The Contrarians Presents: The Value of New Old Music
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- We discuss if there is any value in listening to old music that is new to us.
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I love finding new stuff whether it came out decades ago or this past week.
Love this topic. I remember Martin talking about it awhile back. When you guys mention a band I’ve never heard of, I pause the show and check them out
I'm 50, and it's been a lot of fun "discovering" DEEP PURPLE over the past 2 years. (I know, right?) Two-ish years ago, I'd never rank them among my favourite bands, or rate Ritchie Blackmore at all. Now I love every Mark era, own a bunch of their CDs and DVDs / Blurays (including 'The Ritchie Blackmore Story'), and have some strong opinions on this awesome band.
BöC are the greatest new band in my life
Great band, I can see why you’re getting into them.
A few years back I “discovered” The Small Faces. I had long known about them but more as the 60’s band that The Faces were sort of born out of. When I delved into the Small Faces, I couldn’t believe how great they were and that I didn’t hear there music earlier. In some waysI think it was that they were too quirky British and they never really made it in America. Also, unlike say the Kinks, they never had a second life as an arena rock act in the States.
Great show gentlemen. Great to see Marco on this panel. A band I always heard of but never really listened to over the decades is the Butterfield Blues Band. Man they were phenomenal for the 60's blues, rock. Mike Bloomfield was so awesome. I can see why they influenced so many bands after that.
Some newer bands I have gotten into/ discovered( post 2000) Airborne, The Darkness, Grand Magus. All are from overseas and they sound similar to AC/DC, Queen and Trouble but brought up to date.
I agree with Marco, I have been one to not buy "greatest hits" of bands I'm unfamiliar with. I'd rather find out their "point of entry" album( a good example for me was with Deftones)and then go through their back catalog.
I also try to expand my musical horizons as well since I'm a guitar player by listening to instrumental jazz guitar players like Frank Gambale, Julian Lage etc. Thanks to Rick Beato, SOT and the Contrarians I've gotten into various other bands, musical styles, generas and of course bands I've never heard or heard of.
I agree with Grant as well about the digging for bands I've never heard of from the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's. It's a fun exercise.
thank you 🙏 great points!!
Nowadays i roughly listen to three kinds of music:
1. old bands i (never) heard of and just got into because of youtube or magazines. I mostly buy them as big albums collection cd boxsets or cheap vinyl. I like the music and the history part of it but i never go full deep dive. I play 'm a couple of times and come back to them on occasions. Examples are Y&T, Gamma, Blackfoot, Dio, Angel, Rainbow etc. They may be the real deal but i rarely get an emotional attachment to these bands Just great old stuff.
2. bands from my formative years, mostly late 80's and 90's, who do or do not still release albums. I just get the itch sometimes. Like i just recently i bought Type O Negative's Dead Again on vinyl and now i'm in full Type O modus.
Every year i get these phases where i just immerse myself in those nostalgic bands like Megadeth, Pantera or Maiden. This can also be an older '70's band i discoverd in my youth like Black Sabbath or Thin Lizzy. If they're still making music i mostly check it out or buy it.
3. new music by new post 2000 bands. Like Marco said i love experiencing those bands in real time the most and being able to see them live in their young days. I just love bands like Black Mountain, High on Fire, Elder, Mastodon, Earthless, Spidergawd and many more. It may not be all that original but man it sounds fresh to me. An album like Slift's Ummon from 2020 is so awesome and i don't think there's another record like that. I love the sounds of the latest Big Scenic Nowhere or The Obsessed. And the advanced single from High on Fire's upcoming album is drop dead awesome. And they're coming to my home town this june. How cool is that.
This new music may not be better than many classic albums but they just motivate me more. I spend more money on the new vinyl (and when too expensive on cd) and i just study them. But i must admit that they don't get as much attention as the albums during my formative years. You know, work, a family and all that.
Love Martin's take on stoner. It was pretty much over by Dopethrone.
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The Contrarians + Sea of Tranquility + UA-cam = OMG where did the day go?! 😂
Happens to me all the time 😂😂
Even though it's an old new discovery, I always try to imagine myself back in the time it came out - well, That's if I was alive then 😂
Started listening to a lot of old music thanks to you guys, some of which I had never heard of before. Thats the beauty of this channel! That being said, it’s fun to find a band and watch them grow in real time, whereas finding new old stuff is great, but misses the connection you get with bands you can grow with together.
Having a deep dive into 67-76 prog, folk, heavy. Whatta trip. So far loving ELP, Spirit, Camel, Mahavishnu Orchestra.
Grant's thoughts about being 'cutting edge' are a type of thinking I don't understand. Good music should be good music, regardless of whether or not it's 'original'. There's an argument to be made that those cutting edge bands may actually be worse, because they were throwing stuff against the wall, and plenty of it would fail. The less original bands had a blueprint for what works, so they may actually be better through consistency. Perhaps this is all a consequence of getting bored with what we know, and trying to recapture the feeling when we discovered our favorites... without having to find a new sound to challenge us.
Yup, when I discover 'new' bands/artists nowadays, it's almost exclusively something from the '50s/'60s/'70s... (less from the '80s and beyond). I guess life's too short and there's still tons of music from the past to explore. Heck, I'm nearly fifty but only in recent years have gotten into (early) Queen, Alice Cooper (the band) and Santana. Embarrassing, eh? Other notable acts I've started to listen to only recently are e.g. The Sensational Alex Harvey Band, Spirit, Chicago, Sir Douglas Quintet/Doug Sahm, Jonathan Richman/The Modern Lovers, Mott the Hoople/Ian Hunter. In the case of some of those, thanks at least partly goes to these YT channels like the Contrarians and SOT.
Entity of its own has been the deep dive into black/R&B/soul/blues/funk/New Orleans music of the 1950s-1970s. Whereas Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Wilson Pickett, Howlin' Wolf, Sonny Boy Williamson II, the Meters and Dr. John, for example, have been long time favourites, some 'new' ones now include Donny Hathaway, William Bell, Bobby Womack, Arthur Alexander, Little Willie John, Jackie Wilson, Magic Sam, Professor Longhair, Earl King. I've also bought tons of V/A type of compilation CDs (Rhino, Not Now Music etc.) especially regarding soul/R&B; can't believe how many good soul tunes there exist!!! And many of them nearly unknown...
Anyway, I love to watch music geeks babbling about all kinds of musical issues, so keep on keeping on!
Digging into older music is what has driven me in the past 4 or 5 years. Older by music from before I was born or I was a small child. Especially 1970+
Discovered a whole world of jazz fusion in 2023 and bought so many albums. Also, digging into 70s hard and progressive rock. Early 80s pre-hair metal styled AOR rock. Buying over 30 Frank Zappa albums in a period of a few months. Really something great to explore a career spanning decades in a few months.
Very good subject, Martin. I must say this one has hit me just right. This has been the story of my life for the last five years. This channel and SOT have woke me up to so much music that I either never cared about or never even knew existed. I love the "it's new to me" discovery, and I now have a lengthy catalog to wade through. There is a huge value in going back and discovering old/knew music. Sometimes, you get lucky and find a new top band or artist through this. It can happen. I so much agree with the mention I believe Marco said about the greatest hits package. I would rather do a very extensive dive as well which can be very time consuming. Which leads me to what Grant said, "Time is precious." Which leads me to my moto... So much music, so little time. Thanks a lot guys. I already have one of the worse cases of FOMO when it comes to music. Now, I've really got it. Thank goodness It's Saturday and I have the day off while watching this. I've got what seems like a million albums on my to listen to list. I had better stop watching and commenting on the Contrarians and start spinning compact discs that are on this weekend's list. Good one, guys. And again, thank you.
Started listening to Be Bop Deluxe this week thanks to one of these contrarian vids. Never heard of them,ever. What a band. That 2nd album is killer, the one ive listened to the most so far.
I also discovered them fairly recently. Great band.
Im discovering new and old music all the time. Love music . Good discussion gentlemen
Thanks, appreciate the feedback
Great topic. Recently I’ve got into a lot of “ hair metal “ bands that I knew nothing of but thanks to you tube and discussion channels like this I started buying up albums - Gypsy Rose , Slik Toxik , Jesse Strange , Neverland and a Uk band I had heard of but never listened to Little Angels.
Some bands new to me recently include Japan, The Tar Babies, and Gun (60s). Love finding this stuff...
I have a WAY bigger example than my Melvins or Tears for Fears one. Peter Hammill - love the guy, everything about his constructed world - 29 albums?! And I don't know ANY of them good. met him, got stuff signed, one interview... literally at my age, his catalogue would be enough for my years left.
Same here, I have a lot of his albums, but out of his 21st century work I only have 1 or 2.
Bought a BOC boxset because I never really checked them out. Unbelievably, I never checked them out, but I had heard the hits.
Boxsets are a great way to dive 8th old bands.
This was a great episode! As someone who only listened to new music for a very long time, I finally decided about 5 years ago to start listening to all the music I’ve missed or ignored over the years. Martin mentioned that the benefits of listening to new old music are layered, and I would agree. And now as I’m in my late 40s, I feel more of a connection to others, to the culture at large, and to music in general. I think there are some important factors that have helped me to enjoy discovering new music. 1)Streaming allows me to listen to everything I’ve ever wanted to hear at any time I want. Without that, I never would have purchased older music on physical media out of curiosity. 2)There’s a lot of info online to give me the history or context for the albums/musicians/bands I’m checking out. 3)UA-cam channels and podcasts have provided a lot of enthusiasm for artists they love which gives me the motivation to check them out. The channels I’ve turned to are SOT, Andy Edwards, Rick Beato, Grady Smith (for country music), History in 5 Songs, and (more recently) The Contrarians. Listening to what you all have to say makes me want to listen too. And there’s still so much more to go.
I agree with Paris in some respects. For this old guy, I have to be one part anthropologist in understanding the culture of music at a particular time. Another part archeologist to dig out and discover new/old music. And another part astronomer trying to keep scanning the galaxy for new discoveries. And of course part historian. I am 63 years old and enjoy the newer Japanese hard rock/ metal more than My favorite ols music. Band Maid is has been my favorite band for the last 5 years. The other strange things is that my parents grew up in the 40s and 50s. I actually like a lot of that era now.
Thanks Scott. I totally agree with your observations. Japanese hard rock / metal sounds cool. I’ll have to start digging….
@@parishofrock2963 checkout Band Maid and Unlucky Morpheus. new Japanese hard rock/ metal is a definite robbit hole.. people say rock is dead. It is totally alive. I think that it's not coming from the places that were used to.
I’ve been spending a lot of time over the past couple years with “old” music that I either missed over the years or haven’t really given a solid listen. It’s been a lot of fun!
I don't make a difference between old new music and new new music, both is fun and interesting. And there is something to it to listen to music from the 50s or even 40s to music from last week. And as long as the music is good it doesn't matter whether they are first, tenth or 25-hundredth.
I love the Melvins baby😁
For me, I agree with Parish. Finding new music that your unaware of, or music that you knew but never got into. Only to rediscover it regardless of the year or genre is great. The listening experience isn't based on if somethings old or new. It's based on being musically, lyrically and vacally relatable. And the over all enjoyment the music brings to you. I really enjoyed all the different opinions. Thanks!
Thanks for watching & your comments.
I prefer digging in the past. I bought all three Nuggets boxsets to find bands I hadn't heard before. I love those various artists' boxsets and compilations.
Never was a topic so pertinent for me as this exact one. I am constantly buying new old music, hundreds of albums every year, mainly because of great music podcasts like The Contrarians and Sea of Tranquility, plus a couple of others. Tim Durling of Vinyl Confessions recently inspired me to go get the catalogue of Y&T, which I have now almost completed.
And so on and so forth.
I love discovering new music (old and new) good music is good music. For me music is a vibe thing a mood if you will. I'll go through moods like for a few months I'll be into Surf music and I'll just listen to that then I'll get into a Goth/Post Punk mood it goes on and on. I've found Lunar Funeral a number of months ago its "Stoner" rock/metal whatever, but it has this sound like you'd hear them in a David Lynch Roadhouse they are awesome being from the south (Alabama) I freakin ❤❤❤ the sound of slide guitar especially with heavy reverb. I went 4 months listening to nothing but Alice Cooper I'd just watched one of those Metal Mythos on Alice Cooper by Razorfist (The Rageaholic channel on UA-cam) so I got heavy into the Coop. It inspired me listen to his whole discography and fell in love with Pretties For You somehow I'd avoided the first two and his "blackout" era. I grew up on Billion Dollar Babies, Schools Out my era of the Coop was Raise Your Fist to Hey Stoopid. I also dig Viking music and found this solo artist DANHEIM y'all he is AWESOME. I enjpy finding new music regardless of when its made. I use to be the one that thought new music sucked I'm finding some pretty cool shit.... SLOTH is another Stoner Rock band they sound like a combination of Black Sabbath and Alice In Chains.... anyways I really dig this channel along with SoT and Grant's Rock Warehaus.
You can't "Literally" take a canvas & apply it in that context, Martin. You're saying that you're actually taking a canvas and physically applying musical paint unmetaphorically. You keep using it wrong all the time; and in this particular instance it's utterly ludicrous, especially for a man of @60. And more particularly, a man who is considered to be a "writer". Being one myself, that absolutely irks me. STOP using that word as if you never took an English class, or as a fashionable trending phrase so as to connect to one's peers. You are not 13.
I kinda love them equally. I am always checking new stuff out to discover new favorites, but I'm also always digging into old stuff that I don't know well. Love getting into an older artist catalog and discover it.
i buy new cds but i agree that there’s a ton of new old stuff for me to explore
this episode made me write down several bands & cds to look up
This conversation I’ve had with old friends. Do you like the Bolshoi? Did you like Comsat Angels? The House of Love? There really is only so much attention you can give, even as a kid. I’d see Bolshoi shirts but I never cared cuz I didn’t know people who liked them and no money to waste. and you’re spot on about a five year window 82 to 87 is my window but kids I thought were cool were 4 to 5 years older had BOC shirts so I still find the late sentries interesting cuz it was just out of reach.
New old bands I have checked out Bauhaus and Clan of Xymox. Never looked into Goth in my younger years.
For Macabre, it's probably better to start with Murder Metal which is pretty much a mid point from what came before and where they went next. Personally, I think that's their last actually good album, but it's definitely a turning point and more friendly for a new listener. My favorite at this point is probably Sinister Slaughter with Dahmer a close second, but it changes all the time with their earlier stuff.
I started with Grim Scary Tales as it was the least expensive CD on Amazon to buy and enjoy it but checked out that one you mentioned and love it and will be getting it soon. Thanks for watching
@@TheElderofRock-dz4zg Great to hear that. I hope you enjoy the rest of their discography as well but even if it stops at that, I consider my job done, haha.
If I discover a new band, I am probably one of tens of thousands enjoying that discovery.
If I explore or discover an old band that I had never heard of, I may be the only person doing that exploration. I find pleasure in that
And you can be the one that tells others about that band. And that band's music gets a new lease of life!
For me, I am discovering (and rediscovering) old bands I knew about, didnt have the Money to buy as a kid/teen to get whatever, or didnt buy for x reason... I am not a fan (to a point) of discovering NEW music... I am having much more fun discovering/buying old Hair Metal/Hard rock in the last decade or so... For example, I knew of BOC all my life, but was considered a Joke in my teen years (I blame the Police Academy movie and being a dumb teen for this) and in the last 2 years I was like "wow! This band is amazing!!!"... I cant say the same for newer music... best new/old discovery I made!
Melvins, Fu Manchu,Boris, Kyuss/Mondo Generator/Vista Chino/Brant Bjork . .
great show
thank you!! 🙏
I missed Oasis, Fountains of Wayne, Blink 182, Bowling for Soup, Mathew Sweet because I never payed attention to power pop, but i am loving these artists now. It helps me diversify my collection and makes me want to search for more new music. Love this show snd your channel. I'm thinking of starting my own channel so once I build some folkowers I'd love to have some of you on the show even though my knowledge of music and my collection pales in comparison to you guys.
Shoutout to Parish for bringing up Sum 41 - I've been doing a discography deepdive of them on my channel!
I tend to view bands like trees. I have a core of bands I love, and I branch off from those and look at things like: side projects, their contemporaries, rivals, those they’ve influenced/were influenced by. Hence, I find more enjoyment in finding new “old” music. Sometimes I take that into today and look at new bands that share commonalities with old ones.
If it is new to me, then it is new no matter what year it was recorded. So far, finding good new 'old' music is much easier than actual new music thanks to UA-cam. Back in the day, the radio was my best source for new music, and radio sucked !
New music to you is new music. I think discovering new bands now is important in that the new bands need to be encouraged or no bands will ever reach their potential. If everyone just listens to old stuff its not really helping the old obscure bands or if they are big name bands, they already rich and dont really need the extra buck.
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Not only is there a lot of received wisdom to use as guidance to new-to-you older bands, but when you listen to an older album and like it, these days, within thirty seconds you can be listening to the next one by that band. If you hear a brand new album you like, you might have to wait three years for the next one!
Is it just me or does Tom Curless really bear a resemblance with (Better Call) Saul.
I have always been getting into old bands. In some cases they were new bands and was not into them, and years later I get it.
Martin got me reminded of the still running Small Stone label
Genesis! I'm 50 years too late in discovering the brilliance of Hackett era Genesis.
That's happening to me as well
Way bigger enjoyment in discovering the old stuff. Not putting the new down but I honestly don't hear much newness in what they do. Consciously or not they sound planned and designed and similar to everything, they lack personality. Again, that's an overall appreciation, there's always some jewels out there.
That's why you need to drop Spotify Martin 😅
Also, the retirement bands plan is fantastic. I got a good stash