Rod, I was already a Heartlander from a few videos I’ve seen from you, Neville, and Wayne May. But this video CLINCHED it. There is no doubt in my mind now. The Nephites lived in North America!
Rod, you are one of the most underrated voices of reason I’ve encountered! Thanks for all your hard work. For over 10 years, you have bolstered my testimony of the Book of Mormon and the restoration.
Thanks, Brother Meldrum. You have presented a huge amount of compelling evidence. I tend to favor the North America model. It makes more sense. Joseph Smith said the Nephites lived in North America, therefore, the Nephites lived in North America. Whether or not they lived elsewhere no one really knows.
Yes, Nephites traveled North from Mesoamerica in the boats of Hagoth and on foot with others. Up to where there were no major earthquakes, especially the farther North you go, the exact opposite of what The Book Of Mormon describes. And where there are no mountains, let alone great mountains where Heartlanders place the Nephites, while The Book Of Mormon says a Nephite city was buried under a great mountain in about the space of an hour. And no depths of the sea, or even any water with depths in North America. Nor did he mention that no traces of Peccaries are found anywhere near Book Of Mormon times, and that Bighorn Sheep and Mountain Goats are only found in the Rocky Mountains, never East of them. Nor did he mention that Horse remains were found among the Mayan remains in Mexico dating to within a few years of the dates that Horses are mentioned in The Book Of Mormon, while in North America, in the Southwest, the closest you get is barley in Jaredites times. But the worst was him using Trinitarian methods of changing the meaning of words to force them to agree instead of contradict their theories. Beasts of Prey, like Birds of Prey, have always meant meat eaters, NOT those who are eaten. And with eating raw meat and eating blood, were to show that they weren't keeping the law of Moses. This is one of the poorest excuses of research I have seen. He knowingly lies to support his unsupportable model. And he keeps saying arrows, when the bow and arrow came after the Hopewell, all those points he mentioned are spears, or small spears cast using Atlatls, which are sometimes called arrows. Now with all the plowing and construction, if there were older arrows that were shot with a bow, they would have been found, while in Mesoamerica almost no Archeological work has been done, seeing most of the land is covered in Jungle, so it's very likely bows and arrows will be found there along with the Atlatls and swords and who knows what else. Only recently has it been discovered that there are major extensive highways where carts and chariots would be practical, unlike North America. And while they're still coming up with elaborate explanation for why no snow or horses dating to the correct time, or any writing, on stone, metal or anything else dating to Book Of Mormon times, those in Mesoamerica are lining up Mayan history and culture with specific events and people in The Book Of Mormon with much details. And it never says that Zarahemlah is the Zarahemlah, it only says to place the name of Zarahemlah on the city. Just like cities in Utah were given Book Of Mormon and Bible names.
@@bartonbagnes4605 Very good and correct you are. And may I add; it was Joseph, who first claimed and published Zarahemla was in Central America, not modern-day scholars. Joseph actually published and declared an 'important fact' in 1842, in the church paper that he personally was editor of, that Zarahemla, the one burnt at the Savior's crucifixion, was in fact in Central America. What Barabra and heartlanders need to remember is Central America is part of the North American continent, and that according to the narrative of the Book of Mormon, Nephites indeed covered the whole face of the continent wherever habitable. As mentioned by Barton, the verses in Alma 63 & Helaman 3, tell us that many tens of thousands of Nephites, over decades, and long before Christ was born, had left the land of Zarahemla and Bountiful to migrate to the choice land in the north country as mentioned in the Jaredite record that Mosiah translated. The latter of these migrating groups of Nephites, had to travel such an exceedingly great distance north to find unsettled land for their own inheritances, that they discovered large bodies of water, bodies of water that were not considered seas by the Nephites as they had crossed a sea and knew the difference; nor were these large bodies of water called seas by Mormon, the author of the Book, as he also knew the difference. He knew what seas were and had used the term in referencing actual seas, such as the one the Nephites crossed to get to the north country. Plain and simple, these migrating Nephites had discovered the Great Lakes and settled the Ohio region all around the lakes, including Michigan etc. When reading these verses people need to remember, as the Book states, that these Nephites left from and traveled an exceedingly great distance away from Zarahemla and Bountiful the main lands where the Book of Mormon takes place, thus these migrating Nephites left the main Book of Mormon lands and went north to the choice land of the Jaredites, aka the "heartland" of the North American continent. When and if people ever discover Nephite evidence, anywhere on the continent, it only collaborates with the narrative of the Book which says thousands of Nephites left the region of Zarahemla/Bountiful and spread all over the continent, no surprise. So yes, Joseph was accurate and could say he walked the plains of Nephites. However, it wasn't the plains of the Nephites in Zarahemla, nor Bountiful. Joseph doesn't say he walked the plains of Zarahemla, nor the plains of Bountiful, why because he knew he hadn't, because he knew Zarahemla was in the south region of the continent, in Central America, as he published in 1842. It all fits. People also need to keep in mind, per the Book's narrative, that the New Jerusalem to be built in the choice-land of the Jaredites, will be located north of Zarahemla, not west, south, or southwest of it. Since Joseph tells us the New Jerusalem will be built at Independence, MO, that means Zarahemla, the one burnt at the Savior's crucifixion was not in Iowa, plain and simple. However, as Joseph published, with Zarahemla in Central America, then Independence is perfectly located north of Zarahemla where it is supposed to be per the Book's narrative; it all fits plainly as Mormon and Joseph describe; no misinformation, conjecturing, speculating, or mental gymnastics is required. One more point, since the narrative of the Book describes the narrow neck of land as being near Zarahemla; if any of the narrow strips of land between any of the Great Lakes is the Book of Mormon narrow neck of land; and if any of the Great Lakes is the "sea" that many thousands of Nephites sailed north across to get to the choice land of the Jaredites, where the New Jerusalem will be built; where would that place the New Jerusalem, Canada?? The thought makes reason stare.
@@bartonbagnes4605 Agree with what you said concerning Meldrum’s poor documentation & trying to make the square peg fit in a round hole. Though we’ve far to go bc of jungle mass as you pointed out, this mostly occurs in Central & South America. Mexico HAS DONE tons of arqueological work through UNIVERSIDAD NACIONAL AUTONOMA de MEXICO (UNAM) & most notably INSTITUTO NACIONAL DE ARQUEOLOGIA Y HISTORIA (INAH), the first arqueological university in the Americas and one of the best in the world. Though huge jungle areas have note been excavated we do know there are hundreds & hundreds of pyramids & cities that lie underneath the jungles. But Many, many sites such as Teotihuacan, Chichen Itza, Tulum, Palenque, etc., have been excavated & studied extensively including their alignment with the stars & zenotes. www.inah.com to see the museum. Thank you, Pure Lehite🇲🇽
Hagoth left and sailed north, which is physically impossible in the Mesoamerica models as they would have set sail on the west coast of Mesoamerica and that coast bends northwest until it goes directly west for hundreds of miles. In order to go north, you'll need a wagon, not a ship, because you run directly into land. Based on your outdated and uninformed comments, it would appear you know nothing of the Heartland research that has now been available for some 15 years. We suggest becoming informed before demonstrating your ignorance of the Heartland geography model.
No cities in Utah with Book of Mormon names were given by the Lord through revelation. Big difference. The simple answer is that the called it Zarahemla in D&C 225:3 because it was Zarahemla. Pretty straightforward unless you prefer to strain at it in order to justify a Mesoamerica setting.
Then you will surely want to google, Times and Season March 1, 1842 open it, pan over to page 710 and read that Joseph says he stands alone responsible for the publican and all papers having his signature henseforth. And signs it Joseph Smith. Notice he says he is responsible for all papers bearing his signatures, not just articles bearing his signature, but the whole paper. Then pan to page 718 to see his signature block that he has printed on each edition under his supervision going forward. This is also a good place to mention that Joseph's assistant editors are John Taylor & Wilford Woodruff (both apostles at the time, and both would become Presidents of the Church, not apostates like others). That's three powerful and impressive witnesses publishing the church's paper in 1842. Now google Times and Seasons October 1, 1842 Zarahemla, open the proper labled link and start reading the front page of this edition, which is entitled Zarahemla! When you're done reading the 'important fact', pan over to page 942 and behold Joseph's signature block on this paper as he promised he would do for all papers under his supervision. Joseph never corrected, refuted, or retracted the publication of the important fact that Zarahelma was in Central America, because Joseph is the one who published it as editor. Joseph is fully responsible for this publication. Now before you run off and conjecture up some misinformation that Joseph had fled the area of Nauvoo, please read page 941, where the editor, in the same edition, as the Zarahemla important fact, addresses the conspiring notion that "Joe Smith" had fled the area and is headed to Canada as published by another paper of the area. Rather you want to admit it or not, per his promise, Joseph was very much still in charge and still responsible for the paper. Also, notice that the editors clarify the Zarahemla as the one burnt at the Savior's crucifixion. Why the clarification; isn't there only one Zarahemla the saints were familiar with?? (answer is no, as the saints had built a town in Iowa across the river from Nauvoo and named it Zarahemla, per the Lord's directions. but don't fret, this is a common practice, ex: the Nephites named cities after previous cities and places such as Jerusalem, or Bountiful, etc. Did you even know that the Nephites built a city in the new world and named it Jerusalem; we're not talking about the New Jerusalem to be built one day; but another city named Jerusalem which was destroyed and covered with water at the Savior's crucifixion, see 3 Nephi 9:7, most people don't even realize that and gloss right over it). All of Joseph's other comments about walking plains of the Nephites, zelph, etc are also all accurate and collaborate the Book of Mormon narrative. See Alma 63, Helaman 3. It all fits! Nephites spread and covered the face of the whole continent wherever it was habitable, long before Christ was born. Don't forget, according to the Book of Mormon narrative, wherever Zarahemla is, New Jerusalem will be northward of it, not westward, nor southward, nor southwestward. According to the Book of Mormon narrative and Joseph statements, the Book of Mormon Zarahemla is not in Iowa. But don't worry, the New Jerusalem will be in the heartland for sure. To all readers, the Book of Mormon is true! The message of the Book is a testament of Jesus Christ and His teachings. A sure testimony of the Book of Mormon only comes by the Spirit, and not by worldly means or proofs. Take care.
19:38 Elite soldiers of Mesoamerica belonged to the Jaguar and Eagle Military Orders. They were the "Navy Seals" of their day. They went to war elaborately dressed as these top predators. "Fought like lions for their prey" is more than figurative speech if applied to them. The Aztecs ate their enemies too. So there's that.
@@BookofMormonEvidence And there aren't lions in the Americas (I consider "mountain lion" an anachronistic fluke of English that doesn't appear in writing until 1858). My point is we need to be generous in our understanding of (living and dead) languages and how they are translated and used literally and figuratively across millennia by people from cultures that often have little or nothing in common to refer to ideas and concepts that are understood in radically different ways.
Rod, Caribou are also migratory beasts. There would be plenty of those too in the Jaredite timeline. Especially being the ice was further south at that time. Pretty sure woodland species migrate to some degree as well although nowhere near the Tundra herds.
First part of the video Literally describes the American Indians, living in tents, hunting animals, living off the land. Mayans and Aztecs were much more industrious with cities and irrigation and farming.
And major highways and writing on stone and metal and other materials, like The Book Of Mormon says. But it's not like you fi... Oh right, yes you do find those in Mesoamerica. As well as a history that lines up event for event and cultural practices found in The Book Of Mormon.
@@JakeBlaneyThat would be the Olmecs who are the Jaredites. The Mayan are the Nephites and Lamanites. The Aztecs didn't arrive in the area from the North until the 1200s A.D. The Pre-Classic Mayan period matches Book Of Mormon timeframe perfectly, starting about 600B.C. and ending about 425A.D., when the first Mayan King came to power, though they claimed descent and the right to rule from kings generations before.
From Webster's 1828 Dictionary: Beast of prey is a carnivorous animal; one that feeds on the flesh of other animals. The word is applied to the larger animals, as lions, tigers, hawks, vultures, etc. rather than to insects; yet an insect feeding on other insects may be called an animal of prey.
The question is whether the Nephites meant the beasts of prey themselves, or were they referring to the animals the beasts of prey were praying upon? It would seem more likely they would eat the beasts that the predators were praying upon than the predators themselves. Bison vs wolf meat? You choose.
I don't know what video you were watching. This one is full of errors. And the way he changed the meaning of Bests of Prey from its one and only meaning ever, because it contradicted his narrative. Just like Trinitarians added new definitions to Elohim and Theos, just so they wouldn't have men being called Gods by the Father and Jesus Christ. Changing the scriptures to fit their narratives instead of changing their narratives to fit the scriptures. Shameful.
My understanding was that the Mammoth and Mastodons that have been found do not date to the time of the Book of Mormon. Is this correct? If there are some that have dated to the Book of Mormon what are your sources?
There have been mammoth bones found with Native American arrow or spear heads embedded in them. See the Kimmswick site or Mastodon State Park in Missouri for more details. Also, remember that the Nephites never mention the elephants, they were only mentioned by the Jaredites, who may have hunted them to extinction. There are also three Hopewell pipes that are clearly in the form and shape of an elephant.
The nemenhah records (book, second complete edition) clearly state they had horses and what happened to them. I believe the native Americans on this issue.
I tend to believe Native Americans before modern American Archaeologists with subversive motives! They have hidden much and destroyed a lot of proof. Both of giant humans and evidence for ancient Egyptian visitors [Joseph of Egypt]? This land was given to him after all. Good stuff, just need to dig some!
Mr Rod Meldrum, you got lazy on horses, and elephants, didn't show any peer review journals or studies that date the horses or elephants to Book of Mormon times, and one more thing, why don't you do an up date with new information of the DNA EVIDENCE FOR THE BOOK OF MORMON GEOGRAPHY (Hyplogroup X), and why did you take that video out of youtube????
It was a podcast, not a reference book. There are several examples of elephants with spear heads in association with their bones. The fact that ancient people were hunting them is accepted as scientific fact. The question then becomes one of dating. The Nephites never mentioned elephants. Only the earlier Jaredites. Watch the video to learn more about the horses.
I never put it up on UA-cam, but only out on DVD. Someone else put it up and apparently decided to take it down. I replaced the presentation with The American Promised Land Covenant DVD after many years of its circulation. It needed Updating with the most recent genetics findings including Y-Chromosome DNA info, DNA dating methods, etc. The Haplogroup X DNA research is still valid for the maternal line.
Rod, I was already a Heartlander from a few videos I’ve seen from you, Neville, and Wayne May. But this video CLINCHED it. There is no doubt in my mind now. The Nephites lived in North America!
Rod, you are one of the most underrated voices of reason I’ve encountered! Thanks for all your hard work. For over 10 years, you have bolstered my testimony of the Book of Mormon and the restoration.
Thanks, Brother Meldrum. You have presented a huge amount of compelling evidence. I tend to favor the North America model. It makes more sense. Joseph Smith said the Nephites lived in North America, therefore, the Nephites lived in North America. Whether or not they lived elsewhere no one really knows.
Yes, Nephites traveled North from Mesoamerica in the boats of Hagoth and on foot with others. Up to where there were no major earthquakes, especially the farther North you go, the exact opposite of what The Book Of Mormon describes. And where there are no mountains, let alone great mountains where Heartlanders place the Nephites, while The Book Of Mormon says a Nephite city was buried under a great mountain in about the space of an hour. And no depths of the sea, or even any water with depths in North America. Nor did he mention that no traces of Peccaries are found anywhere near Book Of Mormon times, and that Bighorn Sheep and Mountain Goats are only found in the Rocky Mountains, never East of them. Nor did he mention that Horse remains were found among the Mayan remains in Mexico dating to within a few years of the dates that Horses are mentioned in The Book Of Mormon, while in North America, in the Southwest, the closest you get is barley in Jaredites times. But the worst was him using Trinitarian methods of changing the meaning of words to force them to agree instead of contradict their theories. Beasts of Prey, like Birds of Prey, have always meant meat eaters, NOT those who are eaten. And with eating raw meat and eating blood, were to show that they weren't keeping the law of Moses. This is one of the poorest excuses of research I have seen. He knowingly lies to support his unsupportable model. And he keeps saying arrows, when the bow and arrow came after the Hopewell, all those points he mentioned are spears, or small spears cast using Atlatls, which are sometimes called arrows. Now with all the plowing and construction, if there were older arrows that were shot with a bow, they would have been found, while in Mesoamerica almost no Archeological work has been done, seeing most of the land is covered in Jungle, so it's very likely bows and arrows will be found there along with the Atlatls and swords and who knows what else. Only recently has it been discovered that there are major extensive highways where carts and chariots would be practical, unlike North America. And while they're still coming up with elaborate explanation for why no snow or horses dating to the correct time, or any writing, on stone, metal or anything else dating to Book Of Mormon times, those in Mesoamerica are lining up Mayan history and culture with specific events and people in The Book Of Mormon with much details. And it never says that Zarahemlah is the Zarahemlah, it only says to place the name of Zarahemlah on the city. Just like cities in Utah were given Book Of Mormon and Bible names.
@@bartonbagnes4605 Very good and correct you are. And may I add; it was Joseph, who first claimed and published Zarahemla was in Central America, not modern-day scholars. Joseph actually published and declared an 'important fact' in 1842, in the church paper that he personally was editor of, that Zarahemla, the one burnt at the Savior's crucifixion, was in fact in Central America.
What Barabra and heartlanders need to remember is Central America is part of the North American continent, and that according to the narrative of the Book of Mormon, Nephites indeed covered the whole face of the continent wherever habitable. As mentioned by Barton, the verses in Alma 63 & Helaman 3, tell us that many tens of thousands of Nephites, over decades, and long before Christ was born, had left the land of Zarahemla and Bountiful to migrate to the choice land in the north country as mentioned in the Jaredite record that Mosiah translated.
The latter of these migrating groups of Nephites, had to travel such an exceedingly great distance north to find unsettled land for their own inheritances, that they discovered large bodies of water, bodies of water that were not considered seas by the Nephites as they had crossed a sea and knew the difference; nor were these large bodies of water called seas by Mormon, the author of the Book, as he also knew the difference. He knew what seas were and had used the term in referencing actual seas, such as the one the Nephites crossed to get to the north country. Plain and simple, these migrating Nephites had discovered the Great Lakes and settled the Ohio region all around the lakes, including Michigan etc. When reading these verses people need to remember, as the Book states, that these Nephites left from and traveled an exceedingly great distance away from Zarahemla and Bountiful the main lands where the Book of Mormon takes place, thus these migrating Nephites left the main Book of Mormon lands and went north to the choice land of the Jaredites, aka the "heartland" of the North American continent.
When and if people ever discover Nephite evidence, anywhere on the continent, it only collaborates with the narrative of the Book which says thousands of Nephites left the region of Zarahemla/Bountiful and spread all over the continent, no surprise. So yes, Joseph was accurate and could say he walked the plains of Nephites. However, it wasn't the plains of the Nephites in Zarahemla, nor Bountiful. Joseph doesn't say he walked the plains of Zarahemla, nor the plains of Bountiful, why because he knew he hadn't, because he knew Zarahemla was in the south region of the continent, in Central America, as he published in 1842. It all fits.
People also need to keep in mind, per the Book's narrative, that the New Jerusalem to be built in the choice-land of the Jaredites, will be located north of Zarahemla, not west, south, or southwest of it. Since Joseph tells us the New Jerusalem will be built at Independence, MO, that means Zarahemla, the one burnt at the Savior's crucifixion was not in Iowa, plain and simple.
However, as Joseph published, with Zarahemla in Central America, then Independence is perfectly located north of Zarahemla where it is supposed to be per the Book's narrative; it all fits plainly as Mormon and Joseph describe; no misinformation, conjecturing, speculating, or mental gymnastics is required.
One more point, since the narrative of the Book describes the narrow neck of land as being near Zarahemla; if any of the narrow strips of land between any of the Great Lakes is the Book of Mormon narrow neck of land; and if any of the Great Lakes is the "sea" that many thousands of Nephites sailed north across to get to the choice land of the Jaredites, where the New Jerusalem will be built; where would that place the New Jerusalem, Canada?? The thought makes reason stare.
@@bartonbagnes4605 Agree with what you said concerning Meldrum’s poor documentation & trying to make the square peg fit in a round hole. Though we’ve far to go bc of jungle mass as you pointed out, this mostly occurs in Central & South America. Mexico HAS DONE tons of arqueological work through UNIVERSIDAD NACIONAL AUTONOMA de MEXICO (UNAM) & most notably INSTITUTO NACIONAL DE ARQUEOLOGIA Y HISTORIA (INAH), the first arqueological university in the Americas and one of the best in the world.
Though huge jungle areas have note been excavated we do know there are hundreds & hundreds of pyramids & cities that lie underneath the jungles. But Many, many sites such as Teotihuacan, Chichen Itza, Tulum, Palenque, etc., have been excavated & studied extensively including their alignment with the stars & zenotes. www.inah.com to see the museum.
Thank you, Pure Lehite🇲🇽
Hagoth left and sailed north, which is physically impossible in the Mesoamerica models as they would have set sail on the west coast of Mesoamerica and that coast bends northwest until it goes directly west for hundreds of miles. In order to go north, you'll need a wagon, not a ship, because you run directly into land.
Based on your outdated and uninformed comments, it would appear you know nothing of the Heartland research that has now been available for some 15 years. We suggest becoming informed before demonstrating your ignorance of the Heartland geography model.
No cities in Utah with Book of Mormon names were given by the Lord through revelation. Big difference. The simple answer is that the called it Zarahemla in D&C 225:3 because it was Zarahemla. Pretty straightforward unless you prefer to strain at it in order to justify a Mesoamerica setting.
I tend to favor the land where Joseph Smith claimed Nephites resided. North America. Two Cumorah theory seems unlikely.
Thanks Ron!
Then you will surely want to google, Times and Season March 1, 1842 open it, pan over to page 710 and read that Joseph says he stands alone responsible for the publican and all papers having his signature henseforth. And signs it Joseph Smith. Notice he says he is responsible for all papers bearing his signatures, not just articles bearing his signature, but the whole paper. Then pan to page 718 to see his signature block that he has printed on each edition under his supervision going forward. This is also a good place to mention that Joseph's assistant editors are John Taylor & Wilford Woodruff (both apostles at the time, and both would become Presidents of the Church, not apostates like others). That's three powerful and impressive witnesses publishing the church's paper in 1842.
Now google Times and Seasons October 1, 1842 Zarahemla, open the proper labled link and start reading the front page of this edition, which is entitled Zarahemla!
When you're done reading the 'important fact', pan over to page 942 and behold Joseph's signature block on this paper as he promised he would do for all papers under his supervision. Joseph never corrected, refuted, or retracted the publication of the important fact that Zarahelma was in Central America, because Joseph is the one who published it as editor. Joseph is fully responsible for this publication.
Now before you run off and conjecture up some misinformation that Joseph had fled the area of Nauvoo, please read page 941, where the editor, in the same edition, as the Zarahemla important fact, addresses the conspiring notion that "Joe Smith" had fled the area and is headed to Canada as published by another paper of the area.
Rather you want to admit it or not, per his promise, Joseph was very much still in charge and still responsible for the paper.
Also, notice that the editors clarify the Zarahemla as the one burnt at the Savior's crucifixion. Why the clarification; isn't there only one Zarahemla the saints were familiar with?? (answer is no, as the saints had built a town in Iowa across the river from Nauvoo and named it Zarahemla, per the Lord's directions. but don't fret, this is a common practice, ex: the Nephites named cities after previous cities and places such as Jerusalem, or Bountiful, etc. Did you even know that the Nephites built a city in the new world and named it Jerusalem; we're not talking about the New Jerusalem to be built one day; but another city named Jerusalem which was destroyed and covered with water at the Savior's crucifixion, see 3 Nephi 9:7, most people don't even realize that and gloss right over it).
All of Joseph's other comments about walking plains of the Nephites, zelph, etc are also all accurate and collaborate the Book of Mormon narrative. See Alma 63, Helaman 3. It all fits! Nephites spread and covered the face of the whole continent wherever it was habitable, long before Christ was born.
Don't forget, according to the Book of Mormon narrative, wherever Zarahemla is, New Jerusalem will be northward of it, not westward, nor southward, nor southwestward. According to the Book of Mormon narrative and Joseph statements, the Book of Mormon Zarahemla is not in Iowa.
But don't worry, the New Jerusalem will be in the heartland for sure.
To all readers, the Book of Mormon is true! The message of the Book is a testament of Jesus Christ and His teachings. A sure testimony of the Book of Mormon only comes by the Spirit, and not by worldly means or proofs.
Take care.
19:38 Elite soldiers of Mesoamerica belonged to the Jaguar and Eagle Military Orders. They were the "Navy Seals" of their day. They went to war elaborately dressed as these top predators. "Fought like lions for their prey" is more than figurative speech if applied to them.
The Aztecs ate their enemies too. So there's that.
True, but Jaguars aren't mentioned in the text.
@@BookofMormonEvidence And there aren't lions in the Americas (I consider "mountain lion" an anachronistic fluke of English that doesn't appear in writing until 1858). My point is we need to be generous in our understanding of (living and dead) languages and how they are translated and used literally and figuratively across millennia by people from cultures that often have little or nothing in common to refer to ideas and concepts that are understood in radically different ways.
Rod, Caribou are also migratory beasts. There would be plenty of those too in the Jaredite timeline. Especially being the ice was further south at that time. Pretty sure woodland species migrate to some degree as well although nowhere near the Tundra herds.
Good point!
First part of the video Literally describes the American Indians, living in tents, hunting animals, living off the land. Mayans and Aztecs were much more industrious with cities and irrigation and farming.
All that Joseph Smith was aware of.
Yeah the Aztecs and Mayans are the descendants of the Jaredites not the Nephi/Lamanites
And major highways and writing on stone and metal and other materials, like The Book Of Mormon says. But it's not like you fi... Oh right, yes you do find those in Mesoamerica. As well as a history that lines up event for event and cultural practices found in The Book Of Mormon.
@@bartonbagnes4605 show us, show me anything that ties the nephites to Mexico please.
@@JakeBlaneyThat would be the Olmecs who are the Jaredites. The Mayan are the Nephites and Lamanites. The Aztecs didn't arrive in the area from the North until the 1200s A.D. The Pre-Classic Mayan period matches Book Of Mormon timeframe perfectly, starting about 600B.C. and ending about 425A.D., when the first Mayan King came to power, though they claimed descent and the right to rule from kings generations before.
From Webster's 1828 Dictionary:
Beast of prey is a carnivorous animal; one that feeds on the flesh of other animals. The word is applied to the larger animals, as lions, tigers, hawks, vultures, etc. rather than to insects; yet an insect feeding on other insects may be called an animal of prey.
The question is whether the Nephites meant the beasts of prey themselves, or were they referring to the animals the beasts of prey were praying upon? It would seem more likely they would eat the beasts that the predators were praying upon than the predators themselves. Bison vs wolf meat? You choose.
53:58 - “…of course, of course”
Missed opportunity!
Lots of good information. Thanks!
I don't know what video you were watching. This one is full of errors. And the way he changed the meaning of Bests of Prey from its one and only meaning ever, because it contradicted his narrative. Just like Trinitarians added new definitions to Elohim and Theos, just so they wouldn't have men being called Gods by the Father and Jesus Christ. Changing the scriptures to fit their narratives instead of changing their narratives to fit the scriptures. Shameful.
My understanding was that the Mammoth and Mastodons that have been found do not date to the time of the Book of Mormon. Is this correct? If there are some that have dated to the Book of Mormon what are your sources?
There have been mammoth bones found with Native American arrow or spear heads embedded in them. See the Kimmswick site or Mastodon State Park in Missouri for more details. Also, remember that the Nephites never mention the elephants, they were only mentioned by the Jaredites, who may have hunted them to extinction. There are also three Hopewell pipes that are clearly in the form and shape of an elephant.
Thank you Brother
The nemenhah records (book, second complete edition) clearly state they had horses and what happened to them. I believe the native Americans on this issue.
I tend to believe Native Americans before modern American Archaeologists with subversive motives! They have hidden much and destroyed a lot of proof. Both of giant humans and evidence for ancient Egyptian visitors [Joseph of Egypt]? This land was given to him after all. Good stuff, just need to dig some!
Native Americans have held that they always had horses. See the article...
returntofreedom.org/PDFs/AboriginalNorthAmericanHorse.pdf
Mr Rod Meldrum, you got lazy on horses, and elephants, didn't show any peer review journals or studies that date the horses or elephants to Book of Mormon times, and one more thing, why don't you do an up date with new information of the DNA EVIDENCE FOR THE BOOK OF MORMON GEOGRAPHY (Hyplogroup X), and why did you take that video out of youtube????
Do you want proof that the Book of Mormon is God's word?
No one cares about circle Jerkers in a Peer reviewed journals think.
It was a podcast, not a reference book. There are several examples of elephants with spear heads in association with their bones. The fact that ancient people were hunting them is accepted as scientific fact. The question then becomes one of dating. The Nephites never mentioned elephants. Only the earlier Jaredites.
Watch the video to learn more about the horses.
I never put it up on UA-cam, but only out on DVD. Someone else put it up and apparently decided to take it down. I replaced the presentation with The American Promised Land Covenant DVD after many years of its circulation. It needed Updating with the most recent genetics findings including Y-Chromosome DNA info, DNA dating methods, etc. The Haplogroup X DNA research is still valid for the maternal line.
All BS.
Did you even watch? Or just post a meaningless comment?
What the heck Dude!
All denial, on number 4's part 😅