The reason why the scene fails in Rebirth is because in the og it was the main focus of what was happening. Aerith died nothing else mattered at that moment. With Rebirth because its supposed to be the finale of the game they had to turn into a big bombastic multiphased final boss. There is so much crazy stuff happening that its difficult to focus on her death. They basically turned one of the most saddest moments in the story into an action sequence.
@tiensimon1263 It doesn't take away from the moment because it's just one boss. Not to mention, her theme is playing throughout the whole thing. Letting you know that this is still about her. Just because remake does something similar doesn't mean it's the same thing.
@SpaceBird24 No, Cloud did save Aerith. We just happen to keep on following the timeline in which he failed to save her because it's the main timeline, but since he travelled through another timeline, he can now see those other timelines, as it is shown when he looks at the rift in the sky that only appears in the other timelines. With that knowledge, he can't fully think of Aerith as dead, but more like she's just out of reach for now; and just like Zack, he probably think he will find a way to reunite the timelines ans save her, hence him not mourning her like the other characters. "Just as worlds unite, so too do they part. But who's to say they can't unite again? "
@@surreal_dreams sephiroth always say to Cloud “Those who look with clouded eyes see nothing but shadows”. Sephiroth knows Cloud is trippin because of him. Cloud don’t even know who he is anymore.
It's like they couldn't decide whether to fully commit to killing Aerith or change her fate, so they resorted to a confusing middle ground that satisfies neither decision.
No, Seph said he needed the key (from the Main world) to get the Black Materia (from the World Between Worlds.) Tifa had static and saw both worlds. One, Aerith is covered in blood. Two, Cloud blocked Sephiroth and Aerith isn't harmed. Now, here's how you know which is which. Seph needed to force Cloud and company into the World Between Worlds. This happened right when Tifa saw static. The WBW Temple is not on the Northern continent, only in the Main. The WBW is the OG game. That is why Aerith seems dead. Cloud understands it's an illusion. Cissnei doesn't feel Zack is dead either.
In OG it's so "less" that the whole party goes snowboarding right after she dies. They barely even mourn her death bro 😂 OG fans think their 1997 game is perfect, such delusions.
@@Goujiki obviously you miss the point. In this game the ending is so messed up its like KH again. The original is simple, but to the point. She dies, they mourn her for the rest of the game. Theres no multi dimension 😆
My initial thought at the end was cloud is seeing 2 realities at the same time and is struggling to realise it, one where she died one where she lived, unsure as to why hes seeing the crack in the sky when the rest arnt, maybe hes going to have a near death experience sorta like at midel to reset him
Aerith pulls him into Zack's world, goes on a date and then shoves him back through a portal to the main timeline to save him. Since he's passed through multiple timelines, he can see the tear in the sky.
Her "death" had less of an impact because of the phasing in and out of the blood on the sword and Aerith's body. In the original you knew she died. In this one because the blood/no blood shows 2 realities you know she died, but also she did not. Then there's like an 8 stage Sephiroth boss fight and you still see Aerith interacting with and even fighting alongside Cloud for the last boss fight. Then she's in the 18 minutes of ending scenes and cinematic. She's not dead to the player or Cloud only the other party members. Full on death has way more of an impact.
The rest of the party believe it is a full on death, and the impact is still there for them and in the final cutscene. We get the sadness of the OG and excitement for the new story, best of both worlds. Great ending
@@preslim84 The og moment was easy to understand and simple yet powerful. This new one just follows the modern day misguided thinking of more,more,more is always better. Straight garbage.
@@TigraSpartan Sephiroth LITERALLY shows AND TELLS Cloud that there's multiple worlds and timelines. And he also states that they're merging (which is why you're able to fight alongside Zack). How are you gonna be condescending to someone when the game itself says you're wrong lol
Finally someone gets it. Aerith's death was profound and Cloud's speech afterwards was what made it iconic. Them deciding to cut that out was injustice in my opinion When cloud said "what about our pain?!" That hit in the feels
Indeed. Cloud’s speech is the single most important, impactful, thematically necessary moment in the entire game/series, now relegated so some silent quick edits. It’s a travesty, honesty.
You can see snippets of that iconic speech through lip reading, however because of all the mako static going on it is a blink and you miss it sort of thing.
It was tragedy because was unexpected while here was the most anticipated. Back in 1997 many tried to hack the PS1 to bring back Aerith to life....hehehe
stop insulting kingdom hearts, Final Fantasy and Kingdome Heart are not similar. The idea of kingdome hearts is Nomura's alone and will remain so. In Final Fantasy he didn't write and make the story. So if you have to criticize, do it in the right way. Get the right information before writing nonsense about a game
this is so unfortunate. they added cool new bosses and shinra monstrosities, the soundtrack is really great and the locations have been expanded upon in meaningful ways also the battle system and the synergy attacks are really great if the story focused more on one timeline then it would've felt more grounded. sephiroth on the midgar expressway could've been a new form of jenova
Well, have to disagree with the soundtrack. The original was a masterpiece, and those songs are faithfully remade, but EDM while walking through mountains? Terrible rap when fighting in the arena? I’m one of the biggest fans of the music of FF7 and the new songs seem out of place and do not cut it.
Aerith's spirit intersecting to help Cloud would have been better served for the final boss fight of the 3rd and final game against Sephiroth, here it just muddles her death
I'm holding out the theory that Cloud's mind is in denial mode, which is why he keeps thinking Aerith is there. In his mind, he deflected Sephiroth's blow, and Aerith has to stay behind to fulfill her duties to the planet (which explains why she can't join the party). Part 3 will verify everything...we hope...
@SpaceBird24bruh red 13 literally feels her spirit is there in the ending so she is there just in spirit but cloud can see her like how he sees sephiroth 😭😭 edit: actually im not sure the story is confusing rn can you try and explain it to me in a simple manner
Cloud create another world/timeline when save Aerith and he's 'stuck' in between then. The same effect happens when Zack chooses save Cloud or go to Sector 6. Cloud can see things that happen in both worlds, kinda at the same time, probably because of Jenova cells. Thats why he can see the fracture in the sky and others dont, the fracture is in the timeline that he saves Aerith. Next game probably will began the same this one: we seeing what happened in the other reality.
But if we conclude that it's only Cloud imagination then why when he block Sephiroth blow there is white-rainbow light which meant to open new timeline.
@@lebazolliit doesn’t matter that Cloud saved Aerith and created a new time line she is destined to die by sephiroth no matter what. Just like Zack no matter what decision he made to see Hojo or see Biggs he still ran into the same shinra troops who killed him in the OG. Same with Aerith , Sephiroth still killed her in a different timeline when she was at the church with cloud.
@Alassandros they are there to KEEP US from changing anything. They literally will not let us change anything, that is their whole point. Arbiters of fate, to keep our crew on the pathwe arr meant to be on. They are there to stip us from changing the story events.
it was a special scene for a reason. it was indeed very simple. a loving character simply dies. someone whom you perhaps did not expect to happen. it was truly surreal. perhaps even real.
Can;t disagree with this at all. For the most part Rebirth was a great game. In its most important moment though it failed, miserably. Mess is exactly what this scene was.
They went that route so that they can have everybody together. Aerith and Zack will return at some point in part 3, bringing the whole gang together for the final battle, it’s pretty clear what they are setting up to do
This whole alternative timeline stuff should be a separate stand alone game. İdk who is alive or death anymore. They killed the emotional parts in the game.
Tifa had static and saw both worlds. One, Aerith is covered in blood. Two, Cloud blocked Sephiroth and Aerith isn't harmed. Now, here's how you know which is which. Seph needed to force Cloud and company into the World Between Worlds with the key to get the black materia. This happened right when Tifa saw static. The WBW Temple is not on the Northern continent, only in the Main. The WBW is the OG game. That is why Aerith seems dead. Cloud understands it's an illusion. Cissnei doesn't feel Zack is dead either.
The entire remake/rebirth storyline is confusing and irritating. They added so much unnecessary stuff. And they ruined Sephiroth's mystery and terror by showing him every 5 mins. So frustrating
This is really stepping into a fanfic level of storytelling. "It's about the conversation beyond the game, not the characters we fell in love with" is pretty much the perfect way to put it.
It's literally their business strategy. Create some confusing nonsense to drive speculation and interest in the next sequel. Whether it actually makes the game better or makes sense is secondary.
It's even more disappointing because the character writing and dialogue are infinitely better than the original's ever was, and if they just focused on expanding upon those aspects while keeping the original story intact, we'd have a perfect remake.
They were never going to recapture the genuine shock that 1997 players experienced. What they failed was to do the scene justice. They killed her anyway, but in a distracting mess of empty fake-outs.
I’m fine with the whole “Cloud believes she’s alive due to his trauma/fragmented memory”. twist and think it could’ve been interesting but it’s executed so poorly. It was hard to feel any raw or visceral emotions during Aeriths death when they throw a billion concepts/ideas at you regarding the multiverse + time travel to generate speculation and it’s made worse by the rushed pacing and weird camera cuts. It had me trying to piece things together rather than actually being in the moment and feeling sad.
That's the difference from the original, in this one cloud seeing Aerith is not part of any ptsd or trauma, is because Aerith became one with the lifestream as so is Sephiroth right now. She dies in the material world, but she is alive. OG cloud didn't know, remake Cloud knows. Or maybe it is just trauma and they are going to play with him accepting it, but the ending of advent children and everything else. We will find out in part 3, we have a few years to speculate lol
Except she doesn't die in the Main world. Tifa had static and saw both worlds. One, Aerith is covered in blood. Two, Cloud blocked Sephiroth and Aerith isn't harmed. Now, here's how you know which is which. Seph needed to force Cloud and company into the World Between Worlds with the key to get the black materia. This happened right when Tifa saw static. The WBW Temple is not on the Northern continent, only in the Main. The WBW is the OG game. That is why Aerith seems dead. Cloud understands it's an illusion. Cissnei doesn't feel Zack is dead either.
This would be like remaking Sixth Sense and when you get to the twist where Bruce Willis' character learns he's been dead the entire time the Grim Reaper shows up and they have a John Wick style shootout action sequence immediately after. It's tonedeaf and horrible.
yeah agree.. aerith know cloud cannot accept the reality. it will doesn't make sense if after his big lost, cloud still continue to fight bravely. the only reason why aerith still appear in cloud minds, is only to cheer him in his journey.
But then what about the rainbow prism that appears after sephs sword is deflected? It was heavily implied when this appears another reality is created.
THANK YOU! Square took away the impact of that moment completely. That the Whispers intercept to change her fate back to the original, switching between the original death in flashes that would completely confuse newcomers, and just pisses off those who played the original. They really should have just done a true remake, instead of this multiverse, convoluted, nonsense.
Combat (which is inferior to 16s) is carrying the game for me so far. I’m an OG fanboy and so far the game feels like a hollow mess. The fort condor segments made me die inside.
Yeah but them just making an honest remake of the game would be too easy, and everything has to have the multiverse buzzword in it somewhere Its not the same company that made great games anymore :(
just like the first game in the remake, the game as a whole is great, but all the weakest parts of the story the biggest changes from the original story (those damn ghost things that no one wanted for instance) . very sad =(
@@charlestonho6733 if these games were made as remakes and kept all of the old story beats without all of this multiverse and "sequel" nonsense it would be so much better
That isn't Sephiroth. The real one is a mysterious badass who says little and comes across as a genuine danger. When he transforms into a twisted angelic being at the end of the game, it feels threatening. This limp-wristed imposter with his flimsy black bird's wing poses no threat to anybody and absolutely will _not_ shut up.
@@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers All that happens in part 1, and Meteor is done also in Part 1. Sephirot is defeated to free Holy and fight it back but fails and Aerith intevenes from the Lifestream to push out Meteor at the end of the OG. Here that's no more.
The ending has this weird middle ground like she's both alive and dead and that takes away from the happiness of saving her or the sadness of losing her. It's bad story telling as far as I'm concerned. It's hard for me to take those "10/10" ratings seriously with that ending.
They're rating the totality of the game, not simply the ending cutscene. You can't give a game with 80 hours of excellent gameplay and 1 hour of a confusing cutscene, a 6/10 because of it. Come on now. Nearly all of those reviews mentioned this about the ending. And presumably, lowered the score by fractions of a point accordingly. It has mostly reviews in the low 9's. 90-98's. Not 100's.
@@Jimmymatthewb agree 100%. in total, the game is absolutely fantastic. also, who says she really isnt dead and alive at the same time? maybe 2 timelines merged, who knows. dont take this video literally, its just a fantheory as well.
@@Jimmymatthewb You absolutely should have your rating impacted by the most important parts, and the ending is often the most important part of any story.
Didn’t Aerith reappear throughout certain places in the original game as a blink and you miss it ghost if you revisit certain areas in the game? You know like the church you try to approach her but she disappears if you did. Maybe they were trying to reflect that.
What a mess they made with the new story elements... They should have more respect for the OG. All the elements they changed to the story is just a crapy mess.
My biggest issue is how they completely stepped on the other members of the team grieving her loss. One of the most incredible accomplishments of the Remake series is how they have brought these characters to life in a way many fans feared may never happen. The party became like a family during Rebirth, they would’ve been absolutely devastated. They handled that so poorly and stepped on it with multiverse nonsense
@@tiensimon1263 yeah but that really could have multiple reasons. its just an assumption. zack is still alive in another world and he asked cloud to save aerith.. who knows what will really happen?
No, they never explain anything, assuming everyone has played the original game or read all explanations online. Maybe they let some clues during the game but it's lost in hours and hours of meaningless quests. The game should have been 30 hours short. Shocking writing,
@@obviusthemaxim2509he is one of the leading Producers you think he doesn't have anything to say or what. Also FF7 rebirth has Kingdom Hearts written all over and that is Nomuras way of Story telling.
@doriansz3130 look at the interviews. Nomuras been stated as wanting to be faithful and not change the story at all but people like Nojima and Kitase kept pushing for changes. Development is a collaborative effort so don't pin the blame on one sole person
Marlene, say Doomguy into the mirror three times. Okay, but why? Because the multiverse will annoy him so much that it REFORMS itself. And everyone will be saved. Does that Crucible in the Black Materia chamber belong to Doomguy? ... Does it? When did he...?
Someone called it realms. I'm gonna go with calling it realms that multi universe. Eases the blow a little and hopefully people use it to take the edge off
This happens when you make a game based solely on fan service rather than keeping the original content that delivers rich and impactful moments that make the game unique.
The biggest reason that the original hit that sad emotional note was because it was a straightforward scene, she was murdered in front of you And the gang, everyone's mad at sephiroth, he floats away gloating. Jenova shows up out of nowhere, you beat it up and THEN The gang mourns over aerith. It was very easy to interpret because it was straightforward.
@@guyc1479 SOME MISTAKES ? Let me break it down and not from my perspective since I’ve play the OG and a little of crisis core. As a new player in order to understand the story you need to play Final Fantasy VII Final Fantasy VII crisis core Final Fantasy VII (Advent children) If not you will be pretty confused on what’s happening and who these random characters are, and on top of that there hasn’t been one emotional moment that hit as hard as they original, and the meta commentary they had for this game is like spitting in your face. The OG fans are sad because a game with the 2nd or 3rd best story in the entire franchise as butchered for a meta commentary, fan service, and decent new character building which ultimately doesn’t amount to much. Especially, Sephiroth he literally got turned into one of the most menacing characters in all of gaming to a random time wizard character that shows up because of fan service.
@@gamerd8709 No he did not. The main scenario writer is still Kazushige Nojima. He wrote the scenario for almost every PlayStation Era Final Fantasy. If I'm informed correct, Nomura hadn't much involvement with Rebirth at atll besides character designs. Do not spread half knowledge. It's bad enough people still think in 2024 that Tetsuya Nomura is the mastermind behind every Final Fantasy game.
@@TheAufziehvogel Maybe his crackpot ending ideas would’ve been better executed if he actually did write it, since the writers clearly aren’t on his crack.
hundred percent.. all they had to do was kill her.. but they Kingdom Hearts the hell out of it... she wont just die and will always linger as a ghost now.. her ending was such a convoluted let down..
Why wouldn't they save the Zack team up and aerith team up for the finale? Where both would of been much more impactful to cloud knowing the truth. Also how come we got sephiroth in his final form even though he is sitting in a crater lol
The moment lost all its emotional weight since we know perfectly well that rhe moment Cloud deflected Sephiroths sword a new timeline was created were Aerith survived. So at the very least we know of Zacks multiple timelines where she is in a Coma and the timeline where she survived the city of the ancients. It's pretty obvious that Cloud having ptsd and being delusional might be right but doesn't matter at all since somehow Aerith in all the timelines knows Cloud. This is not like Gamora which never meet Peter Quill in the End Game.
You made me think of something. Since Aerith is saved by Cloud in that tineline and Cloud can see other timelines, him seeing Aerith as a spirit is just her in another timeline.
They could have re-made the exact same death and aftermath scenes as in the OG and it would have still been even more heart wrenching than in 1997 after having spent so much time with this wonderfully written and acted character.
This is why Nomura shouldn't be allowed to touch multipart series. That or my other theory which is that TWEWY was a fluke and he's just incompetent when it comes to delivering a narrative's finale.
Though Nomura is the creative director, he originally wanted a more faithful remake (still split between multiple games) with some expansions. However, Nojima and Kitase who also worked on the original team convinced him (also one of them is the producer who has significantly more power in that role Japan than the role in its Western counterparts) to go this route. Nomura said he eventually relented since both Nojima and Kitase refused to work on the project otherwise and Square demanded the original crew work on the Remake project.
Original did it better, because it wasnt so confusing like in this game and you really dont feel loss if Cloud can see her and Nanaki feel her presence in Rebirth.
Zack's appearance and abrupt exit was as bad as Aerith's death. With her, we at least knew who she was and why she was there. With Zack, they simply shoved him into the story and gave him an alternate timeline. Those of us who had played Crisis Core and the og FFVII at least knew a little what was going on. It must have been hell of confusing for some new players who asked themselves who this guy was and why he kept hijacking the story at random intervals with no explanation.
To take something that was so well written and change it into something so poorly written. It’s hack writing on the level of the last Jedi or ant man quantumania
The most important part of the story was a disappointment. We've already seen this on the OG. What's the point of this if they speak about alternate timelines? The Devs played around with the idea of saving Aerith, even an in alternate timeline where she doesn't die... and then it's fine for her to die, as a necessary 'sacrifice' to stop the destruction represented by Sephirot. After failing to protect the the person he loves, Cloud is happy being haunted by the spirit/ghost of Aerith... so wait another 5 years for a final episode which we already know the story, "no surprises there", just like Tifa would say. Yeah, after so many years, they STILL haven't forgotten anything and haven't learned anything.
The timeline splits, as indicated by the rainbow prism that appears when he deflects Sephiroth's attack. So there are two realities in play -- one where she lives, one where she dies.
Finished the game last night. Get all the points in the video and have mixed feelings. But from given how messed up Cloud becomes during the game, it makes a lot of sense from the perspective that Cloud is a unstable narrator and his character development.
Thank you for capturing it so well. I completely agree. I played rebirth and loved most of it but when I played the end I felt so disappointed. It completely lacks the emotional impact it needed (like the og). The script of a broken cloud yelling at Sephiroth about Aerith being dead… the sad music playing through the Jenova fight, and the time spent burying her… without all of that the ending just feels so empty. And me personally, I don’t mind the idea of having cloud seeing the two different realities where when she lived and when she died. Maybe there’s a way they could’ve done it where they still show that briefly just enough so that they get the point across that there is the multi worlds and maybe in one of them he did actually save her. But then snap back to reality, it wasn’t this one. And then you do all those things that bring about the emotional impact. I don’t know. I’m sure there was a better way to do it. It just stinks because once again most of the game was fantastic! But then they fumble the end part of the game and that disappointment is what I’m left with.
I'm calling it now, FF7 is going down the Loki(show) path. The game is going to end on ONE timeline(similar to the Sacred Timeline in Loki) where the Planet/Life Stream creates a Timeline where Gast/Hojo/Shinra NEVER discover Jenova. If Gast/Hojo never discover Jenova, guess who never gets created? Sephiroth. And nothing happens in FF7-verse as we know it. And thats how you beat Sephiroth; prevent his creation from ever happening. And the 'Tear Jerker' ending? Will be a montage of the characters lives with no Jenova/Sephiroth influence.
Rather different experience. Keep in mind that Aerith isn't exactly a human but an ancient - secondly I loved how it reminded those who actually have grieved the loss of some one that she like their loved ones also can be invisible and actually there present with you, you just can't see her - but that doesn't mean she isn't there. It was a super comforting scene that was actually my favorite part of the production. There's an old saying that it's not death but a departure, that ones are still alive somewhere just not visibly with you.
Makes a mess of a lot of things. Those of us who played the original have come to accept it's essentially just a hackjob of FF15 assets. Something not many can admit.
No, they told us it was a remake, we knew it was going to be different. I'm not sure why people are still surprised they changed things. No one is talking about the whole original tifa plot line. But people are mad because aerith technically didn't die? These people don't even care about the character 😂
@@tiensimon1263Buddy, a remake is simply remaking an original as faithful as possible with some added changes that doesn't impact the overall themes and plots. Look at the RE remakes, Dead Space and Persona remakes. Square knew full well the fans didn't want this scam of selling one game for the price of 3 while butchering the story to fanfiction levels So stop, this isn't re-imagingining, stop the dishonest semantics mindgames
@Thiago_Alves_Souza that's your knowledge of a remake, a remake can be made from the ground up and can be a retelling it's not a remaster. It's not for the fans to dicste what they want. It's for square to tell a story they know will work well. It's not your childhood anymore.
The reason why the scene fails in Rebirth is because in the og it was the main focus of what was happening. Aerith died nothing else mattered at that moment. With Rebirth because its supposed to be the finale of the game they had to turn into a big bombastic multiphased final boss. There is so much crazy stuff happening that its difficult to focus on her death. They basically turned one of the most saddest moments in the story into an action sequence.
Indeed. It's like installing poker tables and slot machines in a church. DURING a funeral service.
In the OG she dies and you fight a boss straight afterwards, it's the same thing.
@tiensimon1263 It doesn't take away from the moment because it's just one boss. Not to mention, her theme is playing throughout the whole thing. Letting you know that this is still about her. Just because remake does something similar doesn't mean it's the same thing.
@SpaceBird24 No, Cloud did save Aerith. We just happen to keep on following the timeline in which he failed to save her because it's the main timeline, but since he travelled through another timeline, he can now see those other timelines, as it is shown when he looks at the rift in the sky that only appears in the other timelines. With that knowledge, he can't fully think of Aerith as dead, but more like she's just out of reach for now; and just like Zack, he probably think he will find a way to reunite the timelines ans save her, hence him not mourning her like the other characters.
"Just as worlds unite, so too do they part. But who's to say they can't unite again? "
@@surreal_dreams sephiroth always say to Cloud “Those who look with clouded eyes see nothing but shadows”. Sephiroth knows Cloud is trippin because of him. Cloud don’t even know who he is anymore.
They literally did Jessie’s death in Remake better.
They did Sonon’s death even better, and we don’t even know who he is!
Not literally, but also they screwed up Biggs at the same time
It's like they couldn't decide whether to fully commit to killing Aerith or change her fate, so they resorted to a confusing middle ground that satisfies neither decision.
Yeah, honestly they should have just killed her or changed it to someone else. This was the much worse decision.
No, Seph said he needed the key (from the Main world) to get the Black Materia (from the World Between Worlds.)
Tifa had static and saw both worlds. One, Aerith is covered in blood. Two, Cloud blocked Sephiroth and Aerith isn't harmed. Now, here's how you know which is which. Seph needed to force Cloud and company into the World Between Worlds. This happened right when Tifa saw static. The WBW Temple is not on the Northern continent, only in the Main. The WBW is the OG game.
That is why Aerith seems dead. Cloud understands it's an illusion. Cissnei doesn't feel Zack is dead either.
@@Drw-id-Kirin Wow, that's needlessly complicated.
@@Drw-id-Kirin Where is the WBW in the OG game? Isn't that a retcon?
@@lpstweetytv5242 the OG is the WBW.
The original is proof that in some aspects "less is more"
yeah, Square Enix is bad at that. Been bad at it for over a decade.
Exactly 100%
In OG it's so "less" that the whole party goes snowboarding right after she dies. They barely even mourn her death bro 😂 OG fans think their 1997 game is perfect, such delusions.
@@Goujiki did you even play the original?
@@Goujiki obviously you miss the point. In this game the ending is so messed up its like KH again.
The original is simple, but to the point. She dies, they mourn her for the rest of the game. Theres no multi dimension 😆
This is bad but honestly the most unbelievable scene in this game is when the party gets knocked out by the generic thugs in corel prison.
Literally couldve ambushed them with sleep materia.. poor writing
When plot armor failed to protect the main crew 😅
FACTS, that scene annoyed me so much and made no sense.
How dare they not make MY characters infallible superheroes! 🤬🤬
@@nathanizabeast yes because it makes sense that they beat fate itself but get KOd by lowly gangsters
Sephiroth: "Why won't you die?"
Aerith: "Nano-timelines, son."
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Lmfao
Lmfao man this had me gigling like a maniac.
Fkn hell 😂😂
My initial thought at the end was cloud is seeing 2 realities at the same time and is struggling to realise it, one where she died one where she lived, unsure as to why hes seeing the crack in the sky when the rest arnt, maybe hes going to have a near death experience sorta like at midel to reset him
There are multiple realities going on.
Yeah, the game is clearly tells you and even zack does. When sephiroth merges the world she's going to come back.
Because he's connected to sephiroth he can see the branch
Aerith pulls him into Zack's world, goes on a date and then shoves him back through a portal to the main timeline to save him.
Since he's passed through multiple timelines, he can see the tear in the sky.
@@DarthPingu07 he also went into a portal before he met with Aerith same as in remake
Her "death" had less of an impact because of the phasing in and out of the blood on the sword and Aerith's body. In the original you knew she died. In this one because the blood/no blood shows 2 realities you know she died, but also she did not. Then there's like an 8 stage Sephiroth boss fight and you still see Aerith interacting with and even fighting alongside Cloud for the last boss fight.
Then she's in the 18 minutes of ending scenes and cinematic. She's not dead to the player or Cloud only the other party members.
Full on death has way more of an impact.
The rest of the party believe it is a full on death, and the impact is still there for them and in the final cutscene. We get the sadness of the OG and excitement for the new story, best of both worlds. Great ending
Imo it pretty much says no matter what cloud does aerith dies sadly.
@@preslim84 The og moment was easy to understand and simple yet powerful. This new one just follows the modern day misguided thinking of more,more,more is always better. Straight garbage.
@@preslim84Stories should have an emotional impact on *the audience* though.
there was... watch peoples reaction to it@@grungedimi
They really did handle Aerith's death horribly. The whispers, Zack being alive, and this whole multiverse stuff was all just so unnecessary.
It's not a multiverse, lmao, lil guy missed the whole point 😂😂
@@TigraSpartanyes it Is.. You are the one who missed the whole point...
@@sliferskydragon9798lmfao he’s so confidently and condescendingly wrong
@@TigraSpartanIt absolutely is. We see multiple timelines near the end.
@@TigraSpartan Sephiroth LITERALLY shows AND TELLS Cloud that there's multiple worlds and timelines. And he also states that they're merging (which is why you're able to fight alongside Zack). How are you gonna be condescending to someone when the game itself says you're wrong lol
They even cut out the lake scene. Everything is so wrong.
It’s not a remake
@@Tryhardblackguyit's not an improvement, either.
In all seriousness, they're not going to leave that out.
Agreed. They could have made it just as meaningful as ffx tides and Yuna kiss scene and put all the feels and gravity of the situation in it
They are saving that scene for when clouds mind gets fixed clearly.
Didn't think I'd fully agree with IGN about FF7 but here we are.
Im amazed this video exists
Lol, me too
I'm still amazed that OG FF7 fans think their game is perfect. Bros still living in 1997, sad.
@Goujiki no one said or even implied that💀
@@Goujiki Keep coping ; FF7OG is better than this shitfest LMFAO
The ambiguity of this scene in Rebirth completely ruined it.
Finally someone gets it. Aerith's death was profound and Cloud's speech afterwards was what made it iconic. Them deciding to cut that out was injustice in my opinion
When cloud said "what about our pain?!" That hit in the feels
Best Cloud dialogue in the original game. All we wanted was to hear that moment fully voice-acted.
Indeed. Cloud’s speech is the single most important, impactful, thematically necessary moment in the entire game/series, now relegated so some silent quick edits. It’s a travesty, honesty.
SHUT UP! Aerith will no longer laugh, no longer cry...or get angry. Then he stands up and shakes in rage. So much better then this garbo.
@chadsmith7519 EXACLY!! This speech right here evoked such emotion to us as the player. Especially since the speech came from cloud.
You can see snippets of that iconic speech through lip reading, however because of all the mako static going on it is a blink and you miss it sort of thing.
you know it's bad when, after half an hour, you still feel... nothing.
Tbh it was predicted by the game hours before so u always knew
Also if you already played the og game you know that her death is coming
@@crabroll1681Or at least understood it was always a possibility.
there's no emotion only confusion😂
Nah you suppose to feel something for Tifa and Cloud, Clouds crazy arc is beginning
Aerith’s death from a tragedy fans weeped over since 1997, to a confusing twist like Kingdom Hearts lore…
It was tragedy because was unexpected while here was the most anticipated. Back in 1997 many tried to hack the PS1 to bring back Aerith to life....hehehe
hate kingdom hearts lore
Wow it’s almost like the creators of kingdom hearts and ff7 are the same people!!
stop insulting kingdom hearts, Final Fantasy and Kingdome Heart are not similar. The idea of kingdome hearts is Nomura's alone and will remain so. In Final Fantasy he didn't write and make the story. So if you have to criticize, do it in the right way. Get the right information before writing nonsense about a game
@@davidegariboldi2966 he's talking about how it's a hot mess.
this is so unfortunate. they added cool new bosses and shinra monstrosities, the soundtrack is really great and the locations have been expanded upon in meaningful ways
also the battle system and the synergy attacks are really great
if the story focused more on one timeline then it would've felt more grounded. sephiroth on the midgar expressway could've been a new form of jenova
Well, have to disagree with the soundtrack. The original was a masterpiece, and those songs are faithfully remade, but EDM while walking through mountains? Terrible rap when fighting in the arena?
I’m one of the biggest fans of the music of FF7 and the new songs seem out of place and do not cut it.
@@musashi.miyamoyothe soundtrack is phenomenal you dunce.
@@musashi.miyamoyo Soundtrack is better than the last game
Aerith's spirit intersecting to help Cloud would have been better served for the final boss fight of the 3rd and final game against Sephiroth, here it just muddles her death
@@mohamedaboelenin4209 100
See you in 4 years to play Final Fantasy 7 Revengeance in Playstation 6
Lets goooo, seya in 4 years time woohooo
You mean ff7 rehab?😂😂😂
My Guess it's FF7 Journey's End
@@shadowparkzgaming my guess is ff7:reunion or if they really want to mess with us ff7:resurrection
Will it cover the last two discs of the original
I'm holding out the theory that Cloud's mind is in denial mode, which is why he keeps thinking Aerith is there. In his mind, he deflected Sephiroth's blow, and Aerith has to stay behind to fulfill her duties to the planet (which explains why she can't join the party). Part 3 will verify everything...we hope...
@SpaceBird24bruh red 13 literally feels her spirit is there in the ending so she is there just in spirit but cloud can see her like how he sees sephiroth 😭😭 edit: actually im not sure the story is confusing rn can you try and explain it to me in a simple manner
Cloud create another world/timeline when save Aerith and he's 'stuck' in between then. The same effect happens when Zack chooses save Cloud or go to Sector 6.
Cloud can see things that happen in both worlds, kinda at the same time, probably because of Jenova cells. Thats why he can see the fracture in the sky and others dont, the fracture is in the timeline that he saves Aerith.
Next game probably will began the same this one: we seeing what happened in the other reality.
But if we conclude that it's only Cloud imagination then why when he block Sephiroth blow there is white-rainbow light which meant to open new timeline.
There is also the aerith thay gave cloud her white materia, and he leaves just before sephiroth enters the church
@@lebazolliit doesn’t matter that Cloud saved Aerith and created a new time line she is destined to die by sephiroth no matter what. Just like Zack no matter what decision he made to see Hojo or see Biggs he still ran into the same shinra troops who killed him in the OG. Same with Aerith , Sephiroth still killed her in a different timeline when she was at the church with cloud.
I'm so tired of multiverses
Yeap and the fact that multiverses of FFVII exist also means that Cloud and Sephiroth in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate may even be canon now.
Same but also, the Whisper things are so pointless and annoying. Why are they even there if we can't actually change anything?
@@Alassandros my thoughts exactly
Maaaan me too
@Alassandros they are there to KEEP US from changing anything. They literally will not let us change anything, that is their whole point. Arbiters of fate, to keep our crew on the pathwe arr meant to be on. They are there to stip us from changing the story events.
it was a special scene for a reason. it was indeed very simple. a loving character simply dies. someone whom you perhaps did not expect to happen. it was truly surreal. perhaps even real.
Perfectly said. Thank you.
Thanks Kojima
@@JackRong-qg3cl Did you rike it?
Can;t disagree with this at all. For the most part Rebirth was a great game. In its most important moment though it failed, miserably. Mess is exactly what this scene was.
I'll pass judgement when part 3 is finished. Hopefully the devs would explain why they went on that route.
*when part 3 is finished and around 200$ has been spent.
They went that route so that they can have everybody together. Aerith and Zack will return at some point in part 3, bringing the whole gang together for the final battle, it’s pretty clear what they are setting up to do
lol hopeless consumer
@@Tw0tsonAren’t you edgy, kid.
@@Tw0tsonjust say you are broke lil boy
This whole alternative timeline stuff should be a separate stand alone game. İdk who is alive or death anymore. They killed the emotional parts in the game.
... it is a standalone game though.
@@fiprosha3 games bud
Tifa had static and saw both worlds. One, Aerith is covered in blood. Two, Cloud blocked Sephiroth and Aerith isn't harmed. Now, here's how you know which is which. Seph needed to force Cloud and company into the World Between Worlds with the key to get the black materia. This happened right when Tifa saw static. The WBW Temple is not on the Northern continent, only in the Main. The WBW is the OG game.
That is why Aerith seems dead. Cloud understands it's an illusion. Cissnei doesn't feel Zack is dead either.
Maybe that is the point. Maybe in this mess were supposed to go numb only to eventually be rebirthed.
It is a separate stand alone game
The entire remake/rebirth storyline is confusing and irritating. They added so much unnecessary stuff. And they ruined Sephiroth's mystery and terror by showing him every 5 mins. So frustrating
Idk what rebirth u played but ive seen sephiroth only a few times and most of them were in clouds mind too
It helps to think of it like a sequel.
That saying
"If it ain't broken, don't fix it"
Really applies here
This is really stepping into a fanfic level of storytelling. "It's about the conversation beyond the game, not the characters we fell in love with" is pretty much the perfect way to put it.
THANK YOU!!!
It's literally their business strategy. Create some confusing nonsense to drive speculation and interest in the next sequel. Whether it actually makes the game better or makes sense is secondary.
When we saw Zack in Remake, that was the moment this remagining of FF7 is going to be different, so as this but still Arith is dead.
It's even more disappointing because the character writing and dialogue are infinitely better than the original's ever was, and if they just focused on expanding upon those aspects while keeping the original story intact, we'd have a perfect remake.
They were never going to recapture the genuine shock that 1997 players experienced.
What they failed was to do the scene justice. They killed her anyway, but in a distracting mess of empty fake-outs.
I’m fine with the whole “Cloud believes she’s alive due to his trauma/fragmented memory”. twist and think it could’ve been interesting but it’s executed so poorly. It was hard to feel any raw or visceral emotions during Aeriths death when they throw a billion concepts/ideas at you regarding the multiverse + time travel to generate speculation and it’s made worse by the rushed pacing and weird camera cuts. It had me trying to piece things together rather than actually being in the moment and feeling sad.
Literally cloud having ptsd and coming terms to aertiths death would have been a great idea if the execution was better.
That's the difference from the original, in this one cloud seeing Aerith is not part of any ptsd or trauma, is because Aerith became one with the lifestream as so is Sephiroth right now. She dies in the material world, but she is alive. OG cloud didn't know, remake Cloud knows.
Or maybe it is just trauma and they are going to play with him accepting it, but the ending of advent children and everything else.
We will find out in part 3, we have a few years to speculate lol
Except she doesn't die in the Main world. Tifa had static and saw both worlds. One, Aerith is covered in blood. Two, Cloud blocked Sephiroth and Aerith isn't harmed. Now, here's how you know which is which. Seph needed to force Cloud and company into the World Between Worlds with the key to get the black materia. This happened right when Tifa saw static. The WBW Temple is not on the Northern continent, only in the Main. The WBW is the OG game.
That is why Aerith seems dead. Cloud understands it's an illusion. Cissnei doesn't feel Zack is dead either.
It's hard to feel any emotions during her death because we've known about it for 27 years
Finally a channel who's not afraid to criticise the ending, all i've seen so far are square chills telling us the game is perfect.
Uh, IGN always give bad scores lol
@@suhtangwongThey literally gave FF7 Rebirth a 9/10.
Chills? Or maybe they are just people with different opinions than you.
Or they just have opinions lol
Mind you, that isn't a mutally exclusive opinion. By all intents and purposes, it's a 9/10 game.
It fumbling the ending doesn't really change that.
This would be like remaking Sixth Sense and when you get to the twist where Bruce Willis' character learns he's been dead the entire time the Grim Reaper shows up and they have a John Wick style shootout action sequence immediately after.
It's tonedeaf and horrible.
My initial thought was that Cloud was mentally scarred by her death and couldn't face reality so kept seeing a reality where he saved her.
yeah agree.. aerith know cloud cannot accept the reality. it will doesn't make sense if after his big lost, cloud still continue to fight bravely. the only reason why aerith still appear in cloud minds, is only to cheer him in his journey.
No, because Red sensed her presence
Barret sensed wedges presence too
Lifestream man @@PeppeDAngelo-kq2ng
But then what about the rainbow prism that appears after sephs sword is deflected? It was heavily implied when this appears another reality is created.
@@PeppeDAngelo-kq2ng Barret sensed wedges as well
Likely just a life stream manifestation
The FF7 Remake/Rebirth feel like Aerith's New Game Plus. She tries to save the humanity again, but Sephiroth bumps up the difficulty
She never died to save humanity; she did not NEED to die. That's her entire point. She was murdered, not sacrificed nor did she want or plan on dying.
You mean Sephiroths new game plus.
Well... this Sephiroth is from the future. So it began as his New Game +, and Aerith was like "Hold My Beer"
@@kellevichyshe did to return to the life stream? Have you played the original?
THANK YOU!
Square took away the impact of that moment completely.
That the Whispers intercept to change her fate back to the original, switching between the original death in flashes that would completely confuse newcomers, and just pisses off those who played the original.
They really should have just done a true remake, instead of this multiverse, convoluted, nonsense.
Combat (which is inferior to 16s) is carrying the game for me so far. I’m an OG fanboy and so far the game feels like a hollow mess. The fort condor segments made me die inside.
Yeah but them just making an honest remake of the game would be too easy, and everything has to have the multiverse buzzword in it somewhere
Its not the same company that made great games anymore :(
It's a remake not remaster. Sequel to OG FF7... Doesn't have to be exactly the same.
It was always going to be a sequel though, book readers knew this.
@@denisbarbic That’s a poor excuse for bad execution bro.
just like the first game in the remake, the game as a whole is great, but all the weakest parts of the story the biggest changes from the original story (those damn ghost things that no one wanted for instance) . very sad =(
Its a sequal, not a remake
It’s called final fantasy 7 remake, which implies it’s a remake@@charlestonho6733
@@charlestonho6733 if these games were made as remakes and kept all of the old story beats without all of this multiverse and "sequel" nonsense it would be so much better
@@Mujoman101 Nomura already stated its sequal and already hint Sephiroth and Aerith went back in time for their goal.
@@charlestonho6733 the word remake was in the title of the 1st entry.....
its bait and switch.
They ruined this moment... a terrible ending, less is more, also Sephiroth is not intereating anymore, he's so random now.
Yeah, one of the great things about Sephiroth in the OG was simply him not talking so much.
That isn't Sephiroth. The real one is a mysterious badass who says little and comes across as a genuine danger. When he transforms into a twisted angelic being at the end of the game, it feels threatening. This limp-wristed imposter with his flimsy black bird's wing poses no threat to anybody and absolutely will _not_ shut up.
@@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers All that happens in part 1, and Meteor is done also in Part 1. Sephirot is defeated to free Holy and fight it back but fails and Aerith intevenes from the Lifestream to push out Meteor at the end of the OG. Here that's no more.
@@Haegemon What a shame.
@@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers it's a new plot. Sephirot changed the end in the Remake part 1.
The ending has this weird middle ground like she's both alive and dead and that takes away from the happiness of saving her or the sadness of losing her. It's bad story telling as far as I'm concerned. It's hard for me to take those "10/10" ratings seriously with that ending.
They're rating the totality of the game, not simply the ending cutscene.
You can't give a game with 80 hours of excellent gameplay and 1 hour of a confusing cutscene, a 6/10 because of it. Come on now.
Nearly all of those reviews mentioned this about the ending. And presumably, lowered the score by fractions of a point accordingly.
It has mostly reviews in the low 9's. 90-98's. Not 100's.
@@Jimmymatthewb agree 100%. in total, the game is absolutely fantastic. also, who says she really isnt dead and alive at the same time? maybe 2 timelines merged, who knows. dont take this video literally, its just a fantheory as well.
@@Jimmymatthewb You absolutely should have your rating impacted by the most important parts, and the ending is often the most important part of any story.
@@vincentgraymorethis is why your not a game journalist
@@MariinKitagawa Wow. Standards are low these days.
STOP KINGDOM HEARTSING FF7!
@@verus2k6 Naoki Hamaguchi did not direct KH. If people still think that Nomura is the Director here, they are simply wrong.
@@TheAufziehvogelI’ve been so tired seeing people blame Nomura. They have literally stated that it’s not him writing the story.
People keep on coping that nomura didn’t direct this, but he had a part a play. Even stated in interviews from remake.
Thank you, the added KH stuff is awful
@Orcaluv26It’s also been explicitly stated in interviews that he’s the one fighting to keep it as faithful as possible.
They totally butchered it. The realization of her loss is gone with her showing up everywhere after her death.
Didn’t bother people in AC
@@ThesocialmuteHD It DID bother people in AC. That's why so many people basically ignore everything post OG FF7.
@@ThesocialmuteHD It kind of did. The entire compilation is an after thought, and they were just milking the OG.
Didn’t Aerith reappear throughout certain places in the original game as a blink and you miss it ghost if you revisit certain areas in the game? You know like the church you try to approach her but she disappears if you did. Maybe they were trying to reflect that.
Its clouds break down. No one else sees her.
lucky that she's not owing him pizza...
What a mess they made with the new story elements... They should have more respect for the OG. All the elements they changed to the story is just a crapy mess.
Nothing "Phoenix Down" cannot fix Aerith. 😅😂🤣😭
Only for KO. Not for death
Phoenix down can be used for death look at crisis core
@@NefariousDrearyyeah well raise wouldnt work either
Don't they have the Phoenix materia?
And we have like 99 of them in our inventory 😅
The problem is the 2 hour fight😂😂
it really took 2 hours, and not because its difficult or anything xD
If it took you two hours, you're just bad bro, sorry to tell you
@@Kuerikami if it took you 2 hours you have some heavy skill issue
Sounds like skill issue
An hour and a half for me lol cause the reborn part was pretty annoying lol
Calling it now. Part 3 will make everyone take back what they said about this moment. Someone book mark this and call me in 3 years
My biggest issue is how they completely stepped on the other members of the team grieving her loss. One of the most incredible accomplishments of the Remake series is how they have brought these characters to life in a way many fans feared may never happen. The party became like a family during Rebirth, they would’ve been absolutely devastated. They handled that so poorly and stepped on it with multiverse nonsense
Just finished and couldn’t be more disappointed in the route they went
Lmao
Nobody cares
@@katerinakats6911 apparently about 2.4k people care
Wait, at 4:50, when do they explain she's a spirit? They really don't
Nope, you gotta make multiple assumptions
She say that because the cast members can't see aerith only cloud can
@@tiensimon1263 yeah but that really could have multiple reasons. its just an assumption. zack is still alive in another world and he asked cloud to save aerith.. who knows what will really happen?
She turns into green particles because she’s part of the lifestream and only Cloud can still see and interact with her although Red did feel her.
No, they never explain anything, assuming everyone has played the original game or read all explanations online.
Maybe they let some clues during the game but it's lost in hours and hours of meaningless quests. The game should have been 30 hours short.
Shocking writing,
Between mucking this up and mucking up Dyne's final moments, i'm kind of fed up with Squeenix.
The absolute worst thing you could do to a story about accepting loss is insert tired multiverse tropes but Nomura just can't help himself.
Ughh Nomura is not the scenario writer
@@obviusthemaxim2509he is one of the leading Producers you think he doesn't have anything to say or what.
Also FF7 rebirth has Kingdom Hearts written all over and that is Nomuras way of Story telling.
@doriansz3130 look at the interviews. Nomuras been stated as wanting to be faithful and not change the story at all but people like Nojima and Kitase kept pushing for changes. Development is a collaborative effort so don't pin the blame on one sole person
*Nojima
They turned a simple psychology story to Multibullshit universe
Marlene, say Doomguy into the mirror three times.
Okay, but why?
Because the multiverse will annoy him so much that it REFORMS itself. And everyone will be saved.
Does that Crucible in the Black Materia chamber belong to Doomguy?
...
Does it?
When did he...?
Someone called it realms. I'm gonna go with calling it realms that multi universe. Eases the blow a little and hopefully people use it to take the edge off
It's still about cloud broken mind state
That's how you milk the fan base. Most of the significant changes made to the game was for stretching it to a 3 part series.
Its not multiverse like marvel stuff etc.
They could have just made a straight remake and nobody would have been upset.
Exactly. If people can defend this they’d have been happy with anything. So why not just make everyone happy?
If you want to play the exact same thing, boot up the original. That story hasn't gone anywhere.
@@omegashinra7672ur dumb
@@omegashinra7672If you want a new story, play another game. People asked for a remake.
@@za87647👏
You know things are bad when Advent Children has better spirit-Aerith storytelling.
"I've never blamed you, not once" that quote is simple yet powerful for obvious reasons
Yes
Ending had subversion materia equipped
More like the contrived materia
"if it's not broken, don't fix it" Aerith's death scene was perfect as it was shown in the original FFVII
That's why it worked for ff7 OG this is a different game
This comment makes no sense. FF7 rebirth is a totally different game than FF7.
So "perfect" the whole party goes snowboarding after she dies and they barely even mourn her death 😂
@@tiensimon1263and for that an inferior product.
@LostGeburah in your opinion, but it's making sales and is the talk of the town it will do well and go down in history regardless.
This happens when you make a game based solely on fan service rather than keeping the original content that delivers rich and impactful moments that make the game unique.
Cry more. You would probably like it if Sephiroth dyed his hair neon orange
@TheArmoredScarecrow Awe, there's a little troll who doesn't know how to write. Don't worry, the grown-ups are talking now.
nah they're not doing fan service, the keeping the original content part you said would have been fan service.
if it was fan service, they would NOT have done this. no fans wanted plot changes from an ff7 remake
bruv it's called a remake, not a remaster lol
The biggest reason that the original hit that sad emotional note was because it was a straightforward scene, she was murdered in front of you And the gang, everyone's mad at sephiroth, he floats away gloating. Jenova shows up out of nowhere, you beat it up and THEN The gang mourns over aerith. It was very easy to interpret because it was straightforward.
Well now Aerith is the Cait Sith of shrödinguer ...
😂😂
Aeris death should have been a "Last of Us" moment, sad, powerful, makes you hate Sephiroth and want to go after him. What a fail
Can't hate Sephiroth because he's hot now
Time travel ruining yet another story.
It's insane how much better the original 90s game handles just about every major story beat than both of the remakes. Literally all of them.
Literally all of them? You clearly did not played the Remake games.
@@TheManaTree777clearly
Nah he’s spitting, other than the development of avalanche. This remake/sequel/game is lazy in writing. Only thing this games does right is gameplay.
@@jagmaster-playz it makes some mistakes but it’s far from lazy. You tweaking
@@guyc1479 SOME MISTAKES ?
Let me break it down and not from my perspective since I’ve play the OG and a little of crisis core.
As a new player in order to understand the story you need to play
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VII crisis core
Final Fantasy VII (Advent children)
If not you will be pretty confused on what’s happening and who these random characters are, and on top of that there hasn’t been one emotional moment that hit as hard as they original, and the meta commentary they had for this game is like spitting in your face. The OG fans are sad because a game with the 2nd or 3rd best story in the entire franchise as butchered for a meta commentary, fan service, and decent new character building which ultimately doesn’t amount to much. Especially, Sephiroth he literally got turned into one of the most menacing characters in all of gaming to a random time wizard character that shows up because of fan service.
Say it louder for the people who were there in 1997 who cried like newborns.
Heard square is remaking romeo and juliet and are leaving the death scene convoluted and ambiguous. It's provocative and it gets the people going.
"Cryptic, Convoluted, and Clumsy"
That's Nomura alright.
Nomura is not the writer.
@@gamerd8709 No he did not. The main scenario writer is still Kazushige Nojima. He wrote the scenario for almost every PlayStation Era Final Fantasy. If I'm informed correct, Nomura hadn't much involvement with Rebirth at atll besides character designs. Do not spread half knowledge. It's bad enough people still think in 2024 that Tetsuya Nomura is the mastermind behind every Final Fantasy game.
@TheAufziehvogel That's the Nomura haters. Nobody listens to these clowns.
It’s a combination of them not just Nomura, but it’s still bad.
@@TheAufziehvogel
Maybe his crackpot ending ideas would’ve been better executed if he actually did write it, since the writers clearly aren’t on his crack.
It takes serious effort to ruin such a memorable moment of the original.
Nothing can top the OG
hundred percent.. all they had to do was kill her.. but they Kingdom Hearts the hell out of it... she wont just die and will always linger as a ghost now.. her ending was such a convoluted let down..
Why wouldn't they save the Zack team up and aerith team up for the finale? Where both would of been much more impactful to cloud knowing the truth. Also how come we got sephiroth in his final form even though he is sitting in a crater lol
The moment lost all its emotional weight since we know perfectly well that rhe moment Cloud deflected Sephiroths sword a new timeline was created were Aerith survived. So at the very least we know of Zacks multiple timelines where she is in a Coma and the timeline where she survived the city of the ancients. It's pretty obvious that Cloud having ptsd and being delusional might be right but doesn't matter at all since somehow Aerith in all the timelines knows Cloud. This is not like Gamora which never meet Peter Quill in the End Game.
That moment already lost emotional impact since everyone knows she dies in the original.
@@linoleon100
People aren’t going to complain about MGS3’s ending not hitting from already knowing it.
@@Alex_Logan22 Nah they're gonna complain anyway because, "souless remake!!!"
@@bruhtholemew
That's an entirely separate sector of people that probably aren't buying these games anyway.
You made me think of something. Since Aerith is saved by Cloud in that tineline and Cloud can see other timelines, him seeing Aerith as a spirit is just her in another timeline.
The entire ending sequence really soured my opinion of the game.
They could have re-made the exact same death and aftermath scenes as in the OG and it would have still been even more heart wrenching than in 1997 after having spent so much time with this wonderfully written and acted character.
This is why Nomura shouldn't be allowed to touch multipart series. That or my other theory which is that TWEWY was a fluke and he's just incompetent when it comes to delivering a narrative's finale.
nomura wanted a 1:1 remake, so this theory kinda falls apart
Nojima*, not Nomura.
Didn't Nomura only do the character designs for TWEWY?
Nojima is the writer. Kitase has more heavy influence on the story changes. Nomura has had little to do with the main story of the Requel trilogy...
Though Nomura is the creative director, he originally wanted a more faithful remake (still split between multiple games) with some expansions. However, Nojima and Kitase who also worked on the original team convinced him (also one of them is the producer who has significantly more power in that role Japan than the role in its Western counterparts) to go this route. Nomura said he eventually relented since both Nojima and Kitase refused to work on the project otherwise and Square demanded the original crew work on the Remake project.
Original did it better, because it wasnt so confusing like in this game and you really dont feel loss if Cloud can see her and Nanaki feel her presence in Rebirth.
Using a multiverse/different timeline is lazy writing
Zack's appearance and abrupt exit was as bad as Aerith's death. With her, we at least knew who she was and why she was there. With Zack, they simply shoved him into the story and gave him an alternate timeline. Those of us who had played Crisis Core and the og FFVII at least knew a little what was going on. It must have been hell of confusing for some new players who asked themselves who this guy was and why he kept hijacking the story at random intervals with no explanation.
Funny that the one moment we all thought could change became a disappointment. Cant say I'm surprised when you look at KH2 to KH3.
It’s about time ign starting being honest about these aaa games
Well they were honest with their Starfield review 🤷😆
Ate they being honest or you are just agreeing with them?
@@JuanPablo-su6vw could be both but the way they’re doing Aerith is confusing it’s like damn can my man cloud just be happy 😂😂
It’s so convoluted and confusing. What a mess they made out of it
To take something that was so well written and change it into something so poorly written. It’s hack writing on the level of the last Jedi or ant man quantumania
Couldn't agree more to your words... Totally disappointed with square's choices.
Diffrent timelines mixxing, shes still alive in one and dead in another and then there is the other other. shes alive ofc
Unlikely.
The most important part of the story was a disappointment. We've already seen this on the OG. What's the point of this if they speak about alternate timelines? The Devs played around with the idea of saving Aerith, even an in alternate timeline where she doesn't die... and then it's fine for her to die, as a necessary 'sacrifice' to stop the destruction represented by Sephirot. After failing to protect the the person he loves, Cloud is happy being haunted by the spirit/ghost of Aerith... so wait another 5 years for a final episode which we already know the story, "no surprises there", just like Tifa would say.
Yeah, after so many years, they STILL haven't forgotten anything and haven't learned anything.
The whole point of diverging timelines is to see if they can make a profit from a Zack spin-off after the third part
They could have shown the start when he does block Sephiroth. But he should just push through the block
All will become apparent in the last game.
Aerith will return in Avengers 6: Into the Spider-Verse
SquareEnix changed everything we love and leave the moment we hate
The timeline splits, as indicated by the rainbow prism that appears when he deflects Sephiroth's attack. So there are two realities in play -- one where she lives, one where she dies.
There is an infinite amount of universe's
Finished the game last night. Get all the points in the video and have mixed feelings.
But from given how messed up Cloud becomes during the game, it makes a lot of sense from the perspective that Cloud is a unstable narrator and his character development.
They didnt do that scene justice! Aerith's death destroyed many 1997 teen gamers hearts to no end
Thank you for capturing it so well. I completely agree. I played rebirth and loved most of it but when I played the end I felt so disappointed. It completely lacks the emotional impact it needed (like the og). The script of a broken cloud yelling at Sephiroth about Aerith being dead… the sad music playing through the Jenova fight, and the time spent burying her… without all of that the ending just feels so empty. And me personally, I don’t mind the idea of having cloud seeing the two different realities where when she lived and when she died. Maybe there’s a way they could’ve done it where they still show that briefly just enough so that they get the point across that there is the multi worlds and maybe in one of them he did actually save her. But then snap back to reality, it wasn’t this one. And then you do all those things that bring about the emotional impact. I don’t know. I’m sure there was a better way to do it. It just stinks because once again most of the game was fantastic! But then they fumble the end part of the game and that disappointment is what I’m left with.
I'm calling it now, FF7 is going down the Loki(show) path. The game is going to end on ONE timeline(similar to the Sacred Timeline in Loki) where the Planet/Life Stream creates a Timeline where Gast/Hojo/Shinra NEVER discover Jenova. If Gast/Hojo never discover Jenova, guess who never gets created? Sephiroth. And nothing happens in FF7-verse as we know it. And thats how you beat Sephiroth; prevent his creation from ever happening.
And the 'Tear Jerker' ending? Will be a montage of the characters lives with no Jenova/Sephiroth influence.
Watch this end up making the Final Fantasy 7 characters in Kingdom Hearts become canon. Trollololol!
The fact that this sounds like what they are actually going for is so 💀
honestly could be
The it was a dream all along ending basically, invalidating everything that happened because it didn't. Terrible take kid.
Who’s looking forward to a 10 hour final boss in FF7R3?
So, she’s "Schrödingers Aerith" now …
Rather different experience. Keep in mind that Aerith isn't exactly a human but an ancient - secondly I loved how it reminded those who actually have grieved the loss of some one that she like their loved ones also can be invisible and actually there present with you, you just can't see her - but that doesn't mean she isn't there. It was a super comforting scene that was actually my favorite part of the production. There's an old saying that it's not death but a departure, that ones are still alive somewhere just not visibly with you.
Based video. People hide behind the "sequel" argument as if it salvages this horrible fanfic writting. This remake was a mistake
I’ve heard everyone’s enjoying this one ? Like everyone I’ve been in contact with that has played this game has enjoyed it .
How are people hiding behind it when it _is_ a sequel?
Me after the 5 hour long fight: "oh yeah, Aerith died, totally forgot about that"
It failed us whom played and loved FF7 for 27 years
It’s an embarrassment compared to the original
You are @@drsteinman5510
I’ve only recently played ff7 og and I’m still disappointed
Writing from 30 years ago or more must really confound these modern writers, because they mess it up whenever they try to go back to it.
Makes a mess of a lot of things. Those of us who played the original have come to accept it's essentially just a hackjob of FF15 assets. Something not many can admit.
No, they told us it was a remake, we knew it was going to be different. I'm not sure why people are still surprised they changed things. No one is talking about the whole original tifa plot line. But people are mad because aerith technically didn't die? These people don't even care about the character 😂
@@tiensimon1263Buddy, a remake is simply remaking an original as faithful as possible with some added changes that doesn't impact the overall themes and plots. Look at the RE remakes, Dead Space and Persona remakes.
Square knew full well the fans didn't want this scam of selling one game for the price of 3 while butchering the story to fanfiction levels
So stop, this isn't re-imagingining, stop the dishonest semantics mindgames
@Thiago_Alves_Souza that's your knowledge of a remake, a remake can be made from the ground up and can be a retelling it's not a remaster. It's not for the fans to dicste what they want. It's for square to tell a story they know will work well. It's not your childhood anymore.
The wildest example of creative hubris in gaming.