LDS Church Demonizes Doubts, Demands OBEDIENCE
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Dealing with these self-righteous, smug hypocrites is so incredibly frustrating! Being told your struggle to find answers, which didn't result in the prescribed answers, is due to your own unbelief or disobedience is so invalidating. The vast majority of us, especially those of us that are vocal about it, were not looking to leave the church. We were the most devout! We weren't looking for reasons to get out - something just came up and caused maybe a small question - and in our quest to find an answer or to confirm our faith, we found more than we initially set out to find. One rabbit hole led to another and we learned we've been misled - at best! We weren't lazy learners - we were and are the most diligent and determined seekers of truth!!
and if they aren't blaming your unbelief, it's just a test you have to endure. you don't get real answers either way.
This is so engrained in the subconscious, that even friends who were genuinely trying to understand me, started questioning what did I do wrong in the process.
If God told me the church is false (or at least didn't confirm the church is true) --> it HAS to be my fault.
Very well said and represents the experience the vast majority of faithful members who have left!
You are absolutely right about what you said about yourself, and your intentions! I admire, applaud, and highly commend you for your honesty and integrity! And I say this as a Christian!
It's a standard case of gaslighting.
You can smell the fear in that article. They know their cult is unraveling and they can't burn the printing press.
@@michaelnicholas5587 Again, you lob insults and offer nothing to counter the facts. The reasons people are asking so many questions is because Joseph Smith’s fraud is apparent to anyone capable of critical thinking, which terrifies those fossils running the cult.
@@michaelnicholas5587 There's nothing disingenuous about calling out one of the biggest cons in American history. She can support everything with historical evidence. Typically, you can't engage her on facts, so you resort to name calling.
@@michaelnicholas5587 The BoM is a fabrication of a con man that has nothing to do with canonical Christian scripture. JS made up the names of places in the book by mutating names of little towns in Ohio and NY. He ripped off Masonic temple rituals (and got kicked out of the Masons for it). He sent men off on missions and married their wives and married sisters and mothers and daughters. He did jail time for conning people with his treasure hunting scam. Plenty of Christians are baptized and have a relationship with Jesus without buying into this cultish buffoonery. And yes, there is historical evidence behind every single point I just made.
Here's a hint of truth:
The church is not god.
Prophets are not god.
Prophets are people.
"it is the same" Wonder who said that? Not god. A prophet said that, unsuprisingly.
The specifics of what you believe, you didn't get from god.
You got it from other people who said they spoke for god.
THEY told you what was doctrine.
THEY told you how to test it
YOU felt something
Or experienced something
Regardless of what you felt,
THEY said what you felt was a confirmation.
And then...
THEY told you that facts don't matter, only the "confirmation".
(Remember, YOU only felt something, THEY are the ones who labeled it a confirmation or testimony)
And then:
The original prophet cheated on his wife at least 20 times (recorded history)
- doesn't matter, you had a confirmation!
Intermediate prophet called african americans all sorts of slurs (believe me, I tried translating it and it's stomach turning
better yet, don't believe me, go look it up)
The current prophet created 13 shell companies to avoid government regulations
- doesn't matter, you had a confirmation!
(That's not even history, this is news today)
Are you committed to the TRUTH?
Or to the Church?
You can only pick one,
Choose wisely.
As one of my prophets said once
"Question everything
Or shut up
And be a victim of authority"
@@michaelnicholas5587 Facts: Joseph Smith was a conman who did jail time for it. He made up his “restored gospel”. He made up the names of places in the BoM by slightly changing the names of little towns in Ohio and NY. He claimed to be able to translate “ancient Egyptian” which has been proven to be garbage. He married sisters and mothers and daughters. He married other men’s wives. In other words, he acted whole lot like Warren Jeffs and David Koresh, who also claimed to be “prophets” and to possess “the truth”. He stole secret Masonic rituals for his temple rites (and got kicked out of the Masons for it) Mormonism has virtually no connection to canonic Christian scripture. Mormonism is not the only church that baptizes, and it definitely is not the “only truth”. Plenty of people can have a relationship with Jesus without turning off their critical minds and wearing funny underwear.
"Obedience is for dogs" YESSS!!!
I hated that phrase “doubt your doubts.” I was no longer believing by 11 because it made no sense and my questions were socially punished.
" doubt your doubts" translation: " Stick your head in the sand and keep it there" Janet
As she mentions in several videos, I went to the church's prophets and apostles to solve my questions.
Surely these wise inspired men would lead me to the truth.
What deep profound answers did they have?
"Doubt your doubts"
and
"Don't worry about it, be a good boy and do as we say"
Ironically, the prophets, seers and revelators taught me the truth:
It's false. The church is false.
What a terrible realization
But also, what a relief!
Truth will indeed set you free.
Obedience is NOT a virtue!!! Period!!! Tscc will never be virtuous, just a cult. You're the best! Keep up the good work! ❤
Thank you! ♥️
Being obedient to your own conscience IS a virtue. Being obedient to the will of another person is NOT a virtue.
@@jasonshults368 That is an excellent point! We can (and should!) be obedient to our own values, whatever they happen to be, rather than someone *else's* idea of how we "should" live our lives!
"Asking questions in faith.." translates to, "asking questions and then applying thought blocking."
Remember “Ella Enchanted”? The gift of obedience wreaked havoc in her life. And she learned that it was in her power to leave that “gift” behind.
I remember as a small child obedience to the church and at home was really emphasized, to the point where as I developed I never really knew who I was, only what I was told to believe and do. It took me until my forties and several years after leaving and deconstructing to finally get to know my real self.
Absolutely this!
I'm in the same place...41 this year and still learning who I am and want to be
We all need to get back to the basics of Jesus . I hate organized religion.
@@michaelnicholas5587 yes your right about that but it's gotten off track since then and I no longer want to be involved in it . I fellowship with a small body of believers and don't attend a actual church. We pray together and read scripture just like a real church. It's not the building that saves you.
@@michaelnicholas5587 I'm not sure I would use the word commanded. I'm a free grace believer and we aren't saved by works . That's my faith. If he commanded them to do it that would mean you could loose salvation for not attending church. Attending church is a work and we aren't saved by works. So I believe Jesus wanted and encouraged people to attend but didn't order them to.
There is hope. A preschool in Silver City, New Mexico has as their motto: TEACH CHILDREN HOW TO THINK, NOT WHAT TO THINK.
After hearing that bucket of weasel words I get why there are so many lawyers in the leadership.
Sad to see a high-control organization try to control information this way. Learning about cult control methods helped me navigate my way out of this silly, toxic organization.
I had a bishop that seemed very loving and I adored him. In a very friendly conversation in his office I told him about some of the questions I had not just about the church but about how we imagine God. He told me very calmly that I am an apostate, will no longer get a temple recommend and will not get to see my children get married in the temple. He also said that I should stop wearing the temple garments. He also said "Your spiritual death is more sad than the recent death of the teenage member of the ward, who died in an accident!" He then dismissed me. I was in total shock! I always knew him as a very kind man. A few days later he sent me a letter of apology but without taking anything back, stating that he decided that he did not intend to be a "popular bishop " and rather be a "judge in Zion". Later I found out that he treated many other ward members like that, causing many of them to leave the church and some to move out! When he eventually moved out of the state, it was without announcement and without the usual going away party.
19:22 it’s such a valid point to re-emphasize that if you pray, and you don’t get the answer that the church is true they will tell you to continue to have faith, follow the rules, and pray until you get the witness of the truth. There is no option for accepting an answer “this church isn’t true.“ or “this scripture isn’t true”
"Don't worry about it, be a good boy, be a good girl"
That's a scandalously inappropriate response in any context.
It’s good to see people talking about these things because they need to be said. I hope the LDS church sees record numbers of resignation in these coming years. I stopped going about 8 years ago but am just now getting my records removed.
I kept all the rules while dealing with crippling anxiety born from my questions and doubts. The anxiety got better when I finally gave up on reading scriptures, but I kept every other “rule”. I left permanently after an incident where I lost money after paying tithing, and I knew it was just a coincidence.
Since leaving the church, I was diagnosed with ADHD and drink coffee to mitigate symptoms. Either that or amphetam1nes. I'd be willing to bed the church would said meds instead of coffee!
I love that you are really fired up on this one. Rightfully so
The treatment I got my missionary and fellow members in the dating scene made me question things. It’s sad how the church can employ a missionary that would act interested in a investigator with the sole purpose to get them baptized then ghost them. Reprehensible behavior
That mug made me LOL! 🤣 It's crazy to me that I didn't see any of what you're talking about before I left the church. I had to leave before I could see how controlling the church was.
I feel the same way!
Skepticism is far more necessary and valuable than any bllind belief that anyone has about anything. --Sean Penn
If you obeyed everyone and everything which gave you a command, you could easily find yourself scammed, abused, and possibly enslaved. That's why obedience, in and of itself, isn't necessarily good.
13:57 I didn’t break any commandments and I was studying the scriptures, praying, wearing my garments, eating and drinking as instructed by the word of wisdom, etc and I still lost my belief, so their counsel to keep following the commandments isn’t the guarantee that the prophet and other leaders think it is.
@@michaelnicholas5587I would never do all of those things for 40+ years just to check off a list of to-dos. Everything I did was to stay close to the savior to know the will of Heavenly Father for me, to keep our family together forever. I never did one single thing in vain. I’m fact I always made sure I didn’t and if I thought I fell into that trap I would repent and recommit. I had 100% seminary attendance for all four years. My parents would threaten me with not being able to go to seminary if I didn’t get my homework done or go to bed early enough. Literally the opposite of what my friends’ parents would do.
My relationship with Heavenly Father and Jesus, and following their commandments so that I could return to them with my family was more important to me than anything else.
I remember a Brother Jake video where he talks about this.
“There’s a difference between asking questions and questionING. Asking questions is great! It’s how we progress.
So asking questions like “how can I have greater faith in Jesus” or “how can I know the church is even MORE true?” is fine! 😇
…but when you start questionING outside the premise of “the church is true” that’s bad👿”
Jesus doubted. When he was dying on the cross, he questioned why God had forsaken him. Like all humans, Jesus observed his situation, and often had questions. He also got pissed off. He did civil disobedience in the temple, when he vandalized their stalls, and drove out the moneychangers. He also got frustrated with the disciples, and wondered aloud how long he had to put up with them.
True spirituality accepts and invites doubt. Doubt is not the opposite of faith, it is part of faith. So is anger, fear, creativity, reasoning and disagreement.
One of the worst things about Mormonism and other cults is that people.are not allowed to be fully human. They are the walking dead.
to be fair, it was in gethsemane that he asked why he'd been forsaken. after supposedly taking on the sins of mankind, dying on the cross was easy. then he was pleading for forgiveness for his persecuters.
@@chlyri I was thinking of Matthew 27:46.
You mean Jesus didn't ALWAYS think celestial?????
taking away His humanity is a dangerous thing - cults excel at it
Don't argue with facts, details, and statistics. I did not know where I was heading with this statement.
its all part of that cycle that if you doubt and get the "right" answers then that's from God and you should listen but if you don't then that's satan and you shouldn't listen and it's just one big loop of self confirmation
Oh I love you! Thank you for sharing how I feel exactly! Your channel is validating my frustrating experience I’m living through right now!
So they often a feeling as proof, and then wonder why people disengage when they no longer feel it?
My name is Isaac and I was terrified as a kid after I learned the story of Abraham and Isaac. I mean sure, God stopped Abraham...but what if God told my dad to kill me and this time it was for real?
Sounds so similar to Jehovah’s Witnesses...😢
I've been learning about JWs and I see a lot of parallels
❤ you, Lexi! You’d be a great attorney; the way you prove the real truth is compelling 😌
Obedience is not a virtue!!
Thanks, Lex!
"We have absolutely no evidence that can qualify anything we're telling you, but don't let that be the reason you don't believe."
this is a huge reason i ended up leaving the church at 13. I always had lots of questions about the church cause sometimes it just directly would contradict what jesus said, and the adults in my ward didn't like my questions as a kid, to the point i'd have to ask my mom (dad was too lds to answer me) and that led to me praying about it eventually and getting a "no" answer. My mom also got unfairly excommunicated so that allowed me to actually leave and be supported by at least 1 parent, which helped me a lot.
When people would ask why i left i'd say i hate the double standards/hypocrisy of the church and i'm trying to be like jesus and the church wouldn't let me. The demand for obedience is so fuckin abusive imo
Thank you for posting this video ❤❤I think it's normal to feel so frustrated about this because it IS so fuckin frustrating
yes, independence, free thinking, critical thinking...words are powerful!
Mormon prophets are prophets until they’re not. The problem lies in lay members not knowing at the time when they’re “speaking as a prophet” and when they are “speaking as a man.” There is no mechanism available for members to differentiate. It’s only afterwards when prophets are shown to be wrong that it’s rationalized away.
But they did teach how to differentiate!
Wait, no they didn't. Sorry, my bad.
I support women's lib. Its needed, women not taking it anymore.
“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.”
Thomas Jefferson
I remember the frustration I had when I finally figured out the church isn’t true. I doubled down on everything I was supposed to do because I figured there MUST be a better answer. I lasted over a year, but there was no stopping the crumbing of everything I believed in and thought I knew. And the church had no help for me, just silly explanations that I made no sense!
Then the prophet has the gumption to get up and give a speech about, “Lazy learning.” If he had been near my when he said that he would have felt the discomfort as my gaze burned into his head….
I told my home teachers that I've tried over and over to get the answer that the church was true for the last 30 years. I was told I was praying wrong.
If I don't get their answer, then I'm the problem. That was my start to making it out. When the articles came out and the CES letter, I finally wrote Salt lake and had my name removed. It took two tries because I was single, so they told me I had to go through the Bishop, first. I didn't go to the Bishop, I wrote another letter, stating no other church would do this. Thanks, I love your content.
for real this idea of obey..do no question supports all the corruption
The article says "It's perfectly normal to feel concern and uneasiness when confronted with an unfamiliar idea...." Um....no, it's not really. People with fragile beliefs that are structured around strict black-and-white thinking will feel that way. Emotionally stable and reasonably mature people can generally feel curiosity and interest, or just apathy, when learning an "unfamiliar idea". WOW. I love how hard the writer is trying to avoid actually saying "when confronted with damning evidence that your belief system is built on lies and your entire world view is now thrown into question." THAT would of course cause uneasiness, which is what believers go through when they learn the truth.
I’m missing the intro song🥲
Me too 😔
@@ExmoLexwhat happened?
@@manu_64copyright
This video is great on all levels. Plus, you said Automotons and I immediately thought, "yes, for democracy!!" If you know, you know 🤣👍
Girl where do you get your clothes??? You always wear the cutest stuff
You are so sweet 🥹 I thrift most of my clothes!
The Church (missionaries) prey on doubts of those the teach nit ostracizes its own in the same situation. Hypocracy.
Obedience has its place, but out of context is destructive. The highest "law' is love ❤
You and the commenters have had different experiences than I have in the church. I’ve been taught not to look down on those who have doubts. I’ve been taught to reach out in empathy and love, not to judge. For me, I try to treat others as I would like to be treated as Jesus taught in Mathew 7:12 and 3 Nephi 13:12. Most members deal with doubts at one time or another. There’s a talk by Steven Harper called “Why I became a Seeker.” He’s a Church Historian and talks about doubts and how to navigate them. He doesn’t seem to demonize anyone for having doubts. In fact, he makes it sound like a normal part of life. I could give references to other talks as well. That’s been my experience. This was a BYU devotional talk in June of 2021.
Scientific Method: 1. Generate a hypothesis 2. Test the hypothesis 3. If hypothesis fails test, modify hypothesis and repeat process until it passes test. Mormon Method: 1. Generate a hypothesis. 2. Test the hypothesis 3. If fails test, repeat step 2. Mormons will be stuck between steps 2 and 3 their whole lives or until they see it for the house of cards that it is.
@@michaelnicholas5587 explain how the atonement works in your life..
But HOW does the atonement work? That doesn’t explain how Jesus suffered 2000 years ago does what to you?
Your mug is awesome! On my computer I have something similar, a folder called "Questionable Pictures" with subfolders "Big Boobies" (pictures of birds), "Cute Asses" (pictures of donkeys), "Nice Tits" (more birds), and "Very Naughty" (pictures of knots). Just a small prank for whoever goes through my data after I'm dead! 😂
Fun fact about the binding of Isaac: one of the traditional Jewish teachings about it is that Abraham failed the test. He was supposed to refuse.
Yes. You're so scary, Lex! 😱🤣♥️ Edit: Seek help from your bishop!!! 😅😂
But why do they think we have to obey their god and religion to know it’s true? What if they were wrong and Buddhism or the Egyptian gods were right? They never obeyed other religion’s commandments, so how would they know which one is right? What an idiotic way to find “truth.”
@7:04 Go tell all your network engineer colleagues that they should just have faith that the system works because you're following the standards. They shouldn't doubt whether it works, and they shouldn't test it with network communication that doesn't follow the standards.
Loved this video. Thanks!
In the Protestant denomination I grew up in, doubts are an integral part of distinguishing human teachings from eternal truths. That can only be done by individuals and often guides the Church away from bad ideas - like obedience for its own sake. We think that you can't become a mature human being as long as you're obeying other fallible mortals.
Buddha taught to question everything you are told. Even his own teachings.
God tells us in the bible to obey and keep the commandments be prayerful repent be baptized prepare for His comming pay our thithing love our enemies and much more so have you forgotten these requests come from the word of God
Don't censor your anger. The patriarchal society we live in has conditioned women that they can't express anger. We need to normalize women being able to express their anger and frustration and not be judged for it.
I disagree. Today’s society is too soft on women. They rarely get held accountable for bad behavior and it’s fact many women get lighter sentences than men on the same crime. Test this out by comparing the sentences with female teachers having sex with students to male teachers having sex with female students. It’s disgusting how easy women get off on these crimes. One recently got only probation for having sex with a male student
What an absurd series of statements.
The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints (the Mormon Church, that is)
permits examination of their beliefs and teachings, but only under their terms
and conditions! They will neither permit nor tolerate cross examination in any
form! This is contrary to the free and open critical thinking which must, by all
rights, go hand in hand with any intelligent search for truth! This also implies
that their organisation is hostile to human rights! And I am a Christian!
In response to your question, I honestly think that I have made what I said crystal clear!
They are gaslighting believers. (Nice mug!)
5:27 On the story of Abraham and Isaac: I once worked with a sweet, loving, highly religious, family man who had very severe late onset schizophrenia no one picked up on it until it was too late to stop an absolute catastrophe. He believed the voice in his head was god, and that when it told him to sacrifice his son he was doing the right thing. His son was approximately 5 years old. I was there the day his meds kicked in, and he understood exactly why he was in a maximum security psychiatric forensic facility. It was completely devastating when he looked at me and said, with full understanding for the first time, "Oh my god, I killed my son." From that moment on, he was on a 1 to 1 watch (terminal self harm) because he couldn't live with what he'd done.
The idea that baseless faith should never be questioned is one of the most terrifying components of any Abrahamic based religion. It is an idea that needs to be challenged at all times.
When I was in my late 20's I had come to realize that the lds faith most likely wasn't real and that there was almost certainly no God. That being said I continued to keep the commandments and be obedient even though I didn't believe it anymore because I had been taught "fake it till you make it". I was obedient for a whole additional year after I'd become atheist lol. Then I had the courage to leave.
Even though I don't go to the LDS church anymore, I still keep the word of wisdom. I hate the taste of tea, coffee makes me jittery, raises my blood pressure and affects my sleep at night. Also, Daniel Amen a psychiatrist does brain scans and has determined that alcohol is not good for the brain. Therefore, I don't drink alcohol. You are right about no one listening to you if you said god told you the church wasn't true. I have told people I quit going to church because I realized the church was teaching that feelings are evil. Even though the members I told this too can't really argue that the church teaches that feelings are good, they still continue to go to church.
If you don’t want or can’t drink tea/coffee or alcohol that’s totally fine. Alcohol for me makes me feel ill so I avoid it. But Daniel Amen is a total quack and his ‘brain scan’ are all BS.
@@michaelnicholas5587 I found mantra meditation in book Meditation for Dummies which benefited me immensely. Mantra meditation made it easier to feel my feelings and not act on them. Mantra meditation benefited me 10x more than scripture study, church attendance, temple attendance, etc. I am much happier after implementing mantra meditation in my life. The LDS church did not teach me mantra meditation or breath meditation where you focus on your mantra or breath and anytime your mind wanders you bring your attention back to the mantra or the breath. The LDS church also taught me to feel shame when I felt anger, jealousy, fear and/or pride. The book Meditation for Dummies encouraged me not to act on feelings, but to feel the feelings until they release or go away which is much easier after doing mantra meditation.
@@michaelnicholas5587 I recommend watching Satan's Guide to the Bible, a documentary on UA-cam about what Bible scholars learn in university about the Bible.
A fun fact about the binding of isaac story; if you learn the 4 source theory of the torah, all of the stories of isaac after the near-sacrifice are from J source, in E source the binding story is the last time he comes up. Some scholars propose this implies that in one of the original versions of the myth, he is sacrificed. It's quite possible the compilers or later hebrew people changed the story when they were trying to differentiate themselves/changing their opinions on human sacrifice at a later date
almost like this is a 3000+ year old living document where people have been changing their minds on what is or isn't moral the whole time
I would love to hear stories of your first days after leaving the church. Like the nitty gritty of what you did and how you felt🥰
very interesting.
Jesus Saved and Freed His people from Church and their Commandments of men. Me Too! 😊❤
What a sad evil church.
Ironically Mormons teach that coercion to do what’s right was Satan’s plan, and then they use so many coercive, manipulative methods in furthering their beliefs. It’s wrong.
Also, a word on faith and proof. The scriptures teach plainly that obedience to divine principles as an expression of faith is supposed to yield good fruits that confirm the divinity of said principle. I see this pattern on my own children. I want them to understand and always try to foster that, but sometimes they have to learn on their own. When my kid is about to get hit by a car, I need his exact obedience on the spot. Also sometimes kids have to learn the hard way. But over time (typically a short time) good and bad fruits manifest themselves plainly.
But the Church infantilizes its members, and never looks in the mirror when its teachings yield bad fruit. Instead, it abuses faith and applies “Satan’s plan” to keep members in traditional orthodoxy. Just in the recent GC one of the 70s explicitly put obedience above “Christian kindness.” What a scary paradigm! I thought divine principles were supposed to make good people even better, and that being a “good person” was the low bar, not something that will be in conflict with being a disciple of Christ.
I’ve got people in my ward who fit that and just can’t understand why their kids have stepped away.
Doubt your doubts helped give me ocd.
She is talking about articles written by people. This is not church doctrine. I’m lds and have had to cool my jets with people in my own ward. Yes some members are on a high horse. It’s everywhere, in every religion. Don’t let them get away with it, and I support her calling those individuals out. I don’t appreciate getting lumped in or
My faith , with a small minority of jerks. They will get what they have coming. Never attack another religion. Never attack anyone. You can defend, but don’t look to attack other Christians. We are on the same team.
Turn it off! *clap clap* like a light switch!!
Hope you are doing well Lex! I feel your frusteration in this video. Just wanted to send some good vibes to ya! 😊
What happened to that song you used to play at the start? Did RYYZN send a cease-and-desist?
As do all cults
From Italy: Obedience does not produce wisdom. In Eden God himself forced Eve to disobey His commandment in order to become wise. I know many LDS Talebans who adore obedience, but the Scriptures talk of something else. To understand the mind of God requires more than the spirit of obedience: it requires the spirit of Intelligence.
I am glad you have deleted the entrance music. It was distracting .
I think you’re the only person happy about it 😅
@@ExmoLex Lex: Please ask your followers--obnoxious & meaningless-- only thing worse is Marie Osmond's singing.
In the pre life Satan's plan and Jesus's plan were to either make man be obedient so they were guaranteed to come back to Heaven or to have free will. What you are describing in this letter is Satan's plan
Obedience is for dogs. 😂 Nice!
You do sound frustrated because this whole subject is frustrating. They've crafted a system where they can never be wrong. We're just eternally shifting the goalposts and redefining terms to preserve the system itself. As soon as something consequential changes, they go through the process again and pretend like it has always been that way.
If the mormon faith were truth beyond a reasonable doubt, then ok, bring it on. But, the first vision never happened. The BOM is patently, categorically and demonstrably NOT TRUE.
There is more than a reasonable doubt here; the whole thing comes crashing down.
marcus
First questioning is part of the faith… to research, think, ponder, ask God… For yourself! This is a core tenant of the faith. From the very beginning we had agency and we can’t learn without questioning and choosing and finding out for ourselves. Doubting and questioning are very similar. The point is are you looking for truth or looking to prove something right or wrong? Are you being objective? There is absolute truth
I disagree slightly. Obedience for the sake of obedience is not for dogs or for humans. In the same way in which you analyze the cases where your kids are obedient and otherwise, you have to analyze when and why your dog is not following orders and change your training accordingly. Many orders that you give to your dog are not understood, so obedience is impossible, and the same goes for kids. Many times you are demanding obedience in situations that completely go against the most basic instincts and desires of your dog. For example, when you walk your dog with a leash, prevent him/her from socializing with other dogs, and scold him/her for trying, you finally get your dog to be aggressive against other dogs.
We, the gregarious animals, already have a strong inclination toward obeying the authorities. What we have to teach is a thoughtful and qualified approach toward conditional obedience for the benefit of the whole group.
Just can’t leave it alone I see. Is it the $ from yt that does it for you?
ONE GOD. God loves you and wants you to know that there is only ONE GOD.
This ONE GOD created and is LORD over all the universe, stars, plants and all.
Gen.1:1 “ IN the beginning GOD created the heaven and earth. “
Isaiah 43:10 b….” Before me there was NO GOD FORMED, neither SHALL there be after me. “
God was NEVER a man, and man will NEVER BE GOD ! As the eternal God he became the God-man Jesus, to die for us, but for all eternity he was God, not man.
Psalms 90:2b ….” From everlasting ( that ‘s eternity past ) to everlasting ( that ‘s eternity future ) THOU ART. GOD !
God never progressed, earned or attained His way to being God, HE WAS ALWAYS GOD.
( The Bible mentions false gods, but to believe that other gods really exist is pagan polytheism , not Christianity . )
Clearly, there is not now, and NEVER will be, any other God on this planet or any other
“ world “ or planet. There is forever only ONE God. Men and women cannot become
Gods-none ever has, none ever will !
Isaiah 46:9b…… “ For I am God, and there is none else; I am God , and there is none like me .”
Again -43:10b…..” Before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me !!!!
What do you think ???? Understanding ????
I think that you sound like a bot and really need to watch Satan’s Guide to the Bible.
I recently found your channel and initially thought you probably had a few videos that talked about your experiences with the Morrmon Church (both before and after you left it). I now have a better understanding of the videos you make, which raises an important question: what kind of air freshener do you use? I assume that it must be exceptional. You may have even developed a specialized, homemade version for your use case. A dead horse's odor will fade over time, but the smell gets reinvigorated every time you agitate its cadaver by beating it. I grew up Methodist and have no stake in your anti-Mormon campaign. I just wanna say: we get it. You do not think the Mormon Church is morally acceptable. We read you loud and clear. You can stop scouring press releases from or about the Mormon Church, sparing you the effort of examining them in the most cynical way imaginable so you can propagandize its contents for your audience.
You can suspect what you like but I told the truth about not having any LDS affiliation. Imagine someone with a vendetta against the high school he graduated from because of some traumatic episode he once experienced, or perhaps his grievance is with one or more of his former teachers. Would you think this hypothetical person had sound mental health if he devoted the rest of his life to publicizing his beef, magnifying as many petty quibbles as possible, and turning every new piece of school-related information into a hyperbolic anecdote that further proves his narrative about how bad that school is?
Oh the self importance! Are you the boss of Lex? Why do you think you get to tell her to stop doing something. You are doing what you’re telling her to not do - “scouring” ! Instead you can just stop visiting her account. How about that. Absolute idiotic comment.
That’s a lot of words for be silent