Amazing video, just what I was looking for! I was already stuck between the DT770 and the DT990, because I work a lot in the radio business. But the line from frequency response of the DT770 seems a bit more flat, which in my opinion is better because then you’ll hear everything great. So the DT770 it is! Thank you so much!
@@matan2903 bought them both and the low end is better on the dt 770. The 990's maybe have more clear and detailed low end but you can't hear it as well because of how it's tuned, the highs are really REALLY loud at least for me and it ruins my listening experience and when mixing it leaves me with ringing ears on full volume unlike the 770s. sorry for being late btw.
For a very specific usecase, if anyone here has Sound ID Reference, grab the DT990. You get the better soundstage of the DT990 and Sound ID Reference can correct the DT990 to sound flat. Even flatter than the 770.
Hey there, I'm looking for the best pair of headphones out of these: 1) DT990 Premium (600 ohm) 2) DT990 Premium (250 ohm) 2) DT990 Pro (250 ohm) 3) DT880 Pro (250 ohm) 4) DT770 Pro (250 ohm) Could you please suggest me the best option from the list?? *I have a Sound Blaster G6 and my primary requirements are gaming, movies and music.*
I have the 770s for about a year. Today at Guitar Center, I A/B'd the 770 & 990. The 990 s have a much fuller sound. I immediately preferred the 990 over the 770.
@@scottlowell493 what? Have you been to a guitar center? They have anywhere from $200-$600 preamps. And if you're referring to actual amps they have anything you'd want. You don't need a 1k amp to power a $160 set of 80ohm headphones...
I purchased the DT 770 Pro 80 Ohms a few weeks ago and I use them exclusively for....wait for it.....listening to music! They are fantastic for that - dynamic, punchy when it needs to be, clear and articulate. And I love the fact that it has real sub-bass and none of it bleeds into the lower midrange so they are non-muddy. Also, for closed backs, the soundstage is incredible. And yes, I know, this - and the 990 - are always marketed as headphones for mixing, mastering, recording, editing, etc, etc. But no one talks about using them for listening to music. I don't want a pair of headphones that glosses over any imperfections. The way that songs are recorded is the way that they are recorded. I want musical truth and the 770 gives it to me. I can still appreciate the artistry and talent of the musicians and they can still convey their ideas regardless of how it was recorded, mixed, edited, etc. The 770 allows me to hear the artists and engineers' intent at that moment in time and that's special to me.
@@gnanasekaran_shanmuugam you don't need one necessarily if your device can output enough mW to drive them. Sometimes, if I'm being lazy, I'll just plug it directly into my MacBook and it's perfectly fine. But when I'm needing a little more "presence", I do have a couple headphone amps I could plug them into.
Your assessment on flatter frequency response for DT770 being better for mixing and mastering over the better soundstage from DT990 makes perfect sense.
@@DanielLopez-up6os lol. No they're not at all flat. If you think so, you might wanna get your hearing checked. They sound great, but no where near flat. As mentioned above, the HD 280 Pro by Sennheiser is a good, cheap "relatively flat" headphone.
@@modvind the can you mention is closed back, only good for recording and tracking. While mixing, mastering, we need semi open or open back, so dt990 can is good option.
@@StaffViet2009 You don't "need" semi-open or open headphones for that. The 990s are a great example of that; not very flat at all. Although, they do have amazingly fast dirvers, and great trancient response. But the tonal balance is so off, I can't trust them for anything but fine details. If you want to mix and master properly, monitors are your best tool anyway, in a proberly treated room, of course ;)
@@modvind hmm...good advice, but my primary concert is mobility with less compromise, because i spend less time at home, want to get my music quick to cilent. I also hear closed back is bad for ear health on long listening time, open back is much breath taking..?
I own both (80ohm) for music production and I still do not know which I like better. I rarely reach for headphones but when I do I tend to use the 770's for tracking & sound design due to the isolation and use the 990's for more critical decisions for mixing & mastering. Both will do either job quite well albeit maybe not as well as higher priced headphones like Audeze or Sennheiser's HD series.
I found the DT 990 Pro beat some headphones that are double their price. Beyerdynamic manufacturers them since ages, with the occasional update. That is why their price is not upper range, but their sound is. Sennheisers for the same price do not beat them, I think
Bought the DT 770 80 ohm and absolutely love them! Casual listening is a dream and sound very similar to my car system...so they are great for me when referencing mixes without having to jump in my car much. BUT...I am patiently waiting for the DT880...I feel these are underrated and rarely talked about in detail...but we'll see.
@@ghostfrieza2904 from my understanding, I think the lower the ohm’s the less power it takes to drive the headphones to full volume. When you go lower in ohm’s it introduces some distortion as opposed to the high ohm’s, which provides more detail but less volume. At that point you’ll need a headphone amplifier to drive the sound up.
I’m going to go with the 770’s since I will need to be recording a lot of guitar and vocals. Them being such good mixing headphones as well is the cherry on top for me
LOL, good mixing headphones? They are fabulous headphones, but their sound is very colored. So they are not suitable for mixing unless you use something like SoundID Reference to "fix" that.
@@JanusJanavas the DT770s have been the most popular mixing headphone since they were introduced in the 70s lol. Not necessarily the best, you can always buy more expensive and better headphones, but these are flat-out the best in the market for $150
@@kadenielsen210 Bass and treble response are so hyped on these headphones. LOL. Try to use them with the SoundID application or something similar, and you will understand it. I don't care who and when used them. I trust my ears and common sense. > but these are flat-out the best in the market for $150 Any proofs or technical specs to support your statement? DT 990 PROs sound better, and they cost the same.
Bought the DT990 in (wait for it) 1990. In short they are bullet proof!!! Very well made. I've used them both at home and whilst traveling. They do stand the test of time in both quality of construction & sound quality. Admittedly they do need driving with higher volumes from more modern portable devices but saying that they do deliver. Spares are available and I think in all the time I have had them I have replaces the ear foams once and the foam inlays. All in all if you want tip top quality go for them ...
Wow, that's awesome to hear. Your DT990's are older than me, can't find many other products that can last that long and still be fully functional and relevant. I hope mine will get to be this age as well. Thanks for sharing!
agree, they are built like a tank even though they may not look the part. my first the DT770 lasted me over 13 years all be it i did change the headband 2 times, both earpads 3 times the left driver(speaker) once and the cable once, over time. out of these replacement parts the driver was most expensive coming in around 48 - 55 euros. last week the right driver stopped working which made me sad in a way. was hoping it would last a little longer. but that made me decide to buy a fresh DT770 yet again. fun fact i remember paying roughly 240 euros for my first DT770, nowadays the basic model (80 Ohm) cost around 150 euros.
I have both headphones & use them via Zen dac + laptop. I mostly use the Dt990 250ohm because I like the open back presentation of music/sound Like I am sitting infront of the band/orchestra. While the other DT770 80ohm has a more in your head/mind sound, still very pleasant but can be a little intense on some sounds. Fortunately I have not experienced this sharp treble attack on most music as often commented on by reviewers on youtube in relation to both models.
I am looking for my first pair of headphones, and this shap treble attacks is something I really am afraid of! the DT990 pro is also my top choice right now, and I've compared it to the likes of HD600, AKG K702, all of which is powered through a Fiio K3 amp. By zen dac I assume u mean the Ifi zen dacs ?and also how is ur experience from owning the DT990s
@@hongwei4809 Yes I use an Ifi Zen Dac, really nice solid DAC with a very nice sound (for me atleast...) I use the DT990's, as you probably are aware it is an open back headphone and the sound for me is satisfying to say the least, the SQ serves well with most genres of music (from pop to jazz to Classical music to heavy rock to all acoustics arrangements including music from Arabia, Middle East, Europe) and I use it for Netflix films and all other programmes. It is also comfortable to wear for long periods...
@@Romulus980 Hey man appreciate the reply even though the comment was almost a year ago! Thanks so much for that, it's great knowing you really enjoyed them even though it's been a whole year. i'm looking to get the ifi zen dacs as well, I hope they are able to hold up with any future headphones. I primarily listen to alot of Indie, rock, pop and rap/black music, with the occasional jazz as well. The cables not being detachable is abit of a bummer, but it's pretty affordable as of now.
Im glad you mentioned the treble not being as harsh because that was the only issue i had before i buy them. Ive got a phase filter on my amp which i was thinking as a possible fix anyway. Cheers
I've got the DT990 PRO for a very long time (bought them for CS:GO) now i dont play games where i need to hear the steps and when there is someone sleeping next to me i will get the DT770 PRO also. Thanks for this awesome Review!
One thing I’ve found interesting about my 770’s which are the 250 Ohm flavor, is that with a flat eq, there is a slight bit more bass than say a deeper more bass heavy eq, I’m running them off of my IPad with a Fiio BTR3K Dac/amp, then put through a cheap portable amp with gain/bass switches and I’m absolutely in love with them
I have both in 250 ohm. Each has a valid function. Playback leakage when recording a vocal is pretty handily handled with the DT770's. I like the open back 990's for working out a nice pre-mix EQ tweaking and track placement before going to the monitors. Like most of us here, it's life lived on a budget. The phones will not disappoint.
I would recommend the beyerdynamic tygr 300 r instead IF you can actually get them that is. It's basically reskinned and differantly tuned dt990 without the treble peaks
The DT770 PRO 250ohm are one of the best headphone bargains available today.Its a perfect closed over ear headphone under $300.Very comfortable. Its neutral,accurate,detailed,natural,dynamic and euphonic.And good for all genres of music.And the bass goes down to 5hz!! I don't think they are bright at all.They are detailed without being too bright,shrill or harsh.I guess it depends on your amplifier, DAC and recording quality.
Oh wow, I thought the same as well, I thought I was watching a video from a 100k+ subscriber channel! Great video man! I'll most likely be going for the 770 version. I've seen on other videos that the 80 Ohm is best for us regular sound loving people. while the 250 Ohm is for sound experts/audio engineer type people because they know what to do with it. I could learn something from your video production, good stuff!
i can´t DECIDE !!!!!!!! But thanks for input. I already have the DT 770 Pro (which are not even mine, they are from my bandmate) And i personally love the closed back and to be cut off my environment. But in my research i found out that open backs will be more clear, so in fact better for mixing. That makes it hard for me to decide. I will sleep until black friday and reevaluate my decision process! Thanks ! Great on point and informative Video!
keep in mind that ciem is still ciem, it has that sound/fun not found on universals, even headphone smth like stronger and more precise smth along those
I bought the 990pro and I love it .Dont expect strong bass without a headphone amplifier and dont expect it on bad recordings as well . Great headphone, great transparency , I really love them .
I just wanted to drop a line and say this was super helpful - I was searching for a new pair of supplement my Sennheiser PC37X headset for better media consumption at my computer. I liked the deep sub-bass the DT770 offered, but I'm also partial to open-backs for the sound stage and maintaining a loose awareness of my surroundings (e.g. my cat mewing to go in/out); my fear was I would loose some of the bass since open-backs *are* typically flatter. Glad to know that if anything, the opposite is the case, so I'm confident the DT990 are better for my use case.
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Thank you for this video. solved all the complexity in my mind. glad to have you.
just bought the DT770 Pro 80ohm and a Onyx interface, i’m producing electronic music and IDM/breaks/dnb etc.. Cannot wait to get these tomorrow and play with them over the weekend ✌🏽✌🏽 Thanks so so much for this video, always the best thing watching the reviews/unboxings etc before they arrive (tomorrow)
@@kakerusatsuki8791 they are Absolutely great!! Very bright and colourful, extremely pleasing flat sound, nice and comfortable. ear fatigue is inevitable tho after a good few hours.
Use DT770s - 80 ohm for recording, 250ohm for mixing and mastering - have open back DT880s 250ohm for critical listening and would probably go for DT990s for same is i ever need to replace. Good video though, very well explained.
I had the 990s for about 3 years and the cable pulled out internally which entirely stopped them from working! It's been a few years but after this review, I might have to order myself a soldering iron...
I am lucky and proud to own both pairs and use both for (REFERENCING) all the time. Both are excellent. I find the DT990 more rewarding playback, more of a warm consumer playback!
You stated the exact opinions I was forming myself! I bought both and am returning one pair. Primarily I will be making beats, music, and recording VoiceOver. While the 990 do feel more comfortable (the pads are actually different on the two pairs if you take them off and look... they're softer on the 990), the low/mid cut and the high boost is not conducive to mixing music like you said. I am going to keep the 770s and maybe even try putting the 880/990 pads on them if it doesn't affect the sound too much.
Best solution: buy both. I use the 990 for films or concerts/live music, for example, because its open design creates a great listening experience, and the 770 when I want to listen to a CD undisturbed. I can wear the DT990pro for hours without it bothering me. Because of the higher contact pressure, I have to take the DT770pro off now and then if I'm having a very long music session. A few minutes and then it's fine again. But my head circumference is >60cm. My first DT770pro lasted 10 years and it would have lasted even longer if I'd treated it more carefully. It's important to replace the ear pads regularly. Especially in the summer, when there are four fans running in my apartment, I can't binge watch series without the headphones. 😁 You sweat a lot then and the pads suffer over time. Also simply from wearing them for a long time. I replaced the pads on my 990 a few weeks ago and now it's like having a new model. Don't underestimate this! And if the price seems too high, the headphones will last for many years and are of exceptionally good quality in terms of workmanship and sound! I still remember the first time I watched a concert DVD and had the 770 on and suddenly heard people in the audience talking. Talking, not shouting!! And I had already seen this concert a dozen times and never noticed it. Once Beyerdynamic, always Beyerdynamic.
About cables. Everyone says that fixed cable is downside. But I have faced couple removable cable connector failure with AudioTechnicas but I haven't still broken DT770 cable. So I guess that fixed cable is not downside. To be honest I find earcup padding to be most common failure point on these bit better headphones. I know that cables go with low-end but in this price point they seem to be pretty solid.
So I own some DT770's, I guess I will give a bit of criticism to balance things out too. I kinda consider them overpriced. Don't get me wrong, the build quality is fantastic. But there's a problem with the sound, and the cable. The sound is all over the place, they aren't tuned well. They aren't actually very bassy at all because the 200hz range is scooped out so hard, so it's only sub-bass that's left. And the number one complaint they get: the treble is so loud and kinda piercing. When you turn them to a comfortable volume, the mids (where the instruments and vocals mostly are) sound so quiet, because just the treble is at a proper volume. You CAN fix this with EQ, but good headphones shouldn't need EQ. Tldr, the tuning is all over the place, like crappy knock-off headphones usually are. Shure SRH440's are better tuned and cost $100 instead of $170. The problem with the cable is it's not removable. The one it has is very good, but the cable is the first thing to break on a pair of headphones. The DT's have permanent cables that, if it breaks, your only option will be to attempt a replacement yourself. Meaning taking them apart, soldering in a new cable, and hoping the disassembly didn't ruin the driver (and it probably will). So hear me out. DT770's are around $170. AKG K240's are about $70, and they're openbacks with a removable cable. I loaded up the Crinacle Auto-EQ profile for the K240's so they have a Harman Curve tuning (slight bass boost, slight treble boost). And guess what? The K240's blow the DT770's out of the water. Bassy but not too bassy, treble is clear but not piercing, mids are close and detailed, etc. Yeah, Auto-EQ is a headache to use (and vanilla K240's aren't very good), but $100 less for superior sound and longevity?
According to the frequency response graph, the tuning shouldn't be all over the place. In fact, they look quite linear until the 5k and 12k bumps. I suppose that's what you were referring to when mentioning the "piercing treble". I was looking forward to get these headphones as a second reference for my mixes. Would you recommed other headphones (not AKG, bad rep nowadays due to quality issues) in this price range that could be better?
bought the dt 770 pro 250 ohm with a fiio k5 pro, so gooood. Today i picked up the dt 990 pro 250 ohms, and i will say both are nice. I will prob keep both and use them in diffrent scenarios :)
Just bought 770's online and they're for my Roland TD17KXV Drumkit. The module with the Roland recommends Headphones in the 50-150 Ohm range so I might have bitten off more than I can chew with the 770 250 Ohm version but if that's the case, I will get a small amp to boost the sound and quality. Great video!
I’m planning on buying a pair of new headphones, but I mix, record and master my music myself. Therefore i the most effective pair, which one should I choose?
I have the 770s and wondered for a while if the 990s would have been a better choice for mixing and mastering due to the conceptions you mentioned, so this video was really useful, but I'm still interested in getting a pair of open-back headphones and would love to know which ones you would go for instead of the 990s in the same range.
If you like the general sound signature of your DT 770, there's a chance you won't be a Sennheiser fan, since they go for a quite different sound signature (at least from what I heard in headphones in that price range), so I would try to look into something from AKG or Audio Technica as starting points, since they have well regarded open-back models in that price range.
@@odysseyofcuriosity you're spot on with the sennhiser opinion, I never liked sennhiser, and trying them at my local store, i realise that the instrumental/backgrounds are often very muddy, and it seems to be lacking in clarity and sharpness. nonetheless the soundstage is very intimate, and the vocals are simply amazing.
I'd always recommend getting both yourself and personally testing them, headphones are incredibly subjective, from the comfort to the sound quality. If you want a pair of headphones for mixing you shouldn't go for either in my opinion, the HD 560s are far better for that, but they are boring to listen to.
OK so... I produce, record, mix & master. I also love really heavy bass but I don't want to miss any of the mid or high end sounds either. Do you think I should get the 770 then?
I already own a DT990 and they are amazing....Usually they say open backs leak sound so that it will have issues when u record sound....but I did not find any issues with that by reducing the loudness level of the playback....But what I find the major issue with DT990 is I cannot do sound design esp for making sure my Kick sound is good....so had to order the DT770.....But overall I am very happy with DT990 though.
Thanks for the comparison! I'm a music producer and my DT990 Pro's just broke (after 10+ years of loyal service!) so I wanted a new pair, but I was curios about the DT 770 because of my noisy neighbours...Haha! 😅 I'm still not sure wich ones to choose, but I guess I'll try the DT770 this time and if I don't like them I can just resell them and get the good old DT990 instead :)
I have a DT 770 pro 250 Ohm in use since 2009, recently the voice coil on the right side went open, I ordered a new driver to replace it and they sound about the same, but there are some minute differences between new and old. I'm going to order a second driver so that both are the same. Also a good advice, replace your earpads regularly, as with time the foam degrades, which changes how they sound, less sub bass. I gently hand wash the pads a few times before replacing them, as the velour soaks up everything and becomes grubby after some time.
Thanks for the video. Frequency spikes/humps/dips can be smoothed out by acoustic modeling software like Sonarworks. The one thing I wish they'd have as an option is a straight (non-coiled) cable. - Coiled cables are a nightmare in a busy recording studio. They pull on your head and get tangled with everything.
I've seen a lot of streamers that uses this (Ninja to begin with) and most of them are using the 990 because they want the open back to hear what is around them. Also because the highs are good for gaming (specially to FPS) Just make sure you get a good AMP to power them (they are 250 ohms and PC's ussually have 80 ohms of power) If is underpower you will loose a lot of volume and quality. But for gaming I preffer the 990, but if the room is too loud the close-back of the 770 will be a better option for you.
I’ve fallen asleep with my 770’s on all night and my ears don’t hurt in the morning, the only thing thats ever been weird with them to me, was the first day I got them, and that was the circular shape not completely sealing on my ears but that went away pretty quickly
I love your video. I've just ordered the TD990 Pro 250 ohm for casual listening using a tube amp with a headphone stage. Just a note: the coiled cable is 1.5m, and is 3m straight (when stretched).
Really informative video! Enjoyed watching and understanding throughout. I am thinking to get myself 770s, but confused whether I should go for 32 Ohms or 80 Ohms with an audio interface. My main purpose here is to mix the music.
if you use 770s in mixing & mastering, then maybe use the 990s as reference. and vice versa. a pair of nice speakers would be great, if you really want good results. i think mixing & mastering using headphones are for those who have no treated rooms (just like me). though i always have to rest my ears every 30min or so, since the sound goes directly into them and could damage my hearing.
Great video! Thank you very much! I plan to use them for gaming and would prefer the 990 version for the wider soundstage. But... most of the time I play online and I also need a microphone. Could the sound being emitted through the open back be a problem for speaking through an external microphone? I want to be able to hear all the details (footsteps, etc.), but it's also important that other players can hear me clearly.
If your external microphone is a dynamic, no way. If you go with a LD condenser, depending on your positioning and how loud you push your headphones, maybe? But under normal circumstances (normal headphone level, usual mic position, good threshold setting or push-to-talk on your chat app), no, people won't hear your headphones through your mic. I use this exact setup to game and got no complaints. Hope this helps!
I know I’m very late but I’m stuck between both of these headphones. Also the hifiman he x4 and the tygr 300r I have no amp and don’t plan on getting one if you had to pick between these options for someone who plays Dota 2 and plays music 24/7 what would you pick or suggest for me?
These headphones are brilliant. They have been introduced in the mid of eighties and stayed nearly unchanged since then! I remember that they were very expensive at that time, so its a pleasure to get them for an affordable price now. I use and love my 770 since decades now. You can't get wrong with them!
I'm very happy with my 770 250 ohm. For some rason, my laptop can handle them directly into the sound interface which is great, but I also have a proper interface for my main PC. Yes, the lows are not too strong, the highs are clear, but I use an eq for my PC and color a bit the lows. Just a little bit.
Andrew you are right. I have 770/32 and recently 990/250 w hip dac added. Harshness on hi frequency heard from 990. Once EQed. They are one step better for me on music. And yes, I am hi freq openness biased
The DT 990s 250ohm with Sonarworks SoundID reference is it! The two combined is what makes it for me. Actually the dt 770 with the sound id reference doesn’t sound good. I perfer it without the sound id reference.
Hello Andrew You mean the DT770 for mixing & mastering Bater even it's closed back because most Sound Enginering they say You mast use Headphones with closed back
If you can't find another edition (32 ohms/80 ohms), then go for the 250 ohms. They will work even straight into a decent motherboard soundcard, even though they are meant for professional equipment. They won't get crazy crazy loud, but you probably shouldn't listen at such levels anyway. If you feel you need a better source, you can always upgrade your soundcard later down the line. Hope this helps!
I had a dt770 pro 80 in 2012 paired with fiio e10 dac, ordered another dt770 pro yesterday, is there any other best headphone like the dt770 ? I really like that clean sub bas extension like that..any recommendations?
Thank you so much man. I always hear that for my mixing and general music production I should get 990s but I have a giant noisy pc next to me which made me confused about which one was actually better for me. I think I will choose the 770s now that I know that they aren't actually much worse for music production and mixing :)
The benefits of a wider soundstage (due to open back headphones) don't weigh that much when there is a lot of noise in your environment. While producing, it's much more important to be able to clearly hear what you are working on, even if this means settling for a more confined presentation. If your PC is very noisy and you can't to anything about it, just go with the DT770. Good luck!
The DT990s are great for gaming, and in that case I would look for the 80 ohm edition. Motherboards have improved a lot when it comes to sound cards, so if you have a fairly recent gaming PC there's a high chance you won't "need" an external DAC/amp combo to be happy. I would get just the headphones first, try them out connected straight into the built-in sound card (make sure to disable all useless DSP effects/Headphone Mode/Windows sound enhancers/EQ's/Atmos/3D Audio nonsense) and see if there are any issues. Look for stuff such as white noise/hiss, muddy/boomy sound that's lacking detail, clipping distortion when you turn up the volume or a lack of overall volume (do the headphones go loud enough on max?). If you don't notice any of these issues, then there's no obvious reason forcing you to get an external DAC/amp now. Hope this helps!
i'm waiting for 770. I hope it's a good decision. Right now i have Asus Rog Delta Core. I know these are gaming headphones, and 770 are studio headphones. I just love to make house music, beats, dubstep music occasionally. In one word, I LOVE MUSIC. But to have all that stuff i need ( studio monitors and treatment acoustic and others) i need money and if i don't have right know, i think it was a good decision to buy these headphones :D
The biggest downer for the 770 pro i got now for 3 years or more (I don't really know anymore) is the changing of the earpads themselves... Took me about half an hour do get it done...
People dont realize that if you plug your headphones into a decent receiver/dac+amp/interface and use an EQ to cut unpleasant frequencies, than really any decent pair of studio headphones will be good for any purpose (even gaming/content consumption)
Partly true, but most people don't have the equipment to measure frequency responses, which means you'll have to do it by ear. Which is not a great option. Also, headphones can be physically incapable of achieving certain frequencies. So yeah you can tell them through software what they have to do, but the hardware might not be able to pull it off
Hey man! The UMC 404 HD works fine with 250 ohm headphones. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't have the best, cleanest (distortion free) headphone amp out there - if you really want loud volumes and totally distortion free audio, a dedicated amp costing probably about the same as the interface will be better. But if you don't push the volume further than 12 o'clock it will be just fine in my experience. Hope this helps!
hi, i have a 2 questions. which headphones would be better for playing videogames. dt 990 pro? or dt 770 pro. my second question would be what would be better ohm for gaming? 80 ohm or 250 ohm? thanks!
For gaming, choose the DT990. And if these are your first "good" headphones, and you don't have fancy audio gear to plug them into, go with the 80 ohms version - they offer better compatibility with built in sound cards and other regular devices. Anyway, great choice, you'll love them! Good luck 🤞
Great video! I got a used pair of 770s a couple of months ago. Now a used pair of 990s is for sale in my town (for 50€!) so I think I will have to pick them up as well. Both pairs are the 250 Ω version, I'm using an Objective headphone amp.
I have the DT770s. And i love them. I still want an open back planar headset. But for now, going from the overhyped ATH M50x to the DT770s im stoked. I would not get both the DT990 and DT770. Now that i have one, Id rather get maybe the Sundara or something in that price range next. Or the HD600s.
Thanks for your comment. I own an ATH M50x and was at first looking at a open back headphone to get another perspective on my mixes, but to be honest, as great as this comparison video is, I'm still unsure that given I own the M50x I should go for the DT990 or DT770, would you mind to elaborate your feelings of switching from the M50x to the DT770? Are you still using both?
@@raymondrutjes788 still using both. Upgraded the earpads to much thicker earpads on the ath m50x and this resolved a lot of issues for me. Personally the stock earpads are rubbish. Getting thicker earpads that move your ear further away from the driver is a must. But I would get a set of dt770 Pro 250ohm headphones. The two are vastly different but awesome to use and compare. The dt770 Pro I use on my pc and the ath m50x I use on my laptop or my phone.
For audio mixing on a video editing software for a non professional audio mixer (just to be clear) but to have the better audio mix possible. Which one would you recommend ? (Directly plugged in my Mac 3.5mm jack )
I would personally pick the DT770 in your case. The closed back design with its better noise isolation will really help when doing audio editing for video, and the flatter frequency response should also serve you better. Sound stage won't weigh that much in your typical mix, so you won't loose much by not going with an open back design. Hope this helps. Good luck!
I'm kinda late to the party, but I'm surprised you didn't mention that the impedance rating of the headphones make all the difference in how easy/hard they are to drive. For example, the DT 770 Pro comes in an 80 ohm, which (unlike your 250 ohm model) is very easy to get a good volume on the vast majority of interfaces. It makes no sense to buy a 250 ohm headphone when you own consumer-level electronics or a budget audio interface (like your Behringer unit). Some headphone makers are even making 32 ohm versions of their headphones, so that they can be powered by mobile devices like phones, iPads, etc. Bottom line, the lower the impedance, the less power needed to drive the headphones. 250 ohm headphones are a holdover from pro studios of DECADES ago where everything in the studio required higher voltage, so headphones of the time were designed so they wouldn't get overloaded when plugged in to, say, the console/mixer. Also, dedicated headphone amps were a mainstay of pro studios, but are simply not needed anymore for bedroom producers who aren't doing live tracking with multiple musicians needing different monitor mixes. Of course an headphone amp will solve your level problem with high impedance headphones, but why buy high impedance phones in the first place if your audio interface can't drive them?
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Comparison starts at 3:30
I saw this comment and clicked it when I was literally at 3:30 lol
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Amazing video, just what I was looking for! I was already stuck between the DT770 and the DT990, because I work a lot in the radio business. But the line from frequency response of the DT770 seems a bit more flat, which in my opinion is better because then you’ll hear everything great. So the DT770 it is! Thank you so much!
How is the low end?
@@matan2903 bought them both and the low end is better on the dt 770.
The 990's maybe have more clear and detailed low end but you can't hear it as well because of how it's tuned, the highs are really REALLY loud at least for me and it ruins my listening experience and when mixing it leaves me with ringing ears on full volume unlike the 770s.
sorry for being late btw.
@@studderistThanks, mate
@@DenisYehorov no problem, just remember everyone hears stuff differently and whats good for me might not be good for you
true reliability is the main trait of kse1500, smth casual listeners might not need, or want
For a very specific usecase, if anyone here has Sound ID Reference, grab the DT990. You get the better soundstage of the DT990 and Sound ID Reference can correct the DT990 to sound flat. Even flatter than the 770.
Hey there, I'm looking for the best pair of headphones out of these:
1) DT990 Premium (600 ohm)
2) DT990 Premium (250 ohm)
2) DT990 Pro (250 ohm)
3) DT880 Pro (250 ohm)
4) DT770 Pro (250 ohm)
Could you please suggest me the best option from the list??
*I have a Sound Blaster G6 and my primary requirements are gaming, movies and music.*
@@princesmith8008 gaming? buy a 20$ headphones so, because you don't need to spend a lot of money only for gaming
@@manuelarrabito876 That's a pretty dumb take lol
Incredible video, honestly speechless was expecting you'd have 570k subs and not 570 subs
Thank you very much, Daniel! I am glad you enjoyed the video. Hope you'll enjoy the next ones, as well!
literally was thinking this
Omg I thought the same
amazing video
Lol same here! So I subbed
I have the 770s for about a year. Today at Guitar Center, I A/B'd the 770 & 990.
The 990 s have a much fuller sound. I immediately preferred the 990 over the 770.
Guitarded center does not have an adequate amp for the 80, let alone 250 ohm cans.
@@scottlowell493 what? Have you been to a guitar center? They have anywhere from $200-$600 preamps. And if you're referring to actual amps they have anything you'd want. You don't need a 1k amp to power a $160 set of 80ohm headphones...
Yeah in my case, a 30 euros mackie does the job and I'm only using 1 of the 4 jacks it has@@Relax-il7zn
This exactly what he was saying. thank you for reporting back!
I purchased the DT 770 Pro 80 Ohms a few weeks ago and I use them exclusively for....wait for it.....listening to music! They are fantastic for that - dynamic, punchy when it needs to be, clear and articulate. And I love the fact that it has real sub-bass and none of it bleeds into the lower midrange so they are non-muddy. Also, for closed backs, the soundstage is incredible.
And yes, I know, this - and the 990 - are always marketed as headphones for mixing, mastering, recording, editing, etc, etc. But no one talks about using them for listening to music. I don't want a pair of headphones that glosses over any imperfections. The way that songs are recorded is the way that they are recorded. I want musical truth and the 770 gives it to me. I can still appreciate the artistry and talent of the musicians and they can still convey their ideas regardless of how it was recorded, mixed, edited, etc. The 770 allows me to hear the artists and engineers' intent at that moment in time and that's special to me.
am thinking about buying them to listen to music and play some games, would you recommend them?
@@noahmikk-_-7012 I would
Did you need an amp to drive the dt770 80ohms?
@@gnanasekaran_shanmuugam you don't need one necessarily if your device can output enough mW to drive them. Sometimes, if I'm being lazy, I'll just plug it directly into my MacBook and it's perfectly fine. But when I'm needing a little more "presence", I do have a couple headphone amps I could plug them into.
@@gnanasekaran_shanmuugam i don’t think an amp is necessary
Your assessment on flatter frequency response for DT770 being better for mixing and mastering over the better soundstage from DT990 makes perfect sense.
@Ashley Wright They are not extremely V-Shaped tho thyre quite flat, they are used by a lot of people for mixing for that reaosn.
@@DanielLopez-up6os lol. No they're not at all flat. If you think so, you might wanna get your hearing checked.
They sound great, but no where near flat. As mentioned above, the HD 280 Pro by Sennheiser is a good, cheap "relatively flat" headphone.
@@modvind the can you mention is closed back, only good for recording and tracking. While mixing, mastering, we need semi open or open back, so dt990 can is good option.
@@StaffViet2009 You don't "need" semi-open or open headphones for that. The 990s are a great example of that; not very flat at all. Although, they do have amazingly fast dirvers, and great trancient response. But the tonal balance is so off, I can't trust them for anything but fine details.
If you want to mix and master properly, monitors are your best tool anyway, in a proberly treated room, of course ;)
@@modvind hmm...good advice, but my primary concert is mobility with less compromise, because i spend less time at home, want to get my music quick to cilent. I also hear closed back is bad for ear health on long listening time, open back is much breath taking..?
I own both (80ohm) for music production and I still do not know which I like better. I rarely reach for headphones but when I do I tend to use the 770's for tracking & sound design due to the isolation and use the 990's for more critical decisions for mixing & mastering. Both will do either job quite well albeit maybe not as well as higher priced headphones like Audeze or Sennheiser's HD series.
I found the DT 990 Pro beat some headphones that are double their price. Beyerdynamic manufacturers them since ages, with the occasional update. That is why their price is not upper range, but their sound is. Sennheisers for the same price do not beat them, I think
I like Sennhieser for music. listening, but can't vouch that they belong in a studio.
Bought the DT 770 80 ohm and absolutely love them! Casual listening is a dream and sound very similar to my car system...so they are great for me when referencing mixes without having to jump in my car much. BUT...I am patiently waiting for the DT880...I feel these are underrated and rarely talked about in detail...but we'll see.
Do you need a amp for the 80ohm?? They sound low volume connected to my iPhone via Apple dongle
car speakers what lol bro, they are not similar bro 🤣
Maybe you need DT 770 Pro 32 Ohm
Ffs whats the difference between 80 ohm and the 250. Why tf does all this have to be so unnecessarily complicated.
@@ghostfrieza2904 from my understanding, I think the lower the ohm’s the less power it takes to drive the headphones to full volume. When you go lower in ohm’s it introduces some distortion as opposed to the high ohm’s, which provides more detail but less volume. At that point you’ll need a headphone amplifier to drive the sound up.
I’m going to go with the 770’s since I will need to be recording a lot of guitar and vocals. Them being such good mixing headphones as well is the cherry on top for me
Sounds like they are perfect for you! Have fun with them and record some killer tracks! Good luck 🤞
LOL, good mixing headphones? They are fabulous headphones, but their sound is very colored. So they are not suitable for mixing unless you use something like SoundID Reference to "fix" that.
@@JanusJanavas the DT770s have been the most popular mixing headphone since they were introduced in the 70s lol. Not necessarily the best, you can always buy more expensive and better headphones, but these are flat-out the best in the market for $150
@@kadenielsen210 Bass and treble response are so hyped on these headphones. LOL. Try to use them with the SoundID application or something similar, and you will understand it. I don't care who and when used them. I trust my ears and common sense.
> but these are flat-out the best in the market for $150
Any proofs or technical specs to support your statement? DT 990 PROs sound better, and they cost the same.
@@JanusJanavas красава, накрутил хвост буржуям😂
I use a DT770 and I'm very satisfied. I tried a DT990 in the store, and I liked the DT770 better.
Bought the DT990 in (wait for it) 1990.
In short they are bullet proof!!!
Very well made. I've used them both at home and whilst traveling.
They do stand the test of time in both quality of construction & sound quality. Admittedly they do need driving with higher volumes from more modern portable devices but saying that they do deliver. Spares are available and I think in all the time I have had them I have replaces the ear foams once and the foam inlays.
All in all if you want tip top quality go for them ...
Wow, that's awesome to hear. Your DT990's are older than me, can't find many other products that can last that long and still be fully functional and relevant. I hope mine will get to be this age as well. Thanks for sharing!
I'm almost 100% certain the modern dt-99'0s are different.
agree, they are built like a tank even though they may not look the part.
my first the DT770 lasted me over 13 years all be it i did change the headband 2 times, both earpads 3 times the left driver(speaker) once and the cable once, over time. out of these replacement parts the driver was most expensive coming in around 48 - 55 euros.
last week the right driver stopped working which made me sad in a way. was hoping it would last a little longer.
but that made me decide to buy a fresh DT770 yet again.
fun fact i remember paying roughly 240 euros for my first DT770, nowadays the basic model (80 Ohm) cost around 150 euros.
After much googling and confusion you cleared it up for me really well. Good job and thanks!
I have both headphones & use them via Zen dac + laptop. I mostly use the Dt990 250ohm because I like the open back presentation of music/sound Like I am sitting infront of the band/orchestra. While the other DT770 80ohm has a more in your head/mind sound, still very pleasant but can be a little intense on some sounds. Fortunately I have not experienced this sharp treble attack on most music as often commented on by reviewers on youtube in relation to both models.
I am looking for my first pair of headphones, and this shap treble attacks is something I really am afraid of! the DT990 pro is also my top choice right now, and I've compared it to the likes of HD600, AKG K702, all of which is powered through a Fiio K3 amp. By zen dac I assume u mean the Ifi zen dacs ?and also how is ur experience from owning the DT990s
@@hongwei4809 Yes I use an Ifi Zen Dac, really nice solid DAC with a very nice sound (for me atleast...) I use the DT990's, as you probably are aware it is an open back headphone and the sound for me is satisfying to say the least, the SQ serves well with most genres of music (from pop to jazz to Classical music to heavy rock to all acoustics arrangements including music from Arabia, Middle East, Europe) and I use it for Netflix films and all other programmes. It is also comfortable to wear for long periods...
@@Romulus980 Hey man appreciate the reply even though the comment was almost a year ago!
Thanks so much for that, it's great knowing you really enjoyed them even though it's been a whole year. i'm looking to get the ifi zen dacs as well, I hope they are able to hold up with any future headphones.
I primarily listen to alot of Indie, rock, pop and rap/black music, with the occasional jazz as well. The cables not being detachable is abit of a bummer, but it's pretty affordable as of now.
Im glad you mentioned the treble not being as harsh because that was the only issue i had before i buy them. Ive got a phase filter on my amp which i was thinking as a possible fix anyway. Cheers
I've got the DT990 PRO for a very long time (bought them for CS:GO) now i dont play games where i need to hear the steps and when there is someone sleeping next to me i will get the DT770 PRO also. Thanks for this awesome Review!
Glad I could help! Enjoy them both ❤️
One thing I’ve found interesting about my 770’s which are the 250 Ohm flavor, is that with a flat eq, there is a slight bit more bass than say a deeper more bass heavy eq, I’m running them off of my IPad with a Fiio BTR3K Dac/amp, then put through a cheap portable amp with gain/bass switches and I’m absolutely in love with them
Do you happen to run them out of the 2.5 balenced output?
For Gaming and casual Music listening the DT 770 Pro (80 Ohm) is an absolute Gem.
i did my research before buying my 770 i like the closebacks because i can be more immersed while i listen to my music
this is the best review I could find hands down. thanks a ton man 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I have both in 250 ohm. Each has a valid function. Playback leakage when recording a vocal is pretty handily handled with the DT770's. I like the open back 990's for working out a nice pre-mix EQ tweaking and track placement before going to the monitors. Like most of us here, it's life lived on a budget. The phones will not disappoint.
Thanks for the great review. Gonna grab 770 after all :) not a problem to buy 990, but seems for production I’ll need 770
Glad I could help! Good luck and let us know what you think when they arrive! :)
I would recommend the beyerdynamic tygr 300 r instead IF you can actually get them that is. It's basically reskinned and differantly tuned dt990 without the treble peaks
Will the ifi zen dac v2 drive the 250 ohm versions? I know they should on paper, but just making sure.
I'm listening to your video through my new DT-770 Pros. Love 'em!
I have a pair of DT-770's and I am very satisfied With them.
awesome, always wanted to get my headphones reviewed by Frodo
Life is hard man, you need to be able to switch paths if needed
@@odysseyofcuriosityshare the load 😂
Very clear explanation, helped me make the decision between the two. Thank you for making this video Andrew! 🌸🌹🌸
Glad I could help! Enjoy your new headphones!
The DT770 PRO 250ohm are one of the best headphone bargains available today.Its a perfect closed over ear headphone under $300.Very comfortable. Its neutral,accurate,detailed,natural,dynamic and euphonic.And good for all genres of music.And the bass goes down to 5hz!! I don't think they are bright at all.They are detailed without being too bright,shrill or harsh.I guess it depends on your amplifier, DAC and recording quality.
I make electronic dance music, and use a little UA Arrow soundcard, should i go for DT770 Pro 80 or 250 Ohm?
@@AlonsoGonzalez 80 is better because 250 you will need an amp eventually
Oh wow, I thought the same as well, I thought I was watching a video from a 100k+ subscriber channel! Great video man! I'll most likely be going for the 770 version. I've seen on other videos that the 80 Ohm is best for us regular sound loving people. while the 250 Ohm is for sound experts/audio engineer type people because they know what to do with it. I could learn something from your video production, good stuff!
I've had the DT 990 and DT 770. I am team DT 700. It seems less fatiguing, and I prefer the trade off of less sound stage and closed off world.
i can´t DECIDE !!!!!!!! But thanks for input.
I already have the DT 770 Pro (which are not even mine, they are from my bandmate)
And i personally love the closed back and to be cut off my environment.
But in my research i found out that open backs will be more clear, so in fact better for mixing. That makes it hard for me to decide.
I will sleep until black friday and reevaluate my decision process!
Thanks ! Great on point and informative Video!
@Reid James got the dt 1990 pro open backs and im happy with them.
keep in mind that ciem is still ciem, it has that sound/fun not found on universals, even headphone
smth like stronger and more precise smth along those
I bought the 990pro and I love it .Dont expect strong bass without a headphone amplifier and dont expect it on bad recordings as well . Great headphone, great transparency , I really love them .
that was exactly why I came to this video. Thank you so much
Glad you found it helpful! Good luck
I just wanted to drop a line and say this was super helpful - I was searching for a new pair of supplement my Sennheiser PC37X headset for better media consumption at my computer. I liked the deep sub-bass the DT770 offered, but I'm also partial to open-backs for the sound stage and maintaining a loose awareness of my surroundings (e.g. my cat mewing to go in/out); my fear was I would loose some of the bass since open-backs *are* typically flatter. Glad to know that if anything, the opposite is the case, so I'm confident the DT990 are better for my use case.
Thank you for this video. solved all the complexity in my mind. glad to have you.
Glad it helped! Enjoy your headphones, whichever you end up getting! ✌️
just bought the DT770 Pro 80ohm and a Onyx interface, i’m producing electronic music and IDM/breaks/dnb etc.. Cannot wait to get these tomorrow and play with them over the weekend ✌🏽✌🏽 Thanks so so much for this video, always the best thing watching the reviews/unboxings etc before they arrive (tomorrow)
how is it?
How are they? lol
@@kakerusatsuki8791 they are Absolutely great!! Very bright and colourful, extremely pleasing flat sound, nice and comfortable. ear fatigue is inevitable tho after a good few hours.
@@spencerbott4 Worth the money and extremely accurate. almost too accurate (kidding)
@@user-hc5tv6yk9t thnx for the answer, I am between the open-back version of this and audio technica ath m50x.
Use DT770s - 80 ohm for recording, 250ohm for mixing and mastering - have open back DT880s 250ohm for critical listening and would probably go for DT990s for same is i ever need to replace. Good video though, very well explained.
I’m going to go with the 770s. They should be coming in the mail by tomorrow!
@Em0 Thats whats up. I would love to hear some of your music.
Great video! (chose the DT770s and they're great!)
Glad you're enjoying them! Thanks for watching :)
I had the 990s for about 3 years and the cable pulled out internally which entirely stopped them from working! It's been a few years but after this review, I might have to order myself a soldering iron...
you can fix it. you only need a screwdriver and soldering device.
I am lucky and proud to own both pairs and use both for (REFERENCING) all the time. Both are excellent. I find the DT990 more rewarding playback, more of a warm consumer playback!
this was the perfect video for me. you deserve way more subs than 1.1k
Glad you found it useful! Good luck 🤞
Appreciate this video. I was trying to find something for this exact comparison but didn't know which way to go.
Super professional work man, hope you can keep up the good work
Amazing vid. You've helped me make up my mind and go for the 990s
You stated the exact opinions I was forming myself! I bought both and am returning one pair. Primarily I will be making beats, music, and recording VoiceOver. While the 990 do feel more comfortable (the pads are actually different on the two pairs if you take them off and look... they're softer on the 990), the low/mid cut and the high boost is not conducive to mixing music like you said. I am going to keep the 770s and maybe even try putting the 880/990 pads on them if it doesn't affect the sound too much.
yeah any pros wouldnt want any colorization on their system
Best solution: buy both. I use the 990 for films or concerts/live music, for example, because its open design creates a great listening experience, and the 770 when I want to listen to a CD undisturbed. I can wear the DT990pro for hours without it bothering me. Because of the higher contact pressure, I have to take the DT770pro off now and then if I'm having a very long music session. A few minutes and then it's fine again. But my head circumference is >60cm. My first DT770pro lasted 10 years and it would have lasted even longer if I'd treated it more carefully. It's important to replace the ear pads regularly. Especially in the summer, when there are four fans running in my apartment, I can't binge watch series without the headphones. 😁 You sweat a lot then and the pads suffer over time. Also simply from wearing them for a long time. I replaced the pads on my 990 a few weeks ago and now it's like having a new model. Don't underestimate this! And if the price seems too high, the headphones will last for many years and are of exceptionally good quality in terms of workmanship and sound! I still remember the first time I watched a concert DVD and had the 770 on and suddenly heard people in the audience talking. Talking, not shouting!! And I had already seen this concert a dozen times and never noticed it. Once Beyerdynamic, always Beyerdynamic.
I have the 990s and i LOVE them!
About cables. Everyone says that fixed cable is downside. But I have faced couple removable cable connector failure with AudioTechnicas but I haven't still broken DT770 cable. So I guess that fixed cable is not downside. To be honest I find earcup padding to be most common failure point on these bit better headphones. I know that cables go with low-end but in this price point they seem to be pretty solid.
Merci beaucoup, je viens de passer 2h a chercher tout les comparatifs et tests possible avant de tomber sur cette vidéo! Top
Avec plaisir 👍
Shoutout to you for using the metrics for the global audience!
So I own some DT770's, I guess I will give a bit of criticism to balance things out too. I kinda consider them overpriced. Don't get me wrong, the build quality is fantastic. But there's a problem with the sound, and the cable. The sound is all over the place, they aren't tuned well. They aren't actually very bassy at all because the 200hz range is scooped out so hard, so it's only sub-bass that's left. And the number one complaint they get: the treble is so loud and kinda piercing. When you turn them to a comfortable volume, the mids (where the instruments and vocals mostly are) sound so quiet, because just the treble is at a proper volume. You CAN fix this with EQ, but good headphones shouldn't need EQ. Tldr, the tuning is all over the place, like crappy knock-off headphones usually are. Shure SRH440's are better tuned and cost $100 instead of $170.
The problem with the cable is it's not removable. The one it has is very good, but the cable is the first thing to break on a pair of headphones. The DT's have permanent cables that, if it breaks, your only option will be to attempt a replacement yourself. Meaning taking them apart, soldering in a new cable, and hoping the disassembly didn't ruin the driver (and it probably will).
So hear me out. DT770's are around $170. AKG K240's are about $70, and they're openbacks with a removable cable. I loaded up the Crinacle Auto-EQ profile for the K240's so they have a Harman Curve tuning (slight bass boost, slight treble boost). And guess what? The K240's blow the DT770's out of the water. Bassy but not too bassy, treble is clear but not piercing, mids are close and detailed, etc. Yeah, Auto-EQ is a headache to use (and vanilla K240's aren't very good), but $100 less for superior sound and longevity?
According to the frequency response graph, the tuning shouldn't be all over the place. In fact, they look quite linear until the 5k and 12k bumps. I suppose that's what you were referring to when mentioning the "piercing treble".
I was looking forward to get these headphones as a second reference for my mixes. Would you recommed other headphones (not AKG, bad rep nowadays due to quality issues) in this price range that could be better?
bought the dt 770 pro 250 ohm with a fiio k5 pro, so gooood. Today i picked up the dt 990 pro 250 ohms, and i will say both are nice. I will prob keep both and use them in diffrent scenarios :)
Which one's better for gaming and or listen to music and watching movies?
@@claineschamber i prefered openback so dt990, but i would recommend Sennheiser HD560s over them.
@@willberj thank you!
Just bought 770's online and they're for my Roland TD17KXV Drumkit. The module with the Roland recommends Headphones in the 50-150 Ohm range so I might have bitten off more than I can chew with the 770 250 Ohm version but if that's the case, I will get a small amp to boost the sound and quality. Great video!
Hey I have the 770pro 250omh and I use them with the soundblaster g7 dacamp to power them and it works great. Anything over 40 volume is too loud
Best comparison of these 2 cans on youtube ever!
Thank you. I really appreciate it!
I’m planning on buying a pair of new headphones, but I mix, record and master my music myself. Therefore i the most effective pair, which one should I choose?
I would say the DT770. You want to avoid bleed while recording, and their extra isolation really helps in this regard 👌
Thanks bro for detailed reviews 🙏
No problem Joseph! Glad I could help🤘
I have the 770s and wondered for a while if the 990s would have been a better choice for mixing and mastering due to the conceptions you mentioned, so this video was really useful, but I'm still interested in getting a pair of open-back headphones and would love to know which ones you would go for instead of the 990s in the same range.
If you like the general sound signature of your DT 770, there's a chance you won't be a Sennheiser fan, since they go for a quite different sound signature (at least from what I heard in headphones in that price range), so I would try to look into something from AKG or Audio Technica as starting points, since they have well regarded open-back models in that price range.
@@odysseyofcuriosity you're spot on with the sennhiser opinion, I never liked sennhiser, and trying them at my local store, i realise that the instrumental/backgrounds are often very muddy, and it seems to be lacking in clarity and sharpness. nonetheless the soundstage is very intimate, and the vocals are simply amazing.
I'd always recommend getting both yourself and personally testing them, headphones are incredibly subjective, from the comfort to the sound quality. If you want a pair of headphones for mixing you shouldn't go for either in my opinion, the HD 560s are far better for that, but they are boring to listen to.
Thank you for this. You confirmed that i made the right choice (for me) going with the 770's.
OK so... I produce, record, mix & master. I also love really heavy bass but I don't want to miss any of the mid or high end sounds either. Do you think I should get the 770 then?
I would say so - overall the DT770 will give you the best set of benefits 👌
jh then, or fitears for cheaper option
I have soundwork reference the latest ver, I mix and master myself, should I get 770 or 990 (and combine with soundwork sonar)?
If you don't do any tracking, then I would say DT990 for the open back👌
I already own a DT990 and they are amazing....Usually they say open backs leak sound so that it will have issues when u record sound....but I did not find any issues with that by reducing the loudness level of the playback....But what I find the major issue with DT990 is I cannot do sound design esp for making sure my Kick sound is good....so had to order the DT770.....But overall I am very happy with DT990 though.
So 770s are good for low end?
Really helpful video, now I know which one to get! Thank you!
Thank you, Valzo! Glad you found it useful!
Thanks for the comparison! I'm a music producer and my DT990 Pro's just broke (after 10+ years of loyal service!) so I wanted a new pair, but I was curios about the DT 770 because of my noisy neighbours...Haha! 😅 I'm still not sure wich ones to choose, but I guess I'll try the DT770 this time and if I don't like them I can just resell them and get the good old DT990 instead :)
The DT770 should do a good job against your noisy neighbors. Maybe try them this time. Good luck!
I have a DT 770 pro 250 Ohm in use since 2009, recently the voice coil on the right side went open, I ordered a new driver to replace it and they sound about the same, but there are some minute differences between new and old. I'm going to order a second driver so that both are the same. Also a good advice, replace your earpads regularly, as with time the foam degrades, which changes how they sound, less sub bass. I gently hand wash the pads a few times before replacing them, as the velour soaks up everything and becomes grubby after some time.
Thanks for the video. Frequency spikes/humps/dips can be smoothed out by acoustic modeling software like Sonarworks. The one thing I wish they'd have as an option is a straight (non-coiled) cable. - Coiled cables are a nightmare in a busy recording studio. They pull on your head and get tangled with everything.
80ohm version of the 990 don’t have coiled cables. Beyerdynamics have said themselves that the difference in quality is less than noticeable.
The 32 ohm versions have short cables.
This guy is so underated, are these headphones for gaming?
I've seen a lot of streamers that uses this (Ninja to begin with) and most of them are using the 990 because they want the open back to hear what is around them. Also because the highs are good for gaming (specially to FPS) Just make sure you get a good AMP to power them (they are 250 ohms and PC's ussually have 80 ohms of power) If is underpower you will loose a lot of volume and quality. But for gaming I preffer the 990, but if the room is too loud the close-back of the 770 will be a better option for you.
@@waltererojas6 thanks man, i just bought the 770 80 ohms!
@@waltererojas6 Rarely do i see good advice in yt comments. well done chap!
Good detailed review my guy
Thank you!
I’ve fallen asleep with my 770’s on all night and my ears don’t hurt in the morning, the only thing thats ever been weird with them to me, was the first day I got them, and that was the circular shape not completely sealing on my ears but that went away pretty quickly
I love your video. I've just ordered the TD990 Pro 250 ohm for casual listening using a tube amp with a headphone stage. Just a note: the coiled cable is 1.5m, and is 3m straight (when stretched).
Nice Ivan, glad you found the video helpful. Did they arrive? How do you like them?
Great video bro had always wanted to try beyers for djjng so going for the 770 as they're flatter...which I think is important for me...
Really informative video! Enjoyed watching and understanding throughout. I am thinking to get myself 770s, but confused whether I should go for 32 Ohms or 80 Ohms with an audio interface. My main purpose here is to mix the music.
Thank you, Amol! I would go with the 80 ohms version, mainly because I love the velour pads they come with :)
if you use 770s in mixing & mastering, then maybe use the 990s as reference. and vice versa. a pair of nice speakers would be great, if you really want good results. i think mixing & mastering using headphones are for those who have no treated rooms (just like me). though i always have to rest my ears every 30min or so, since the sound goes directly into them and could damage my hearing.
Great video! Thank you very much! I plan to use them for gaming and would prefer the 990 version for the wider soundstage. But... most of the time I play online and I also need a microphone. Could the sound being emitted through the open back be a problem for speaking through an external microphone? I want to be able to hear all the details (footsteps, etc.), but it's also important that other players can hear me clearly.
If your external microphone is a dynamic, no way. If you go with a LD condenser, depending on your positioning and how loud you push your headphones, maybe? But under normal circumstances (normal headphone level, usual mic position, good threshold setting or push-to-talk on your chat app), no, people won't hear your headphones through your mic. I use this exact setup to game and got no complaints. Hope this helps!
I know I’m very late but I’m stuck between both of these headphones. Also the hifiman he x4 and the tygr 300r I have no amp and don’t plan on getting one if you had to pick between these options for someone who plays Dota 2 and plays music 24/7 what would you pick or suggest for me?
These headphones are brilliant. They have been introduced in the mid of eighties and stayed nearly unchanged since then!
I remember that they were very expensive at that time, so its a pleasure to get them for an affordable price now.
I use and love my 770 since decades now. You can't get wrong with them!
I'm very happy with my 770 250 ohm. For some rason, my laptop can handle them directly into the sound interface which is great, but I also have a proper interface for my main PC.
Yes, the lows are not too strong, the highs are clear, but I use an eq for my PC and color a bit the lows. Just a little bit.
Picked the DT770 Pros. Theyre great! Needs a AMP though, very quiet on my pc. (80ohm)
Really great video, you answered all the questions I had and didn't know I would have!
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Andrew you are right. I have 770/32 and recently 990/250 w hip dac added. Harshness on hi frequency heard from 990. Once EQed. They are one step better for me on music. And yes, I am hi freq openness biased
The DT 990s 250ohm with Sonarworks SoundID reference is it! The two combined is what makes it for me. Actually the dt 770 with the sound id reference doesn’t sound good. I perfer it without the sound id reference.
Hello Andrew You mean the DT770 for mixing & mastering Bater even it's closed back because most Sound Enginering they say You mast use Headphones with closed back
Nobody talking about the 880 pros.
hi, love your overview but i’m just wondering if the 990s are suitable for pc use with no amp, as i can only see it being sold for 250 ohm
If you can't find another edition (32 ohms/80 ohms), then go for the 250 ohms. They will work even straight into a decent motherboard soundcard, even though they are meant for professional equipment. They won't get crazy crazy loud, but you probably shouldn't listen at such levels anyway. If you feel you need a better source, you can always upgrade your soundcard later down the line. Hope this helps!
@@odysseyofcuriosity would you know if id need to plug 80ohm 770s directly into my motherboard or if i could at the top of my computer?
I had a dt770 pro 80 in 2012 paired with fiio e10 dac, ordered another dt770 pro yesterday, is there any other best headphone like the dt770 ? I really like that clean sub bas extension like that..any recommendations?
This is such a good and informative video. It really helps me going on with my research. Thanks for the content! :)
Glad I could help, Koen!
Thank you so much man.
I always hear that for my mixing and general music production I should get 990s but I have a giant noisy pc next to me which made me confused about which one was actually better for me.
I think I will choose the 770s now that I know that they aren't actually much worse for music production and mixing :)
The benefits of a wider soundstage (due to open back headphones) don't weigh that much when there is a lot of noise in your environment. While producing, it's much more important to be able to clearly hear what you are working on, even if this means settling for a more confined presentation. If your PC is very noisy and you can't to anything about it, just go with the DT770. Good luck!
Which one would you recommend for gaming on pc and what ohm also would I need a amp or dac for either regarding the ohm
The DT990s are great for gaming, and in that case I would look for the 80 ohm edition. Motherboards have improved a lot when it comes to sound cards, so if you have a fairly recent gaming PC there's a high chance you won't "need" an external DAC/amp combo to be happy. I would get just the headphones first, try them out connected straight into the built-in sound card (make sure to disable all useless DSP effects/Headphone Mode/Windows sound enhancers/EQ's/Atmos/3D Audio nonsense) and see if there are any issues. Look for stuff such as white noise/hiss, muddy/boomy sound that's lacking detail, clipping distortion when you turn up the volume or a lack of overall volume (do the headphones go loud enough on max?). If you don't notice any of these issues, then there's no obvious reason forcing you to get an external DAC/amp now. Hope this helps!
i'm waiting for 770. I hope it's a good decision. Right now i have Asus Rog Delta Core. I know these are gaming headphones, and 770 are studio headphones. I just love to make house music, beats, dubstep music occasionally. In one word, I LOVE MUSIC. But to have all that stuff i need ( studio monitors and treatment acoustic and others) i need money and if i don't have right know, i think it was a good decision to buy these headphones :D
hey guys DT 770 PRO is better for mixing than DT 990 PRO yes?
The biggest downer for the 770 pro i got now for 3 years or more (I don't really know anymore) is the changing of the earpads themselves... Took me about half an hour do get it done...
People dont realize that if you plug your headphones into a decent receiver/dac+amp/interface and use an EQ to cut unpleasant frequencies, than really any decent pair of studio headphones will be good for any purpose (even gaming/content consumption)
Partly true, but most people don't have the equipment to measure frequency responses, which means you'll have to do it by ear. Which is not a great option. Also, headphones can be physically incapable of achieving certain frequencies. So yeah you can tell them through software what they have to do, but the hardware might not be able to pull it off
both choose！ use dt990pro in the bedroom ，use dt770 pro outside or in the the Library
subscribed and also shocked how you have 571 and not 571k.. Wtf. Amazing content
Thank you very much! I am glad you enjoyed this one and I hope you'll like the following videos, as well!
It can be seen from the thickness of the earmuffs that you prefer to listen to DTT990PRO
Subscribed! I also have a behringer umc 404 interface, was wondering if it would drive the 250 ohm headphones. Thanks for your opinion ☺️
Hey man! The UMC 404 HD works fine with 250 ohm headphones. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't have the best, cleanest (distortion free) headphone amp out there - if you really want loud volumes and totally distortion free audio, a dedicated amp costing probably about the same as the interface will be better. But if you don't push the volume further than 12 o'clock it will be just fine in my experience. Hope this helps!
hi, i have a 2 questions. which headphones would be better for playing videogames. dt 990 pro? or dt 770 pro. my second question would be what would be better ohm for gaming? 80 ohm or 250 ohm? thanks!
For gaming, choose the DT990. And if these are your first "good" headphones, and you don't have fancy audio gear to plug them into, go with the 80 ohms version - they offer better compatibility with built in sound cards and other regular devices. Anyway, great choice, you'll love them! Good luck 🤞
Great video! I got a used pair of 770s a couple of months ago. Now a used pair of 990s is for sale in my town (for 50€!) so I think I will have to pick them up as well.
Both pairs are the 250 Ω version, I'm using an Objective headphone amp.
How are the 990s?
I have the DT770s. And i love them. I still want an open back planar headset. But for now, going from the overhyped ATH M50x to the DT770s im stoked. I would not get both the DT990 and DT770. Now that i have one, Id rather get maybe the Sundara or something in that price range next. Or the HD600s.
Would you still recommend the DT770's? I am unsure if I should continue to weigh my options or just buy it already.
@@KeyBrute would 100% recommend them.
@@PaulBeetge Yeah man, I just went for the 250ohms. Looking for a dac/amp right now. Thanks.
Thanks for your comment. I own an ATH M50x and was at first looking at a open back headphone to get another perspective on my mixes, but to be honest, as great as this comparison video is, I'm still unsure that given I own the M50x I should go for the DT990 or DT770, would you mind to elaborate your feelings of switching from the M50x to the DT770? Are you still using both?
@@raymondrutjes788 still using both. Upgraded the earpads to much thicker earpads on the ath m50x and this resolved a lot of issues for me. Personally the stock earpads are rubbish. Getting thicker earpads that move your ear further away from the driver is a must. But I would get a set of dt770 Pro 250ohm headphones. The two are vastly different but awesome to use and compare. The dt770 Pro I use on my pc and the ath m50x I use on my laptop or my phone.
For audio mixing on a video editing software for a non professional audio mixer (just to be clear) but to have the better audio mix possible. Which one would you recommend ? (Directly plugged in my Mac 3.5mm jack )
I would personally pick the DT770 in your case. The closed back design with its better noise isolation will really help when doing audio editing for video, and the flatter frequency response should also serve you better. Sound stage won't weigh that much in your typical mix, so you won't loose much by not going with an open back design. Hope this helps. Good luck!
@@odysseyofcuriosity It helped. Thanks a lot !!
I'm kinda late to the party, but I'm surprised you didn't mention that the impedance rating of the headphones make all the difference in how easy/hard they are to drive. For example, the DT 770 Pro comes in an 80 ohm, which (unlike your 250 ohm model) is very easy to get a good volume on the vast majority of interfaces. It makes no sense to buy a 250 ohm headphone when you own consumer-level electronics or a budget audio interface (like your Behringer unit). Some headphone makers are even making 32 ohm versions of their headphones, so that they can be powered by mobile devices like phones, iPads, etc. Bottom line, the lower the impedance, the less power needed to drive the headphones. 250 ohm headphones are a holdover from pro studios of DECADES ago where everything in the studio required higher voltage, so headphones of the time were designed so they wouldn't get overloaded when plugged in to, say, the console/mixer. Also, dedicated headphone amps were a mainstay of pro studios, but are simply not needed anymore for bedroom producers who aren't doing live tracking with multiple musicians needing different monitor mixes. Of course an headphone amp will solve your level problem with high impedance headphones, but why buy high impedance phones in the first place if your audio interface can't drive them?