We Drove the Worst Reviewed Car in America
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2023
- We drove the Vinfast VF8 to see if all of the negative reviews were justified.
Special thanks to Natalie Ly for lending us her Vinfast. Check out her experiences with the Vinfast on her UA-cam channel here: @nataliely73
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ABSOLUTELY DO A FOLLOW UP. If they claim it's fixed... Then let's see it. And I'd recommend the same exact car, but with their patch installed. Not some handpicked model VinFast wants you to try.
Exactly!
yes
nah, they said the same thing in Vietnam but 1 year later nothing happened
Man cars needing patches and updates is so crazy and dystopian lol
It doesn't auto update?
Imagine trying to avoid a collision but the car refuses to steer because you didn't turn on the blinkers
Yeah pretty dangerous. On the other hand everyone should use their blinkers
on the other hand, imagine turning on lane holding and then complaining because it holds the lane.
maybe they could compromise and let heavy braking cancel the lane holding feature.
A lot of cars do that nowadays. Not just Vinfast.
I remember an Audi hire car with the lane assist would shake like mad if I changed lanes without using the indicators it was at midnight and I was the only one on that particular road 😂
Many cars do it, but it might give some insurance benefits to have. Might. The annoying part is that the vehicle will likely keep a warning light on if you turn off 'safety' features.
If anyone wonders what a better implementation is, my nissan's wheel vibrates when i go over a line without blinkers. You know you're wrong, and you're still in control without needing to be yelled at either. That's it
If this car had used a diesel engine, it would've been called VinDiesel
Hahaha! 😂
🍰
If they ever come out with a sequel to the car, it will be VinFurious
I have VinThere
this car doesn't need to be fixed....it's got family
The fact that it blocks you from changing lanes without the blinker is so dangerous. I've had plenty of situations where I needed to avoid some obstacle on very short notice (pot holes, animals, debris, even other cars etc.) the car might not see, and had to go over the line slightly. This car would just push me back into them
fr wtf were they even thinking with that
If you steer hard enough you can switch lanes
I was thinking this EXACT thing. Sometimes you NEED to be able to suddenly jerk the car away from an obstacle and ffs you can't wait for your blinker to turn on first.
@@bmwe30serieslmao Fighting with your steering wheel is the last thing you need when you’re trying to dodge an obstacle in the roadway
Steer hard enough, it will change lane. Tesla cars behave same way. It is a safety feature that can be turned off.
I hate when companies make consumers their beta testers! In this case it can be downright dangerous!
It's cheaper to send off something and deal with the problems that are brought forward than to spend millions testing before delivering a product! That's the world we live in now... Sadly.
@@theminicooper what's the cost per day though to the manufacturer? oh right, $100/day if you're VinFast.
Nó đã chạy khắp Việt Nam và không có nguy hiểm nào
@@ndtung,bullshit !!
And the customer pays full price for the privilege of doing Vinfast’s R&D for them.
If you eventually do a "Did Vinfast fix their issues" video, I vote for including a getaway skit.
Lmao yes, I agree they should give them a shot.
slasher film with the vf8
@@tardigrade0708 grade it by the type of getaway. Kindergarten drop-off vs. zombie apocalypse vs. slasher film.
This video: Kindergarten drop-off Karen with a walker ✅ with caveats that you can't rely on the blindspot detection and may get continuously triggered by the chimes thinking it's the bell from Karen's walker.
Maybe some of the software bugs. But you can't OTA you way out of that poorly tuned suspension, and that would be a deal breaker for me. Crazy part is Vinfast got their start building rebodied BMW SUVs. Some of the parts on the VF8 look to be last gen BMW parts bin stuff. They've apparently learned nothing from BMW despite being able to build BMWs on their production lines for several years.
W vid idea
The car industry is legit like the video game industry; dlcs, micro transactions, every company thinks they can charge premium prices, and now unfinished products
They're trying to move to "subscribe monthly to enable x feature" model, which will fail spectacularly. Either people will buy older used cars, or jailbreak the new ones.
Toyota must be the best game, then; most of their cars are super reliable & inexpensive whilst also being fun-ish to drive.
I did say *most,* though.
Play more indies ya wuss, or look at hyundais offerings
I would like to note something about the startup sequence: it's dangerous. One of the things I like about a traditional turn-key-to-start is that if it's late at night or I'm actually in a dangerous situation, turning on the car and flooring it only take a couple seconds. Idgaf about a seatbelt if I've got some person with a knife after me.
well put.i would never own a car with so many ways it wont let you get moving. vinfail.
Truth be told the start up takes long, but in all reality you can step in disengage the ebrake and put it into gear before the system loads. If you're waiting to check your back up camera then you're toast lol
@@gdm2200 I believe that for your average push-to-start, but is that true for this car? I'm assuming you've driven one/looked it up/know someone who has.
I don't know if buckling the seatbelts is actually required for the car to move. But Tesla also has a "no ignition" start sequence. You get in and just put it in gear and drive. There is a brief "power on" delay but that isn't any longer than starting a regular gasoline engine car and driving away.
Chevy now has a feature you can enable; "buckle seat belt to drive", which I find incredibly irritating (I work in car rental) so I typically turn it off.
Quite the opposite imo. Starting with a key requires a couple of steps (turning the key, waiting for ignition, pushing the brake, shifting into drive) and critical seconds. The startup sequence in the VF8 is simply seatbelt on, push the brake, and drive. Much quicker and much safer.
It's like this car managed to put all of the features I hate about modern cars in one vehicle.
I would 1000% rather have a yugo. Or a horse
@@covid19virus59 in which language
Sometimes less is more. There's nothing wrong with an entry vehicle with early 00's options.
@@andrewthacker1389 and at least the yugo sold at a super low price (msrp 3999) which means at today's dollars you could drive out between 7-8k. Granted it was a slow slush bucket but it was the 80's (most cars sucked during that time anyway).
@@Kia_SoullessIt can be in German (depending on context). But I don’t think anybody cares about it when referring to the car.
You know what is the worst part? Wanting to avoid an accident and LAS taking control of the steering wheel because you didn't use the turn signal... That's a nightmare...
You can override it but turning directly instead of lightly
@@BeardedBear69 but that's not how I avoid an accident. sometimes you need to gently steer away, not jerk the car into another lane, and possibly a worse accident.
Shit's retarded yo.
My hyundai has lane assist/lane keeping. With it turned on, if I don't signal, it gives a nudge/resistance, but it isn't something that'll stop me at all if i have to make an emergency lane change. That's just how lane assist works. It's meant to nudge people back into the lane if they weren't paying attention to the road.
But it's useful if, say, i want to take a sip of water and the highway isn't perfectly straight.
@@willyolio9590 My Lexus has the same feature and it is one of the best on the market... and i still hate it. But this car whatever the name is, it is the worst i have seen...
Must be really bad. Considering how many POS there is the car market.
Imagine literally having to "UPDATE" your car before going on a trip 💀
In this case, sure, but the concept of updating isn’t that bizarre. Tesla , Ford, and several others software update their cars.
Unfortunately, with increasing amount of soft features and computer usage in cars, this is the future of all cars. Oh and bsod too. Can't have a real computerized car without an occasional bsod
I have a tesla for 4 years and it seems they update software every 2 weeks.
Going on a trip with this car, are you kidding me
Yeah! I mean, it's much better and makes a lot more sense to buy a whole new car right?! Or having to send it back to factory or exchanging expensive parts... and update right?! Wth were they thinking about?
Keep in mind: Vinfast is a Vietnamese company manufacturing cars. Vietnam is a country composed of a population that primarily drives scooters and motorbikes.
Correction: VinFast does Not make VF8 car. They just assembled it for China to try to harm Americans like they do with Fentanyl. My only advice to everybody: stay away from it.
so what?
"Just make a car that's electric. Don't make it all weird!" 100%, wish that was a thing from any company.
Volvo EX30
@@GarrettBroadnax It does look like it has a regular shifter which is nice. It has parking assist which I think is a bit weird but at least I can choose not to use it. The deal breaker for me (and to be fair you see this on a lot of gas cars now too) is the massive touch screen controls for everything. Touch screens have no place in driver controls in a car.
Electric cars are dumb
@@van3158 yeah because they keep trying to appeal to i toddlers and not car people. It's like video games, they're not made for gamers, they're made for cynical content creators and critics. It sucks
They did and people were not buying them.
Vinfast: You must signal before the steering wheel will let you change lanes
The deer running out into the highway: *Now no one can stop me*
I turned off my lane departure system in my Mazda. It was correcting itself. Too many road construction going on to confuse the system.
No moose test for you!
Bmw driver antithesis
Better than HYUNDAI
@@newchannel1220 Better than Ionic 5 that won world car of the year?
I would love to see if they can fix their problems. New companies have growing pains, as long as they work hard to learn from those and grow, they will do well. Would love to see if their updates actually fixed anything.
And the Vietnamese kids say they're proud because of this, bruh😂😂
that kid is called “Redbull 🐄 🐮 “😅😅😅
Viet cars and businesses are a joke.
@@bourbon369
I call them "red cow"
"This car sucks... nothing works properly"
"Yeah... we know. We will patch it with an update"
Didn't knew EA was doing cars now.
It’s priced 3x higher than it should be
No glycol cooling system,no exhaust system, no petrol system, no forged pistons, no forged rods , no block casting, no extensive engine milling , no extensive engine assembly, no emission system, no catalytic converter, no emission certification …. The price is absurd (for most e cars) (at least tesla gives you “more car”)
$5k from tata motors ? They can do it
@@guysumpthin2974 No dude, that thing should not exist at any price !
@@boobothey should pay you for driving one
IN SOCIALIST VIETNAM, CAR CRASHES YOU!
I'm okay with all the issues , only if this car was $15k new. At $50k I can't handle anything
Understandable
exactly that if this was marketed as a super budget friendly option it would be ok but at that price ill pass
At 50k for the car it's just an insult! VinFast? More like "VinGarbage"! 😅
@@AB0BA_69As a Vietnamese, I can agree the car isn’t good. I would rather buy a Tesla Model 3
Some of these issues are not acceptable even for a $15k car 15 yrs ago.
Guys, the chimes can be adjusted to off if you actually go through the settings. So it is only annoying because you never turned it off in the first place.
That delay in acceleration can become a big deal to try avoid an accident combined with the can't change lanes without a blinker can be a really big safety issue
“Just make a car that’s electric powered. You don’t have to make it all weird.” Couldn’t agree with you more. At this point I’d happily pay a premium for that.
90% of the attempts at making these new electric cars look futuristic have been utter failures. So many bad designs...
Give me a BMW E46 that uses electric motors and maybe some stiffer suspension to compensate for the batteries and motors. That's all we need. Or take the shell of a 2010 Honda Civic and put batteries and motors into it. Don't touch the interior or exterior. Just leave it alone.
No Dont give me a piece of garbage electric car anyway that ways 5600 pounds is a glorified wrecking ball and doesn’t even sound good and is achually worse for the environment than an gas car they are GARBAGE I have a 1999 Mercedes and I love it no stupid chimes sounds great runs forever and is easy to work on without waiting 30 minutes to charge and needing a genius to work on get outta here man.
@@melh4809 full stop
lmao imagine paying a premium for a electric car
The car that makes you depressed and sick when you drive it. Awesome.
man i didnt know i got turned into a car
i have to have one
jokes on them, I'm already depressed and sick
😂
Just like communism
Chimes. I love my Kia Soul GT LIne (2023), but it chimes quite a bit and also momentarily mutes the sounds when making a stop at one of the e-stations.
Turn them off in settings.
This is one of the best car channels on UA-cam. Thanks for all the honesty and humor. I also like the positive attitude you have and the criticisms you do are legitimate.✌️
Is this an example of a new "let the customers beta test it" attitude in a lot of manufacturing now? Not all manufacturer's do this but some doo, and it is rampant in the software world for sure. I think you did a fair take on this car. I am also glad that most auto manufacturer's do not put cars this far from satisfactory on the market.
I think letting the customers beta test is a good strategy to see what you need to get right. Let them complain and you fix it. However sometimes you may have to take it to a shop to fix it
@@ummmbye1228 But beta testers usually get some kind of compinsation for their time, they don't here. To me, that's just wrong. But then again cell phone makers have been doing this for years now when they release a new phone or update the OS. They save money and we get to complain about them till it's fixed.
I don't really play video games anymore, but I'm still immersed in the industry's news. Their analogy is scary to think about with No Man's Sky and Cyberpunk. The "release product now and fix later" mindset is one thing when it's about a harmless video game. It's another when you are talking about a very expensive purchase that can risk your life. It's a mindset I can easily see Germany and America's top companies doing. They know they have a sizeable demographic who will buy their products regardless of their safety.
Let's just hope that regulations are set in place so we don't have everyone driving down the road, not being able to change lanes without blinkers, and stalling in the middle of the highway.
@pappi8338 The funny part about the video game analogy is that car manufacturers are now dabbling in Microtransactions and monthly subscriptions for features already installed on the vehicle. We're in the Era of on-disk dlc except in car version.
“Fix it in post.”
And unlike a buggy game, a buggy car can actually kill you. Don't forget that part.
Yeah, nobody is going to steal a Vinfast car - even if you left the keys on it 🔑🚗
kudos to those brave souls for buying an ugly car from an unknown brand.
Or people around you, which could be worse than just you(or I) were dead because of a glitchy car.
Xe này ở việt nam chúng tôi cũng không dám mua
A very high risk, no rewards game
My sister Honda Accord does a similar thing but to less extreme. When switching lanes without using blinkers the steering wheel resist it but it won’t outright jerk you back into the lane. It’s easy to overpower it.
Why is she changing lanes and NOT indicating?
I loved how the poor cameraman on the seats behind had to use his hardware to stand the checklist on a board.
That "Special After Sales Policy" is like being paid to be a beta tester. Insane.
Or get paid to keep your mouth shut
That's just mind games, making me feel like I've won something when I got .....ahhemm, you know.
Welcome to how a lot of product releases are handled in Vietnam. The first adopters are the test subjects because the companies didn't finish their resting prior to release. It's not all companies, but it's pretty common here.
Unlike Tesla which makes its customers pay thousands to beta test FSD.
@@dansanger5340There are Tesla drivers who have had their car cause a crash, but because they’re believers in the future of self driving cars they still religiously drive autopilot.
If this was a budget offering, it would have some intrigue to it. Being more expensive than the Ioniq 5 (that is a genuinely awesome car) is egregious.
Wow! And I thought the Scion TC sucked. I have driven a Vin, and You're right on the money; this potential Death Mobile is an overpriced POS.
There's a reason why when companies like Honda, Toyota, Datsun/Nissan, Hyundai, and Kia (back when the last two were not the same company) started here, they started with budget-minded vehicles. People will complain about budget-minded vehicles, but if they're of limited means, they'll probably still buy them as that's potentially all that they can afford.
When entry-level luxury automakers come in to a new market, they're relying on the reputation of the brand in their other markets to offer a reason for entry-level luxury car buyers to consider them. That sort of reputation can take many, many years to build, and if the luxury car market is already reasonably crowded, can be a challenge even for a proven brand.
Tesla, for all their faults, realized that it was going to be tough and chose to use another manufacturer's car body for their first product, focusing on the powerplant and energy source. The car they used as a base was already decent enough as a rolling chassis goes, and being marketed solely as a sports car it would make itself more easily excused for any flaws that it did have. That allowed the company to develop itself before it started offering family-suited cars of its own design.
If the owner of this channel is in Vietnam they will be sued by Vinfast and may go to jail... 😂😂😂
I love my TC tho
@@TWX1138 everything you’ve said here though is irrelevant. This ISNT a budget brand. They’re pricing their car above those established brands. You can persuade people to cope or ignore major faults when your product is genuinely significantly cheaper. This isn’t, so the issues are just unforgivable.
As you said the car was released to early without being tested accordingly. VF reminds me how Hyundai introduced itself to the US market back on the 80’s with so much issues as the years went bye , Hyundai is refined and have good cars that compete with other cars within its car type category. Impressive N models , SUVs and EV/Hybrid cars.
VF seems to rely on tech developed by other EV companies, using that to push their product in the market, I hope it’ll not be a Frisker Karma like flop.
Also for $50K I ain’t gonna buy one, I am gonna buy a petrol/gas powered vehicle and use it till their be no gas in the earth.
I will always pick a combustion engine over a EV.. I want to hear the engine and be the one to decide when and where I can buy my own gas, without worrying how far the car will take me… I almost forgot I do like cars that are fuel operated with actual shifting transmission automatic or manual.
All that cVt transmission crap is a huge NO for me.. I want a car that’s a car not one that operates like a snowmobile or EV…
I rented a car about a month ago it was a Volvo and it had the lane control thing too. If I didnt signal, the car would like fight me when changing lanes. Its a cool feature tbh
As a Vietnamese who has fed up with headlines about how amazing it was and how much it being sold, this is the thing that not just me but pretty sure alot of Vietnamese would like to see. So i really appreciate your honesty
Americans love options and I’d love to see Vinfast succeed but it’s already a crowded market. If the company can improve it’s product and possibly undercut the competition in price then it could do well but right now it’s a 6 year old company without a proven track record with a car that has issues and is priced above it’s established and brand name trusted competitors.
Do you think the headlines are genuine? Or does it seem like someone is pulling some strings in the background to make the car seem better?
It's an amazing car for not being able to flee from the Vietcong. Can't start it quickly, can't accelerate with it quickly, it tortures Americans with all sorts of beeps and seasickness, the mirrors give a false sense of security and when the Vietcong cuts the car off in an ambush, the American driver can't steer, since in such a stressful situation it's very ease to forget to use the indicator.
@@mattkennedy6115 It needs to be competitive in its pricing vs what it offers. This does not look like a $50,000 car. It looks like a $25,000 car. I could see it competing with, say, the Bolt. But a Model 3 is a MUCH better car in every aspect, and also significantly cheaper.
@@Courtesyflush52I live in a third world country (slightly less so than Vietnam, but still not first world) and it's very common around here for the media to appeal to nationalistic pride for clicks. It's just a form of clickbait in the end.
I think the biggest problem here is an unknown company trying to sell a car at 50k.
The problem is they criticize the car unresonably, like constantly jumping on the paddle, which shows how fabricated they are, not the brand of the car
@@Goonercry why would someone make up criticism for no apparent reason? Car makers that has been in the car industry for decades can't even get it right at times. What makes you think a relatively new to car industry with not much research and development gets it right away? Even Chinese car brands now put in millions of miles into researching engine and gearbox, road conditions for their cars.
@@Goonercry are u a Việt Cộng
@@Goonercry that correct what I saw too... they try to show something else! Bias review
@@duyvu1539 are you 3////?
I love how they put the Amazon 1 star thing
like it’s sold on Amazon
how to start? Electrics don't typically have key or start button. push the brake is a good start.
As a Vietnamese, thanks for your honest review. If we, a Vietnamese reviews as fair as you are, a numerous vinfast fans will curse and yell at me as an evil enemy.
I know right. Hahaha
bác không cần phải tên là bình đẳng để comment bình đẳng về hãng xe của việt nam trong 1 cái video chỉ trích đâu bác ơi
Evil enemy luôn ak
Inferiority complex plagues most Vietnamese.
@@nguyentrananhnguyen7900 thấy khó nghe quá hả Vino? , khi người ta nói sự thật thôi mà, còn tên gì kệ người ta
Please please please do more followup episodes on Vinfast. You guys have a chance to document the rise (or fall) of a new company and that's pretty amazing. Not to mention with you guys covering the issues, it puts a light to the problems and will help them be fixed and or known.
The parent company, VinGroup and the VN government literally won't let it fail. It's become a source of pride in Vietnam, the first Vietnamese car company, and as such they have a vested interest in keeping it alive no matter what. The embarrassment of it failing is not acceptable to the VN gov or the owner of the parent company, as well a not acceptable to the province it's in.
I work right near where they built the factory and watched them quasi-legally take over the island and force around 10-12 thousand people out of their homes with barely any compensation to make the factory, and at the annual provincial bragging meetings I'm invited to VinFast is considered one of the bright points for the provincial government.
@earthknight60 people truly don't realize how horrifically corrupt and awful the world can be to so many, once the wheels of industry decide to land in your area. It's so sad to hear about all of those people forced out because of money. And worst of all, as you said they barely got any of the money being made despite being forced out of their homes and lives. The "money at all costs" attitude is poisonous
@@earthknight60 Vietnam has learned nothing from the other Asian countries (especially Korea) and how their corrupt giant conglomerates almost took down the entire countries economy when they eventually failed. They all go from invincible to overloaded with debt and bad decision making sooner or later. And by that time they are too big to save.
I don't know where you got the information when you said VF forced many people to leave their homes when VF built a company without compensation. In Vietnam, moving people to new places is compensated. with money or arrangements to resettlement. The people you said did not receive compensation when they left, I am sure their use or stay at that place is illegal and does not belong to them.
What do you think when you build a house or live in a place that does not belong to you and when asked to leave, the government or the owner of that land must compensate you?@@earthknight60
I would actually like to see a follow up on the vinfast but this time on a street course. Like how all the other car manufacturers test there cars out on the tracks.
I saw one of these the other day for the first time driving on the street shortly after seeing it in the thumbnail of this vid. My whole life, I never saw one (I would've noticed, it looks unique/different) until I saw the thumbnail of it.
Lol, this thing is like learning to drive with an over anxious parent. Constantly nagging you, turning the wheel while you're driving and making you wait forever just to turn on the car. 😂
That’s a good point. It’s like constantly having a backseat driver.
Least overbearing asian parent
That's why it took me so long to learn how to drive because my mom would freak out over the smallest thing
If the owner of this channel is in Vietnam they will be sued by Vinfast and may go to jail 😂
@@ianfinrir8724 lol, same!
"This is the kind of company that throws money at problems" TOO DAMN TRUE, They gotta get their sht together if they don't want to fail
Nolan said that bro
they will fail in the usa market 100%
Usually even after updates the fate of a product has been marred by its first impression. However, an updated review would be great
Regarding the start up, that not unique to them. I rented a polestar 2 a couple weeks ago, same thing. It's like a gold cart, you hop in with the key, and throw it in drive or reverse.
they sued Vietnamese owners for complaining about the cars here. I'd say they deserved all of this. What do you expect from a manufacturer abandoned their gas engine after like 1 year of production anyway lul
hater
@@ThanhTran-in7pyterrible cars
@@ThanhTran-in7pyso?
@@ThanhTran-in7pycope 🤡
@@ThanhTran-in7py 🤡🤡🤡 who doesn't hate trash?
I like the comparison to video games being released too early. That happens a lot in software. And it seems like the more software-controlled vehicles become, that trend will sadly continue.
But John, when Pirates of Caribbean breaks down, the pirates don’t eat the tourists
@@RealUnclePerryPirates always care those tourist man.
Look at the iPhone, they keep updating the software over and over….
The problem is when games are buggy people just make UA-cam compilations, when cars are "buggy" people will be killed.
@@infinitesquarez Exactly, the future is scary lol
in my vietnam country, people call the seeder def for shjt cars "vin-fart" is 'crazy-bull'
dictator car😂, if you talk bad about this car, we will call the police😅😅
Cars aren’t video games, these safety system issues should cause a vehicle recall. Not just patch notes and updates
The driving aid not allowing you to change lanes without blinkers is seriously scary! What if you have to avoid a kid or something that's suddenly running out in front of the car? D:
Car'll stop
❤❤❤
You can turn that feature off
Every car with lane keep assist does that. In an emergency situation (wheels rotational speed is faster) It won't do that I believe, not sure
That feature is just retarded altogether. An assisting system that prevents the driver from turning the wheel just because you didn’t blink should be considered as a safety hazard and never should get a type approval. This car is dangerous and shouldn’t be on these streets.
A Vinfast dealership opened in my area & their cars are extremely dusted over. Their back lot looks like those vehicles have not been touched since they were parked there. It's insane that they wouldn't even bother to keep them clean lol
The reason for that is their cars sat in the port of Long Beach for 5 months due to their inability to pass homologation
you really expect a corrupt Vietnamize company to be clean?
If the owner of this channel are in Vietnam they will be sued by Vinfast and may go to jail 😂
They only sold 128 cars so far, in NORTH AMERICA
Worked right near one up until a few weeks ago. Kept meaning to go drive one for the lolz. Never saw a customer there
That start up was pathetic. I have an EV and that's exactly what I expected the start up to be. Get in, put on your seatbelt, brake and drive. I'm pretty sure it would have taken most EV drivers around 15 seconds to figure it out.
Yeah what are they complaining about? It's the same as starting a Tesla
8:45 My only issue is a personal one I’ve been wanting to test at some point but maybe y’all can consider us to quantitatively prove this. My theory having read car reviews since the late 90s pre digital publications is reviewers HAVE to review something combined with elevated expectations that may not be in line with a proper benchmark when the price is moderately high. So if we’re talking spring tension, ESPECIALLY on the 405 during construction, is this actually true to a quantitative level meeting a statistical significance? I honestly am not so sure. Bc if so , how much so? Otherwise, it’s a pretty damning thing a company would have to overcome if every car experiences a similar ride experience on damaged road. Humans are incredibly susceptible to confirmation bias and suggestion. One of the only things I still use from my overpriced graduate school is my degree in consumer behavior. And this is one area that the review process might want to consider more.
Also I’m sure something on your radar already is longitudinal reviews. I haven’t gotten past the original time stamp yet but I’m sure you’ll be fair and get a statement from the company And it’ll likely address updates of some kind which is the right answer. But is it true? I’m honestly not as concerned with issues on my vehicle as much as I would be if a company was hyper aware and intentional about correcting those mistakes. I’d value that very high and would factor into my purchase decision is a meaningful way. Just food for thought. Massive fan of this type of content y’all are crushing it
People in Vietnam are scared to write bad reviews for Vinfast's cars because of the evil billionaire behind the company. Thanks for your honest review
FINALLY!! my ex used to work for them - the blackmail and corruption is fucking horrible. We were forced to sell her motorbike to buy a vinfast scooter (she was a vinschool teacher) because the automotive side was failling. They threatened to fire her, take away pay, bonuses, they would lock her out of the gated community until she bought one.... we tried to fight it so hard
Vin Group like mafiosi!! Ugly vin group
Didn't knew it was that bad!
They"ll call police.😅😅
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Dear my American friends, there is a "Vietnamese" community in the US is spreading a lot of hate and political propaganda, trying to stop Vinfast from advancing. They belonged to a defeated puppet regime in the past and have been very salty about their own losses that everything seems like a "development" coming from Vietnam will become their target. Don't be lead by them, trust your own experience!
That no lane switch thing is really dangerous, it could detect a diagonal line in the road at a corner and steer you off the road
Yeah, that scares me. I've had to swerve into other lanes to avoid animals and apparently I was wrong to do that and I'm sorry.
In Minnesota I've seen lane assist try to kill people when it can't tell whats stripes ot snow or not
@@cheesecurd100sI took the mirror of my friends bmw or the car did. I was riding the yellow line due to parked cars swerved over to miss a car parked to far out and sent me right back into it
This is the basic feature of the car already. If you intentionally change lanes, you will still be allowed to change lanes. sometimes you neglect the lane keeping feature which can startle you. You can turn it off on vinfast.
This was hilarious! The bobbing up and down and the accelerator had me crying laughing.
10:49 when your car has an input delay.
Best part was tracking how the whiteboard items kept changing, and the random order in which they were filled. 4:44 Sunroof is next. 4:46 Sunroof is gone, Driver Aids have already failed 5:32 Sunroof is back, chimes are un-bad, no driver aids. 6:09 Chimes and aids are bad again, no sunroof.
Didn't want to remove the cameras stuck to the sunroof
The camera in the centre of the dash is more zoomed in so you can’t see the sun roof closer to the front…
Do you expect them to go on and off and on and off on the 405 to test them in exact sequence that would take bout a week on light traffic
I hope they fix that lane change issue. If you have to make an emergency lane change to avoid a collision, the last thing I'm thinking about is putting on my blinker
True, but on the other hand a lot of drivers these days seriously need this! Maybe use the chime thing, if you're changing lanes without the turn signal it lets you but yells at you, maybe that will teach a few people to use their #@%$ turn signal!
@@quillmaurer6563 Then the Arnold Voice would be Nice:
Put on the Blinkers cause there's a car behind there,
This blinker thing should really annoy the BMW and AUDI Drivers who are just harassment on the roadways, Their Subscription Plans shitshow with that they should make this Blinker warning as a feature which would only be removed by a subscription if they won't buy this then the Blinker or Lane departure warning in Arnold Voice show annoy them in their whole vehicle experience,😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
@@quillmaurer6563Absolutely disagree. That’s a driving culture issue.
@@James-eg3nf Any ideas for how to improve it?
@@superblaster7297 So you're saying BMWs would have a system that nags the driver about using their turn signal unless they pay a subscription fee to turn it off? Brilliant! I visualize the classic BMW driver being like that meme of the sweaty guy trying to decide between two red buttons.
It took me 5 minutes to figure out how to start my new car coming from a vehicle that was 23 years old.
Before test : Vinfast
After test : VinFUCK !!!
VinF..k are Chinese cars, assembled in VN. Low quantity, high price, unreliable, but Vinf..k has the largest vc paid commentators on the web. Did you know vinf..k called cops and took a customer to court for complaining about faults on his new car (Lux 2.0) that vinf..k couldn't fix ??? That's how vc operates....😂😂😂 Thanks for the hand-on, straight review guys!!!
Nice bro ! Hay lắm
Sao bạn biết
@@khangNguyen-qg3nm Thời đại 4.0 dzồi, sao lại không? "Diệt nôm" đã làm được chiếc xe máy ra hồn chưa mà đòi làm xe hơi ??? Chẳng qua ráp đồ tàu thôi ai mà o biết?
Hàng nào lắp ráp ở Việt Nam sẽ có vấn đề, đừng đổ lỗi cho người khác nhé! Đây là tất cả những vấn đề ở đất nước của bạn.
I remembered similar complaints when Japanese cars were first introduced in America in the 70s, yet consumers were willing to buy because they were much cheaper and affordable. For me to gamble on a car from an known company, it has to be a lot cheaper, like $20K.
well the vf8 has an MSRP of 46,000, mind you I had to actually DIG through the website to find it. They advertise cars by the monthly payment which is already disgusting. The volume model of the VF8 is 51,800 msrp. Their next model is the VF9 which is a 3 row big suv that will start at 89,000. Total sham of a company
If the owner of this channel is in Vietnam they will be sued by Vinfast and may go to jail 😂😂😂
There were zero comparative complaints about Japanese cars in the 70s.
Japanese cars (at least toyota) never had "growing pains" of this magnitude, and this is before factoring in price then & now
@@user-rs1fo2dd9b And Toyota already said EVs are a big mistake
You guys definitely needa do a review on the lucid EV lineup , Especially the Tesla Killing Lucid Sapphire , which sounds exotic like a frickin killer Pokémon
In Vietnam we still operate normally, in the first review it seems like you should read the user manual like any other device, otherwise everything is fine, I hope your channel will become more famous🥰
I was in vietnam earlier this year and saw a vinfast there and was mostly fascinated. I knew it'd have problems, but its neat to see something being tried by another country. Also, its probably largely because buying a car in vietnam is absolutely insane because of import taxes. your standard camry or civic can run almost 70k usd.
It's the same everywhere in South East Asia. Domestic car brands get all the love from the government so that they will avoid competing with cheaper foreign car brands so they put insane import tax/tariffs so only the rich could buy them and the average consumer will have to resort buying local car brands
@@juzloopz24I disagree there. It’s actually quite the opposite. Import tax are for cars that is not available by the manufacturer. Reason that is its to push the manufacturer to also make the cars that is not available to be produced in the country. Not only the country get more access but more income from manufacturing and workers to be able to benefit from it aswell. Basically trade deal that benefits both. But since these cars manufacture is not doing it then they have to be tax.
I’m VNmese bro and yeah the tax on imported car are ridiculously high, specially supercar, a huracan lp580 in Viet Nam prices around 700k
The import taxes is the reason why this exists.
high vehicle import tax is government ways of stealing money from rich people
I really miss when donut had the shows, like wheelhouse, money pit, and James, giving us an up to speed story on his dad.
I agree
I agree
Agreed, to much focus is put on the "Real-mechanic channel" where they just other people content for thier own content. I want a return to the old new show everyday format.
@@SrHurtadoSuit guys? when did this happen. Can I get an up to speed about it
James dad is Scotty Kilmer?
I felt like I am watching some horror video especially after learning an entire family hit a tree driving this car
Link pls
I don't know how it is in the states but from Canada with the lemon law it really sounds like that after sales policy thing is to try and avoid that.
6:13 imagine if you are trying to avoid a rear end from stopped traffic?
The car won’t let you change lanes in an emergency, you have to remember to signal in an emergency!
Day 378 of asking James to do an Up to speed on his Dad
378 days wasted
@@randysgut3214he could get there
@@randysgut3214maybe some day. You never know
Up to speed is discontinued.
No more
The chimes and lane indicators remind me of a cheap Nissan SUV we just rented. The ride quality and noise were similarly bad.
Their after sale service is the most generous in the industry. Nothing wierd about it.
Seems a $30k car at best.
And that's with a working blind spot/ accelerator pedal and steering that let's you change lanes without having to indicate(like swerving to avoid a head on crash)
I wouldn't pay $30k for it either
20k at best , 15k sounds about right
@@deairreoh but make sure you have parts and service in the future, I doubt it
Here in Vietnam, seeders praise this car with words like "Top-notch" or "Peak product". And what pisses me of the most is the fact that there are so many of these MFs around, doing the work for free. They even attach loving Vinfast to patriotism: If you don't love Vinfast Unconditionally, you're a fucking treason! I get it a new product/brand will need to learn a lot to improve. But the key to that lies the user/supporter community, which Vinfast doesn't have. So when Vietnamese recognize the harsh truth that making a car does not get them to the top of the world, and there are a lot more to be done, Vinfast may have a chance. Until then, it's just a waste of everyone's time and money.
I feel you bro. My 12th grade military study teacher keep praising on the brand, I literally out laugh the Joker since it was an online class so nobody would know I'm laughing at him.
Tens of thousands of VinFast EVs including VinFast electric motorbikes, e34, VF8, VF9, and VinBus known as VinFast fully electric public buses carrying 50-60 passengers at a time, have been manufactured and currently on the road safely in Vietnam since 2018, when the first electric motorbike - Klara was introduced. Most importantly, hundreds of units of VinBus-electric public buses have been providing service between the cities, every day from morning to night - from 5:00 to 21:00, 7 days a week transporting about 300,000 passengers daily in Vietnam since December 2022, and so far, not a single unit of VinBus catching fire or exploding or losing control resulting in any death, has been reported! In addition, thousands of units of Vinfast e34 as electric public Taxi cabs have been on the road in Vietnam since 4/2023, and there has been no problem so far. Similarly, thousands of units of VinFast e34 (a smaller version of VF8) and VF8 have been delivered to customers since 10/15/2021, and 9/2022, respectively. All the Vinfast EVs are currently on the road safely without any accidents of catching fire, exploding or losing control in Vietnam since then. This clearly explained the quality and safety standards of Vinfast EVs.
@@lightofwisdom17 lmao bro. In my college people would be like: “Eww, isn’t that the rip-off version of my 5 series?”. And I can totally understand where that comes from. Great vehicles for the price, but they aren’t in control of the technology.
Thế được lái thử xe chưa 😂
@@gaolutsoctrang4507 Oh many VF owners prepared their own fire-proof suicide note in case there is smt happen to them. All "intentional" accidents are reported by that one-state dictatorship propaganda media while all the independent reporters get sued by VF immediately for spreading "false information" if they speak up about anything negative about the shitty cars.
Who gonna believe in that dictatorship statistics, only you man. Nobody in America knowing about freedom of press believe in your sh*tty numbers.
I've had "quirky" cars before.Two handed down Peugeots,three Saabs.Both were the kind of quirky that goes over some people's heads.But if you look at them objectively thooe oddties made sense.And,all were super reliable and nearly indestructible.I just wish Peugeots and Saabs were still available in the US.Not so sure about this Vinfast,though.
My favorite thing about donut videos is that the ads are almost alway donut media related
About the pedal, they called it as a safety feature to avoid unwanted actions. So the pedal's "lag" is a feature
Dumb.
That is one of the most patently absurd things I have heard in a while. From my extensive experience with embedded sensing design, I am almost certain that what happened is this: They (correctly) assumed that the sensor could suffer two distinct failure modes (open circuit and short circuit). short circuit would indicate full power and open would indicate 0 power. Additionally, the sensor might have a single faulty reading due to electrical noise in the vehicles power distribution, probably owing to undersized power distribution cabling, and not enough capacitance (both are common faults of cost cutting efforts). So to avoid this problem, they put a software lag to prevent spurious readings from causing unwanted acceleration.
This "solution" shows a fundamental misunderstanding of safety best practices, and was clearly implemented by some individual or group with zero practical safety critical sensor experience. Every other drive by wire sensor system is designed so that electrically they only use a smaller range of the sensors output (typically 20% to 80%). This approach allows the computer to detect every electrical fault because electrical faults will always register outside of the 20-80 percent range. Someone stomping on the accelerator will only result in a reading of 80%, however, and the computer can distinguish between such an input and a fault condition. In short, this engineering failure is extremely worrying and is an indicator of inexperienced / unqualified engineers designing and implementing safety critical systems. This is a huge red flag. DO NOT DRIVE this vehicle; it is very likely to have other dangerous safety critical faults.
Gotta love cats that react unpredictably as a “safety feature”. Nothing better than not knowing what the hell the thing will decide to do on the road
But if the car doesn't accelerate in the moment you want it to, it acts in unwanted ways ALL the time. Can you imagine pre-throttling just to overtake another car? Horrible. I hope you can turn it off.
@@ericschumann4213
Hopefully they didn't put a safety delay on the brakes, to keep them from wearing out too fast.
I used to live in Hanoi, Vietnam. Lots of Vietnamese people have VinFasts. There was a running joke among my Vietnamese friends that had them that you could only drive them in Hanoi because if you dared to take them to the countryside, you'd never make it back to Hanoi.
You must be mistaken for another brand car. And Vinfast in Vietnam has a charging system all over the country, you can go anywhere
@@mrhuong3588It sounds like the comments were about poor reliability, not the lack of charging stations.
@@Sashazur If you read the comments again, you'll see that they say there's no charging station. This is not true because every 30km in Vietnam there is a fast to super fast charging station of Vinfast cars. They have invested nearly 1 billion dollars for charging stations throughout Vietnam.
I have never heard of any joke like that. It is your BS.
@@mrhuong3588 eerrrr. wrong. read again
this is a good trial run not many crashes yet so far from it and they get to get input on what to do further.
I'm from Canada and I drove one at the CNE (Canadian national exhibition) and I was impressed by its acceleration in sport mode, I thought it was a good looking car as well.
vinfast just started producing electric cars 1-2 years ago. I'm not too surprised to see many bugs but as a Vietnamese I'm glad you like it
Good Lord I fkn died at James "This is the worst car to escape a murder in", "How do you start it?!" Sound effects and all, this is why I love ya'll.
Worst car if you're running away from an axe murderer
Remember in the olden days when a company would ruin their reputation and be suited for false advertising when they released a broken product on the market and not get multiple years of grace to fix/patch the problems?
Those were the days.
Remember when companies used to do long-term testing, instead of using the general public?
Gee that old LaSalle ran great, those were the days.
Corporations own the politicians, so the laws to protect consumers have been cancelled.
I feel like it's one thing to get a day one patch for like games, for cars it's scary, like this implies they just didn't test drive their own car.
“On the fourth day of Christmas Vinfast have to me…”
As someone who drives a lot (compared to most), having a car that lags on the gas and fights your steering……i feel it would’ve killed me by now.
To be fair, the issue @11:43 that happened to Tom Peng describes exactly what happened to me too not once, but twice, in my 2021 Audi e-tron lease.
I get a bit tired or hearing about German cars being "so awesome". Owning one convinced me not to own another. I'm not alone.
@@arcanondrum6543 yup. German cars and German “engineering” are complete hype. Over engineered crap. And when it breaks, Germans will blame you for lack of maintenance. Meanwhile a Corolla drives forever with just oil changes.
@@Immigrantlovesamerica true german cars are associated more with prestige rather than performance and durability. In my country rich people who own german cars use them for social media hype and to blend in with other people.
@@rampagingronin German brands are absolutely marketed as performance brands. Take Lexus or Acura. They're just as luxurious and yet they last 10x longer.
@@Immigrantlovesamerica agreed 👍.
One of Vietnam’s biggest automakers has made a big splash on its entry to Wall Street, pushing its market capitalization above that of industry giants such as Volkswagen and Ford.
VinFast, an electric vehicle maker, enjoyed a red-hot debut in New York on Tuesday after merging with a special purpose acquisition company (SPAC), Black Spade Acquisition Co.
Sounds like Nikola Motors 2.0.
Acceleration lag reminds me of the 1st Gen Chevy Volt, except that delay is only from a complete stop.
Those safety equipment issues just make me appreciate my focus rs so much more. A modern car and has no stupid stuff to tell me how to drive or try and drive for me
Smart cars for dumb people
Dumb comment. Ever seen those videos of car crash compilations? 80% of all of those accidents, hell 80% of all traffic fatalities/injuries/crashes would NOT happen if the majority of cars on the road were equipped with good driver's aids.
@@cenciende9401 Dumb comment. 80% of them wouldn't have happened if people were better drivers or took defensive driving courses. You can't rely on the car to save itself and you. My car is a driver's car, you wouldn't understand clearly.
@@FaeraOthronus I see what you're saying but when there are 80 plus year old drivers still driving who have terrible motor skills I'm glad technologies like automatic emergency braking exists. Unfortunately not everyone in the world is going to be a competent driver and these kinds of newer safety aids can really help prevent somebody who can actually drive from getting hit by somebody who can't.
@@FaeraOthronus Absolutely nailed it. I love my 1990 Volvo 240 Wagon for the very reason it lacks all of the modern tech everyone has gotten to used. I want a car like that so I can not get distracted or annoyed by it being akin to a overbearing, paranoid parent being a backseat driver and critic, and so I can ensure I'm always keeping 100% attention to everything all the time while driving. Its akin to airliners now days - everyone is trained and so used to using the autopilot features, that most modern crashes are caused by a lack of experience and confidence in knowing their planes when they need to take over from it. Or people being utterly clueless navigational because all they know is GPS.
When I went to the Toronto International Autoshow, the VinFast VF8 literally shut down whilst I was inside of it.
Then it began rebooting.
Is it running Windows ME 😂
@@FWDSUXARSE 🤣
You gave it a fair shake already, but it would be interesting to see a follow-up.
I would like to know if there is a manual mode, so that doesn’t have all the extra things. Can we just drive it like a car? Maybe a way to override drive assist, or even specify which chimes you hear
I went to the auto show in LA and on the way in was approach by a woman asking if I'd like to tro sign up to preview a vinfast. I didn't even know she was talking about cars. With a name like that, I honestly thought it was some kind car title or buying service. Wasn't until I saw their booth inside that I realized she had been asking if I wanted to take a riding tour in a car...
hi, a vietnamese here. This is the first time i have ever heard of insight about this car although im local to this model (since vinfast control the media quite aggressively). So, i have several surprises after watching this
-The car is actually cheaper than in Vietnam (same msrp, but Vietnam has like 15k worth of voucher to make it up). To put into perspective, old model crv cost 50k and performance car cost x3
-its actually less bugs than i expected. i have read on forum about a man got his battery died twice, one time on highway at night, without any road lights, with tons of issues like couldnt turn the signal on. But yeah, mostly battery issue.
About softwere, my mom who has some of her friends work at vinfast said they are trying to not rely on existing patent to cut down cost (by making their own technology). And apparently, they can fix bugs that fast bcs there are tons of vf8 running as taxi (and also users' complaints)
About that sensitive sensor, I think its because of the traffic in Vietnam. Basically its like a junior version of India, a bit safer but fkin insane
In the end, dont buy this car. It is indeed unfinished product and even with vietnamese like me, its not very wise to buy this. Unless, you are given the voucher, living in Vin facility and wants to buy an electric car in Vietnam
Yes, we all know that you are Vietnamese. There are two kinds of Vietnamese. The proud Vietnamese and the American's dog Vietnamese. 🎉. U just win a prize. Here is your treat. Good dog.
@@kenjile24 bro, i literally applause them for being less buggy, sell cars cheaper than most of their competitors and đefen them about the sensor and stuff. The vf8 is literally bad but if they can improve it in the new vf7, i would buy it fr
No in vietnam they lease battery instead of selling cars, so it seems cheaper but in reality it is not!
“Thank you and we’re sorry” sums it up nicely.
13:52 I love the old Miata ad
The chimes are pretty easy to explained. The traffic here in Vietnam is… not good, so the manufacture decided to put a bunch of sensitive sensors to make the driver stay on guard. Vietnamese people on roads usually are pretty wreck less. On the roads is like filling the blank space or take chances to go through every possible gaps. Feel kinda bad for American people to use the same software as us.
i believe this features can be turned off.
Honestly between their promise to patch all the software issues out and the "Special After Sales Policy" it sounds like they really do care, even its a bit embaressing to need to do all that in the first place.
Most judge on your recovery after you fumble. So hopefully they get it done and show they care. I really do believe this company can go far if they keep it up
It’s communist bribery. They will get bodied if they actually stand up to the third point which they won’t because of the supply and tech shortages.
It's hard to give them a chance after they basically bullied reviewers and journalist into giving them positive reviews before the car shipped to the US. Did you read about their borderline mafia tactics during their initial showing in Vietnam, too? Following journalist around, not letting them do anything the company didn't allow, nor were they allowed to actually drive the car they went there to review. Don't get me started on all the shills they pay to troll comment sections on automotive websites and start arguments with people who dislike the car. They deserve to fail.
If they cared at all they wouldn't have rushed the release of this thing. Not only does that show a lack of the respect to the customers, but it's also potentially dangerous! Frankly, I hope they fail. If we start tolerating this kind of reckless nonsense with cars (things that we literally trust with our lives) then other car companies will follow suit. Soon, we'll have day one patches for buggy EVs like they're a bloody video game! If they had just made a safe, reliable, good car instead of trying to make a quick buck, they'd probably be doing fine!
The "After Sales Policy" is just an attempt to avoid a class-action lawsuit.
Skoda Scala does the same thing with lane assist doesnt let me change lane if i dont turn signals and it wobbles between lanes :( bad tech
These guys know what they're talking about and are hilarious, love them