If I remember right, Cliff wrote a version of the Riff, then Jason reworked it and then the other guys took Jason’s work and made the song almost without Bass sounds
@@elroyblackbean Virtually every snare hit is identical. The whole album is like this. The engineer said there are millions of splices and edits on just the drums. So much so that the original isos are probably useless after all these years. The tape splicing is Grade A.
The description mentions that Lars drums begin at 0:37. It's my obligation to clarify that it's not Lars' drums which begin, but rather the composition of multiple drums takes put together by famous engineer/mixer Steve Thompson. You see, by saying Lars' drums, one may assume that Lars did a continuous take, like normal drummers would do in the studio. In the case of Lars however, he plays chunks of the song dozens of times, until he comes up with a decent take. Then all those good takes are combined to make up a drum mix. This is not me saying this, this is directly from Steve Thompson himself, who used "hundreds of tapes" to mix the drums of Justice.
Lmao this is irrelevant as Lars has played this live. Watch Seattle 89. Your attempt at discrediting him is laughable at best. Piecing things together in the studio is something fairly common I believe and it’s done to get the absolute best parts.
@@willharry6835Well, why don't you learn what mixer Steve Thompson, you know, the MIXER of the freaking record, has to say about working with Lars? Cause it ain't pretty holmes. It ain't pretty I tell you!
@@willharry6835 Thank you. I'm not saying Lars is the greatest drummer who ever lived, or even the greatest metal drummer, but it's as though people have dedicated their lives to trashing the man.
@@ericcarterofthehillpeople Lots of people on the internet like bashing him and it’s honestly really puzzling. Obviously there’s way better drummers out there from a techno standpoint, but Lars in his prime during the 80s, was truly one of the very best imo. I seriously believe that in the 80s Lars could go toe to toe with a guy like Dave Lombardo in terms of thrash metal drumming. People just need to watch his live performances in Canada 1986 and/or Seattle 1989. Obviously he’s seriously declined since then, but to act like Lars was a complete scrub, is definitely being disingenuous.
Someone else already mentioned what I was thinking that hes played this song lots of times live in concert so he clearly is capable of playing what we hear on the album right? Whether you like him or not doesn't really matter. Everyone will have their own opinions which is fine. I think Lars is awesome when it comes to that heavy double bass drum action! 🤯🤘🥁
One of the greatest metal bands of all time. This “mediocre drummer” has lived the life of his dreams and hundreds of millions of people listen to his band and still go his concerts.
i hate how your always coy about how you get these drum multitracks. it's misleading. audacity doesn't many anything without having access to the actual solo'd drum multitracks. just be honest for fuck's sake and understand what people are asking. how do you get these multitracks bc it's not software that allows you to get these isolated tracks.
They're from rock band, the game. This song, And Justice for All and Ride the Lightning were DLC for the first game. The stems were posted on the internet probably over a decade ago.
aaronrus you get the multi tracks from guitar hero or rock band but if you want to find the audio tracks easily you can go here docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13B823ukxdVMocowo1s5XnT3tzciOfruhUVePENKc01o/htmlview?pru=AAABc35YWNs*R1X8P3c8FuILgTQPES-FkA#gid=0
Can anyone explain IN PARTICULAR why Lars’ playing is that bad as thousands of people say? What defines a good drummer, sound, etc? Honestly I have no idea in music theory, I just come here to enjoy what I enjoy and seeing others hate so hard on this all makes me just lost.
EJ22 as I was told, and I agree, Metallica is riff drivin instead of drum drivin...... metallica is the riff masters of the universe, Lars let’s the riff drive the music and he’s just the time keeper.
There is/was NOTHING wrong with Lars' drumming - he just became the victim of haters due to his Napster law suit. He fought against pirating music - and lost a battle that could not be won. There was an agreement, or whatever. And then thousands, if not millions of people suddenly started hating him, and claimed he couldn't play drums, nothing more about it. But of course, Lars is one Hell of a drummer, proved himself throughout the decades.
@@MeBallerman people say, that lars is a bad drummer, because he changes the tempo all the time when they are playing live. Usually a good drummer holds the tempo, while Lars goes faster or slower in some parts. And uses too much fills where they dont belong.
As a fellow drummer ..he can be really lazy...he isn't some amazing great drummer but this album was his best imo n I saw a quote from him saying people think you need to be in a drum olympics or something to be good..n you def don't...he fits Metallica n the songs great n that's all that matters
People jump on bandwagons everyday of the week. Mostly losers who are bitter about their place in life and or elitist snobs who think they're superior for "reasons". Lars isn't the worlds best drummer but was pretty solid and was instrumental when it came to song arrangements. Also a very intelligent business man. Metallica wouldn't likely have become as successful without him making decisions and pushing the band.
People that hate on Lars are 100% wannabes that can't play and that's all they got left to do is hate on someone that can outplay them a million times over think about it.
Lars is a great drummer… but. He should practice more and this drum fills in the and just for all album is prove that if he works on that he can beat any other drummer
Lars gets all the hate because of Napster. Yes, he gets sloppy playing live. He's been playing the same songs for 40 years. This band tours more than just about anyone. Who wouldn't change it up a little? Lars is a bit of a d-bag, but, Metallica's drummer is awesome.
i just don't get what all the fuss is with lars ulrich, when I think of awesome drummers I don't include Mr. Ulrich in that group, this just further strengthens my opinion....... mediocre fills, sloppy double kick work, horrible sounding kit & cymbals (I'm assuming this is pre-effects put on) and just no groove at all.UGH!! I'll stick with true, actual talented artists like Gavin Harrison, Terry Bozzio, Stewart Copeland, Chad Wackerman, Marco Minneman and so many others too numerous to mention.
@@akadkins69 are you serious? you never heard of stewart copeland(the police)gavin harrison(porcupine tree,king crimson) or terry bozzio (missing persons,frank zappa,UK)..... you really need to check all these players out, especially gavin harrison, he's all over UA-cam and absolutely the finest drummer alive today. other players to check out would be carl palmer,bill bruford,Pat mastelatto and vinnie coliuto..... don't know if you're only into metal but if not I think you will be impressed .
@@JoeyBrunoMusicArchives thanks Joseph, i will check those guys out.. some of my personal favorite drummers are of course, tommy lee, Nicko mcbrain, dave grohl, ans most definitely sean Kinney 🤟
@@plazima I would listen to it again It’s very sloppy when it’s isolated. In the full track with all the other instruments it blends well which at the end of the day is fine cause it works but his Kick patterns are not tight Even if you slow it down you’ll here that his foot drags
@@3xplisit that’s not sloppiness it’s a kick pattern, if you listen to dyers eve drums only you will hear the same thing. If that is unbelievable for you heres a different prospective, Lars recorded 100+ takes for each part of the song so it wouldn’t make sense for every part of the drums to be imperfect
@@plazima dude it’s sloppy i don’t know what to tell ya lmao Watch or listen to anyone else cover it and you’ll here the difference A swing kick pattern can still be consistent and tight You can hear him anticipate the next beat and it sounds a little off But at the end of the day it doesn’t matter cause it sat well in the mix It’s just jarring hearing it isolated like that
Drums only playlist - ua-cam.com/play/PLTOh4tBW15HLPdzQioQAZamVYSLAbE30g.html
This is an awesome isolation of the drums and bass guitar!
This has more bass guitar than the final album mix.
🤣
If I remember right, Cliff wrote a version of the Riff, then Jason reworked it and then the other guys took Jason’s work and made the song almost without Bass sounds
@@someone-ro4kg jason wrote this riff
@@someone-ro4kg that's absolutly not how it was 😂
@@Fartinhalerr rewrote if I ain’t wrong
4:04 One of Lars' genuinely well-written and played fills.
I also had to wait 4 mins to desperately find one
Back in the day he was the man. Great job..
Lars Ulrich, the Benjamin Button of drumming.
Yea, I agree. He's an old man now but still plays like a child!
First you should try to play like he did and then do some trash talk if you really need to...
Yep. He played with alot of professionalism and finesse in the early years and as time went by that slowly diminished.
@@russkate88
Because he just stopped practicing. Cocaine is hell of a drug.
Its crazy how stitched together these songs were. you hear it in the isos
Still less than now where you can snap to grid and add/subtract individual hits vs piecing together diff sections.
I believe you, but I'm listening and can't hear them. Can you point out any glaringly obvious spots?
@@elroyblackbean Virtually every snare hit is identical. The whole album is like this. The engineer said there are millions of splices and edits on just the drums. So much so that the original isos are probably useless after all these years. The tape splicing is Grade A.
@@Pilot_the_Dune Well, to be fair, the snare hits are usually replaced by or blended with samples on metal recordings.
@Den Svarta Stjärnan Yeah. I do it. Back then it was all done on tape. The amount of cuts is crazy.
clearly can hear flams on the kick during the bridges , kick pattern: flam, single, double, single .... love the justice album
The description mentions that Lars drums begin at 0:37. It's my obligation to clarify that it's not Lars' drums which begin, but rather the composition of multiple drums takes put together by famous engineer/mixer Steve Thompson. You see, by saying Lars' drums, one may assume that Lars did a continuous take, like normal drummers would do in the studio. In the case of Lars however, he plays chunks of the song dozens of times, until he comes up with a decent take. Then all those good takes are combined to make up a drum mix. This is not me saying this, this is directly from Steve Thompson himself, who used "hundreds of tapes" to mix the drums of Justice.
Lmao this is irrelevant as Lars has played this live. Watch Seattle 89. Your attempt at discrediting him is laughable at best. Piecing things together in the studio is something fairly common I believe and it’s done to get the absolute best parts.
@@willharry6835Well, why don't you learn what mixer Steve Thompson, you know, the MIXER of the freaking record, has to say about working with Lars? Cause it ain't pretty holmes. It ain't pretty I tell you!
@@willharry6835 Thank you. I'm not saying Lars is the greatest drummer who ever lived, or even the greatest metal drummer, but it's as though people have dedicated their lives to trashing the man.
@@ericcarterofthehillpeople Lots of people on the internet like bashing him and it’s honestly really puzzling. Obviously there’s way better drummers out there from a techno standpoint, but Lars in his prime during the 80s, was truly one of the very best imo.
I seriously believe that in the 80s Lars could go toe to toe with a guy like Dave Lombardo in terms of thrash metal drumming. People just need to watch his live performances in Canada 1986 and/or Seattle 1989. Obviously he’s seriously declined since then, but to act like Lars was a complete scrub, is definitely being disingenuous.
Someone else already mentioned what I was thinking that hes played this song lots of times live in concert so he clearly is capable of playing what we hear on the album right? Whether you like him or not doesn't really matter. Everyone will have their own opinions which is fine. I think Lars is awesome when it comes to that heavy double bass drum action! 🤯🤘🥁
Fits the song. Thats what matters.
He sucks
@@jksvana your life sucks😂
@@MaxCavaleraification Aww
"We'll fix it in post"
Lars' excuse for everything.
Oh man that's so cool please teach me how to isolate tracks
1:38 - 1:44, wtf is going in with bass drum?
I present to you... *Lars Ulrich*
@@WishMount but it sounds good tho doesn't it?
@@attempt58 yeah it’s alright, it’s in time
If you hear It with guitars the Kick drum has coherence.
Pure talent is what's going on with the bass drum.
its funny how none of the peeps here hating on Lars have a hit record of their own
^I've found Lars's mum
Black sabbath - War pigs drum only. Isolated drum track
2:33
Wow
@@lutz_5855 lol im marking all of these to steal as samples haha
Вещь!))
А то ))
Tbh if I was an awesome drummer in a great band then got megabucks later in the career I would probably not give a shit about practicing too.
Then you don't belong there, and neither does he.
Yeah
He was never an awesome drummer
@@shaynewest8757 Exactly.
@shaynewest8757 this drum track and his live drumming in the eighties clearly proves otherwise.
Yeeaahh !
One of the greatest metal bands of all time. This “mediocre drummer” has lived the life of his dreams and hundreds of millions of people listen to his band and still go his concerts.
Put the at video 2X speed and tell me what you think worse or better 😊
What ws the editor used to isolate the track ?
Can it be done to any song? any format? I`d like to hear so many diff things from them...
I do not isolate the tracks. I use multitracks. Any audio editor is suitable for mixing. I use Audacity.
i hate how your always coy about how you get these drum multitracks. it's misleading. audacity doesn't many anything without having access to the actual solo'd drum multitracks. just be honest for fuck's sake and understand what people are asking. how do you get these multitracks bc it's not software that allows you to get these isolated tracks.
@@THEESHITSHOW he literally said he does not isolate the tracks, which means he has to take them from elsewhere
They're from rock band, the game. This song, And Justice for All and Ride the Lightning were DLC for the first game. The stems were posted on the internet probably over a decade ago.
not the seperated stems like thisl, only the mixed drumtrack@@DriftKingfromTekken3
where did you get the indivdual drum tracks? this looks like more than a stereo mix, looks liek you have separate snare / kick/ toms, etc
I have a multitrack: bass, drums, guitars and vocal.
aaronrus you get the multi tracks from guitar hero or rock band but if you want to find the audio tracks easily you can go here docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13B823ukxdVMocowo1s5XnT3tzciOfruhUVePENKc01o/htmlview?pru=AAABc35YWNs*R1X8P3c8FuILgTQPES-FkA#gid=0
Fucking master Lars! 🤘🤘🤘
Where did you get this??
🤘🏻
Can anyone explain IN PARTICULAR why Lars’ playing is that bad as thousands of people say?
What defines a good drummer, sound, etc?
Honestly I have no idea in music theory, I just come here to enjoy what I enjoy and seeing others hate so hard on this all makes me just lost.
EJ22 as I was told, and I agree, Metallica is riff drivin instead of drum drivin...... metallica is the riff masters of the universe, Lars let’s the riff drive the music and he’s just the time keeper.
There is/was NOTHING wrong with Lars' drumming - he just became the victim of haters due to his Napster law suit. He fought against pirating music - and lost a battle that could not be won. There was an agreement, or whatever. And then thousands, if not millions of people suddenly started hating him, and claimed he couldn't play drums, nothing more about it. But of course, Lars is one Hell of a drummer, proved himself throughout the decades.
@@MeBallerman people say, that lars is a bad drummer, because he changes the tempo all the time when they are playing live. Usually a good drummer holds the tempo, while Lars goes faster or slower in some parts. And uses too much fills where they dont belong.
As a fellow drummer ..he can be really lazy...he isn't some amazing great drummer but this album was his best imo n I saw a quote from him saying people think you need to be in a drum olympics or something to be good..n you def don't...he fits Metallica n the songs great n that's all that matters
People jump on bandwagons everyday of the week. Mostly losers who are bitter about their place in life and or elitist snobs who think they're superior for "reasons". Lars isn't the worlds best drummer but was pretty solid and was instrumental when it came to song arrangements. Also a very intelligent business man. Metallica wouldn't likely have become as successful without him making decisions and pushing the band.
People that hate on Lars are 100% wannabes that can't play and that's all they got left to do is hate on someone that can outplay them a million times over think about it.
Why doesn't it sound like the album? The kick doesn't sound NEARLY as clicky as it does on the album!
Not my proudest fap...
But one of the most enjoyable hahaah
It’s kinda sloppy at times. He changes the tempo sometimes. Put this drum part is well written honestly.
Lars is a great drummer… but. He should practice more and this drum fills in the and just for all album is prove that if he works on that he can beat any other drummer
God why expose Lars like that? This is plain bullying.
Don't see what's so bad about this track.
Lars gets all the hate because of Napster. Yes, he gets sloppy playing live. He's been playing the same songs for 40 years. This band tours more than just about anyone. Who wouldn't change it up a little? Lars is a bit of a d-bag, but, Metallica's drummer is awesome.
Man, those trigger kicks are a mess... Wince-worthy. Poor guy!
they arent triggers lol
He's playing double kick drum triplets. You just don't understand the rhythm he's executing.
Meh!!!
i just don't get what all the fuss is with lars ulrich, when I think of awesome drummers I don't include Mr. Ulrich in that group, this just further strengthens my opinion....... mediocre fills, sloppy double kick work, horrible sounding kit & cymbals (I'm assuming this is pre-effects put on) and just no groove at all.UGH!! I'll stick with true, actual talented artists like Gavin Harrison, Terry Bozzio, Stewart Copeland, Chad Wackerman, Marco Minneman and so many others too numerous to mention.
never heard of any of those guys, and i am a drummer!
@@akadkins69 are you serious? you never heard of stewart copeland(the police)gavin harrison(porcupine tree,king crimson) or terry bozzio (missing persons,frank zappa,UK)..... you really need to check all these players out, especially gavin harrison, he's all over UA-cam and absolutely the finest drummer alive today. other players to check out would be carl palmer,bill bruford,Pat mastelatto and vinnie coliuto..... don't know if you're only into metal but if not I think you will be impressed .
@@JoeyBrunoMusicArchives thanks Joseph, i will check those guys out.. some of my personal favorite drummers are of course, tommy lee, Nicko mcbrain, dave grohl, ans most definitely sean Kinney 🤟
@@akadkins69 never heard of Sean Kenny who has he played with? and of course I love niko,dave grohl and other hard rock/metal drummers!!
@@JoeyBrunoMusicArchives sean Kinney is the long time drummer for my all time favorite band "Alice in Chains "
Damn I never noticed how sloppy his kick pattern is for the main riff
Lars added energy, same as kerry kings and Jeff hanneman sloppy playing on reign in blood
Not sloppy but ok
@@plazima I would listen to it again
It’s very sloppy when it’s isolated. In the full track with all the other instruments it blends well which at the end of the day is fine cause it works but his Kick patterns are not tight
Even if you slow it down you’ll here that his foot drags
@@3xplisit that’s not sloppiness it’s a kick pattern, if you listen to dyers eve drums only you will hear the same thing.
If that is unbelievable for you heres a different prospective, Lars recorded 100+ takes for each part of the song so it wouldn’t make sense for every part of the drums to be imperfect
@@plazima dude it’s sloppy i don’t know what to tell ya lmao
Watch or listen to anyone else cover it and you’ll here the difference
A swing kick pattern can still be consistent and tight
You can hear him anticipate the next beat and it sounds a little off
But at the end of the day it doesn’t matter cause it sat well in the mix
It’s just jarring hearing it isolated like that