My mother has been Mormon my whole life. I left the church when I was 13 after going to a Christian camp and actually studying the Bible. Please pray for her !
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Oh my goodness! Prayers for all including your mom. They are being deceived. May God bless her and save her. So many have a desire for truth and are led astray
@@dylanwilliams2202 Jesus warned and rebuked the man-made religions. All we need is to READ THE REAL BIBLE FOR OURSELVES, to come into the truths. I said a prayer for you. I almost died in 2016 and was radically saved. Are you baptized in the Holy Ghost and Born Again?
@@hismercysavessallysue5927 "Are you baptized in the Holy Ghost and Born Again?" I am not part of the Born Again denomination but I have been born again in Christ and have been baptized in the Holy Ghost. "All we need is to READ THE REAL BIBLE FOR OURSELVES" I have read the Bible and know it very well. That is why I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Born Again is not a denomination that I'm aware of, but obviously it states in the bible we must be baptized in the Holy Ghost to inherit the Kingdom of God. So that means you already know Jesus came here to baptize believers in the Holy Ghost, so we can be born again and reconnected back to God :) And I'm sure you know that the Holy Ghost is His own person, along with Jesus, to make up the One true living God :)
Don't leave the true Church of God and Jesus Christ over these lies and half truths. This video is garbage. In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since. This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.” In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah except the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates are not buried. The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD. The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered. youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie. Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses. ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses meridian.allenpress (dot) com/tjs/article/74/1/Article%205/487323/POST-PLEISTOCENE-HORSES-EQUUS-FROM-MEXICO At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant. At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous. At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change. At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says. Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. Stay in God's and Jesus Christ kingdom and don't be fooled by satan in leaving.
For their other video, (“Which one has more authority or precedent, the bible or the Book of Mormon?”) This is a dumb question, What you are asking is the equivalent of asking which takes more precedence Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John? There are different things and lessons said in all 4 and each one is of value. Taking one of the 4 out and you would lose a lot of the message of God and story and witness of Jesus Christ. (“The abominable church is the early christian church”) That isn’t true. The abominable church is anyone, past or present, who claims to be of Christ with their lips but denies him in actions. (Matthew 7:21-23, James 2:14-26, Ephesians 2:10, Titus 1:16, Isaiah 29:13) When Joel was talking to the linguist, the linguist avoided the topic. When asked about if the bible has been corrupted he doesn’t answer and insteads talks about the Book of Mormon manuscripts. What makes it even funnier is that Joel said there are no manuscripts like it completely negates what is said in 1 Nephi, it doesn’t. Nothing was said here that disproves what is said in 1 Nephi. (Greg “There has been one manuscript and as it faded over time then monks would free copy it over and over again”) That is not at all how the apostasy is described in our church. This is why I don’t believe Greg is truly a member because most people would have given the answer of “the authority died with the apostles”. My answer would have been somewhat similar but not at all worded anywhere close to what Greg said. This whole section is pointless when you realize Greg isn’t saying that we actually believe. And again, having no manuscripts for the Book of Mormon doesn’t disprove the claim of things being taken out of the bible. (Joel “Would you be able to tell if monks didn’t like something they would just take it out?” Linguist “Impossible”) Yea, the linguist is false here because we know it did happen with multiple versions and is very historically accurate. The New International Version (NIV) bible and every newer bible translation since 1900's is the biggest example of this. In Genesis 2:19 a translation such as the New Revised Standard Version uses "formed" in a plain past tense: "So out of the ground the LORD God *formed* every animal". The NIV's version is "Now the LORD God *had formed* out of the ground all the wild animals" to try to make it appear that the animals had already been created. Not only is the translation not correct but it misses the very point of the narrative and changes the meaning of the verse, that the animals were created in response to God's declaration that it was not good that Adam should be alone. The NIV has also changed verses to be more gender neutral, changing “mankind” into “human beings” for example. Most newer translations have been translated from the manuscripts and they don’t match older bibles. Let’s compare the NIV to the KJV KJV Luke 9:56 *“For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.* And they went to another village” NIV Luke 9:56 “Then he and his disciples went to another village.” KJV Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things *by Jesus Christ”* NIV Ephesians 3:9 “and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.” KJV Ephesians 5:9 “(For the fruit of the *Spirit* is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) NIV Ephesians 5:9 “(for the fruit of the *light* consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) KJV Revelations 13:1 *“And I stood upon the sand of the sea,* and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.” NIV Revelations 13:1 *“The dragon stood on the shore of the sea.* And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.” Matthew 18:11, Matthew 17:21, Matthew 23:14, Mark 7:16, Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 11:26, Mark 15:28, Luke 17:36, John 5:3-4, Acts 8:37, Acts 15:34, Acts 24:6-8, Acts 28:29, Romans 16:24 have all been removed from the NIV and other newer translations. Mark 10:18 in the 1611 edition of the King James Version reads "why callest thou me good? There is *no man* good, but one, that is God". The phrase ‘no man’ was removed from every subsequent printing of the King James Bible even though the same Greek word that underlies the 1611 rendition (oudeis) is also translated ‘no man’ in Revelation 7:9 and 14:3 1 Corinthians 7:8 when read in english says "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain unmarried as I am." giving the impression that he is talking to all unmarried people and widows. However, The Greek word translated "the unmarried" (agamois) has a masculine ending, meaning it can only refer to males. Unlike English, in Greek (like many other languages) words referring to people have different endings depending on whether males or females are being talked about. It is far more likely that "the unmarried" was supposed to mean widowers, men whose wives had died. This makes good sense of the masculine ending and goes well with the accompanying "widows". It makes sense that Paul would deal with widowers and widows together. Hellenistic Greek (the language in which the New Testament was written) has no word for a "widower" so the Greek word "agamos" which is found in verse 8 and translated to "the unmarried", was used instead. So verse 8 would be better translated and *understood* as "I say therefore to the widower and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I". This is saying nothing about or is to people who were never married and is actually saying not to get remarried. Should I keep hammering this point in with researching the KJV and what King James changed or do you all see it now? This was more or less off the top of my head and with about ~15 mins of research for clarification (The last 2 paragraphs I actually had saved for other "gotch ya" questions so that is why I knew it), what do think I could find out if I actually sat here and spent the time to research? What is really frustrating is that this whole time he hasn’t even asked “What was taken out of the gospel?” or “What are the plain and precious things that were taken out?”. How can you say something wasn’t taken out or the prophecies of something being taken out is wrong when you don’t even know what you are looking for? This “conclusion” is very disingenuous and a huge strawman. Here is the answer to "what was taken out of the gospel" To clarify, when the Book of Mormon talks of plain and precious things being taken out of the gospel it isn't just meaning the bible, it is also how christians explain and teach the message of the bible. How the relationship of God and Jesus Christ is described, necessity of baptism and the proper way to do it and when you are really considered "saved", baptism for the dead/preaching to the dead, proper priesthood authority, the laying on of hands to recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost, keeping the commandments and not being a sinner and actually following Christ, exaltation, 3 kingdoms of glory, not worshipping idols (the cross and pictures/statues of Jesus Christ and Mary for Catholics), Creation ex Nihilo, Purgatory (For Catholics), God being a spirit, marriages continuing in heaven, and the importance of temples are all things that have been removed or changed or added later by creeds or you teach these things despite it going against the bible. All of this can be shown from the bible and/or history and I can very much expand on each of these points for anyone. The Book of Mormon is true and Nephi was a real prophet who lived anciently. Again, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. Stay in God's and Jesus Christ kingdom and don't be fooled by satan in leaving.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Thank you for writing a whole novel that has NOTHING to do with this video. The Book of Mormon is FALSE because it describes massive battles with thousands of people dying while wearing BRASS ARMOR and not one sword, not one helmet, not one shield has ever been found. In fact, the only metal tools the Indians ever used were copper axes because they didn't need to be heated before pounding them into shape.
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@@dylanwilliams2202 no thanks. Being a Christian has changed my life. I thirst for eternal water when I was a Mormon. My cup over runs now. I hope one day you get to experience the difference. Love you and I hope for the best for you.
@@dylanwilliams2202 you sound like just any other religion trying to prove that their religion is truth. And what’s irony is, you putting your preach in the video that archeologically (kind of scientific way) video that proving the opposite of your believe. On top of that, you have no counter argument on the given thesis/finding, spoken by the video.. Having a blind faith could potentially lead someone into nowhere.. no different like 1 pagan tell to the other pagan that: pray to This Stone so the stone can give you nice dinner tonight..
@@bubyuguy9406 "On top of that, you have no counter argument on the given thesis/finding," BRUH, I have commented on several comments where I made counter arguments. Here is a copy and paste of what I said: In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since. This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, *save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.”* In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah *except* the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates *are not* buried. The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD. The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered. youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie. Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses. ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant. At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous. At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change. At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says. Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document. The Book of Mormon is true and tells of ancient people who lived on this continent who witnessed Jesus Christ being the Son of God, our Lord and our Savior.. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. Here is some more evidence for it: In the beginning of the Book of Mormon, a family travels south as they leave Jeruselam. It says that they came to a river. They stayed there for a while and then moved along, however they didn’t use fire. We now know that the Frankincense Trail was a trade route that people traveled on and what was being traveled down in the Book of Mormon. Fires were the way to identify where somebody was and there were marauders and robbers that would attack and rob along that route. In the story Ishmael dies and was buried in a place called Nahom. He didn’t die in Nahom but he was buried in Nahom. Lehi said the place which was called Nahom which matters because he was naming these other things and places but not this one. Archaeologists discovered south of Jerusalem and along this trail an altar that says the city of “NHM”. There’s no vowels in Hebrew so Nahom is one of the prime candidates of what NHM would stand for. It dates to the time of Lehi and it was a burial place. Also, Nahom in Hebrew meant to mourn which is something Joseph Smith wouldn’t have known at the time. Then the family went east to Bountiful. Bountiful is described in the Book of Mormon as Fertile, with much fruit and honey, possibly game, enough timber to build a durable ship, freshwater year-round to enable a prolonged stay, a nearby mountain described as ‘the mount’, and cliffs were available. Nephi’s brothers could threaten to cast him into the sea. Ore and flint were available. The winds and ocean currents there could permit travel out into the ocean. In Joseph Smith’s day, there was no place like that in any map available to him. However there is a place in the Qara Mountains of southern Oman in what is known as the Dhofar region that has all that is described that is east of the Nahom I mentioned earlier. In the story Nephi’s bow broke. The steel composite in bows from Jerusalem that they would have used would have in the arid climate in the Arabian desert been stressed and could have broken. Nephi also makes a new wooden bow from a steel bow. If you look closely at the text it says that Nephi made new arrows too. With steel bows you have to have short arrows because it’s tighter, the string tautness versus a wood bow has more flex, so you need a longer arrow. Something only an Archer would really know. The Book of Mormon tells us one of King Zedekiah’s sons was named Mulek and he escaped and came to the new world. The Bible says that Zedekiah and his sons were killed by King Nebuchadnezzar II during the Babylonian captivity. There’s no mention of anyone named Mulek in the Bible. We learned from the Book of Mormon that there was one that escaped there. A stamp seal of a royal figure was found in the 1980s by archaeologists digging in Jerusalem. It’s dated to the exact time of Zedekiah. And it’s written in Paleo-Hebrew and it calls the royal figure Malkiyahu, son of the king, which would have been Zedekiah as of that date. One of the shortened Hebrew variants of this name would be Mulek. In Omni 1:20, we read that in the days of Mosiah that there was a large stone brought unto him with engravings on it. Before the 1960s, most scholars believed the Mesoamerican monuments had no historical content whatsoever, but exclusively depicted and described gods and myths. However they discovered that by 400 BC there monuments (stelae’s) typically focused on a king or a ruler, depicting him as a warrior, providing a record of his actions and listing off the ruler’s ancestors. Dr. Jeffrey Curran Wynn, the chief scientist, Volcano Hazards, United States Geographical Survey responsible for 72 scientists at the Cascades Volcano Observatory. Dr. Wynn accepted the challenge to read and comment on the events of the American continent recorded in 3 Nephi 8 in the Book of Mormon. This chapter regards the great destructions at the time of the death of Christ. After a long and serious analysis of 3 Nephi 8 Dr. Wynn concluded that the evidence described followed the exact pattern of volcanic eruptions. The pattern is followed in every detail in 3 Nephi 8.
Former member here and thank God my mom used to drop me off at Sunday school at the local Baptist church when I was a kid. The Mormon church is very good at hiding a lot of facts but even so after 3 years in the church I was able to identify the deception thanks to having learned the truth as a child.
@@debhart769 Lol The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has the truth. This video is full of lies and half truths. I will copy and paste what I have said about it on other comments. In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since. This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, *save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.”* In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah *except* the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates *are not* buried. The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD. The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered. youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie. Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses. ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant. At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous. At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change. At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says. Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document. You tagged me in another comment but I am responding here, to answer your question Jesus was born in Bethlehem. You also asked for evidence so here is some for you: In the beginning of the Book of Mormon, a family travels south as they leave Jeruselam. It says that they came to a river. They stayed there for a while and then moved along, however they didn’t use fire. We now know that the Frankincense Trail was a trade route that people traveled on and what was being traveled down in the Book of Mormon. Fires were the way to identify where somebody was and there were marauders and robbers that would attack and rob along that route. In the story Ishmael dies and was buried in a place called Nahom. He didn’t die in Nahom but he was buried in Nahom. Lehi said the place which was called Nahom which matters because he was naming these other things and places but not this one. Archaeologists discovered south of Jerusalem and along this trail an altar that says the city of “NHM”. There’s no vowels in Hebrew so Nahom is one of the prime candidates of what NHM would stand for. It dates to the time of Lehi and it was a burial place. Also, Nahom in Hebrew meant to mourn which is something Joseph Smith wouldn’t have known at the time. Then the family went east to Bountiful. Bountiful is described in the Book of Mormon as Fertile, with much fruit and honey, possibly game, enough timber to build a durable ship, freshwater year-round to enable a prolonged stay, a nearby mountain described as ‘the mount’, and cliffs were available. Nephi’s brothers could threaten to cast him into the sea. Ore and flint were available. The winds and ocean currents there could permit travel out into the ocean. In Joseph Smith’s day, there was no place like that in any map available to him. However there is a place in the Qara Mountains of southern Oman in what is known as the Dhofar region that has all that is described that is east of the Nahom I mentioned earlier. In the story Nephi’s bow broke. The steel composite in bows from Jerusalem that they would have used would have in the arid climate in the Arabian desert been stressed and could have broken. Nephi also makes a new wooden bow from a steel bow. If you look closely at the text it says that Nephi made new arrows too. With steel bows you have to have short arrows because it’s tighter, the string tautness versus a wood bow has more flex, so you need a longer arrow. Something only an Archer would really know. The Book of Mormon tells us one of King Zedekiah’s sons was named Mulek and he escaped and came to the new world. The Bible says that Zedekiah and his sons were killed by King Nebuchadnezzar II during the Babylonian captivity. There’s no mention of anyone named Mulek in the Bible. We learned from the Book of Mormon that there was one that escaped there. A stamp seal of a royal figure was found in the 1980s by archaeologists digging in Jerusalem. It’s dated to the exact time of Zedekiah. And it’s written in Paleo-Hebrew and it calls the royal figure Malkiyahu, son of the king, which would have been Zedekiah as of that date. One of the shortened Hebrew variants of this name would be Mulek. This doesn't even cover all of it for the Church and I had to delete some of it because my comment was to long. I found God's truth and is found fully in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The Book of Mormon is a true witness of Jesus Christ and tells of ancient people who lived on this continent. You don't have the truth. To put it bluntly, the gospel every other Christian denomination teaches is a watered down version of what God's and Jesus Christ true gospel really is and is filled with paganism. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Read the real Bible for yourself (not man-made religion), and God will pull you out of that cult. Unless you're just a tool for satan intentionally trying to cause confusion for others seeking the truths.
Raised Generational Mormon: left when Holy Spirit spoke to me @17. I am now Christian, ministry & discipleship trained. Praise Jesus for Your clear message. God bless you & Expedition Bibles Ministry, may it flow forth to water God's people.
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Hello, that is nice, I believe the Book of Mormon is a lie. There is no mention of someone, who would be under Elijah's Spirit as John the Baptist, Christs predecessor. Moroni, who was supposedly the last to write this fake "Gospel", lived supposedly after another 4th century fake prophet Mormon. So those accounts speaking of direct Christs revelations, prior to "discovery" of those plates are kind of strange. It is not even complementary with the Bible. BTW I suggest to read something from Irenaeus of Lyons, not all, or his pupils to add some more light on who Christ is. - 1. Timothy 1:17 mediafire file gi4p1lc4t0vw3zm
The Holy Ghost doesn't turn you away from the one true church of Jesus Christ. John 3:5... without baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost one CANNOT enter the kingdom of God. Which church do you think you are going to get baptized into and where do you suppose you are going to find the priesthood outside the one true church of Jesus Christ? The Church of Jesus Christ comes with direct confirmation of it's truth right from God. ALL true disciples of Jesus Christ in the one true church can perform miracles. In fact those in tune with the Holy Ghost can literally walk through public and pick members of the one true church out of a crown from all those who are not just based on who has the spirit of God with them. The spirit of God is so obvious and unmistakable it's very easy to see. Anti-Christ encourage people to follow arm of flesh ideas of man like this video instead of God. Notice that nowhere did they encourage people to follow God. Nope they instead encourage people to follow the lies of man and to ignore God. Also notice that anti-Christ almost CAN'T say the name of the true church correctly. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. See if you can find anywhere even once that the followers of the devil that hates the truth uses the correct name. Nope. They can say ANY name of any false religion but notice none of them use the true name of the one true church of Jesus Christ. The devil knows all too well which church is true so he fills people with contention and hate for the truth where they literally HATE to say the name correctly.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Christ Jesus has Not returned yet, thus, the Gospel has Not Been (yet) restored. Acts 3:21-22, 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Questions about the validity of the Bible? Go read my Other Response Post. God bless you, Jeremiah 33:3.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@@dylanwilliams2202 no no no. Jesus Christ said: “It is finished”. John 19:30 He accomplished everything His Father had planned on the cross and out of the tomb. Just look deeply into the life of Joseph Smith. He’s no Jesus. Joseph Smith was a very deceptive and manipulative individual; an agent of demonic influence on the easily influenced. Jesus said to His disciples: He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Mark 16:15 He said wait on the helper, the Holy Spirit, not Joseph Smith!
@@dylanwilliams2202 Did you even watch this video with all the evidence? Not trying to be disrespectful, but good grief, it's crystal clear there is no factual evidence whatsoever to support LDS.
@@hismercysavessallysue5927 _"Did you even watch this video with all the evidence?"_ Evidence? What evidence? This video is complete garbage and is full of lies. This video is either really old or the guy is blatantly ignorant or lying. For someone who criticized me for commenting on multiple comments, how did you miss me refuting this video. Here is what I said about it: In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since. This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.” In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah except the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates are not buried. The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD. The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered. youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie. Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses. ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant. At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous. At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change. At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says. Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document. The Book of Mormon is true and tells of ancient people who lived on this continent who witnessed Jesus Christ being the Son of God, our Lord and our Savior. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. There is no evidence that refutes us, only lies that are meant to lead people away from God's and Jesus Christ's true Church. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
My dad who I don’t believe is saved invited Mormons into our house yesterday. Nevertheless, I asked them “do you guys believe in saved by grace?” The woman’s response was, “we’ll tell you tomorrow.” I was like “that’s a yes or no question” and to make a long story short they never showed up. I been watching videos on them & I can now see why they didn’t show up. God is protecting my household from false doctrine & I pray over my family. I believe my dad has itching ears and would like to have another way to be saved. True believers saved by grace, please pray for me and my family & I will do so as well if you ask of me in the comment section. We can have a prayer section under my comment 🙏🏽💖
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. This video wasn't well-researched at all, I mean the first point he makes is a lie (the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon). Anyone who says that is not well informed.
@@dylanwilliams2202 I humbly understand how this could be upsetting. I really feel for how this would make someone feel. However, if you are in an unsafe place (say a burning building as an example) would it not be right and good for someone to let you know? That is the motivation behind this message, that you enter eternity in safety and well-being. You are free to share any research backed by solid evidence that may have been missed, the object here is "what is true and why do we know it is true?" I have watched many of Joel's videos and based on his love of the truth, I do not believe he is doing anything by any other motivation than what he spells out at the end. May you find the peace and great satisfaction in knowing the one who is TRUTH, who is not just a set of provable facts, (although there are many substantial facts that match what is in both the Old and New Testaments) but the person of Jesus Christ as shown in the Gospels and fore told in the Old Testament. Keep in mind we are living in the very last of the last days and time appears to be short, none of us are promised tomorrow.
@@edwarnock9884 Lol the only thing upsetting is that you other denominations say the same false and sometimes unbiblical thing over and over again and it gets annoying to have to constantly debunk the same thing over and over again. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has the truth and is God's and Jesus Christ's one and only true church here on earth. I only watched the first few minutes of this one until he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. I haven't watched the rest of this nor am I going to watch an hour of garbage. I did that with his last video already, which was equally garbage. Make your claims and I will debunk them. Just to start, the Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since. This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, *save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.”* In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah *except* the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates *are not* buried.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Ok, here's a claim: the book of the Mormon is factually incorrect because of anachronistic claims like horses, steel and coinage being in the Americas centuries before Europeans arrived. What would you say?
@@dylanwilliams2202 Where did the horses of the BOM go? There is zero evidence of horses in Ancient North America. Where are the bones of these horses?
I'll never forget the first time I got an LDS family member to come to my protestant church. She had been questioning the LDS faith and had started to believe in the Jesus of the Bible. We had the Lord's Supper on that day and she asked if she could take it as well. I simply asked "Well, do you put your faith alone in Jesus Christ and believe that He is the only path?" She said "Yes" so I told her then of course she could and she burst into tears because she had never felt so accepted into anything or ever had it be that simple after all the shame and guilt. Today she is a professing Christian and is looking into removing her records from the church and I couldn't be more proud of her. I can't wait to share this video with LDS friends, any prayers for the LDS community here in Utah would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for this video!
We believe in the true God and Jesus Christ of the Bible. Jesus Christ who is Lord (Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Philippians 2:11) and the Son of God (Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 10:36, John 20:31), who is our mediator with God (1 Timothy 2:5), who said that God the Father is greater (John 14:28) and that God was his God (John 20:17), who wanted us to be one with Him and God as they are with each other (John 17:21-23). To us there is one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6). You believe in a pagan and unbiblical version of God and Jesus Christ made popular by the christian creeds, this 1 entity in 3 personages or this 3 entity in 1 personage thing. You believe they are 3 in one and the same but also separate and distinct but also the same yet not also. God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33) and that is confusing and illogical. You can’t have 3 persons in one being just like you can’t have one piano playing 3 songs at the same time. There is no verse in the bible to back up your pagan belief and to explain it you have to use sources that came centuries later. Your triune god is a false god, how do you not see the paganism in your belief? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has the truth. This video is full of lies and half truths. I will copy and paste what I have said about it on other comments. In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since. This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.” In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah except the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates are not buried. The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD. The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered. youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie. Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses. ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses meridian.allenpress (dot) com/tjs/article/74/1/Article%205/487323/POST-PLEISTOCENE-HORSES-EQUUS-FROM-MEXICO At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant. At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous. At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change. At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says. Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the bible better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you
@@dylanwilliams2202 Your sect has nothing to do with the Bible and literally did not exist until the 1820's. My Catholic Church is responsible for the Bible. The apostles spread the faith from as far to the west as Spain and to the east as India. ALL of those apostolic Churches are Catholic and exist today. St. Bartholomew - Armenian Catholic. St. Thomas - Syro-Malabar Catholic. Saints Peter & Paul - Roman Catholic. St. Mark - Coptic Catholic. St. Andrew - Byzantine Catholic. St. Jude - Chaldean Catholic, etc... The canon of scripture was set at the Council of Rome in 382 under the leadership of Pope Damasus I. The term "New Testaemnt" comes from Tertullian of Carthage. The word 'Bible" comes from Pope Siricius. Catholic bishop Stephan Langston is who later divided the Bible into chapters. The Early Church Fathers were bishops who succeeded the apostles and were all Catholic. “The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.’ . . . On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all the apostles are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he should desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?”- St. Cyprian of Carthage (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251] YOUNG STUDENTS LEARNING ENCYLOPEDIA vol.15, p.2292： “For the first 1,000 years of Christianity, all Christians belong to the Catholic Church. ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA vol. 15, p. 985： “The Catholic Church is an organization founded by Jesus Christ in Jerusalem in the year 33 AD..” THE NEW BOOK OF KNOWLEDGE ENCYCLOPEDIA p. 287： “The Roman Catholic Church started it’s history in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago as the original disciples of Christ gathered in the upper room waiting for the Holy Spirit to come. The day in which the Holy Ghost came is the birthday of the Catholic Church.” MERRIAM-WEBSTER’S ENCYCLOPEDIA OF WORLD RELIGIONS 1999 edition, p. 932： “The Roman Catholic Church is a Christian Church with a highly developed doctoral and organizational structure. It can trace it’s history back to the original Apostles of Christ in the first century.” GROLLIER ENCYCLOPEDIA volume V, p. 106： “The Catholic Church is from the Greek which means “universal”. It is a divine society founded by Christ endowed by the outpouring of the Holy Ghost on the day of Pentecost.” COMPTON’S ENCYCLOPEDIA 1996 edition： “The Catholic Church is the largest Christian denomination that has always existed since the first century and is the only original and true Christian Church in history.” YOUNG STUDENT’S ENCYCLOPEDIA volume 17, p. 261： “The Roman Catholic Church is the most ancient Christian denomination having its root in the first century.” COMPTON’S ENCYCLOPEDIA AND FACTS INDEX vol. 20, p. 2024 ： “There were no separate sects or branches of Christianity as there are today. The word Catholic is Greek “katholis” meaning “universal”, a Church where all Christians belong for the first one thousand years of Christian history.” THE NEW WEBSTER’S DICTIONARY OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, INTERNATIONAL EDITION p. 155 ： “The Catholic Church is the original Christian Church before the schism of the Church between East and West and the division of the Reformation.”
@@dylanwilliams2202 Which version of the truth? Most Mormons dont even know how many textual changes to the BOM there have been. So do you believe in the trinity as Joseph initially did or Do you believe God is just an exalted man with his own planet and we are his spirit babies? Because the bible (old and new testament). clearly describe God as he described himself. Which is that God himself does not have a body and is so pure that we sinners cannot see him it would cause or destruction. So God has the Holy Spirit and his Physical form in Jesus the Christ. Jesus is God in the flesh not a child of god or sibling of Satan. But you can keep believing in the guy that was convicted of fraud for using his stone and hat to con people out of money under the guise of finding treasure. Dont forget that joseph Smith use to perform animal sacrifices as part of the process to find these treasures he said he had the power to find. Almost forgot the one time Joseph said it would require a human sacrifice to find the treasure. Yep clearly sounds like a man of God.
such a great video!!! i noticed many comments from former Mormon church members who have since left the Mormon church! Praise God for bringing you all out!
This is such an important message, as a former member of the Morman church I pray this will awaken those still following the book of morman as to the truth . I am so thankfull that the Lord led me away from it and brought me back to him through reading my scriptures .
I too was led to be a member of the LDS Church. I was approached by the members of the church during a very low time In my life , where I was needing comfort, & direction which they provided. During my investigation of the church I began to have great doubts of the truth of the LDS church. When I had questions, they had no answers. Their answer would be to my questions, everything is through faith, which made me doubt myself. Only during a confrontation during a church service, did I make the choice to take my children and myself out of the Church. & Never went back. However I have yet to have found a church to fulfill my needs of Christ I determined I don't need a building over my head to worship the Lord. However I still need the, fellowship of other Christians.
@@employme2 The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the bible better than any other denomination. Not everyone can answer "gotch ya" off the top of their heads, so ask me these questions and I will answer them.
I'm a retired Christian Apologist. Your website is one of the finest! I greatly encourage our churches and Christians to support your work and to use your resources. God be with you! (Jude 3)
there is a difference between retiring from a job and retiring from God, my father is about to leave the ministry as a preacher after 30 years. Let's thank these people for devoting their lives to God and continue to pray for them!!! @@1catinhat
I literally just finished your Bible prophet vs mormon "prophet" video with my 11 year old daughter. I'm a former member and she has member in the family. Used your video to help her discern. And now this video! You are such a blessing your videos are amazing! Will watch this today for sure.
That video is garbage and so is this one. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the bible better than any other denomination. Rejoin God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and rejoin their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
Did anybody tell you that two book of Mormon localities have been found? Recently Nehom was excavated exactly where the book of Mormon describes it and the name Nehom was carved into the ancient stone in the excavation. The non Mormon archiologists described as a burial sight. Joseph Smith had no possible way of knowing this long buried excavation existed much less identified its completely unknown location 200 years before it was discovered. The archiologists now declare it was a burial sight exactly matching the book of Mormon. To make it more impossible the book of Mormon declares that Lehi traveled east from Nehom and discovered bountiful a small tropical spot with fruit trees surrounded by hundreds of miles of desert. This has been strongly criticized for years. You don't find a place that looks like the Hawaiian islands growing edible fruit in the middle of a major desert. Yet, exactly seen on line, you can now see this exact place and pinpoint exactly where it is identified in the book of Mormon. Virtually unknown to any map found in Joseph Smith's time or over even a hundred years after. What are the odds? Did the author above deliberately not include many such discoveries that now support the book of Mormon? He mentioned no barley existed at the time of Nephi. Did he not know that ancient Barely has been recently found and documented precisely growing at the time of the Nephites?. Why did he also ignore that horse bones were just discovered by non Mormon archiologists dated back to Nephi No elephants existed in America? Why did he ignore that elephant bones were discovered with arrow heads embedded in the bones? Elephants don't shoot arrowheads at each other! The new DNA evidence that disproves anti Mormon claims and much more! Why quote archiology 49 years ago to make a current video and deliberately ignore new discoveries? The number one rule of all archiology is that just because something has not been dug up yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You keep digging! How come he ignores the new discovery in the Bible where all of the timelines God gave to Daniel in the Bible add exactly to every one of Joseph Smith's restoration dates? Grab your Bible and calculator and see grade school easy math.
Here are new discoveries that are being deliberately held back from you. Link UTube titled... "LDS transaction law suit part 1 -4" must get there by the exact name of Paul Gregersen to get there. Anti Mormons just lost a transaction law suit as the evidence failed in a court of law!
The Bible timeline God put in your Bible that strikes Joseph Smith and the church restoration 7 times exactly. Link UTube ( BOA ep 16) by Paul Gregersen to get there again!
@@paulgregersen3570 everything coming from Joseph Smith has to be discredited. The foundation was already laid by Paul and there is no more foundation. Revelation makes it clear that nothing shall be added to the writings that were written after John's book.
This was excellent and didn't even go into the theology. I've met many Mormons over the years. They were all very nice. My heart and prayers go out to them.
@@Gray_193-x9v Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses. Would love to give links but UA-cam doesn't like them but you can find science articles talking about them.
@@dylanwilliams2202 That's true, and the Missionaries brought that up the timeline that they disappear though was from 13,000 - 15000 years ago. What about all these big cities listed in the Book of Mormon, nobody seems familiar with them.
@@Gray_193-x9v You didn't read my comment very well. Archeologist are have found and are continuing to find evidence of horses during Book of Mormon times or from 600 BC - 400 AD. I am not sure what you mean by "Nobody seems to be familiar with them" because that makes absolutely no sense. If you are meaning that we don't know where the cities are then sure. It wasn't until 2018 with the LIDAR System that it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that have yet to be explored and that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Us not knowing where Zarahemla or any other major city talked about in the Book of Mormon is at the moment isn't that big of a deal. In the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water that they called Samabaj. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD.
Mormon, scientology, seventh day Adventsist, universal church of Christ, Jehovah witness, - Sects that got it wrong, yet lead their innocent followers to wrong belief, encouraging false teachings and false sense of salvation. Shame on the leaders and bishops who know the truth yet insist on teaching falsehoods for the sake of control and ego. M
@@mwatts-riley2688 my mother is still trapped in the false Jehovah's Witness religion. Her name is Torree. Please pray for God to open her eyes to the truth of Jesus.
This was a very difficult video to make… I see it in the presenters eyes. I commend these guys for having the faith and courage to present these facts that lead to only one truth. May those following the Book of Mormon hear these words and accept the facts that have been presented.
There are no facts in this video. In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since. This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.” In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah except the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates are not buried. The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD. The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered. youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie. Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses. ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant. At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous. At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change. At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says. Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document. The Book of Mormon is true and tells of ancient people who lived on this continent who witnessed Jesus Christ being the Son of God, our Lord and our Savior. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth.
@@dylanwilliams2202 My friend, indeed you’re spiritually blinded. You can’t see the truth because you hardened your heart and won’t acknowledge the only true God, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 🙏 People in false religions like Catholicism, Mormonism, Islam, Jehovah Witness, etc. are spiritually blind. 2 Corinthians 3:16 But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
@@geness2914 The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. You saying I am spiritually blind with no argument backing it up doesn't mean anything. Matthew 22:29 "Jesus answered and said unto them, “Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God."
@@dylanwilliams2202 so you’re telling me, that these men, who got into their field of study to prove the church correct and failed miserably and along with a many Mormon apologists and told the truth, are wrong and some troll like you on UA-cam is right? I’ve seen your comments and you’re in major damage control. I was Mormon and you don’t teach the Bible well at all. You put the Bible in the hands of unqualified personnel and they give their interpretation of scripture according to what they pray about in their heart. Key word there. Now the members of the church are wonderful people. I’m sure you’re a wonderful person as well. But I’m sorry, this is not the gospel. We are saved by faith through the lord Jesus Christ. Period. Not by obeying the laws and ordinances of the gospel. Because if that is a saving ordinance then your salvation is unattainable and our Lord died in vain. It’s so freeing to realize that Jesus was perfect so you wouldn’t have to be. Read the Bible and become a serious student of the Bible. Read it like a child. Which is Biblical. Not like a scholar. May the Lord Jesus bless you and the Holy Spirit manifest through the word of the Almighty God and convict you to turn to the true Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
I’m always blown away at the quality of the videos on this channel. This one looks older but still terrific content and quality, thank you for sharing!
Yea this is all out-dated information and is refuted by newer findings. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the bible better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@@dylanwilliams2202 you’re once again lying. As your cult does. Those cities are much later than the lamenites. Also, still wrong plants and wrong animals. Safe to say that you will do anything but admit that you follow a lie from satan. Repent and believe the true gospel not some silly adulterer’s fan fiction
I have a friend who is Turkish who became a LDS. I just realized that UA-cam has the ability to make subtitles in various translations! Super tool. I will send this to him. thanks.
He should know that Turkiye has an ancient history as Asia Minor, Anatolia, Thrace and Byzantium with each period of time and empire having its own distinctive archeological evidence corresponding to recorded history. Mormonism as a collection of historical claims with such archeological evidence. There's easily 2000 years of archeology in Turkiye that matches written history which shows there's always physical evidence and no civilization in human history have ever erased themselves.
Turkey used to be a Christian nation before ISLAM. Although there still are Christians and freely worship. There also are Islamic Jews in Turkey. Why because of Moses and Abraham. People of Islamic faith are half Jewish.
LOL There is no historical documentation in this video, this video is full of lies and half truths. In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since. This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.” In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah except the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates are not buried. The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD. The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered. youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie. Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses. ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses meridian.allenpress (dot) com/tjs/article/74/1/Article%205/487323/POST-PLEISTOCENE-HORSES-EQUUS-FROM-MEXICO At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant. At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous. At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change. At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says. Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the bible better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you
I recently purchased your book “Where God Came Down” I can’t wait to read it! Love your content🙏 thank you for continuing to spread the word through your findings
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@@dylanwilliams2202All you have are these worthless claims, show some actual evidence and maybe people will stop laughing at you and what you believe in.
@@micahkemper4581 Bruh, I sent this almost a year ago. I have under this video multiple comments that goes through and debunks this video and provides evidence of the Book of Mormon. There are many people within the Church that have debunked this video and/or the claims presented in this. There are also many channels that go through evidence of the Book of Mormon. Maybe look at both sides instead of blindly believing one and then maybe you evangelicals won't look ignorant all the time.
As someone who just purchased Joels book , if you enjoy these videos you'll enjoy it. Sometimes you really cant beat a book. The detailed illustrations and maps give a great study tool.
Joel, it was so nice meeting you last week at Abu Alis home.. we were with Chips tour group. Your videos have helped us tremendously and our tour of the Holy Land and archeology was mind blowing. So thankful to be able to test all things and hold on to those which prove true.
Hi Which must include the 1st Book of Enoch as it was part of the Dead Sea Scrolls rediscovered in 1947 and Moses Peter and Jude quoted from it VERBATIM. Ethiopian Bible never removed it! Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua returning soon to reign over the world from Jerusalem.
@@toosiyabrandt8676 Which version of The Book Of Enoch? For the two older versions found in the Dead Sea Scrolls are very different from the one from the Ethiopic Bible.
Yes the Bible. For the Jesus Christ of the Bible is not the Trinity created by man. Jesus said "It is written in your Law that the testimony of two men is true, I am one who testifies of me, and my Father..." So Jesus and God are two separate men according the Bible. We are told in the Bible that God cannot lie, and God called men gods who had received his word, and Jesus Christ affirmed it when he said "And if He called them gods unto whom the word came, and the word cannot be broken, then why say ye that I blaspheme because I said that I am the Son Of God?" So men become gods when they receive God's word, and Jesus Christ and God are separate men. But wait, we are told repeatedly that there is only one God. And that is true, for as man is plural for all mankind, so God is plural and encompasses multiple generations. "That they may be one, even as we are one." "That they also may be one in us." All one God, yet separate men. For Jesus Christ "Thought it not robbery to be equal with God." And "He(Jesus Christ) was MADE in the express image of His(God's) person." Any church that doesn't teach a Jesus Christ that is separate physically, yet equal to God, is teaching a different Jesus, and should be rejected.
@@bobmcalister2131 True. Unfortunately man kept changing it. Did you know that the story of the woman taken in adultery isn't even mentioned in notes before the 12th century? Does that mean it wasn't in the original Gospel Of Luke? Not necessarily. It was probably removed for a while, until an old version that no longer exists, or is buried in the Vatican vault, was found, and it was restored.
Excellent presentation. Very well organized. You unfold the missing pieces of this belief in a way that is kind to those lost in it. Hopefully, they will realize and discover the true Jesus.
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@@Leonardokite I only watched the first few minutes of this one until he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since. This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, *save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.”* In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah *except* the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates *are not* buried. From what others have said about this video it makes the claim that there is no cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD. There is plenty of evidence for the Book of Mormon and as time passes more and more that is said in it gets proven to be accurate. The Book of Mormon is true and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@@dylanwilliams2202 That's interesting. I guess the Mormons that built the visitor center at Cumorah we're confused. Imagine that lol. Did they get some new gold plates?
I love your book, the one I have ' Where God came Down ' . As I've shared in my small circle of ' believers', their reaction is less than what I would had expected. However, HE is returning sooner than most will comprehend or are willing to accept. As I share , my faith grows so much more in Christ. You have done and continue to do an enormous work in Christ .... Item: I watched your conversation with your Mormon friend...and still they refuse the love of God, the Christ. God Bless you & team !
Well Done! I live in an area of heavy LDS influence. I have many LDS friends. I can attest that they are wonderful people. What a evil act to deceive so many people. We recently held and apologetics presentation comparing the book of Mormon the the Bible, we did have 3 LDS members attend. Our prayer is that they will see the truth and come to a real relationship with the real Jesus. Thank you for putting this video together and sharing it with the world.
We believe in the true God and Jesus Christ of the Bible. Jesus Christ who is Lord (Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Philippians 2:11) and the Son of God (Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 10:36, John 20:31), who is our mediator with God (1 Timothy 2:5), who said that God the Father is greater (John 14:28) and that God was his God (John 20:17), who wanted us to be one with Him and God as they are with each other (John 17:21-23). To us there is one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6). You believe in a pagan and unbiblical version of God and Jesus Christ made popular by the christian creeds, this 1 entity in 3 personages or this 3 entity in 1 personage thing. You believe they are 3 in one and the same but also separate and distinct but also the same yet not also. God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33) and that is confusing and illogical. You can’t have 3 persons in one being just like you can’t have one piano playing 3 songs at the same time. There is no verse in the bible to back up your pagan belief and to explain it you have to use sources that came centuries later. Your triune god is a false god, how do you not see the paganism in your belief? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the bible better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you
I was raised protestant and now I'm Catholic. The Catholic Church considers the protestants Christian as well, except for the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. =)
Exceptional, as usual. I began my walk of faith by seeking evidence, real evidence, of Yeshua as an historical person first, and went from there. The evidence is overwhelming. Dr. Kramer's work is scholarly and exemplary. His videos have strengthened me over the years.
Watched the other video before this one on Mormon and the test of a prophet. As an LDS member, both of these videos has hit hard to me that now I have to step away from the church to take a good look at it again. I can not deny what is spoken of in both of these videos.
Finally got a chance to finish this video, and wow. I watched the Prophet Test video first and this really just helps me discern that only The Holy Bible is necessary for Salvation through Christ Jesus. I can see now that Joseph Smith fabricated The Book of Mormon, and I am grateful to have this weight lifted off my shoulders! Now, if I could just get my folks to listen and understand all this!
Great presentation, thank you for sharing! I've always enjoyed history and historical discoveries. I came to Christ after reading the bible and noticing a lot of mention of historical figures and locations. And I was fascinated to start finding so much archeological and scholarly and historical evidence for so much of the biblical accounts. So naturally, when coming into contact with Mormon missionaries and getting into learning the book of Mormon and the history behind it, I was curious to the historical and archeological support. And naturally....I was extremely disappointed. Even their writing is said to have conveniently been whisked away into heaven. Meanwhile you can recreate the entire new testament just from manuscript copies that have been discovered and preserved. I don't mean it as an insult, but from my reading it and study, the Book of Mormon is a spurious fanfiction written by Joseph Smith.
LOL, there is no in-depth investigation in this video. In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since. This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.” In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah except the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates are not buried. The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD. The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered. youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie. Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses. ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant. At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous. At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change. At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says. Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document. The Book of Mormon is true and tells of ancient people who lived on this continent who witnessed Jesus Christ being the Son of God, our Lord and our Savior. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth.
No, this is a horrible video and has no facts in it. In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since. This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.” In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah except the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates are not buried. The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD. The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered. youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie. Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses. ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant. At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous. At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change. At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says. Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document. The Book of Mormon is true and tells of ancient people who lived on this continent who witnessed Jesus Christ being the Son of God, our Lord and our Savior. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Way to go, wolf. You have learned a Scripture verse. If you are ever ready to know Truth, let me know. Until then, LEAVE HIS FLOCK ALONE, WOLF!
@@arturofuente4832 The one who needs to leave his flock alone is you. Personal attacks aren't an argument. You are nothing but a child bud, say something of value. Or don't and keep throwing a tantrum lol.
Like those who made this video, and all of the foolish people who blindly accept these lies without making the effort to learn the truth for themselves. All those who have sincerely sought a witness that The Book of Mormon is true, have received such a witness. Beware, lest ye find yourselves fighting against God.
@@Ken-ej6sc The Biblical evidence record is there for all to see, unlike the Mormon record, which is non-existent. It's easy to just say something, anything, for example: "The moon is made of cheese", without a shred of evidence to back up the claim. One cannot be told the truth, if one WILL not hear it.
Galatians 18 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.:
Excellent video. Your approach to this topic is spot on. Excellent historians explaining historically known information and knowledge versus a lack on historical information from the other aspect. This video and videos like this one cannot be viewed just once but must be viewed over and over to gain a full understanding and what is being revealed. Thank you Joel and your team for all of your great videos on this channel.
Excellently presented. I just missed the most important question: How does Mormon's Christ ensure their salvation? Christians have the cross and resurrection and the return of Christ as their immovable hope.
I was babtised in Mormon by my grandpa. I haven’t been back since I was 12 and fell into rebellion! Which led me to a true Christ in the faith of Christianity
My son was married to a mormon believing girl and joined the LDS Church. He is a firm believer and the Bible is corrupt. Please pray for him and his family.
Absolutely terrific work! Regarding the discovery and evidence revealing the location corroborating events at Masada, I seem to remember actually seeing clear evidence of three surrounding Roman encampments around the site. Am I correctly remembering seeing the remnants of those encampments? correctly?
LOL No, this is not a "thorough takedown" In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since. This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.” In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah except the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates are not buried. The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD. The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered. youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie. Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses. ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant. At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous. At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change. At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says. Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document. The Book of Mormon is true and tells of ancient people who lived on this continent who witnessed Jesus Christ being the Son of God, our Lord and our Savior. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth.
There will be no “reformed Egyptian” language found in any of the cities in the Amazon. None of them will match the descriptions in the Boom of Mormon. Write it down
It's also worth mentioning that DNA studies prove Native Americans are of Asian origin - not Jewish - and they came in multiple waves of migration over time.
Thank you for sharing this.I believe the Bible.I am not Judging them.The Bible is the truth Pray for those who do not understand,and maybe someone will explained it to them.God Bless in Jesus name Amen.
To the content creator of this channel, I just want to say thank you so very much from the bottom of my heart. If you remember I am the street preacher who email you concerning this issue last year and ask you if you could help me with issue as I am trying my best to speak and share the truth with the LDS church in America. Thanks again brother and God bless.👍👍
Joel - thanks to you and Scott (and others) for your work in getting the truth out there for anyone to see! Some great quotes/comments from those whom you interviewed. This is very timely and relevant - especially with the unbiblical series "The Chosen" going into the third season. This time, it's 21st century religious fiction. The writers, producers and those funding "The Chosen" have admitted publicly that they're not using the Bible for their "stories". The LDS have found a professing Christian to be the face of the project. Unfortunately, this is diverting many away from the true gospel of Christ (just as stated at time stamp 55:45). Thanks to those in the comments reminding all to test the spirits and reject those bringing another gospel.
Wow great info! It seems it was one or a few that made their own thoughts and many did and will believe. It was interesting to see when asked about any findings they couldn’t talk
This documentary is so eye-opening! It's also extremely unbelievable to think of how many Mormons there are...that have been led astray, and that if they don't come to know the truth of Jesus Christ..... their souls will not be in heaven. To imagine all the Mormons that have past on.... is unthinkable! I pray this documentary will rip off the veil of deceit so that they will repent and turn to Jesus Christ ALONE!
Thank you, this is a true labor of love without guile, just a clear and simple presentation from the heart, I can't begin to think of the many hours you freely invested in this video
The Bible is the complete and true word of God. nothing is missing, and nothing should be added to it. It is as applicable today as it was when it was when God lead the prophets to write it. Our salvation lies only in our belief in Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour that died on the cross for our sins and rose from the dead, there's no other truth that we should follow as Christians, children of God.🙌🏼🙌🏼✝️
Thank you for all of your intensive research...this is excellent. I've learned so much and am better equipped to share the gospel and refute false claims.
This is not at all "intensive research". His first point he says is wrong (the Church says the hill cumorah in new york is the same one in the book of Mormon). The church does not claim that, infact quite the opposite. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since. This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, *save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.”* In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah *except* the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates *are not* buried. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the bible better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
I’ve seen countless videos about biblical history and archaeology, including many from this channel. This video is by far the best I’ve seen on this channel. I visited an LDS church prior to giving my life to Christ but never knew so much information about the inaccuracy of the Book of Mormon. I truly appreciate the time put into this.
This was a great work! Thank you so much Joel - I so appreciate your work in the Lord my brother!!! I commute with a high level Mormon and we are good friends, and I am showing him the tremendous body of evidence for the Bible, but how does the book of Mormon compare?
The book of Mormon is a fraud. There’s zero evidence for anything that happened, it’s all fairy tale written by a ConMan Joe Smith. The Bible on the other hand is 100% truth.
Excellent work! Thank you so much for the time and resources that you invested in releaving this truth. God bless you! I was once invited to go to this church so that i could Get free food and enjoy the sports facilities. Afterwards the service began but oh my i have never been so scared. I felt as if anything I was to say would get me judged and condemed.
I love the angle at which you came at the LDS church. If this historic and scientific angle was enough to do serious damage, as a teacher of the word of God, I'm 100% sure that the scriptural angle from the KJV Holy Bible will ultimately decimate them! Excellent work in this documentary. God bless!
I was 17, in high school and attended a "church" where males and females were totally separated, and my pants were frowned upon. I left, and went to a mormon "church" to try it. They were all separated too, in the sanctuary, but not during sunday school. It was hectic and no one was really in charge of the youth. I just knew that both "churches" were wrong for me. Then I had this awful dream, where satan stood at my bedside offering me great wealth, if I would serve him. Soon, a Christian friend invited me to church where I immediately gave my life to Jesus. Thank God!
Absolutely love your videos. This one, and "Test of a Prophet: The Bible vs. Joseph Smith" are great at refuting the Mormon false religion. I would love to see you do a video refuting the Jehovah Witness.
And we'll pray for you. The pure in heart will eventually be led to study both The Bible and The Book of Mormon, and will receive a witness from God that they are both true, as I have.😊
@@Ken-ej6scthey cannot both be true. The Book of Mormon clearly contradicts the Bible in areas of history, Jesus’s nature, and the gospel message. LDS must always have to answer the question: Am I doing enough to keep myself saved? Whereas Christians need only trust in the work of Christ- not our efforts.
The only true church on earth is the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The Book of Mormon was the most correct book on earth than the bible.
Just tell them that you know after doing research that Joe Smith is a con man, a false prophet, and that the book of Mormon is fairytale. There’s absolute zero historical evidence for it. God bless!
This is excellent. I'll be sharing this will my moms neighbors - if they truly believe their faith then they shouldn't mind testing it - and they should have no qualms watching this - we'll see. Galatians 1 is enough for a normal person, but mormons are sadly deceived Thanks brother!
My mother has been Mormon my whole life. I left the church when I was 13 after going to a Christian camp and actually studying the Bible. Please pray for her !
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the bible better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
Oh my goodness! Prayers for all including your mom. They are being deceived. May God bless her and save her. So many have a desire for truth and are led astray
@@dylanwilliams2202 Jesus warned and rebuked the man-made religions. All we need is to READ THE REAL BIBLE FOR OURSELVES, to come into the truths. I said a prayer for you. I almost died in 2016 and was radically saved. Are you baptized in the Holy Ghost and Born Again?
@@hismercysavessallysue5927 "Are you baptized in the Holy Ghost and Born Again?" I am not part of the Born Again denomination but I have been born again in Christ and have been baptized in the Holy Ghost.
"All we need is to READ THE REAL BIBLE FOR OURSELVES" I have read the Bible and know it very well. That is why I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Born Again is not a denomination that I'm aware of, but obviously it states in the bible we must be baptized in the Holy Ghost to inherit the Kingdom of God. So that means you already know Jesus came here to baptize believers in the Holy Ghost, so we can be born again and reconnected back to God :) And I'm sure you know that the Holy Ghost is His own person, along with Jesus, to make up the One true living God :)
This video, along with The Bible vs Joseph Smith, reinforced my decision to leave the Mormon church. Thank you.
Don't leave the true Church of God and Jesus Christ over these lies and half truths. This video is garbage. In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since.
This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.” In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah except the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates are not buried.
The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america
To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD.
The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered.
youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s
At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie.
Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses.
ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came
sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses
meridian.allenpress (dot) com/tjs/article/74/1/Article%205/487323/POST-PLEISTOCENE-HORSES-EQUUS-FROM-MEXICO
At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant.
At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous.
At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change.
At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says.
Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document.
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For their other video, (“Which one has more authority or precedent, the bible or the Book of Mormon?”)
This is a dumb question, What you are asking is the equivalent of asking which takes more precedence Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John? There are different things and lessons said in all 4 and each one is of value. Taking one of the 4 out and you would lose a lot of the message of God and story and witness of Jesus Christ.
(“The abominable church is the early christian church”)
That isn’t true. The abominable church is anyone, past or present, who claims to be of Christ with their lips but denies him in actions. (Matthew 7:21-23, James 2:14-26, Ephesians 2:10, Titus 1:16, Isaiah 29:13)
When Joel was talking to the linguist, the linguist avoided the topic. When asked about if the bible has been corrupted he doesn’t answer and insteads talks about the Book of Mormon manuscripts. What makes it even funnier is that Joel said there are no manuscripts like it completely negates what is said in 1 Nephi, it doesn’t. Nothing was said here that disproves what is said in 1 Nephi.
(Greg “There has been one manuscript and as it faded over time then monks would free copy it over and over again”)
That is not at all how the apostasy is described in our church. This is why I don’t believe Greg is truly a member because most people would have given the answer of “the authority died with the apostles”. My answer would have been somewhat similar but not at all worded anywhere close to what Greg said. This whole section is pointless when you realize Greg isn’t saying that we actually believe. And again, having no manuscripts for the Book of Mormon doesn’t disprove the claim of things being taken out of the bible.
(Joel “Would you be able to tell if monks didn’t like something they would just take it out?” Linguist “Impossible”) Yea, the linguist is false here because we know it did happen with multiple versions and is very historically accurate. The New International Version (NIV) bible and every newer bible translation since 1900's is the biggest example of this. In Genesis 2:19 a translation such as the New Revised Standard Version uses "formed" in a plain past tense: "So out of the ground the LORD God *formed* every animal". The NIV's version is "Now the LORD God *had formed* out of the ground all the wild animals" to try to make it appear that the animals had already been created. Not only is the translation not correct but it misses the very point of the narrative and changes the meaning of the verse, that the animals were created in response to God's declaration that it was not good that Adam should be alone. The NIV has also changed verses to be more gender neutral, changing “mankind” into “human beings” for example.
Most newer translations have been translated from the manuscripts and they don’t match older bibles. Let’s compare the NIV to the KJV
KJV Luke 9:56 *“For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.* And they went to another village”
NIV Luke 9:56 “Then he and his disciples went to another village.”
KJV Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things *by Jesus Christ”*
NIV Ephesians 3:9 “and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.”
KJV Ephesians 5:9 “(For the fruit of the *Spirit* is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
NIV Ephesians 5:9 “(for the fruit of the *light* consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)
KJV Revelations 13:1 *“And I stood upon the sand of the sea,* and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”
NIV Revelations 13:1 *“The dragon stood on the shore of the sea.* And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.”
Matthew 18:11, Matthew 17:21, Matthew 23:14, Mark 7:16, Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46, Mark 11:26, Mark 15:28, Luke 17:36, John 5:3-4, Acts 8:37, Acts 15:34, Acts 24:6-8, Acts 28:29, Romans 16:24 have all been removed from the NIV and other newer translations.
Mark 10:18 in the 1611 edition of the King James Version reads "why callest thou me good? There is *no man* good, but one, that is God". The phrase ‘no man’ was removed from every subsequent printing of the King James Bible even though the same Greek word that underlies the 1611 rendition (oudeis) is also translated ‘no man’ in Revelation 7:9 and 14:3
1 Corinthians 7:8 when read in english says "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain unmarried as I am." giving the impression that he is talking to all unmarried people and widows. However, The Greek word translated "the unmarried" (agamois) has a masculine ending, meaning it can only refer to males. Unlike English, in Greek (like many other languages) words referring to people have different endings depending on whether males or females are being talked about. It is far more likely that "the unmarried" was supposed to mean widowers, men whose wives had died. This makes good sense of the masculine ending and goes well with the accompanying "widows". It makes sense that Paul would deal with widowers and widows together. Hellenistic Greek (the language in which the New Testament was written) has no word for a "widower" so the Greek word "agamos" which is found in verse 8 and translated to "the unmarried", was used instead. So verse 8 would be better translated and *understood* as "I say therefore to the widower and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I". This is saying nothing about or is to people who were never married and is actually saying not to get remarried.
Should I keep hammering this point in with researching the KJV and what King James changed or do you all see it now? This was more or less off the top of my head and with about ~15 mins of research for clarification (The last 2 paragraphs I actually had saved for other "gotch ya" questions so that is why I knew it), what do think I could find out if I actually sat here and spent the time to research?
What is really frustrating is that this whole time he hasn’t even asked “What was taken out of the gospel?” or “What are the plain and precious things that were taken out?”. How can you say something wasn’t taken out or the prophecies of something being taken out is wrong when you don’t even know what you are looking for? This “conclusion” is very disingenuous and a huge strawman. Here is the answer to "what was taken out of the gospel"
To clarify, when the Book of Mormon talks of plain and precious things being taken out of the gospel it isn't just meaning the bible, it is also how christians explain and teach the message of the bible. How the relationship of God and Jesus Christ is described, necessity of baptism and the proper way to do it and when you are really considered "saved", baptism for the dead/preaching to the dead, proper priesthood authority, the laying on of hands to recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost, keeping the commandments and not being a sinner and actually following Christ, exaltation, 3 kingdoms of glory, not worshipping idols (the cross and pictures/statues of Jesus Christ and Mary for Catholics), Creation ex Nihilo, Purgatory (For Catholics), God being a spirit, marriages continuing in heaven, and the importance of temples are all things that have been removed or changed or added later by creeds or you teach these things despite it going against the bible. All of this can be shown from the bible and/or history and I can very much expand on each of these points for anyone.
The Book of Mormon is true and Nephi was a real prophet who lived anciently. Again, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. Stay in God's and Jesus Christ kingdom and don't be fooled by satan in leaving.
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@@dylanwilliams2202 Thank you for writing a whole novel that has NOTHING to do with this video. The Book of Mormon is FALSE because it describes massive battles with thousands of people dying while wearing BRASS ARMOR and not one sword, not one helmet, not one shield has ever been found. In fact, the only metal tools the Indians ever used were copper axes because they didn't need to be heated before pounding them into shape.
Grew up Mormon. Christian now by the grace of God.
Praise Jesus! God bless you dear one.
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@@dylanwilliams2202 no thanks. Being a Christian has changed my life. I thirst for eternal water when I was a Mormon. My cup over runs now. I hope one day you get to experience the difference. Love you and I hope for the best for you.
@@dylanwilliams2202
you sound like just any other religion trying to prove that their religion is truth.
And what’s irony is, you putting your preach in the video that archeologically (kind of scientific way) video that proving the opposite of your believe.
On top of that, you have no counter argument on the given thesis/finding, spoken by the video..
Having a blind faith could potentially
lead someone into nowhere.. no different like 1 pagan tell to the other pagan that: pray to This Stone so the stone can give you nice dinner tonight..
@@bubyuguy9406 "On top of that, you have no counter argument on the given thesis/finding," BRUH, I have commented on several comments where I made counter arguments. Here is a copy and paste of what I said: In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since.
This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, *save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.”* In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah *except* the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates *are not* buried.
The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america
To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD.
The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered.
youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s
At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie.
Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses.
ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came
sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses
At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant.
At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous.
At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change.
At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says.
Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document.
The Book of Mormon is true and tells of ancient people who lived on this continent who witnessed Jesus Christ being the Son of God, our Lord and our Savior.. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. Here is some more evidence for it: In the beginning of the Book of Mormon, a family travels south as they leave Jeruselam. It says that they came to a river. They stayed there for a while and then moved along, however they didn’t use fire. We now know that the Frankincense Trail was a trade route that people traveled on and what was being traveled down in the Book of Mormon. Fires were the way to identify where somebody was and there were marauders and robbers that would attack and rob along that route.
In the story Ishmael dies and was buried in a place called Nahom. He didn’t die in Nahom but he was buried in Nahom. Lehi said the place which was called Nahom which matters because he was naming these other things and places but not this one. Archaeologists discovered south of Jerusalem and along this trail an altar that says the city of “NHM”. There’s no vowels in Hebrew so Nahom is one of the prime candidates of what NHM would stand for. It dates to the time of Lehi and it was a burial place. Also, Nahom in Hebrew meant to mourn which is something Joseph Smith wouldn’t have known at the time.
Then the family went east to Bountiful. Bountiful is described in the Book of Mormon as Fertile, with much fruit and honey, possibly game, enough timber to build a durable ship, freshwater year-round to enable a prolonged stay, a nearby mountain described as ‘the mount’, and cliffs were available. Nephi’s brothers could threaten to cast him into the sea. Ore and flint were available. The winds and ocean currents there could permit travel out into the ocean. In Joseph Smith’s day, there was no place like that in any map available to him. However there is a place in the Qara Mountains of southern Oman in what is known as the Dhofar region that has all that is described that is east of the Nahom I mentioned earlier.
In the story Nephi’s bow broke. The steel composite in bows from Jerusalem that they would have used would have in the arid climate in the Arabian desert been stressed and could have broken. Nephi also makes a new wooden bow from a steel bow. If you look closely at the text it says that Nephi made new arrows too. With steel bows you have to have short arrows because it’s tighter, the string tautness versus a wood bow has more flex, so you need a longer arrow. Something only an Archer would really know.
The Book of Mormon tells us one of King Zedekiah’s sons was named Mulek and he escaped and came to the new world. The Bible says that Zedekiah and his sons were killed by King Nebuchadnezzar II during the Babylonian captivity. There’s no mention of anyone named Mulek in the Bible. We learned from the Book of Mormon that there was one that escaped there. A stamp seal of a royal figure was found in the 1980s by archaeologists digging in Jerusalem. It’s dated to the exact time of Zedekiah. And it’s written in Paleo-Hebrew and it calls the royal figure Malkiyahu, son of the king, which would have been Zedekiah as of that date. One of the shortened Hebrew variants of this name would be Mulek.
In Omni 1:20, we read that in the days of Mosiah that there was a large stone brought unto him with engravings on it. Before the 1960s, most scholars believed the Mesoamerican monuments had no historical content whatsoever, but exclusively depicted and described gods and myths. However they discovered that by 400 BC there monuments (stelae’s) typically focused on a king or a ruler, depicting him as a warrior, providing a record of his actions and listing off the ruler’s ancestors.
Dr. Jeffrey Curran Wynn, the chief scientist, Volcano Hazards, United States Geographical Survey responsible for 72 scientists at the Cascades Volcano Observatory. Dr. Wynn accepted the challenge to read and comment on the events of the American continent recorded in 3 Nephi 8 in the Book of Mormon. This chapter regards the great destructions at the time of the death of Christ. After a long and serious analysis of 3 Nephi 8 Dr. Wynn concluded that the evidence described followed the exact pattern of volcanic eruptions. The pattern is followed in every detail in 3 Nephi 8.
Former member here and thank God my mom used to drop me off at Sunday school at the local Baptist church when I was a kid. The Mormon church is very good at hiding a lot of facts but even so after 3 years in the church I was able to identify the deception thanks to having learned the truth as a child.
The church doesn't hide anything. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth.
@@dylanwilliams2202 cope, Kinderhook plates
Are proof you are mislead
@@dylanwilliams2202 Truth can be very painful...I am sorry you are mixed up in a cult. I said a prayer for you.
@@debhart769 Lol The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has the truth. This video is full of lies and half truths. I will copy and paste what I have said about it on other comments.
In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since.
This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, *save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.”* In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah *except* the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates *are not* buried.
The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america
To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD.
The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered.
youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s
At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie.
Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses.
ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came
sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses
At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant.
At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous.
At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change.
At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says.
Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document.
You tagged me in another comment but I am responding here, to answer your question Jesus was born in Bethlehem. You also asked for evidence so here is some for you: In the beginning of the Book of Mormon, a family travels south as they leave Jeruselam. It says that they came to a river. They stayed there for a while and then moved along, however they didn’t use fire. We now know that the Frankincense Trail was a trade route that people traveled on and what was being traveled down in the Book of Mormon. Fires were the way to identify where somebody was and there were marauders and robbers that would attack and rob along that route.
In the story Ishmael dies and was buried in a place called Nahom. He didn’t die in Nahom but he was buried in Nahom. Lehi said the place which was called Nahom which matters because he was naming these other things and places but not this one. Archaeologists discovered south of Jerusalem and along this trail an altar that says the city of “NHM”. There’s no vowels in Hebrew so Nahom is one of the prime candidates of what NHM would stand for. It dates to the time of Lehi and it was a burial place. Also, Nahom in Hebrew meant to mourn which is something Joseph Smith wouldn’t have known at the time.
Then the family went east to Bountiful. Bountiful is described in the Book of Mormon as Fertile, with much fruit and honey, possibly game, enough timber to build a durable ship, freshwater year-round to enable a prolonged stay, a nearby mountain described as ‘the mount’, and cliffs were available. Nephi’s brothers could threaten to cast him into the sea. Ore and flint were available. The winds and ocean currents there could permit travel out into the ocean. In Joseph Smith’s day, there was no place like that in any map available to him. However there is a place in the Qara Mountains of southern Oman in what is known as the Dhofar region that has all that is described that is east of the Nahom I mentioned earlier.
In the story Nephi’s bow broke. The steel composite in bows from Jerusalem that they would have used would have in the arid climate in the Arabian desert been stressed and could have broken. Nephi also makes a new wooden bow from a steel bow. If you look closely at the text it says that Nephi made new arrows too. With steel bows you have to have short arrows because it’s tighter, the string tautness versus a wood bow has more flex, so you need a longer arrow. Something only an Archer would really know.
The Book of Mormon tells us one of King Zedekiah’s sons was named Mulek and he escaped and came to the new world. The Bible says that Zedekiah and his sons were killed by King Nebuchadnezzar II during the Babylonian captivity. There’s no mention of anyone named Mulek in the Bible. We learned from the Book of Mormon that there was one that escaped there. A stamp seal of a royal figure was found in the 1980s by archaeologists digging in Jerusalem. It’s dated to the exact time of Zedekiah. And it’s written in Paleo-Hebrew and it calls the royal figure Malkiyahu, son of the king, which would have been Zedekiah as of that date. One of the shortened Hebrew variants of this name would be Mulek.
This doesn't even cover all of it for the Church and I had to delete some of it because my comment was to long. I found God's truth and is found fully in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The Book of Mormon is a true witness of Jesus Christ and tells of ancient people who lived on this continent. You don't have the truth. To put it bluntly, the gospel every other Christian denomination teaches is a watered down version of what God's and Jesus Christ true gospel really is and is filled with paganism. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Read the real Bible for yourself (not man-made religion), and God will pull you out of that cult. Unless you're just a tool for satan intentionally trying to cause confusion for others seeking the truths.
Raised Generational Mormon: left when Holy Spirit spoke to me @17. I am now Christian, ministry & discipleship trained. Praise Jesus for Your clear message. God bless you & Expedition Bibles Ministry, may it flow forth to water God's people.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the bible better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
Hello, that is nice, I believe the Book of Mormon is a lie. There is no mention of someone, who would be under Elijah's Spirit as John the Baptist, Christs predecessor.
Moroni, who was supposedly the last to write this fake "Gospel", lived supposedly after another 4th century fake prophet Mormon.
So those accounts speaking of direct Christs revelations, prior to "discovery" of those plates are kind of strange.
It is not even complementary with the Bible.
BTW I suggest to read something from Irenaeus of Lyons, not all, or his pupils to add some more light on who Christ is. - 1. Timothy 1:17
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@@dylanwilliams2202quiet cultist. You worship Satan not Jesus Christ. You created your own god
The Holy Ghost doesn't turn you away from the one true church of Jesus Christ. John 3:5... without baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost one CANNOT enter the kingdom of God. Which church do you think you are going to get baptized into and where do you suppose you are going to find the priesthood outside the one true church of Jesus Christ? The Church of Jesus Christ comes with direct confirmation of it's truth right from God. ALL true disciples of Jesus Christ in the one true church can perform miracles. In fact those in tune with the Holy Ghost can literally walk through public and pick members of the one true church out of a crown from all those who are not just based on who has the spirit of God with them. The spirit of God is so obvious and unmistakable it's very easy to see. Anti-Christ encourage people to follow arm of flesh ideas of man like this video instead of God. Notice that nowhere did they encourage people to follow God. Nope they instead encourage people to follow the lies of man and to ignore God. Also notice that anti-Christ almost CAN'T say the name of the true church correctly. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. See if you can find anywhere even once that the followers of the devil that hates the truth uses the correct name. Nope. They can say ANY name of any false religion but notice none of them use the true name of the one true church of Jesus Christ. The devil knows all too well which church is true so he fills people with contention and hate for the truth where they literally HATE to say the name correctly.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Christ Jesus has Not returned yet, thus, the Gospel has Not Been (yet) restored. Acts 3:21-22, 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Questions about the validity of the Bible? Go read my Other Response Post. God bless you, Jeremiah 33:3.
I love this stuff! I was raised a Mormon and fortunately God saved me out of that cult.
Praise God, most default to agnosticism/atheism.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@@dylanwilliams2202 no no no. Jesus Christ said: “It is finished”. John 19:30 He accomplished everything His Father had planned on the cross and out of the tomb. Just look deeply into the life of Joseph Smith. He’s no Jesus. Joseph Smith was a very deceptive and manipulative individual; an agent of demonic influence on the easily influenced. Jesus said to His disciples: He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Mark 16:15 He said wait on the helper, the Holy Spirit, not Joseph Smith!
@@dylanwilliams2202 Did you even watch this video with all the evidence? Not trying to be disrespectful, but good grief, it's crystal clear there is no factual evidence whatsoever to support LDS.
@@hismercysavessallysue5927 _"Did you even watch this video with all the evidence?"_ Evidence? What evidence? This video is complete garbage and is full of lies. This video is either really old or the guy is blatantly ignorant or lying. For someone who criticized me for commenting on multiple comments, how did you miss me refuting this video.
Here is what I said about it: In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since.
This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.” In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah except the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates are not buried.
The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america
To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD.
The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered.
youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s
At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie.
Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses.
ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came
sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses
At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant.
At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous.
At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change.
At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says.
Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document.
The Book of Mormon is true and tells of ancient people who lived on this continent who witnessed Jesus Christ being the Son of God, our Lord and our Savior. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. There is no evidence that refutes us, only lies that are meant to lead people away from God's and Jesus Christ's true Church. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
My dad who I don’t believe is saved invited Mormons into our house yesterday. Nevertheless, I asked them “do you guys believe in saved by grace?” The woman’s response was, “we’ll tell you tomorrow.” I was like “that’s a yes or no question” and to make a long story short they never showed up. I been watching videos on them & I can now see why they didn’t show up. God is protecting my household from false doctrine & I pray over my family. I believe my dad has itching ears and would like to have another way to be saved. True believers saved by grace, please pray for me and my family & I will do so as well if you ask of me in the comment section. We can have a prayer section under my comment 🙏🏽💖
Baloney!! A Latter-day Saint, especially a missionary, knows LDS believe "we are saved by grace, after all we can do"!!
As an ex-Mormon with a degree in history, I want to thank you for this very well-researched and informative video presentation.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. This video wasn't well-researched at all, I mean the first point he makes is a lie (the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon). Anyone who says that is not well informed.
@@dylanwilliams2202 I humbly understand how this could be upsetting. I really feel for how this would make someone feel. However, if you are in an unsafe place (say a burning building as an example) would it not be right and good for someone to let you know? That is the motivation behind this message, that you enter eternity in safety and well-being.
You are free to share any research backed by solid evidence that may have been missed, the object here is "what is true and why do we know it is true?"
I have watched many of Joel's videos and based on his love of the truth, I do not believe he is doing anything by any other motivation than what he spells out at the end.
May you find the peace and great satisfaction in knowing the one who is TRUTH, who is not just a set of provable facts, (although there are many substantial facts that match what is in both the Old and New Testaments) but the person of Jesus Christ as shown in the Gospels and fore told in the Old Testament.
Keep in mind we are living in the very last of the last days and time appears to be short, none of us are promised tomorrow.
@@edwarnock9884 Lol the only thing upsetting is that you other denominations say the same false and sometimes unbiblical thing over and over again and it gets annoying to have to constantly debunk the same thing over and over again. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has the truth and is God's and Jesus Christ's one and only true church here on earth.
I only watched the first few minutes of this one until he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. I haven't watched the rest of this nor am I going to watch an hour of garbage. I did that with his last video already, which was equally garbage. Make your claims and I will debunk them.
Just to start, the Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since.
This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, *save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.”* In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah *except* the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates *are not* buried.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Ok, here's a claim: the book of the Mormon is factually incorrect because of anachronistic claims like horses, steel and coinage being in the Americas centuries before Europeans arrived. What would you say?
@@dylanwilliams2202 Where did the horses of the BOM go? There is zero evidence of horses in Ancient North America. Where are the bones of these horses?
I'll never forget the first time I got an LDS family member to come to my protestant church. She had been questioning the LDS faith and had started to believe in the Jesus of the Bible. We had the Lord's Supper on that day and she asked if she could take it as well. I simply asked "Well, do you put your faith alone in Jesus Christ and believe that He is the only path?" She said "Yes" so I told her then of course she could and she burst into tears because she had never felt so accepted into anything or ever had it be that simple after all the shame and guilt. Today she is a professing Christian and is looking into removing her records from the church and I couldn't be more proud of her. I can't wait to share this video with LDS friends, any prayers for the LDS community here in Utah would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for this video!
We believe in the true God and Jesus Christ of the Bible. Jesus Christ who is Lord (Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Philippians 2:11) and the Son of God (Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 10:36, John 20:31), who is our mediator with God (1 Timothy 2:5), who said that God the Father is greater (John 14:28) and that God was his God (John 20:17), who wanted us to be one with Him and God as they are with each other (John 17:21-23). To us there is one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6).
You believe in a pagan and unbiblical version of God and Jesus Christ made popular by the christian creeds, this 1 entity in 3 personages or this 3 entity in 1 personage thing. You believe they are 3 in one and the same but also separate and distinct but also the same yet not also. God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33) and that is confusing and illogical. You can’t have 3 persons in one being just like you can’t have one piano playing 3 songs at the same time. There is no verse in the bible to back up your pagan belief and to explain it you have to use sources that came centuries later. Your triune god is a false god, how do you not see the paganism in your belief?
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has the truth. This video is full of lies and half truths. I will copy and paste what I have said about it on other comments.
In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since.
This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.” In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah except the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates are not buried.
The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america
To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD.
The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered.
youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s
At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie.
Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses.
ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came
sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses
meridian.allenpress (dot) com/tjs/article/74/1/Article%205/487323/POST-PLEISTOCENE-HORSES-EQUUS-FROM-MEXICO
At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant.
At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous.
At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change.
At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says.
Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the bible better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you
God bless your female relative! There is freedom and joy in Christ !
@@dylanwilliams2202 Your sect has nothing to do with the Bible and literally did not exist until the 1820's. My Catholic Church is responsible for the Bible. The apostles spread the faith from as far to the west as Spain and to the east as India. ALL of those apostolic Churches are Catholic and exist today. St. Bartholomew - Armenian Catholic. St. Thomas - Syro-Malabar Catholic. Saints Peter & Paul - Roman Catholic. St. Mark - Coptic Catholic. St. Andrew - Byzantine Catholic. St. Jude - Chaldean Catholic, etc...
The canon of scripture was set at the Council of Rome in 382 under the leadership of Pope Damasus I. The term "New Testaemnt" comes from Tertullian of Carthage. The word 'Bible" comes from Pope Siricius. Catholic bishop Stephan Langston is who later divided the Bible into chapters. The Early Church Fathers were bishops who succeeded the apostles and were all Catholic.
“The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.’ . . . On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all the apostles are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he should desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?”- St. Cyprian of Carthage (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251]
YOUNG STUDENTS LEARNING ENCYLOPEDIA vol.15, p.2292： “For the first 1,000 years of Christianity, all Christians belong to the Catholic Church.
ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA vol. 15, p. 985： “The Catholic Church is an organization founded by Jesus Christ in Jerusalem in the year 33 AD..”
THE NEW BOOK OF KNOWLEDGE ENCYCLOPEDIA p. 287： “The Roman Catholic Church started it’s history in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago as the original disciples of Christ gathered in the upper room waiting for the Holy Spirit to come. The day in which the Holy Ghost came is the birthday of the Catholic Church.”
MERRIAM-WEBSTER’S ENCYCLOPEDIA OF WORLD RELIGIONS 1999 edition, p. 932： “The Roman Catholic Church is a Christian Church with a highly developed doctoral and organizational structure. It can trace it’s history back to the original Apostles of Christ in the first century.”
GROLLIER ENCYCLOPEDIA volume V, p. 106： “The Catholic Church is from the Greek which means “universal”. It is a divine society founded by Christ endowed by the outpouring of the Holy Ghost on the day of Pentecost.”
COMPTON’S ENCYCLOPEDIA 1996 edition： “The Catholic Church is the largest Christian denomination that has always existed since the first century and is the only original and true Christian Church in history.”
YOUNG STUDENT’S ENCYCLOPEDIA volume 17, p. 261： “The Roman Catholic Church is the most ancient Christian denomination having its root in the first century.”
COMPTON’S ENCYCLOPEDIA AND FACTS INDEX vol. 20, p. 2024 ： “There were no separate sects or branches of Christianity as there are today. The word Catholic is Greek “katholis” meaning “universal”, a Church where all Christians belong for the first one thousand years of Christian history.”
THE NEW WEBSTER’S DICTIONARY OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, INTERNATIONAL EDITION p. 155 ： “The Catholic Church is the original Christian Church before the schism of the Church between East and West and the division of the Reformation.”
The Church of LDS is equivalent to Scientology and Islam. Totally made up by a lunatic with no actual historic basis
@@dylanwilliams2202 Which version of the truth? Most Mormons dont even know how many textual changes to the BOM there have been. So do you believe in the trinity as Joseph initially did or Do you believe God is just an exalted man with his own planet and we are his spirit babies? Because the bible (old and new testament). clearly describe God as he described himself. Which is that God himself does not have a body and is so pure that we sinners cannot see him it would cause or destruction. So God has the Holy Spirit and his Physical form in Jesus the Christ. Jesus is God in the flesh not a child of god or sibling of Satan. But you can keep believing in the guy that was convicted of fraud for using his stone and hat to con people out of money under the guise of finding treasure. Dont forget that joseph Smith use to perform animal sacrifices as part of the process to find these treasures he said he had the power to find. Almost forgot the one time Joseph said it would require a human sacrifice to find the treasure. Yep clearly sounds like a man of God.
such a great video!!!
i noticed many comments from former Mormon church members who have since left the Mormon church! Praise God for bringing you all out!
Books of Mormons is a false writings . Holy Bible is the breath of God
Amen! Praise God!!
You helped save millions of people who are Mormon. Thank you so much.
This is such an important message, as a former member of the Morman church I pray this will awaken those still following the book of morman as to the truth . I am so thankfull that the Lord led me away from it and brought me back to him through reading my scriptures .
I echo your thoughts. I to was deceived. Praise God for showing me truth
I too was led to be a member of the LDS Church.
I was approached by the members of the church during a very low time In my life ,
where I was needing comfort, & direction which they provided.
During my investigation of the church I began to have great doubts of the truth of the LDS church.
When I had questions, they had no answers.
Their answer would be to my questions, everything is through faith, which made me doubt myself.
Only during a confrontation during a church service, did I make the choice to take my children and myself out of the Church. & Never went back.
However I have yet to have found a church to fulfill my needs of Christ
I determined I don't need a building over my head to worship the Lord. However I still need the, fellowship of other Christians.
@Mamagoose I have you in my prayers. May God continue to bless you and guide you. You and your children 🙏
@@employme2 The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the bible better than any other denomination. Not everyone can answer "gotch ya" off the top of their heads, so ask me these questions and I will answer them.
God bless
I'm a retired Christian Apologist. Your website is one of the finest! I greatly encourage our churches and Christians to support your work and to use your resources. God be with you! (Jude 3)
Why did you retire?
That's Wonderful. TRUTH WORKS‼️
there is a difference between retiring from a job and retiring from God, my father is about to leave the ministry as a preacher after 30 years. Let's thank these people for devoting their lives to God and continue to pray for them!!! @@1catinhat
I literally just finished your Bible prophet vs mormon "prophet" video with my 11 year old daughter. I'm a former member and she has member in the family. Used your video to help her discern. And now this video! You are such a blessing your videos are amazing! Will watch this today for sure.
That video is garbage and so is this one. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the bible better than any other denomination. Rejoin God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and rejoin their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
Did anybody tell you that two book of Mormon localities have been found? Recently Nehom was excavated exactly where the book of Mormon describes it and the name Nehom was carved into the ancient stone in the excavation. The non Mormon archiologists described as a burial sight. Joseph Smith had no possible way of knowing this long buried excavation existed much less identified its completely unknown location 200 years before it was discovered. The archiologists now declare it was a burial sight exactly matching the book of Mormon. To make it more impossible the book of Mormon declares that Lehi traveled east from Nehom and discovered bountiful a small tropical spot with fruit trees surrounded by hundreds of miles of desert. This has been strongly criticized for years. You don't find a place that looks like the Hawaiian islands growing edible fruit in the middle of a major desert. Yet, exactly seen on line, you can now see this exact place and pinpoint exactly where it is identified in the book of Mormon. Virtually unknown to any map found in Joseph Smith's time or over even a hundred years after. What are the odds? Did the author above deliberately not include many such discoveries that now support the book of Mormon? He mentioned no barley existed at the time of Nephi. Did he not know that ancient Barely has been recently found and documented precisely growing at the time of the Nephites?. Why did he also ignore that horse bones were just discovered by non Mormon archiologists dated back to Nephi No elephants existed in America? Why did he ignore that elephant bones were discovered with arrow heads embedded in the bones? Elephants don't shoot arrowheads at each other! The new DNA evidence that disproves anti Mormon claims and much more! Why quote archiology 49 years ago to make a current video and deliberately ignore new discoveries? The number one rule of all archiology is that just because something has not been dug up yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You keep digging! How come he ignores the new discovery in the Bible where all of the timelines God gave to Daniel in the Bible add exactly to every one of Joseph Smith's restoration dates? Grab your Bible and calculator and see grade school easy math.
Here are new discoveries that are being deliberately held back from you. Link UTube titled... "LDS transaction law suit part 1 -4" must get there by the exact name of Paul Gregersen to get there. Anti Mormons just lost a transaction law suit as the evidence failed in a court of law!
The Bible timeline God put in your Bible that strikes Joseph Smith and the church restoration 7 times exactly. Link UTube ( BOA ep 16) by Paul Gregersen to get there again!
@@paulgregersen3570 everything coming from Joseph Smith has to be discredited. The foundation was already laid by Paul and there is no more foundation. Revelation makes it clear that nothing shall be added to the writings that were written after John's book.
This was excellent and didn't even go into the theology. I've met many Mormons over the years. They were all very nice. My heart and prayers go out to them.
Were they also nice to darker skinned people?
The Mormons I've dealt with double down as authentic. Horse's 😅 and yet how did they miss the reintroduction of the horse by the Spanish.
@@Gray_193-x9v Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses.
Would love to give links but UA-cam doesn't like them but you can find science articles talking about them.
@@dylanwilliams2202 That's true, and the Missionaries brought that up the timeline that they disappear though was from 13,000 - 15000 years ago. What about all these big cities listed in the Book of Mormon, nobody seems familiar with them.
@@Gray_193-x9v You didn't read my comment very well.
Archeologist are have found and are continuing to find evidence of horses during Book of Mormon times or from 600 BC - 400 AD.
I am not sure what you mean by "Nobody seems to be familiar with them" because that makes absolutely no sense. If you are meaning that we don't know where the cities are then sure. It wasn't until 2018 with the LIDAR System that it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that have yet to be explored and that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Us not knowing where Zarahemla or any other major city talked about in the Book of Mormon is at the moment isn't that big of a deal.
In the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water that they called Samabaj. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD.
I’m praying tonight for God to loosen the bondage of these false teachings and turn Mormons to Jesus. And for your ministry Joel.
Mormon, scientology, seventh day Adventsist, universal church of Christ, Jehovah witness,
- Sects that got it wrong, yet lead their innocent followers to wrong belief, encouraging false teachings and false sense of salvation.
Shame on the leaders and bishops who know the truth yet insist on teaching falsehoods for the sake of control and ego. M
@@mwatts-riley2688 my mother is still trapped in the false Jehovah's Witness religion. Her name is Torree. Please pray for God to open her eyes to the truth of Jesus.
This was a very difficult video to make… I see it in the presenters eyes. I commend these guys for having the faith and courage to present these facts that lead to only one truth. May those following the Book of Mormon hear these words and accept the facts that have been presented.
There are no facts in this video. In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since.
This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.” In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah except the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates are not buried.
The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america
To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD.
The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered.
youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s
At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie.
Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses.
ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came
sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses
At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant.
At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous.
At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change.
At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says.
Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document.
The Book of Mormon is true and tells of ancient people who lived on this continent who witnessed Jesus Christ being the Son of God, our Lord and our Savior. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth.
@@dylanwilliams2202 My friend, indeed you’re spiritually blinded. You can’t see the truth because you hardened your heart and won’t acknowledge the only true God, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 🙏
People in false religions like Catholicism, Mormonism, Islam, Jehovah Witness, etc. are spiritually blind.
2 Corinthians 3:16 But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
@@geness2914 The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination.
You saying I am spiritually blind with no argument backing it up doesn't mean anything.
Matthew 22:29 "Jesus answered and said unto them, “Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God."
@@dylanwilliams2202 so you’re telling me, that these men, who got into their field of study to prove the church correct and failed miserably and along with a many Mormon apologists and told the truth, are wrong and some troll like you on UA-cam is right? I’ve seen your comments and you’re in major damage control. I was Mormon and you don’t teach the Bible well at all. You put the Bible in the hands of unqualified personnel and they give their interpretation of scripture according to what they pray about in their heart. Key word there. Now the members of the church are wonderful people. I’m sure you’re a wonderful person as well. But I’m sorry, this is not the gospel. We are saved by faith through the lord Jesus Christ. Period. Not by obeying the laws and ordinances of the gospel. Because if that is a saving ordinance then your salvation is unattainable and our Lord died in vain. It’s so freeing to realize that Jesus was perfect so you wouldn’t have to be. Read the Bible and become a serious student of the Bible. Read it like a child. Which is Biblical. Not like a scholar. May the Lord Jesus bless you and the Holy Spirit manifest through the word of the Almighty God and convict you to turn to the true Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Praise God for this wonderful documentary!
I’m always blown away at the quality of the videos on this channel. This one looks older but still terrific content and quality, thank you for sharing!
agree
1 of the best! Hands down
Yea this is all out-dated information and is refuted by newer findings. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the bible better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Oh, did they find remains of the ancient cities?
@@dylanwilliams2202 you’re once again lying. As your cult does. Those cities are much later than the lamenites. Also, still wrong plants and wrong animals. Safe to say that you will do anything but admit that you follow a lie from satan. Repent and believe the true gospel not some silly adulterer’s fan fiction
I have a friend who is Turkish who became a LDS. I just realized that UA-cam has the ability to make subtitles in various translations! Super tool. I will send this to him. thanks.
He should know that Turkiye has an ancient history as Asia Minor, Anatolia, Thrace and Byzantium with each period of time and empire having its own distinctive archeological evidence corresponding to recorded history. Mormonism as a collection of historical claims with such archeological evidence. There's easily 2000 years of archeology in Turkiye that matches written history which shows there's always physical evidence and no civilization in human history have ever erased themselves.
Turkey used to be a Christian nation before ISLAM. Although there still are Christians and freely worship. There also are Islamic Jews in Turkey. Why because of Moses and Abraham. People of Islamic faith are half Jewish.
INCREDIBLE HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION !!!!!!! Lord Jesus I pray eyes & hearts are opened to YOUR TRUTH 🙏🙏🙏
LOL There is no historical documentation in this video, this video is full of lies and half truths.
In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since.
This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.” In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah except the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates are not buried.
The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america
To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD.
The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered.
youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s
At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie.
Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses.
ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came
sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses
meridian.allenpress (dot) com/tjs/article/74/1/Article%205/487323/POST-PLEISTOCENE-HORSES-EQUUS-FROM-MEXICO
At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant.
At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous.
At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change.
At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says.
Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document.
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I recently purchased your book “Where God Came Down” I can’t wait to read it! Love your content🙏 thank you for continuing to spread the word through your findings
I bought it ! Its great stuff! I use it all the time to show the Bibles historical evidence to my Mormon friends
A hidden gem of a documentary! Excellent editing, cinematography, interviews... this should have way more views!
This one is great for helping Mormons come out of their false ideas.
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@@dylanwilliams2202 you didn't watch the video?
@@jjoseedlopez couldn't tag you and have the comment go through, read above
@@dylanwilliams2202All you have are these worthless claims, show some actual evidence and maybe people will stop laughing at you and what you believe in.
@@micahkemper4581 Bruh, I sent this almost a year ago.
I have under this video multiple comments that goes through and debunks this video and provides evidence of the Book of Mormon. There are many people within the Church that have debunked this video and/or the claims presented in this. There are also many channels that go through evidence of the Book of Mormon. Maybe look at both sides instead of blindly believing one and then maybe you evangelicals won't look ignorant all the time.
As someone who just purchased Joels book , if you enjoy these videos you'll enjoy it. Sometimes you really cant beat a book. The detailed illustrations and maps give a great study tool.
Joel, it was so nice meeting you last week at Abu Alis home.. we were with Chips tour group. Your videos have helped us tremendously and our tour of the Holy Land and archeology was mind blowing. So thankful to be able to test all things and hold on to those which prove true.
BIBLE all day every day.
Hi
Which must include the 1st Book of Enoch as it was part of the Dead Sea Scrolls rediscovered in 1947 and Moses Peter and Jude quoted from it VERBATIM. Ethiopian Bible never removed it!
Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua returning soon to reign over the world from Jerusalem.
@@toosiyabrandt8676 Which version of The Book Of Enoch? For the two older versions found in the Dead Sea Scrolls are very different from the one from the Ethiopic Bible.
The way I see it, if God can create all of us and the universe.. I’m pretty sure
He got the Bible just the way He wants it.
Yes the Bible. For the Jesus Christ of the Bible is not the Trinity created by man. Jesus said "It is written in your Law that the testimony of two men is true, I am one who testifies of me, and my Father..." So Jesus and God are two separate men according the Bible. We are told in the Bible that God cannot lie, and God called men gods who had received his word, and Jesus Christ affirmed it when he said "And if He called them gods unto whom the word came, and the word cannot be broken, then why say ye that I blaspheme because I said that I am the Son Of God?" So men become gods when they receive God's word, and Jesus Christ and God are separate men. But wait, we are told repeatedly that there is only one God. And that is true, for as man is plural for all mankind, so God is plural and encompasses multiple generations. "That they may be one, even as we are one." "That they also may be one in us." All one God, yet separate men. For Jesus Christ "Thought it not robbery to be equal with God." And "He(Jesus Christ) was MADE in the express image of His(God's) person." Any church that doesn't teach a Jesus Christ that is separate physically, yet equal to God, is teaching a different Jesus, and should be rejected.
@@bobmcalister2131 True. Unfortunately man kept changing it. Did you know that the story of the woman taken in adultery isn't even mentioned in notes before the 12th century? Does that mean it wasn't in the original Gospel Of Luke? Not necessarily. It was probably removed for a while, until an old version that no longer exists, or is buried in the Vatican vault, was found, and it was restored.
Excellent presentation. Very well organized. You unfold the missing pieces of this belief in a way that is kind to those lost in it. Hopefully, they will realize and discover the true Jesus.
This was nothing short of excellent. I pray that God will use this and me to show the Mormons that they are following a false religion.
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@@dylanwilliams2202 WOW, maybe you should watch the video. Then you would have a different perspective.
@@Leonardokite I only watched the first few minutes of this one until he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since.
This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, *save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.”* In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah *except* the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates *are not* buried.
From what others have said about this video it makes the claim that there is no cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says.
To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD.
There is plenty of evidence for the Book of Mormon and as time passes more and more that is said in it gets proven to be accurate.
The Book of Mormon is true and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@@dylanwilliams2202 That's interesting. I guess the Mormons that built the visitor center at Cumorah we're confused. Imagine that lol. Did they get some new gold plates?
@@dylanwilliams2202 now go watch the complete video and then express your opinion.
I love your book, the one I have ' Where God came Down ' . As I've shared in my small circle of ' believers', their reaction is less than what I would had expected. However, HE is returning sooner than most will comprehend or are
willing to accept.
As I share , my faith grows so much more in Christ.
You have done and continue to do an enormous work in Christ ....
Item: I watched your conversation with your Mormon friend...and still they refuse the love of God, the Christ.
God Bless you & team !
Well Done! I live in an area of heavy LDS influence. I have many LDS friends. I can attest that they are wonderful people. What a evil act to deceive so many people. We recently held and apologetics presentation comparing the book of Mormon the the Bible, we did have 3 LDS members attend. Our prayer is that they will see the truth and come to a real relationship with the real Jesus. Thank you for putting this video together and sharing it with the world.
We believe in the true God and Jesus Christ of the Bible. Jesus Christ who is Lord (Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Philippians 2:11) and the Son of God (Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 10:36, John 20:31), who is our mediator with God (1 Timothy 2:5), who said that God the Father is greater (John 14:28) and that God was his God (John 20:17), who wanted us to be one with Him and God as they are with each other (John 17:21-23). To us there is one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6).
You believe in a pagan and unbiblical version of God and Jesus Christ made popular by the christian creeds, this 1 entity in 3 personages or this 3 entity in 1 personage thing. You believe they are 3 in one and the same but also separate and distinct but also the same yet not also. God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33) and that is confusing and illogical. You can’t have 3 persons in one being just like you can’t have one piano playing 3 songs at the same time. There is no verse in the bible to back up your pagan belief and to explain it you have to use sources that came centuries later. Your triune god is a false god, how do you not see the paganism in your belief?
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I have learned so much in this video! Thank you so much for sharing! It’s literally mind blowing!
I pray that this can reach others, and that it does not fall on deaf ears.
I was raised Catholic. I have been a protestant pastor for 30 years. This video is excellent. I'm grateful for your efforts. Bless you.
Tell me, who is Jesus?
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Amen! John 8:58 He is the Great I AM!!
@@shadowleader5gd477 The Son of the Living God, Who came to redeem us from our sin, and offer us eternal life in Him.
I was raised protestant and now I'm Catholic. The Catholic Church considers the protestants Christian as well, except for the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. =)
Exceptional, as usual. I began my walk of faith by seeking evidence, real evidence, of Yeshua as an historical person first, and went from there. The evidence is overwhelming. Dr. Kramer's work is scholarly and exemplary. His videos have strengthened me over the years.
Joel, please consider coming on our podcast and discussing this important work. We’d love to have you on!!
A great start to my Friday. Thank you for this content I’ll be consuming it throughout the day 😀
Watched the other video before this one on Mormon and the test of a prophet. As an LDS member, both of these videos has hit hard to me that now I have to step away from the church to take a good look at it again. I can not deny what is spoken of in both of these videos.
God bless you.
Fantastic Truth, Thanks to all in this production endeavor!
Finally got a chance to finish this video, and wow. I watched the Prophet Test video first and this really just helps me discern that only The Holy Bible is necessary for Salvation through Christ Jesus. I can see now that Joseph Smith fabricated The Book of Mormon, and I am grateful to have this weight lifted off my shoulders! Now, if I could just get my folks to listen and understand all this!
Great presentation, thank you for sharing!
I've always enjoyed history and historical discoveries.
I came to Christ after reading the bible and noticing a lot of mention of historical figures and locations. And I was fascinated to start finding so much archeological and scholarly and historical evidence for so much of the biblical accounts.
So naturally, when coming into contact with Mormon missionaries and getting into learning the book of Mormon and the history behind it, I was curious to the historical and archeological support.
And naturally....I was extremely disappointed.
Even their writing is said to have conveniently been whisked away into heaven.
Meanwhile you can recreate the entire new testament just from manuscript copies that have been discovered and preserved.
I don't mean it as an insult, but from my reading it and study, the Book of Mormon is a spurious fanfiction written by Joseph Smith.
Thank you for this documentary. I learned a lot.
A very important topic , Thank you for your in-depth investigation. Truth is everything
LOL, there is no in-depth investigation in this video.
In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since.
This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.” In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah except the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates are not buried.
The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america
To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD.
The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered.
youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s
At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie.
Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses.
ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came
sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses
At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant.
At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous.
At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change.
At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says.
Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document.
The Book of Mormon is true and tells of ancient people who lived on this continent who witnessed Jesus Christ being the Son of God, our Lord and our Savior. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth.
@@dylanwilliams2202 are you an alias of quakko?
@@sheliabryant3997 Do you mean Kwaku? and No, I am very much a white guy.
Amazing as always! Thank you 🌹
Amazing presentation, and yet sensitive to the plight of those who are in this position. Keep shining the Father's love!
No, this is a horrible video and has no facts in it. In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since.
This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.” In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah except the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates are not buried.
The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america
To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD.
The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered.
youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s
At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie.
Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses.
ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came
sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses
At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant.
At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous.
At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change.
At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says.
Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document.
The Book of Mormon is true and tells of ancient people who lived on this continent who witnessed Jesus Christ being the Son of God, our Lord and our Savior. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Get away from His flock, wolf. You are not welcome here.
@@arturofuente4832 You going to go and just make ad hominem attacks?
Wanna know an interesting verse of the Bible? John 13:35.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Way to go, wolf. You have learned a Scripture verse. If you are ever ready to know Truth, let me know. Until then, LEAVE HIS FLOCK ALONE, WOLF!
@@arturofuente4832 The one who needs to leave his flock alone is you. Personal attacks aren't an argument. You are nothing but a child bud, say something of value. Or don't and keep throwing a tantrum lol.
Dr. Murphy was my anthropology teacher in Washington in 2002. Awesome dude and a great teacher. We used to call him The Murph
Well done brother, thank you for your labor of love.
You did a real good job with this comparison.
Yay an expedition Bible upload !
All ways a good day when you upload!
It still astounds me what nonsense people will choose to believe when they deny the truth.
Like those who made this video, and all of the foolish people who blindly accept these lies without making the effort to learn the truth for themselves. All those who have sincerely sought a witness that The Book of Mormon is true, have received such a witness. Beware, lest ye find yourselves fighting against God.
@@Ken-ej6sc The Biblical evidence record is there for all to see, unlike the Mormon record, which is non-existent. It's easy to just say something, anything, for example: "The moon is made of cheese", without a shred of evidence to back up the claim.
One cannot be told the truth, if one WILL not hear it.
@@Ken-ej6scyou need help, seek Jesus, not the twisted mockery that smith sold you.
Love these videos you put together, brother
27:15 is a moment that lives rent free in my head
EXACTLY
Thank you. You do the most awesome job of explaining things. Thank you again we appreciate what you’re doing.
Excellent video. Very helpful for witnessing to Mormons. Thanks a lot.
Galatians 18 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.:
Excellent video. Your approach to this topic is spot on. Excellent historians explaining historically known information and knowledge versus a lack on historical information from the other aspect. This video and videos like this one cannot be viewed just once but must be viewed over and over to gain a full understanding and what is being revealed. Thank you Joel and your team for all of your great videos on this channel.
I need this man to post everyday!!!! I love your videos!!! 😅
Excellently presented. I just missed the most important question: How does Mormon's Christ ensure their salvation? Christians have the cross and resurrection and the return of Christ as their immovable hope.
LDS don’t, they never know if they will go to heaven, it’s all about works and how well you do is what “level” of heaven you go to
I was babtised in Mormon by my grandpa. I haven’t been back since I was 12 and fell into rebellion! Which led me to a true Christ in the faith of Christianity
My son was married to a mormon believing girl and joined the LDS Church. He is a firm believer and the Bible is corrupt. Please pray for him and his family.
Prayers sent
Absolutely terrific work! Regarding the discovery and evidence revealing the location corroborating events at Masada, I seem to remember actually seeing clear evidence of three surrounding Roman encampments around the site. Am I correctly remembering seeing the remnants of those encampments? correctly?
This was a fair and thorough takedown of Mormonism. Completely smashing their “scripture”. Well done!
Yes, but this can be life shattering. Pray for them all to find the real truth. God bless brother.
LOL No, this is not a "thorough takedown" In the first couple of mins he said the hill Cumorah in New York is recognized as being the only place the church declares to be an official site for the Book of Mormon. Anyone who says that has not done any research at all because the official position is that the hill is not in New York. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since.
This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.” In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah except the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates are not buried.
The first 18 mins was just that there is no evidence of cities like how the Book of Mormon describes, that is a lie. Either this video is super old or the guy is just ignorant. In 2018 with the LIDAR System it was discovered that Mesoamerica has cities and large urban areas that date to the right time for the Book of Mormon where millions of people lived in, just like the Book of Mormon says. Look up the LIDAR scan over central america
To add on to that, in the Book of Mormon it says that some cities were sunk in water (3 Nephi 9:7). There is a lake in Guatemala, Lake Atitlan, where Archeologists actually discovered a city that was buried under the water. And they’ve actually gone in and found pottery from this and it’s dated to the pre-Classic period, which is 600 BC to 250 AD.
The link below adds further details on why nothing more has been discovered.
youtube (dot) com/watch?v=C3zEczFpwf0&list=PL_VwunTjPjRFtkBoNJt_ev53TaY9OPgxw&index=5&t=269s
At around 19:48 it says that the Book of Mormon describes horse draw chariots being used in battles, there is no place in the Book of Mormon that says that. That is a blatant lie.
Horses were very much in the America’s before any European came. There are many ancient paintings and even figures which archeologists think were toys that are horses. Archeologists are starting to find more and more bones of horses that date back to before any European came. Native Americans have many stories and texts that mention horses.
ictnews (dot) org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came
sciencenews (dot) org/article/native-americans-spanish-horses
At around 20:25 it says that Wheat and Barely weren't used in ancient america, which is interesting because evidence of both has been known as being used by ancient americans since the 1980s so I don't understand why they said that. Also adds on to my theory of this being super old or the guy is just plain ignorant.
At 22:34 it says that the heading of 1 Nephi 19 states that Nephi made plates, at this point in the story he was still in the middle east so this is kinda disingenuous.
At 23:07 it says that there are hundreds of records on metal plates and records but we don't have evidence for it. That would be thanks to the Spanish when they came over and conquered the america's. They took everything of value and any metal would have been of value. The Ancient Americans has a written language and it is evident on the walls of buildings and rocks. I would also like to point out that the idea of writing on metal plates was unknown in Joseph Smith's day and critics laughed at him even suggesting something like this, now it is there is no evidence in the americas which is true as of today but that could easily change.
At 24:00 it says that ancient writings have been discovered all over the land in and around Israel. That is true but most of these have only been discovered within the last 200 years. The most important being the dead sea scrolls which were discovered in the 1940s -1950s, which he says.
Alright I watched 25 minutes in and I am done for now. This video was definitely done before the LIDAR system because when those readings came out it changed how people say the Ancient American world because it showed many undiscovered cities and shown signs of highways and many more things. More and more keeps being discovered that keeps proven the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient document.
The Book of Mormon is true and tells of ancient people who lived on this continent who witnessed Jesus Christ being the Son of God, our Lord and our Savior. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth.
There will be no “reformed Egyptian” language found in any of the cities in the Amazon. None of them will match the descriptions in the Boom of Mormon. Write it down
@@BC08 Lol, people may not call it Reformed Egyptian but they will find it looks like Egyptian but different.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Olmec writing doesn’t look anything like Egyptian
It's also worth mentioning that DNA studies prove Native Americans are of Asian origin - not Jewish - and they came in multiple waves of migration over time.
Just finished watching this video what an amazing testimony of the Love of Christ you showed him just love no condemnation. Guiding him to the truth!
You have to admire men who accept truth and change their minds
Amazing work. I pray God will give you the strength and resources to continue spreading the truth. God bless you and your team.
Thank you for sharing this.I believe the Bible.I am not Judging them.The Bible is the truth Pray for those who do not understand,and maybe someone will explained it to them.God Bless in Jesus name Amen.
Excellent documentary. I've purchased several copies, sent them, and given them to several Mormons I know.
God bless your efforts
Thank you for bringing this video back
Excellent documentary! Praise the Lord!
To the content creator of this channel, I just want to say thank you so very much from the bottom of my heart. If you remember I am the street preacher who email you concerning this issue last year and ask you if you could help me with issue as I am trying my best to speak and share the truth with the LDS church in America. Thanks again brother and God bless.👍👍
Joel - thanks to you and Scott (and others) for your work in getting the truth out there for anyone to see! Some great quotes/comments from those whom you interviewed.
This is very timely and relevant - especially with the unbiblical series "The Chosen" going into the third season. This time, it's 21st century religious fiction. The writers, producers and those funding "The Chosen" have admitted publicly that they're not using the Bible for their "stories".
The LDS have found a professing Christian to be the face of the project. Unfortunately, this is diverting many away from the true gospel of Christ (just as stated at time stamp 55:45).
Thanks to those in the comments reminding all to test the spirits and reject those bringing another gospel.
I loved it so much, The way it was presented through facts. Really great work. Thanks so much for the labour of love. God bless you so much ❤
I love that this is in HD.
Wow great info! It seems it was one or a few that made their own thoughts and many did and will believe. It was interesting to see when asked about any findings they couldn’t talk
This documentary is so eye-opening! It's also extremely unbelievable to think of how many Mormons there are...that have been led astray, and that if they don't come to know the truth of Jesus Christ..... their souls will not be in heaven. To imagine all the Mormons that have past on.... is unthinkable! I pray this documentary will rip off the veil of deceit so that they will repent and turn to Jesus Christ ALONE!
Thank you, this is a true labor of love without guile, just a clear and simple presentation from the heart, I can't begin to think of the many hours you freely invested in this video
The Bible is the complete and true word of God. nothing is missing, and nothing should be added to it. It is as applicable today as it was when it was when God lead the prophets to write it. Our salvation lies only in our belief in Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour that died on the cross for our sins and rose from the dead, there's no other truth that we should follow as Christians, children of God.🙌🏼🙌🏼✝️
Great video I’m wondering if you can do something on the JW thank you.
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Matthew 18 : 20 🤫 this channel is very educational. Please share the channel with all who read this.
Amen. 🙏
Thank you, you have strengthen my belief in the Bible and Christ.
Thank you for all of your intensive research...this is excellent. I've learned so much and am better equipped to share the gospel and refute false claims.
This is not at all "intensive research". His first point he says is wrong (the Church says the hill cumorah in new york is the same one in the book of Mormon). The church does not claim that, infact quite the opposite. The Hill Cumorah in New York is not the Hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon and was not called the Hill Cumorah until the mid-1830s, long after Joseph had retrieved the plates from the hill. There’s no evidence from the 1820s and 30s that Joseph Smith ever called this the Hill Cumorah. Oliver Cowdery was the one who started calling it “Hill Cumorah” and it caught on and became the name the Saints culturally assigned to the hill. The first time Joseph Smith calls it Cumorah, which is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 128, is after the membership had already started calling it by that name, and Latter-day Saints have been calling it Cumorah ever since.
This idea came from Mormon 6:6 which says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord…” If you stop reading there, then you could say Joseph found the plates in this hill because Mormon said he buried them in the Hill Cumorah. However if you read the rest of the verse it says “…I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, *save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.”* In other words, Mormon buried all of the records he had in the hill Cumorah *except* the Book of Mormon record, which was later buried by Moroni. So the hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon is literally the place where Mormon says the golden plates *are not* buried.
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Living among the Mormons, this is a great video, very informative. Thank you for making this video.
Love watching your videos
I’ve seen countless videos about biblical history and archaeology, including many from this channel. This video is by far the best I’ve seen on this channel. I visited an LDS church prior to giving my life to Christ but never knew so much information about the inaccuracy of the Book of Mormon. I truly appreciate the time put into this.
This was a great work! Thank you so much Joel - I so appreciate your work in the Lord my brother!!!
I commute with a high level Mormon and we are good friends, and I am showing him the tremendous body of evidence for the Bible, but how does the book of Mormon compare?
The book of Mormon is a fraud. There’s zero evidence for anything that happened, it’s all fairy tale written by a ConMan Joe Smith. The Bible on the other hand is 100% truth.
Excellent work! Thank you so much for the time and resources that you invested in releaving this truth. God bless you! I was once invited to go to this church so that i could Get free food and enjoy the sports facilities. Afterwards the service began but oh my i have never been so scared. I felt as if anything I was to say would get me judged and condemed.
The heart is deceitful above all things and is desperately wicked. Jeremiah 17:9
Amen. That's why wicked men are making videos like these, and discouraging people from sincerely seeking to learn the truth for themselves.
I love the angle at which you came at the LDS church. If this historic and scientific angle was enough to do serious damage, as a teacher of the word of God, I'm 100% sure that the scriptural angle from the KJV Holy Bible will ultimately decimate them! Excellent work in this documentary. God bless!
Not sure when this video was made but good job guys!
I sure the LDS people are listening.
Wow, I had no idea about all the stuff information you covered! Thank you.
I was 17, in high school and attended a "church" where males and females were totally separated, and my pants were frowned upon. I left, and went to a mormon "church" to try it. They were all separated too, in the sanctuary, but not during sunday school. It was hectic and no one was really in charge of the youth. I just knew that both "churches" were wrong for me. Then I had this awful dream, where satan stood at my bedside offering me great wealth, if I would serve him. Soon, a Christian friend invited me to church where I immediately gave my life to Jesus. Thank God!
Absolutely love your videos. This one, and "Test of a Prophet: The Bible vs. Joseph Smith" are great at refuting the Mormon false religion. I would love to see you do a video refuting the Jehovah Witness.
Praying for all LDS members ❤
And we'll pray for you. The pure in heart will eventually be led to study both The Bible and The Book of Mormon, and will receive a witness from God that they are both true, as I have.😊
@@Ken-ej6scthey cannot both be true. The Book of Mormon clearly contradicts the Bible in areas of history, Jesus’s nature, and the gospel message. LDS must always have to answer the question: Am I doing enough to keep myself saved? Whereas Christians need only trust in the work of Christ- not our efforts.
The only true church on earth is the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The Book of Mormon was the most correct book on earth than the bible.
Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you. Deuteronomy 4:2
Excellent comparative documentary!!! I have Mormon family members that I feel compelled to speak to not sure how to approach the subject.
Just tell them that you know after doing research that Joe Smith is a con man, a false prophet, and that the book of Mormon is fairytale. There’s absolute zero historical evidence for it. God bless!
Ask them to watch the video
I could be wrong … But I am so hopeful for Greg to see the truth of the Gospel message and be set from from all this confusion.
This is excellent. I'll be sharing this will my moms neighbors - if they truly believe their faith then they shouldn't mind testing it - and they should have no qualms watching this - we'll see. Galatians 1 is enough for a normal person, but mormons are sadly deceived
Thanks brother!
Beautiful project 🙏🙏🙏👏👏