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Totally bogus guys, they literally connected it back to white man’s story. As per white man’s story those people in Middle East came from caucuses. Their timelines also match up. Lot more respect to those creators who publish silly shorts & tiktoks.
I am Indonesian, but the test results show that my DNA comes from China, India, and Australasia. So, not only did we import the 3 major religions, sanskrit alphabets, rice, weaving technology, temple architecture, cooking spices, etc. from India, but also our phenotypes and genotypes were also partially inherited from India. Thank you for everything :))
I think you meant Tamil. Most east Asian languages are inspired from Tamil script and not Sanskrit. Sanskrit has more ties with Arabic and some European languages but not south east Asian languages.
@@zachbercu3230 Of course there is Tamil influence in Indonesia, and some believe that the influence of Tamil culture is more dominant. One of the arguments is because there is a story about the Tamil version of the Rama-Shinta story matched with Indonesian version. Even in the earliest Indian epic, the Ramayana, Sugriva, the head of Rama's army, is recorded as sending his men to Yawadvipa, the island of Java, to look for Sita. ha ha ha... Also according to the ancient Tamil manuscript Manimekalai, Java had a kingdom with a capital called Nagapuram. After all, South Indian culture spread widely since the Pallava dynasty from South India in the 4th century. But there are also many records that show that merchants from Gujarat came to Indonesia to trade and spread Islam here, so that in the end our nation experienced mass apostasy for the third time by Indians. Aha ha ha...
@@vivekthekk So it is better to get to know the reality Because it was Invasion, not immigration Because they replaced both their language and their religion We see this from the mistreatment of the lower castes by the upper castes and the denigration of blacks by the Rig Veda(that writed by aryans). When the other indo european steppe herders entered western Europe, they did not leave a single male farmer alive and Aryans are their cousins and barbarism is in their blood!!! they entered India without their female population As you know, when a population goes somewhere without its female population (like the Mongols), it means that they go for war or looting. How is it possible for them to enter India without their famale population and not have a conflict with the native people over their women? Do you think that the Aryans entered India and the people of the Indus Valley welcomed them with flowers and sweets? NO Genetics shows that the Aryans killed about 70% or more of the indigenous people of the Indus Valley and raped their women this is normal for bronz age even mongols destroyed central asia and its Iranic population killed 15 million people with high amount of aryan genetic and replaced them with turco_mongols Only 5% of Tajiks survived and fled to the mountains history maybe be sad but anyone can"t run away from it.......
@@user_18789 Yes Tajikistan - very fascinating indeed!! They did have chariots though and the males spread into the females. So while they didn't have domination by numbers they did dominate in terms of technology and breeding. I think the endogamous caste system by 100 A.D. is more a product of literacy having spread since literacy is left-brain dominant as ideology that gets passed on generation to generation. This is known as religion of course.
@@user_18789 As far as i know on this, the aryans immigrated in multiple batches, lived with local population, slowly understood the way to survive in Indian land. And their survival strategy is really cunning. Get the support of the power from king. develop and spread the idealogy of Varnas, Dont work, dont do farming, dont trade via sea (as it is even dangerous), basically dont risk life for anything and at the same time, get everything by making others work for them. Even at the time of war defeats, they made a strategy that they cannot be killed. So, all the track of Aryans shows no blood dropping, apply a cruel mind for survival. And to the surprise their idealogy is still in practise for a successfull 2000+ years. They used religion as a big tool. injected self biased ideas into the religion which works in 21st century as well. for ex:only Bhramins can be temple priest, wedding happens with their approvals, even PM of a country fall on their foot. etc etc.
@@genkideguire bro india is part of America, Africa and Australia, indian subcontinent is not whole land it's a part of many land, india has rich cultural and language like Tamil, even trading but that's one of part, Evan they have oldest Archeological proof before 75000 years ago But all are migrants from Africa not only whole world people start their migrants roots from Africa., And i am not from Africa, i am also from india, we should talk about truth., Thank you
@@RasimillionTamil/Tamizh like every other language in existence, has evolved and will continue evolving with every generation. No language is immune to evolution. A language can evolve slowly or fast depending on several factors but it has to evolve. Tamil has evolved from proto-dravidian just like the indo european languages have evolved from proto-indoeuropean and chinese langauges from proto-sinotibetian.
@@Rasimilliondravidians migrated from one part of the african continent around 6000 to 8000 bce. if tamil originated in southern part of indian subcontinent then what was the language they used to speak when they migrated to south india from africa? a language can't be formed on its own out of nowhere without from the previous language. so if you're right then dravidians might have stopped speaking their previous language and directly made a new language (tamil) out of nowhere and labeled it as pure language? how ironic?
I am from Kerala and I did a 23andMe DNA test. It says the maternal DNA from my mother is haplogroup L and 65000 years the ancient people left the horn of Africa and entered the area of current day Yemen. It later became M2 and the ancients entered northern part of India 40000 years ago. From there, they traveled along the coast and reached South India. The paternal DNA from my father is haplogroup A. 76000 years ago they entered the area of current day Iran. That became haplogroup L-M20 and they entered the northern part of India 48000 years ago.
I am South Indian (75% Tamil - 25% Telugu) and I already know that I'm a Dravidian for a long time. Albeit born, raised and living 4 generations away from the Indian sub-continent, I believe I could still share my opinion. I have read of the Aryan invasions (I did believe it until I have a clearer understanding watching this upload) but I have in the last 8-9 years always acknowledge the FACT we Tamil people were originally from Africa. The prejudice is real!! ... even if one is raised outside India but it's not all black and white as you think, there are so many shades in between. For those ultra orthodox Hindus it's more about caste system and religion. .. But then,, even if you are from the same caste.. the last lingering issue would be - skin color! 90% of my society (in the country I live in now) don't believe in that anymore. Bad news.. the same 90% possibly do NOT KNOW much about DNAs, real time history and NOT we originally are Africans. I'm lighter colored and have relatives like me marrying either ultra light skin color and also absolute darkish skin color from different castes.. Why? Because we have learnt that a bird of feathers flock together only intellectually but NOT from understanding of our African black history last 70k years, When I personally highlight this to my orthodox family that still believe "" IT IS US WHO BROUGHT LANGUAGE, CIVILIZATION etc.. TO OUTSIDE NATIONS!! They frown with the "WHY?!1? BECAUSE THE WHITE MAN SAID SO??? "" It is in my own opinion again that one's religion itself plays the whole brainwash... " my way or highway..." doesn't matter that what creed, religion,, skin ,, nationality..civilization..
Having said, most Indians I know today don't really care about skin color these days. But if you are going to say things like .. ' HELOOWWW!! like we all were once from the African continent 70k years go and we moved here and fact that we are originally hunter gathering black people from Africa ....etc..etc... Damn!! definitely my people are NOT ready for it.
@@urbanmonkNH44 we have evidences which predates Both Aryan migration theory and AIT. And I didn't talk about OIT in first place. UP findings near IVC unearthed Chariots, helmets, Swords etc tracks back to 2000 BCE or More. Which predates All the migration hypothesis.
@@urbanmonkNH44 and Study done by US,ohio uni of human sciences and IIT, ASI shows NO evidence of a migration coming to indian subcontinent OVER 8000 year SPAN
@@CHRS-ri5mfBut DNA evidences says otherwise. AASI is the original inhabitants. They mixed with people who came from Zagros mountains to create IVC. IVC started its decline by 1900 BC, and the Aryans or the Steppe Hearders arrived in 1800 BC. The Sinnouli artifacts shows similarities with both late Harappan (IVC) and Vedic culture. It may be better to separate the IVC and the Ganga-Jamuna culture and Sinouli is part of the second.
I'm from Punjab and my ancestry DNA analysis says 78% Central Asia-South, 19% North India and 3% South India. The 3% South India is quite strong as I love Dosa and Rajnikant movies. :)
Jats were Central Asians or Anatolians who settled in india during indo Greek wars or hunnic period So I guess you're a Jatt that's why you have central asian dna
They are based on recent genetics. Originally my results showed 3% Persian DNA and 47% North indian (I am half indian). Now it has been changed to 10% South Indian and 40% North Indian. So you can see the ancient Iranian lineage is now considered a founder effect and has been changed to being indian DNA in my current results.
@MrAmhara Dravidians did move from Africa. But they kept on building colonies throughout the coast of the middle-east until they reached India. But it took them thousand years to migrate. But in the meantime, they kept on mixing through each colony they created. Hence, why the Dravidians dont completely share African DNA. They were mixing a lot throughout their journey.
Technically, North Indians and South Indians share the same ancient hunter-gatherer ancestry from mother side, with about 80% of our DNA in common and only a 20% difference due to steppe ancestry, though the percentage of steppe ancestry can vary among different castes. we are brothers.
@@MyCosmicQuest They are the pure hunter gatherers who left Africa 65,000 years ago & settle in Asia. They migrated all the way to Sri Lanka. They were in Sri Lanka by 50,000 years ago. The oldest human remains found in Sri Lanka is 48,000 years old, which is called Balangoda Man as the remains found in a cave Balangoda area. The Sri Lankan aboriginal people called "Vedda people" still live in Sri Lankan jungles, are the descendens from those who came here 50,000 years ago. The aboriginals live in North Sentinel islands (Andaman Islands) are also the same people.
India has been attacked by many outside armies and conquered, but over time, the conquerors were themselves overwhelmed by india's knowledge and way of life. In the end, the agressors were conquered intellectually. That is why india has survived
Whoever came here accepted india as their own country except muslims. How much ever they live here in harmony, they always think arab and pakistan as their own country
What about the domination of modern India by the step herder (Brahman) DNA and their exploitation of the hunter gatherers even today in the form of RSS, BJP? Wake up! Islam is not the enemy, the CAST system is the biggest enemy of India! No wonder BJP is weak in the south
The same has happened to Iran. I don't think any region has been attacked as many times as Iran. But, eventually, all those invaders became Persianized!
Lolz. When outsiders come they bring their own culture knowledge wisdom and traditions. So the land becomes a melting pot of different cultures and races. Like many so called Indian foods are actually from Arab Iran Turkey and central Asia.
As an Indian I think you should not be blinded by Indian nationalism or pride. There is some truth to this. Definitely a mix of two civilizations and then a mix of more.
The oldest known Indo-European language is not from the Caucuses but from modern day. Turkey. The “Hittite“ language. Northern Indians even look like dark skinned White people. lol
Most indo european groups spread their genes by their men (and we all know what that means globally-not very consensual love making) Interestingly most indo european invasions were extremely brutal and genocidal to the point where new populations were pretty homogenus which makes me think that it was indeed an invasion but that the pre herder mix were EXTREMELY resilient
I see a lot of comments bashing the video, but I just wanna say great content yall. I'm in no position to say how well researched this is, but I really love the way you presented your ideas. Hope you keep making content like this. Subbed+1
🤦 in case that all people would be african - the population in africa has also changed - & So the initial population that left africa are the ancesters of all three populations the study mentions make up the genetics of the people in the asian subcontinent.
For one, I don't believe Noah's Ark is anywhere near the Caucus mountains. If they journeyed from the East back to Babylon, then the Ark would have had to land on a high mountain range such as the Hindu Kush.
Per the Bible, a man named Elam. The Caucasians (Pursians/Iranians) came into Iran and India. In the bible, there is a story about the Pursians and Meades. At the end of the day, no matter where you come from, you are an awesome people.
Gentlemen, the root gene is Harrapan - All Indians were descents of Africa/Harappa. Please do not bring the same old story created by Europeans. The old Greek stories were based on Bharat glory. I recently found that Telugu is derived from Prakri and has Brahmi script in 3rd century BCE. However, our own people put off the archeological evidences from Bhattiprolu, inscriptions on temple walls. Some bad Pallavans destroyed Telugu culture. The great Sulabha sutra composer in 800 BCE, Apastambha was supposed to be from Godavari area of Andhra. Please do not bring north & south difference. This divide and rule is British!
Your perspective highlights the deep historical connections and cultural heritage of the Indian subcontinent, particularly emphasizing the significance of the Harappan civilization and the Telugu language. --- The root gene of Indian civilization can be traced back to the Harappan civilization, with a significant lineage linking all Indians to ancient migrations from Africa. This narrative challenges the simplistic historical accounts often propagated by European scholars. The grandeur of Bharat (India) is reflected in ancient Greek writings, which were deeply influenced by the rich culture and achievements of the Indian subcontinent. Telugu, a prominent Dravidian language, is believed to have evolved from Prakrit, with historical roots that include inscriptions and literary evidence dating back to the 3rd century BCE, particularly the Brahmi script seen in archeological finds at Bhattiprolu. This site is crucial for understanding the early development of Telugu and its literary traditions. Unfortunately, much of this archaeological evidence has been overlooked or dismissed by contemporary scholars. The destruction of Telugu cultural heritage can be attributed to various historical forces, including the Pallava dynasty, which, while contributing to the region's architectural and artistic developments, also led to the dilution of local traditions. The Sulabha Sutra, attributed to the renowned scholar Apastambha, who is believed to have hailed from the Godavari region of Andhra Pradesh around 800 BCE, is a testament to the intellectual richness of the time. His contributions to philosophy and grammar highlight the advanced state of Telugu culture during this period.
@@Apastambha you don’t need to mention the African roots all Homo sapiens are from Africa it’s the other identity the sarasvati river valley identity which needs to be asserted
They equally ignored IIT Kharagpur research,rakhigari excavation and khambat submerged city. So they took facts distorted it and came with challnel like idea so they can proove that Southern indian and northern indians have different ancestries. + Bramhins are more aryan in every part.( Propaganda of bramhical patriarchy)
@@alphaff9939 Read 2022 calendar published by IIT Kharagpur. Rakhigari excavation report.Carbon dating of Bay of khambaat's submerged city. This is only tip of a giant ice burg.
Sanskrit doesn't have its own script where as Tamil as its own script called damili. This video doesn't even mention about the archeological findings of Keezhadi civilization found near Madurai dates back to 2300 Years. Hence investigating the Indian History from the perspective of Tamil literature , Buddhist literature co-relating with archeological findings and Scientific papers are key to understand the facts about indigenous people and their original culture.
He was trying to explain the fundamentals. Speaking of that subject you spoke would be another discussion in itself. Maybe you can ask the content creator to ask the guy to do a topic on that discussion you mentioned.
If the Aryans were in much smaller number against the already well established MiddleEastern Pre-Farmers and Ancient Hunter Gatherers and just migrated in gradually, then they should have been integrated and assimilated in to those two cultures over time! But in reality, that didn't quite happen. They dominated over the then natives and imposed their language, cultures, and belief. Which kind of establishes the Aryan Invasion a fact that with their superior war machineries including the use of horses, tactics, and physical strength, they overpowered the pre-farmers, controlled them and imposed their own language, culture and religious belief. Over time, they also drove out many of these natives including the Ancient Hunter Gathers farther to the South! So, whether some people like it or not, it was an Aryan Invasion, not a Migration to this land!
Kashmiri people , not all of them ,have DNA R1A1A which is DNA of Aryan descent. Kashmiri language , food , culture and dresses are similar to Ukrainian people , the birthplace of Aryan DNA 12,0000 years ago. 10,000 years ago these people started to move to warmer climate to vast plains of Tajikistan , Iran , and India .
Archaeological evidence doesn't support the Aryan invasion theory, as no clear evidence of any military invasion or destruction has been found in the archaeological record of the period in question.
The original indigenous Indian are the dark melanin ones who are discriminated and marginalized and the white Indians are the hybrid ones mixed with Europeans.
@@outofturn331 nah there is a skin color related hierarchy. Only recently there might be some south indians being arrogant about being better educated but thats not to be taken seriously as really educated south indians would not discriminate.
Europeans???? Europe was non existance when steepes migrated to india, modern europeans are mix of steepe and native european hunter gatherer.They aren't steepe
@@binskee677 The skin colour related heierchy exist in every part of the world, even in europe. Northern Europeans discriminates southern ones. So don't blame india only
@@michaeljosephjackson2364I live in the USA. No matter what you say, people will typecast you. I am fairly light skinned, but many people refuse to accept me as Indian because they believe if you are Indian you must be dark skinned. So I am not surprised about your friend.
@@michaeljosephjackson2364it shows that India influenced many different countries and spread Vedic knowledge throughout. Yet is cannot be accepted by the Europeans
Brilliant, thank you. I have peace at last. Ive been following this topic for 20 years...i got so fed up with arguments I stopped trying to understand who was right. Profound appreciations for such clarity. Great presentation, and editing of sooo much information.
Why do Indian deny their forefathers.The Dravidian are and we’re with their cushite brothers in EastAfrica all the way to ancient Egypt.Dravidian story goes that they crossed big ocean to come to India.Cushite and Dravidian started the Cush Indus Valley as its original name is called.The Chaldeans or Cholchian were a branch of cushite.They were dark skin like Dravidian and EastAfricans like Somali and Ethiopian.The Aryans called themselves Arya and Warya and they were pure in religion.Their pure was not colour but they were religious.The only people today calling each other Arya and Warya are the Somali people of Somalia.
What? Hindutva bullshit here would Out Of India Theory, which is explicitly stated as clearly wrong. Even westerners agree that there was very little violence, and more a gentle and slow migration and mixing.
@@RaviShankar-lz7fjsee tye reaserach papers of hapologroups in google search it and see the sample an average Tamil is very much different from a kuruvasnhi of north india cause .see the faces of north india and south india see theire faces are different and the north indians tend to be more shining and light in colour .
What do you mean by DNA of a specific caste? Can DNA classify and stand DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT CASTE? OR DO YOU MEAN SOMETHING DIFFERENT? Would you be able to correct or reverse it at this point? THIS POINT MAY BE CLARIFIED IN YOUR NEXT VIDEOS IN THE FUTURE.
DNA analysis of 70 different groups (castes and jatis) of modern Indians and comparison of that with ancient DNA shows that there was lots of intermixing among the different jatis and castes until 1900 years ago. Then, 1900 years ago, the intermixing stopped, and the situation has *largely* remained like that till the present day. So it does mean that because different jatis and castes have practiced endogamy for 1900 years, there are DNA markers in a jati that are not found elsewhere and vice versa. -navin
@@jamesaron1967individual's DNA didn't change. It mixed with other DNA from other people over generations. And the fact that these DNA sequences existed in people from the other groups proves that it had either no effects at all or no harmful effects at the least. Also, only the successive ones survive and the unhealthy ones are rooted out over generations either way. FYI, most of these genetic markers actually are redundant and have no functions whatsoever.
Brilliantly noted. Middle Eastern is a political construct to ignore the core African DNA in the region or African DNA origin. In this vein, the Middle Eastern migration is the African subsequent migration into all parts of India.
Basically it appears that Africa is only the place where humans first evolved - and spread throughout the world Middle eastern farmer concept is noted as separate from their African ancestor bcz the 60k years in between changed them with visible physical traits, occupation n other behaviours Same holds for Steppes
I am confused. Before this video, I had the understanding of Aryans coming to India. Invasion is more likely, if someone else occupies your land. Migration if they occupy nearby land such that there is no conflict. But this video asserts that it is migration whilst providing proof that it is an invasion. They mentions that the steppe herders (aryans) came without women. Who travels without women other than for war?
Did Indians, Chinese, Italians, Irish people, Polish people, Mexican people, etc. invade America? Heck, why go so far? Did the Gujarati people invade Mumbai? Did the Shettys invade Mumbai? Did the Marwadi people invade Mumbai? A land that invites and welcomes people willingly isn't being invaded. It is being made stronger by the collective strength of the people who settle there and call it their own. You assume that the people of IVC were the "rightful" residents of the the land but how can you forget that they themselves were migrants at some point in time? - Shrikant
@@TheFutureIQThe original people of Indus Kush are the Nubian Kushites who are the Ancient Egyptians who ruled Indus kush for millions upon millions of years Kushites had a highly advanced technological civilization up until the 17th century when the Indo aryans came from the caucas mountains regions invaded annihilated ethnic cleansed the Indegenious Kushites Bantus the remaining Kushites are now called the Siddis who are marginalised and excluded based on the racist cast system brought to Kush renamed India by the Indo aryans renamed Indians modern day Indians Pakistanis Bangladeshi destroyed the Ancient Kushite One world empire In Niger South Africa Cameroon they still speak Tamil
Also he say's that in some areas, ALL the people had Indian FEMALE mtdna, and stepherder MALE dna, because the Stepherde males, "out competed for the Indian females". What a nice way to put it.
Superb content and it throws light on the many misconceptions and wrong theories which was a matter of debate for many decades.. . Great work... looking forward to more content like this..
every single Languages people in India have land inside India. Bengali have Bengal.. rajasthani have rajasthan.. kanndan have kannada Telugu have Telugu. tamilanu have Tamil... 😂😂😂😂😂😂but Sanskrit have invasion theory. only.. no land.. because their came From europe via Kaiper Polen ..
Clear explanations. Bravo. Well done. Plz continue your work. Love from Sri Lanka 😊 Only one question. Since you mentioned the DNA only consists of male DNA. Its clear evidence of an invasion. If its a migration DNA should contain female DNA as well. Or according to your explanations only males had intermarried with ANI ?
1000%!!!! I noticed that too!!! It seems like he's trying to say there was no invason when the Mtdna and the Dna in the people in some parts of India shows there was an invasion!!!
@@khem127 Yeah that's the case . I think because of popular narrative these days people trying to be politically correct. The represent evidence shows there were numerous invasions, according to my understanding I think many Tribes came from the north and settled in Gangetic plain and founded 16 mahajanapadas.People can call it migrations but native people won't welcome outsiders gently. So Aryans had to fight with the locals. They were one of the best archers and horse riders. Warfare is not a new thing for them.
They are telling Britishers are your father and you are simply accepting without any research. Just think once, in these kind of theories why always foreigners are always coming to India and why not Indians were not gone to eastern world. They are just bluffing. Just think this way, if Indians gone to steppeherd world and they given birth to many babies and brought back their babies to India, then also same DNA patterns will come. Ok
@@k.dineshkannana.kesavarama7749😂😂😂 omg...the hate for British is clouding your rational mind... There is no DNA evidence of your theory hence it wasn't the case. Abd ut doesn't make sense for people to migrate somewhere and to come back
@@pari0088 you love Britishers, no problem for me. Have you done any excavation under the oldest cities like Kasi in India, it may reveal our forefathers were not hunter gathers but a highly developed human beings. Excavations in the remote areas will definitely say you are the descendents of hunter gathers. DNA will not reveal the cultural heritage.
Great Video Guys. Loved the historical precision and transparency between the facts and subjectivisms. Although I have one question, I feel like you guys missed on the part where we see early stone age people in south India over 1.5 million years ago ? We have stone tool evidence in Attirampakam, Tamil Nadu from around 1.5 million years which are also the oldest found stone tools in India if I'm not wrong. I wonder where these early stone age people fit into your timeline ? Certainly there is a huge gap between 1.5 Mil years and the first mentioned 65,000 years. Would love to get that gap filled in this history of India timeline. Cheers!
There was a big volcanic eruption (Toba) 74000 years ago, which resulted in ash deposits all over the Indian subcontinent. There's no evidence that any humans in India survived this. As a result, any modern Indians are descended from humans who came after this and anything earlier is prehistory -navin
@@TheFutureIQ Isnt there evidence from archaeological sites in India, such as Jwalapuram in Andhra Pradesh, suggests that human populations were present before, during, and after the Toba eruption ? Stone tools found in the layers of ash indicate continuous human occupation, suggesting that humans did survive the eruption and its aftermath.
It is possible. However, tracking DNA markers indicates that only approximately 10000 humans *worldwide* are supposed have survived the Toba eruption, most of them in Africa. While there are tools found before and after the ash in Jwalapura, no fossils have been found so we just can't be sure. In any case, even if some did survive, they don't appear to have a big impact on the DNA of the later Indians. -navin
Homo Sapiens came to existence around 300,000 years ago. Before that they were primitive humans, probably from other branches of human evolution . All of them extinct due to various reasons. The last known species closest to humans/ Homo Sapiens were Neanderthals and never lived in Indian subcontinent. There for, what you have stated is a false narrative. I don’t think your claim is a pier reviewed genuine research.
I think the male dominance of steppe herders in the North and their overrepresentation in higher casts might also argue for a violent take-over, followed by intermixing, as discussed for the Anglo-Saxon immigration into England. What is your view?
A lot of it is following the right people on social media, and subscribing to the right substacks. Those give initial ideas, which I follow up by reading the relevant research articles on Google scholar or sci-hub or libgen -navin
The IVC was a indigenous,urban civilization with extensive international contact, trade and a sophisticated domestic manufacturing industry. The Iranian hunter gathers are part of the out-of- Africa population that stopped short on Iran. The rest continued on towards India and beyond. So, essentially the hunter gatherers are the same affected by local genetics. The ANI carries the Steppe ancestry. Post 1500bc
I’ve never participated in a “ recent “ DNA study but my husband and I were participants in The National Geographic Genome Project. This study ran for many years before we participated. It was interesting for me to see my mother’s mitochondrial DNA lineage, for this is part of my journey as well. Her line went through The Fertile Crescent, as they were among the first pre-farmers, ( as you so aptly put it ). I have a rare blood type, about 2% of the population of the world ( yet, there are a few rarer ones ), and my DNA is a rare haplogroup with a rare subclade as well. Her distant family ( 45,000 years ago or so ), visited many places over the generations but also settled for a time in India and Pakistan. Your American sister from an ancient other mister. 😉🤓☺️
Meanwhile 9500 years old dwarka underwater be like "sure, sanskrit came from outside", oldest settlements of indus valley civilization 9500 years old be like "yeah sanskrit is surely not from here", rigveda describing saraswati river at its peak about 8000 years ago, be like " yeah man sanskrit aren't from here", Ram setu dating back 7000 to 18400 years be like "of course sanskrit is from europe, king Dasharath was from France didn't you know?", if stupidity had a face I can see it in this video.
Very interesting and informative! Can you please include North-Eastern cultures as well in this account, as that is an interesting part of Indian history often left out.
Unfortunately, the research papers that I used for this video excluded Tibeto-Burman and Austro-Asiatic DNA from their analysis-because they wanted to focus on the larger populations. As a result, unfortunately, Northeast India has been left out of this analysis. I'm sorry about that. I am looking for literature on the DNA of Northeast Indians and if I find enough material, will try to put it up somewhere -navin
what is the evidence of 1. Step -herders' language is a precursor to Sanskrit? Did they write books in steps that they carried? Are these books/inscriptions found in the present steps region? What script did they have? 2. Step-herders' religion being a precursor to Vedic religion?
That part of the video was ridiculous. Steppe herders (barbarians) brought language and religion to a population that had been settled for thousands of years and was more advanced....that doesn't make any sense.
@@loksterization is it not possible at all, that they (steps folks) immigrated and adopted local culture and professions to survive? A Lot of Indian programmers migrate to the US and adopt the American lifestyle. Does that mean they brought programming to the US?? Try to find objective evidence of Sankrit already existing in the steps region. Without that, it is a sloppy argument.
@@loksterization Please post evidence and texts. And how you came to conclusion that they talk about Steps Also, very important! Why steps people don't take about their own place in Sanskrit that they are supposed to have been espoused??
Nice explanation of this complex issue, but I have a minor miffs with their details. 1. The terms ANI and ASI are largely outdated and rarely used today (except in India). David Reich, in his book "Who We Are and How We Got Here" (p. 197), acknowledged that their use was a sort of political compromise in 2008. The more appropriate terms are: a. AASI (Ancestral Ancient South Indians - although it should have been Ancestral Indians, as they were not limited to South India) b. Indus Periphery (a mix of East-Iran-HG-Farmers and AASI) c. Steppe Herders d. Austro-Asiatic (Munda) 2. The presentation also assumes that the Indus Valley people moved to North India first, and then later moved into South India. There is evidence of Indus Valley connections with the Southern Neolithic (3000 BCE) in the Deccan Plateau much earlier than their movement into the lower Gangetic plains after the demise of the IVC. 3. The presentation assumes that Dravidians and AASI are synonymous, which is far from settled. Based on recent genetic and linguistic evidence, it is more likely that Dravidian was one of the dominant languages of the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC) and moved to South India along with pastroagriculturalism. We perhaps lost the pre-Dravidian languages of AASI people, as happened with the other hunter-gatherer languages around the world. 4. Most early Indologists were not particularly religious. The first significant proponent of the Caucasian origin for Indo-European languages was Johann Georg von Hahn, a German linguist and Orientalist. In his 1854 work "Albanesische Studien," Hahn proposed the Caucasus as the homeland of Indo-European languages. His research was scholarly and academic, based on linguistic, geographical, and historical evidence, rather than religious motivations. And with the latest research, his conjectures appear to be prophetic. 5. How did the Steppe population come to dominate language, genes, and culture without the use of force or invasion?
I am confused! So, who were Aryans, Dravidians? Did they exist before these migrations? Or were they born after these migrations? 'Aryan' means those who worship Light or Fire! This word is found in our ancient scriptures. Also what about the Vedic culture? Who brought it? Who were our great Rishis? When and where did they come from? Tons and tons of knowledge from our ancient scriptures were taken away by those travellers who came to "Sone ki Chidia" and took the knowledge abroad! Many questions are not clear!
Brahmin is a Varna/occupational group and the DNA of Brahmins of different regions differ significantly, e.g. the R1a (or Aryan gene) is highest in Northern Brahmins and it decreases considerably as we move down South India. In short, Brahmins aren't a homogenous group.
This video is a must watch for all ultra hindu nationalists , as well as all racist people who claim some unscientific bullshit that supports their world views. Thanks a lot for creating such videos. India is in severe need of scientific thought.
You can't argue with people blinded by their faith. These people have been brainwashed into thinking that their land, people and culture was directly created by god, and has been the same since the beginning of time. This video is simply a lie for them.
According to this man Brahmin s are having steppe DNA then why they were not survived in steppe. This man is sure shot leftist mindset and mixing all scientific studies for his agenda. I.e Nort Indian vs dravidian
Couple of interesting inferences. 1. Stepp herders migrated without women? Or perhaps had strict rule to not have women mix outside of their community? 2. 100 AD is when someone came up with the strict jaati/varna system, which also aligned with approximate dating of Manu Smriti.
1. Okay, that's an interesting perspective! My personal hypothesis is that it was probably migration in search of a better life - education, trading, work, etc. You know, similar to how people from rural areas migrate to urban locations? Or people from the global south migrate to the developed nations? But your theory of women being *made* to stay behind also meshes well with a (possibly) patriarchical society. Hmm, will have to look more into it! Thanks for the food for thought! :) 2. Yeah, that's sounds about right. Our hypothesis is that both - the rigidity of caste/jaati/varna and the documentation of it via the Manusmriti - may have begun happening around the same time. One fed the other, which fed back into the first, creating a feedback loop that strengthened a vague, loose concept into a rigid principle. Hypothesis, of course! :) - Shrikant
No one knows who the Aryans were. The word Aryan is recorded in text, two times in history-on the grave of Darius where it was written “I am an Aryan” and in the Vedas. That means the Aryans had a connection to Persia and India. There is no evidence that shows that they could have been from anywhere else.
Why do you say Indian origin and not north indian? Because people speaking dravid language, the central indian tribes like mundari language and of course North East Indians except the Assamese people? Like the white Brits you too want to show that the fairer north indians are original indian.
Wild animals. As far as we know, all humans originated from Africa, and the ancient hunter gatherers were the first group of people that came to the Indian subcontinent.
Very informative. DNA is such a treasure trove. Really impressed with the amount of information we can get out of this. Adds a whole new dimension to the study of history. Hope they can find new dna samples from more individuals and expand on the study. Thanks for sharing.
Calling the original peoples as hunter gathers insinuates they are primitive. There’s evidence that Tamil is one of the oldest languages, and civilizations in South India for much longer than people realize, and cave art in Maharashtra that is even older than any of this. It could be that the “Hunter Gatherers” founded civilization in India, and their wealth drew immigrants in constant flows from the Middle East.
@@sathishvijayan2160 Hunter gatherer isnt a ‘primitive’ term. Its just a way of life. That makes it no more or less primitive than agriculturists, lets say. Hunting and gathering food is the common way of living for almost every animal. There still are many tribes across the world which depend not on agriculture but on hunting, they have survived through just as many thousands of years as have the agriculturists, it is just as valid as any other mode of living. They have just as rich a culture and tradition. Hunting-gathering doesnt make them more or less of a developed human, thats just the pov of people who think of themselves as superior, living in a ‘developed’ world.
@Namse21 ok so your ancestors might be hunter gatherers,ours were exploring the origin of the universe and writing the Vedas but not hunting and gathering
@@AJJYTHEGREAT ok? great? you think thats a diss??? even the ‘writers of the vedas’ and the PIEs had ancestors that were hunting gathering based. The first human species were hunter gatherers and even our species was hunter gatherer for majority of its span here on earth. (homo sapiens evolved around 250k years ago and agriculture was invented 12k years ago, so yeah for 230-240k years, every human was hunter-gatherer.)
My grandfather used to tell us stories about how a sheep hurder came with his sheep down in the valley to feed them and married there. There were two peoples pastoral and agrar
It's the same for Native American. My 2 DNA (2015 & 2023) have no genetic markers for Asian or Siberian. 100% Navajo. Some Christian faiths believe we are the lost tribe of Isreal. Or that we were introduced to Judaism before colonial. And that Jesus came to the Americas to teach us Christianity during the 3 days after his death. 😂
we have evidences which predates Both Aryan migration theory and AIT. And I didn't talk about OIT in first place. UP findings near IVC unearthed Chariots, helmets, Swords etc tracks back to 2000 BCE or More. Which predates All the migration hypothesis.
Incorrect, the UP findings(Sinauli chariot) is dated to 1900 bce and has a cart (not a spoked wheeled chariot like the aryans) Even then, 1900 falls in line with the Aryan migration (starting around 2000 bce) and they could’ve been early central Asian immigrants before spoked wheeled and horse chariots were created
NO, its is Dated 2000 BC in upper bonds and UP findings are not only evidence we have.. Study done by US,ohio uni of human sciences and IIT, ASI shows NO evidence of a migration coming to indian subcontinent OVER 8000 year SPAN
@@vipassana123 NO, its is Dated 2000 BC in upper bonds and UP findings are not only evidence we have.. Study done by US,ohio uni of human sciences and IIT, ASI shows NO evidence of a migration coming to indian subcontinent OVER 8000 year SPAN
@@vipassana123 NO, its is Dated 2000 BC in upper bonds and UP findings are not only evidence we have.. Study done by US,ohio uni of human sciences and IIT, ASI shows NO evidence of a migration coming to indian subcontinent OVER 8000 year SPAN
Question?? Are Middle Eastern pre- farmers and Steppe Herders also a mix of their local Ancient Hunter Gatherers who initially migrated out of Africa some 65000 yrs ago spreading globally. If so, with Whom ?? Did the Ancient Hunter Gatherers mix with in those locations ( outside india) and where did those local populations come from ?? If there were no original local populations,Is it that geography/ latitude location, changed the phenotype of Ancient Hunter Gatherers?? To allow for distinct middle eastern and steppe type of people?? Humans phenotype seem to be a a repeat of old wine in new bottle💥🤩
The thing is that every one came from one thing that is sanatan that is called as jambudweep wich is now termed as pangea that's why there is one sloka in sanatan scripture vasudeva kutumbukam which means whole world is like a one family
The timing of the migration are very different, the African hunter gather moved to India 65000 years ago, while the others were less than 5 thousand years ago. The African race in Africa is very different from the hunter gatherer that settled in the Indian sub continent. Both of them have had more than 40000 years to evolve seperately.
There has always been a tendency for usurpers, outsiders in any area, to claim that they always lived there, specially with small abodes and shops! Obviously they have been planted there by big goons! Supported by corrupt officials!
Those people that are referred to as steppe people was actually scythians who originated from Siberia and went west all the way to Germany and France definitely not Caucasian
What a joke...kindly publish who funded these research. Wonderful how people in India always remained hunter gatherers but migrants are innovative. One can concoct similar stories for Hindu migration theory as well
good video!! a Doubt how can saraswati be mentioned in the vedas,when the steppes came around 1800 BCE..Does the vedas were really written around 1500bce as said by many British indologists...generally many people who work on date of vedas consider it to be around 14k old ...?
Vedas is made in India and not anywhere written or proved it is made by aryans so it is possible vedas knowledge is very old than aryans and come from indus faith
thats why many historians says that a large part of vedas might been compiled around indus valley civilization either through the oral traditions or in some proto Sanskrit language. But Indian left with western marxist historians want to keep it on 3500 BC so thay can claim everything in India is from central asia
Buddies,concat lot of stories just like their Ramayana and Mahabharata which roots back to greece.since the time of immemorial only thing Brahmins have is story telling
As I watched numerous videos on this subject, I gathered that there were three distint sources of the Indian DNA as explained here. But sadly, I didn’t find a video that corraborated my inferences until this one. Most of the videos I saw earlier seem to push one narrative over the other. This seems most unbiased and scientific and yet explained very simply. Thank you gentlemen for presenting this so beautifully.
It's totally flawed video the research paper he's talking about is cell name and the thing is that the authors of that paper are now changed much of their opinion
The thing is that every one came from one thing that is sanatan that is called as jambudweep wich is now termed as pangea that's why there is one sloka in sanatan scripture vasudeva kutumbukam which means whole world is like a one family
Fairly decent video. I understand why you still used antiquated terms such as Aryan so Indians will understand. I am not sure about the basis in which you claim pottery style went from India to westwards. It is because of the fact that PiE people in India was low in percentage but still used religion to be on the top, we say that Indian Caste system was the true Apartheid system. From your video it is clear that the caste system solidified around 100 CE which corresponds to the time when modern Bhakti based Hinduism took roots under the rule of kings such as Guptas People should also realize that many other westerners came to India between 500 BCe to 100 CE
The real Indians are the dravidians in south India because there were less invaders there. The Ayrans were invaders to the Indus Valley and they stayed.. The northern part of India has had so many invaders which is why the shades of Indians differs so much. Just like in the Philippines the real indigenous peoples are very dark but they have a mix of races. The Australian aborigines are of Indian descent and per DNA studies they migrated to Australia.
Max Muller came from Germany. He was a scholar at Oxford and his subject was Sanskrit. We have Max Mueller Bhavan all over India which is promoting German language and not Sanskrit. He never came to India.
While I agree it is good to know where we came from for the knowledge of history and how humanity evolved, I think it is more important to know what are our current values, beliefs and what we stand for in our lives, how we treat each other, and how and what we can do to make each other's lives easier and better.
You uploaded this just yesterday and the video has already crossed 14k views. Is it because of the topic of the video, or as Navin sir explained, just the effect of compounding ?
Bit of column A and bit of column B. The topic of the video was definitely a factor but the UA-cam algorithm also recognized that we have been creating content regularly and (my hypothesis is that) it may have decided to 'boost' our episode a little bit... Thank you for noticing this little quirk - very impressive! :) - Shrikant
Completely missed mongoloid DNA strains which is almost 60-70% of Eastern part - beyond bihar - towards east Also the tribals in all regions - extreme north also have no stepper so how cam we say north inda- as identifying. Another fact is that there is no evidence of any vedic type of religions development, not language , religions development similar to what developed here 4000-5000 years back upto 500AD But there is evidence of pagan goes and rituals and praying in excavations dated 15000 years back in Indian subcontinent (even tples as old as 4000 years back in southern region )& across all regions So that also debunks this claim by thia professor that religion was bought by stepper herders , no way , and it seems that thus stepper herder was very miniscule compared to DNA mixing of mongoloid races over times between 5000 BC to 1000AD By giving more weightage that stepper herder instead of.mongoloid is biggest lacuna of this thesies , I am amazed that so many genetic beginners could have missed the mongoloid races strain ?? It would give a whole different genetic pattern for almost 40 percent of eastern indian population ancestry. Big loophole in this talk by the professor - Further genetic evidence of keezhadi excavations have proved that there was no entering of any races for last 15,000 years So a whole lot of portion of what thia professor is saying doesn't not gel at all !! 15,000 years - no race pool entered this subcontinent Period ! ( pun intended ) So itt also.means the same people developed farming Same.people developed religion Same peoplel.developed culture From 15000 years Those who came.came before that hence No chance of any major difference in so called ANI - ASI Send to be another attempt to hogwash the public Stepper gatherers from.unkraine indeed !!😂😂😂 I bet the contribution of this extra strand of DNA in the research music have been by Indian researchers They just cant keep away from tha blonde hair , white skin blue eyes DNA 😂😂😂😂😂
we have evidences which predates Both Aryan migration theory and AIT. And I didn't talk about OIT in first place. UP findings near IVC unearthed Chariots, helmets, Swords etc tracks back to 2000 BCE or More. Which predates All the migration hypothesis. The Gap between Sanskrit and The proposed migration, No archeological evidence of migration/invasion, Theory id 87% Based on Language words "matches" And not on Archeological. And pre vedic Tools, pottery styles were Already Found in IVC way before 2300 BC. Lastly Researches Done by IIT and Other anthropological units internations Found Cultural contiunity rather than migration
Another question that affects us till this day. There apparently was a quite efficient sewage system in the Indus valley civilization. What happened to that knowledge? It hasn't seemed to have passes down the generations.
Oh yes, an interesting question. But that is not just for drainage system. The finesse in pottery also faced a deterioration and decline. With the river systems drying up, the economy also must have been declining, which meant people gave preference to basic survival skills over technology. Also, the IVC population migrations towards east and south lasted hundreds of years. A migrating population can not build a robust drainage system (an assumption, can be blatantly wrong). Additionally, the archaeological work in the Ganga-Yamuna doab region has been pretty recent compared to the primary IVC sites like Harrappa and Lothal, which is almost 200 years old. We don't really know what is in store for us.
It doesn't work that way. By that logic all our generation should have the knowledge stored in nalanda which was destroyed ,but do we have that? Technological knowledge always remains within few technitians only
That is true: a lot of IVC knowledge died with them. We don't know for sure why/how that happened. One plausible theory I've heard is that their civilization/knowledge depended on being able to grow crops in abundance in the fertile Indus valley. When the water in the rivers dried up, they couldn't keep it up. Some people tried desperately to live there while others migrated. The former slowly died out. The latter reached the Ganga valley: however, the rains and soil here were very different from the rain/soil in the Indus Valley, so their techniques didn't work as well initially. As a result they didn't have enough surplus grains and they couldn't sustain tje large population of people needed to build and maintain their cities and sewage systems and other things. This continued for many generations and the knowledge was lost. Slowly, over time, they managed to figure out how to get their crops working in the new location, but by this time, the knowledge was gone. Sounds plausible, but this is not necessarily a very strongly supported theory (yet) -navin
After that few cunning people invent caste system which based on birth and too because of previous lives karma shits..And then what no need for any inventions..peoples were assigned with all the menial cleaning and hard working jobs.
I been running into it suddenly recently and then had this in my watch later for like a month. God is always answering my true heart, when I let go of ego.
4:56 correction. This country was not on any map, and there was no nation, no language. The alphabet is half cirylic half latin, the spoken language is made of all the surrounding languages, manly russian and polish. The name of the synthetic "country" literally means a cut-off piece of land between 2 strong countries. It gained land for itself because of a certain politician, who was a khazarian zionist and even now nobody can figure out why he did that, altho there are theories.
Books mentioned in the episode:
White Man's Burdon: tapthe.link/WhiteMansBurdonBook
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Since you are educators, please, please check your typos. It's "White Man's Burden," not "BURDON."
Didn’t talk about Tamil language. He must be an Aryan.
@@lawrencerichards4073 😅Maybe he didn't wanna talk about natives but rather what came in
Didn't speak about Vagesh Narasimhan research.
Totally bogus guys, they literally connected it back to white man’s story. As per white man’s story those people in Middle East came from caucuses. Their timelines also match up. Lot more respect to those creators who publish silly shorts & tiktoks.
I am Indonesian, but the test results show that my DNA comes from China, India, and Australasia. So, not only did we import the 3 major religions, sanskrit alphabets, rice, weaving technology, temple architecture, cooking spices, etc. from India, but also our phenotypes and genotypes were also partially inherited from India. Thank you for everything :))
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I think you meant Tamil. Most east Asian languages are inspired from Tamil script and not Sanskrit. Sanskrit has more ties with Arabic and some European languages but not south east Asian languages.
@@zachbercu3230 Of course there is Tamil influence in Indonesia, and some believe that the influence of Tamil culture is more dominant. One of the arguments is because there is a story about the Tamil version of the Rama-Shinta story matched with Indonesian version. Even in the earliest Indian epic, the Ramayana, Sugriva, the head of Rama's army, is recorded as sending his men to Yawadvipa, the island of Java, to look for Sita. ha ha ha...
Also according to the ancient Tamil manuscript Manimekalai, Java had a kingdom with a capital called Nagapuram. After all, South Indian culture spread widely since the Pallava dynasty from South India in the 4th century.
But there are also many records that show that merchants from Gujarat came to Indonesia to trade and spread Islam here, so that in the end our nation experienced mass apostasy for the third time by Indians. Aha ha ha...
@@zachbercu3230 Arabic is not similar to sanskrit at all. It's a semetic Language. And Indonesia has a huge sanskrit influence
@@ananymouse3988 The word india came from Indus river, Arabs were non existent when India was florishing in ancient times
Not Aryan invasion, its Aryan immigration
who cares that was migration or invasion?
the important thing is they come from steppe eastern europe >
@@user_18789 Actually it makes lot of difference.
@@vivekthekk
So it is better to get to know the reality
Because it was Invasion, not immigration
Because they replaced both their language and their religion
We see this from the mistreatment of the lower castes by the upper castes and the denigration of blacks by the Rig Veda(that writed by aryans).
When the other indo european steppe herders entered western Europe, they did not leave a single male farmer alive
and Aryans are their cousins and barbarism is in their blood!!!
they entered India without their female population
As you know, when a population goes somewhere without its female population (like the Mongols), it means that they go for war or looting.
How is it possible for them to enter India without their famale population and not have a conflict with the native people over their women?
Do you think that the Aryans entered India and the people of the Indus Valley welcomed them with flowers and sweets?
NO
Genetics shows that the Aryans killed about 70% or more of the indigenous people of the Indus Valley and raped their women
this is normal for bronz age
even mongols destroyed central asia and its Iranic population killed 15 million people with high amount of aryan genetic and replaced them with turco_mongols
Only 5% of Tajiks survived and fled to the mountains
history maybe be sad but anyone can"t run away from it.......
@@user_18789 Yes Tajikistan - very fascinating indeed!! They did have chariots though and the males spread into the females. So while they didn't have domination by numbers they did dominate in terms of technology and breeding. I think the endogamous caste system by 100 A.D. is more a product of literacy having spread since literacy is left-brain dominant as ideology that gets passed on generation to generation. This is known as religion of course.
@@user_18789 As far as i know on this, the aryans immigrated in multiple batches, lived with local population, slowly understood the way to survive in Indian land. And their survival strategy is really cunning. Get the support of the power from king. develop and spread the idealogy of Varnas, Dont work, dont do farming, dont trade via sea (as it is even dangerous), basically dont risk life for anything and at the same time, get everything by making others work for them. Even at the time of war defeats, they made a strategy that they cannot be killed. So, all the track of Aryans shows no blood dropping, apply a cruel mind for survival. And to the surprise their idealogy is still in practise for a successfull 2000+ years. They used religion as a big tool. injected self biased ideas into the religion which works in 21st century as well. for ex:only Bhramins can be temple priest, wedding happens with their approvals, even PM of a country fall on their foot. etc etc.
The First human being 1,82,000 years ago from Ethiopia (Africa) we all are brothers and sisters
You have to account for the lost information and technology 40k years ago. But African and Asian cultures did meet in India as a trading hub.
@@genkideguire bro india is part of America, Africa and Australia, indian subcontinent is not whole land it's a part of many land, india has rich cultural and language like Tamil, even trading but that's one of part, Evan they have oldest Archeological proof before 75000 years ago But all are migrants from Africa not only whole world people start their migrants roots from Africa., And i am not from Africa, i am also from india, we should talk about truth., Thank you
So we are all a product of incest ? 😂😂😂
@@user-fl4nw3ub7bunfortunately some people are still at the amoebic level, as per your statement.
No no indian have nothing to do with Afrika
There's no such thing as Pure Race and Pure Language.
There is. Andamanese Sentalese Tribes are Pure Ancient Hunter Gatherers 100% with no DNA input from outside. They're true indian in genetic sense
Tamil is pure language with out any language can stand
Tamizh has
@@RasimillionTamil/Tamizh like every other language in existence, has evolved and will continue evolving with every generation. No language is immune to evolution. A language can evolve slowly or fast depending on several factors but it has to evolve. Tamil has evolved from proto-dravidian just like the indo european languages have evolved from proto-indoeuropean and chinese langauges from proto-sinotibetian.
@@Rasimilliondravidians migrated from one part of the african continent around 6000 to 8000 bce. if tamil originated in southern part of indian subcontinent then what was the language they used to speak when they migrated to south india from africa?
a language can't be formed on its own out of nowhere without from the previous language.
so if you're right then dravidians might have stopped speaking their previous language and directly made a new language (tamil) out of nowhere and labeled it as pure language? how ironic?
I am from Kerala and I did a 23andMe DNA test. It says the maternal DNA from my mother is haplogroup L and 65000 years the ancient people left the horn of Africa and entered the area of current day Yemen. It later became M2 and the ancients entered northern part of India 40000 years ago. From there, they traveled along the coast and reached South India. The paternal DNA from my father is haplogroup A. 76000 years ago they entered the area of current day Iran. That became haplogroup L-M20 and they entered the northern part of India 48000 years ago.
Very interesting! Thanks for this information! :)
- Shrikant
@@TheFutureIQ Thanks so much Mr. Shrikant!!
Pretty accurate all human started In horn Africa somalia and Ethiopia.
Many South Indians I see are darker than American blacks
Test എവിടുന്നാ എടുത്തേ??
Are they afraid to call the "ancient hunters and gathers" Africans because of Indian prejudice? What do you think?
I actually agree. Hes does say african towards the end
Those are the Dravidians.
And they were caucasian in the animation too 😂
Africans came 65000 years ago and the hunder gatherers came after 10000 years... both of them are different...
I am South Indian (75% Tamil - 25% Telugu) and I already know that I'm a Dravidian for a long time. Albeit born, raised and living 4 generations away from the Indian sub-continent, I believe I could still share my opinion. I have read of the Aryan invasions (I did believe it until I have a clearer understanding watching this upload) but I have in the last 8-9 years always acknowledge the FACT we Tamil people were originally from Africa.
The prejudice is real!! ... even if one is raised outside India but it's not all black and white as you think, there are so many shades in between. For those ultra orthodox Hindus it's more about caste system and religion. .. But then,, even if you are from the same caste.. the last lingering issue would be - skin color!
90% of my society (in the country I live in now) don't believe in that anymore. Bad news.. the same 90% possibly do NOT KNOW much about DNAs, real time history and NOT we originally are Africans. I'm lighter colored and have relatives like me marrying either ultra light skin color and also absolute darkish skin color from different castes.. Why? Because we have learnt that a bird of feathers flock together only intellectually but NOT from understanding of our African black history last 70k years,
When I personally highlight this to my orthodox family that still believe "" IT IS US WHO BROUGHT LANGUAGE, CIVILIZATION etc.. TO OUTSIDE NATIONS!! They frown with the "WHY?!1? BECAUSE THE WHITE MAN SAID SO??? ""
It is in my own opinion again that one's religion itself plays the whole brainwash... " my way or highway..." doesn't matter that what creed, religion,, skin ,, nationality..civilization..
Having said, most Indians I know today don't really care about skin color these days. But if you are going to say things like .. ' HELOOWWW!! like we all were once from the African continent 70k years go and we moved here and fact that we are originally hunter gathering black people from Africa ....etc..etc... Damn!! definitely my people are NOT ready for it.
Okay! In my opinion, we are here, we belong here, we should all live together, no matter the caste,creed or gender.
That was how it was, till the Ariyan migration happened!
@@urbanmonkNH44 we have evidences which predates Both Aryan migration theory and AIT. And I didn't talk about OIT in first place. UP findings near IVC unearthed Chariots, helmets, Swords etc tracks back to 2000 BCE or More. Which predates All the migration hypothesis.
@@urbanmonkNH44 WHo told you? Yourself?
@@urbanmonkNH44 and Study done by US,ohio uni of human sciences and IIT, ASI shows NO evidence of a migration coming to indian subcontinent OVER 8000 year SPAN
@@CHRS-ri5mfBut DNA evidences says otherwise.
AASI is the original inhabitants.
They mixed with people who came from Zagros mountains to create IVC. IVC started its decline by 1900 BC, and the Aryans or the Steppe Hearders arrived in 1800 BC.
The Sinnouli artifacts shows similarities with both late Harappan (IVC) and Vedic culture.
It may be better to separate the IVC and the Ganga-Jamuna culture and Sinouli is part of the second.
I'm from Punjab and my ancestry DNA analysis says 78% Central Asia-South, 19% North India and 3% South India. The 3% South India is quite strong as I love Dosa and Rajnikant movies. :)
They're not going to list Aryan on a DNA
Jats were Central Asians or Anatolians who settled in india during indo Greek wars or hunnic period
So I guess you're a Jatt that's why you have central asian dna
Are you forgetting about the Armenian/Aryan/@@TheGeoChronicles
From where did you get your test done ?
And is the service available in India ?
They are based on recent genetics. Originally my results showed 3% Persian DNA and 47% North indian (I am half indian). Now it has been changed to 10% South Indian and 40% North Indian. So you can see the ancient Iranian lineage is now considered a founder effect and has been changed to being indian DNA in my current results.
He said aryans who came from Europe but he didn’t say dravidians who came from Africa. 🤦🏾♂️ I peep game.
Peeped that too
The Aryans did not come from Europe. The White man is from the Middle East. Dravidians are not African.
Drividians is not affrican he is group of multiple dna who come acrosh of Asia and stable in india ( that's why drividians are first Indian)
@MrAmhara Dravidians did move from Africa. But they kept on building colonies throughout the coast of the middle-east until they reached India. But it took them thousand years to migrate. But in the meantime, they kept on mixing through each colony they created. Hence, why the Dravidians dont completely share African DNA. They were mixing a lot throughout their journey.
Quit projecting
Technically, North Indians and South Indians share the same ancient hunter-gatherer ancestry from mother side, with about 80% of our DNA in common and only a 20% difference due to steppe ancestry, though the percentage of steppe ancestry can vary among different castes. we are brothers.
So true. Ram Ram from Sonipat. ❤
But what about the prehistoric dna found in Chennai
@@MyCosmicQuest They are the pure hunter gatherers who left Africa 65,000 years ago & settle in Asia. They migrated all the way to Sri Lanka. They were in Sri Lanka by 50,000 years ago. The oldest human remains found in Sri Lanka is 48,000 years old, which is called Balangoda Man as the remains found in a cave Balangoda area.
The Sri Lankan aboriginal people called "Vedda people" still live in Sri Lankan jungles, are the descendens from those who came here 50,000 years ago. The aboriginals live in North Sentinel islands (Andaman Islands) are also the same people.
Only males migrated here as Aryans ……
@@reachingthestars8652😂 south india different look appearance and people intelligence
India has been attacked by many outside armies and conquered, but over time, the conquerors were themselves overwhelmed by india's knowledge and way of life. In the end, the agressors were conquered intellectually. That is why india has survived
Whoever came here accepted india as their own country except muslims. How much ever they live here in harmony, they always think arab and pakistan as their own country
What about the domination of modern India by the step herder (Brahman) DNA and their exploitation of the hunter gatherers even today in the form of RSS, BJP? Wake up! Islam is not the enemy, the CAST system is the biggest enemy of India! No wonder BJP is weak in the south
The same has happened to Iran. I don't think any region has been attacked as many times as Iran. But, eventually, all those invaders became Persianized!
@@yesu814 pakistan itself part of india ,given to them by indians
Lolz. When outsiders come they bring their own culture knowledge wisdom and traditions. So the land becomes a melting pot of different cultures and races. Like many so called Indian foods are actually from Arab Iran Turkey and central Asia.
As an Indian I think you should not be blinded by Indian nationalism or pride. There is some truth to this.
Definitely a mix of two civilizations and then a mix of more.
The White man was correct. Sanskrit is not alien to India. The Dravidian languages are older and native to India.
It's Tamils not Dravida
The oldest known Indo-European language is not from the Caucuses but from modern day. Turkey. The “Hittite“ language. Northern Indians even look like dark skinned White people. lol
Aryan Refugee Theory : ART
Whether you are deemed a migrant or a refugee depends on what (or rather, how much) you bring with you... ;)
-Shrikant
@@TheFutureIQnon material stuff right..
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Most indo european groups spread their genes by their men (and we all know what that means globally-not very consensual love making)
Interestingly most indo european invasions were extremely brutal and genocidal to the point where new populations were pretty homogenus which makes me think that it was indeed an invasion but that the pre herder mix were EXTREMELY resilient
Those refugees created India
I see a lot of comments bashing the video, but I just wanna say great content yall. I'm in no position to say how well researched this is, but I really love the way you presented your ideas. Hope you keep making content like this. Subbed+1
Thank you! Seeing comments like this does help
-navin
Tamil had letters but Sanskrit had not been written language before Gupta period! Why?
So Indians were Black for 60,000 years, up until about 6k years ago. Ok, got it. Tell us something I do t know.
well in the south and central part of india there's still a lot of black DNA left haha
@@samuraijosh1595 I know this.
lol we waz kangz ngga
@@AnnHexTheCryptoSpace we wuz whiet aryan Egyptian godz, building pyramids in the scorchin dezert but not europa🤷🏾♂️
@@billiondollarbaby973 not only Indians, the whole world has spread from Africa originally
All indians are mixed by DNA 🧬
That's why all are one
Tamizh is not like that
@@kavithagovindaraj7531 who is tamizh??
@@SpecialGlobalTalks tamil speaking people
Yeah outsider came and mix with natives and spread they caste based religion with native people god and created stories on it
@@ripsanskrit3609 there is no any native in India all are come from outside
Interesting how they leave the African out of “ancient hunter gatherer” DNA and Middle eastern DNA. 😊
I have seen many people from India with darker skin; I believe you have a lot of African-origin DNA. You did not mention the African Black race.
🤦 in case that all people would be african - the population in africa has also changed - & So the initial population that left africa are the ancesters of all three populations the study mentions make up the genetics of the people in the asian subcontinent.
For one, I don't believe Noah's Ark is anywhere near the Caucus mountains. If they journeyed from the East back to Babylon, then the Ark would have had to land on a high mountain range such as the Hindu Kush.
@@thelastshallbefirst6531 you right. 8 ppl spread around the World and started new civilization? Nonsense.
I believe Dravidians which are the darker skin Indians are the ones who arrived in Indian.
Per the Bible, a man named Elam. The Caucasians (Pursians/Iranians) came into Iran and India. In the bible, there is a story about the Pursians and Meades. At the end of the day, no matter where you come from, you are an awesome people.
British slowly invaded India like the Aryan
Gentlemen, the root gene is Harrapan - All Indians were descents of Africa/Harappa. Please do not bring the same old story created by Europeans. The old Greek stories were based on Bharat glory. I recently found that Telugu is derived from Prakri and has Brahmi script in 3rd century BCE. However, our own people put off the archeological evidences from Bhattiprolu, inscriptions on temple walls. Some bad Pallavans destroyed Telugu culture. The great Sulabha sutra composer in 800 BCE, Apastambha was supposed to be from Godavari area of Andhra. Please do not bring north & south difference. This divide and rule is British!
Well said, uncle
The only positive comment here
Your perspective highlights the deep historical connections and cultural heritage of the Indian subcontinent, particularly emphasizing the significance of the Harappan civilization and the Telugu language.
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The root gene of Indian civilization can be traced back to the Harappan civilization, with a significant lineage linking all Indians to ancient migrations from Africa. This narrative challenges the simplistic historical accounts often propagated by European scholars. The grandeur of Bharat (India) is reflected in ancient Greek writings, which were deeply influenced by the rich culture and achievements of the Indian subcontinent.
Telugu, a prominent Dravidian language, is believed to have evolved from Prakrit, with historical roots that include inscriptions and literary evidence dating back to the 3rd century BCE, particularly the Brahmi script seen in archeological finds at Bhattiprolu. This site is crucial for understanding the early development of Telugu and its literary traditions.
Unfortunately, much of this archaeological evidence has been overlooked or dismissed by contemporary scholars. The destruction of Telugu cultural heritage can be attributed to various historical forces, including the Pallava dynasty, which, while contributing to the region's architectural and artistic developments, also led to the dilution of local traditions.
The Sulabha Sutra, attributed to the renowned scholar Apastambha, who is believed to have hailed from the Godavari region of Andhra Pradesh around 800 BCE, is a testament to the intellectual richness of the time. His contributions to philosophy and grammar highlight the advanced state of Telugu culture during this period.
@@Apastambha you don’t need to mention the African roots all Homo sapiens are from Africa it’s the other identity the sarasvati river valley identity which needs to be asserted
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Why don't you invite Neeraj Atri sir who has published research papers on this topic with scientific and genetic evidence?
They equally ignored IIT Kharagpur research,rakhigari excavation and khambat submerged city.
So they took facts distorted it and came with challnel like idea so they can proove that Southern indian and northern indians have different ancestries. + Bramhins are more aryan in every part.( Propaganda of bramhical patriarchy)
@@priyamtamrakar6035ok tell us what evidence do you people have ?
@@alphaff9939proof is that savarkar himself believed that brahmins are outsiders
They said North indians and South indians have same ancestry, but with different proportions@@priyamtamrakar6035
@@alphaff9939 Read 2022 calendar published by IIT Kharagpur.
Rakhigari excavation report.Carbon dating of Bay of khambaat's submerged city. This is only tip of a giant ice burg.
Sanskrit doesn't have its own script where as Tamil as its own script called damili. This video doesn't even mention about the archeological findings of Keezhadi civilization found near Madurai dates back to 2300 Years. Hence investigating the Indian History from the perspective of Tamil literature , Buddhist literature co-relating with archeological findings and Scientific papers are key to understand the facts about indigenous people and their original culture.
He was trying to explain the fundamentals. Speaking of that subject you spoke would be another discussion in itself. Maybe you can ask the content creator to ask the guy to do a topic on that discussion you mentioned.
Sanskrit had its earlier writing system… bhrami etc.
Yup sanskari is purified by Buddhist hybrid sanskari (B.H.S)
@@ThaisDaRosa-r8o it's not brahmi is bhambhi
@@Vshoko_youtubeBudha was not even born that time nor baudh religion 😁😁😁😁😁
It was only Sanatan Dharm ☺️😊😚😘🥰
If the Aryans were in much smaller number against the already well established MiddleEastern Pre-Farmers and Ancient Hunter Gatherers and just migrated in gradually, then they should have been integrated and assimilated in to those two cultures over time! But in reality, that didn't quite happen. They dominated over the then natives and imposed their language, cultures, and belief. Which kind of establishes the Aryan Invasion a fact that with their superior war machineries including the use of horses, tactics, and physical strength, they overpowered the pre-farmers, controlled them and imposed their own language, culture and religious belief. Over time, they also drove out many of these natives including the Ancient Hunter Gathers farther to the South!
So, whether some people like it or not, it was an Aryan Invasion, not a Migration to this land!
Yes, and I'm guessing it's not politically correct for some reason.
Yeah, And it's normal it happens everywhere. We should accept it.
Kashmiri people , not all of them ,have DNA R1A1A which is DNA of Aryan descent.
Kashmiri language , food , culture and dresses are similar to Ukrainian people , the birthplace of Aryan DNA 12,0000 years ago.
10,000 years ago these people started to move to warmer climate to vast plains of Tajikistan , Iran , and India .
Very good analysis and very informative way of explaining with full engaged.😊
Archaeological evidence doesn't support the Aryan invasion theory, as no clear evidence of any military invasion or destruction has been found in the archaeological record of the period in question.
Invasion wasn't even there it's used as a strawman by hindutuvaddis
Genetic evidence proves otherwise
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br lol,Aarya means a Sanskrit word which means skilled or respectable one.Dont know how idiots think it is not related to Bhaarat 😂
It's more of a migration theory. There is genetical/ linguistic data backing it
@@tomorrow. Migration keep happening all the time in all over the world. It should not be overhyped as FOREIGN gene or something
So, if people came to India and mixed with the local people, who are the original local people?
The original indigenous Indian are the dark melanin ones who are discriminated and marginalized and the white Indians are the hybrid ones mixed with Europeans.
Every Indian discriminates "others"
@@outofturn331 nah there is a skin color related hierarchy. Only recently there might be some south indians being arrogant about being better educated but thats not to be taken seriously as really educated south indians would not discriminate.
Europeans???? Europe was non existance when steepes migrated to india, modern europeans are mix of steepe and native european hunter gatherer.They aren't steepe
@@binskee677 The skin colour related heierchy exist in every part of the world, even in europe. Northern Europeans discriminates southern ones. So don't blame india only
@@stephanatlas5331 dont go off topic I’m specifically mentioning what goes on in the deep root of India societies and it’s a fact!
In America they thought I was Spaniol. In India, Persian. I Malaysia, Punjabi.
My north eastern friend said no one believed in usa that he was indian
He was mistook as korean
@@michaeljosephjackson2364I live in the USA. No matter what you say, people will typecast you. I am fairly light skinned, but many people refuse to accept me as Indian because they believe if you are Indian you must be dark skinned. So I am not surprised about your friend.
@@michaeljosephjackson2364it shows that India influenced many different countries and spread Vedic knowledge throughout. Yet is cannot be accepted by the Europeans
@@AnnaJohnson-e7uVeda has knowledge?😂😂😂😂
Brilliant, thank you. I have peace at last.
Ive been following this topic for 20 years...i got so fed up with arguments I stopped trying to understand who was right. Profound appreciations for such clarity. Great presentation, and editing of sooo much information.
Thank you for the kind words
-navin
Why do Indian deny their forefathers.The Dravidian are and we’re with their cushite brothers in EastAfrica all the way to ancient Egypt.Dravidian story goes that they crossed big ocean to come to India.Cushite and Dravidian started the Cush Indus Valley as its original name is called.The Chaldeans or Cholchian were a branch of cushite.They were dark skin like Dravidian and EastAfricans like Somali and Ethiopian.The Aryans called themselves Arya and Warya and they were pure in religion.Their pure was not colour but they were religious.The only people today calling each other Arya and Warya are the Somali people of Somalia.
He is distorting evidence to prove his Hindutva 😅bullshit
i see no hindutva is happy with what he say
What? Hindutva bullshit here would Out Of India Theory, which is explicitly stated as clearly wrong. Even westerners agree that there was very little violence, and more a gentle and slow migration and mixing.
can you please give the links of the researches and references you used to arrive at this conclusion...
The links are included in the video description
-navin
@@TheFutureIQ those are just book mentioned in in the video and other videos of yours... where are the research papers you mentioned...
@@RaviShankar-lz7fjsee tye reaserach papers of hapologroups in google search it and see the sample an average Tamil is very much different from a kuruvasnhi of north india cause .see the faces of north india and south india see theire faces are different and the north indians tend to be more shining and light in colour .
@@RaviShankar-lz7fj the books have it i guess
@@bhagathas3487if you know how to use an book index and it's bibliography. It used to be a skill. I wouldn't throw pearls to swine.
What do you mean by DNA of a specific caste? Can DNA classify and stand DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT CASTE? OR DO YOU MEAN SOMETHING DIFFERENT? Would you be able to correct or reverse it at this point? THIS POINT MAY BE CLARIFIED IN YOUR NEXT VIDEOS IN THE FUTURE.
He talking how people of the same caste Carrys the same DNA
DNA analysis of 70 different groups (castes and jatis) of modern Indians and comparison of that with ancient DNA shows that there was lots of intermixing among the different jatis and castes until 1900 years ago. Then, 1900 years ago, the intermixing stopped, and the situation has *largely* remained like that till the present day. So it does mean that because different jatis and castes have practiced endogamy for 1900 years, there are DNA markers in a jati that are not found elsewhere and vice versa.
-navin
DNA cannot be changed without severely affecting the health of the individual. Why would you want to do that?
@@jamesaron1967individual's DNA didn't change. It mixed with other DNA from other people over generations. And the fact that these DNA sequences existed in people from the other groups proves that it had either no effects at all or no harmful effects at the least. Also, only the successive ones survive and the unhealthy ones are rooted out over generations either way. FYI, most of these genetic markers actually are redundant and have no functions whatsoever.
@@prashanttewari I understand, I was only replying to the other commenter who asked about posdibly changing his DNA.
Brilliantly noted. Middle Eastern is a political construct to ignore the core African DNA in the region or African DNA origin. In this vein, the Middle Eastern migration is the African subsequent migration into all parts of India.
Basically it appears that Africa is only the place where humans first evolved - and spread throughout the world
Middle eastern farmer concept is noted as separate from their African ancestor bcz the 60k years in between changed them with visible physical traits, occupation n other behaviours
Same holds for Steppes
Thank you
WORD!
I am confused. Before this video, I had the understanding of Aryans coming to India. Invasion is more likely, if someone else occupies your land. Migration if they occupy nearby land such that there is no conflict. But this video asserts that it is migration whilst providing proof that it is an invasion. They mentions that the steppe herders (aryans) came without women. Who travels without women other than for war?
Did Indians, Chinese, Italians, Irish people, Polish people, Mexican people, etc. invade America?
Heck, why go so far? Did the Gujarati people invade Mumbai? Did the Shettys invade Mumbai? Did the Marwadi people invade Mumbai?
A land that invites and welcomes people willingly isn't being invaded. It is being made stronger by the collective strength of the people who settle there and call it their own.
You assume that the people of IVC were the "rightful" residents of the the land but how can you forget that they themselves were migrants at some point in time?
- Shrikant
@@TheFutureIQThe original people of Indus Kush are the Nubian Kushites who are the Ancient Egyptians who ruled Indus kush for millions upon millions of years Kushites had a highly advanced technological civilization up until the 17th century when the Indo aryans came from the caucas mountains regions invaded annihilated ethnic cleansed the Indegenious Kushites Bantus the remaining Kushites are now called the Siddis who are marginalised and excluded based on the racist cast system brought to Kush renamed India by the Indo aryans renamed Indians
modern day Indians Pakistanis Bangladeshi destroyed the Ancient Kushite One world empire
In Niger South Africa Cameroon they still speak Tamil
Also he say's that in some areas, ALL the people had Indian FEMALE mtdna, and stepherder MALE dna, because the Stepherde males, "out competed for the Indian females". What a nice way to put it.
Superb content and it throws light on the many misconceptions and wrong theories which was a matter of debate for many decades.. . Great work... looking forward to more content like this..
Thank you
-navin
So this is Aryan picnic theory! 😂
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Migration theory, not picnic.
Earlier it was called invasion, now it is considered a slow migration - that happened after IVC had already declined.
Aryan refugee theory
Migration theory Lacks Evidence @@mrgyani
every single Languages people in India have land inside India.
Bengali have Bengal..
rajasthani have rajasthan..
kanndan have kannada
Telugu have Telugu.
tamilanu have Tamil...
😂😂😂😂😂😂but
Sanskrit have invasion theory. only..
no land.. because their came From europe via Kaiper Polen ..
Clear explanations. Bravo. Well done. Plz continue your work. Love from Sri Lanka 😊
Only one question. Since you mentioned the DNA only consists of male DNA. Its clear evidence of an invasion. If its a migration DNA should contain female DNA as well. Or according to your explanations only males had intermarried with ANI ?
1000%!!!! I noticed that too!!! It seems like he's trying to say there was no invason when the Mtdna and the Dna in the people in some parts of India shows there was an invasion!!!
@@khem127 Yeah that's the case . I think because of popular narrative these days people trying to be politically correct. The represent evidence shows there were numerous invasions, according to my understanding I think many Tribes came from the north and settled in Gangetic plain and founded 16 mahajanapadas.People can call it migrations but native people won't welcome outsiders gently. So Aryans had to fight with the locals. They were one of the best archers and horse riders. Warfare is not a new thing for them.
Very nicely done guys. Probably the most well-presented overview of Indian genetic ancestry I've come across.
Thanks for the kind and sincere appreciation. We hope we can keep bringing more such detailed videos to you. - Team FIQ
They are telling Britishers are your father and you are simply accepting without any research. Just think once, in these kind of theories why always foreigners are always coming to India and why not Indians were not gone to eastern world. They are just bluffing. Just think this way, if Indians gone to steppeherd world and they given birth to many babies and brought back their babies to India, then also same DNA patterns will come. Ok
@@k.dineshkannana.kesavarama7749😂😂😂 omg...the hate for British is clouding your rational mind...
There is no DNA evidence of your theory hence it wasn't the case. Abd ut doesn't make sense for people to migrate somewhere and to come back
@@pari0088 you love Britishers, no problem for me. Have you done any excavation under the oldest cities like Kasi in India, it may reveal our forefathers were not hunter gathers but a highly developed human beings. Excavations in the remote areas will definitely say you are the descendents of hunter gathers. DNA will not reveal the cultural heritage.
@@pari0088 Those who love Britishers will definitely accepted that Peter's theory,😂😂😂😂. I'm proud Bharatiya.
Great Video Guys. Loved the historical precision and transparency between the facts and subjectivisms. Although I have one question, I feel like you guys missed on the part where we see early stone age people in south India over 1.5 million years ago ? We have stone tool evidence in Attirampakam, Tamil Nadu from around 1.5 million years which are also the oldest found stone tools in India if I'm not wrong. I wonder where these early stone age people fit into your timeline ? Certainly there is a huge gap between 1.5 Mil years and the first mentioned 65,000 years. Would love to get that gap filled in this history of India timeline. Cheers!
There was a big volcanic eruption (Toba) 74000 years ago, which resulted in ash deposits all over the Indian subcontinent. There's no evidence that any humans in India survived this. As a result, any modern Indians are descended from humans who came after this and anything earlier is prehistory
-navin
@@TheFutureIQ Isnt there evidence from archaeological sites in India, such as Jwalapuram in Andhra Pradesh, suggests that human populations were present before, during, and after the Toba eruption
? Stone tools found in the layers of ash indicate continuous human occupation, suggesting that humans did survive the eruption and its aftermath.
It is possible. However, tracking DNA markers indicates that only approximately 10000 humans *worldwide* are supposed have survived the Toba eruption, most of them in Africa. While there are tools found before and after the ash in Jwalapura, no fossils have been found so we just can't be sure. In any case, even if some did survive, they don't appear to have a big impact on the DNA of the later Indians.
-navin
There was never anything found as evidence of 1.5 M yrs stone tools. This is more Southie fantasy.
Homo Sapiens came to existence around 300,000 years ago. Before that they were primitive humans, probably from other branches of human evolution . All of them extinct due to various reasons. The last known species closest to humans/ Homo Sapiens were Neanderthals and never lived in Indian subcontinent. There for, what you have stated is a false narrative. I don’t think your claim is a pier reviewed genuine research.
Only thing what we can sure about is that there were groups migrating to India and groups were migrating out of India. So both things happened.
I think the male dominance of steppe herders in the North and their overrepresentation in higher casts might also argue for a violent take-over, followed by intermixing, as discussed for the Anglo-Saxon immigration into England. What is your view?
I must say thank you as the dialogue was so clear & without confusion. And above all enlightened.
The word Aryan is sanskrit, meaning "civilized person", it has nothing to do with race.
Ancient tamil literature mentions Aryans are elephant herders and dancers on the rope nothing more.
it's Arya..... not Aryan
@@kartikshiroya2270Aryan is Tamil form for arya. Krishna is Krishnan in tamil
@@kartikshiroya2270 Doesn't matter , europeans created the term aryan based on refering the Arya in vedas
You are wrong steppe herders did not invent Sanskrit it was derived from Prakrit The Language used by The ASI And ANI People.
Please tell us when exactly all Vedas written and which group influenced to write it?
Search Sanskrit was first found in
Aryans, whom he call Steppe Herders.
He clearly told that it was Steppe Herders
And Brahmins or so so called upper casts are having dense indus and ancestral hunters DNA 🧬. This is messed up than GOT
Actually konw one khows, there are so much speculation and most of this part written during mughal period
I believe you are rewriting the history and you are wrong.
Bro how you do your research, pls shed some light on that also/ would love to know
A lot of it is following the right people on social media, and subscribing to the right substacks. Those give initial ideas, which I follow up by reading the relevant research articles on Google scholar or sci-hub or libgen
-navin
@@TheFutureIQ acha! Good to know👍. Ty
@@TheFutureIQ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The IVC was a indigenous,urban civilization with extensive international contact, trade and a sophisticated domestic manufacturing industry.
The Iranian hunter gathers are part of the out-of- Africa population that stopped short on Iran. The rest continued on towards India and beyond. So, essentially the hunter gatherers are the same affected by local genetics.
The ANI carries the Steppe ancestry. Post 1500bc
I’ve never participated in a “ recent “ DNA study but my husband and I were participants in The National Geographic Genome Project. This study ran for many years before we participated. It was interesting for me to see my mother’s mitochondrial DNA lineage, for this is part of my journey as well. Her line went through The Fertile Crescent, as they were among the first pre-farmers, ( as you so aptly put it ). I have a rare blood type, about 2% of the population of the world ( yet, there are a few rarer ones ), and my DNA is a rare haplogroup with a rare subclade as well. Her distant family ( 45,000 years ago or so ), visited many places over the generations but also settled for a time in India and Pakistan. Your American sister from an ancient other mister. 😉🤓☺️
That was a journey and half in just one comment! Thank you so much for sharing it with us... Appreciate it very much! :)
- Shrikant
Meanwhile 9500 years old dwarka underwater be like "sure, sanskrit came from outside", oldest settlements of indus valley civilization 9500 years old be like "yeah sanskrit is surely not from here", rigveda describing saraswati river at its peak about 8000 years ago, be like " yeah man sanskrit aren't from here", Ram setu dating back 7000 to 18400 years be like "of course sanskrit is from europe, king Dasharath was from France didn't you know?", if stupidity had a face I can see it in this video.
Very interesting and informative!
Can you please include North-Eastern cultures as well in this account, as that is an interesting part of Indian history often left out.
Unfortunately, the research papers that I used for this video excluded Tibeto-Burman and Austro-Asiatic DNA from their analysis-because they wanted to focus on the larger populations. As a result, unfortunately, Northeast India has been left out of this analysis. I'm sorry about that.
I am looking for literature on the DNA of Northeast Indians and if I find enough material, will try to put it up somewhere
-navin
First, stop calling North-Eastern, instead of people of Northern South East Asia. Have we given you a label that wipes out your identity?
This is so detailed and informative, need to watch multiple times to understand and process this information!
I'm glad you liked it and I'm glad that you're watching multiple times!
-navin
what is the evidence of
1. Step -herders' language is a precursor to Sanskrit? Did they write books in steps that they carried? Are these books/inscriptions found in the present steps region? What script did they have?
2. Step-herders' religion being a precursor to Vedic religion?
That part of the video was ridiculous. Steppe herders (barbarians) brought language and religion to a population that had been settled for thousands of years and was more advanced....that doesn't make any sense.
It's a fact. Their lifestyle is perfectly described in the old Sanskrit texts.
@@loksterization is it not possible at all, that they (steps folks) immigrated and adopted local culture and professions to survive? A Lot of Indian programmers migrate to the US and adopt the American lifestyle. Does that mean they brought programming to the US??
Try to find objective evidence of Sankrit already existing in the steps region. Without that, it is a sloppy argument.
@@blueSkyIs1 you don't understand. These Sanskrit texts talk in detail about the steppes where they came from. Facts are facts, this is not ideology.
@@loksterization Please post evidence and texts. And how you came to conclusion that they talk about Steps
Also, very important! Why steps people don't take about their own place in Sanskrit that they are supposed to have been espoused??
“Some of the started migrating into India?” Sir, India was a part of the Indus Valley. It was a large are that encompassed even a part of Afghanistan.
Nice explanation of this complex issue, but I have a minor miffs with their details.
1. The terms ANI and ASI are largely outdated and rarely used today (except in India). David Reich, in his book "Who We Are and How We Got Here" (p. 197), acknowledged that their use was a sort of political compromise in 2008. The more appropriate terms are:
a. AASI (Ancestral Ancient South Indians - although it should have been Ancestral Indians, as they were not limited to South India)
b. Indus Periphery (a mix of East-Iran-HG-Farmers and AASI)
c. Steppe Herders
d. Austro-Asiatic (Munda)
2. The presentation also assumes that the Indus Valley people moved to North India first, and then later moved into South India. There is evidence of Indus Valley connections with the Southern Neolithic (3000 BCE) in the Deccan Plateau much earlier than their movement into the lower Gangetic plains after the demise of the IVC.
3. The presentation assumes that Dravidians and AASI are synonymous, which is far from settled. Based on recent genetic and linguistic evidence, it is more likely that Dravidian was one of the dominant languages of the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC) and moved to South India along with pastroagriculturalism. We perhaps lost the pre-Dravidian languages of AASI people, as happened with the other hunter-gatherer languages around the world.
4. Most early Indologists were not particularly religious. The first significant proponent of the Caucasian origin for Indo-European languages was Johann Georg von Hahn, a German linguist and Orientalist. In his 1854 work "Albanesische Studien," Hahn proposed the Caucasus as the homeland of Indo-European languages. His research was scholarly and academic, based on linguistic, geographical, and historical evidence, rather than religious motivations. And with the latest research, his conjectures appear to be prophetic.
5. How did the Steppe population come to dominate language, genes, and culture without the use of force or invasion?
Thanks for the detailed comment
-navin
great reply😃👍
Totally misleading video….
No one created ved, ved came from our bhagwan 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I am confused! So, who were Aryans, Dravidians? Did they exist before these migrations? Or were they born after these migrations? 'Aryan' means those who worship Light or Fire! This word is found in our ancient scriptures. Also what about the Vedic culture? Who brought it? Who were our great Rishis? When and where did they come from? Tons and tons of knowledge from our ancient scriptures were taken away by those travellers who came to "Sone ki Chidia" and took the knowledge abroad! Many questions are not clear!
Vedic Aryans were fish eating Brahmins who lived along saraswati river and migrated after saraswati dried up
That's why western steppe people eat fish and mostly Irish people were high fish eaters we can see Irish admixture in brahmins
Brahmin is a Varna/occupational group and the DNA of Brahmins of different regions differ significantly, e.g. the R1a (or Aryan gene) is highest in Northern Brahmins and it decreases considerably as we move down South India. In short, Brahmins aren't a homogenous group.
This video is a must watch for all ultra hindu nationalists , as well as all racist people who claim some unscientific bullshit that supports their world views. Thanks a lot for creating such videos. India is in severe need of scientific thought.
You can't argue with people blinded by their faith. These people have been brainwashed into thinking that their land, people and culture was directly created by god, and has been the same since the beginning of time. This video is simply a lie for them.
Why a must watch? Do you have the scholarly temperament to evaluate is claims?
According to this man Brahmin s are having steppe DNA then why they were not survived in steppe. This man is sure shot leftist mindset and mixing all scientific studies for his agenda.
I.e Nort Indian vs dravidian
@@sanjayp251 What agenda? Have you done your own DNA test?
@@jaychetra3250 A DNA test would be enough then
Couple of interesting inferences.
1. Stepp herders migrated without women? Or perhaps had strict rule to not have women mix outside of their community?
2. 100 AD is when someone came up with the strict jaati/varna system, which also aligned with approximate dating of Manu Smriti.
1. Okay, that's an interesting perspective! My personal hypothesis is that it was probably migration in search of a better life - education, trading, work, etc. You know, similar to how people from rural areas migrate to urban locations? Or people from the global south migrate to the developed nations? But your theory of women being *made* to stay behind also meshes well with a (possibly) patriarchical society. Hmm, will have to look more into it! Thanks for the food for thought! :)
2. Yeah, that's sounds about right. Our hypothesis is that both - the rigidity of caste/jaati/varna and the documentation of it via the Manusmriti - may have begun happening around the same time. One fed the other, which fed back into the first, creating a feedback loop that strengthened a vague, loose concept into a rigid principle. Hypothesis, of course! :)
- Shrikant
No one knows who the Aryans were. The word Aryan is recorded in text, two times in history-on the grave of Darius where it was written “I am an Aryan” and in the Vedas. That means the Aryans had a connection to Persia and India. There is no evidence that shows that they could have been from anywhere else.
He said at 16:19 that the ARYANS were the Steppe herders , but that he did not to call them Aryans because of the racist connotations.
:The meaning of ARYAN is indo-european. (*Merriam Webster, Google)
Why do you say Indian origin and not north indian? Because people speaking dravid language, the central indian tribes like mundari language and of course North East Indians except the Assamese people?
Like the white Brits you too want to show that the fairer north indians are original indian.
exactly
Mostly all the states in north india are mixed blood and these people only speaks hindi and they forgotten theyre own tribal original languages.
One question...before hunter gatherers who were here?
Wild animals. As far as we know, all humans originated from Africa, and the ancient hunter gatherers were the first group of people that came to the Indian subcontinent.
😂 No one ( means no human), Only Animals...
Me😃
@@gjl1211 Dinosaurs
We were at all times Homo sapiens.
Very informative. DNA is such a treasure trove. Really impressed with the amount of information we can get out of this. Adds a whole new dimension to the study of history. Hope they can find new dna samples from more individuals and expand on the study. Thanks for sharing.
This type of debate always get the North Indians upset. Lol
Absolutely fascinating! Great episode!
Thanks!
Calling the original peoples as hunter gathers insinuates they are primitive. There’s evidence that Tamil is one of the oldest languages, and civilizations in South India for much longer than people realize, and cave art in Maharashtra that is even older than any of this. It could be that the “Hunter Gatherers” founded civilization in India, and their wealth drew immigrants in constant flows from the Middle East.
Ikr
@@sathishvijayan2160 Hunter gatherer isnt a ‘primitive’ term. Its just a way of life. That makes it no more or less primitive than agriculturists, lets say. Hunting and gathering food is the common way of living for almost every animal. There still are many tribes across the world which depend not on agriculture but on hunting, they have survived through just as many thousands of years as have the agriculturists, it is just as valid as any other mode of living. They have just as rich a culture and tradition. Hunting-gathering doesnt make them more or less of a developed human, thats just the pov of people who think of themselves as superior, living in a ‘developed’ world.
@Namse21 ok so your ancestors might be hunter gatherers,ours were exploring the origin of the universe and writing the Vedas but not hunting and gathering
@@AJJYTHEGREAT ok? great? you think thats a diss??? even the ‘writers of the vedas’ and the PIEs had ancestors that were hunting gathering based. The first human species were hunter gatherers and even our species was hunter gatherer for majority of its span here on earth.
(homo sapiens evolved around 250k years ago and agriculture was invented 12k years ago, so yeah for 230-240k years, every human was hunter-gatherer.)
@Namse21 we are talking about a specific period of history here, not about the whole human civilization
My grandfather used to tell us stories about how a sheep hurder came with his sheep down in the valley to feed them and married there. There were two peoples pastoral and agrar
It's the same for Native American. My 2 DNA (2015 & 2023) have no genetic markers for Asian or Siberian. 100% Navajo. Some Christian faiths believe we are the lost tribe of Isreal. Or that we were introduced to Judaism before colonial. And that Jesus came to the Americas to teach us Christianity during the 3 days after his death. 😂
we have evidences which predates Both Aryan migration theory and AIT. And I didn't talk about OIT in first place. UP findings near IVC unearthed Chariots, helmets, Swords etc tracks back to 2000 BCE or More. Which predates All the migration hypothesis.
Incorrect, the UP findings(Sinauli chariot) is dated to 1900 bce and has a cart (not a spoked wheeled chariot like the aryans)
Even then, 1900 falls in line with the Aryan migration (starting around 2000 bce) and they could’ve been early central Asian immigrants before spoked wheeled and horse chariots were created
NO, its is Dated 2000 BC in upper bonds and UP findings are not only evidence we have.. Study done by US,ohio uni of human sciences and IIT, ASI shows NO evidence of a migration coming to indian subcontinent OVER 8000 year SPAN
@@vipassana123 NO, its is Dated 2000 BC in upper bonds and UP findings are not only evidence we have.. Study done by US,ohio uni of human sciences and IIT, ASI shows NO evidence of a migration coming to indian subcontinent OVER 8000 year SPAN
@@vipassana123 NO, its is Dated 2000 BC in upper bonds and UP findings are not only evidence we have.. Study done by US,ohio uni of human sciences and IIT, ASI shows NO evidence of a migration coming to indian subcontinent OVER 8000 year SPAN
@@vipassana123 No, pls be updated in New terms and reports which come over
Question?? Are Middle Eastern pre- farmers and Steppe Herders also a mix of their local Ancient Hunter Gatherers who initially migrated out of Africa some 65000 yrs ago spreading globally.
If so, with Whom ?? Did the Ancient Hunter Gatherers mix with in those locations ( outside india) and where did those local populations come from ??
If there were no original local populations,Is it that geography/ latitude location, changed the phenotype of Ancient Hunter Gatherers?? To allow for distinct middle eastern and steppe type of people??
Humans phenotype seem to be a a repeat of old wine in new bottle💥🤩
The thing is that every one came from one thing that is sanatan that is called as jambudweep wich is now termed as pangea that's why there is one sloka in sanatan scripture vasudeva kutumbukam which means whole world is like a one family
Our Social Constructs is what makes us different. Trinidad 🇹🇹 USA
These two propagandists didn't even realise to discuss this ... They have come with a planned agenda
The timing of the migration are very different, the African hunter gather moved to India 65000 years ago, while the others were less than 5 thousand years ago. The African race in Africa is very different from the hunter gatherer that settled in the Indian sub continent. Both of them have had more than 40000 years to evolve seperately.
There is no such thing as steppe herders.
All from one core... That is Thamizh... Truth stands always... தமிழ் ❤
How do yall feel knowing your ancient ancestors came out of Africa??? 🤷🏽♀️😂😂😂
Why you call your self as Aryan. Who are other
Not other,Real aryan word only found in Hindu text and ancient Iranian texts, europeans copied it from India
There has always been a tendency for usurpers, outsiders in any area, to claim that they always lived there, specially with small abodes and shops!
Obviously they have been planted there by big goons!
Supported by corrupt officials!
What about words words in non hindu text?.......talking about other races?
Very interesting and you make a complex subject more easely understandable. Great work.
Thanks
-navin
Those people that are referred to as steppe people was actually scythians who originated from Siberia and went west all the way to Germany and France definitely not Caucasian
What a joke...kindly publish who funded these research. Wonderful how people in India always remained hunter gatherers but migrants are innovative. One can concoct similar stories for Hindu migration theory as well
Good point. 😊👍
good video!! a Doubt how can saraswati be mentioned in the vedas,when the steppes came around 1800 BCE..Does the vedas were really written around 1500bce as said by many British indologists...generally many people who work on date of vedas consider it to be around 14k old ...?
Vedas is made in India and not anywhere written or proved it is made by aryans so it is possible vedas knowledge is very old than aryans and come from indus faith
As described in Rigveda about Saraswati, it is closely identified with the Arghandab River in Afghanistan.
thats why many historians says that a large part of vedas might been compiled around indus valley civilization either through the oral traditions or in some proto Sanskrit language. But Indian left with western marxist historians want to keep it on 3500 BC so thay can claim everything in India is from central asia
Buddies,concat lot of stories just like their Ramayana and Mahabharata which roots back to greece.since the time of immemorial only thing Brahmins have is story telling
@@jothikrishnanpalanivel9641 Not only stories but a big liar about scriptures and text.
As I watched numerous videos on this subject, I gathered that there were three distint sources of the Indian DNA as explained here. But sadly, I didn’t find a video that corraborated my inferences until this one. Most of the videos I saw earlier seem to push one narrative over the other.
This seems most unbiased and scientific and yet explained very simply.
Thank you gentlemen for presenting this so beautifully.
It's totally flawed video the research paper he's talking about is cell name and the thing is that the authors of that paper are now changed much of their opinion
@@Yashpromax It is the hindutwa influence on the authors , not any new findings !
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg 🤦🤦what a logic
The thing is that every one came from one thing that is sanatan that is called as jambudweep wich is now termed as pangea that's why there is one sloka in sanatan scripture vasudeva kutumbukam which means whole world is like a one family
@@mikeynimbavat1436 Was there any sanskrit in the pangea/ jambudweepa ?
Fairly decent video. I understand why you still used antiquated terms such as Aryan so Indians will understand.
I am not sure about the basis in which you claim pottery style went from India to westwards.
It is because of the fact that PiE people in India was low in percentage but still used religion to be on the top, we say that Indian Caste system was the true Apartheid system.
From your video it is clear that the caste system solidified around 100 CE which corresponds to the time when modern Bhakti based Hinduism took roots under the rule of kings such as Guptas
People should also realize that many other westerners came to India between 500 BCe to 100 CE
The ancient ‘Indians’ still live on the jarawa & sentinel islands, not far from the Indian mainland.
Thank you.
The real Indians are the dravidians in south India because there were less invaders there. The Ayrans were invaders to the Indus Valley and they stayed.. The northern part of India has had so many invaders which is why the shades of Indians differs so much. Just like in the Philippines the real indigenous peoples are very dark but they have a mix of races. The Australian aborigines are of Indian descent and per DNA studies they migrated to Australia.
Then why do bramhin consider themselves upper castes and what they are looking different from adivasi and Dalits?
be mixing stopped 2000 yrs back
Did you watch the video? He explained exactly this point.
Did you watch the video?
Becoz they thought themselves as superior race and created society structures
@@beinghuman852and everyone accepted it lol
Max Muller came from Germany. He was a scholar at Oxford and his subject was Sanskrit. We have Max Mueller Bhavan all over India which is promoting German language and not Sanskrit. He never came to India.
Yep. He never put one foot on Indian soil, but he was an "expert", lol. 😂
While I agree it is good to know where we came from for the knowledge of history and how humanity evolved, I think it is more important to know what are our current values, beliefs and what we stand for in our lives, how we treat each other, and how and what we can do to make each other's lives easier and better.
You uploaded this just yesterday and the video has already crossed 14k views. Is it because of the topic of the video, or as Navin sir explained, just the effect of compounding ?
Bit of column A and bit of column B.
The topic of the video was definitely a factor but the UA-cam algorithm also recognized that we have been creating content regularly and (my hypothesis is that) it may have decided to 'boost' our episode a little bit...
Thank you for noticing this little quirk - very impressive! :)
- Shrikant
He us just singing old song. Nothing new
Was india a empty land before hunters? No! Tamils are the original people of india!
The hunter gatherers were the first no other humans were there before. You came from those people don't you get it.
Exactly. People just started coming to this magical land from everywhere. Lmao.
what a relief, seriously though very informative lecture and I look forward to hear more, I'll subscribe
Completely missed mongoloid DNA strains which is almost 60-70% of Eastern part - beyond bihar - towards east
Also the tribals in all regions - extreme north also have no stepper so how cam we say north inda- as identifying.
Another fact is that there is no evidence of any vedic type of religions development, not language , religions development similar to what developed here 4000-5000 years back upto 500AD
But there is evidence of pagan goes and rituals and praying in excavations dated 15000 years back in Indian subcontinent (even tples as old as 4000 years back in southern region )& across all regions
So that also debunks this claim by thia professor that religion was bought by stepper herders , no way , and it seems that thus stepper herder was very miniscule compared to DNA mixing of mongoloid races over times between 5000 BC to 1000AD
By giving more weightage that stepper herder instead of.mongoloid is biggest lacuna of this thesies , I am amazed that so many genetic beginners could have missed the mongoloid races strain ??
It would give a whole different genetic pattern for almost 40 percent of eastern indian population ancestry.
Big loophole in this talk by the professor -
Further genetic evidence of keezhadi excavations have proved that there was no entering of any races for last 15,000 years
So a whole lot of portion of what thia professor is saying doesn't not gel at all !!
15,000 years - no race pool entered this subcontinent
Period ! ( pun intended )
So itt also.means the same people developed farming
Same.people developed religion
Same peoplel.developed culture
From 15000 years
Those who came.came before that hence
No chance of any major difference in so called ANI - ASI
Send to be another attempt to hogwash the public
Stepper gatherers from.unkraine indeed !!😂😂😂
I bet the contribution of this extra strand of DNA in the research music have been by Indian researchers
They just cant keep away from tha blonde hair , white skin blue eyes DNA 😂😂😂😂😂
we have evidences which predates Both Aryan migration theory and AIT. And I didn't talk about OIT in first place. UP findings near IVC unearthed Chariots, helmets, Swords etc tracks back to 2000 BCE or More. Which predates All the migration hypothesis. The Gap between Sanskrit and The proposed migration, No archeological evidence of migration/invasion, Theory id 87% Based on Language words "matches" And not on Archeological. And pre vedic Tools, pottery styles were Already Found in IVC way before 2300 BC. Lastly Researches Done by IIT and Other anthropological units internations Found Cultural contiunity rather than migration
Well said.
Another question that affects us till this day. There apparently was a quite efficient sewage system in the Indus valley civilization. What happened to that knowledge? It hasn't seemed to have passes down the generations.
Oh yes, an interesting question. But that is not just for drainage system. The finesse in pottery also faced a deterioration and decline. With the river systems drying up, the economy also must have been declining, which meant people gave preference to basic survival skills over technology. Also, the IVC population migrations towards east and south lasted hundreds of years. A migrating population can not build a robust drainage system (an assumption, can be blatantly wrong).
Additionally, the archaeological work in the Ganga-Yamuna doab region has been pretty recent compared to the primary IVC sites like Harrappa and Lothal, which is almost 200 years old. We don't really know what is in store for us.
It doesn't work that way. By that logic all our generation should have the knowledge stored in nalanda which was destroyed ,but do we have that? Technological knowledge always remains within few technitians only
That is true: a lot of IVC knowledge died with them. We don't know for sure why/how that happened. One plausible theory I've heard is that their civilization/knowledge depended on being able to grow crops in abundance in the fertile Indus valley. When the water in the rivers dried up, they couldn't keep it up. Some people tried desperately to live there while others migrated. The former slowly died out. The latter reached the Ganga valley: however, the rains and soil here were very different from the rain/soil in the Indus Valley, so their techniques didn't work as well initially. As a result they didn't have enough surplus grains and they couldn't sustain tje large population of people needed to build and maintain their cities and sewage systems and other things. This continued for many generations and the knowledge was lost. Slowly, over time, they managed to figure out how to get their crops working in the new location, but by this time, the knowledge was gone.
Sounds plausible, but this is not necessarily a very strongly supported theory (yet)
-navin
After that few cunning people invent caste system which based on birth and too because of previous lives karma shits..And then what no need for any inventions..peoples were assigned with all the menial cleaning and hard working jobs.
lost knowledge.
I been running into it suddenly recently and then had this in my watch later for like a month. God is always answering my true heart, when I let go of ego.
4:56 correction. This country was not on any map, and there was no nation, no language. The alphabet is half cirylic half latin, the spoken language is made of all the surrounding languages, manly russian and polish. The name of the synthetic "country" literally means a cut-off piece of land between 2 strong countries. It gained land for itself because of a certain politician, who was a khazarian zionist and even now nobody can figure out why he did that, altho there are theories.