As an American owner of a 2023 Mach-e it's interesting to see that Bluecruise operates differently here. In the US Bluecruise can change lanes. Simply press the indicator to tell the car which direction to go, it checks the surroundings for safety and switches lanes all on its own. It will even prompt the driver that a lane change is possible if the cruise is set to say 70mph but that car ahead is only going 55mph and the surroundings are clear it pings a little chime and message on the dash.
@@ayeameen And not just that, it nags you to apply "torque" to the wheel -which can be dangerous if you happen to torque it too much -which cancels autosteer and swerves in that direction. Damn scary!
Long answer short: No. Tesla FSD is quite literally so far ahead it's the difference between night and day. Ford has simply improved driver-assist, a vastly simpler challenge, and in no way comparable.
That fact that Ford is charging a subscription for this level of tech is embarrassing. Adaptive cruise control combined with lane-keeping assist has be around for years.
Big issue. It would be the only car to keep the speed limit. Other cars will overtake you to get in the safety distance you are keeping ahead. ANd, knowing Italians, they would never use, let alone pay, for a self driving car.
This has nothing to do with Tesla FSD. With FSD you are at point A and you tell the car to go by itself to point B. No road type limitations. What you are demonstrating with the Mustang is called Autopilot by Tesla. It is available since day 1 at no additional charge and it works on all kinds of roads as well with obviously some limitations on winding roads. I use it every day since I bought my M3 4 years ago. The change lane assistance is an option. So, nothing miraculous, a kind of limited Autopilot 😊
Yes, I don't get why people do not understand the difference to be honest. It is impossible for anyone to catch up with Tesla's lead on this, but it will be possible for them to licence the software if Elon feels like not being a monopoly.
Difference being the hands-off is legal and there is some shift of liability. Also this is allowed in EU where Tesla Autopilot is very restricted as Tesla does not comply with safety management and liability insurance as Ford, Mercedes and BMW do.
@@jonevansauthorit means that the EU has assessed Tesla's technology and deemed it inferior to the others. Only Mercedes has Level 3 autonomous drive which has been approved. Tesla has only Level 2+.
So the Tesla part of the title was just bait? Autopilot does all of this. It also works on any road, adapts to changes (construction), and is included for free with the purchase. The only advantage Blue Cruise has is hands free verses resting your hand on the wheel.
Another good one! ….am I the only one who has considered how hard it is to stay awake on the highway? Seriously now, this is why autopilot from any brand must be as foolproof as possible. It’s hard enough to stay awake when you’re 100% in charge of your vehicle. Folks are gonna nod out waaaay easier with autopilot. And please, I know responsible humans are supposed to pull over and rest. That usually doesn’t happen unless we catch ourselves nodding off. For the fifth time. Still, GO Fully Charged and GO Ford!!!
Only ONE things is being done better here. Ford’s only party trip here is hands off and eyes on under INCREDIBLY limited circumstances. It won’t even change lanes by itself on the motor to go around slower traffic or take an interchange.
Thats great. The problem with Tesla's EAP (got it on model 3) that it basically doesn't work in Europe. Apart from requiribg hands on the wheel it also requires confirmation of lane change and it performs it with some hesitation which actually is confusing for the other drivers. It also performs the lane change first and then slowly accelerates - it is the opposite of assertive - which equals less safe.
The title asks, "did Ford just overtake Tesla’s self-driving tech?" Where in this video is the Mach-E autonomously navigating city streets, stopping at lights, handling turns and roundabouts, changing lanes, etc.? You know, the things you see routinely in all of the FSD Beta videos on UA-cam. Maybe I missed that part of this video.
Nice tech. I wish Ford well with it. It's certainly ahead of Tesla getting on (some) roads in the UK. On that point, I attended your FCL show in Vancouver in September. I drove from Calgary in my Tesla Model 3 using FSD the whole way. It handled the highway, passing cars and even re-routed me when it saw construction had halted traffic. It also drove itself through Vancouver. I'd never been there in my Model 3 before either. Ford has a long way to go yet.
Tesla does more. You do not need to steer to change lanes, and tries to change lanes if the car in front is going slower than the speed limit. I know this because I have a tesla with FSD in the UK. This is a watered-down autopilot. Plus with tesla it works on normal road at a limited capacity
For tgeography-challenged Torontonians in the audience, that distance is 973 km, a 10-hour drive, or as long as it takes to drive from Union Station to Hamilton (but no Torontonian admits that steenkeeng Hamilton is part of the GTA!)
Sorry but jack does thorough car reviews , points out any potential weak points and issues he encounters. As much as I like watching Rob , his reviews of EVs are basically, this is the range , charging speed, size of battery, and it's fantastic because it's electric. People want unbiased reviews of cars so it helps them make a decision if that vehicle is for them , would suit their family etc . When was the last time you heard Rob say, the range is poor by today's standards, charging speed poor?
@@davefitzpatrick4841 Jack is far too immature. I stopped watching the car reviews with him in shortly after he started doing them. Would be nice to have Robert back again instead of him.
@@GaryV-p3h - Jack... immature? Really? Compared to Robert, with his goofy voices and faces? Don't get me wrong, I like Robert's style... it's fun- and I've been a fan since the Carpool days and have been subscribed to the Fully Charged and Everything Electric channels from day one of each. But Jack is mature well beyond his years as is his presentation style. It's still fresh and fun, but is in no way immature. Indeed, while I was very saddened to see Jonny Smith leave the show, I feel Jack is as good a replacement as we could have hoped for.
Lexus hottest feature 20 years ago they called it adaptive cruise control + lane assist. When I had this I didn't pay an extra penny on a monthly basis so....... yeah
@@recursiv if you think it's that amazing then u haven't drove the lexus 600h. I wasn't comparing b.t.w My comment was just highlighting that it's not new
“It keeps itself absolutely spot on in the middle of the lane” that’s actually one of the things I dislike about the Tesla - I wish it would nudge to the side of the lane if I have an empty shoulder on one side and an 18 wheeler on the other.
I'd like to be able to nudge mine out of the gutter. When I can see potholes ahead on Broken Britain roads, I just have to brace myself for the inevitable smack on the suspension.
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck I think what we need in Broken Britain is a mini digger, set of road cones, some hi-vis and a hard hat (obviously!) and a few buckets of instant tarmac in the frunk. That's the only way to improve the ride here. :D
I've used this for around 1k total miles now, and it does work surprisingly well! I was also quite surprised how much more chill it was for long motorway drives. It's particularly great for stop start traffic too! It wasn't something I really considered when I bought the car though, so maybe the lack of expectations played a part in it being a neat addition? It's worth bearing in mind that the standard lane assists and whatnot don't require the subscription - it's the entirely (legal) hands free that's the extra bluecruise-y bit. As for the title - Tesla are still ahead in terms of raw tech, but Ford beat them to legal hands free in the UK. Which mostly boils down to playing ball with regulators.
To be honest, I think the Adaptive Cruise Control provides about 80-90% of the benefit on stop-start traffic... you're not going to be changing lanes much (probably), and the effort required to actually steer is pretty minimal... but having the car automatically slow down when the car in front does (and then automatically speed back up, when the car in front does) is a definite boon - and makes it much easier / safer to look around and maintain 'situational awareness' because you don't need to worry about missing the first signs that the car in front is braking, etc)
When *any* sort of "full self driving" (be it Ford, Tesla or whoever), can cope with: a) the Arc De Triomphe in Paris; b) a Mumbai rush-hour, and c) really bad weather, all with no driver input; then and only then will I call it "full self driving" in fact. Otherwise it's just an enhanced form of cruise control.
The hands-on self-driving comes standard and it also really works very well. It looks like exactly the same but with hands on AND it also works on smaller roads, as long as there's decent markings. I totally agree that my main complaint is @6:33 where you change to a lane that's free ahead of you and it just jolts. That's even the case on the slowest car setting (Whisper). It also happens when everyone is in the overtaking lane and slow lane is empty. So being a good driver, I want to go in the slow lane as I'm done overtaking....then the car decides hey lets speed up race style to your set speed. It's dangerous as now you're illegally overtaking on the inside. Similarly, in bumper to bumper traffic, often working in accordion, the Mach-E will pedal to the metal when the guy in front of you takes off. And you know that there will be a stop soon so you do take over to not have an accident. It is really really frustrating that we cannot decide on aggressiveness. I love speed but being aggressive like that is irresponsible. Changing desired distance setting doesn't help at all for my first mentioned situation. In the second situation, the only way it will accelerate slower is if you're on max distance and that distance is so far that the car behind you will honk or think you're on the phone. If they can fix that it would be awesome. There's a bit too much babysitting otherwise. And a little annoyance I have is if you eg. set it at +5km/h compared to speed limit, it will adapt to the speed limit. So I'm set 120km/h + 5km/h. Suddenly there's a short section that goes to 100km/h. Does the Mach-E add the +5? Nope. They just disappear. You're there at 100, you have to manually change to 105. When it goes back to 120, again it stays at 120 instead of 125. These small babysitting adjustments are those make you almost not want to put it in. In simple assist mode I like how it helps you steer right in the middle. If you get a bit close to the lane it will gently turn the steering, feeling similar as if it's slightly banked pushing you back into the center. That also feels so natural and nice. If I can add one more thing I wish they would change. Charging has this smart feature where you can set when you leave for work and it will prepare your car for charging/heat etc. It can for example bypass the hours you let it charge so you get your set charge limit at the time of departure. Now, my work scheduling doesn't have any set time where I leave so I haven't set any, meaning it shouldn't prepare anything. I also still don't have any level 2 charging. I just charge at 1kW (enough for my needs). For some reason there's a code in the software that if your charging takes more than 24h to get to the set limit (80% for me) then it will bypass the hours you let it charge. I don't understand the logic. I have 0 scheduling set. I just charge slowly and it will say "charging outside of hours to meet scheduling" or something like that. This has lead me buy a mechanical timer so it cuts power outside of the hours. A bit annoying. But I love the car. Super fast. The slowest mode on the GT we have is even too fast at times. I wish there was a more gentle version.
The fact that it is overtaking on the wrong lane is a serious bug to me. I guess i comes from the US where that is legal. But in Germany it is not. That in combination with the agressive accelarion when it things there is enough space is really, really dangerous as others do not expect that to happen.
Regarding jolting when changing lanes, even my ice car does that on adaptive cruise control, as soon as you indicate to change lanes it starts accelerating and sometimes that causes problems (if you have to abort the lane change for example). I guess it's just a software thing though and can be improved.
I found assist mode (lane keeping) in the Mustang really annoying, compared to the Hyundai I normally drive. It felt like I was constantly fighting it.
Besides not having to nudge the wheel every minute or so, I fail to see what's better about this than what's included (with no subscription) in the EV6 and Ioniq 5...
HDA II also changes lane for you. my ioniq 5 P 45 drives itself on most motorway journeys. I use the hands free time to make better road observations. @@StuartJ
So this is just hands free Active Cruise Control? I find in my RAV4 if I just put a bit of pressure on the steering wheel, e.g. rest my hand on the bottom it stays on for hours. Use it all the time and love it - you feel so refreshed after a long trip compared to accelerating/braking etc.
The issue I see with the Tesla setup is it does not control the areas that you can put the self driving system on (domain), and to add to the issues, the interior cabin camera has been modified to try and work as a Driver State Monitoring DSM/DMS. It does not work effectively in all conditions, but it MUST as it's Safety Critical for handover when the system can't cope. This is why DSM is part of Euro NCAP and in the Moving Forward Act in the USA and part of Euro regs from next year. The Ford Blue Cruise and GM Super Cruise have great domain control, and dedicated class leading DSM.
It should be an absolute legal requirement for autopilot mode for any road vehicle to be equipped with lidar, radar, a visual recognition system (cameras), gps and an inter-vehicle communication system. What Tesla does with their system to cheap out is absolutely despicable. The network should also be government-run and open-sourced with anonymous data collection. Safety should never be undercut.
I am deeply uncomfortable with paying for something the car can already do. The idea that "you only pay for the months when you need it" is backwards. You are being denied access to a feature that's already in your car, on all the months you don't pay
Yes. Although to be fair, BlueCruise is not "self-driving," just a very good ADA package -much better than Tesla's EAP, in my experience. Maybe in the UK its functions are limited, but I believe on this side of the pond, the car can still do "lane keep/lane centering/adaptive cruise control" on other roads WITH your hands on the wheel. Even better, you can still steer the car, say, to swerve around road kill if necessary, without turning "lane keep" off. It just continues to center in the lane once the roadkill is behind you. I wish my Tesla would do that!
@@SideQuestStijn Don't confuse Autopilot. Advanced Autopilot. FSD Beta and Full FSD. All very different. This is motorway only so it's not the "US level" FSD Beta. Not even close.
It is absolutely self driving. It is just doing so in a specific situation and there are multiple levels to self driving. They aren't claiming it is level 5.
Till till a sensor or component fail or some dumbass screws up the software update, as a gamer I call the software update being the first failure, after any update you know there's going to be bugs and to find another game to play for a few days till all the screaming ends and the bugs are fixed.......finding them at highway speeds after being lulled into a false sense security, no thanks.
I think the title is untrue, at some point in time Ford will stop caring, and it will no longer be available, it's just a really good lane-keep assist. My Ranger had a good one too, but then it was nerfed by a software update 'cos people loved it so much. Teslas self driving is much larger at scale compared by what it does and how well it's integrated into driving and navigation.
Ford may have "nerfed" the system, but the cause is more likely dyscompetent software humans. Sure, Ford execs hate Ford buyers, but they ain't smart enough to organize such a circuitous way to piss off their clientele.
Paying a subscription, to be allowed to use an internal function, of the car itself, should be completely illegal! It's essentially selling you an intentionally broken product, and "allowing" you to pay, to get full access to the thing you've already paid for.
I never expected to see a click bait title in a video from Fully Charged. Tesla's Self-Driving Tech runs circles around Ford's Bluecruise. I can use Tesla's tech on any road and at any time. My car switches lanes by itself, and manages interchanges with ease. As mentioned in the video, Bluecruise, although in the US you can signal and it will switch lanes, it won't do it on its own, much less manage interchanges. I am honestly disappointed. Hopefully in the future you will avoid this can of unnecessary tactics.
It is my understanding that Tesla with Autopilot and/or FSD did not originally include an in-car camera to observe the driver's alertness. Now that many models do, for whatever reason they have not been permitted, in the US, to eliminate the need for hands-on-wheel, even on the highways. One still needs at least to be prepared to return hands to wheel and provide a little tension at twice-minute intervals or so. Tesla has been teasing an end to the "nag" but so far it has not happened.
I had similar experience with lane assist in my ID.4. It's similar, but you have to keep a hand on the steering wheel. It's still more relaxing than doing all the work yourself. I just wish it would be as seamless than the one button thing in the Mach 3.
@@XTRLFX Yeah, I know. What I wanted to express without stating it in an obvious way (though I could have been more clear): This experience can be partially replicated with other cars, too. Especially the aspects of having the car drive itself. The only basic difference is if you can keep your hands off (which is a plus to be sure). That's why I said "similar" and "but" and still regarded the Mach 3 superior in its execution in my original post 😉
@@dshw I'm pretty sure the ID.4 doesn't overtake on the wrong lane like the Mach-E does. At least my Caddy V does not. I hate it when my Mustang does that.
@@markplott4820 ADAS Level 2 is what is currently available for ID.4 (if the necessary tech has been bought that is): Vehicle can control speed by accelerating and breaking, and keep the lane (plus some extras), but the driver has the primary responsibility (and therefore has to keep the hands on the steering wheel). Level 1 would be no self-driving capabilities at all.
There is a difference between limited, already mapped roads, and actual adaptive self driving tech. The companies use entirely different methods for their self driving. They don't compare, so to say that one overtakes the other is like saying an orange is better than a watermelon.
So its an evolution of adaptive cruise and lane centering effectively. The difference with the adaptive cruise which is what I have in my 2016 Mondeo is that I need to keep my hands on the wheel (I'm doing the lane centering) and no subscription. I think its good that you can subscribe for a month at a time although for me I think it needs to perform the lane changing/overtaking itself to make it worth it and maybe joining / leaving the motorway as well. Hopefully Ford have fixed its confusion with a rising right hand bend which mine currently demonstrates. Generally this feels like we're back on track for evolution of these technologies rather than the revolution musk has been promising forever.
No, you can definitely control when it comes on--just turn off lane keeping and it's a normal adaptive cruise. Also, I don't know about the UK, but here in the USA, you can use self-driving on non-mapped roads, but you have to rest your hand on the wheel. My favorite time to use Blue Cruise is in really bad traffic. It handles the stop/go just fine, and driving in a traffic jam isn't fun at all. The rest of the time, I prefer to drive myself :-)
How's it do when passing a on or off ramp where the road isn't marked by small hash lines. My Tesla just assumes the road is now twice as wide and moves into part of the ramp.
My Ford Focus does most of that, it's just that you have to keep your hands on the wheel. It keeps you within the lane/slows/brakes/speeds up etc, and no subscription 😱 😊
Ford did NOT overtake Tesla’s self driving technology. Ford finally got to the Tesla standard of highway self driving. Only a SMALL part of Tesla’s self driving technology. I have been driving on the highway like this since I picked up my 2018 Tesla Model 3 LEMR in December of 2018. As a matter of fact, I activated Autopilot the moment the camera calibration routine completed, about 20 minutes. The ONLY reason a Tesla owner has to provide steering wheel input is because NHTSA is slow walking Tesla development. However, in the latest version of FSD Beta, the hands on the wheel nag has been removed. Title was misleading and the video did not address whether or not there was a conclusion as to the veracity of the assertion.
Didn't seem much more advanced than the system in my Enyaq - the only difference being you don't have to caress the steering wheel every minute or so. And the advantage with the Enyaq is that it is available on all roads with markings...
I have the Enyaq and travel assist - love it. Be nice if I didn’t have to caress the steering wheel every minute- an eyes monitor looks to be a great next step.
Ariya's ProPilot 2 Plus uses an HD/Satellite map and car moves right between two imaginary lines on highways which are recently paved and not yet have white lines. It also has automatic line change as well as automatic highway exit if car's navigation is used.
I know this car does more in the US, but I have to say, my 2018 leaf with Adaptive cruise control plus lane assist does this - only difference is that you have to lightly hold the wheel. Oh, and it works on all roads with decent lines painted. So many cars do this limited self driving now.
If i buy a car, i don't want to "rent" a feature which I've already paid for and am lugging around whether i want it or not. Maybe car makers now view all cars as being rented, so paying to switch on extra features in a car which is going to be handed back soon, it's not an issue when the car is new. I certainly don't want a BMW with heated seats which only work if you cough up even more money.
Very good, I use the Tesla auto pilot all the time on motorways and dual carriageways, its quite good and seems to be getting better with time, the bit I like best being the auto-lane changing, although my reactions are still very good, especially when on motorways its nice to have a second opinion from the car. Still have to keep a hand on the wheel, I would prefer to keep both hands on the wheel but it doesn’t like this as it seems to want a bit of tension / bias on the wheel which it doesn’t get dual handed. I’m very keen to see FSD arrive here in the UK but I imagine that will be quite a few years away.
As a UK Mach-e owner, the major frustration with Ford has been the painfully slow roll-out of software updates. I'm sure they will eventually get around to it but there are still no signs of BlueCruise being pushed to cars less than a year old. Updates so far have been very minor and they have just announced the next update will include 2 new games 🤦♂and a change to way the dial works which has been available in other markets for a year - but still no BlueCruise.
Over in the US you can use blue cruise on a decent amount of roads. Almost like base autopilot. But HANDS FREE is only available on certain mapped highways/interstates.
I don’t have enough experience of this one to have opinions on -just my BMW’s assist which I still don’t trust. So far I’ve had two fun little incidents -it set to speed limit +5 and braking hard in a 60 mph welsh road as soon as it saw the “30 mph 300 yards” sign, could have been dangerous -on an automated lane change on a two lane motorway (M32) it cancelling the change and swinging back. I think it saw the radar reflection of the crash barrier and misinterpreted it as a car changing in. Safe but unwelcome. The BMW uses camera+radar+ultrasonics; doesn’t do lane change once you’ve got bikes on the back as some of the radar is blocked As a software developer I think the tesla vision-only story is inadequate because of its failings in dark and mist. i think we will need LIDAR for best vision. Mercedes and Volvo are starting to offer this -let’s see in a few years.
I don't see the advantage over Tesla autopilot. The included service with a 3 or a Y does the same, though you have to tweak the wheel every now and again. Plus you can use it on no-motorway routes. Keep up the great content.
There is no self-driving tech, that is *_ANYWHERE NEAR_* as safe as human drivers, or safe enough to be on roads. (and they have more problems, than just safety, though that is the biggest one)All the companies that make/promote them, are *_clearly lying,_* about how good they are. They say they're at "level 4" ...but when you look at the definition for it, it's clear they aren't.
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck No, not _much._ But it is very proper, to be angered at Fully Charged, who should know better and have some influence, presenting this uncritically.
I have a Genesis Electrified G80, which has HDA2 and whilst it hasn't got the now legal motorway hands free feature, i'm hoping it will be introduced as an OTA update as it already recognises Motorway ( and when in France this year Autoroutes) it could theoretically be a simple add on. HDA2 also gives automatic speed maintenance according to posted signage, and lane change assist. As you described with the Mustang it provides total confidence always stayning in the centre of the lane and also will adjust its positioningin the lane if an adjacent vehicle is straying a bit close to your lane, all in all it just makes long journeys much easier!
So when you're not paying for it, or when you are but you're not on a motorway (the A1 for example), does "normal" cruise control still work, with distance keeping, lane keeping, that type of thing?
‘FSD’ has been around for years. It’s called jumping on a bus, in a taxi, train, chauffeured limo, plane or whatever. It’s also easier on the nerves than worrying about a computer’s ability to react to the unexpected. I have enhanced cruise control and lane-keeping assist in my car, but don’t try using them where it’s likely to endanger our safety. FSD is a laudable concept, but would I really trust my life to a computer 100%? Too many variables for my comfort.
He didn't cover one crucial aspect: if a box falls off the lorry in front of you while the car is steering itself, does it swerve to avoid it, bleat at you take over (too late), brake hard, or crash into the box?
@@rogerphelps9939 If that's the case, it's a completely pointless feature! I am accustomed to radar-controlled cruise, but I can't see the point of resting my hands in my lap, just because I can - and that's all I can do in case I need to grab the wheel. I might as well be holding the steering wheel. It's a bit like a kid riding a bicycle with no hands - a pointless way to potentially lose control - but with much graver consequences.
I love this function on my Citroen C5, but I have to engage, albeit with one light finger, with the steering wheel. My wife's model Y Tesla is the same, except on the Tesla you have to re engage the system after each lane change, such hard work 😊
I had a brand new Audi A6 rental for a week, doing an amazing job of Lane Assist on ANY road, even road works where it correctly chose orange lines over the white lines. All you had to do was keeping 2 fingers lightly at the wheel. I guess it came without any subscription
Was following a mustang Mach e on a motorway and noticed its rear end bounces a lot, it had no one in the rear yet looked like shocks were shot. This is not the first time I saw this so it must be a feature
My Kia Niro changes lanes itself when I indicate while using adaptive cruise control on motorways. I am sure I am not imagining it! And I don’t pay £17.99 a month
Now try this in down town Los Angeles during rush hour... A moving highway with no interchanges is MUCH easier. You're not comparing apples to apples. This is hardly comparable to a Tesla.
I have an electric Kia (2 actually, but only 1 is new enough to have hands free driving). For the most part I find the hands free works quite well. But I have one frustration, and I wonder if other brands handle it better, or not. That is when you've been in high speed traffic, and say you've set your speed to 70. Then the traffic slows down for a while and, of course, so do you. Then you encounter a situation where the traffic ahead suddenly speeds up - but you can see that it's only for a short duration. You can see that, maybe 200 yards ahead, the traffic is back to being slow again. So you, as a human, would naturally just speed up a bit, knowing that you're going to have to slow down again quite soon. But NOT the self driving system. IT sees that it now has no one in front of it for the next 100 yards, and so it jets ahead, trying to get back to 70 mph. Then it sees that traffic is slowing and it basically slams on the brakes to get back down to the speed of traffic. Every time this happens my wife freaks out, thinking we're going to hit the cars ahead, which we don't. But I see her point. Why can't they program the self driving to "think" a little bit, and not need to race ahead for a short period of time, only to have to just as rapidly decelerate. Do Teslas or Fords or Caddys handle this better?
Tesla’s AutoPilot is free and far more capable. Yes, you need to gently touch the wheel every few minutes, but it works very very well and on any road. In rain, and the dark. Works in stop start traffic. FSD is an entirely different and vastly more capable system. I hate click bait.
In Sweden we recently had a landslide breaking a motorway and a couple of cars that didn't stop in time flew off the road into the clay. Does Bluecruise slam on the brakes if it suddenly can't see a road ahead?
i like that it checks if the driver is paying attention, but it is just to limited in functionality, its doesnt even change lanes or overtake on its own. lane-assist + aware cruise control does the same thing but on every road in every car without a monthly subscription.
I would term the highways where you can use this - limited access divided highways. I would want to see how it works with non-routine situations - emergency vehicles, construction zones, bad weather conditions, dead animals / debris in the lane, etc
I was thinking the same. I drove a demo golf about 8 years ago that performed similar tricks like track car in front speed, accelerate, brake and lane keeping.
I imagine that this “feature” probably does more than what Robert demonstrated here, however, I thought I would mention that the 2016 Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh does all this as standard, with no monthly subscription 😂
@@mutantcar yes, it checks whether your hands are on the wheel. If it feels you have not been contributing to steering lightly for a while, it asks you to act on the wheel a bit. Don’t know if it deactivates the system if you don’t as I have never reached that point.
Blue Cruise is considered a safety feature in the EU, it’s not permitted to have a subscription charge for a built in safety feature so it has to be free. I wonder how that’s going to work. I love this car, I have generally driven Fords, but have temporarily moved to the Ionic 5, may move back to Ford in a few years time. They were supposed to announce their full EV 2024 line out in August, that was pushed back to October, but may now be in December. They won’t have a lot of preorders for EVs if they aren’t officially launched.
Great review, I’m a Ford fan but still not sure on the Mach e. Our Ora funky cat has similar but you have to rest your hands on the wheel occasionally.
I have self steering on my Ariya. It works really well and I only have to rest my hand(s) very lightly on the wheel. I'm not sure of the advantage of hands free. What exactly does it free up your hands to do seeing as you have to keep looking at the road?!
I like it, but monthly subscription is not my thing. I Rather buy it for 1500 pound for that option if that make any sense..... A heated steering is oke, you only need it when it is cold outside. Then the monthly subscription make some senses. Still don't like that concept!
that attitude defines "Openness" one of the Big Five personality factors. Like all factors, Openness is a scale - half the people score Lo and Half score Hi. So a Hi 5 to you mate!
As an American owner of a 2023 Mach-e it's interesting to see that Bluecruise operates differently here. In the US Bluecruise can change lanes. Simply press the indicator to tell the car which direction to go, it checks the surroundings for safety and switches lanes all on its own.
It will even prompt the driver that a lane change is possible if the cruise is set to say 70mph but that car ahead is only going 55mph and the surroundings are clear it pings a little chime and message on the dash.
That's awesome! Didn't know Ford system is that advance.
@@ayeameenyeah Ford and Tesla do this in the states and Canada, but the Tesla will chane lanes on its own if the setting isnt' turned off
@@ayeameen Tesla does the same thing but without making you press the stock. Just does it on its own.
@@audiovideophile5317 Tesla still needs keep hand on the wheel.
@@ayeameen And not just that, it nags you to apply "torque" to the wheel -which can be dangerous if you happen to torque it too much -which cancels autosteer and swerves in that direction. Damn scary!
Long answer short: No. Tesla FSD is quite literally so far ahead it's the difference between night and day. Ford has simply improved driver-assist, a vastly simpler challenge, and in no way comparable.
That fact that Ford is charging a subscription for this level of tech is embarrassing. Adaptive cruise control combined with lane-keeping assist has be around for years.
$200 a month !? They didn't overtake anything.
Ford overtook my budget...
imagine having to use self driving systems around Italian roads
50km/h down a street with 5mm gap between car and buildings.
I'd rather not! 😱
That's probably the highest level of autonomous, future
I mean I trust that more than Italian drivers, not a high bar mind.
Big issue.
It would be the only car to keep the speed limit.
Other cars will overtake you to get in the safety distance you are keeping ahead.
ANd, knowing Italians, they would never use, let alone pay, for a self driving car.
This has nothing to do with Tesla FSD. With FSD you are at point A and you tell the car to go by itself to point B. No road type limitations. What you are demonstrating with the Mustang is called Autopilot by Tesla. It is available since day 1 at no additional charge and it works on all kinds of roads as well with obviously some limitations on winding roads. I use it every day since I bought my M3 4 years ago. The change lane assistance is an option.
So, nothing miraculous, a kind of limited Autopilot 😊
Yes, I don't get why people do not understand the difference to be honest. It is impossible for anyone to catch up with Tesla's lead on this, but it will be possible for them to licence the software if Elon feels like not being a monopoly.
Difference being the hands-off is legal and there is some shift of liability. Also this is allowed in EU where Tesla Autopilot is very restricted as Tesla does not comply with safety management and liability insurance as Ford, Mercedes and BMW do.
@@marcelromijn2227 what earthly relevance does that have to the technology? None. I'll fill the answer in for you.
@@jonevansauthoryour “Elon” cannot offer legal hands free can he??? What is the difference you don’t get????
@@jonevansauthorit means that the EU has assessed Tesla's technology and deemed it inferior to the others. Only Mercedes has Level 3 autonomous drive which has been approved. Tesla has only Level 2+.
Also confused. My 4year old Teslas model 3 does the same and will lane change too. Am I missing something?
You still have to hold the wheel. Super annoying.
So the Tesla part of the title was just bait? Autopilot does all of this. It also works on any road, adapts to changes (construction), and is included for free with the purchase. The only advantage Blue Cruise has is hands free verses resting your hand on the wheel.
Autopilot does not do eye-tracking or hands-off driving assistance.
@@thechett3699 it's also way more capable as is the Ford over here
@@thechett3699it does have camera watching actually son.
Another good one!
….am I the only one who has considered how hard it is to stay awake on the highway? Seriously now, this is why autopilot from any brand must be as foolproof as possible.
It’s hard enough to stay awake when you’re 100% in charge of your vehicle. Folks are gonna nod out waaaay easier with autopilot.
And please, I know responsible humans are supposed to pull over and rest. That usually doesn’t happen unless we catch ourselves nodding off. For the fifth time.
Still, GO Fully Charged and GO Ford!!!
@@kronosaureliusNHTSA has no bearing in the country this video was filmed in
Only ONE things is being done better here. Ford’s only party trip here is hands off and eyes on under INCREDIBLY limited circumstances. It won’t even change lanes by itself on the motor to go around slower traffic or take an interchange.
Uncharitistically, click baity title from this team. Cheapens the brand.
Got me to watch!😊
@@MB-ed5ef lol that’s clickbait for you! ;)
exactly
Thats great. The problem with Tesla's EAP (got it on model 3) that it basically doesn't work in Europe. Apart from requiribg hands on the wheel it also requires confirmation of lane change and it performs it with some hesitation which actually is confusing for the other drivers. It also performs the lane change first and then slowly accelerates - it is the opposite of assertive - which equals less safe.
"EAP?" Employee Assistance Program? What The Frunk?
The title asks, "did Ford just overtake Tesla’s self-driving tech?" Where in this video is the Mach-E autonomously navigating city streets, stopping at lights, handling turns and roundabouts, changing lanes, etc.? You know, the things you see routinely in all of the FSD Beta videos on UA-cam. Maybe I missed that part of this video.
It's just clickbait to get people to engage. Any engagement is good engagement on UA-cam, even negative, and you (and I) fed right into it.
@@TreslaTruth.
Nice tech. I wish Ford well with it. It's certainly ahead of Tesla getting on (some) roads in the UK.
On that point, I attended your FCL show in Vancouver in September. I drove from Calgary in my Tesla Model 3 using FSD the whole way. It handled the highway, passing cars and even re-routed me when it saw construction had halted traffic. It also drove itself through Vancouver. I'd never been there in my Model 3 before either. Ford has a long way to go yet.
I believe Tesla's Autopilot does most of what Blue Cruise does.
Tesla does more. You do not need to steer to change lanes, and tries to change lanes if the car in front is going slower than the speed limit. I know this because I have a tesla with FSD in the UK. This is a watered-down autopilot. Plus with tesla it works on normal road at a limited capacity
The Kia EV6 GT Line models do the same. No subscription. Works on all roads where there are clear white lines.
For tgeography-challenged Torontonians in the audience, that distance is 973 km, a 10-hour drive, or as long as it takes to drive from Union Station to Hamilton (but no Torontonian admits that steenkeeng Hamilton is part of the GTA!)
Every time you let FSD drive, you risk your life. It's crazy to trust a broken system.
Nice to see Robert back doing the car reviews, let's hope it's a permanent feature.
Sorry but jack does thorough car reviews , points out any potential weak points and issues he encounters.
As much as I like watching Rob , his reviews of EVs are basically, this is the range , charging speed, size of battery, and it's fantastic because it's electric.
People want unbiased reviews of cars so it helps them make a decision if that vehicle is for them , would suit their family etc .
When was the last time you heard Rob say, the range is poor by today's standards, charging speed poor?
@@davefitzpatrick4841 Jack is far too immature. I stopped watching the car reviews with him in shortly after he started doing them. Would be nice to have Robert back again instead of him.
@@GaryV-p3h - Jack... immature? Really? Compared to Robert, with his goofy voices and faces? Don't get me wrong, I like Robert's style... it's fun- and I've been a fan since the Carpool days and have been subscribed to the Fully Charged and Everything Electric channels from day one of each. But Jack is mature well beyond his years as is his presentation style. It's still fresh and fun, but is in no way immature. Indeed, while I was very saddened to see Jonny Smith leave the show, I feel Jack is as good a replacement as we could have hoped for.
Damn straight, what a refreshing change.
Robert , should stick to visiting the Blue Oyster pub.
so he can Pickup , Tarts .
I am an owner of a Mach E (BC) and Tesla (FSD) here in Canada. Tesla FSD is light year advance than anyone else. Period. And I love my Mach E.
Ford's Geo Fencing is not the same technology as Tesla's Auto Pilot. It's comparing apples to oranges.
You just came up with fords new slogan “when it works”. That pretty much sums everything up perfectly.
Lexus hottest feature 20 years ago they called it adaptive cruise control + lane assist. When I had this I didn't pay an extra penny on a monthly basis so....... yeah
If you think it's comparable, you probably haven't tried it.
@@recursiv if you think it's that amazing then u haven't drove the lexus 600h.
I wasn't comparing b.t.w
My comment was just highlighting that it's not new
“It keeps itself absolutely spot on in the middle of the lane” that’s actually one of the things I dislike about the Tesla - I wish it would nudge to the side of the lane if I have an empty shoulder on one side and an 18 wheeler on the other.
I'd like to be able to nudge mine out of the gutter. When I can see potholes ahead on Broken Britain roads, I just have to brace myself for the inevitable smack on the suspension.
@@djtaylorutube Teslas ride better with a FRUNKENSTEIN in EVery Frunk!
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck I think what we need in Broken Britain is a mini digger, set of road cones, some hi-vis and a hard hat (obviously!) and a few buckets of instant tarmac in the frunk. That's the only way to improve the ride here. :D
My adaptive cruise and lane control do the same as this.
100% with you!
I've used this for around 1k total miles now, and it does work surprisingly well! I was also quite surprised how much more chill it was for long motorway drives. It's particularly great for stop start traffic too! It wasn't something I really considered when I bought the car though, so maybe the lack of expectations played a part in it being a neat addition?
It's worth bearing in mind that the standard lane assists and whatnot don't require the subscription - it's the entirely (legal) hands free that's the extra bluecruise-y bit.
As for the title - Tesla are still ahead in terms of raw tech, but Ford beat them to legal hands free in the UK. Which mostly boils down to playing ball with regulators.
To be honest, I think the Adaptive Cruise Control provides about 80-90% of the benefit on stop-start traffic... you're not going to be changing lanes much (probably), and the effort required to actually steer is pretty minimal... but having the car automatically slow down when the car in front does (and then automatically speed back up, when the car in front does) is a definite boon - and makes it much easier / safer to look around and maintain 'situational awareness' because you don't need to worry about missing the first signs that the car in front is braking, etc)
When *any* sort of "full self driving" (be it Ford, Tesla or whoever), can cope with: a) the Arc De Triomphe in Paris; b) a Mumbai rush-hour, and c) really bad weather, all with no driver input; then and only then will I call it "full self driving" in fact. Otherwise it's just an enhanced form of cruise control.
The hands-on self-driving comes standard and it also really works very well. It looks like exactly the same but with hands on AND it also works on smaller roads, as long as there's decent markings.
I totally agree that my main complaint is @6:33 where you change to a lane that's free ahead of you and it just jolts. That's even the case on the slowest car setting (Whisper). It also happens when everyone is in the overtaking lane and slow lane is empty. So being a good driver, I want to go in the slow lane as I'm done overtaking....then the car decides hey lets speed up race style to your set speed. It's dangerous as now you're illegally overtaking on the inside.
Similarly, in bumper to bumper traffic, often working in accordion, the Mach-E will pedal to the metal when the guy in front of you takes off. And you know that there will be a stop soon so you do take over to not have an accident.
It is really really frustrating that we cannot decide on aggressiveness. I love speed but being aggressive like that is irresponsible. Changing desired distance setting doesn't help at all for my first mentioned situation. In the second situation, the only way it will accelerate slower is if you're on max distance and that distance is so far that the car behind you will honk or think you're on the phone.
If they can fix that it would be awesome. There's a bit too much babysitting otherwise. And a little annoyance I have is if you eg. set it at +5km/h compared to speed limit, it will adapt to the speed limit. So I'm set 120km/h + 5km/h. Suddenly there's a short section that goes to 100km/h. Does the Mach-E add the +5? Nope. They just disappear. You're there at 100, you have to manually change to 105. When it goes back to 120, again it stays at 120 instead of 125. These small babysitting adjustments are those make you almost not want to put it in.
In simple assist mode I like how it helps you steer right in the middle. If you get a bit close to the lane it will gently turn the steering, feeling similar as if it's slightly banked pushing you back into the center. That also feels so natural and nice.
If I can add one more thing I wish they would change. Charging has this smart feature where you can set when you leave for work and it will prepare your car for charging/heat etc. It can for example bypass the hours you let it charge so you get your set charge limit at the time of departure. Now, my work scheduling doesn't have any set time where I leave so I haven't set any, meaning it shouldn't prepare anything. I also still don't have any level 2 charging. I just charge at 1kW (enough for my needs). For some reason there's a code in the software that if your charging takes more than 24h to get to the set limit (80% for me) then it will bypass the hours you let it charge. I don't understand the logic. I have 0 scheduling set. I just charge slowly and it will say "charging outside of hours to meet scheduling" or something like that. This has lead me buy a mechanical timer so it cuts power outside of the hours. A bit annoying.
But I love the car. Super fast. The slowest mode on the GT we have is even too fast at times. I wish there was a more gentle version.
The fact that it is overtaking on the wrong lane is a serious bug to me. I guess i comes from the US where that is legal. But in Germany it is not. That in combination with the agressive accelarion when it things there is enough space is really, really dangerous as others do not expect that to happen.
Regarding jolting when changing lanes, even my ice car does that on adaptive cruise control, as soon as you indicate to change lanes it starts accelerating and sometimes that causes problems (if you have to abort the lane change for example). I guess it's just a software thing though and can be improved.
@@andyjdhurley waiting over 2 years now for my Mach-E to Stop doing it. And it is getting updates regulary.
I found assist mode (lane keeping) in the Mustang really annoying, compared to the Hyundai I normally drive. It felt like I was constantly fighting it.
Nope Ford did not even come close.
Besides not having to nudge the wheel every minute or so, I fail to see what's better about this than what's included (with no subscription) in the EV6 and Ioniq 5...
Not only that, but the EV6/Ioniq will work on any road, with clear white lines.
HDA II also changes lane for you. my ioniq 5 P 45 drives itself on most motorway journeys. I use the hands free time to make better road observations.
@@StuartJ
So this is just hands free Active Cruise Control? I find in my RAV4 if I just put a bit of pressure on the steering wheel, e.g. rest my hand on the bottom it stays on for hours. Use it all the time and love it - you feel so refreshed after a long trip compared to accelerating/braking etc.
The issue I see with the Tesla setup is it does not control the areas that you can put the self driving system on (domain), and to add to the issues, the interior cabin camera has been modified to try and work as a Driver State Monitoring DSM/DMS. It does not work effectively in all conditions, but it MUST as it's Safety Critical for handover when the system can't cope. This is why DSM is part of Euro NCAP and in the Moving Forward Act in the USA and part of Euro regs from next year.
The Ford Blue Cruise and GM Super Cruise have great domain control, and dedicated class leading DSM.
It should be an absolute legal requirement for autopilot mode for any road vehicle to be equipped with lidar, radar, a visual recognition system (cameras), gps and an inter-vehicle communication system. What Tesla does with their system to cheap out is absolutely despicable. The network should also be government-run and open-sourced with anonymous data collection. Safety should never be undercut.
a "Lidar" system costs more than 50,000 pounds. Your idea of "safety" comes at a cost.
Our Mach-E will change lanes automatically using BlueCruise 1.2 when we use the signal - no need to put hands on the wheel. Works really well!
I am deeply uncomfortable with paying for something the car can already do. The idea that "you only pay for the months when you need it" is backwards. You are being denied access to a feature that's already in your car, on all the months you don't pay
Yes. Although to be fair, BlueCruise is not "self-driving," just a very good ADA package -much better than Tesla's EAP, in my experience. Maybe in the UK its functions are limited, but I believe on this side of the pond, the car can still do "lane keep/lane centering/adaptive cruise control" on other roads WITH your hands on the wheel. Even better, you can still steer the car, say, to swerve around road kill if necessary, without turning "lane keep" off. It just continues to center in the lane once the roadkill is behind you. I wish my Tesla would do that!
It is self driving. It’s a different approach. Not _as_ traffic aware as Tesla’s AP, but good enough is good enough for a lot of people.
@@SideQuestStijn
Don't confuse Autopilot. Advanced Autopilot. FSD Beta and Full FSD.
All very different.
This is motorway only so it's not the "US level" FSD Beta.
Not even close.
No it’s much better than the EU FSD. Haha. It’s not FSD comparable indeed. It’s still self driving though!
It is absolutely self driving. It is just doing so in a specific situation and there are multiple levels to self driving. They aren't claiming it is level 5.
Mach E on Autobahn? "Look Ma, no Hans!"
If nothing else it's another layer of safety. Thanks for your work!
FUD Muck-e is less safe , than any TESLA in Production.
Till till a sensor or component fail or some dumbass screws up the software update, as a gamer I call the software update being the first failure, after any update you know there's going to be bugs and to find another game to play for a few days till all the screaming ends and the bugs are fixed.......finding them at highway speeds after being lulled into a false sense security, no thanks.
Tesla FSD maybe 100 times better but you still can't drive hands-free without "Elon mode".
Critically it's most certainly not safer.
I think the title is untrue, at some point in time Ford will stop caring, and it will no longer be available, it's just a really good lane-keep assist. My Ranger had a good one too, but then it was nerfed by a software update 'cos people loved it so much. Teslas self driving is much larger at scale compared by what it does and how well it's integrated into driving and navigation.
Ford may have "nerfed" the system, but the cause is more likely dyscompetent software humans. Sure, Ford execs hate Ford buyers, but they ain't smart enough to organize such a circuitous way to piss off their clientele.
Paying a subscription, to be allowed to use an internal function, of the car itself, should be completely illegal! It's essentially selling you an intentionally broken product, and "allowing" you to pay, to get full access to the thing you've already paid for.
I never expected to see a click bait title in a video from Fully Charged. Tesla's Self-Driving Tech runs circles around Ford's Bluecruise. I can use Tesla's tech on any road and at any time. My car switches lanes by itself, and manages interchanges with ease.
As mentioned in the video, Bluecruise, although in the US you can signal and it will switch lanes, it won't do it on its own, much less manage interchanges.
I am honestly disappointed. Hopefully in the future you will avoid this can of unnecessary tactics.
It is my understanding that Tesla with Autopilot and/or FSD did not originally include an in-car camera to observe the driver's alertness. Now that many models do, for whatever reason they have not been permitted, in the US, to eliminate the need for hands-on-wheel, even on the highways. One still needs at least to be prepared to return hands to wheel and provide a little tension at twice-minute intervals or so. Tesla has been teasing an end to the "nag" but so far it has not happened.
I had similar experience with lane assist in my ID.4. It's similar, but you have to keep a hand on the steering wheel. It's still more relaxing than doing all the work yourself. I just wish it would be as seamless than the one button thing in the Mach 3.
Hand-on lane assist comes standard with the Mach-E. And it did so from day 1. The new thing is that you can take off the hands from the wheel.
@@XTRLFX Yeah, I know. What I wanted to express without stating it in an obvious way (though I could have been more clear):
This experience can be partially replicated with other cars, too. Especially the aspects of having the car drive itself. The only basic difference is if you can keep your hands off (which is a plus to be sure).
That's why I said "similar" and "but" and still regarded the Mach 3 superior in its execution in my original post 😉
@@dshw I'm pretty sure the ID.4 doesn't overtake on the wrong lane like the Mach-E does. At least my Caddy V does not. I hate it when my Mustang does that.
VW iD4 only has ADAS level 1, not as capable.
@@markplott4820 ADAS Level 2 is what is currently available for ID.4 (if the necessary tech has been bought that is): Vehicle can control speed by accelerating and breaking, and keep the lane (plus some extras), but the driver has the primary responsibility (and therefore has to keep the hands on the steering wheel). Level 1 would be no self-driving capabilities at all.
There is a difference between limited, already mapped roads, and actual adaptive self driving tech. The companies use entirely different methods for their self driving. They don't compare, so to say that one overtakes the other is like saying an orange is better than a watermelon.
Of course an orange is better than a watermelon! Every orange grower knows that. ;-)
It does need that solid white line on the sides. Something to keep in mind for the winter or heavy rains.
So its an evolution of adaptive cruise and lane centering effectively. The difference with the adaptive cruise which is what I have in my 2016 Mondeo is that I need to keep my hands on the wheel (I'm doing the lane centering) and no subscription. I think its good that you can subscribe for a month at a time although for me I think it needs to perform the lane changing/overtaking itself to make it worth it and maybe joining / leaving the motorway as well. Hopefully Ford have fixed its confusion with a rising right hand bend which mine currently demonstrates.
Generally this feels like we're back on track for evolution of these technologies rather than the revolution musk has been promising forever.
No, you can definitely control when it comes on--just turn off lane keeping and it's a normal adaptive cruise. Also, I don't know about the UK, but here in the USA, you can use self-driving on non-mapped roads, but you have to rest your hand on the wheel.
My favorite time to use Blue Cruise is in really bad traffic. It handles the stop/go just fine, and driving in a traffic jam isn't fun at all. The rest of the time, I prefer to drive myself :-)
How's it do when passing a on or off ramp where the road isn't marked by small hash lines. My Tesla just assumes the road is now twice as wide and moves into part of the ramp.
My Ford Focus does most of that, it's just that you have to keep your hands on the wheel. It keeps you within the lane/slows/brakes/speeds up etc, and no subscription 😱 😊
Ford did NOT overtake Tesla’s self driving technology. Ford finally got to the Tesla standard of highway self driving. Only a SMALL part of Tesla’s self driving technology. I have been driving on the highway like this since I picked up my 2018 Tesla Model 3 LEMR in December of 2018. As a matter of fact, I activated Autopilot the moment the camera calibration routine completed, about 20 minutes. The ONLY reason a Tesla owner has to provide steering wheel input is because NHTSA is slow walking Tesla development. However, in the latest version of FSD Beta, the hands on the wheel nag has been removed. Title was misleading and the video did not address whether or not there was a conclusion as to the veracity of the assertion.
Why answer his own question when a Tesla simp was going to answer it for him? 🧐
Didn't seem much more advanced than the system in my Enyaq - the only difference being you don't have to caress the steering wheel every minute or so. And the advantage with the Enyaq is that it is available on all roads with markings...
I have the Enyaq and travel assist - love it. Be nice if I didn’t have to caress the steering wheel every minute- an eyes monitor looks to be a great next step.
Same with the Kia EV6 GT Line models. No subscription. Works on all roads where there are clear white lines.
Ariya's ProPilot 2 Plus uses an HD/Satellite map and car moves right between two imaginary lines on highways which are recently paved and not yet have white lines. It also has automatic line change as well as automatic highway exit if car's navigation is used.
Sign of the times: comments are full of "my automatic system is better than yours" Whatever happened to boasting about top speed?
@@bmpowellicio Not really. It is good people to know options available to them.
I know this car does more in the US, but I have to say, my 2018 leaf with Adaptive cruise control plus lane assist does this - only difference is that you have to lightly hold the wheel. Oh, and it works on all roads with decent lines painted. So many cars do this limited self driving now.
So the answer is definately NOT.
It’s Definitely.
If i buy a car, i don't want to "rent" a feature which I've already paid for and am lugging around whether i want it or not. Maybe car makers now view all cars as being rented, so paying to switch on extra features in a car which is going to be handed back soon, it's not an issue when the car is new.
I certainly don't want a BMW with heated seats which only work if you cough up even more money.
Very good, I use the Tesla auto pilot all the time on motorways and dual carriageways, its quite good and seems to be getting better with time, the bit I like best being the auto-lane changing, although my reactions are still very good, especially when on motorways its nice to have a second opinion from the car.
Still have to keep a hand on the wheel, I would prefer to keep both hands on the wheel but it doesn’t like this as it seems to want a bit of tension / bias on the wheel which it doesn’t get dual handed. I’m very keen to see FSD arrive here in the UK but I imagine that will be quite a few years away.
You answered the question in your headline yourself, right here: 4:47
Yeah, click bait, this channel is going downhill to get ratings and money, I do wonder how things would go when I saw they were crowd fundraising.
The video is just fine, Without the click bait title .. so please give it an appropriate title. And you know it did not overtake autopilot technology.
The system seems just like the Nissan Ariya's cruise control.
As a UK Mach-e owner, the major frustration with Ford has been the painfully slow roll-out of software updates. I'm sure they will eventually get around to it but there are still no signs of BlueCruise being pushed to cars less than a year old. Updates so far have been very minor and they have just announced the next update will include 2 new games 🤦♂and a change to way the dial works which has been available in other markets for a year - but still no BlueCruise.
I wouldn't be so "sure..."
Hello from Vancouver it was great to see you here
Over in the US you can use blue cruise on a decent amount of roads. Almost like base autopilot. But HANDS FREE is only available on certain mapped highways/interstates.
Seems no more no less than standard Tesla autopilot?
Restricted usage is fine. Additional fee to use a baked in feature, no thank you.
My Nissan Leaf essentially does this as long as I keep a hand loosely in contact with the steering wheel. And it I don't have to pay a monthly fee.
I don’t have enough experience of this one to have opinions on -just my BMW’s assist which I still don’t trust. So far I’ve had two fun little incidents
-it set to speed limit +5 and braking hard in a 60 mph welsh road as soon as it saw the “30 mph 300 yards” sign, could have been dangerous
-on an automated lane change on a two lane motorway (M32) it cancelling the change and swinging back. I think it saw the radar reflection of the crash barrier and misinterpreted it as a car changing in. Safe but unwelcome.
The BMW uses camera+radar+ultrasonics; doesn’t do lane change once you’ve got bikes on the back as some of the radar is blocked
As a software developer I think the tesla vision-only story is inadequate because of its failings in dark and mist. i think we will need LIDAR for best vision. Mercedes and Volvo are starting to offer this -let’s see in a few years.
I don't see the advantage over Tesla autopilot. The included service with a 3 or a Y does the same, though you have to tweak the wheel every now and again. Plus you can use it on no-motorway routes. Keep up the great content.
Thanks for the video, I wonder what happens if you fall asleep and don't wake up.. does the car come to a stop???
If you "don't wake up," you are already dead. I know. I used to be neuroactively challenged, but Doc revivified me!
There is no self-driving tech, that is *_ANYWHERE NEAR_* as safe as human drivers, or safe enough to be on roads. (and they have more problems, than just safety, though that is the biggest one)All the companies that make/promote them, are *_clearly lying,_* about how good they are. They say they're at "level 4" ...but when you look at the definition for it, it's clear they aren't.
angry much?
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck No, not _much._ But it is very proper, to be angered at Fully Charged, who should know better and have some influence, presenting this uncritically.
No competition. Only works on limited roads, and you have to pay a sub!
I have a Genesis Electrified G80, which has HDA2 and whilst it hasn't got the now legal motorway hands free feature, i'm hoping it will be introduced as an OTA update as it already recognises Motorway ( and when in France this year Autoroutes) it could theoretically be a simple add on. HDA2 also gives automatic speed maintenance according to posted signage, and lane change assist. As you described with the Mustang it provides total confidence always stayning in the centre of the lane and also will adjust its positioningin the lane if an adjacent vehicle is straying a bit close to your lane, all in all it just makes long journeys much easier!
I wouldn't hold out for an OTA update, unless your car has camera-based driver monitoring?
Ford put the steering wheel on the wrong side! 😂 Oh, nevermind.
Silly LEGA execs...
So when you're not paying for it, or when you are but you're not on a motorway (the A1 for example), does "normal" cruise control still work, with distance keeping, lane keeping, that type of thing?
If you haven't paid?
The air is removed from the tyres if you haven't paid.
‘FSD’ has been around for years. It’s called jumping on a bus, in a taxi, train, chauffeured limo, plane or whatever. It’s also easier on the nerves than worrying about a computer’s ability to react to the unexpected. I have enhanced cruise control and lane-keeping assist in my car, but don’t try using them where it’s likely to endanger our safety. FSD is a laudable concept, but would I really trust my life to a computer 100%? Too many variables for my comfort.
He didn't cover one crucial aspect: if a box falls off the lorry in front of you while the car is steering itself, does it swerve to avoid it, bleat at you take over (too late), brake hard, or crash into the box?
😂😂😂🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺👍
I expect it would brake hard and bleep, even my old Skoda does this. Be interesting to know if it would swerve as potentially could cause a crash.
It requires you to be alert and looking at the road so you should already have noticed the box and taken avoiding action.
@@rogerphelps9939 If that's the case, it's a completely pointless feature! I am accustomed to radar-controlled cruise, but I can't see the point of resting my hands in my lap, just because I can - and that's all I can do in case I need to grab the wheel. I might as well be holding the steering wheel. It's a bit like a kid riding a bicycle with no hands - a pointless way to potentially lose control - but with much graver consequences.
I love this function on my Citroen C5, but I have to engage, albeit with one light finger, with the steering wheel. My wife's model Y Tesla is the same, except on the Tesla you have to re engage the system after each lane change, such hard work 😊
I had a brand new Audi A6 rental for a week, doing an amazing job of Lane Assist on ANY road, even road works where it correctly chose orange lines over the white lines. All you had to do was keeping 2 fingers lightly at the wheel. I guess it came without any subscription
Was following a mustang Mach e on a motorway and noticed its rear end bounces a lot, it had no one in the rear yet looked like shocks were shot. This is not the first time I saw this so it must be a feature
FUD muck-e is a Crappy car , that uses Magna front end & Bosch rear end.
Great to have Robert back doing the car reviews!
My Kia Niro changes lanes itself when I indicate while using adaptive cruise control on motorways. I am sure I am not imagining it! And I don’t pay £17.99 a month
Yeah, The Kia EV6 GT Line models do the same. No subscription. Works on all roads where there are clear white lines.
Now try this in down town Los Angeles during rush hour... A moving highway with no interchanges is MUCH easier. You're not comparing apples to apples. This is hardly comparable to a Tesla.
Dont bother, they dont get it. They will when all of the others ask to licence FSD V12.
Fanboys aboard lol. This was a fair review, with caveats.
😂😂😂... hahaha.. very good points...🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺👍
I have an electric Kia (2 actually, but only 1 is new enough to have hands free driving). For the most part I find the hands free works quite well. But I have one frustration, and I wonder if other brands handle it better, or not. That is when you've been in high speed traffic, and say you've set your speed to 70. Then the traffic slows down for a while and, of course, so do you. Then you encounter a situation where the traffic ahead suddenly speeds up - but you can see that it's only for a short duration. You can see that, maybe 200 yards ahead, the traffic is back to being slow again. So you, as a human, would naturally just speed up a bit, knowing that you're going to have to slow down again quite soon. But NOT the self driving system. IT sees that it now has no one in front of it for the next 100 yards, and so it jets ahead, trying to get back to 70 mph. Then it sees that traffic is slowing and it basically slams on the brakes to get back down to the speed of traffic. Every time this happens my wife freaks out, thinking we're going to hit the cars ahead, which we don't. But I see her point. Why can't they program the self driving to "think" a little bit, and not need to race ahead for a short period of time, only to have to just as rapidly decelerate. Do Teslas or Fords or Caddys handle this better?
Tesla’s AutoPilot is free and far more capable. Yes, you need to gently touch the wheel every few minutes, but it works very very well and on any road. In rain, and the dark. Works in stop start traffic.
FSD is an entirely different and vastly more capable system.
I hate click bait.
Overtake Tesla? Tesla's FSD handles far more on the motorway or surface streets.
The tech will eventually stop us from from driving between 15 minute cities with a geo fence.
In Sweden we recently had a landslide breaking a motorway and a couple of cars that didn't stop in time flew off the road into the clay. Does Bluecruise slam on the brakes if it suddenly can't see a road ahead?
Yes, that's a question. In Hungary, a dust strom caused a mass accident last summer. (P.S. Sorry for NATO screwup, it's a shame on us)
@@zoltanboros8963 No worries, I like Budapest. I was there in 1992 drinking beer in a nightclub at age 15 🍺🙂
On motorways, does the system cater for stretches where the speed limit is reduced to 40 or 50 for roadworks?
The trouble with Robert is he’s an under appreciator of Aygos and an under appreciator of appreciators of Aygos
i like that it checks if the driver is paying attention, but it is just to limited in functionality, its doesnt even change lanes or overtake on its own.
lane-assist + aware cruise control does the same thing but on every road in every car without a monthly subscription.
I'll stick to driving my MX5.I like changing gear,dumping the clutch and going sideways occasionally.I am 60 BTW.
Does it disengage if you brake, like the standard cruise control?
I would term the highways where you can use this - limited access divided highways. I would want to see how it works with non-routine situations - emergency vehicles, construction zones, bad weather conditions, dead animals / debris in the lane, etc
It's simple, it wouldn't work
Interesting worries. How would BlooCrooz cope with a dead skunk?
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Well, dead deer are more of an issue.
This is just auto cruise control with lane-keeping. VW, and others, have had this for years.
I was thinking the same. I drove a demo golf about 8 years ago that performed similar tricks like track car in front speed, accelerate, brake and lane keeping.
You never answered the question in the title: Did Ford Just Overtake Tesla’s Self-Driving Tech? Well, did they?
Any title that begins with, "Did... ?" indicates clickbait.
I imagine that this “feature” probably does more than what Robert demonstrated here, however, I thought I would mention that the 2016 Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh does all this as standard, with no monthly subscription 😂
Does it make sure you're paying attention? Do you have to keep your hands on the wheel?
@@mutantcar yes, it checks whether your hands are on the wheel. If it feels you have not been contributing to steering lightly for a while, it asks you to act on the wheel a bit. Don’t know if it deactivates the system if you don’t as I have never reached that point.
@@Nikoo033 it's different then.
Blue Cruise is considered a safety feature in the EU, it’s not permitted to have a subscription charge for a built in safety feature so it has to be free. I wonder how that’s going to work. I love this car, I have generally driven Fords, but have temporarily moved to the Ionic 5, may move back to Ford in a few years time. They were supposed to announce their full EV 2024 line out in August, that was pushed back to October, but may now be in December. They won’t have a lot of preorders for EVs if they aren’t officially launched.
Great review, I’m a Ford fan but still not sure on the Mach e. Our Ora funky cat has similar but you have to rest your hands on the wheel occasionally.
"The Ora is also waay funkier," says Frunky.
I have self steering on my Ariya. It works really well and I only have to rest my hand(s) very lightly on the wheel. I'm not sure of the advantage of hands free. What exactly does it free up your hands to do seeing as you have to keep looking at the road?!
And is your foot permanently hovering over the brake pedal?
Can the computer wizzes hurry up get the jailbreak out for these cars 😂
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I like it, but monthly subscription is not my thing. I Rather buy it for 1500 pound for that option if that make any sense.....
A heated steering is oke, you only need it when it is cold outside. Then the monthly subscription make some senses. Still don't like that concept!
No. The answer is no. But interesting
We don't like the way things are and we don't like change 😊 Always nice to try something new, can't nay say until you've had a go
that attitude defines "Openness" one of the Big Five personality factors. Like all factors, Openness is a scale - half the people score Lo and Half score Hi. So a Hi 5 to you mate!