Best tip for ANY bosses out there, take a note from Dave interacting with his employee, he asked how he knew so much and followed it up with a compliment stating he's so much further ahead of the curve. No it's not a huge let me stop what I'm doing to say this but something that builds confidence in that employee in passing conversation. Small steps lead to big leaps
AMEN to that! I couldn't tell you how many times growing up I'd be cussed out & put down by a boss, usually in front of EVERYONE too. It wasn't a motivator in the slightest! I developed resentment, and certainly didn't put my best foot forward after that! Was that way for me for YEARS in the beginning of my working career in many different industries.
For many decades, we had work trucks and vans with big... no turbo... V6 and V8 Chevies, GM's and Fords with four speed transmissions we drove 300k miles with almost no problems. Ran the hell out of them. Faithful as the sunrise. Just basic maintenance. I miss those basic vehicles that didn't need three computers to diagnose and fix. Sure they guzzled gas, but they worked every time, all day, every day. All you had to do was keep them maintained.
The first electrical contractor I worked for had a '62 Chevy panel truck, straight 6 with 3 on the tree. I took that truck in for an oil change (this was in 1968) The oil filter was packed solid with sludge but that truck was used everyday and ran like a champ. There's no telling when the oil had been changed last.
The 11-14 Raptors (some F150s) came with the 6.2L BOSS, an extremely reliable old school V8. The trans was extremely reliable too (1 part that is a 2 hr job if it fails). Guzzles gas, but extremely reliable. That engine was in every gas F250-350 from 11-21. No one complains about it.
I'm still driving my '01 Duramax. I don't want to drive a computer on wheels with all the nonsense sensors and cameras. I'm 68 and behind the wheel I'm still competent in keeping it between the lines.
I do missions work, and I had just finished my Spanish lesson this morning when I found this video. Hearing the tech say, "same color as me!" had me almost falling out of my chair. It is great to see these kids doing what I used to do as a 4x master tech. I rolled my Snap On box out the door in 2000 with the intent to fly for MAF. I ended up flying jets for a charter company, instead. Dave, you are a good shepherd.
Finally! A true diagnostician tackling the class action lawsuit 10r80 problem! Same exact work performed on mine to no avail. If this Raptor comes back, inspect the oil cooler bypass in the valve body. Dave is always all about the root cause, not the symptoms, and many believe thats the culprit but until now nobody credible has verified it. At low temps, the tcm follows one set of shift map, but the solenoids are getting different pressures because the bypass is allowing partial flow. The symptom is hard shifts, which smokes the clutches and drum. By then its too late.
Yes, it's the same issue Chevy transmission are dealing with. A customer I helped. I told him to get the transmission cooler bypass kit installed as soon as possible or you will be doing another transmission soon.
Needs the new revised CDF Drum and outer shell for the 10R80 10 speed. The F clutch is getting caught into impressions the clutch makes on the shell teeth, causes shifts to get stuck until it releases. Bushing has probably moved out of location as well This is also the shared 10 speed between Ford and Chevy. Tahoe's and Silverados having issues too
I was a vehicle engineer (VEV) for Ford Performance for the 2017 Raptor launch. I feel these guys' pain. I spent a lot of seat time and miles with a computer, recording weird shifting events with that 10R tranny. We also had a programmer that could look at the data, make an adjustment, flash the computer on the fly. Good and fun times!
@cptspinach my 07 jgc Laredo just hit 240k she still runs amazing I’ve changed transmission fluid once @115K planning on doing another one soon how crucial is it to change transmission fluids?
Incredible direct communication with the clients, asking them the questions you need to know for diagnosis and walking them through it. Even these phone conversations are a science and this is what we need technicians talking to clients. Especially when clients are very particular or worried about the integrity of their vehicle
I always add a heavy duty transmission fluid cooler to my trucks. Manufacturer sets you up to fail with inadequate cooler. Overheating is the number one reason for transmission failure. Ask Dave.
Simple Yet BEST advice on the entire comment section. Appreciate this golden nugget piece about the cooler, Others will benefit from knowing it. An aluminum oil pan Ive seen available would add to this, plus the drain plug component.
By pass the original cooler. They have caused more transmission failures here in NZ than the built in trans fails 🤫 Big fan of this channel. There is no such thing as a trans flush, it is totally bullshit. How can you reverse flush a trans filter. Just a rip off. 🤭
The design of the 10r80 trans cooler appears to be biased for faster warm up than cooling. It’s a trans fluid to engine coolant heat exchanger instead of oil to air cooler.
For a few years I pulled a 10k fifth wheel camper with a 3.5ecobst w/10r80. Never had any trans temperature issues, unloaded it ran 205deg, with the camper 215deg. Pretty impressive capability for a half ton..but I couldn't keep an alternator in the dang thing and parts were always 2 states away when I was hours from home...so it went by-by
My thought is the manufacturer is mentioning the "flashing" of the fluid because these transmissions run much hotter than in days past - that's my guess, anyway. I wonder why that is? Thinner fluid would be my first guess. Thinner for max MPGs - not max longevity! That's the way things roll in the 21st century. Also looks much more sparkly than I have ever seen in any vehicle at that mileage. Back in the day we never serviced transmissions! Only when there was a problem a hundred thousand plus miles down the road, lol! I can recall seeing lots of clutch material in the bottom of the pan, but the fluid was (some of the time) as red as the day it went it. Still worked, though! Times have changed ... and not for the better in most cases regarding automaking! You've got a GREAT group of guys here, Dave - an absolute GOLD MINE of knowledge, dedication, and GOOD SOULS! You lucky ... guy! 😁
The hard shifts, delayed shifts, neutral outs are all COMMON issues with the 10R80 10 speed trannys in Expeditions & F150's. Needs a new updated CDF drum From Ford. They redisigned it because they know the original is faulty. To add: Nothing will fix it unless a new UPDATED Ford CDF drum is installed. Any services performed beforehand will NOT fix the concern. Customers main complaint was most likely not corrected after the tranny services performed here.
Sounds like GM tranny's in the 80's. Here's this great new transmission, but it has a lot of problems and it's up to you the customer and your shop to fix them. Make it out of warranty and it's not our problem.
Yes, customer typically ends up saddled on a FIX of the inherent issue. At least we know what the issue(s) that needs addressing. Appreciate this golden nugget piece about the drum, Others will benefit from knowing it.
I have a 2019 expedition and it shift hard or bangs up into 6 gear. I just make sure I have a Ford extended service plan that will cover transmission repairs/replacements in the future as I KNOW it will need it
Gotta check for TSB Dave! Known issues within that build range. The flush has only bandaged the symptoms it will indeed need the update CDF. The bushing slides and cannot be fixed with fluid or computer management.
Need a new CDF drum, a new anodized transfer shell, clear the adaptive learning for the transmission and also disable the adaptive learning. You can do that with the forscan program.
10R80’s are such a great example of cut corners. Rough shifts, clunks in gears, bad drums, horrible transmission tuning, whiny ass gears, a cheap plastic pan, all in the name of “fuel economy and efficiency”
They fixed 90% of those problems in 2022, except for the computer that learns driving habits. For instance, if you drive like a hellion for 500 miles, and all of a sudden start driving like grandma, the transmission will bang gears like you are taking off. Now this can be reset, but they should of never had that feature. My 10spd on my late model 22 is great.
@@learningthehardwaythat’s the thing with mine; you take off hard from the light like three times and now its banging into third and jumping into sixth.
My 2011 F350 6.7L I had it at the dealership several times for a very hard shift from 2nd to 3rd on occasions. They did a reflash several times and it would go away then it would start up again. I did the Fluid exhchange at 50K they highly recommended (At a very high price, out of warrenty). At 80 the Tranny Detonated so hard it blasted the case and cracked it all around. 7K later, I had a new transmission and ford said so sorry, wouldnt take ownership even though I had some service infomation. So with that being said I would recommend replace it with a heavy duty better manufactured transmission.
My 2009 expedition tows 9200lbs...while not a big boy like u got....it runs perfect @272k... And I paid 2k for the whole truck 4 months ago.. Can't imagine...what the Xtra towing capacity costs....50-80-100k... More.. to keep up..best of luck🎉
@@HANZELVANDERLAAY in Dec 2010 I paid new off the lot 29K. For the Exact same truck (XLT+ with chrome package and 4x4 off road) it would be 88,900.00 when I built it on the Ford Site. So being Retired I just fix when needed. Have replaced EGR, EGR Cooler, Injector harness misrouted on install, Tranny and Turbo. All except EGR Cooler were on my dime. Ford would not take ownership of any of it.
Despite known issues with 10R80, I have 2017 F150 3.5 ecoboost with 76,000 miles, recent drain and fill preventive maintenance and have had no issues with transmission. This was one of first trannys off the production line. Some short towing with 11,000 lb trailer, and fair bit light duty tow less than 3000 lbs trailers.
I agree that for an unknown transmission drain and fill is safer than flushing. And filter change as well. Unless your trans is like the one in my Chevy Traverse that is only replaceable but dropping the trans and splitting the case.
Flash point means that an oil gets hot enough to emit vapor that can be ignited with an external heat source. If the tranny fluid is reaching the flash point, the tranny is toast. The flash point of tranny fluid is 300 F to 380 F, depending on the ATF formulation. The brown color is from oxidation as the additives are used up with use. Nice plastic oil pan Ford.
On the 10R80s Not only does the known CDF drum bushing spin causing various shifting issue, the clutch planetary cylinder we call the “trash can” bc of its obvious shape will also get deep groves in it from the F clutches and will cause F clutch application issues. Also seen E clutch seal(s) issues and A clutch snap ring become dislodged ( mainly seen in 10R60) - I am personally a 10R80 fan. I know I know all the guys at the shop give me crap about it too. - I have seen people put tuners on the 10Rs allowing the transmission to go through all the gears and no skip shifting and have better luck with the transmissions also * both the CDF and clutch planetary cylinder “trash can” have been redesigned with updated part numbers.
@@johnriley7053real ford 10r80s guy know😎. Tranny flush n filter wont do a thing until u fix cdf. Also there is a TSB for this concern as well. Research tsb 23-2123. New procedures for 21+ f-150s are a joke too. The cdfs ultimately junk. No doubt about it
I just had my Town and Country van serviced on Dec. 31,2024. It had 55,000 miles on it. Not serviced at 30,000 by previous owner. Had a gasket leak also. New trans filter installed. I can tell the difference so far is positive. The fluid wasn't very dirty. Now coolant will be flushed and changed soon. I read the manual for it. 60,000 miles/10 year or what comes first. I also will flush it by through the Trans coolant line when or if I do flush it next time. I understand the not to use the high-pressure flush by dealer. These types are great even for the person needs to know. Even if they can't do it themselves. It is resourceful.
Caden is definitely a sharp mechanic, and how did he know about color change due to temperature cycles of the ultra low viscosity transmission fluid, Technical Bulletins that’s how, the young man can and does read.
Thanks for saying NO FLUSH WO FILTER. People wonder why transmission fails after flush, when filter granaids. Then they say transmission flushes are bad 😞
My 10r80 would hang onto first gear and then it would kick into second very hard. It was like getting kicked in the back. Valve body and reflash solved that issue. Ford needs to issue an extended warranty on these transmissions because they can be so troublesome.
Hello my name is Jeremy I wanted to tell you I follow your channel and I wish I had the courage to do what you have done I really enjoy watching your videos and I have learned a lot from you so thank you and have a happy new year
If it’s an automatic it starts red unless it’s cvt (majority of the time is amber), manual (majority take gear oil that is normally a light amber), or some redheaded step children if transmissions like ASMT’s or Dual clutch (majority of the time take low viscosity gear oil that is a light amber). Well, we also can’t forget the weird Toyota one that randomly changes to purple after 10k miles.
First and foremost I love your channel. You and your team are the best. And this owner spent how much on this Raptor. I guess it’s about ego. I will keep my daily driven beautiful 1998 Chevy Silverado Z71 (supposedly stock?and quiet)aka sleeper. I got less money into it compared to a new Rapter. I will pull the frame out from under this Raptor. Fix your own and not waste a $100 thousand dollars. We have alot of Raptors here sitting in used car lots.
LOL This a typical comment form someone who is broke and has no money for anything nice. People with money don't care about what a vehicles cost....They get rid of them after a few years anyway who wants to drive and old shit box Um none.....
Transmission flushes scare the crap out of me i understand doing it to a truck around 30k miles but ive seen vehicle's have around 65 to 70k miles on them and get a flush then the tranny starts slipping. I always would just do a drain and fill but i would remove the pan and change the filter you definitely get more old fluid out that way too. But im by no means a professional mechanic more of a diy guy so im bot saying im right just going by what ive seen in my experience.
I like drain and fill too with a filter change. Especially when a lot of these trans now have “lifetime fluids”. A drain and fill should be more than sufficient including a new filter to filter contaminants
I had a mechanic friend tell me that if you add Lucas soon enough you can save a slipping trans. I had a P30 Fed Ex truck that I put 300k hard miles on and never had an issue with the trans. I added Lucas to the engine every month, too, and my only issues were the clutch fan, once and a few fuel pumps.
The flush is done with the same ATF that it normally runs. The fluid return line from the cooler goes into the waste oil drum until the colour changes to the fresh fluid. The return line is then reconnected to the transmission and it is topped up. They don't run a flushing fluid through it at all.
As long as the fluid doesn’t smell burnt, the fluid isn’t heavy on the glitter or have metal shaving then a fluid change is fine. I personally prefer drain and fill or fluid exchange (depends on the trans setup) if they are a decent amount of miles past the recommendation instead of a flush. The old recommendation of never flush/change old fluid is because there may be gunk or clutch material on the gears that is actually helping it shift and if it gets removed and you may end up showing an issue that wasn’t a problem yet. A perfect example would be a worn gear The gear may not slip yet because the built up material may help it grab the other gears more effectively. So if that is the case and it’s removed it appears as you broke their transmission when in reality it was damaged it just wasn’t showing the signs yet. New fluid is going to add the missing viscosity so further damage doesn’t occur and get the thermal stability back up so you’re not burning fluid off. The pressure from the flush could possibly remove or disturb the built up fluid. Also, I wouldn’t recommend never replacing your transmission filter. However, doing it each fluid change (especially on a low mileage recommendation where you’re changing the fluid 3-4 times by 100k miles) is overkill and comparing the trans filter to an engine oil filter is not accurate. The conditions the fluids are exposed to and filter design are completely different meaning there is not as much to be filtered out. I’d say every other change at the most is acceptable for the majority of transmissions.
Last two Ford expeditions I rented had shifting issues, sometimes complete loss of power for about 5 seconds. One had under 5000 miles and the other 7000. I almost lost control of it because I was on a steep hill with a curve, it was as of the vehicle paused itself. I won't rent another expedition and it's unfortunate because we liked the truck itself.
I had a 2017 Ford F150 that the transmission would shift funky. Come to find out I had a miss fire. Miss fire was fixed. Transmission shifted good after that.
Just had my 2018 RDX transmission fluid changed at the dealer since it was there for a fuel pump recall, and it seemed to be shifting a little rough. It runs/shifts much better but now, I'm nervous reading all the comments here lol 😆
Low viscosity trans fluid, if the vehicle is new. Drop that fluid at 3,000 miles, & every 30,000 after. And make sure the place that does it actually DROPS the pan. As well as let's the vehicle idle for 20 minutes before driving it, this way the fluid can get through the entire system.
Spark plugs at under 70k is a little ambitious. Pretty sure those are 90k plugs unless they changed something. I got lazy and finally changed mine at 140k. Stupid big gap but still completed combustion with no misfire. Ever. Someone on here mentioned the commonplace occurrence of funky shift on these trans. I have the older 6-speed version and recently had to do the internal solenoid harness replacement TSB and had the dealer reflash for me. Couldn’t believe I didn’t have slipping problems after replacing 10 qts and the filter after 130k with zero trans flushes. People complain about technology in vehicles nowadays and how much “easier” things used to be to work on. Could very well be because you had to work them all the time so mechanics were very proficient. 😂
Do your maintenence they may say that fluid is good for such and such miles but the truth new fluids are getting thinner to meet emissions crap and it doesn't last as long plus use a good fluid like ams oil or other very trusted and proven fluid
Needs a new transmission, then the trans adaptation needs reset. Way too many of these transmissions failing. We work on these all the time. Stupid 10 speeds, absolutely worthless having more than 6 speeds.
I had a raptor and mine did the same hard shifting. It was scary, felt like the tranny was about to come apart. I goosetuned it wit winfields tcm flash and it helped.
@YZJB Just because the same factory or company makes something doesn't mean everything is the same. The products can be built to different specefications and thereby different quality levels. P66 spec sheet says it is full synthetic while motorcraft ULV is semisynthetic so that right there shows it's not the same oil. Be neat to see an oil analysis of the two oils.
Ford ten speeds are well known for hard up or hard down shifts. Erratic not constant or consistent. The transmission cds drum up until late 22 is softer than the the clutches damaging the drum and increasing the frequency of hard changes
9:25 that honestly looks like regular break-in wear… And I honestly just did an oil change without a filter… I couldn’t get the damn thing off so I’m only doing a 1/2 interval and bringing it back to have the guy take the filter off himself. I’m 35, when I was his age, if I was into something and had a good job, I’d read everything I could on everything too. It’s how you do a thorough job. I was into cars as a kid and could name any car by the headlights or taillights, interior, basically anything down to tire size within reason. I read many magazines when I was a kid, couldn’t do anything else, but I could identify cars no problem.
I have a 10sp change the transmission fluid and filter at 20k the first time. Every 30-40 after that. In my experience the first change will be the darkest.
So let me understand this…..A 2022 with 60k miles which is out of warranty. The dealer who are factory trained tech DIDN’T know what the codes meant??? The trans has never had a service at that mileage and they didn’t recommend the whole laundry list of miantanance??? Gotta love these dealers….
I have the same kind of issue. Mine feels like it’s stud in gear, almost like you left it in first in a manual transmission. It killed my engine when I came to a stop. 2024 f150 with same engine and tranny. No codes
Best tip for ANY bosses out there, take a note from Dave interacting with his employee, he asked how he knew so much and followed it up with a compliment stating he's so much further ahead of the curve. No it's not a huge let me stop what I'm doing to say this but something that builds confidence in that employee in passing conversation. Small steps lead to big leaps
AMEN to that! I couldn't tell you how many times growing up I'd be cussed out & put down by a boss, usually in front of EVERYONE too. It wasn't a motivator in the slightest! I developed resentment, and certainly didn't put my best foot forward after that! Was that way for me for YEARS in the beginning of my working career in many different industries.
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Olight have head torches 🤔
Well that man might be a nice person to begin with, but when u know your on camera are always going to be even nicer
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For many decades, we had work trucks and vans with big... no turbo... V6 and V8 Chevies, GM's and Fords with four speed transmissions we drove 300k miles with almost no problems. Ran the hell out of them. Faithful as the sunrise. Just basic maintenance. I miss those basic vehicles that didn't need three computers to diagnose and fix. Sure they guzzled gas, but they worked every time, all day, every day. All you had to do was keep them maintained.
The first electrical contractor I worked for had a '62 Chevy panel truck, straight 6 with 3 on the tree. I took that truck in for an oil change
(this was in 1968) The oil filter was packed solid with sludge but that truck was used everyday and ran like a champ. There's no telling when the oil had been changed last.
The 11-14 Raptors (some F150s) came with the 6.2L BOSS, an extremely reliable old school V8. The trans was extremely reliable too (1 part that is a 2 hr job if it fails). Guzzles gas, but extremely reliable. That engine was in every gas F250-350 from 11-21. No one complains about it.
Abolish the EPA
@@2AToday I’m sure Donald will assign that to DOGE…!
I'm still driving my '01 Duramax. I don't want to drive a computer on wheels with all the nonsense sensors and cameras. I'm 68 and behind the wheel I'm still competent in keeping it between the lines.
I do missions work, and I had just finished my Spanish lesson this morning when I found this video. Hearing the tech say, "same color as me!" had me almost falling out of my chair. It is great to see these kids doing what I used to do as a 4x master tech. I rolled my Snap On box out the door in 2000 with the intent to fly for MAF. I ended up flying jets for a charter company, instead. Dave, you are a good shepherd.
That had you falling out of your chair?
Finally! A true diagnostician tackling the class action lawsuit 10r80 problem! Same exact work performed on mine to no avail. If this Raptor comes back, inspect the oil cooler bypass in the valve body. Dave is always all about the root cause, not the symptoms, and many believe thats the culprit but until now nobody credible has verified it. At low temps, the tcm follows one set of shift map, but the solenoids are getting different pressures because the bypass is allowing partial flow. The symptom is hard shifts, which smokes the clutches and drum. By then its too late.
Seems everything in the 2020's is designed to fail, right from the start!
Yes, it's the same issue Chevy transmission are dealing with.
A customer I helped. I told him to get the transmission cooler bypass kit installed as soon as possible or you will be doing another transmission soon.
So glad to see a young tech that listened in class and did his homework. This young man will go far and be very productive.
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Needs the new revised CDF Drum and outer shell for the 10R80 10 speed.
The F clutch is getting caught into impressions the clutch makes on the shell teeth, causes shifts to get stuck until it releases.
Bushing has probably moved out of location as well
This is also the shared 10 speed between Ford and Chevy. Tahoe's and Silverados having issues too
I was a vehicle engineer (VEV) for Ford Performance for the 2017 Raptor launch. I feel these guys' pain. I spent a lot of seat time and miles with a computer, recording weird shifting events with that 10R tranny. We also had a programmer that could look at the data, make an adjustment, flash the computer on the fly. Good and fun times!
We blame you! 😂
@cptspinach my 07 jgc Laredo just hit 240k she still runs amazing I’ve changed transmission fluid once @115K planning on doing another one soon how crucial is it to change transmission fluids?
@@MichaelConnelly-b5z 😜
@@lstruggy I'd follow OEM recommendations, but I'm not sure Jeep expected that truck to last this long! haha
@@cptspinach 🤪 she’s a keeper!
Incredible direct communication with the clients, asking them the questions you need to know for diagnosis and walking them through it. Even these phone conversations are a science and this is what we need technicians talking to clients. Especially when clients are very particular or worried about the integrity of their vehicle
I was waiting for the cold shifting question. Some programs hold the 1-2 shift until the fluid reaches a set temperature.
Except they are the experts and no nothing about the CDF Drum
I always add a heavy duty transmission fluid cooler to my trucks. Manufacturer sets you up to fail with inadequate cooler. Overheating is the number one reason for transmission failure. Ask Dave.
Simple Yet BEST advice on the entire comment section.
Appreciate this golden nugget piece about the cooler, Others will benefit from knowing it.
An aluminum oil pan Ive seen available would add to this, plus the drain plug component.
By pass the original cooler. They have caused more transmission failures here in NZ than the built in trans fails 🤫 Big fan of this channel. There is no such thing as a trans flush, it is totally bullshit. How can you reverse flush a trans filter. Just a rip off. 🤭
The design of the 10r80 trans cooler appears to be biased for faster warm up than cooling. It’s a trans fluid to engine coolant heat exchanger instead of oil to air cooler.
For a few years I pulled a 10k fifth wheel camper with a 3.5ecobst w/10r80. Never had any trans temperature issues, unloaded it ran 205deg, with the camper 215deg. Pretty impressive capability for a half ton..but I couldn't keep an alternator in the dang thing and parts were always 2 states away when I was hours from home...so it went by-by
I love these useful comments that can save a huge headache for customers and techs alike
Absolutely!
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Dave, how’d you miss the CDF Drum??
I take pictures of the DTC's and text them to my customer. Customers love to be informed on the progress of their vehicle.
If I ever have a problem with my vehicles I would have it fixed by you guys you guys seem very good at your jobs you guys are awesome
My thought is the manufacturer is mentioning the "flashing" of the fluid because these transmissions run much hotter than in days past - that's my guess, anyway. I wonder why that is? Thinner fluid would be my first guess. Thinner for max MPGs - not max longevity! That's the way things roll in the 21st century. Also looks much more sparkly than I have ever seen in any vehicle at that mileage. Back in the day we never serviced transmissions! Only when there was a problem a hundred thousand plus miles down the road, lol! I can recall seeing lots of clutch material in the bottom of the pan, but the fluid was (some of the time) as red as the day it went it. Still worked, though! Times have changed ... and not for the better in most cases regarding automaking!
You've got a GREAT group of guys here, Dave - an absolute GOLD MINE of knowledge, dedication, and GOOD SOULS! You lucky ... guy! 😁
The hard shifts, delayed shifts, neutral outs are all COMMON issues with the 10R80 10 speed trannys in Expeditions & F150's. Needs a new updated CDF drum From Ford. They redisigned it because they know the original is faulty. To add: Nothing will fix it unless a new UPDATED Ford CDF drum is installed. Any services performed beforehand will NOT fix the concern. Customers main complaint was most likely not corrected after the tranny services performed here.
Sounds like GM tranny's in the 80's. Here's this great new transmission, but it has a lot of problems and it's up to you the customer and your shop to fix them. Make it out of warranty and it's not our problem.
Yes, customer typically ends up saddled on a FIX of the inherent issue.
At least we know what the issue(s) that needs addressing.
Appreciate this golden nugget piece about the drum, Others will benefit from knowing it.
I have a 2019 expedition and it shift hard or bangs up into 6 gear. I just make sure I have a Ford extended service plan that will cover transmission repairs/replacements in the future as I KNOW it will need it
Mustangs too, most of my problems are fixed by a KAM reset but the 10R TCM just does dumb stuff all the damn time.
Just paid for my trans to be replaced due to this!! Cdf failure will happen soon on that truck. Any of them pre 23 will fail. Just a matter of time.
"Sometimes you just gotta be a chill guy" 😂 Alejandro is the man lol, Caden too!
Gotta check for TSB Dave! Known issues within that build range. The flush has only bandaged the symptoms it will indeed need the update CDF. The bushing slides and cannot be fixed with fluid or computer management.
F clutch also impresses into the shell teeth and sticks in between shifts
One thing good of a transmission fluid bath, is the long lasting smell...😁😁😁
Ford parts guy here. We probably fix 15-20 of these 10 speeds every month. For various complaints.
Might as well upgrade the pan to a PPE pan with more capacity and eventually will need a cdf drum upgrade as well.
What would more capacity do to prevent a hardware issue?
@@KZ-qs4rwnothing
Lots of upgrades available for these ten speeds
Need a new CDF drum, a new anodized transfer shell, clear the adaptive learning for the transmission and also disable the adaptive learning. You can do that with the forscan program.
What is the benefit of disabling adaptive learning?
@@roamwashington2230 Stop the shifting from jerking going into the next gear.
10R80’s are such a great example of cut corners.
Rough shifts, clunks in gears, bad drums, horrible transmission tuning, whiny ass gears, a cheap plastic pan, all in the name of “fuel economy and efficiency”
NAILED IT 🎯
They fixed 90% of those problems in 2022, except for the computer that learns driving habits. For instance, if you drive like a hellion for 500 miles, and all of a sudden start driving like grandma, the transmission will bang gears like you are taking off. Now this can be reset, but they should of never had that feature. My 10spd on my late model 22 is great.
@@learningthehardwaythat’s the thing with mine; you take off hard from the light like three times and now its banging into third and jumping into sixth.
GM doesn't use a plastic pan
Better than the 6l80 and 8l90e transmissions
My 2011 F350 6.7L I had it at the dealership several times for a very hard shift from 2nd to 3rd on occasions. They did a reflash several times and it would go away then it would start up again. I did the Fluid exhchange at 50K they highly recommended (At a very high price, out of warrenty). At 80 the Tranny Detonated so hard it blasted the case and cracked it all around. 7K later, I had a new transmission and ford said so sorry, wouldnt take ownership even though I had some service infomation.
So with that being said I would recommend replace it with a heavy duty better manufactured transmission.
My 2009 expedition tows 9200lbs...while not a big boy like u got....it runs perfect @272k...
And I paid 2k for the whole truck 4 months ago..
Can't imagine...what the Xtra towing capacity costs....50-80-100k...
More..
to keep up..best of luck🎉
@@HANZELVANDERLAAY in Dec 2010 I paid new off the lot 29K. For the Exact same truck (XLT+ with chrome package and 4x4 off road) it would be 88,900.00 when I built it on the Ford Site.
So being Retired I just fix when needed. Have replaced EGR, EGR Cooler, Injector harness misrouted on install, Tranny and Turbo. All except EGR Cooler were on my dime. Ford would not take ownership of any of it.
Despite known issues with 10R80, I have 2017 F150 3.5 ecoboost with 76,000 miles, recent drain and fill preventive maintenance and have had no issues with transmission. This was one of first trannys off the production line. Some short towing with 11,000 lb trailer, and fair bit light duty tow less than 3000 lbs trailers.
Happy New Year, Dave and the team!🍻
Happy new year! Thanks for watching🎉
I agree that for an unknown transmission drain and fill is safer than flushing. And filter change as well. Unless your trans is like the one in my Chevy Traverse that is only replaceable but dropping the trans and splitting the case.
My 2011 f 150 5.0 6 speed. 245k still a beast. Original transmission... the ford 6 speed was amazing
I am amazed by how many Ford customers choose the ecoboost over the 5.0 V8
Flash point means that an oil gets hot enough to emit vapor that can be ignited with an external heat source. If the tranny fluid is reaching the flash point, the tranny is toast. The flash point of tranny fluid is 300 F to 380 F, depending on the ATF formulation. The brown color is from oxidation as the additives are used up with use. Nice plastic oil pan Ford.
Caden should get a raise.
On the 10R80s Not only does the known CDF drum bushing spin causing various shifting issue, the clutch planetary cylinder we call the “trash can” bc of its obvious shape will also get deep groves in it from the F clutches and will cause F clutch application issues. Also seen E clutch seal(s) issues and A clutch snap ring become dislodged ( mainly seen in 10R60) - I am personally a 10R80 fan. I know I know all the guys at the shop give me crap about it too. - I have seen people put tuners on the 10Rs allowing the transmission to go through all the gears and no skip shifting and have better luck with the transmissions also * both the CDF and clutch planetary cylinder “trash can” have been redesigned with updated part numbers.
I assume gen2 raptor has this transmission, where can I find the turner you are stating? The shift skip is dumb
@ I only have dealt with a few customers on this and I believe COBB tuning was used. ( customer I have in mind was a raptor owner also )
Dave and Scotty Kilmer are the dad/grandad I never had. I've learned so much about diagnosing and working on cars from watching their videos.
Gotta be a chill guy!!!!! 😎
Happy new year to you dave and everyone at daves auto!
Dave ,,,, we need doctors like you ,
Happy New Year to our American cousins 👍🏻👍🏻🇬🇧
Happy New Year from CT
Happy new year!!
Happy New Year's Dave!
Happy New Year, please keep up the fantastic work.
Cdf drum
Nailed it. Gonna happen to every last one >12/22 build date.
@@johnriley7053real ford 10r80s guy know😎. Tranny flush n filter wont do a thing until u fix cdf. Also there is a TSB for this concern as well. Research tsb 23-2123. New procedures for 21+ f-150s are a joke too. The cdfs ultimately junk. No doubt about it
@@johnriley7053
How do these chaps miss that
Hi Dave community Happy New Year everyone🎉
From South Africa.😊
Happy New Year to you! 👋
Dave you just seem like your a fun to be around all the time.
Love the Grandpa mode! 😂
I just had my Town and Country van serviced on Dec. 31,2024. It had 55,000 miles on it. Not serviced at 30,000 by previous owner. Had a gasket leak also. New trans filter installed. I can tell the difference so far is positive. The fluid wasn't very dirty. Now coolant will be flushed and changed soon. I read the manual for it. 60,000 miles/10 year or what comes first. I also will flush it by through the Trans coolant line when or if I do flush it next time. I understand the not to use the high-pressure flush by dealer. These types are great even for the person needs to know. Even if they can't do it themselves. It is resourceful.
When the owner and shop foreman can walk away from operations to do this type of thing, you know things are going well and teamwork is solid.
I’ve worked at a handful of shops and USMC, I’d definitely work for Dave.
Caden is definitely a sharp mechanic, and how did he know about color change due to temperature cycles of the ultra low viscosity transmission fluid, Technical Bulletins that’s how, the young man can and does read.
Meanwhile I have almost 500,000 miles on my Jeep Cherokee Xj....4.0-AW4 LAST FOREVER.....
Hi ! Thanks for your videos !
Happy new year !
Hello from France .
Hello there!
Thanks for saying NO FLUSH WO FILTER. People wonder why transmission fails after flush, when filter granaids. Then they say transmission flushes are bad 😞
My 10r80 would hang onto first gear and then it would kick into second very hard. It was like getting kicked in the back. Valve body and reflash solved that issue. Ford needs to issue an extended warranty on these transmissions because they can be so troublesome.
Ford dealer replaced my 10r at 40k miles for same symptoms. No questions asked.
Heard rumor of internal harness signal problems(big plastic/harness/unit) unit not fomoco available aftermarket only for now.
Hello my name is Jeremy I wanted to tell you I follow your channel and I wish I had the courage to do what you have done I really enjoy watching your videos and I have learned a lot from you so thank you and have a happy new year
Thanks for the kind words, Jeremy! I appreciate you watching.
Yep, bushing slipped in CDF drum. Already had mine rebuilt Under warranty for same thing.
I just learned something new about tranny fluid I always thought it was red until now thanks for all the info you are passing on
its still red .hand
@@David-q4h5r it's still red
If it’s an automatic it starts red unless it’s cvt (majority of the time is amber), manual (majority take gear oil that is normally a light amber), or some redheaded step children if transmissions like ASMT’s or Dual clutch (majority of the time take low viscosity gear oil that is a light amber). Well, we also can’t forget the weird Toyota one that randomly changes to purple after 10k miles.
Sometimes you have to be a chill guy and clean up!
Alejandro is the guy in the shop who makes a meme his personality for a week
...bery good!
Alejandro is the man 😊
Alejandro is just a chill guy
You blurred out licenses place in the oarking lot but showed it on the lift in shop 😄
First and foremost I love your channel. You and your team are the best. And this owner spent how much on this Raptor. I guess it’s about ego. I will keep my daily driven beautiful 1998 Chevy Silverado Z71 (supposedly stock?and quiet)aka sleeper. I got less money into it compared to a new Rapter. I will pull the frame out from under this Raptor. Fix your own and not waste a $100 thousand dollars. We have alot of Raptors here sitting in used car lots.
LOL This a typical comment form someone who is broke and has no money for anything nice. People with money don't care about what a vehicles cost....They get rid of them after a few years anyway who wants to drive and old shit box Um none.....
Transmission flushes scare the crap out of me i understand doing it to a truck around 30k miles but ive seen vehicle's have around 65 to 70k miles on them and get a flush then the tranny starts slipping. I always would just do a drain and fill but i would remove the pan and change the filter you definitely get more old fluid out that way too. But im by no means a professional mechanic more of a diy guy so im bot saying im right just going by what ive seen in my experience.
I like drain and fill too with a filter change. Especially when a lot of these trans now have “lifetime fluids”. A drain and fill should be more than sufficient including a new filter to filter contaminants
I had a mechanic friend tell me that if you add Lucas soon enough you can save a slipping trans.
I had a P30 Fed Ex truck that I put 300k hard miles on and never had an issue with the trans. I added Lucas to the engine every month, too, and my only issues were the clutch fan, once and a few fuel pumps.
The flush is done with the same ATF that it normally runs. The fluid return line from the cooler goes into the waste oil drum until the colour changes to the fresh fluid. The return line is then reconnected to the transmission and it is topped up. They don't run a flushing fluid through it at all.
As long as the fluid doesn’t smell burnt, the fluid isn’t heavy on the glitter or have metal shaving then a fluid change is fine. I personally prefer drain and fill or fluid exchange (depends on the trans setup) if they are a decent amount of miles past the recommendation instead of a flush. The old recommendation of never flush/change old fluid is because there may be gunk or clutch material on the gears that is actually helping it shift and if it gets removed and you may end up showing an issue that wasn’t a problem yet. A perfect example would be a worn gear The gear may not slip yet because the built up material may help it grab the other gears more effectively. So if that is the case and it’s removed it appears as you broke their transmission when in reality it was damaged it just wasn’t showing the signs yet. New fluid is going to add the missing viscosity so further damage doesn’t occur and get the thermal stability back up so you’re not burning fluid off. The pressure from the flush could possibly remove or disturb the built up fluid. Also, I wouldn’t recommend never replacing your transmission filter. However, doing it each fluid change (especially on a low mileage recommendation where you’re changing the fluid 3-4 times by 100k miles) is overkill and comparing the trans filter to an engine oil filter is not accurate. The conditions the fluids are exposed to and filter design are completely different meaning there is not as much to be filtered out. I’d say every other change at the most is acceptable for the majority of transmissions.
@@chrispy104k I know that. The problem is when you get rid of the old fluid you are getting rid of the particles that keep the clutches from slipping.
Happy new year great team
Happy new year
Last two Ford expeditions I rented had shifting issues, sometimes complete loss of power for about 5 seconds. One had under 5000 miles and the other 7000. I almost lost control of it because I was on a steep hill with a curve, it was as of the vehicle paused itself. I won't rent another expedition and it's unfortunate because we liked the truck itself.
I had a 2017 Ford F150 that the transmission would shift funky. Come to find out I had a miss fire. Miss fire was fixed. Transmission shifted good after that.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL 🎉🎉
This thing is going to be around for a good time not a long time..!
Been there, done that.... 😢
Just had my 2018 RDX transmission fluid changed at the dealer since it was there for a fuel pump recall, and it seemed to be shifting a little rough. It runs/shifts much better but now, I'm nervous reading all the comments here lol 😆
That Jeep is nice!
Get a pair of old socks cut 6 inches off and make wrist bands then the oil will not run down your arm.
Then you have to walk around with old socks on your arms😂 Get a head band to match
Low viscosity trans fluid, if the vehicle is new. Drop that fluid at 3,000 miles, & every 30,000 after. And make sure the place that does it actually DROPS the pan. As well as let's the vehicle idle for 20 minutes before driving it, this way the fluid can get through the entire system.
Spark plugs at under 70k is a little ambitious. Pretty sure those are 90k plugs unless they changed something. I got lazy and finally changed mine at 140k. Stupid big gap but still completed combustion with no misfire. Ever. Someone on here mentioned the commonplace occurrence of funky shift on these trans. I have the older 6-speed version and recently had to do the internal solenoid harness replacement TSB and had the dealer reflash for me. Couldn’t believe I didn’t have slipping problems after replacing 10 qts and the filter after 130k with zero trans flushes. People complain about technology in vehicles nowadays and how much “easier” things used to be to work on. Could very well be because you had to work them all the time so mechanics were very proficient. 😂
Ecoboost is hard on plugs. Manufacture recommended interval is ridiculous.
Can't stress the importance of hearing protection even with the fluid evacuator and cordless tools.
All the noises add up!
You really need a full bubble-suit
@mojo4376 I really need to not be a depressed and deaf old man someday. I dunno about you but if I lost my hearing it would be devastating.
@@calvinculpalt Also, better to take simple, easy, cheap precautions now than be on the hook for many thousands for hearing aids someday.
Would have loved to have seen a confirm drive to see if the problem was resolved. Condition cause correction confirm.
Appreciate the feedback 👍
Wish I could replace the filter on my Ford, but with the 8F35 you have to pull the transmission and split the case to get to the internal filter.
Would love to see your monthly statement from Worldpac. Bet you guys spend a ton there lol. We love their OEM parts stock
Happy New Year everyone.
I had my transmission flush twice before changing the filter at 180,000 miles.
I'm at 236,000 and still going strong
Do your maintenence they may say that fluid is good for such and such miles but the truth new fluids are getting thinner to meet emissions crap and it doesn't last as long plus use a good fluid like ams oil or other very trusted and proven fluid
Needs a new transmission, then the trans adaptation needs reset. Way too many of these transmissions failing. We work on these all the time. Stupid 10 speeds, absolutely worthless having more than 6 speeds.
I had a raptor and mine did the same hard shifting. It was scary, felt like the tranny was about to come apart. I goosetuned it wit winfields tcm flash and it helped.
Need to add some work lights on stands to light up the underside of vehicles when working on them?
Does the condition happen in all drive modes?
These 10 speeds perform much better if you have all of the OEM fluid changed ASAP and replace it with full synthetic. It helps tremendously
What do you think of Phillips 66 ULV?
@@machine7767that will be the same fluid as Motorcraft. P66 makes Motorcraft oils and fluids.
@YZJB Just because the same factory or company makes something doesn't mean everything is the same. The products can be built to different specefications and thereby different quality levels. P66 spec sheet says it is full synthetic while motorcraft ULV is semisynthetic so that right there shows it's not the same oil. Be neat to see an oil analysis of the two oils.
From a consistency standpoint, why was the license plate blurred in one shot, but in none of the rest? Seemed odd to me.
Like the videos, Thanks!
Rare miss Dave- the CDF drum needs to be replaced for sure
That young ford mechanic on yt “flying wrenches” has a great video on repairing these older 10r80’s
С тем что описал Дэйв надо было снимать гидравлический блок ( блок мозгов) коробки передач и смотреть его. Проблема скорее всего в нём.
Ford ten speeds are well known for hard up or hard down shifts. Erratic not constant or consistent. The transmission cds drum up until late 22 is softer than the the clutches damaging the drum and increasing the frequency of hard changes
The Ecoboost vehicles been recalled
9:25 that honestly looks like regular break-in wear…
And I honestly just did an oil change without a filter… I couldn’t get the damn thing off so I’m only doing a 1/2 interval and bringing it back to have the guy take the filter off himself.
I’m 35, when I was his age, if I was into something and had a good job, I’d read everything I could on everything too. It’s how you do a thorough job. I was into cars as a kid and could name any car by the headlights or taillights, interior, basically anything down to tire size within reason. I read many magazines when I was a kid, couldn’t do anything else, but I could identify cars no problem.
No info after the service? Did it do anything? Wth
These videos are getting worse by the day unfortunately!
Whats his saying? The four c’s? Wheres the 4th C.
@john-rossharring9442 #4 - Confirmation will come in future update.......maybe! Or when the guy comes back for the new updated CDF drum with a rebuild
@7:35 Suck-O-Matic! I love those things!
Looks more like bushing wear. That color is bushings. The gold color
We get it, the fluid flashes lol
Flashing point? Pretty sure thats a term used to refer the temperature the fluid can ignite in air
I have a 10sp change the transmission fluid and filter at 20k the first time. Every 30-40 after that. In my experience the first change will be the darkest.
Hi Dave,
Do you worry about flushing material into other parts of the transmission by performing a flush? I've just seen this be very debatable online
So let me understand this…..A 2022 with 60k miles which is out of warranty. The dealer who are factory trained tech DIDN’T know what the codes meant??? The trans has never had a service at that mileage and they didn’t recommend the whole laundry list of miantanance???
Gotta love these dealers….
They prob told him the trans was cooked
Did you check the throttle position sensor? I always check the TPS on any shifting issue.
It should have a drain plug and an external spin on filter.
I have the same kind of issue. Mine feels like it’s stud in gear, almost like you left it in first in a manual transmission. It killed my engine when I came to a stop. 2024 f150 with same engine and tranny. No codes
That the same plate that is redacted earlier in the video😮