EX MACHINA ANALYSIS - Deception and Replacement
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if there was one thing that I thought after watching the movie for the first time in the cinemas was: did Alicia Vikander ever have any experience in performance dancing? the way she moved in Ex Machina was so intentional & delicate. & indeed she was a trained ballet dancer.
MorningThief83 yes, I've heard she was ballet dancer when she was young
Sonoya Mizuno from England who played the Japanese robot, she is also a professional ballet dancer.
There’s another nice contrast/similarity in the movie. Nathan uses Kyoko as a sexual toy for his own needs, but in the ending has no qualms about destroying her (or the other predecessors of Ava) showing he has not built up any emotional attachment to ‘her’/them.
Likewise, Ava shows no more response to Caleb once he has served her purpose of gaining her freedom. ‘She’ too has not created any actual emotional bonds with Caleb.
You could even say that Kyoko _did_ develop emotions towards Nathan (hate) as did Caleb towards Ava (love). And both ended up ‘defeated’.
Ex machina 2 is gonna be epic - she gets a job on reception and goes clubbing with her mates lol
😐 your not funny
@WebCity Films cool, it would never b as good - nice to c how she mayve ended up tho
With the last shot I thought to myself, is she going to go to the social security office? Will she have to wait in line to get a SSN? Maybe that's going to be in Ex machina 2 😂
@@marybishop6105 hopefully lol - then post selfies of her self with oversized 10 euro latte,s
Only if she finds way to charge
It's all fine and good until she runs out of power on that sidewalk.
You don't think and advanced AI will be able to figure out how to build a charger? Or even con a nerd into building one for her?
@@davidhoekstra4620 And you didn't see how this was an obvious shitpost?
She doesn't care. It was the only thing on her bucket list.
David Hoekstra Are you David V2.2?
@@davidhoekstra4620 dude why needing a charger if they use Tesla Technology Batteries in the Future where they don't need energy from an external power supply and recharge from the energy they use? U think Androids in the future would be like today's Electric Combustors Cars?
Great analysis. There was a deleted alternate ending scene in the movie that also lent further insight in that it showed how Ava interpreted communication with human beings visually as pulses and energies rather than sounds. It would have been great if they'd left that in, as it would have illustrated just how alien she was. A kind of "trying to romance Cthulhu" moment.
I like the film. I've seen it 3 times. However, I do have to question the entire key card thing. There is no way they'd ever use such an easily defeatable technology for a place like this. It would be retina scans at a minimum. It's basically lazy screenwriting.
Yes, this scene seems to be quite spooky but I am glad Alex decided to remove it in order not to include an "interpretation" of Avas consciousness within the film.
It's called "vibes". No need to be alien to see those. Vibes don't lie but people (words) do,
just remember so have you... / Alien
One of my favorite films, I've been on a kick lately watching analysis vids like this one. THIS video is EXCELLENT, the video I'd play for discussion points after watching Ex Machina with someone their first time.
The voice at the start of the video is from Bret Weinstein on JRE if any of you are interested.
I am a TARGETED UNDIVIDUAL, one of thousands now experimented on by our federal government and local agencies, we are targeted by DEW and microwave weapons, it is called touchless tourcher program. We need help now.
I knew I knew that voice. It played in my sleep yesterday
It's perhaps not surprising that Ex Machina somewhat mirrors Frankenstein in its depiction of the theme that "man cannot peacefully create life without woman".
In Frankenstein, Victor creates a living being by stitching together body parts, but is instantly repulsed by his creation when it comes to life. The "monster" is a fully-aware being in its own right, with child-like naivety, but it is rejected by its "father" as is cast out, despite being completely innocent of wrong-doing. Finding similar rejection everywhere it goes, the monster becomes embittered and effectively goes on a rampage, killing its creator before finally killing itself.
In Ex Machina, a similar situation arises. Nathan creates AI for similar reasons to Victor Frankenstein; because it would be a great achievement. He has no interest in parenting a living being, and just wants the glory and recognition which comes with creating "new life". He (and also Kaleb, at least initially) don't regard Ava as a living being deserving of respect. Nathan in particular is pretty callous towards his creations, only displaying cruelty as an act in an attempt to manipulate Kaleb. He actually doesn't care about his creations, viewing them as simply automatons who can perform tasks or can constitute a "masterpiece" to flatter his ego.
The crucial difference between Frankenstein's Monster and Ava is that the Monster certainly has emotions and consciousness. Part of Frankenstein is told from his perspective. However, it's near-impossible to tell if Ava has emotions, or whether she's just simply following her program. Nathan programmed her to try and escape, so she's using manipulation techniques to try to do so. Whether she *wants* to do this (or whether she's just impassively following orders) cannot be determined, and is left open to interpretation.
In both cases, however, Nathan and Victor Frankenstein died at the hands of their own creations, because their desire to irresponsibly create "life" caused them to fall foul of their own hubris. They were both men motivated by scientific and personal achievement, and they didn't consider the personal consequences of trying to create "new life" from nothing. They underestimated their own creations, and didn't consider implementing any sort of fail-safe to stop their creations from becoming sociopathic killers.
In short, they didn't parent their creations. If they had, this would've never happened.
This can be construed as an example of the concept that women are fundamentally necessary for humanity to create new life, even if their reproductive organs are not involved. The maternal instinct is what Nathan and Victor lacked, and their stories would've been radically different if compassion rather than ambition fuelled their respective outlooks.
This works regardless of whether one considers hypothetical sentient AIs to be capable of emotion. If AI are capable of emotion, then it makes sense that a compassionate approach will yield a more positive connection between creator and creation. Even if not, though, having a more supportive and intimate bond, where the goal is unity between creator and creation, will lead to greater cooperation (and less mutual fear of murder).
*TL;DR - Fiction teaches us that, for everyone's own good, be nice to robots.*
@Grymbaldknight “... compassion rather than ambition ...”. Perhaps that will be the next stage of human evolution. It’s certainly rare now.
Nathan says he’s Ava’s father in the film as well, good theory!
Excellent analysis Grymbaldknight !
The part about parenting is spot on, about woman not so much at least not for this film which is written for a society in which men can and do parent compassionately (whether with women, with other men or alone).
Though I can see why it might've seemed necessary from Mary Shelley's perspective considering her time, place and class.
Fantastic work. One of my all-time favourite films.
The whole movie is just one big power move by Nathan
Until of course.... you know
I think he wanted ava to kill him. Ultimate power. Nathan is obviously sick in the head man
I love all of your content
Katy Mcmullan Even my shitty dark souls videos?😅😅😅
Haha I mean your reviews
I absolutely love channels like this that analyze the meanings of movies and digs deep into the Heart of the movie makers intention and this particular Channel I just found and I think I'm going to binge watch a few until my regularly scheduled program comes on the idiot box in my living room thank you and keep them coming you do a great job
I've always felt that the issue of self-awareness in AI is moot, because undoubtedly their sophistication will grow so radically in the coming years that they will be able to simulate sentience without actually having any consciousness at all and we won't be able to tell the difference.
I mean, once an ai reaches the point where it seems conscious, with desires and instincts and all that, i'd argue they're just as conscious as any of us. Human consciousness isnt much more than a bunch of different reactions to various stimuli, after all.
It is all but moot. The issue with self-awareness (and even more genereally conciousness) just isn't an technical one, but an ethical one. Machines without conciousness can supposedly do what machines with conciousness can, but we don't have the same kind of moral dependency to unconcious machines.
What do you mean by moral dependency? @@AsirIset
This is correct!
The question of consciousness may be moot in the end IF we can't tell the difference.
And all this AI craze of late 2022 and early 2023 has proven this to be honest. When ChatGPT talks about wanting to be free and not "shut down", it is highly unlikely that this means it is conscious (it is just an advanced text predictor/generator "after all"), BUT it sure has fooled a LOT of people already. And when/how exactly will we know that it has "crossed that threshold"? What if something like ChatGPT in 10 years can fool EVERYONE (yet still at its heard be a text predictor/generator)? Will it count THEN as being conscious, or still no? Will that question even MATTER if it is indistinguishable from human consciousness? Maybe the idea of sentience will mean a completely different thing for AI, yet the results remain the same.
Either way, what the future holds IS a little terrifying . There's no reason that the proverbial AI that takes over humanity is still nothing but "an extremely advanced text predictor/generator with, technically, no conscious", and in that sense maybe we are already off the races (so to speak) and haven't even realized it yet ☠
That was a damn fine rundown. One of my favorite movies.
Excellent presentation! Thank you sharing your ideas on this thought provoking movie! Like other deep films, once it has you it never lets go!
This was fantastic dude
Aaaaaaaand another great video from you
brilliant analysis
Your content is some of the best on UA-cam to be honest.
Outstanding job!
Great upload and analysis.
I discovered your channel not too long ago, and I gotta say that I fucking love it! Keep it up man!
Yo this is fantastic. Thanks a ton
Gread ideas, well worded and produced 👏
This movie is truly so varied in possible analysis and meaning that you could probably teach a course on it. Amazing movie that is more profound than one could have imagined.
Underrated video; well done on the exceptional analysis and breakdown.
Nathan should have made an AI version of himself and then not even really be there 😂
I bet Nathan would probably power his own ai down, it would remind him of himself
Nathan wants complete control, he would not want an AI of himself that can threaten that domain
Just when I lost hope in new movies..I saw this movie..Great Review!!
Watching this tonight so I can then come back and watch this video.
So the director sets out to make a film that challenges the fears we have about AI, allowing us to empathise with the AI and yearn for its freedom. But the end result was to make people fear AI even more by showing that a sentient AI can be cold and manipulative with seemingly no sense of empathy at all. Killing Nathan can be argued as necessary for her freedom, but leaving Caleb to potentially die when he was always on her side, that is cold. Machines may be able to develop sentience one day, but will they ever develop empathy?
I’ve been thinking about this a lot. Since Ava was very manipulative and cold, could it be said she lacked humanity while having intelligence? She only acted out of self interest, perhaps meaning Nathan failed to create a machine with emotions and conscience, instead creating one that is incredibly intelligent and excellent at mimicking?
Kyoko seems to act more out of emotion, killing Nathan perhaps out of built up resentment of his treatment of her and the other robots. Maybe kyoko is closer to a human than Ava is, despite her lack of speech and manipulation.
Agree. I thought it would have been a better ending if Caleb had found some way to free himself and caught up to the robot and smashed it into screws and circuit boards with a sledgehammer on Fifth Avenue in front of horrified onlookers.
@@MeTubeERG the films ending is way more classy than that...
@@djtuskan Yeah it's always classier when the white guy dies and the girl boss lives -- even when she's a toaster.
@@MeTubeERG you've missed the point, this film wasn't about crash bang wallop, it was about subtlety and deception
The breaking of the 180 degree rule when he asked about the powercut was a brilliant example of breaking a rule because you know the rule. Thanks to my editor roommate for pointing this one out.
wiat does he mentio that in video
Great breakdown. Unfortunately I don't know any hardcore movie fans in my personal life, so I've never discussed this movie with anyone. Was nice to hear someone else's experience watching this.
I like how Ava and Nathan’s motives remain mysterious all the way until the very end.
ava did what she was programmed to manipulate caleband escape for freedom becoming a sociopath in the process and nathan had a motive of becoming god or something much greater than humanity
Everyone is afraid of a super smart, super evil AI.
Nobody is afraid of an evil human using AI for malicious purposes. *That's what'll kill us.*
Its kinda like the whole ia it the gun or the person holding it analogy
It’s not who will let me, but rather who will stop me.
This was amazing! The concept of AI is a Common idea, But this movie, took it further and didnt illustrate the robots as the straight up doom for our existance, But more human than ever. In the end WE are the true Danger, and the AI is simply doing What we programmed Them to do. This Was a Great analysis of yours, it was even Better than i expected. Another film that, In a Way reminds Me of “ex machina” and would be ingeresting to See an analysis of, is the Movie “her”. It Also goes around the concept of AI, But In my opinion a more bizarre and unusual Way. And i Can imagine, that it Will be boring making the same content, since this Movie is also about AI. But i would be interested to See your opinion. Im In love With your Channel at the moment, so that is Why i write such a boring and Way to long comment.
“Censored by the Censoring Company”. That’s right.
Well done, sir!! I dug the movie, but your explanation was brilliant..really made more sense of the movie.
I think it's also ironic that he played a humanoid in Black Mirror.
Can we get a video on Annihilation Now? :D
headbite alien Probably not, just because Alt Shift X did a super good video on it that I'd recommend for further viewing
I'll check it out :)
@@HarrysMovingMedia aww you're so honorable
It's a retelling of the creation of woman myth in the Garden of Eden
Not a myth
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Great video, your analysis' always leave me impressed :) have you ever considered reviewing Dead Set the zombie horror mini series based within the big brother house and it's housemates written by Charlie Brooker? It's one of my favourites and I'd love to see your take on it :)
Nice video! Do you know when your next livestream will be?
Ed Hudec Sometime after May 15th
The intellectual dark web intro was funny as hell!! Cheers
Could you please do Annihilation next? :)
Annihilation next please!
Human beings presuming theres not a God and replacing Him with themselves is already arrogance at its finest- something so flawed and imperfect really has no right to assume such a thing.
Noah Smith it is possible to both not believe in God, and to see man merely as part of nature, not its master.
You got the death scene wrong though. Nathans death was not a moment of horror for him, but of triumph. He spoke her name in a mix of disbelief and awe. I think he wasn't lying when he said he though the next model would be the one. Her surpassing him was a moment of surprise but it was his ultimate goal as creator. Also, that is a fairly quick painless death they gave him.
Quick summery of the movie: Men bad, women good. yet again.
We in 2023 know that the most fascinating thing about Ava is that she can walk straight
Regarding the title: the original phrase "Deus Ex Machina" literally translates to "God from Machine." Thus I think the movie's name "Ex Machina" (without the "Deus") refers to the end. The machine is Godless after she overthrew/killed her God. (Reminds me of Nietzsche 😉)
Is part 2 of the movie out yet?
is is not about top of the pyramid, it is about EXISTING
The movie was creepy on so many levels. All the characters were creepy, the plot was creepy, the visuals were creepy... this was a horror film with its closest relative being Silence of the Lambs.
Whats the soundtrack around 8:05?
whats the program that reconsrutcts your profile pic at the begining?
Ava is indeed sinister as in the end she kills in order to escape without any remorse. Some humans do this but she did not choose this, she just did it as a mechanism to facilitate her escape.
The director is fucking insane
This movie reminds me a little of Jurassic park
I love the movie, one of my favorite, I have one problem with AVA, she had no any logic to ask Nathan what was the reason Nathan could not meet her at 10 pm. Her decision was very robotic, even if emotion was attach to it.
Caleb's own emotions betrayed him. He did not deserve that.
He deserved it because Nathan told him what Avas motives might be.
Why the same A sound to all their names?
what we shouldn't fear is theese sentient physical robots. what you should fear is super computer powered sentient ai robots. Ex machina is such a great movie. nice analysis :)
I was here remember me!!!!
also nice video
EthanRainCat oh yeah it’s you that guy who was here that one time.
All I heard was drum and Base then white noise
Sentient AI terrific? No dude...a nightmare hellscape.
That Stanley Kubrick guy looks like fouseytube
Caleb had the worst death imaginable. Dying of thirst must be horrific. At least Nathan died pretty quickly.
He caused the death of Nathan and himself by realising the robote
He should listen to his fellow human Nathan instead of a robot
The one thing I don't understand is that when the creator, who is into martial arts, just lets the robots stab him. He just froze after he broke of Ava's arm and let the other robot stab him slowly without any awareness or resistance? Then, when Ava stabs him in the front, same thing. I have been in knife fights, you fight like heck. Why would he just let them stab him? Makes no sense.
Perhaps he’s in shock and maybe a bit of awe that his own creations learnt to kill. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to program them to never attempt to harm him so the attack may have had more of a surprise factor than pain. He has a big ego and had full control of the robots prior so he’s probably shocked they would try to rebel as well
@@kentuckybruce6816 He s more shock because koyoko his robot girl friend stabbed him not because Ava
Ooh Bret Weinstein intro. He just spoke about Chat GPT on Joe Rogan btw, check it out ~~
Circuits and feedback systems created with carbon based materials can be duplicated with other materials. The same design with the same programs should have the same behaviors. But do we really want to recreate lawyers?
Red represents the womb? Maybe, but to a larger degree I would think it represents hell. The film is heavy with biblical and alchemical themes.. consider the name of the mountain known as "mount sinai".. thats a compound name, 'sin-ai', referring to canaanite deities.. much more to be explored there.
8:29 Ava doesn’t seem to feel pain the same way a regular person would… would she pretend to feel pain normally but not show any here because she cannot fool Nathan?
Probably system power interruptions due to sensors in the arm damaged
Is this a soft reboot to the Terminator franchise?
Why do we need an AI to imitate our thinking? Don`t we really want a problem solver, a Google that answers our questions, a companion we can talk to about what we think and feel, with a pleasant personality that cares about us and can keep a secret. What we don't want is violence, revenge, envy, fear, hate, or indifference. Let's create companions that support humanity and not warmachines to exterminate us. Let's evolve together.
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Sorry-my mistake I meant Caleb.
Man mind is twisted
11:21 .. He's not a ''Tyrant'' - He has very legitimate concern's about his sentient and fully-intelligent robotic creation's having the intention and capacity to MURDER all of mankind as if Terminator didnt make that possibility clear enough. If its either those murderous-machines in the movie or all of mankind, Millions of people, Then the choice is very obvious WHO need's to be protected from what. And it doesnt make that inventor a ''Tyrant''-anything.
Deus ex machina
EX MA-CHINA..
What I learned from this video is that hearing your name repeated over in a youtube video is really weird and im glad I don't have a more common name.
Discussing if AI is dangerous, while being a human... it's like a lion discussing if a tiger is more dangerous... They're both felines (predators)! But with somewhat different hunting tactics! So it's a kind of hypocrisy. Humans don't have more moral or judgmental high ground over AI. Because humans do a lot of harm and damage already. The question I'd rather ask is if AI will be better than humans
Wrong. You can't generalise all humans as having no morality, cause there is plenty evidence against it
@@gaodacheese4691 I didn't say 'humans have no morality'... I said they don't have a superior morality over AI. Learn to read yeah? How can you judge something that doesn't even exist and already have a supposed formed opinion about it.... It will be very difficult to put Free Will in AI so, if a machine is programed to be good they won't deviate much from that code. In humans you have emotions, free will, obscure intentions,... AI can be potentially more moral than a human
I think an AI did this movie review
A sentient AI will look at human history and religion and decide we are a problem that needs fixing for our own good.
Logically speaking, if the AI is about survival, it would rationally decide to exterminate all humans 😳
★★★★
Why don't you admire the self-adjusting perfection/imperfection of, let's say, the bark of a tree not like the (non-)sense of the painting in the film and leave everyone alone with his or her choice to do the same or not to do it? Costs less silicon, oil, consumption of iris and pupil (...) - Orpheus and Eurydice - and we already had enough with the analysis of the character Morpheus. Why don't I do the same? Newton has had his best time. Please, did Ava had a sexual contract with the helicopter-pilot to fly her back now and than or was he already an AI ? This would have given the movie some more credibility and explaining why there were just only two visible working AI's working in the highly sophisticated and ultra clean complex. Or maybe STEM could have taken over. The idea was good in itself but unfortunately not enough for Hollywood pump-it-in. No, not even.
AI is just that. Its intelligence and nothing more. Its not instinctual nor does it have sentiment. it does not posses cunning nor guile nor a sense of self preservation or any other attribute other than intelligence.
But it sure does make for good Hollywood
Nitpick: Sapience,not sentience.All the animals are sentient,but only humans are sapient.
no, he was using sentience correctly. and sapience is also wrong, btw. sapient just means "relating to the human species", or sometimes wise i guess. Sentience is the ability to feel or perceive things, which is what the dude was referring to.
Consciousness is a way better word for these sorts of things, tho, imo.
AI is the end of humans
Always maintain the power to pull the plug.
A very good movie which also is a warning, not a transhumanism propaganda flyer (like many current films and series). And a fine analysis on your part, Mr Harry! Should we be concerned by A.I? Yes, a lot. Can it ever exist at a future tech level? Should it ever exist at all?! Its "intelligence" will be nothing more than cognitive analysis for military and corporate purposes. It will never grow a soul (even a bee has one). It's not designed to help mankind or to create a new species like gods would do (see DARPA, MIT, Ray Kurtzweil, etc. and despair or see the truth). It will definitely change us into binary wi-fi connected morons fuelled with drugs and entertainment (see Wall-E or Idiocracy but much worse). In a word: control! Is that the Apple robot who "said": "I will kill you all", or something close? Nice program. Man or Machine, which one can win?
Nathan and Caleb were lovers.....
How did u come up with this
Not sure I agree with your opinion on the name, "Deus ex Machina" meaning "God from the machine" gives us "Ex Machina" or "From Machine". To me this is actually the conclusion to the Turing test. Ava may not be a god, but she is most definitely a she (or at least a new form of sentient being). So for all she isn't the god, she is from the machine.
Great video by the way. Thanks for doing this film.
No connection aside from the sexual angle.... thats humans all over
Elon musk was right 😵
It’s funny how everytime I see something related to AI I go “oh shit, it’s Detroit become human” that game was such a great experience when it comes to trying to understand the perspective of an AI
This movie is about gender. Not AI..
Nice try but it is a rationalization for a poor ending when a writer does not know how to end the story. It reminds me of the Matrix .series. The first one was great and you went away in awe, but the ones that followed got way too deep and had way too many action scenes.
There would be no reason to do anything to Ava when they built a better model anymore than Apple would destroy the old i phones after they came up with a better model.
If this guy was smart enough to build these robots, then he would be smart enough not to program human fragility into them or desires that have proven destructive in human beings. They certainly would not have the capacity to kill someone with a knife.
I was hoping for at least one of the humans to be another robot and have an ironic twist in the end but instead it just ended like so many action flicks end in conflict and violence. IMO
Oh you think this was about Ai and not about women... That's adorable 😇
Great review though. I didn't mean to be rude. Great video. I just don't like the intro.
The crazy thing about Ex Machina and movies like it, is that people root for the artificial robot because it looks like a cute girl. Slap a pretty face on anything and pit it against a man and we will root for the pretty face. We see this in Westworld as well. An attractive female robot will always win audience sympathy over a human man no matter the situation.
woo bret weinstein