Who REALLY Qualifies for Mormon Hell?
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Let’s go in-depth… am I evil enough for Outer Darkness?
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"Sorcerers, adulterers, whoremongers..." - So Joseph Smith? He was an adulterous philanderer who practiced folk magic.
Prolly just the oooother sorcerers, adulterers, and whoremongers.
@@denisekeeran9883 I laughed way too hard at that, but so true! That or "you can't trust all those court records..."
That fact eliminates a lot of the GAs since they supported Tim Ballard and his use of psychics seeking Nephi the prophet. Elder Ballard mentioned how Tim Ballard knew Nephi. This proves that at least a few GAs believe in psychic "witches"!
To be honest, when I get there, I'm gonna be really po'd if he's there. That's just way too mean. 😆
Don’t forget to add Sex trafficker.
Technically…the voice and feeling that I understood as the Holy Spirit testifying to me now confirms my atheism and the reasons for my disbelief in Mormonism and Jesus. So, if I truly had been hearing the Holy Spirit then he is on board with my new path.
Mine was diagnosed to be severe anxiety 😅
Great point!!! I've had multiple experiences since leaving the church that would have been the core of a testimony or talk on Sunday... except they happened after I learned that the church isn't true, and have often been related to things that the church doesn't support (like the joy, peace, and happiness I have felt when I learned that a relative of mine fell in love with his boyfriend and has found true happiness).
The Holy Ghost is literally just your inner voice, not an external force. When you're indoctrinated, all that's happening is you're receiving subliminal reconfirmations of your own faith as the 'Spirit'. Your brain only works with what's been put there
I love that you googled the number of stars in the universe!! Great video.
This is so fascinating to me. I think the Joseph Fielding Smith definition was to make people afraid to leave. When I left the church I’d had all kinds of questions and issues especially about the racism and misogyny in the church. I prayed and prayed and every time I thought about leaving I felt a strong sense of peace that I never felt about staying. So that peace by the church definition would be from the Holy Ghost since Satan cannot give that kind of peace. I also had a feeling that if I left and had faith in my decision to leave I’d have more confirmation about my decision as I time went on. Well, I’ve never gone back. So by church definitions of the spirit, that is what I followed and it lead me out. Now I look back and believe I was trusting myself and my own inner wisdom. Regardless I’m out and what a relief.
This has got to be my favourite video you've ever done! Its got everything. Its got wit, its got humour, its got sass, its got facts, its got mormon contradictions!
I may definitely a better person since I left the church. Being in the closet made me so manipulative and a liar to hide my sexuality. Now I'm out I am finally honest in all my dealings (mostly), I'm kinder and of more use to the world then I was hiding in the closet.
Looking forward to lighting up outer darkness with all the apostates. Its going to be a fun neighbourhood!
If you can't go to heaven and be in the presence of God and the folks of the Celestial; how can you be their servant? It is kind of hard to serve someone if you can't be in their house!
Maybe we're supposed to be like the house elves of Hogwarts. Unseen servants.
That is an excellent point!
This is so great; breaking down all the details. Love it
Another excellent video!
As a trans woman that does mean I would be going to outer darkness, as I meet all the qualifications and the church says I am not what I say I am. I'll let you all know what it's like when I get there 😅
Lol. I’ll hang out with you there. I think I’m prolly headed there myself.
I’ll join you there my fellow trans sister in sin 😂🏳️⚧️
Not trans, but if God is sending the trans people to outer darkness, I'll join you in solidarity. We can have a slumber party (after all, I was always told growing up that slumber parties lead to hell)!
Okay but outer darkness sounds hella cool like im going on a adventroues quest
I had a Sunday school teacher tell us that girls can't become "sons of predition" because it says "son" on purpose. You have to have had the priesthood. So I'm just telestrial trash. 🗑 😅
This whole video is freaking hilarious!!!!!
Whats up, Satan? I heard you had a special place for me here. Is that like VIP or First Class or something?
on a more serious note, life has been a million times better for me without the looming idea of hell haunting me.
Also, also, team telestial here
@@tresnalder2149 TK Smoothies for all!
Clearly, the outer darkness threat is a cult retention tool. Yes, I was told I would either serve my TBM brother forever or more likely, end up in outer darkness. Silly. My TBM sister said she could come to visit me in the afterlife. Oh thanks! Silly cult. We love our arrogant Mormon friends and neighbors and look forward to the time when they are freed from this nonsense.
"Beyond human comprehension," yet.... a human comprehends it enough to know and prophesy about it ...??
If I die and find out it's all true, I'll give God a chance to explain why he came up with the dumbest plan for our salvation. If he's got a good enough explanation and has a sincerely contrite spirit, maybe I'll consider letting him spend eternity with me.
How much faith and confidence can I have when the official story changes all the time?
Actually all you have to do is ask Joseph Smith. Because he is there . And even murder taking something that you cannot repent of or return something to what you had taken as a step of repentance of forgiveness is the standard that the church gives out so there are several different things you would be classified as going to the Mormon hell.
Outer Darkness, if I see Joesph Smith with Jesus and God judging me than I'm not going. Besides, I see the three kingdoms kind of similar to the Hindu Caste system in India.
This makes me feel we are all in hell now. How do we level up?
I heard a devotional on type Cleon Skausen the church's doctrine expert at the time. He was of the opinion that all those who were in the three kingdoms will progress eternally but at different rates of progression.
heaven for the climate, hell for the society. [Mark Twain]
If i remember correctly Jeffrey domer was taking missionary lessons a d even had the church helping him during his trial
Welp, I’m going to hell. 😅 I’ve been legally dead before, thought I remembered seeing Christ and now I don’t believe in any of that. I think it’s pretty safe to say I’m denying witness. But that’s okay because it seems like all the good people are going to hell and I wouldn’t want to miss the party 😂
this is not only in Mormons but also shared in Mainstream Christianity (Protestant, Orthodox, Catholic ) as well, an eternal sin
When I die I don’t care where my soul goes do you know why? Because I’ll be dead and won’t care
By this definition, wouldn’t Peter have committed the unpardonable sun?
Unrelated: just watched a meme review by Nemo, you've done a couple, please consider another meme review.
I was taught that for one to be able to deny the truthfulness of the Holy Ghost that they would have had to have witnessed Christ in the flesh AND have a perfect knowledge of his goodness and that he was the Son of God, which witness can only come by the way of the Holy Ghost. This seems to be in line with the Kimball teachings and subsequent teachings by other general authorities.
However, it's all a crock o' schitt! These kinds of stories are one way the church has developed as a method on how to keep people anchored to the church, not that most people here don't already know that! 😁
Latterday saints dont believe anyone is going to hell she has missunderstanding of what latterday saints believe
I recently did a video about this 😁
In the next life, you will be with the people with whom you are most comfortable. Certainly not the murderers and sorcerers (wicked people) and probably not the people who love Jesus since you don’t think Jesus is real. You seem like a kind person that loves her family and friends. You are not “wicked” for not believing in Jesus. I think loving others and kindness matters far more than which church you join or don’t join.
If it matters, you are certainly not perdition material. To qualify for that, you need to have a sure knowledge of Jesus Christ (the same as would an apostle) and then deny that knowledge. Judas Iscariot and Cain qualify, you don’t. You can rest easy on that one. Plus, you can also take comfort in knowing that if Jesus Christ truly lives and that you should have continued to follow him, you will still find yourself in a beautiful part of heaven that is far greater than anything this world has to offer. I don’t think you will regret “what could have been.” So, you party now and see what happens later, (if there is a later).
Side note: Since you don’t believe in God or an afterlife and are now an atheist, I don’t think you should be worrying about what happens after you die, because as an atheist, you believe that you will cease to exist. Just my two cents.
Very well thought out comment!
The Mormon church professes to be Christians but dammmmn this is the least Christ-like view.
So you won’t bend the knee to Christ even after knowing he is real? Even after seeing Him?
If you are being honest with yourself, you probably thought the same things about apostates when you were a member. At least I know I did. So I try to find some room to accept those who say I'm going to hell, because they are just trying to do what they can to make their religious beliefs work for them. The system is screwed up, for sure, but most of the people are like you and I used to be. I think I would have been voted "least likely to go astray" in seminary and young adulthood, and accompanying that righteousness was so much judgment, fear, shame, and cognitive dissonance that I didn't even see.
I believe heaven and hell is a frame of mind
And not a n actual place we are all divine beings there is no one
Over or below you god does not judge that is a human concept sending you love and light ❤❤❤
@Paula-iq7rm I agree! The TV show "The Good Place" was a great eye opener for me as I deconstructed! I felt like I was living in hell already, with the perfectionism, anxiety and shame that was programmed into me growing up as a Mormon. I feel so much more at peace now, having deconstructed a lot and enforced healthy boundaries with my narsassistic family members.
Why does the plan of salvation read like the instructions to Chutes and Ladders?
The sheer vengeance and delight in making people suffer just boggles my mind. Like how on earth is "denying the holy ghost" even a sin? That's like "I don't wanna be your friend" or "I want to breakup," not like me causing anyone any harm at all. I was just telling someone yesterday that my whole ethics can be summed up by, "I don't want any human or animal to needlessly suffer." That's it. But that makes me worthy of eternal suffering. Mkay.
Mormonism has the same issue that I have heard with other Christian groups. If you are never told the Gospel, you are not condemned to hell. If you are never told about Mormonism, you are not condemned to Outer Darkness. You are actually damning people to hell / outer darkness by proselytize to them.
The sad thing is that most Mormon missionaries have no problem sending you there. Don't let those precise haircuts and clean-cut demeanor fool ya!
Yeah true Christians don’t believe that. The Bible indicates that God will judge everyone according to how they responded to the revelation they have received. By that standard, some non-Christians may go to heaven and some Christians may go to hell. Doesn’t matter if someone has been told the gospel, read the Bible, etc. God judges us based on what we do with what we have. We will continue to proselyte because we’re commanded to make disciples of all nations. We don’t hold back because of what someone might do or not do with that information. Judgment is coming and “nobody ever told me” will not be an excuse that’s going to work
Ah, finally a man that knows how to identify true Christians. LOL@@Justaman24098 What makes your reading more founded than theirs? You have nothing that they don't have, too. You have nothing of substance.
The existential threat against those who leave in assigning them to a special and unique hellish existence is super SUPER culty.
Don't worry Lexi. The Telestial kingdom is like Margaritaville. Thre Terrestrial Kingdom is like Mayberry. The Celestial kingdom is like Seven wives for seven brothers.
😂😂😂
Or Seven Wives For Two Brothers…🤪
I kinda feel like Celestial will be every Real Housewives Of franchise combined w/Sister Wives: everyone pretending to be holy but actually very trashy & toxic🤣
“Real Housewives of The Celestial Kingdom”
I'd watch the crap out of that 😭@@DevoShire
“Those misogynistic bastards” 😂 ⚰️
Great video as usual Lex. I realized long before I broke away from being mormon all the fun people were "going to hell" and all the people who were trying hard to be celestial were not the ones I wanted to hang out with anyway. I hope to find you in hell and enjoy the party with you!
I'm destined for outer darkness
Me too. See you there.
Save me a seat!
C u there 😅
@@RobinPalmerTV You’ll have to be quick. It’s going to be pretty crowded. Maybe, standing room only.
Me? I'm certainly headed for outer darkness. But I'll be in good company--members of the LBGTQ+ community (some of the most wonderful people I know are members of that community), immigrants, and the others of us who have left the church. I'd rather go to outer darkness with good company than be in one of the levels of heaven with a bunch of judgmental, holier-than-thou, assholes (sorry, but that's the best work I can think of).
When you read that in the bottom tear, criminals are "made clean by their suffering," it got me wondering what the point of Jesus even was then when pretty much everyone would fall into the bottom tear.
It also speaks to a culture that is punishment driven. Which I feel like hits on something, but only the surface and I'm not yet sure what it is
Sun's and Stars are the same thing.Mormon astronomy 101.
Not to mention the sun in our solar system is much smaller than most stars!
I thought it was gonna be listening to that new fangled rock n' roll music
I never had a testimony, but since I'm bi and genderfluid, I hope I qualify to join you in outer darkness 😁🌌💕
Not to any of them! The thought that there are four levels of heaven/hell is ludicrous. Just a bunch of rhetoric of a bunch of sick-minded old men who want to control you.
Aside from the fact that this whole idea originated from cult leader and con-man Joseph Smith, every requirement for OD is subjective. What would be considered valiant? What is wickedness? If someone can give mass-mudering Adolf Hitler a pass, yet condemn an ordinary member to hell for leaving Mormondom?, I don't give their subjective evaluation much value.
We're all going to the same place. Gonna be a hell of a party!
Always glad to have something to look forward to in the future!!
ill bring my bluetooth speaker
Don’t forget that the Telestial Kingdom is currently where EVERYONE lives rn, according to the Temple movie😈therefore, if you’re good here and can find beauty, joy, happiness, & fulfillment currently then you’re good🎉🎉🎉
This is basically like taking "the game" wayyyy too seriously lol. And at least when I was in 6th grade and someone told me about "the game," they did tell me that once I started playing I'd have to keep "playing" it forever, which is about the same level of informed consent that the church gives, maybe even more
You’re awesome! And I’m glad you and your husband left the church together. I grew up LDS and the hold they have on your mind making you feel guilty if you stay requiring near perfection, thus the reason for so many people with depression in Utah, and if you leave , with the guilt trip that you feel for years after you left , is torture!!
Telestral Kingdom all the way.
Same lol🤣 see you there. (I figure sorcery is part of being spiritual, a consulting with mediums, clairvoyant, having a collection of crystals, things like that..) just not to thrilled about being there with murderers and other bad people..😳😨🤔🤦🏽♀️
That cat was scaring me for awhile thanks for clearing that up, lol
Yeah, I was starting to think it was one of those ghost-cats who magically appear in the videos but are nowhere to be found once the recording stops.
Outer darkness.
The Miracle of Forgiveness is a book written by Spencer W. Kimball is being left in the dark so that not a out.
The best way to get the most people in the VIP heaven is don't teach the gospel then all will make it
WHAT? A contradictory doctrine? Oh you found the way men are going to have so many wives in heaven, in spite of birth rates being 50/50 man to woman.
And then there's blood atonement, because Jesus' blood was not enough to cover all sins in Mormonism. Good thing Mormons don't practice that anymore.
Contradictory doctrine and teachings? It's almost like the prophets were making it up as they went and changing anything they didn't like 😂
Evagelican friends of mine told me I am going to hell. I grew up jewish, in which there is no hell. I am now agonistic atheist. I never believe in jesus in any way but a man. I think that the bible is a work of fiction with horrific stories and a monster of a god.
So if denying the spirit is an unpardonable sin, why wasn't in on the tablets that Moses carried? Didn't Joseph F. Smith also state that the law of tithing is temporary? Everything we were taught in Sunday school was cherry-picked nonsense
Oh man, Sunday School was always so boring that I wish just ONE TIME that we could've picked cherries!
As a plain Jane gay Christian who loves your channel (due to many similar things in my life I’ve experienced) this tiered afterlife system is so mind-boggling and how people can just flip flop through all of the kingdoms in the afterlife? Makes me wonder what the purpose of our life here is anyway then with this worldview.
Don't forget about the people on other planets in other galaxies.
I’m sure there’s a quote from Brigham young that no women will go to outer darkness only men as it says sons of partition yet in later years the church leaders said different… go figure 😂
You heathen… 👍
Celestial kingdom life: FYE everyday, but with Jesus liv8bg there too, and plural wives for men (I guess all the secondary wives would be the wives of the apostles who denied the spirit? Bc the women need to be married and sealed to enter anyway? Or all the wives are the grown up spirit bodies of the little girls who died before being baptized? Dark, but maybe I'm missing some info on how that's gonna happen. Church, please explain this mathn and show your work lmao)
Terrestrial Kingdom: made up of lds adjacent christians, unmarried mormons (including the gays who stayed celibate until death), and other straight edge after death converts.
Terrestrial kingdom: pretty much like earth, but better, and minus the TBM's 👀
Anyway, I'll be hosting board game night every Tuesday in my spirit Yurt, who's in?
What are these dudes smoking and where can i get some?
Also -- there's a saying (I think this is how it goes): "... come to heaven for the weather and h3ll for the company..".(tongue-in-cheek 100%)
Outer darkness, baby! Bruce McConkie is pretty opinionated about it in Mormon Doctrine, too, placing his stake in apostates all being bound there. Yayyyyy!
Off-topic, but I can't help it...
Now that you showed us the cat, I kind of want it to have some little apostate outfits to wear, in the manner of the seasonal outfits my fellow Michiganders have for their plastic porch geese.
I have always thought that the 3 degree of Glory doctrine makes a mockery of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Didn't He suffer for our sins and die on the cross so that we all may be saved?
My mom has pretty much said this too 😅
I was thinking
This also
Because Christians
Don’t teach this
Three kingdoms glory
Got that Freemasons
Find out when you die
Well gonna find
Out second coming
Before millennial or after
Thought two resurrections sheeps and goats
I'm quite puzzled. I can't figure out if an imaginary god can send me to a non-existent hell.... Such a dilemma!
Just remeber any thing said by a more modern phophet trumps anything said by an older prophet, so if Kimball was the last President to speak on the matter, you are good to go for the terrestrial kingdom.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not the same as denying the Holy Spirit.
Im not sure but if i get there first ill leave the gate open for ya!!! 🤷♀️🙄🤣
I had my name removed from the temple and that’s like spitting in Gods face
Change that "p" to a "h", and you'd be spot on!!!
Former Church of Christ (not LDS) here. We also taught that denying the Holy Spirit was the only unpardonable sin.
I currently have a one way first class ticket to hell LOLOLOL
If you're really bad the devil sends you to heaven to spend eternity making macaroni art with the Mormons
Oh man, you just convinced me to be sooooo good from now on!
My ex-husband told me I couldn't go to the celestial kingdom without him bringing me through the veil. So I guess I'm good. He did come to my house and try to k*** me. I don't want to have him bring me through the veil. Dang
I was always told by my Mormon Mother, I would be going to Outer Darkness, where there's Weeping, Wailing, and Gnashing of Teeth..WTF is Gnashing of Teeth?? LOL!
That is such a loving parent thing to say. Ugh! 😮
Think your mother was talking about marriage 😂
@stuartsenften237 I always thought of gnashing of teeth as teeth grinding....like a parent does at night and it sounds like a wild animal😂, waking you from your sleep, wondering how the creature got into the house, only to realize they are deep in REM sleep 😅
@Riverrstone LOLOLOL 🤣🤣🤣 oh my gosh! This is truth.
Don't worry, the entirety of the LDS gets it wrong too...
I had this question during my mission, and my mission president told me that he didn't even think he could possibly be a son of perdition. I don't remember if he mentioned Kimball, but it was basically the Kimball answer to the question, and that I would never have to worry about being cast into outer darkness. That being said, I will gladly go to the telestial. All the coolest people will be there!!
At the end, when you were asking us where we would end up, all I could think of was in the movie, Forrest Gump, when Forrest says, "I am going to Heaven, Lieutenant Dan." LOL 😅
Jesus wants no one to go to hell He died for us! John 3:16 Here is the True Gospel Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23, Romans 5:8,Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10 also look at Hebrews 9:27-28
omg that freaked me out when you grabbed that cat by the head. lol. but seriously, in sunday school back in the 60's, they told us being a lesbian was the worst sin. i naturally said sign me up. i guess im going to the gaylestial kingdom.
I think you'll find a lot of "straight" Mormon dudes once you get there. I've met many who I'm pretty sure would fit right in.
Maybe if the Holy Ghost would have been more clear and real in his “promptings” then I’d still fuck with him. But dude ghosted me constantly. In hindsight I should have expected that. 😂😂😂
I'll see you there. Hell that is. 😅
joined in 2010 stop going i think im going to 3 rd kingdom
I've had that *exact* same thought before, Lexi! Hypothetically getting to heaven and finding out Mormonism was "the right answer", and having the chance to 'accept the gospel' then and knowing I'd still be like.... "This is FUCKED. No! I'm still out! Send me wherever, but I'm still not part of this" hahahahahahah
If I have my wish in an after life (don't really believe in an after life but) my atoms will become part of the Aurora Borealis!!❤❤
@marysteffens4531 I LOVE that! 😊
Nice video, enjoyed the perspective on your growth. Be interested to see your opinions in another 10 and 20 years as you continue to grow and mature (and gain more life experience).
Onward and upward.
Maybe we are already in hell
I grew up believing this: might be true, might be false, but it was my understanding…
In order to be a son (or daughter) of perdition, you had to have seen a physical manifestation of Christ, usually in the temple. I had heard this was the most impossible sin to commit, because in order to commit it, you had to have “your calling and election made sure” meaning: you are a prophet, or were called to be one, or an apostle, or you saw Jesus in the temple, or you received your second anointing.
But that was my understanding. Others may have a loser or tighter interpretation depending on their upbringing, I think.
Seems there’s a lot of Mormons who think a lot of different things about a lot of different things. Like “what’s the f*ck is doctrine anyways”?!???
… wrote this part way thru the video. Seems I was brought up on the Spencer Kimpbal view of the Mormon world. Maybe I’ll be joining you in hell. Oh well. Seems hell gonna be a much funner place with you there.
Wait, you have tattoos. You might be in a lower level of hell than me. I don’t have piercings OR tattoos. I guess the only way we meet is if I visit you. Shit.
Well I left the Mormon Church and am now a Christian. Normally in Mormon theology, Christians go to either the Terrestrial Kingdom. BUT because I left the Mormon Church, the faith in Christ that I now possess is invalid and is as if I don’t believe at all. So in their view, ex-Mormon Christians go to outer darkness. So yay us!
Oh my god. This is so funny when you learn to contemplate your-self deeply. YOU are not going anywhere and neither is anyone ‘else.’ YOU are already here, where you’ve always been. All this shit about heaven and hell is a state of mind. As we let go of fear, (conditioning) we find we’ve been in heaven (innocence/peace) all along. Thanks for the video Lex. Sending love to all.
It is up for interpretation but I think I would be Telestial because I have never been baptized a Mormon or taken part in ordinances, so I think I can avoid Outer Darkness. Will not qualify for Terrestrial because I don’t have a testimony of Jesus Christ.
If failing to follow the prophets gets you into shitty 3rd-tier heaven, then we should be seeing a lot of 'true-believing' modern-day Mormons in there. They fail to follow *all* their prophets **all the time**. No one *could* follow them all because they contradict each other so much. It's just hilarious to consider "following the prophets" a criterion for salvation...it's not a thing that could even be done if someone really wants to because their doctrine is so ridiculously self-contradictory and inconsistent!
Whew! You might be ok Lex!