try cutting of the chipgaurd around the bell. that will substantially increase the sensitivity of the bell triggers. nice work dude. thanks to your videos i now have some fully working brass triggered cymbals. keep rockin!
The CY15 has much better response on the bell than what you are implying. I believe your experience with the CY-15R may have been from the days when the cymbals were shipping with bell issues. There is a very simple fix to slip in a piece of mousemat which allows super light bell playing, and even triplet drag rolls.
@MrKeithhilley From what I know of the DD502, it uses single zone triggers. So yes it will work, but ONLY as a single zone. The second Piezo would need to be wired to another input of the DD502. I was unable to determine if the choke will work. So, in affect, you could build a single piezo (single zone) metal cymbal that would work. I suspect that the choke feature is not available on the DD502 - Although I am unsure of that. You will need to do some research on the dd502 operation/feature
@mazzhanif1 , This is a piezo trigger. Yes, it will work for the drums too - Please see all my videos. Regarding your reference to my Optical device; The Optical HH Controller producess a 'control' signal (the foot pedal of a HH). Many drum controllers use an on/off switch, or two on/off switches to 'control' the HH. A few use a variable controller, fewer use a variable voltage controller. My Optical HH Controller is the variable voltage type, as used by 'Megadrum'.
@mazzhanif1 , This is a piezo trigger. Yes, it will work for the drums too - Please see all my videos. Regarding your reference to my Optical device; The Optical HH Controller producess a 'control' signal, not a 'trigger' signal. Many drum controllers use an on/off switch, or two on/off switches to 'controll' the HH. A few use a variable controller, fewer use a variable voltage controller. My HH Controller is the variable voltage type, as used by 'Megadrum'
@bigtubeocaulk1 also i know from doing acoustic drum conversions that mounting the piezo on a piece of 2 sided foam tape the size of the ceramic part of the piezo lets the copper part vibrate much more, thus increasing sensitivity. dont know if it would be ideal on a cymbal. but it might work.
@EgyPeti these are the cymbals that are listed as compatible with the TD-3: Cymbals (CY-6, CY-8, CY-12H, CY-12R/C, CY-14C, CY-15R) I do not know the specs for these. Some are just single trigger and some are edge switch and piezo. Some version of this build will certain ly work.. try it and see ,
To MrKeithHilley.... I also took a look at the DD502(W) manual. [ found at: medeli DOT com DOT hk/downloads/index DOT htm ] put . in place of DOT. The cables are only mono type (Tip/Sleeve) So I doubt that the actual input to the module is anything but mono. My DIY needs a stereo input (Tip/Ring/Sleeve) on a module that supports dual triggering (ie:DD506) It seems the dd502 uses only a single trigger type pad. You can still build your own pad - it just needs to be a single piezo only.
To MrKeithHilley.... I also took a look at the DD502(W) manual. [ found at: medeli DOT com DOT hk/downloads/index DOT htm ] put . in place of DOT. The cables are only mono type (Tip/Sleeve) So I doubt that the actual input to the module is anything but mono. My DIY needs a stereo input (Tip/Ring/Sleeve) on a module that supports dual triggering. It seems the dd502 uses only a single trigger type pad. You can still build your own pad - it just needs to be a single piezo only. Best Wishes
i actually mention racer52 in my vid cause you are where i got the idea for the switch and the explanation of the roland wiring. thanks for that. for sure worth an honorable mention, right? haha. the rockguard i already knew about( i believe thats whats on the surge and other smart trigger cymbals as well. any way check out the vid and tell me what you think. stay cool.
Very strange build dude cause i think the zone separation with X-talk seems impossible for three piezos installed so closed and without some isolation way! How are you handle it?? It has to do from the sensitivity of piezos?
I'm curious if you've ever attempted to make a 3-zone ride? I haven't found any information on how Roland wires their three-zone cymbals, but I know that megadrum modules can get away with just one stereo jack because the edge trigger uses a 10k resistor in series
maybe something like this is a matter of layering a surface so usind different layers with indepentent piezos self isolated you can have different zones in the same surface .
I'm new to a2e conversions and wondered how hard it would be to make a 2 zone ride, no choke, just bell and bow triggers? I've joined vdrums, just not sure what to look for!
Diya Tailor see diagram here:i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz69/racer52online/e-drum%20projects/Dual%20Zone%20Cymbal%20w%20Choke/RolandWiring2Zonecym.gif the wire is electrically connected to the R of the TRS connection. The same wire touches the 'choke strap' - when squeezed it makes contact to the cymbal. the cymbal is electrically connected to the S of the TRS connection. thereby when the switch is squeezed, the R & S get shorted together to make the 'choke'
Diya Tailor see this drawing of the schematic here:s814.photobucket.com/user/racer52online/media/e-drum%20projects/Two%20Zone%20Ride%20w%20Choke/DualZonewChokeSchematic_zps91365150.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
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try cutting of the chipgaurd around the bell. that will substantially increase the sensitivity of the bell triggers. nice work dude. thanks to your videos i now have some fully working brass triggered cymbals. keep rockin!
Hi photobucket links are bad. Need schematic please. Great job 👏
Many thankx
The CY15 has much better response on the bell than what you are implying. I believe your experience with the CY-15R may have been from the days when the cymbals were shipping with bell issues. There is a very simple fix to slip in a piece of mousemat which allows super light bell playing, and even triplet drag rolls.
@MrKeithhilley From what I know of the DD502, it uses single zone triggers. So yes it will work, but ONLY as a single zone. The second Piezo would need to be wired to another input of the DD502. I was unable to determine if the choke will work. So, in affect, you could build a single piezo (single zone) metal cymbal that would work. I suspect that the choke feature is not available on the DD502 - Although I am unsure of that. You will need to do some research on the dd502 operation/feature
@mazzhanif1 , This is a piezo trigger. Yes, it will work for the drums too - Please see all my videos.
Regarding your reference to my Optical device; The Optical HH Controller producess a 'control' signal (the foot pedal of a HH). Many drum controllers use an on/off switch, or two on/off switches to 'control' the HH. A few use a variable controller, fewer use a variable voltage controller. My Optical HH Controller is the variable voltage type, as used by 'Megadrum'.
very nice job! i also have an alesis dm 10 studio kit and i added more cymbals made by myself from toy cymbals.........
@mazzhanif1 , This is a piezo trigger. Yes, it will work for the drums too - Please see all my videos.
Regarding your reference to my Optical device; The Optical HH Controller producess a 'control' signal, not a 'trigger' signal. Many drum controllers use an on/off switch, or two on/off switches to 'controll' the HH. A few use a variable controller, fewer use a variable voltage controller. My HH Controller is the variable voltage type, as used by 'Megadrum'
@bigtubeocaulk1 also i know from doing acoustic drum conversions that mounting the piezo on a piece of 2 sided foam tape the size of the ceramic part of the piezo lets the copper part vibrate much more, thus increasing sensitivity. dont know if it would be ideal on a cymbal. but it might work.
@EgyPeti these are the cymbals that are listed as compatible with the TD-3:
Cymbals
(CY-6, CY-8, CY-12H, CY-12R/C, CY-14C, CY-15R)
I do not know the specs for these. Some are just single trigger and some are edge switch and piezo.
Some version of this build will certain ly work.. try it and see ,
To MrKeithHilley.... I also took a look at the DD502(W) manual. [ found at: medeli DOT com DOT hk/downloads/index DOT htm ] put . in place of DOT. The cables are only mono type (Tip/Sleeve) So I doubt that the actual input to the module is anything but mono. My DIY needs a stereo input (Tip/Ring/Sleeve) on a module that supports dual triggering (ie:DD506) It seems the dd502 uses only a single trigger type pad. You can still build your own pad - it just needs to be a single piezo only.
To MrKeithHilley.... I also took a look at the DD502(W) manual. [ found at: medeli DOT com DOT hk/downloads/index DOT htm ] put . in place of DOT. The cables are only mono type (Tip/Sleeve) So I doubt that the actual input to the module is anything but mono. My DIY needs a stereo input (Tip/Ring/Sleeve) on a module that supports dual triggering. It seems the dd502 uses only a single trigger type pad. You can still build your own pad - it just needs to be a single piezo only. Best Wishes
Nice vid. Can i di the same thing with a non elecrric cinductive plastic cymbal?
Can you tell me if your DIY will work on the OSP DD 502?
Thanks
i actually mention racer52 in my vid cause you are where i got the idea for the switch and the explanation of the roland wiring. thanks for that. for sure worth an honorable mention, right? haha. the rockguard i already knew about( i believe thats whats on the surge and other smart trigger cymbals as well. any way check out the vid and tell me what you think. stay cool.
Thank you so much, really help me a lot, it works ❤❤
Very strange build dude cause i think the zone separation with X-talk seems impossible for three piezos installed so closed and without some isolation way! How are you handle it?? It has to do from the sensitivity of piezos?
Can you tell me if your DIY will work on the OSP DD 502?
Thanks!
Hello, very nice video!, can you give me the wiring diagram for the ALESIS modules ?, dont need choke, just bell and bow, many thanks dude.
is that a cut out piece of cymbal for the choke?
*Does anyone know if Alesis wires their the same? I got a DM10 module from ebay and trying to make a ride with bell and one crash cymbal with choke.*
Did you ever complete the cymbal conversions, I’m going to start the same process my self
@@scottw3780 yes i did, i used plastic practice cbals and a pvc pipe cap for the ride bell! Lol weeee
I'm curious if you've ever attempted to make a 3-zone ride? I haven't found any information on how Roland wires their three-zone cymbals, but I know that megadrum modules can get away with just one stereo jack because the edge trigger uses a 10k resistor in series
maybe something like this is a matter of layering a surface so usind different layers with indepentent piezos self isolated you can have different zones in the same surface .
Hi racer25online! I have a question for you. Is it works with roland td3 module ? Thanks!
I'm new to a2e conversions and wondered how hard it would be to make a 2 zone ride, no choke, just bell and bow triggers? I've joined vdrums, just not sure what to look for!
just wondering, does the choke wire touch the cymbal or the choke strap? really confused about this... thx
Diya Tailor see diagram here:i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz69/racer52online/e-drum%20projects/Dual%20Zone%20Cymbal%20w%20Choke/RolandWiring2Zonecym.gif
the wire is electrically connected to the R of the TRS connection. The same wire touches the 'choke strap' - when squeezed it makes contact to the cymbal. the cymbal is electrically connected to the S of the TRS connection. thereby when the switch is squeezed, the R & S get shorted together to make the 'choke'
Diya Tailor see this drawing of the schematic here:s814.photobucket.com/user/racer52online/media/e-drum%20projects/Two%20Zone%20Ride%20w%20Choke/DualZonewChokeSchematic_zps91365150.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
Nice .. and thank u
@MRmesmetin - Way TO GO !!
As they say - Make it yourself, or D.I.Y. trying
Hi. Can you lay out the connection scheme?
Sorry, my english is bad, I don't understeand your speech.
look here:
s814.photobucket.com/user/racer52online/library/e-drum%20projects/Two%20Zone%20Ride%20w%20Choke?sort=3&page=1
racer52online
racer52online big thanks!
great! just wish the wiring looked cleaner.