It is really good to see a pedal manufacturer playing competitors pedals to demonstrate a point and not even dropping a comment on how "his pedals would be better". It seems there are still some industries with a sense of community and appreciation for what everyone brings to the table with their products and innovations instead of the usual cut throat business attitudes. Made me feel good.
Absolutely spot on comment and great, honest reply from Brian. Just more proof that Brian doesn't just make incredible gear, he's pretty much a great guy. People like him deserve every success. :) And I have personally always run reverb last after everything as Brian shows here. No real technical reason to support this, but just that I have done that for decades. XD
This is in part why guys like Keeley and You and many others have had such success. The business is clearly built on the love for music, guitar and gear. The sincerity of it definitely shines through. I loved it when I saw Keeley posting his shopping cart on Sweetwater with Wampler pedals in it on the FB Wampler Tone Group page. Not only did he get them, he paid for them like the rest of us gear geeks, and then showed everyone how excited he was to get them. You guys have built a killer community a lot of businesses could learn from.
delay after reverb seems a little more ambient, the verb kinda blends the repeats for a spacey feel. delay before reverb retains clarity in the repeats while not being so wet on the reverb. very cool both ways.
Ive been using reverb las in chain for that holy mountain top, throne of the god of space sound. Thanks for solidifying that sound for me. Didn't want to mess around with the chain......
To my ears, the delay is more prominent when it is after reverb. With delay into reverb, the delay seems to get buried in the wash of the reverb (I always have some reverb on). And sometimes, that may be what you want. I have also experimented with one or the other or both in the effects loop; ended up putting them both in front. There are no standards for effects loops so you just have to try. The differences are quite slight. Just depends on what you want to hear.
Your actually right! I had my delays before the reverb, and it seems the delay was being washed out by the reverb. When I was playing the guitar intro of Eddie Van Halen, Dance the night away, the delay wasn’t prominent at all but when I put the delay after the reverb, I can hear the delay with clarity with the reverb.
thanks for this, exactly what I was looking for, I prefer reverb into delay because it makes the repeats of the delay softer and more natural, kinda like having extra reverb
Fascinating. I would have said delay into reverb every time, until I heard the difference. Now I plan to have a delay either side of the reverb section on my board.
It's all personal preference and it all depends on the instrument cable and the quality pedals you are using. I prefer delay last in the chain. It sounds more ambient after Reverb Pedal.
Man this is a tough one. They both sounds really good. Being completely objective here, the main difference I heard was reverb before delay had a “bigger” sound and the repeats were more pronounced. Delay before reverb had a softer sounding repeats but was very full and lush. Both are winners in my book and completely depends on the music you play and your playing style. I personally like verb first for swells and slide guitar. Ps, your clean guilting into amp sounds was very noice!
To all you people saying that delay into reverb is more natural cause it's a real life scenario, it's really the opposite in real life scenarios since echo has bigger reflection time gaps than reverberance- the one happening outside closed spaces, the latter in them.
Reverb is meant to mimic a real world environmental effect ("space"), while delay is a processing/time effect ("math"). In these setups, whichever comes last dominates, and personally I prefer reverb last because it creates the impression of your playing being situated in real space, while delay gives you a timed arrangement. I think that's the truth, though depending on your setting and the actual notes you are playing, the result can be way different.
Both are time effects. Reverb simulates, if digital, room ambience (a lot of mixed early reflections), delay simulates echoes- also a real life phenomenon.
Reverb into delay, all life long. You have to ear the echo when you turn the delay on, specially in a mix. Otherwise, Delay into reverb, it seams to ear some early reflections in a huge reverberation.
Simple, very helpful explanation, thanks. I'm a born again musician on guitar, originally a sax player, so an effects newbie. I have the Boss Katana Mark II amp, which has effects on board, but started building my pedal board. Had a looper and tube screamer; just got a reverb pedal--tc electronic Skysurfer--and I'm getting the tc electronic Prophet next week. Signal path isn't that hard to understand, at least for someone who originally played an acoustic instrument, but since I got the reverb pedal is has been reverb pedal first, then delay in the amp, and it kinda sucks to my ears. Your demonstration showed it's not just my settings, I really just don't like it. But when you flipped them around, I liked it. Even acoustically, reverb then delay doesn't make sense to me. One criticism though. Most of us have simpler pedals. My Skysurfer for example has Spring, Plate, and Hall only, and most amp reverbs are Spring, so it would be helpful in future videos like this if you were mindful of the fact most of us are playing on the most standard of standard equipment. On the other hand, it seems every other video they're using pedals which are hand built, brands we never heard of, so at least you used fairly budget friendly and recognizable gear.
delay into reverb. ya ya. reverb into delay. yada yada... its your amp that got my attention here. very very very nice tone. great work building that thing.
Your structure comes from the how the delay effects the notes you play decidedly more directly than the reverb. Reverb handles the tonal chunks of the delay much more efficiently than the delay processes the nondescript aspects of reverb. The wash of sound that you'd get with reverb into delay might be desirable if you want the sound there - but more as background to something else you might have going on. That's my take on it in any event. .
delay then reverb. I think delay first for the actual obvious delay and repeats and then the reverb for overall ambience and room or space. Seems to make sense for conventional sound and more natural. I liked reverb into delay also as an alternative to normal delay.
Interesting, In theory, and with "pure" delay and reverb, I don't think it would make a difference, since both effects are essentially the same and could even be composed into a single process. But if they do something extra (say it's an analog delay with a significant low-pass filter, or a reverb that adds modulation), then of course the order in the signal path could make a significant difference.
I have a Flashback (1st version) and a HOF2 I just got last week. I have been running the Flashback last forever For no other reason then I use its looper function every time i practice. I really need to get a proper looper so I can actually use my Delay more often.
I have a zoom pedal and they have reverb after delay... but i think sometimes it can sound cool, just based on the fact that if you use a long delay it's going to get muddy if you do reverb after, but it would just repeat the parts you play even with reverb, so it depends. Most important is probably how much feed back you have on either of the two
I personally agree that dely into reverb sounds more natural. My understanding was that, this is because of the physics of sound: that delay is intended to recreate an echo, or reflection, off one or two distinct surfaces in a space. Then, as the sound decays and diffuses, into the space, & off the majority of the sufaces: one would hear the resonant frequencies of the materials themselves, as they absorb the energy & vibrations from the air. Along with the fequencies perpetuated by the shape of the room via constructive feedback causing the space to reverberate, which is why we refer to it as 'reverb', recreating the natural ambience of the room. love to know others thoughs, and the contexts that the different setups might be better suited for.
Exactly, the way sound works naturally. (Thank you, was going to write it up). Now, if someone prefers REV into DL to create unnatural crazy stuff, it is also valid, like when using reverse reverb, Doepler effect, pitch shifting echoes, etc.
I tend to agree with you (as long as all modulation effects precede reverb/delay) That said, in some sense, though it technically isn't a modulation effect, echo/delay is a form modulation... Right? That said, I often wonder if it makes a difference, as long the end product is clean. In the end, it is a matter of preference. Very insightful video. Thank you for sharing.
I was surprised how similar they sounded. Think I'll go reverb at they end. Seems to make more sense reverbing a duplicate ratherthan duplicating the reverb. Thought he'd lose something but was all good!!??
🤓FROM WHAT I HEAR WITH EXPENSIVE HEADPHONES......REVERB GOING IN2 THE DELAY SEEMS 2 HAVE A BETTER WARMER SUSTAIN COMPRESSION EVEN SOUND & FEEL......A BETTER FLOW 🎸 A LITTLE BIT SOFTER LESS HARSHNESS BY 30% ish.👍GREAT DEMO THX😁
Lately I’m really enjoying plate reverb (from MXR M300) before delay. I have always placed reverb last, until now. Not sure how long I will bother with running reverb into delay before going back to my standard order.
good topic, typically we think reverb is last like the Reverb Tank in the amp... "HOWEVER" lol, you can use reverb for all kinds of things like a Slight thickener say, after Distortion & that gets Interesting... Remember ALL effects the Amount / Blend what ever, that Knob also goes to Zero. Not A Big Fan of Blatant Obvious Reverb, I like to Sneek it into a mix/chain. Try That mid stream & monkey with it...
Nice demo. Well, if you have a real reverb, for example you're in a concert hall, and then you have a delay pedal, that is a delay into reverb. I'll just mimic real life situation.
Seems to me that the repeats are a little more transparent/subtle when the reverb after the delay. Just depends on which you prefer, subtle, or in your face
If am amp with reverb on it then enters the hall and reflects back and then this is what an audience member hears, then that would be reverb into delay. If your amp has no reverb or effects loop, then to make that sound you would put reverb after delay and in this configuration it is like somebody hooked a delay to an amp that had reverb on it. In the second case you are trying to mimic what old guitar rigs had, but in the first case you are trying to mimic what a real concert hall might create as far as sound.
My instinct is delay into reverb as well. But it was very interesting to hear it run reverb into delay on lead riffs,, Did not like it much ether way on chords.
Have you ever heard of Devin Townsend? Awesome at everything musician, producer, composer, boat builder, He talks about this stuff all the time and I believe that he uses a delay - reverb - delay setup on a bunch of songs. I have tried this and it has a super cool effect, but I did have to tweak everything... I was about to give up when by luck I turned something the right way and i heard actual magic!!! Give it a shot.
@@genjitsu7448 i ve been raised into mountains till my 20s so I actually know how reverb and delay work when you yell stupid things into lonely valleys....the natural sound you get back is reverb first and then delays....so since my previous comment I set reverb>delay on my pedal chain and I'm in love. It simply resonates like truly organic....I will check the guy you told me ! Thanks for the hint man
@@tomz1989 Let me just say that if you like progressive rock you will love Devin Townsend. His voice is almost unparalleled in music it is so unique and capable and he is known as "Heavy Devy" due to his music and the way he sets up the guitars; what he calls a "wall of sound". Plus the guy is pretty funny in interviews and seems like a genuinely super cool guy. I hope you love it!
Both are time based but reverb is a bit more complicated than that actually. It’s delay reflections at certain intervals with each having certain eq and phase relationship
Reverb into delay kinda sounds like the reverb is gated. It sounded more articulated to me. I always thought delay into reverb had to be the right way because that's how it is in nature, but I liked it less in your comparison, it sounded more washed out.
That one is tougher to decide than the delay/reverb order. Default order would be reverb and tremolo after delay because that’s the order they would be in when using an amp with reverb and tremolo built in. Still I like to place my tremolo pedal in different spots in the signal chain.
Both ways are a bit disappointing to me. I use delay, trem, reverb, but the reverb won't punch much..trem last dominates too much. Oh to be a bass player....
I have a satchel poontang boomerang delay pedal going into a reverb thru the effects loop. But Every time I click on the delay I get a high pitch squeal. I tried reversing the order but same result. Do you know why or do I just have a broken delay pedal?
Hey, I'm not sure how much experience you have with these pedals, but I'll ask anyway: would you know if the OBNE Dark Star reverb would sound well going into a Strymon Deco? I'm interested in getting that pedal to sound stereo (only available in mono atm) by running it before the Deco, but I'm not sure effects wise how it would pan out.. would a slap echo delay be too much vice versa for a dark star being run before it in the chain? I'm asking here as it is relevant to this video but the DS is a bit more chaotic and harder to wheel in
Interesting, has anyone thought of that. Except you, I guess, split the signal into both then blend into the front of the amp. I would like to see that. Great idea.
Deluxe Memory Man, there are multieffects rack units that have it as an option. In addition, the tc electronic G-System and Nova System multieffects floor units offer it. There may be others that have it as an option, as well.
Love your pedals! Just got into your UA-cam channel which puts a smile on my face. Can you do a comparitive analysis of the TC T2 versus HoF? I wonder how similar they are internally (I have a T2).
Not really, that’s not how personal preference works. I can’t form your opinion for you, that’s on you. In the same way, I can’t tell you that pizza is great or terrible, it’s an opinion.
Hello Brian, I saw a video where you talked about the Blackstar amp you had. I cant remember what model that amp was and cant find the video . If you can please message or reply with what model amp it was I would greatly appreciate it. Think it was the HT-60??
Thanks Brian. Back to back:
2:30 reverb into delay
4:00 delay into reverb
It is really good to see a pedal manufacturer playing competitors pedals to demonstrate a point and not even dropping a comment on how "his pedals would be better". It seems there are still some industries with a sense of community and appreciation for what everyone brings to the table with their products and innovations instead of the usual cut throat business attitudes. Made me feel good.
Thanks.... I may have a pedal/amp brand, but I'm still a fan of other's pedals and guitar gear just like everyone else, and always will be :)
Absolutely spot on comment and great, honest reply from Brian.
Just more proof that Brian doesn't just make incredible gear, he's pretty much a great guy.
People like him deserve every success. :)
And I have personally always run reverb last after everything as Brian shows here. No real technical reason to support this, but just that I have done that for decades. XD
Wampler Pedals do you want me to buy your pedals? Because thats how you get me to buy your pedals!
This is in part why guys like Keeley and You and many others have had such success. The business is clearly built on the love for music, guitar and gear. The sincerity of it definitely shines through. I loved it when I saw Keeley posting his shopping cart on Sweetwater with Wampler pedals in it on the FB Wampler Tone Group page.
Not only did he get them, he paid for them like the rest of us gear geeks, and then showed everyone how excited he was to get them. You guys have built a killer community a lot of businesses could learn from.
Proves you have nothing to hide! :o)
I have the Pinnacle Deluxe and it just reinvented my playing, proper boutique!
For whoever doesn't want to watch the whole thing, 2:30 reverb into delay, 4:00 delay into reverb
Christopher Har V settle down dude
Yeah man...5:35 min of your life is just crazy to think about...pay unreal -edbasassmaster disapproves this turds message
Hero
I'm going to watch without delay !
First way seems better
delay after reverb seems a little more ambient, the verb kinda blends the repeats for a spacey feel. delay before reverb retains clarity in the repeats while not being so wet on the reverb. very cool both ways.
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4 years later ... yes
Thank you James for explaining what I was thinking.
6 years later … indeed
I have these exact two pedals, and was going to do this exact comparison for my own testing, but thought I'd see if it already existed. Thank you!!
delay into reverb is my preference also
Takes some serious confidence to play a competitor's pedals, Kudos, That's a complete win on so many levels.
There is nothing like the sound of a guitar into an amp at the edge of breakup with some nice reverb and delay on top. Heavenly.
Ive been using reverb las in chain for that holy mountain top, throne of the god of space sound. Thanks for solidifying that sound for me. Didn't want to mess around with the chain......
Thanks !!! I prefer the reverb into the delay
I actually love the reverb into delay! That way the repeats wont get lost. Great demo
Delay into reverb always. Thanks for the video
You, Sir, are a gifted man indeed. This is one of the best...if not THE best demonstration and education on Reverb and Delay I have seen!\. Bravo!
To my ears, the delay is more prominent when it is after reverb. With delay into reverb, the delay seems to get buried in the wash of the reverb (I always have some reverb on). And sometimes, that may be what you want. I have also experimented with one or the other or both in the effects loop; ended up putting them both in front. There are no standards for effects loops so you just have to try. The differences are quite slight. Just depends on what you want to hear.
Your actually right! I had my delays before the reverb, and it seems the delay was being washed out by the reverb. When I was playing the guitar intro of Eddie Van Halen, Dance the night away, the delay wasn’t prominent at all but when I put the delay after the reverb, I can hear the delay with clarity with the reverb.
thanks for this, exactly what I was looking for, I prefer reverb into delay because it makes the repeats of the delay softer and more natural, kinda like having extra reverb
Put a chorus between them. Reverb > Chorus > Delay gives a nice pad. Delay before reverb is cool, just balance at 50% wet/dry or gets mushy.
I've always read delay before reverb, but after hearing the test, I am a believer.
This guy has a company making pedals, yet he puts "competitors' " efect pedals in a video. What a legend :D
Fascinating. I would have said delay into reverb every time, until I heard the difference. Now I plan to have a delay either side of the reverb section on my board.
Both sound good. It’s personal preference. Great video comparing the set-ups. Thanks from NJ.
Brian, this new amp sounds incredible!!
Tom Quayle that was my take away also. I was like wow that sounds nice. I bet he could have used behringer pedals and sounded just as good.
Beringer, Realty. I don't have much knowledge on them, however for whatever reason i'm very hesitant.
The order of the pedals make complete sense to me now. Thanks Brian~!
It's all personal preference and it all depends on the instrument cable and the quality pedals you are using. I prefer delay last in the chain. It sounds more ambient after Reverb Pedal.
Man this is a tough one. They both sounds really good. Being completely objective here, the main difference I heard was reverb before delay had a “bigger” sound and the repeats were more pronounced. Delay before reverb had a softer sounding repeats but was very full and lush. Both are winners in my book and completely depends on the music you play and your playing style. I personally like verb first for swells and slide guitar. Ps, your clean guilting into amp sounds was very noice!
Beautiful sounds! Thank you!
Also worth noting how awesome those pedals sound and all the options are great.
To all you people saying that delay into reverb is more natural cause it's a real life scenario, it's really the opposite in real life scenarios since echo has bigger reflection time gaps than reverberance- the one happening outside closed spaces, the latter in them.
Reverb is meant to mimic a real world environmental effect ("space"), while delay is a processing/time effect ("math"). In these setups, whichever comes last dominates, and personally I prefer reverb last because it creates the impression of your playing being situated in real space, while delay gives you a timed arrangement. I think that's the truth, though depending on your setting and the actual notes you are playing, the result can be way different.
Both are time effects.
Reverb simulates, if digital, room ambience (a lot of mixed early reflections), delay simulates echoes- also a real life phenomenon.
Dekay into Reverb seems to be the best sound for me, more clarity with space. JMHO
I find the delay into reverb cleaner IMO. The other way it sounds muddied up more. I use a DRRI so reverb's always last! 😉
Marc LeBlanc I preferred it the other way, but for pretty much the same reason. So it’s good to hear everyone else is hearing what I’m hearing :)
Thank you ,love your pedals.
I prefer only one on at a time, seems to get too swampy for lack of a better word, great channel Brian, cheers
Reverb into delay, all life long. You have to ear the echo when you turn the delay on, specially in a mix. Otherwise, Delay into reverb, it seams to ear some early reflections in a huge reverberation.
Many of the Jazz Fusion guys out here in LA like reverb into delay (john zeigler...Jamie kime etc.) . I guess it depends on your ears
Simple, very helpful explanation, thanks. I'm a born again musician on guitar, originally a sax player, so an effects newbie. I have the Boss Katana Mark II amp, which has effects on board, but started building my pedal board. Had a looper and tube screamer; just got a reverb pedal--tc electronic Skysurfer--and I'm getting the tc electronic Prophet next week.
Signal path isn't that hard to understand, at least for someone who originally played an acoustic instrument, but since I got the reverb pedal is has been reverb pedal first, then delay in the amp, and it kinda sucks to my ears. Your demonstration showed it's not just my settings, I really just don't like it. But when you flipped them around, I liked it. Even acoustically, reverb then delay doesn't make sense to me.
One criticism though. Most of us have simpler pedals. My Skysurfer for example has Spring, Plate, and Hall only, and most amp reverbs are Spring, so it would be helpful in future videos like this if you were mindful of the fact most of us are playing on the most standard of standard equipment. On the other hand, it seems every other video they're using pedals which are hand built, brands we never heard of, so at least you used fairly budget friendly and recognizable gear.
I felt like reverb-into-delay was a bit richer. Amma go for that one 👍
thanks to all of you here on the channel for the pro tips ;)
delay into reverb. ya ya. reverb into delay. yada yada... its your amp that got my attention here. very very very nice tone. great work building that thing.
Cool thanks! I'm about to go switch mine now.
Great demo and explanation on the fx, .... you answered some questions I had, thanks..and beautiful tone bro !!!
Your structure comes from the how the delay effects the notes you play decidedly more directly than the reverb. Reverb handles the tonal chunks of the delay much more efficiently than the delay processes the nondescript aspects of reverb. The wash of sound that you'd get with reverb into delay might be desirable if you want the sound there - but more as background to something else you might have going on. That's my take on it in any event.
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Brian there are no wrong notes it sounded cool to me (jazz head) can't wait to order that amp
My God Brian, your new amp sounds so freakin good. That thing sounds so thick and rich. You've got me Gas-ing for one now thanks to this video...lol
Great new intro! And very usefull video😉
Great video! I like to run my reverb last too.
"Wrong note" the #1 guitarist quote of all time.
I've always done delay into reverb. Sometimes two delays into reverb. But for me the reverb is what ties it all together.
i love your toneee
delay then reverb. I think delay first for the actual obvious delay and repeats and then the reverb for overall ambience and room or space. Seems to make sense for conventional sound and more natural. I liked reverb into delay also as an alternative to normal delay.
I can see the appeal of reverb into delay, but, i still prefer delay into reverb. But, great demo, and kudos for using other pedals!
Interesting, In theory, and with "pure" delay and reverb, I don't think it would make a difference, since both effects are essentially the same and could even be composed into a single process. But if they do something extra (say it's an analog delay with a significant low-pass filter, or a reverb that adds modulation), then of course the order in the signal path could make a significant difference.
I have a Flashback (1st version) and a HOF2 I just got last week. I have been running the Flashback last forever For no other reason then I use its looper function every time i practice. I really need to get a proper looper so I can actually use my Delay more often.
Thanks! Great playing
I have a zoom pedal and they have reverb after delay... but i think sometimes it can sound cool, just based on the fact that if you use a long delay it's going to get muddy if you do reverb after, but it would just repeat the parts you play even with reverb, so it depends. Most important is probably how much feed back you have on either of the two
I personally agree that dely into reverb sounds more natural. My understanding was that, this is because of the physics of sound: that delay is intended to recreate an echo, or reflection, off one or two distinct surfaces in a space. Then, as the sound decays and diffuses, into the space, & off the majority of the sufaces: one would hear the resonant frequencies of the materials themselves, as they absorb the energy & vibrations from the air. Along with the fequencies perpetuated by the shape of the room via constructive feedback causing the space to reverberate, which is why we refer to it as 'reverb', recreating the natural ambience of the room.
love to know others thoughs, and the contexts that the different setups might be better suited for.
Exactly, the way sound works naturally. (Thank you, was going to write it up). Now, if someone prefers REV into DL to create unnatural crazy stuff, it is also valid, like when using reverse reverb, Doepler effect, pitch shifting echoes, etc.
That flashback pedal sounded so fucking good holy shit!!!
I tend to agree with you (as long as all modulation effects precede reverb/delay) That said, in some sense, though it technically isn't a modulation effect, echo/delay is a form modulation... Right? That said, I often wonder if it makes a difference, as long the end product is clean. In the end, it is a matter of preference. Very insightful video. Thank you for sharing.
Gracias por el demo.
I love the delay into reverb.:)
I was surprised how similar they sounded. Think I'll go reverb at they end. Seems to make more sense reverbing a duplicate ratherthan duplicating the reverb. Thought he'd lose something but was all good!!??
whichever sounds better
Delay into reverb is full of emotion.
🤓FROM WHAT I HEAR WITH EXPENSIVE HEADPHONES......REVERB GOING IN2 THE DELAY SEEMS 2 HAVE A BETTER WARMER SUSTAIN COMPRESSION EVEN SOUND & FEEL......A BETTER FLOW 🎸 A LITTLE BIT SOFTER LESS HARSHNESS BY 30% ish.👍GREAT DEMO THX😁
Great vid as always.
I agree with you.
Lately I’m really enjoying plate reverb (from MXR M300) before delay. I have always placed reverb last, until now. Not sure how long I will bother with running reverb into delay before going back to my standard order.
good topic, typically we think reverb is last like the Reverb Tank in the amp... "HOWEVER" lol, you can use reverb for all kinds of things like a Slight thickener say, after Distortion & that gets Interesting... Remember ALL effects the Amount / Blend what ever, that Knob also goes to Zero. Not A Big Fan of Blatant Obvious Reverb, I like to Sneek it into a mix/chain. Try That mid stream & monkey with it...
both sound usable
Nice demo. Well, if you have a real reverb, for example you're in a concert hall, and then you have a delay pedal, that is a delay into reverb. I'll just mimic real life situation.
to me the rule is this; the first pedal in the chain will have the dominant sound, the effect will be more upfront than the next effect.
Great tone
Haha...it's not a wrong note...it's a key change!... sideways glance... Ahem...
Seems to me that the repeats are a little more transparent/subtle when the reverb after the delay. Just depends on which you prefer, subtle, or in your face
I usually run my reverb into delay, but thats because its a dd7 and it has a loop so if i want to do fancy stuff
Gesha Flucks Junya Run a flanger into that loop and you'll be rewarded!
If am amp with reverb on it then enters the hall and reflects back and then this is what an audience member hears, then that would be reverb into delay. If your amp has no reverb or effects loop, then to make that sound you would put reverb after delay and in this configuration it is like somebody hooked a delay to an amp that had reverb on it. In the second case you are trying to mimic what old guitar rigs had, but in the first case you are trying to mimic what a real concert hall might create as far as sound.
My instinct is delay into reverb as well. But it was very interesting to hear it run reverb into delay on lead riffs,, Did not like it much ether way on chords.
Always run reverb after delay, but I may give a try swap them opposite way...in any case, the last pedal gets the strongest effect.
Have you ever heard of Devin Townsend? Awesome at everything musician, producer, composer, boat builder, He talks about this stuff all the time and I believe that he uses a delay - reverb - delay setup on a bunch of songs. I have tried this and it has a super cool effect, but I did have to tweak everything... I was about to give up when by luck I turned something the right way and i heard actual magic!!! Give it a shot.
@@genjitsu7448 i ve been raised into mountains till my 20s so I actually know how reverb and delay work when you yell stupid things into lonely valleys....the natural sound you get back is reverb first and then delays....so since my previous comment I set reverb>delay on my pedal chain and I'm in love. It simply resonates like truly organic....I will check the guy you told me ! Thanks for the hint man
@@tomz1989 Let me just say that if you like progressive rock you will love Devin Townsend. His voice is almost unparalleled in music it is so unique and capable and he is known as "Heavy Devy" due to his music and the way he sets up the guitars; what he calls a "wall of sound". Plus the guy is pretty funny in interviews and seems like a genuinely super cool guy. I hope you love it!
Reverb is just delay with a short repeat time (
Both are time based but reverb is a bit more complicated than that actually. It’s delay reflections at certain intervals with each having certain eq and phase relationship
in a reverb, only the early reflections are short delays, but the reverb is "diffusion", not repetition.
I like it both ways, ac/dc man
Reverb into delay kinda sounds like the reverb is gated. It sounded more articulated to me. I always thought delay into reverb had to be the right way because that's how it is in nature, but I liked it less in your comparison, it sounded more washed out.
How about tremolo before or after delay!
That one is tougher to decide than the delay/reverb order. Default order would be reverb and tremolo after delay because that’s the order they would be in when using an amp with reverb and tremolo built in. Still I like to place my tremolo pedal in different spots in the signal chain.
@@brianrodman1033 and fx loop brings different flavor
Both ways are a bit disappointing to me. I use delay, trem, reverb, but the reverb won't punch much..trem last dominates too much. Oh to be a bass player....
So, by using reverb and delay, you create a stereo effect. Great for a monophonic synthesizer!😊😊😊😊😊😊
I have a satchel poontang boomerang delay pedal going into a reverb thru the effects loop. But Every time I click on the delay I get a high pitch squeal. I tried reversing the order but same result. Do you know why or do I just have a broken delay pedal?
I’m not sure without diving down into the exact setup. Best thing to do is contact the company that makes it and ask them to troubleshoot it with you
That intro hit me like a truck
Hey, I'm not sure how much experience you have with these pedals, but I'll ask anyway: would you know if the OBNE Dark Star reverb would sound well going into a Strymon Deco? I'm interested in getting that pedal to sound stereo (only available in mono atm) by running it before the Deco, but I'm not sure effects wise how it would pan out.. would a slap echo delay be too much vice versa for a dark star being run before it in the chain?
I'm asking here as it is relevant to this video but the DS is a bit more chaotic and harder to wheel in
Mr. Wampler, there is a third option, and that is delay and reverb in parallel. Maybe you can make a video of that.
Interesting, has anyone thought of that. Except you, I guess, split the signal into both then blend into the front of the amp. I would like to see that. Great idea.
Deluxe Memory Man, there are multieffects rack units that have it as an option. In addition, the tc electronic G-System and Nova System multieffects floor units offer it. There may be others that have it as an option, as well.
Thanks, Have been looking at those effects and the cost has kept me away. Bills come first.
Seriously have looked at the nova system. Nice.
Reverb into delay sounds like Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas to me
Delay > Chorus > Reverb
I also prefer delay into reverb.
Great video !!
Reverb rules, so last in chain
Love your pedals! Just got into your UA-cam channel which puts a smile on my face. Can you do a comparitive analysis of the TC T2 versus HoF? I wonder how similar they are internally (I have a T2).
I have a sneaking suspicion they are the same.
Delay#1!🎉
This 'personal preference' stuff is just the same than daying 'I actually don't know' !
Not really, that’s not how personal preference works. I can’t form your opinion for you, that’s on you. In the same way, I can’t tell you that pizza is great or terrible, it’s an opinion.
I'm currently running reverb1 into gain stages, into delay1, into modulations, into delay2, into reverb2. I'm never at a loss for variety, you know?
In this video you liked Reverb into Delay
ua-cam.com/video/njb3_ZEmOf8/v-deo.html
Delay > reverb = echos
Reverb > delay = clouds
Fame into flash sounded like you were in a canyon but flash into fame sounded like you were in an amphitheater
Delay goes into reverb. This makes a lusher reverb.
Hello Brian,
I saw a video where you talked about the Blackstar amp you had. I cant remember what model that amp was and cant find the video . If you can please message or reply with what model amp it was I would greatly appreciate it. Think it was the HT-60??