DIY Dual Zone Cymbal with Choke.MPG
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2010
- How to make a DIY Dual Zone Cymbal with Choke for a Roland drum module. See pics at- s814.photobucket.com/albums/zz...
This build uses a single Piezo and an edge switch. The switch is built from a section of another cymbal and mounted to the underside edge of the converted cymbal. The Cymbal makes one side of the switch and the arc strip of metal makes the other side of the switch. A piezo is wired to Tip & Sleeve of the TRS jack. The two sides of the "switch" are wired to Sleeve and Ring of the TRS jack. - Навчання та стиль
A very professional description of the Roland-type dual zone with choke. A belated 'hank you'!
Very clear and concise explanation. Well done. Thank you!
Excellent information! I always wondered how a Roland cymbal trigger differentiates between edge and bow, and you explained it very clearly.
I gotta tell you I appreciate the info you're putting out. Long story short.I recently built a 'psuedo-drum set' out of miscellaneous materials, just to have something to beat on. Fate gave me a TD-6 control module and cables, that's it. I'm an electronics hobbyist with some decent equipment. Just ordered 15 piezo triggers. Looks like I'll be able to build my own e-cymbals and add some decent sound to my set. I'm very much obliged.
Hey man i just finished building a diy crash cymbal for my sons drums following your instructions - it's just working beautifully, thank you so much. your videos are spot on and helpful, great! Im using it on a Roland TD-3.
Absolutely bloody marvelous. Well done!
@oakendyk one wire connects the small, cut section back to the ring. the sleeve of the jack is electrically the same point as the cymbal. The sleeve is connected to the cymbal directly at the jack mount - thus allowing the cymbal surface to act as the second half of the switch.
This means hat the only wire from the actual switch is for the smaller/cut section that is mounted to the cymbal. it is also important to not let the cut/small section make contact to the cymbal - it should only contact the cymbal when it is either 1- Squeezed, or 2- when the edge is struck firm enough to flex the two parts together.
@Sam Gomez so, you are worried.. I would not try this if I were you. And , no - I have not applied for a patent . By the by, this also works with a variety of other trigger modules and TMIs, not just Roland's
works to me using in ddrum and roland modules. tks
@NicholaiPavan ... very light edge strikes will only trigger a low volume Bow sound. A slightly harder blow to trigger the edge. you can see in the video that I am not striking hard in either case.
thanks, yes this really helps!
@lucyferina :... Your understanding of the switch connection is correct, one lead to Ring, the other to Sleeve. However, the piezo leads will get wired one to the Tip ( the brass side of piezo), and the other lead (ceramic of piezo) to Sleeve of the TRS. This means that only the Sleeve of the TRS jack has one side of each (switch and Piezo) soldered to it... I sent you a Private Message with links to the web locations referenced in the video and in my previouse reply.
Thanks for the awesome content! I'm thinking about attempting my first cymbal conversion -- probably a 14 or 16". To keep things simple, starting with a single zone. What size piezo do you recommend? Does bigger piezo = more sensitivity? Does your recommendation change if I then continue the conversion to a dual-zone? For sound proofing, thinking about repurposing the rubber from an old truck inner tube, adhering it with contact cement. What do you think of that idea? Thanks!
@METALLERhates2332 I do not know anything about Guitar Pro 5, but, in standard scoring the note may be followed by an apostrophy - indicating to choke the cymbal.
In drum tabs, one method used to indicate choke is to score the cymbal strike with the pound sign, (ie: # ) my guess would be the # character
Hope that helps
is there anyways we could a step by step video on how to build these?
Inefficient placement of the piezo, and in using real and cheap 'toy' cymbals unmuted must make for a brutally noisy kit :~
alesis trigger io is a no go. theyre not setup to take the swithc input like roland is. do yourself a favor and sell your trigger io on ebay and get an old roland brain like the td6. then use that as a midi hub into your drum program just as your would have with the alesis. hope this helps. big props to racer52 for the wiring explanation as well. i used some of his ideas on my own diy cymbals. check it out on youtube. just type in diy brass triggered cymbal. im the guy with the red/black tanktop
Hi. Thanks for this video. it helps me a lot. I have only one question. I finished my cymbal. it works fine, but it seems like the switch doesn't have any sensitivity. No matter how many force do you apply to the edge stroke, it always sound at the same level.
That is correct ? or I need to do something about it?
I have a Roland Td-8. Thank you very much for your help. And sorry for my English!!!!
Hi friend. Excellent video ... Great idea! To be able to perform with acoustic cymbals. The only thing that can not be appreciated is construction. Will you have the diagram of the connections to the piezo and the stereo jack? and how is each and the cable to the plate that I want to imagine that one of the cables makes ground in the saucer? Is that correct? I hope you can pass me the diagram by mail or how would you contact? Thank you.
it is a pity that I found you only today, the Photobucket images are not there anymore, do you have them anywhere else online by any chance?
thanks in advance
how do you write a choke cymbal on Guitar Pro 5?
Hello, could you please update the link to the pictures?
You mentioned the coating helps the cymbal level to the correct position. does the electronics w/ a plastic box cause any unbalance or spinning?
Will this work with an Alesis Trigger i/o?
how much would it cost for you to make this cymbal if i was to purchase the cymbal but you make the trigger, choke, etc.
I'm using a Yamaha dtxpress drum module how can I find out if it works off the same switch type connection also I tried this and it would only pic up the bow of the cymbal and not the edge... do you kno y this might be? FYI The original cymbals with that drum unit were chokable via squeezing the edge of the cymbal
First of all everyone should watch this video with the closed captions on. It's a whole different experience! :P
Second of all my real question: Does this work with Alesis t\Trigger IO?
I am gonna try this artertouch method with edrumin i wil uepate
Hey friend, where you bought these cymbals? thanks
so you use roland's method for the dual zone chokeable technology? is it patented?
@lucyferina diagram is posted at photobucket and at vdrums. this reply window will not let me post the URL search photobucket for racer52online. Also I have the link in the text attached to the video, you will need to expand the text to see the link.
I was just wondering. If I were to create electronic hi hats would I need a choke or would the cymbal underneath act as the choke strip?
The real answer lies in your controller. Typical is to have a separate line/jack for HH Cont. with a single or dual zone cymbal. The basic/ lower end style control input typically uses a one or two level switch. Giving open/closed hats (sw is open or closed), or open/partial closed/closed hats (open switches/ sw1 closed/sw 1&2 closed) the normally open style contact switches are applied across Tip - Sleeve , or tip-sleeve and Ring-Sleeve respectively. Or some simple variation of that concept. Roland, megadrum and others that offer more realistic options use some version of a variable input to control a variable HH sound. Roland uses a variable resistance, megadrum used a variable voltage. However, they may by now, accept any of the three versions??? This all matters to your controller/interface.
can i do dual zoning my cymbal for any kind of module
In principle it should work to at least some functionality. true function will depend on input is used on the trigger IO and how it is configured. That said, I have no hands on experience with any trigger IO products. you may deed to do some more research...or experiment. good luck :-)
I sent you a private messge with the links to more photos and a pictorial diagram - seee your inbox