The Truth About Antelope Audio Interfaces
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Antelope Audio. Some folks love them. some folks hate. I have owned Antelope Interfaces for 4 years and had a mostly good experience. Today, we're gonna talk about antelope and if you should buy or pass!
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Thanks for this, I’ve been considering the discrete 4 for my home studio, and it’s true that their online reputation has given me pause. I’m glad to hear that this is (hopefully) in the past, because their products seem really good on paper.
I've been using an Orion 32 Gen. 3 for a couple of years and I've never had an issue with it. And their customer service is the absolute best. I've gotten people on the phone at 1 in 2 o'clock in the morning and doing a shared screen. Nobody does that period nobody can. No complaints for me
Umm… time zones?
gracias por la reseña Juan, orion 32 funciona bien en windows 11?
There’s other companies that do shared screen tf are you talking about
Nice! How does it sound?
My experience mirrors yours closely. I bought the Orion2017 when it came out and went through a lot of issues that others experienced and it was frustrating. But I stuck through it, recently upgraded to the Orion Synergy Core and I'm really stoked to be in the ecosystem. The support is fantastic now, the plugs are great and I got the Edge Duo as part of their promo and that thing kills. No doubt Antelope had serious issues in the past, but they've really evolved as a company and the products are superb.
My orion2017 was a nightmare for me
Discrete 4 Synergy Core user, have never had a single issue with the product and the sound quality of Antelope interfaces is staggering. Their preamps, clocking and AD/DA conversion are the best. When you try it you can't go back. I've tried UA Twin X Quad, but Antelope sounds better. I use ADAM A7X, so I value a really good sounding interface, even because I do alot of sound design and frankly, I won't leave Antelope Audio. I tried, but I've failed. Very very happy with them and their products.
Fully agree I bought my zen go in spring and needed some support in the beginning to set it up and resolve some ground loop humming. I used their chat function on the website and the support they gave was absolutely stellar. And by the way it is also a stellar sounding audio interface,. I never heard such great converters in a prosumer interface.
How did you fix the ground hum ?
@@CAEVOMusic you have humming with your Antelope interface?
@@StringMachine yeah my zen tour, its comes and goes. Already have a power conditioner. There didn't seem to have much help for me........
@@CAEVOMusic I plugged the power supply on the same multi output socket as the speaker power cable and exactly right next to it to make sure that they get exactly the same phase from the household electricity.
I’ve got the Discreet 4 synergy and love it, I was going to use my old M-Audio 2626 to add 8 more channels in order to record rehearsals but I’ve never taken the time to learn how to do that.
How is the Discreet 4 compare to the Apollo Twin X?
@@Viettzz the ad/da is better on D4SC, it's clearer and more details!
My experience with Antelope has been really shitty. I have had massive problems having my computer (new Dell, otherwise functioning perfectly) consistently recognize their unit. Customer service has basically been me uninstalling and reinstalling their launcher over and over again, doing nothing. Having to log in to the server (???) every day. The tech guy finally said that I should just plan on unplugging and replugging in the unit every day and hoping that it would recognize it. I've never had any of these sort of problems on any other piece of equipment before. I asked the tech guy if they were working on solving these problems and he said he didn't think they were. Finally I asked them to take the unit back because it's totally unreliable. 2 weeks ago the tech guy said they were going to RMA the unit but then I have heard nothing from them. I would absolutely not recommend anyone buying anything from them. The unit itself seems well engineered but they still absolutely suck for support. I'm hoping they will take it back so I can be done with it.
I must say, the software is downright offensively unintuitive, clunky and crowded. To put the cherry on top, the link to the “help” video in the interface is broken. “Mute” but no unmute? It really seems to mean disconnect. One could put this down to a language barrier but no… this is beyond. No ability to label mixer channels? 4 mixers? I was just helping a friend with his but I did own a pure2 for a sec. My best description of it would be “hobbled”. I’m sure if you’ve been using one for years you can really appreciate the flexibility but a simple show/hide for the matrix (and 3 additional mixers) seems like it would have made it infinitely easier for folks just having to jump in. That and a 2 second how to when you first open the software would have saved many a human hair.
You have to release other company's routing. For me it was very easy without needing a manual or support.
I also took a chance and it payed off. They sound better than my trusty RME gear which is more stable and better performing drivers. Using windows and Thunderbolt was a rough at first, but credit to Antelope for getting their drivers where they are today, smooth sailing now. We had the 32HD, but after downsizing, I went the Zen Tour SC and it sounds identical. When i say "better", a clearer / nicer top end and smoother mids, more open sound than my RME's.
Can you get a thunderbolt to usb 3 cable to use the fx2daw on windows?
The "DSP" is actually an FPGA, which means the "plugins" aren't really software in the normal sense, but rather loadable digital copies of analog gear (i.e. a circuit of digital components) which the signal runs through in quasi-realtime, just the way it would run through the circuit of an analog device.
Jens, you have little knowledge of the things you are trying to explain, not really helpful at all. This unit does indeed use DSP (digital signal processing) as do all high end virtualizations of analog or digital hardware units. FPGA is a type of circuit increasingly used in audio DSP. It is not different from DSP, but rather is an advanced type of semiconductor architecture, at the individual transistor level, which has become common in DSP design due to its high efficiency.
Antelope’s plug-ins are absolutely software in every sense, exactly like every other manufacturer’s, running as a virtual machine simulating all the activity of the original circuit. There is no analog circuitry present but tonal and dynamic errors common to analog circuitry are simulated in code. DSP has been in use for decades in many industries. FPGA has become a big sales term in the advanced audio manufacturer’s brochures, but both the term and its presence in their products is virtually meaningless to the user. DSP is still, and will likely always be, the heart of all audio plug-in processes.
A digital copy of an analog gear can be the Programming style, but is not chained to fpga.
field programmable gate array - it's like a slender programmable CPU dedicated to speeding up (realtime like) something,
in this case the Antelope audio plugin (and its programming allows it to do just that).
You can have exactly the same plugin on a classic general purpose CPU , but with a much more slow result.
@@mentalrey1 Again, so much misunderstanding due to the simplicity of advertising. FPGA is one style of circuitry design, meaningless to the end user. Traditional process/memory IO style computing is used alongside it right in the same box. For those companies that can swallow the initial investment though, FPGA brings great benefits to specific uses, offering the capability to restructure hardware through a software update, resulting in significant gains for power efficiency and future upgradability. On its own, no speed improvement is realized by using FPGA circuitry so there is absolutely no inherent latency reduction associated with it. Your last sentence is just massively misinfo. Please stop telling people things like this.
@@artysanmobile Peter, if you create a program for a general purposes CPU, a big if not entirely part of the code need a software translation trough a generic operative system and a kernel process priority, than another tour for to reach the execution, than with an fpga. Much abstraction and layer to pass from the command and the execution. I dunno what you have Read about my post, but i've clearly not speak about latency or other.
My Zen Tour Synergy Core interface is great. I got it mostly because Universal Audio's stuff seemed dated and had far fewer features; like, my ZTSC came with a nice touch screen that lets me jam wihtout my Mac turned on.
Does it come with the afx2daw Software or do you have to buy it separately?
@@zen4714 afx2daw came bundled with my ZTSC but I don’t use it.
Is the clarity of the monitor output of the Zen Antelope better than the Apollo twin?
Support is truly the BEST but my Zen Tour, after a couple of years started acting erratically and then all of a sudden got real bad and gone. Only other interface with same issues were Digidesign back in the day. No other interface had given me problems and I have gone through Digidesigns, Tascam, Motu, Uad, Focusrite, MAudio and Presonus. Headed back to the Uad conspiracy.
Hmmm, I was thinking about going with Antelope Audio hardware, I don't care about the plugins, but they seem like hit or miss. I'm reading quite a few comments on forums about software/driver and or hardware issues and I'm seeing them on youtube as well. Not just old ones, but current comments as well. Seems like a bit of a gamble from where I'm currently sitting. Also, letting support into my computer is not a plus in my book. It should be easy enough to where I can deal with any issue myself. Ideally, it should be as simple as connect some cables, maybe install a driver, power up and done for years to come.
I'm glad it's worked out for CTC but I'm leaning towards RME now. Far less complaints, most people say it just works. "Rock solid" is the common sentiment and I've read about their epic long term driver support, both sound really attractive.
Well I'm off to see what else I should consider.
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Hey thanks for the video, I was on the fence but I’m going to get it tomorrow, one of the Orions. Do you think it’s best to have the mic pre’s or the Orion 32+. I’m only plan on recording my synthesizers and drum machines. Is there a benefit to recording through the mic pre’s? Thanks for your input.
Great review bro. I have an Lynx Aurora N but I need more tracks I'm thinking of selling my Lynx and picking one of these Antelope 32 would be
perfect...What do you think Matt Thank
I’ve had an Orion Studio Synergy Core with a Mac Pro trash can, m1 Mac Pro, and Mac Studio. And although it sounds amazing, it’s integration is awful on all of them. Constant problems. Once a day crashing. Won’t recall settings from AFX2Daw from session to session, unresponsive meters on the afx units, and for over a year now the models of the Edge duo are mis-labeled compared to their counterparts on the Duo plugin.
I had the hd. Version for one week sent it back. Got burl b80 with digilink....i would use nothing else
How about running HW inserts in Protools? I’ve been experiencing negative latency… it’s a known issue with Orion 32 units for example (I’m using the original Orion 32) with no fixes from Antelope!! It’s a HUGE bummer but not a deal breaker… would be amazing to get it worked out…
Another love/hate story here.. I love my Antelope Orion Studio Rev 2017, but I won't be buying another Antelope product again :( When I bought it, the model had been out for about a year, and I got it with the promise that AFX plugins would be free for the life of the product. I think I got 2 post-purchase effects before they made the move to the Synergy line and deprecated my interface. They also walked back the "free AFX" and made them paid, which I would have been fine with, but now the new FX aren't even compatible with my interface.
But most importantly, the quality control is a major let-down. First, 2 channels of my Line output developed a very loud white noise. Luckily Sweetwater had an extended warranty on them (before they dropped Antelope for QC issues) so I was able to send it in for repair. Right then, the pandemic hit and everything shut down so I was without my interface for 3 whole months. Finally got it back, but now a year later, that white noise is back, and now extends to 2 of my front panel inputs. One time, I thought the interface was completely dead because it got stuck in an infinite loop of hard shutdowns when I'd turn it on. I got lucky and it fixed itself after I put it in Golden Boot mode and let it sit for an hour before re-installing the firmware.
All that being said, the sound quality is great, the routing is fantastic, the built-in FX sound fantastic and it's awesome to print them on the way in. But man, what a let down on the build quality. I think I paid $2700 for this thing and for me, that was a big investment.
I've had the 32+ Gen3 for about 4 months now. Converter side sounds great, software is pure buggy crap. It's like working on Windows 95 and waiting on another service pack update to fix all the issues. Absolute basic software functions not working on regular basis.
The routing complaints I can chalk up to unfamiliar and inexperienced users for part of the issue, but the software stability is 100% on Antelopes QC in development.
Though the sound definitely beats out my Apollo Quad, and the in-and-out capabilities are incredible, I wouldn't buy it again. I regret not sending it back within my 30 day window so I'll just ditch it once my backlog of sessions gets caught up. It's functional once you figure out the bugs but ridiculous in 2021 you have to deal with basic software bugs.
I can see Dynaudio LYD-48's at the back. How do you find them? Maybe video review?
I absolutely hate my Antelope Discrete 4. And yet I use it every day to make my living. Why? Because nothing else does what it does, as well as it does. I hate the box, I hate the controls and workflow, I hate the company -- they lie and screw over their customers, their manuals are HORRIBLE, they have very little information online to help you solve the MANY, MANY problems you will have, and basically they don't seem to care about you whatsoever once you've bought their gear. The only thing I'll say is that their tech support is excellent and readily available (which is good because their drivers are horrible -- one of them bricked my new macbook for a day before I figured out how to bring it back to life). So why do I use it? Believe me, if there was something else that did what this box did, I would toss the Discrete in the trash (even selling it on eBay would seem morally questionable) and go get it. But nothing sounds as good. The amp models are incredible. NOTHING is better. More importantly, it works as a pre for my TDM rig. Basically, it replaces an outboard chain that includes a Neve pre and eq, and a vintage (and amazing sounding) 1176 and Distressor. I can set it and forget it -- I don't have to use it as an I/O, I can use it as a zero-latency outboard chain. It's like spending $900 and getting any 4 of the greatest pieces of outboard gear in the world times the four channels. Slate is nice, but it doesn't sound as good. Same with UA, and you have to have it plugged in as an interface for the plugins to work. If the Antelope people read this I'm sure they can say, "see, we don't have to do shit! People love the sound of our gear so fuck them." It's a sad, sad situation.
from what I recall, antelope interfaces don't have a USB Class Compliant mode so they can't be used with iOS iPhones or driverless operation on mac. and that's a deal-breaker. audio interfaces like this need to be driverless
they are class compliant on macOS actually
@@foolaround does it work with an iPhone or andriod phone?
@@magoostus most likely it will although they don't market this feature officially. I've seen a guy using a Zen Tour with a camera kit adapter and an Ipad working just fine.
I use a Focusrite 8i8 interface works really well
how does it compare to rme do you think, dilemma in my head at the moment
Unfortunately none of the crazy things that happened in social media was hearsay. This isnt a political discussion it was proven many many times to be fact. Luckily tho they got there ish together and have been really just kicking ass. Antelope plugins sound amazing honestly I have been debating switching from my 3 x series appolos but I've already invested almost 15k on that ecosystem and I'm slowly moving over to Dante for everything. But antelope is such a amazing investment in interfaces in today's world
I’m using two discrete 8. it’s kind of time to drop a updated software panel. The digital mixer takes up 1GB of RAM… kind of a pain. A audio Interface driver should be around 50-150MB. Beside the unintuitive Interface… antelope works for me. But I never would buy again stuff and also not recommend to other people.
Can you help me?
Does anyone know about The registration? I wanna buy my friend’s antelope (discrete 4) and he doesnt wanna to work with music anymore. What should I do? Do I use his log in and password if he gives it to me or do I Make a new registration? I know that if I make a new registration I wouldnt have the plugins he bought and I would only have the free ones that came with the interface. Right?
i would have any trouble or it will be ok to use his user on my DAW (ableton live) and my macbook?
I bought used antelope discrete 8 sc and i have no problem with product registration using my own email.
Nice Review and honest I was looking at RME Baby face then reviewed the specs the chips 2 small aparantly and there no dynamics control WHAAAAT.
I been watching antelope audio for Several months and reading plus watching reviews seems (I Hope as just purchased zen go)they got there act together and add ons for this promotion are including auto tune and afx2daw which is now windows USB compatible.
Bit the bullet! I order yesterday as they seem to be ironing out there glitches I am UK based. I dont really mixes much just take midi songs/files edit with decent samples but I hated the fact audio/singing keyboard/guitar had echo( while monitoring live) and vocals just seemed well dull. Was using a behringer FCA 1616 and basicly the pre,s are what you pay 4. Heard good things about the sound capture as nearly as good as RME but there out of my league and price wise if i had the money I could not justify it to my loved one( she would kill me verbally/hopefully.
Antelope clocks are worth the purchase alone, they are amazing bar none.
I’ve had nothing but issues. From start to finish. Couldn’t get my head around the mixer interface. Found it convoluted and immensely complex for what I wanted to do. Now, after my OS not finding my interface regularly, I used the launcher to make changes. Blue screen. Loads of issues post blue screen. Can’t install. Can’t uninstall the interface. I’m back on my old interface. Disappointed. Never again. I’ll be literally throwing in the bin.
It's 2022, expect a quality product, competent customer service and all at a reasonable price. If you're not getting all three of these go somewhere else. 😎
I'm a newbie..using Orion Synergy on Windows 10. Yes, the routing was a hiccup at first but Antelope provides very fast and reliable customer service, Within 10 minutes, my problem solved. They even helped me with AnyDesk and show me how to route it properly.
Few days ago, there was a new firmware on the Antelope Launcher..after the upgrade, my Orion even sounds much better. Tighter bass, fuller mids and airier highs. Love the new firmware.
I took the promotional period, buy Orion Synergy with free Edge Duo emulation mic and free afx2dw. Too bad, my 5 year old PC doesn't have a Thunderbolt input, so I can't comment on this.
I will have to build a new PC with Thunderbolt input perhaps next year but so far, I've never regretted this purchase. It's a best deal!
Honestly its still mediocre company. I got my interface last year. The interface is GREAT but: customer support is unresponsive, slow and often not knowledgeable. Other times they are super quick, it's very inconsistent.
There's quite a bit of software issues on windows: launcher disappears, is very slow, you need to open launcher before opening the mixer that takes forever to load.
The interface also doesn't mute the output before shutting down so i need to first turn off my speakers before turning off my interface or they will pop.
Oh also, the sleep mode of the interface screen doesn't work correctly, so now i have numbers and letters burnt into my interface screen.
So yeah i half regret my purchase. There's definitely still a lot that sours my day to day experience
I bought a Pure 2. It's so amazimg sounding. I have 2 Apollo 8xp units and the pure 2 sounds much better. The unit was bought at Sweetwater but the display freaked out. I had to send it to a third party company to repair it. About $189. It's USB which is a drag but I love it. You can't beat the sound. So amazing. You can over drive it and clip it and it sonically sounds amazing. There support told me who to send it to for repair and the support for me was great. To be very honest the convertors are the best ones I own. The Pure 2 sounds AMAZING.
How do the plugins sound
antelope Zen go I bought a wonderful audio interface no distortion low noise two headphone outputs and loud quality excellent reverb in the middle I do not like it in Cubase 11.3 much better in antelope good effects but not super, bad works with Cubase 11.3 many problems with the driver
I bought microphone solo, clean highs and high middle of lows is not enough, noisy, a lot of pictures of different microphones and the sound does not change you switch to another microphone and the sound remains microphone solo Now my Mic stop to work I waiting two weeks from Antelopa fix it I have warranty "Antelopa" where are you??? Long time no answer
Now they are going into the high-priced studio monitor business. Oh well, whatever.
I didn’t understand a thing you said, that’s how you critique a product???
dont buy antelope i had an orion 32 and damn it that was a horrible firmware situation...the audio would always have some static sound and pops randomly. never again!!!
Si no quieren perder su dinero no compren antelope audio nada de antelope es horrible cero asistencia técnica, cero soporte
This guy also rants about it hehe - ua-cam.com/video/yyTsHXffL68/v-deo.html. Love/Hate
I don't get the problems people have with these. I'm using an Orion 32+ and its been 99% plug and play. Gives me a ton of I/O for a good price. No crashes or problems. I've barely had to touch the routing. Just plugged it into my console and it seems fine. I'm mostly analog here for processing, so I haven't even tried plugins.
Features: 10
Quality: 9
Support: 5
Reliability: 2
As a customer who got a defective $3000+ unit, the truth about Antelope is complicated. Their customer support and follow-up was terrible at the time. When it worked, it was brilliant. BUT, it rarely ever worked properly. Not even close the reliability required by professional, let alone ANY given product out in the market. I spent countless hours/nights with their support staff trying to figure out how to get it working. They weren't able to figure it out. (I'm assuming I'm a customer with a "bad chip") Purchasing a $3000+ unit is a big consideration and after deliberating for a few months, I finally took a risk on Antelope and I wish I hadn't. After 2 years, with the support of wonderful Vintage King, I was finally able to help get a replacement unit. At that point, one of Antelope's high up managers finally helped replace the product and try to patch things up.
Great product, unpredictable experience.
How would you say the Antelope plugins compare to UAs?
Much better! Just UAD has more variety of plugins AA doesn’t have! But AA AFX2DAW is a BUST! RUN!!
Thanks for your honest opinion. This video was one of the reasons to pull the trigger when I saw a good deal on a new Discrete 8 Pro synergy core. Installation was as pain free as can be (even better then my previous Audient ID44), was up and running in no time. So far it is rock solid, running over usb under Windows 11. The routing possibilities make every physical patchbay in my studio obsolete, just leave anything plugged in and route it anywhere. So afx2daw doess not work on usb, but you can still use the afx channels like hardware inserts, only downside is no automation on the plugins. Overall a pristine piece of gear so far for me 😊
I've just started diving into the rabbit hole with Antelope Audio interfaces. I have a 1st gen Apollo Duo, and now that I no longer use outboard gear, I was looking at the Zen Q. With UAD releasing Spark, and (eventually) being able to use the plugins I bought natively without paying for a subscription, buying the Zen Q with better converters and being able to use UAD plugins seems like a best of both worlds approach. But I've also heard the horror stories. Good to hear you've had a good experience overall.
just bought mine 2 weeks ago and i must say this gear is bad ass i’m team antelope forever now the quality is unmatched
I was wondering how would a galaxy 32 compare to my Prism Titan all around?
I just bought an Orion 32+ for $1500. I needed a single, consistent, and small interface with 32 analog i/o and no frills. I have a vintage console and treat my computer as a fancy tape machine. Zero cares for plugins, mic preamps, headphone amps, etc. I'm 98% outboard; using computer sometimes for MAX/MSP like things and thats it. Even the UI for routing is mostly a non-issue for me as my patch bay is how I route signals. For the price, it seems great. About the only qualm I have is that I can't figure out if I can use two of these sync'd for 64 analog i/o - but I'll deal with that another day.
I've used Antelope now for 6 years. I own the 32+ and the 32+ 3rd Gen as well as the Satori. It's great sounding stuff. I love the 64io I get too. But...damn their drivers are touchy and firmware updates can send your system into a major tizz.
Their support has improved though. They work with you closely via chat and Team Viewer.
If they can clean up?
I believe they become the undisputed kings of AD/DA and interfaces.
But that is a BIG if...
“Touchy” is generous. If I ever get my USB3 driver to work at all, maybe it will then be “touchy”. I am looking forward to someday hearing sound.
Which is the best orion 32+ 3g?
@@jocblues 3rd Gen for sure. Sound is superior. Less issues too.
I have the Orion Studio Rev. 2017. it sounds good, matrix is nice, BUT: …the support of Antelope ist TERRIBLE! The Software is pretty crappy…updates do not work properly, Preamps are hissy as F**k, my powersupply stopped working one day, had to replace it.
Next time UA Apollo.
I'm going to be testing the preamps on the Zen Q in a future video. Thanks for watching!
I feel you. Sound on my Zen Go is hissy. I'm returning mine.
@@voodoodisco I had same problem. I replaced unit with new one and its dead quiet now. I think they fixed that (hardware) problem now.
I have an Orion Studio 2017. I have a LOVE / HATE relationship with it. I love the fact that it has 12 mic pres. This cut down the use of an external ADAT device most of the time for me. The AFX2DAW bridge is awesome, but quickly learned it only works over Thunderbolt. Lastly, it sounds great! However, the routing system is not user friendly. Of course, over all, you get used to it but it is a very frustrating learning experience. Software / Driver updates are not very well tested and they have released some very bad updates, especially the last one. Mine has been in for repair once already, and now one of the mic pres is going out. Only 1 year warranty!!! UUgghhh. Oh and I almost forgot, almost impossible to get some immediate tech support. Have to create tickets and respond to tickets and if you need actual support, they have odd hours. Ive had to contact support at least 6 to 8 times. When I had a UA Apollo, I never called in once.
Are you on an m1 Mac?
Orion HD32 gen 3. No issues so far. Sound is superb. Patchbay is phenomenal.....I was brought up on old skool GPO and later digital patch systems. All good. 😊♥️
I bought an 8pro weeks ago. After two days, drivers problems started. Customer support ended up soft-braking it trying to fix it and suggested me to send it to service. My FB comments asking for help were all deleted. Very disappointed with Antelope Audio. Gladly I gave it back. I wouldn’t recommend this brand to any serious recordist.
Nigga said he's going to tell me "what I should think" Lol!!!!!!! ...Bruh.
Had an Orion 32 & a Goliath, nice hardware, shittiest driver & software implementation I have ever used. Sold both & went to Universal Audio gear, never looked back. Antelope are always just putting out fires. Bullshit company with crappy support & overhyped products that promise the world & don't deliver.
@CapsuleToCone What do you think about the Zen Go in comparison to the Apollo Solo?
That video is not sponsored, they didnot get paid to make it....and that dude wants you guys just to understand that this company is sorry for deleting comments, he wants to explain to you how briliant that company is how briliant products they produce....😥 I just simply belive him and my heart just melted because that amazing story...😪he just care about us and try to tell us that we should not to make that mistake and dont buy that products and that comment wont be deleted....🤣
Of Course the AFX2DAW is for free now when you get a new interface, because they've risen the prices about 200€! I bought my synergy core 8 on December 2019 for 1278€ and now it costs 1499€.
I have to mention that about 4 months ago two decoders (gain knobs) were broken and I sent my unit back to get it repaired. Just yesterday found out that one of them is broken again!
Personally if I would want to spend money on audio gear again, I won't be tempted to buy things because of the promotions again. I would just buy quality things because of their quality build.
Thanks for the review. You happen to be the only Engineer I've found, who's actually used an Apollo and this interface and made a comment about the converters. Would you say the Zen Q Syn Core AD/DA is noticeably "better" than the Apollo Twin, or is this more of a Sideways move? I went from RME Fireface, to Apollo Twin and instantly noticed a degrade in DA, specifically in the Stereo field. The Apollo made it feel more narrow and crowded... and I'm over it at this point. Was gonna go back to RME, but this has a more attractive price point and feature set. Thanks in advance
Why did Sweetwater drop them?
Yeah, the AFX2DAW release was a complete fumble. One of the employees of Antelope Audio said that AFX2DAW would be free, but then they released it with a ridiculously high price.
With that said, I own a Goliath HD, and I have had almost no issues with it. I will throw out the disclaimer that I have never used any of the AFX, because my main focus for buying the interface was channel county and conversion quality. However, it does those things extremely well.
I have no plans to get rid of my Goliath HD anytime soon. It is very capable, and it has many features that newer interfaces still don’t have.
My mobile interface is a Zen Tour (non-Synergy Core), and I love it. It is not bus powered, but that doesn’t bother me too much.
I have the GHD also and was pfft off when they pulled that AFX2DAW scam and even worse how they handled it online and on forums... To this day my GHD disconnects from the USB if I don't launch my DAW asa I power it up. LUCKY I found that workaround. This is still a known unresolved issue that they "contact support" you into a circle jerk that gets no solution to something they know they have no solution for. Other than that BS the hardware is awesome and the connectivity is what I needed but the previous stuff made people sell, cut and run. It was ugly indeed.
Hi is zen tour stable for mixing mastering ?
Zen Tour owner here.. Fantastic unit and the customer support team in Bulgaria was absolutely amazing getting me up and running. And even though the Zen Tour is now classed as Legacy, they got right on to making sure the interface operating correctly in the machine its connected to. For my money, the Zen Tour is far and away better than Apollo's we use on the W7 rig. The routing on the Apollo is much simpler than the Antelope but the few extra minutes needed to route the Zen pays back in spades, awesome sound quality. The plugins don't mean anything to me, the hardware is my only priority
hi does the zentour desktop usb plugins work well with pc ?
also whats the difference between zentour desktop and the upgraded zentour synergy core?please its urgent..today i am striking a used deal ..
@@amonchhetri1053 yes, they do
@@amonchhetri1053 if I were buying either today, I wouldn't buy either. I'd look for something with better software. The hardware is great, the software is unintuitive. Good luck with it ✌️🎶🎶
@@gmichaelhall but mixing will be done with daw..after recording..would that matter while mixing..
I’ll tell you my experience with Antelope. I owned the zen studio which cost $2500 at launch and it did well until it needed Mac computer reboots for it to connect. Then it stopped working with my iPad is when I sold it. I gave them another shot so I bought the zen tour and it too needed the computer to be rebooted every time I would use it. Same with the Pure 2 I purchased, striving for that pristine sound, but Mac needed reboot to work each time. I then sold it and bought the apogee quartet and never looked back. It connects and just works.
i had the same experience with windows (zen tour)...luckily i bought the last demo unit from sweetwater when they dumped antelope and my guy said try it out and send it back any time you want (no time limit)...sent it back after 3 months...the thing was a nightmare...worst drivers in the industry and their plugins look like they were made for windows 3.1...bought an RME fireface UFX+ and have since expanded it with Ferrofish converters (I run 50 channels of analog)...it is rock solid, the latency is laughably low (1.2 ms) and the sound quality is superb....antelope in their wildest dreams couldn't tie RME's collective shoelaces.
Is worth buy today a Antelope Discrete 8 in discountt?..is like 1100 euros where i live..
Bought a secondhand Orion 32+ Gen3 last year. Last week it stopped powering up. I'm hoping it is the PSU board and it is possible to swap out, because a professional repair will be far too expensive.
It's been one disappointment after the other with Antelope as a company, Marcel told us that AFX2DAW would be given to us that bought early as "added value", I hope they're starting to "get it" I'd like to see them do something like a 16 I/O interface without the FPGA for a much better price! Hey Antelope if you read this a unit as described would get some serious attention! Many don't care about the FPGA! do a straight 16 / 24 / 32 channel versions! Many have hardware processing, and many have plugz blow yours off the planet! Want to get really crazy? Build an FPGA array we can install our own plugz on to! You'd sell boatloads of them!
This could be mindblowing hardware!!
I just added an Orion 32+ Gen 4 to my rig. It basically serves as AD/DA for an otherwise analog rig (old school analog console and outboard gear). I have 32 analog ins and outs and am using the SPDIF input for returning stereo mixes that run through a Burl B2 ADC. Although I am afraid of computers and experienced some initial frustration, I was able to install and configure it without having to contact Antelope technical support. There's a bit of a learning curve with the Control Panel, but once you get a couple of stored templates going, you should be fine. As a standalone AD/DA it sounds WAY better than what I had before.
Awesome Video, what do you feel about it after 2 years of use?
Expensive, good quality, EXTREMELY FINICKY
I was super excited when I bought my D8 SC. I didn't know about all the history. Just had friends with great experiences.
It's been a fairly bad experience for me. The cherry on top is that mine stopped working last week and I can hardly get a response to my messages. I hear lots of good experiences and want to buy in... But I'm currently out $1900 CAD and they're not doing anything to help.
Hey awesome video..
I have to buy an interface..
And I'm confused between antelope zen go and rme babyface pro fs.
What do you think should I go for?
Hey man, how are you? I’ve a studio in Brazil and I’m looking for a Orion 32 gen 3. My first option was the presonus quantum 4848, but looking at presonus website I’ve founded many customers having problems and with no answers by the company…
Do you think Orion 32 is a good option? I’m really afraid to buy something that doesn’t work properly… I’m experiencing some issues with my VRS 8 and I just need something realiable that will give me 32 in and outs…
What do you think?
Just subscribed thank you for the video. I am considering this ADDA as well as the Lynx Aurora 24 or 32 ADDA. I do much business with Sweetwater and asked them why they don't sell this brand. They said the reliability and quality issues determined them to drop the line as you said. Not sure if I want to gamble on this based on this knowledge.
My Orion 32 has been pretty dang stable. But, I am looking to upgrade my to something else soon too. I still use mine every day with an avid HD Native Thunderbolt card. Which I do love because the latency is super low, and the delay compensation calculation works pretty great on big mixes that I also am using outboard gear on. But there’s been a small handful of times I lost work hours to having a call with support. I truly do believe Antelope wants to help. And they’ve always answered when I called support. But it’s still annoying to have to make those calls.
@@Matt_McQueen Thank you for the informative reply.
afx2daw crash validation on ventura...also unusable in logic...discreet good for tracking afx2daw useless.
I'm just going to stick with RME. Drivers are always good and updated in a timely manner. I'm still upset that my Aardvark interfaces are useless.
Every time I come across a video like this I wonder... why don't people simply use RME? I don't know every domain, so this is a real (not rhetorical) question.
I have the ZenGo and asked Antelope about selling it on and I was astonished at the reply...you have to give the buyer your account. Wish I would have known before I bought.
Ok, so you received a unit with a bad chip, were on the phone with support twice and praising the product. Wish I was as patient, mine is going on Reverb tomorrow along the hundred others of this unit. Total garbage drivers. Device gets lost every time Big Sur goes to sleep. I’m over it. Sounds great when it worked
What good are their plugins if you can't use them pre-recording in your DAW
You're right. Their support is great. They helped me instantly with my Orion Synergy Core.
The thing with the afx2daw ...it was a little marketing-accident I think that they sold it for this price. A few month later I've got it for free 'cause I bought a little afx package from them (which had the best compressors inside I've ever heard!).
The quality of their interfaces is absolutely amazing! Many studio people around me said, that they never heard such clearance and quality in a interface for this price.
The routing is ...how should I say it ...a little bit tricky. I needed some time to understand. But when you once have understood it and know what's to do, you would have a beast of an interface!
But... with other companies you might be more likely to never know if they had good support, because you never need one. (talking about brand new expensive interfaces, you know?) Besides, I own an Orion Studio, had problems with hard- as well as software. But... true! They do have good support. 🙂
I've had both ZEN TOUR 2017 and ZEN STUDIO+. No problem whatsoever.
Maybe it's because i'm not really into the DSP stuff (which i actually like, but rarely use and only during tracking) nor AFX2DAW, but i really love the ZEN STUDIO as a standalone digital mixer for multitrack recording and monitoring.
I think there's still room for a step up, in order to compete with RME or APOGEE in the pro and semi pro field (reliability, customer support, b2b and b2c, upgradability), but as far as audio quality goes, Antelope gear is top notch!
charging for AF2DAW is absurd. apollo doesn't charge for that feature and have had it since day one
Thanks for sharing your personal experiences with Antelope. Also, your channel is overdue for an update on the Zen Q.
I'm having so meny issues with AFX2DAW on Antelope Zen Go USB connected to a windows 11 I7-12700, 32GB RAM, 2TB SSD. Maybe the problem is not the audio interface, but I am absolutely not happy about AFX2DAW. Also the support support was not so good as it's been for you. The only good thing is that I am not a professional user, otherwisse I would have to sell it and buy another interface
Discrete 4 Synergy Core user, have never had a single issue with the product and the sound quality of Antelope interfaces is very good.. support also..Great !
I have been using the original Orion 32 for years without issue. I think it has acted strange a couple times but was fine after power cycling. Recently had to jump through some hoops after doing an OS upgrade. But it’s been nothing short of reliable for the past decade. Also customer support has been pretty good. Occasionally slow to respond, but they have always come though. In terms of bang for your buck, hard to beat.
I bought a synergy last year. I did have some issues, but as you said, the support was awesome. Sorted immedietly
Definitely the most controversial interfaces around. Glad to get your take on them :)
Antelope support has had to remote into my PC multiple times because their Control Panel doesn't install well with Windows, on 2 computers I've owned. Ready to move on and sell it on Reverb.
7/10/2023 today, Antelope Launcher updates something to new version, after update, "Failed to execute script main" when launching Control Panel for Orion32HD Gen3. Uninstall all drivers, reinstall, reboot, many times... can't get pat this error now. Lost all day in studio. Why do they use this Python crap, the dependencies REALLY suck! Not in the past, now today!
I use an Axino and have to say that for Antelope, there work software dilettants who don't know their job and produce tons of software problems (although the hardware is quite good). Also, the emulations of famous mics sound awful. No comparision to Townsend Sphere / UAD Sphere (which I ow too). I don't trust Antelope in any way. Don't trust software dilettants (of course the most notrious is Microsoft, but Antelope is also really bad regarding the software quality I saw).
Long time Antelope Audio who will stop using their product from their customer service and policy,
be aware that some products can be good, when issues will occur then you'll face the reality of their service. Just a warning.
AAudio has totally failed to make me loyal to their products, and I was willing to.
So how much did they pay you for damage control?
I think you’ve sold me on the zen go, I’ve been on the market for a new interface with solid sound that won’t break the bank. Thank you
I like my Zen Go. It’s simplistic and sounds great to me coming from Apogee Element 2/4 because Apogee was slow on their drivers.
It seems like the problems are with the thunderbolt/ macOS combination
I was informed by the tech department that their AFX2DAW can only be applied post recording. Basically I was told by their tech department that you can't use the AFX2DAW as a real-time plug-in in your DAW. It can only be used post recording.
That is correct. for AFX2DAW. But you can use any of their plugins that you own from within their console application during recording. When I would use my Zen Q at home to record vocals I would apply a 1073 EQ and 1176 compressor plugin just like I was tracking it at my commercial studio with outboard gear. But you also don't need AFX2DAW for that.
As I told their tech department I use other third-party plugins that work directly with my Daw so I get the full
Advantage of interacting special effects with my DAW on the fly in the same window.
Bouncing back and forth from Antelope software to logic software is a bit problematic. I prefer to have everything in front of me in one window.
From Spain. I have since September the Discrete 8, two Vergé microphones and an Edge Solo microphone. I have had a problem with the Vergé software. In 48 hours it was solved by the technical service. Very kind and offering to solve any problem that may occur.
A qué correo o.como te comunicaste con ellos?
All I have to say about Antelope is…Aardvark.
Dude this video just gave me wings. Just bought the Zen Q.