Iv'e owed a Kis EV for the past 14 months in that time its never missed a beat, the software is pretty good as is the build quality and driving experience
and they have a better life then in the west. i can assure you, im talking knowing people and family working in and around Guangzhou. much better quality of life compared to UK where i live @@aoh4905
2:29 Sam, you made a video about the Sea Lion which is 3.0 architecture. So yes you are aware they have a car to rival the model Y which is running on a dedicated electric platform. Good new information in this video though.
Customer wins here. Kudos to Tesla first for starting it off and bringing competition to BEVs. They raised the bar and other companies are responding with great products! we are getting more choice and better value. Thanks for bringing it, Sam!
Hi Sam, As you said the EV5 will be sourced from China. but you said it will price against BYD model Y. In this case, the price will be 50 to 60 percent more expensive in Australia. The lower range version in China converted to AUS dollars is around 40K. Take BYD seal as a comparison, the lower range EV5 is cheaper than lower spec Seal in China. The BYD seal starts at 48K in Australia. SHould the Kia EV5 start from somewhere there? Any thought?
The Seal U is a terrible EV! It's so stupid to even use the "Seal name in it" as it's nothing like the Seal other than its name! Now, the Sea Lion, now that will be an impressive BYD!
Would love any Kia EV at this point but in Canada, they are STILL in low supply. Even the EV6 is still hard to come by and I don't see many on the streets. Wait time at dealers is still a year out for a build to order. I don't consider KIA EVs as a realistic option for me for at least 2 to 3 years just because of the terrible supply issues here. Unfortunate. When this EV5 gets launched here, I'm guessing it will be worse because of the popularity of the form factor/price. The KIA/Hyundai dealerships here are also some of the worst sales tactics of all the brands from my experience. Unfortunate we still have to deal with dealerships when buying non Tesla's.
Absolutely agree. Kia / Hyundai ignorance of the Canadian market is something that boggles the mind. At the end of 2023 they even throttled sales in all dealerships. They really don't like Canadian dollars.
By 2030 a BEV with a 6th generation Sodium-Ion battery with a real life range of minimum 1,000 km will cost 1/10th of what an LFP with a CLTC range of 500 km costs now...inflation adjusted.
Kia's market share in China is already minuscule, if they don't make a last ditch effort, they could be out of the Chinese market this year or next year
Since the ev5 will not be made in Korea, we won't be getting it here in the United States because of the chicken tax. Here in the USA will have to wait until they're up for sale as a used car in Canada to be able to buy it. Good news however is that we do have the ev9 available now and that's a FANTASTIC car.
Lol, that Seal U will not compete! It is built on a Phev platform. It's an insult to even call it a Seal as it has nothing in common with the Seal other than its name!
I am totally disappointed that BYD called their new SUV also Seal because customers have high expectations and get only like on a cheaper Kia e-Niro or Hyundai Kona a PHEV-platform unlike the ‚original‘ SEAL. That for me is cheating on naive customers not knowing about the differences.
But isn't Hyundai/Kia Group starting work on redoing several of their South Korean production lines to build the Kia EV5 and eventually the EV3 in South Korea?
I'm wary of anything from Hyundai/Kia. Our Kona electric was a hand grenade and we had to get rid of it at a loss after only 25k kms. The main battery was replaced, the traction motor bearings failed and the motor was replaced, the reduction gearbox was falling apart and was replaced. The 12 volt aux battery caused the vehicle to die on us 6 times over 12 months before Hyundai realised the battery was faulty. I would wait a year or more before buying any new Kia/ Hyundai to see if they've screwed anything up in the engineering. Even then I'd be hesitant when there much more reliable EV makers out there. They do look good though.
And on 01/24/2024 During Tesla Earnings Call - Elon Musk Said: Chinese car companies are the most competitive companies in the world, they will have significant success outside of China depending on what kind of tariffs or trade barriers are established. If there were not trade barriers established, they will pretty much demolish most other car companies in the world. They are extremely good.
@@Sacto1654 agreed but some of them are great like musk suggested-NIO Reply to your ealier comment on tariffs: Would that be considered free trade or market/trade manipulation? Are we really competing or we are cheating? Have you seen some of the cars they produce and the technology? China has the largest EV market, what if they retaliate and make foreign investors in China pay the deferential in local taxes to Chinese government. What percentage of Tesla sales comes from China?This is gonna be interesting and crazy down the road. Fingers crossed 🤞. If you have the time, please research into what kind of cars and technology NIO for example is offering.
Hmnn...Kia has an opportunity to snaffle a big share of the Subaru (Outback) market with this and at the same time thoroughly cripple sales of the Solterra if they give the EV5 more than 200mm of ground clearance and good wheel articulation. With more than double the range of the Solterra plus superior charging speeds at a lower price, the Kia also will have better cabin ergonomics. I'd certainly consider the EV5 ahead of a Y Juniper, on the basis of quality of finish alone, but in the end, I'd have to compare the two very closely.
@@mackan7086 Kia should be worrying. Slim margins on their E.V,s and declining ice sales lowering their margins even more, may lead to their destruction...
I don't understand the love affair with the little box and big box, high drag, higher height, vehicle. I guess I've always followed the high efficiency form following function idea. That means low drag, lower height, Far Better Safety (yes they are), better handling, better performance vehicle. Then again, we have this faulty perception from people, who think that because they are in a vehicle that looks like a mini truck, that somehow they are going to be safer and upmarket. I blame the Range Rover. 😊 That said, the EV5 is a BEV, so there has to be some good about it.
With 400 V architecture it doesn't matter if the battery can charge at 600 kW. It will be limited to 200kW maximum with current charger hardware, or 250kW at Tesla chargers.
1000km range would make the car much heavier due to bigger battery size and not to mention cost. Manufacturer prefer to sell standard 600km than 1000km without raising the price. Even if the density improves manufacturer still prefer to sell 600km range and lower down the price so more can buy, UNLESS 1000km becomes a new standard for car maker. By then people will use another reason to wait for a 2000km range😂😂😂
@@satay8167 I think this car is out of reach for most people in Portugal anyway. Salarys in Portugal : The “1,000 to 2,499.9 euros” bracket represented 27.8% of workers, while in the next category (between 2,500 and 4,999.99 euros) there were 4.2%, with only 0.7% having a base salary monthly over 5,000 euros . I would say to afford a 72000 euro car, you need to make atleast 5000 euros a month, so 0.7% of the people with an income.
@@satay8167 wrong...with the new sodio baterys is possible to have the same weight or less and more range...toyota already shows....do not think small but ask biggerr for your benefit
I would add Kia to one of the company to disrupt the US, too. For all those racists and political extremists, Kia cars have spectacular reviews and spectacular reliability. Chinese cars are not generally imported to the US, so political extremists have largely aligned with the EV issue and the Chinese car issue. But Kia/Hyundai will change all that.
The reason why Tesla remains on top and will remain on top for the time to come is that they’re charging network is second to none. Every single other manufacturer may be able to easily make better cars than Tesla, but they all suffer from the exact same problem: The charging networks that they rely on are poor, unpredictable, and unreliable.
In America KIa sold 800,000 cars Tesla only 650,000. Kia has increased sakes 400% whilst Teslas growth continued its slide to half that of 2021 to 20% it also lost 30% of its market share to competitors. In good news BYD is the number one electric car maker now surpassing telsa in BEVs it also does hybrids. Vinfast is building a factory in America too good on them . BYD is building a factory in Europe good on them . Except for China no one is going to sell well there Tesla only does like 250,000 nothing . ford sell 1.9 million cars alone in the American market which is more than Tesla does globally . Toyota does 1.96 million into the American market 3 times more than Tesla does and that’s it biggest market . Kia sells 200,000 cars more than Tesla in its own market. Tesla moving forward only expects growth of 2.5% a year in Europe alone. Chinas market is saturated and volumes / demand has dropped enormously since 2020 hence Chinese car makers are pushing out globally to get sales, they haven’t increased their volumes Still making over 70% ice but new EVs on the block all the time watch Geely they have some geat stuff coming and their Volvo EVs sell like hot cakes there everywhere
Geez, 😂 the slant is hilarious. Kia didn't sell 800k EVs. The EV6 while not bad has issues with software. Charging on road trips without NACS is tough. The list goes on and it's not a bad first try. Tesla grew its market share and others sold vehicles too. Model Y isn't he best selling car worldwide for nothing. The EV 5 in the US without NACS, without the rebate will be near an impossible sell
@@ChicagoBob123Yeah NACS is so useful except it does not support V2X unlike the new Kia EV9. So when it's so cold and your house loses power your NACS is totally useless while most Kia can at least use V2L and heat the home during a power failure!
The EV5 is the car I have been waiting for.
The Kia EV is turning heads here in Atlanta, Ga They look real nice definitely going to change the game
Iv'e owed a Kis EV for the past 14 months in that time its never missed a beat, the software is pretty good as is the build quality and driving experience
That's because u havent had the Chinese experience on both prices and quality
Just to note that price of standard EV5 version in China is 22,500 USD
China's price is meaningless as no where else can have similar price, not even close...
Sure they make a fraction of what we make on avg
and they have a better life then in the west. i can assure you, im talking knowing people and family working in and around Guangzhou. much better quality of life compared to UK where i live @@aoh4905
The best news here is CATL reducing price on the battery pack and better high speed charging.
BYD got BYD Song L and BYD Sea Lion both are aim to compete with Tesla Y, and cheaper too. Still the EV5 look nice..some may like the look
Great news. Kia's killing it. (Pleased this video wasn't typically Tesla-biased too, if you'll pardon the back-handed compliment.)
I am actually impressed by an EV that isn’t a supercar.
Huge win for KIA.
Now it would be good to see one that's not an SU fing V.
2:29 Sam, you made a video about the Sea Lion which is 3.0 architecture. So yes you are aware they have a car to rival the model Y which is running on a dedicated electric platform. Good new information in this video though.
so, 530-570 real world range in good weather. which is great.
Customer wins here. Kudos to Tesla first for starting it off and bringing competition to BEVs. They raised the bar and other companies are responding with great products! we are getting more choice and better value. Thanks for bringing it, Sam!
R u sure that the batteries offered by catl not byd?
Hi Sam,
As you said the EV5 will be sourced from China. but you said it will price against BYD model Y. In this case, the price will be 50 to 60 percent more expensive in Australia.
The lower range version in China converted to AUS dollars is around 40K.
Take BYD seal as a comparison, the lower range EV5 is cheaper than lower spec Seal in China.
The BYD seal starts at 48K in Australia. SHould the Kia EV5 start from somewhere there?
Any thought?
Dear Sam, take a look at the BYD Seal U
The Seal U is a terrible EV! It's so stupid to even use the "Seal name in it" as it's nothing like the Seal other than its name! Now, the Sea Lion, now that will be an impressive BYD!
Would love any Kia EV at this point but in Canada, they are STILL in low supply. Even the EV6 is still hard to come by and I don't see many on the streets. Wait time at dealers is still a year out for a build to order. I don't consider KIA EVs as a realistic option for me for at least 2 to 3 years just because of the terrible supply issues here. Unfortunate. When this EV5 gets launched here, I'm guessing it will be worse because of the popularity of the form factor/price. The KIA/Hyundai dealerships here are also some of the worst sales tactics of all the brands from my experience. Unfortunate we still have to deal with dealerships when buying non Tesla's.
Absolutely agree. Kia / Hyundai ignorance of the Canadian market is something that boggles the mind. At the end of 2023 they even throttled sales in all dealerships. They really don't like Canadian dollars.
By 2030 a BEV with a 6th generation Sodium-Ion battery with a real life range of minimum 1,000 km will cost 1/10th of what an LFP with a CLTC range of 500 km costs now...inflation adjusted.
This is on my short list. If it has rough road cred, like ground clearance and traction management.
Good luck. Blade batteries have a habit of self igniting and thermal runaway when charging
Kia's market share in China is already minuscule, if they don't make a last ditch effort, they could be out of the Chinese market this year or next year
Good news for the car market, bad news for the value of my 2023 MYP ;)
waiting here in norway 😎 i wonder why ionic 5 is so expensive here.. so hoping EV5 will be less expensive👌
Looking forward to the EV5 coming to the UK 👍🏻
It got the same sex appeal as a road accident 🤦🏼♂️
Reminds me of the Trabant or Warzbürg of some time ago.
Are these new batteries good in cold weather
Yes. The old ones were too.
So CATL will slash battery prices in half this year? Very exciting! If that doesn't make EVs affordable for the masses, I don't know what will.
That seems awesome. If it has NACS then it's possibly a winner.
Looking forwards to the EV4 sedan to be out..would be interesting to challenge Tesla and The other EV'S.
Yep, that's the one I have been waiting for.
Since the ev5 will not be made in Korea, we won't be getting it here in the United States because of the chicken tax. Here in the USA will have to wait until they're up for sale as a used car in Canada to be able to buy it. Good news however is that we do have the ev9 available now and that's a FANTASTIC car.
Are you sure a huge vehicle like the ev9 is large enough to carry your ego?
BYD has the Seal U, which would probably be the one to compete with EV5
Lol, that Seal U will not compete! It is built on a Phev platform. It's an insult to even call it a Seal as it has nothing in common with the Seal other than its name!
I am totally disappointed that BYD called their new SUV also Seal because customers have high expectations and get only like on a cheaper Kia e-Niro or Hyundai Kona a PHEV-platform unlike the ‚original‘ SEAL. That for me is cheating on naive customers not knowing about the differences.
Such a missed opportunity for BYD. A BEV Seal U SUV would’ve killed it in the Australian market.
@MitchPhillips Nah, the Sea Lion will kill it in the Australian market, and that is modern like the Seal, not that ugly Seal U!
But isn't Hyundai/Kia Group starting work on redoing several of their South Korean production lines to build the Kia EV5 and eventually the EV3 in South Korea?
Not for our market
Same size as model y, so Tesla could put the same 88kwh battery in the long range 3/y?:)
Competition is healthy-> Now Tesla needs to meet or beat any competition
Kia killer car. Ev or ice. Has the alpha muculine look . make sheeps out of competition.😊
Will the Kia EV5 have CATL's CTP 3.0 "Qilin" LFP version 160Wh/kg battery?
If it's the battery he is referring to, then it's the Shenxing battery
I'm wary of anything from Hyundai/Kia. Our Kona electric was a hand grenade and we had to get rid of it at a loss after only 25k kms. The main battery was replaced, the traction motor bearings failed and the motor was replaced, the reduction gearbox was falling apart and was replaced. The 12 volt aux battery caused the vehicle to die on us 6 times over 12 months before Hyundai realised the battery was faulty. I would wait a year or more before buying any new Kia/ Hyundai to see if they've screwed anything up in the engineering. Even then I'd be hesitant when there much more reliable EV makers out there. They do look good though.
And on 01/24/2024 During Tesla Earnings Call
- Elon Musk Said:
Chinese car companies are the most competitive companies in the world, they will have significant success outside of China depending on what kind of tariffs or trade barriers are established. If there were not trade barriers established, they will pretty much demolish most other car companies in the world. They are extremely good.
But a huge issue the Chinese need to deal with is quality control, especially the long term reliability of the vehicle.
@@Sacto1654 agreed but some of them are great like musk suggested-NIO
Reply to your ealier comment on tariffs:
Would that be considered free trade or market/trade manipulation? Are we really competing or we are cheating? Have you seen some of the cars they produce and the technology? China has the largest EV market, what if they retaliate and make foreign investors in China pay the deferential in local taxes to Chinese government. What percentage of Tesla sales comes from China?This is gonna be interesting and crazy down the road. Fingers crossed 🤞. If you have the time, please research into what kind of cars and technology NIO for example is offering.
Very beautiful Car , Kia.,,
Nowadays you can't release an EV only with a 400V structure, it's outdated.
When will they start offering really big batteries.
88kwh not big enough?
Too bad the US won't be getting it. :(
You may, but it will be the Korean made models
Thanks Sam. Looks like one less reason to buy an ICE car
Kia and Hyundai EVs are cars to avoid .Many owners complain of irritating rattling etc.
How is it possible that the EV5 isn't coming to the US?
Made in China - super high import taxes
Hmnn...Kia has an opportunity to snaffle a big share of the Subaru (Outback) market with this and at the same time thoroughly cripple sales of the Solterra if they give the EV5 more than 200mm of ground clearance and good wheel articulation. With more than double the range of the Solterra plus superior charging speeds at a lower price, the Kia also will have better cabin ergonomics. I'd certainly consider the EV5 ahead of a Y Juniper, on the basis of quality of finish alone, but in the end, I'd have to compare the two very closely.
Tesla Model 3 & Y, and many of yhere batteries, are made in China too.
The Kia has some nice lines and l luxury interior, unlike Tesla
BYD has the Song L that rivals the Tesla Model Y.
This car is less than 40k in China. So the car shouldn’t be anything more than 58k
kia van lets go
It’s made in China 💨
DO THEY HAVE TSLA ADVANCED ASSEMBLY LINES AND SAFETY SPECS?
I am pretty sure that Kia has a fair bit more experience in producing cars than T have
Wow...it's like as if Usain Bolt ran the 100 with a giant Albertross(the ice car factories Kia still maintaines) around his neck....
Those factories are still making Kia billions every year
@@mackan7086 yeh, and what happens when gas car production demand falls off a cliff?
From the consumer perspective, sounds fine. But they are basically cutting their own neck, weakly...
@@treestandsafety3996 why do you think they are ramping up EV production? They are aware of where things are heading, don't worry.
@@mackan7086 Kia should be worrying. Slim margins on their E.V,s and declining ice sales lowering their margins even more, may lead to their destruction...
when BEV want to compete with Tesla first of all they need to consider their charging infrastructures
I don't understand the love affair with the little box and big box, high drag, higher height, vehicle. I guess I've always followed the high efficiency form following function idea. That means low drag, lower height, Far Better Safety (yes they are), better handling, better performance vehicle.
Then again, we have this faulty perception from people, who think that because they are in a vehicle that looks like a mini truck, that somehow they are going to be safer and upmarket. I blame the Range Rover. 😊
That said, the EV5 is a BEV, so there has to be some good about it.
At last, a decent range from Kia 👏
And an ev6 doesn't have enough range to ease your anxiety about going to the shops or work?
@metricstormtrooper Ours real world 440km, of course, the 220+ kw charge speed is a great help.
KiA EV5 to compete with Tesla Model Y LR needs 25% bigger battery , I mean KiA EV5 needs at least 95kWh battery to compete to Model Y LR
No. Tesla has 77 kwh. And KIA will be of course a better car in the other dimensions.
With 400 V architecture it doesn't matter if the battery can charge at 600 kW. It will be limited to 200kW maximum with current charger hardware, or 250kW at Tesla chargers.
Which is still faster than the SR Tesla and a lot faster than any BYD
❤❤Great reporting Sam👍
EV5 - $85K in US 😠
Kia EV5 is not comparable to Tesla Model Y but Model X..
Clueless! The Model X is 2 classes above the EV5! EV5 is just 4.6 metres long vs the huge Model X at over 5 metres!
@@gregb1599 Clueless.... Model Y is a sedan. EV5 is an SUV. They are not the same shape or class or size / volume.
@@Seventh7Art Have you forgotten about the Model 3? Shows you have no clue about brands!
@@gregb1599 Model 3 is only 5 cm shorter than model Y. What is your point?
@@Seventh7Art You need to get off your drugs! You are the one that is trying to compare the Kia EV5 to a Model X!
Afternoon mate
EV 5 and in general all electric KIA are so ugly that if it was 50% cheaper than Tesla Y I wouldn't buy it!
Cheers mate
Exciting times 👍😉💪
❤
EV5 has the design only a mother can like,.
I'm back ❤❤❤
Sounds bloody great
Ev9 in portugal pvp is 72000 euros but only 600 klms range in city.....we need 1000 klms to have a mix.... city and road
1000km range would make the car much heavier due to bigger battery size and not to mention cost. Manufacturer prefer to sell standard 600km than 1000km without raising the price. Even if the density improves manufacturer still prefer to sell 600km range and lower down the price so more can buy, UNLESS 1000km becomes a new standard for car maker. By then people will use another reason to wait for a 2000km range😂😂😂
@@satay8167 I think this car is out of reach for most people in Portugal anyway. Salarys in Portugal : The “1,000 to 2,499.9 euros” bracket represented 27.8% of workers, while in the next category (between 2,500 and 4,999.99 euros) there were 4.2%, with only 0.7% having a base salary monthly over 5,000 euros . I would say to afford a 72000 euro car, you need to make atleast 5000 euros a month, so 0.7% of the people with an income.
In Bulgaria is even worse, it costs 172000 leva which is nearly 90k euro, what are they smoking and this is 3 ton 200 hp joke car!
@@satay8167 wrong...with the new sodio baterys is possible to have the same weight or less and more range...toyota already shows....do not think small but ask biggerr for your benefit
Clueless nonsense. Nobody needs 600 miles of range. There's a distinction between need and want obviously you're all about your wants
design is ugly for many people though
In China, Kia only sold 347 EV5 in December. What a flop.
Perhaps design of ev5 is not sexy enough😂
It's because there were not enough cars in the market. The car launched in China in late December.
I would add Kia to one of the company to disrupt the US, too.
For all those racists and political extremists, Kia cars have spectacular reviews and spectacular reliability. Chinese cars are not generally imported to the US, so political extremists have largely aligned with the EV issue and the Chinese car issue. But Kia/Hyundai will change all that.
May as well buy a real Chinese EV.
China? Thought Kia Korean
China? I thought Tesla was American? China? I thought VW was German? Wow!
The reason why Tesla remains on top and will remain on top for the time to come is that they’re charging network is second to none. Every single other manufacturer may be able to easily make better cars than Tesla, but they all suffer from the exact same problem: The charging networks that they rely on are poor, unpredictable, and unreliable.
Sad in your country our country has better non Tesla charging with many charges min 200kw up to 300kw vs all Tesla at just 120kw
In America KIa sold 800,000 cars Tesla only 650,000. Kia has increased sakes 400% whilst Teslas growth continued its slide to half that of 2021 to 20% it also lost 30% of its market share to competitors. In good news BYD is the number one electric car maker now surpassing telsa in BEVs it also does hybrids. Vinfast is building a factory in America too good on them . BYD is building a factory in Europe good on them . Except for China no one is going to sell well there Tesla only does like 250,000 nothing . ford sell 1.9 million cars alone in the American market which is more than Tesla does globally . Toyota does 1.96 million into the American market 3 times more than Tesla does and that’s it biggest market . Kia sells 200,000 cars more than Tesla in its own market. Tesla moving forward only expects growth of 2.5% a year in Europe alone. Chinas market is saturated and volumes / demand has dropped enormously since 2020 hence Chinese car makers are pushing out globally to get sales, they haven’t increased their volumes Still making over 70% ice but new EVs on the block all the time watch Geely they have some geat stuff coming and their Volvo EVs sell like hot cakes there everywhere
Someone doesn’t like Elon
Geez, 😂 the slant is hilarious. Kia didn't sell 800k EVs. The EV6 while not bad has issues with software. Charging on road trips without NACS is tough. The list goes on and it's not a bad first try. Tesla grew its market share and others sold vehicles too. Model Y isn't he best selling car worldwide for nothing. The EV 5 in the US without NACS, without the rebate will be near an impossible sell
And poor Toyota only sells 11 million cars per year and even then some models have an 18 month wait! 😢
@@ChicagoBob123Yeah NACS is so useful except it does not support V2X unlike the new Kia EV9. So when it's so cold and your house loses power your NACS is totally useless while most Kia can at least use V2L and heat the home during a power failure!
@@gregb1599 I think NACS can do V2L if it had the hardware to do so. From what I understand
ugly car 😖
Better get your EVs before Trump puts tariffs on everything coming in from abroad. (Providing he’s not in prison, that is)
All these ev pushers believe in this crap