When Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire were hitting home runs out the parks. Baseball knew they were juicing, but they were making them money. They bail out MLB. Same for Bonds
Steroids literally saved the sport, but then they wanna turn around with this moral play. And by "they" that includes the league, the players and the media
Exactly. Steroids helped with strength; But it certainly did nothing for his vision at the plate. The man would have made the hall without steroids; Too bad be got greedy.
Pete Rose deserves to be in the MLB Hall of Fame. It’s time to let the BS stop. He earned his stats without any influence and was one of the best players of his time.
HighAFoldman now or then what is the difference? He bet on baseball while he was in the league. He didn’t throw games or do anything in a manner of cheating to win bets in Vegas. What transpired in the PED era or more recently with the Astros is much more reprehensible.
I LOVE CHARLIE HUSTLE...BUT, IF YOU LET HIM IN...THEN CHEATING IS ACCEPTABLE.... turn the Integrity of the game and everyone who did it naturally got your on their own Merit and not screwed up....THAT SETS A REALLY BAD example for the kids...THAT WATCH. SORRY BUT NO....PETE LET RELIEVERS PITCH 11 GAMES STRAIGHT...AND YOU BET ON YOUR TEAM...NO... Then we have to let everybody in if you understand that the Integrity of the game it's on the line once you let that happen then everything else goes steroids is good this is good that is good everyone come on and don't worry about it... as a fan of baseball my whole life I say no to PETE ROSE and then hurts me to my core.
The fact people still care about Rose's mistakes just shows how pathetic they are, the man served his time and deserves to get in before his time comes to leave this Earth
@@IamMarkSmith while I agree that Pete should be in the hall, he actually broke a specific baseball rule (21d). A lot of the "steroid era" guys didn't, b/c mlb didn't ban/start testing until 2003, so a lot of those guys only broke unwritten rules or moral codes. Not the same thing.
Please tell us the day and time he starting with peds.Oh yes you can't ,nor I ,nor anyone.This is outside the box maybe, but a cheater is a cheater.The goat Ken Griffey Jr is the way you go about your career.
Bonds beat McGwire in the 96 Homerun Derby. Bonds only struck out 100+ plus times once in his career (RC year 1986). Griffey struck out 100+ times 5x. Griffey's highest season BA was .327. Bonds stole about 300 more bases than Griffey. It's not even close.
@@ericcartman8568 Bonds was a 7x MVP. Griffey 1x... Griffey stole 184 bases, Bonds 514, Bonds avg .298, Griffey .284.RBI Bonds 1996 to 1836 Bonds > War, Hits, OBP, SLG, OPS, he struck out less , he walked 2558 times ... Griffey 1312. It's not close..... Bonds > Griffey with much better everything . It's almost as If you dont know the actual numbers... 😂😂😂✌
Sirius Mind well I mean the mlb was in a lose lose situation. They could either have punished the players hard like you want and most likely if they went that route nobody on the team would spoke the truth about it. So they granted immunity so that way they could get the truth from the players.
All they needed to do was have one person snitch. Someone obviously did that cuz the cat was out of the bag somehow. They could've gave the players immunity and still took their title.
Austin Nick except not really. When the players were granted immunity there was already hard evidence of them cheating. The Mlb just wanted to know how far it went up. Which is ludicrous bc this type of cheating that involves the entire team at least goes all the way up to the manager if not the owner. Rob manfred is trying his hardest to make this seem like it’s not a big deal bc he knows he fucked up
Rose changed the outcome of baseball games using disintegrity. Of course i believe that he bet AGAINST his own team despite what he says. Rose has demons hes not a good person. Ive been around him many times. Just stating the differences from steroid use, tactical cheating, and blatantly changing the outcome of games. Should Pete be HOF, probably. I suspect Bonds, McGuire, Sosa and Rose all get in the hall by 2030.
Yeah hypocrites please an the commissioner said they didn't know about it please they have to blind but they weren't blind when he came to the money lol give the man is due the man is a legend barry bonds is the best player I ever seen in my life steroids or no steroids anyway the dude was a hall famer before the allegations man belongs in the hall period so if baseball doesn't backup there products then they ate thiefs an should give fans back there money.
Tim Snortin' I’m black, and i don’t think he’s the goat. So he may be the goat to some black people but not ALL black people. If you were content on pickin a brother, most guys would probably pick Willie Mays IMO.
The only time i really got excited to watch MLB besides the playoffs was when Barry was playing. He Brought THAT MUCH excitement to a regular season game when he was up to bat.
because he took body-enhancing drugs! Reggie Jackson brought that type of excitement without ever taking a single body-enhancing drug. I'll take Reggie every day of the week and twice every day in October.
I remember watching seinfield then all of a sudden breaking news bonds at bat lol 😂 they would literally interrupt your show so we can see barry bonds walk
Bonds and Mays are the two greatest players I ever saw. Also Clemente, A Rod, Junior Griffey, Ricky Henderson, Pujols. All of them belong in the Hall of Fame!
Yes, Hank Aaron belongs on that list also. He did everything great for so many years. However, he just didn’t look spectacular doing it. He didn’t have the flair of Mays or Clemente or Ricky. He didn’t have the star power of Bonds or A Rod. He hit many homers, but not the moon shots that Pujols hit. Overall, Hank Aaron doesn’t take a backseat to anyone. His numbers are off the charts. And he was a great defensive player and base runner.
@@albundy8192 - If the stats count and the MVP’s count and the World Series count then they should be in the Hall of Fame. Everybody was using something back then. MLB selected a few of the greatest players and used it to act like they were clean.
A-Rod doesn't separate himself. Bonds is my fav baseball player, but it's not like he tried to make the relationship between him, the union, or the mlb was ever good
I’ve noticed wen max be talking he focused his attention on Steven A & Molly but wen Steven A talks he focused his attention on Max & don’t even look at Molly 🤣🤣
Raymo BettyBoi I understand nothing I say is ever 100%. I played football 7-8 years ago with corners who juiced. Didn’t even really have all that much reason and still did. It will be around forever, but could you imagine if it was a requirement, because pros already were.
Billy Summers Keep in mind, NFL has guys getting caught on steroids all the time. They serve their suspension and move on. Steroids should be a much bigger deal in the NFL
Max "when he jumped on the stuff, he made a mockery of the game. it wasnt even baseball anymore" its true! like him or not, think he should be in the HOF or not, think what you want, but Bonds those few years was super human and the best hitter the game has ever seen, it was a lot of fun to watch, Mcgwire and Sosa too, but Bonds was on another level, would of liked to see what Griffey Jr could of done on the juice too.
It wasn’t just few years. It was practically his whole career. And honestly... there were other people juicing. Why weren’t THEY this good? 🤔Did Bonds have the best secret steroid? Lol
@@josephdiaz3935 his whole career? he played from 86 to 07, he was on it for maybe like 5 years of those years, he wasnt on it till late the 90s or 2000 ish, and was off by the time they cracked down in 05.... and why werent other people this good????? what do you think???? thats the point!!!! Bonds was the best hitter in the game without it, on it he was super human. Mcwire, Sosa, A Rod, Palmeiro, Canseco, Giambi and many other star players were on it, but for those few years Bonds was probably the best hitter baseball has ever seen. the only guy at the time who could of rivaled him was Griffey Jr who never went on the juice.
@@josephdiaz3935 ahh got ya! i just disagree with the whole career part, id guess 4-6 years he was on it. his 01-04 seasons have to be the best stretch of hitting in big league history
ME TOO!! I lost the UpperDeck Ken Griffy Rookie card. I'm still sick about it..and I hate baseball after the steroid era haven't watched a game after the capital hill mess. Loved it till then. Plus all the stars in baseball was great. ...now I dont care if they never play baseball again or talk about it
I had a Mark McGwirre score card rookie & Barry Bonds third season along with a Dan Marino Topps rookie I lost them all in my youth to a pawn shop I was in a bad situation needed the money so I can relate
I went to Giants fan fest a few years ago, waiting in line Barry Bonds was riding his bicycle that passed us, stopped to sign autographs, course we all stormed him for pics and autographs, we still love him and he didn’t appreciate it till later after his career
Barry bonds is easily a top 10 player of all time. Honestly he’s in my top 3. This dude had a Hall of fame career before he every put on a giants uniform. Straight legend.
Dennis Leavitt (1990-1998): These two in their primes before Bonds used- Griffey (1248 Games) : .304/.384/.582, .966 OPS, 154 OPS+ Bonds (1332 Games): .305/.438/.600, 1.038 OPS, 181 OPS+ Yes.
Max is so right, raided up Bonds was like an adult playing against 12 year olds. Bonds and Ted Williams are the greatest hitters ever, everyone else is below them.
@@leffty2gunnz lmaoooo yeah so HR record, BB record, career .444 OBP. Lets not forget that the first 7 years of his career he played in Pittsburgh, where its notoriously not a hitters park. Oh and let's not forget, career intentional walks leader and only player ever to Crack 100 IBB in one season, something that won't ever happen again.
he hit HR's on juicers... 80% of the league was on it.. wake up people! This man would get 2 pitches to hit over the span of 2 weeks and he would hit them out of the park!
@@fuddyduddie1205 no but the hgh he was on most certainly helped his eyesight and coordination. He wasn't using steroids but a customized growth hormone how do you not know this?
Barry Bonds the only guy that everyone says was using steroids, but never failed a drug tests 😂😂 He never got caught and should be in the hall of fame.
if you can't tell he was on steroids you need glasses bro you can't grow an inch in shoe sz in your late 30's or better yet grow an in hat sz either...smh
@Olallo Delgado no he didn't he let his trainer go to jail for him and bonds never admitted it unlike McGuire he wanted to get back in baseball in some form and he did barry didn't get back in right away but ended up being a hiiting coach for the marlins but unfortunately they have only 2yrs left to get on and I just don't see it but they both belong in.
hate to bust your bubble but albert was on them to his name had whispers on the mithchel report as well so if the players are not allowed in the manager and commissioner as well should not be in as well they benefited from them knowing they were on it.
Although ken griffey was my fav player...I remember that historic season..seeing bonds...Sosa..and McGuire was crazy...I think I was in middle school .and everyday I wake up see sports center and at least on them was always blasting one out of the park..I'm not really a big baseball fan...but I remember wanting to tune in to see who was going to break the record...bonds is one of the goats...bonds .Clemens..specifically them dudes juice or no juice are the goats of they position and you can't tell the story of baseball without them
nibsvkh : c’mon man these guys cheated it’s obvious. Bonds was averaging 30 to 40 home runs a season at 38 he’s hitting over 70 home runs probably 100 if he wasn’t walk. McGuire Sosa and bonds would’ve come clean they’re be in the HOF right now Hank Aaron is still number one with out steroids.
Bonds and Sosa turned into hulks during the juicing era. Big Mac was always a beefy dude but his forearms were bigger than Popeyes during the steroid era. No simple accusation. No full throated pontification. Pure factual reality.
Your Name Here : let’s put this to rest they’re never get into HOF once they find out u cheated it’s over so enjoy your millions u made from baseball and call it a day.
I watched Barry play every single day for 9 yrs while playing for Giants. I followed him when he was with the Pirates. What I saw was a dude who was a freak of nature. Speed, hand eye coordination, defense, accuracy, longevity, knowledge of strike zone, list goes on. I saw him getting caught between bases, the first baseman caught ball and ran full speed at Bonds who was standing. When Bonds realized that the 1st baseman was running at him full speed to tag Bonds, his glove was about 2 feet from reaching his arm. Barry began to run towards second and outran the 1st baseman. My jaw dropped because did dude went from zero to full speed within 2 seconds an beat the outstretched arm of a young 1st baseman running at full speed. The guy is in the 500-500 club. NOBODY will EVER come close to that. Bonds grew bigger and stronger as did most of the stars in the mid 90's and 00's. Steroids or not, the guy was amazing. Many others used different performance enhancers but NOBODY came remotely close to what bonds achieved. Or will anyone deny the physical transformation of bAGWELL, Salmon, McGwire, P. Rodriguez, Piazza, Caminiti, Sheffield, AROD, and many others? people who were skinny developed bodies as pro wrestlers. Some say it happens through the years but whatever. It is clear that baseball is punishing Bonds for his behavior towards the league and the people that now hold his enshrinement in their hands (sports journalists). Regardless of, to me, he was the best player ever. Unfortunately (Dusty Baker) he never won a championship.
@RAUDO DUVAL I can TOTALLY respect and agree with what you are saying, yet, there is a little detail regarding his playing years after 2004. He had a serious knee issue which sidelined him for a long time and he was never the same (in addition to being over 40). Still, he was a tremendous threat. As I mentioned in my post. Baseball's history has been plagued by cheaters, racists, wife beaters, drunks, etc. To condemn a generation and its elite players who single handed resurrected a dead sport is not right. Bonds "enhanced" his ability to hit Hr's but, it was Bonds, not any other player who reached the stratosphere. So, if I had to judge by his 22 seasons, I think he should be in the HOF. I know for a fact that there are people in there that already tainted the HOF. Actually, just the fact that there was a negro league with players with better numbers than many white current HOF players says it all. Let us not pretend to be so righteous and just. I do agree with many of the things you said especially his behavior with players. Not to excuse him but he did mention that a lot of his behavior was motivated by the treatment his dad received by media.
@@josephc9200 lol, indeed, his persona was off to say he least but, people have the right to redeem themselves and Barry has done great, great deeds in SF. He is ADORED there and that is a fact.
My fav Bonds stat is one Peter Gammons used to cite: there was a point halfway through a season (maybe it was 2004) when Bonds had more home runs than swings-and-misses. The guy’s greatest asset was his eyes, not his roided-up arms. Almost every other HR king has been a human windmill, but Bonds had unbelievable plate discipline.
Barry Bonds is the perfect example of the old saying: You reap what you sow. He got what he deserved before he juiced. He got what he got after he juiced And now, he's getting what he deserves after his career is over. As far as I'm concerned, if you take the short money then, you give up the right to ask for the long money now.
Bonds will always be one of my favorites, because of the four hopper he threw to the plate, allowing a one legged Sid Bream to score. Thus sending my Braves to their first World Series, with his noodle arm. 😀
Bonds always sucked in the playoffs. They were in the NLCS against the Reds in 1990, and the Braves the year before the Bream play, and all 3 times Bonds absolutely sucked at the plate.
Good point, but McGwire admitted he was using in his college days. From day one, he was using. Sosa was not a HOF until he did use (allegedly, nothing was ever proven). Their point is that Pirates-era Barry was already HOF-bound. Giants-era Barry should have no ill effect on Bonds HOF-eligibility. Same w/ Red Sox-era Clemens vs. TOR, NYY & HOU-eras. Personally that's bull. Let 'em ALL IN or keep 'em ALL OUT. Imho.
a million baseball players took steroids in the 80's,90's and into the 2000's but only 1 player had the talent to make the steroids work the way Barry did. Mark and Sammy could only do one thing with it.
Alexander Marquardt Sammy sosa doing nothing else in his career other than being the only person to ever hit 60 home runs 3 years in arow isn’t the most important thing. Barry did so much else and had so much talent it was insane
@Baby87......No roids don’t help “hand-eye coordination”. They DO allow you to wait on pitches longer (faster bat speed), however you still have to swing the bat where the ball will be. Roids don’t magically point out where to swing the bat, you have to know where to swing the bat and how to time the swing. The argument against Bonds isn’t about having amazing contact with the ball. It’s about would he still be crushing homers into the twilight of his career or would they be just warning track shots. The real question should be about asterisking his HR title for the record books, not does he belong in the HOF. If one makes the case that he “cheated” and therefore can’t be in the Hall. Then every person who ever cheated shouldn’t get in, or should be removed if already in......which I’d be ok with then, but no one ever is. There’s always excuses and extenuating circumstances as to why said player did something outside the rules and they need an exception. It’s real simple, put him in the hall and then asterisk any/all records he set/broke during those few juiced years.
@@samkellogg2805 actually neither did. The only link to steroids wit bonds was the trainer and he went to prison bc he wouldn't testify against bonds. His head got bigger lol but nothing was ever proven
Math Prof Small the only guy on that list that was better than pre roid Bonds was Mays. (1990-1998): Bonds and Junior in their primes before Bonds used- Griffey (1248 Games) : .304/.384/.582, .966 OPS, 154 OPS+, 83 DRS, 62.5 bWAR, 61.1 fWAR Bonds (1332 Games): .305/.438/.600, 1.038 OPS, 181 OPS+, 112 DRS, 76.3 bWAR, 78 fWAR Bonds was always better than Junior. Junior was only better than him defensively, given the positional value of CF and him being so elite at it. But Bonds was the clearly superior all around hitter and baserunner, while also being an awesome fielder. We can also go by WAR7, which a player’s peak by adding up the a player’s best 7 seasons regardless of when they were (in other words, not necessarily a consecutive 7 year stretch). Bonds’ pre roid WAR7 is 62.6. Griffey’s is 54. Aaron’s is 60.3.
Trey Abbey never said he didn’t use but if there wasn’t a rule in place or suspicions or fines or testing then he didn’t break any rules and was doing what everyone else was doing. MLB is just holding it against Bonds and Clemons since they were the best to ever play while on gear
@@ShooterSanoff That is nonsense. There are others who aren't in the HOF because they used PEDs, Clemens and Bonds aren't being singled out. It only seems that way because these shows talk about Bonds a lot more than any other players.
Do so-called PEDs improve skill and ability, or do PEDs improve a persons ability to physically recover from the grind of playing 162 games in a season. I am willing to bet many men honored in the MLB Hall of Fame did shameful things during their playing careers. But, they were honored by being selected to the Hall of Fame. The difference is that whatever act they committed did not bring public shame and scrutiny to MLB. Pete Rose and Barry Bonds deserve to be in Hall of Fame.
@@slewofdamascus he had hit 450 before the steroids and nobody else even has 300 homeruns with 300 stolen bases and this man has over 700 home runs and over 500 stolen bases. Nuff said
@@slewofdamascus baseball needs this. The sport is slowly dying as America's past time and needs a new Allstar or rule change, something to resurge the game, because it has turned stale. You're gonna tell me an exciting player is worse to watch, than an entire team cheating its way too a championship?
This was one of the best debates I've watched.. both make some really really good points here! I was always a big Bonds fan growing up and was in college playing baseball when he went on his roid run.. we knew what was going on but still watched and didn't care. Hahaha. He should be in the HOF for sure. I remember those Pirates days and early Giants seasons where he was over .300 and 30/30 with a Gold Glove. It was consistent.. I think Pete Rose should be in there as well.
The thing with Bonds was that he was so amazing without steroids that when he started doing steroids his numbers became something out of a video game. It was impossible for his numbers to be accepted at face value, but that era is filled with steroids users, the majority of juicers that had regular numbers.
I noticed Alex Rodriguez has been accepted back into MLB as an announcer and a potential owner. Meanwhile, Bonds, Sosa, McGuire and Clemens get thrown under the bus by hypocritical sports writers and kept out of the MLB's nearly worthless Hall of Fame.
@@infiniteuniverse9528 You're not making sense. ARod has been a broadcaster since retiring. The companies that hire him aren't a part of MLB. McGwire and Bonds have been coaches, in uniform in the dugout during MLB games. How is that not being accepted back?
@@Lord_Bibulous If you don't see a difference between the way Bonds, McGuire, Sosa and Clemens are treated from A-Rod, maybe you need to apply for a weed license for your glaucoma problems.
@@infiniteuniverse9528 How about you take your own advice. Because the point you're making has no weight. Besides Sosa who has been MIA in the Dominican Republic bleaching his skin. Clemens, McGwire and Bonds have been involved in MLB events in some capacity since their retirements. Clemens was inducted in the Red Sox Hall Of Fame, Bonds had his number retired by the Giants and again coached on the Marlins, McGwire has coached for the Cardinals and Padres. Where do you see them not being accepted back in MLB if *they're wearing MLB f'n uniforms?!?!?* I mean use your noggin. I got nothing else to say.
To me, hall of fame rules should be simple. You get caught juicing a certain number of times you don’t make it. “But [player x] juiced and he’s in!” Well take him out. “But [player y] juiced and never got caught!” He’s in then. The league should have caught him. “It’s more complicated than that.” Why? Same goes for the championships and sign stealing. Just strip the cheaters of their championships. Who cares if no one technically won that year? At least the record books are clean.
He's NOT. Just isn't.. You can say MLB was aware and they were... But Bonds along with Sosa and Mac ruined the record books forever.. MLB should have erased those records a long time ago.
Lol they ban him to this day but want people to forget about the astros
Bonds isn't banned
@@jyu467 so why is he not in the hall of fame
@@gregscruggs journalists refuse to vote him in, but he's not banned
@@jyu467 he got 2 years then what he its lookin like Pete rose Pete should be in to
Steroids or not still gotta read the pitch and hit the ball.. that’s what the game is built around..
Bonds can't get into the HOF. However, the acting commissioner who oversaw this whole mess, Bud Selig, IS in the HOF. Go figure.
Kurt Van Egmond bud selig didn’t take steroids and cheat the game. Bonds did.
Still better than Manfred lol
A Rod going be in, Bagwell , Ripken , Piazzia , and I Rod all made the HOF. So, Barry should be in foso.
Billy martin...luis tiant...pete rose...vada pinson...dave parker are most deserving
@@Se0420_ dcaf
When Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire were hitting home runs out the parks. Baseball knew they were juicing, but they were making them money. They bail out MLB. Same for Bonds
Exactly.
That's why i don't Buy all this campaing to shame those players.
That's also why sosa doesn't wants to have anything related to mlb nowadays
I’ve been saying this same thing for years. Shame on MLB.
You still gotta hit the ball.
@Tim Tufan the batboys were probably juicing
Steroids literally saved the sport, but then they wanna turn around with this moral play. And by "they" that includes the league, the players and the media
What’s sad is that there’s definitely players in the HoF that did steroids but were never caught.
like who?
like who?
Ricky Henderson
Mike pizza
Ivan Rodriguez
both Bonds and Pete Rose belong in the hall. Bonds eye at the plate was unreal
Exactly. Steroids helped with strength; But it certainly did nothing for his vision at the plate. The man would have made the hall without steroids; Too bad be got greedy.
@@cehome4936 he should not be in the hall of fame
@@cehome4936 if someone cheats in any sport, in any amount, they should be blacklisted
@@cehome4936 or the HOF hand eye coordination.
rose, if he gambled as a manager..then he should be in..still banned
Sammy Sosa a legend for showing up with the interpreter 😂
...and then painting himself white!!
Also a legend for never testing positive for any drugs but gets looped into Marks issues
My man acted like he just got off the boat
😂😂😂😂
@@averyce2 I wish he wouldn't have done that
Mark McGwire winning the ESPYs for MLB player of the decade (90's) over Ken Griffey jr. & Barry Bonds is a crime itself
No one respects the ESPYS.
Definitely a crime......💯
Roy Ayers 3%er Nobody keeping anyone down. Y’all just looking for excuses to play the victim... Smdh😂
Wyatt Webb excuse? so who should’ve won in your opinion?
@@wwebb1 who the f*ck is "y'all"?? So easily... You let your true colors shine on thru
Barry bonds can't get into the Hall of Fame.
But Astros keep their title and players keep their rings.
Yup I've changed my mind on bonds.
Dodger fan here true steroids don’t tell you what pitch is coming
Hog Nutz Astro fan hey
Hog Nutz even worse
Ashtar Sheran smh stupid asf I swear people are
@Hog Nutz Mets fan here too but their discipline has to be taken farther
Barry B my favorite baseball player of all time. When he use to wear the high top nike spikes when he played for the pirates he was the str8 truth!!!
Pete Rose deserves to be in the MLB Hall of Fame. It’s time to let the BS stop. He earned his stats without any influence and was one of the best players of his time.
Mark Smith imo Pete’s crime is far worst. He should get in after he passes away.
HighAFoldman now or then what is the difference? He bet on baseball while he was in the league. He didn’t throw games or do anything in a manner of cheating to win bets in Vegas. What transpired in the PED era or more recently with the Astros is much more reprehensible.
I LOVE CHARLIE HUSTLE...BUT, IF YOU LET HIM IN...THEN CHEATING IS ACCEPTABLE.... turn the Integrity of the game and everyone who did it naturally got your on their own Merit and not screwed up....THAT SETS A REALLY BAD example for the kids...THAT WATCH.
SORRY BUT NO....PETE LET RELIEVERS PITCH 11 GAMES STRAIGHT...AND YOU BET ON YOUR TEAM...NO...
Then we have to let everybody in if you understand that the Integrity of the game it's on the line once you let that happen then everything else goes steroids is good this is good that is good everyone come on and don't worry about it... as a fan of baseball my whole life I say no to PETE ROSE and then hurts me to my core.
The fact people still care about Rose's mistakes just shows how pathetic they are, the man served his time and deserves to get in before his time comes to leave this Earth
@@IamMarkSmith while I agree that Pete should be in the hall, he actually broke a specific baseball rule (21d). A lot of the "steroid era" guys didn't, b/c mlb didn't ban/start testing until 2003, so a lot of those guys only broke unwritten rules or moral codes. Not the same thing.
Didn’t he have 3 MVPs before the steroid accusations?
Please tell us the day and time he starting with peds.Oh yes you can't ,nor I ,nor anyone.This is outside the box maybe, but a cheater is a cheater.The goat Ken Griffey Jr is the way you go about your career.
Yes Barry won 3 MVP'S in 7yrs
@@MrBen575 he wasn't natural either, no one was or is.
3 MVP`s alone gets you in the hall.
And Bonds still chose to take the juice. He told you that baseball and hard work and taken didn’t matter. Al that matters was the numbers at any cost.
Ken griffey jr smoked all these fools in the hr derby while they were on the juice
Ken Griffey Jr wasnt as good as Bonds. Sorry
@@tacotom3492 you're right... He was a much better all around player with much less power.
Bonds beat McGwire in the 96 Homerun Derby. Bonds only struck out 100+ plus times once in his career (RC year 1986). Griffey struck out 100+ times 5x. Griffey's highest season BA was .327. Bonds stole about 300 more bases than Griffey. It's not even close.
@@weight333 all I said was griffey beat sosa bonds and McGuire in the hr derby when they were all juiced up
@@ericcartman8568 Bonds was a 7x MVP. Griffey 1x... Griffey stole 184 bases, Bonds 514, Bonds avg .298, Griffey .284.RBI Bonds 1996 to 1836
Bonds > War, Hits, OBP, SLG, OPS, he struck out less , he walked 2558 times ... Griffey 1312.
It's not close.....
Bonds > Griffey with much better everything .
It's almost as If you dont know the actual numbers... 😂😂😂✌
Barry is the best baseball player I've ever seen, with or without the juice. He was a HOF player already.
Bonds made baseball fun to watch again
Bonds played you. You thought you were watching the greatest HR hitter of all time, turns out he was a fraud. What's fun about that?
Barry bonds was one of the greatest regardless. Skinny Barry, steroid Barry, blackberry, blueberry, bonds is one of the goats
😂😂😂😂😂 facts
Facts!!
But you're leaving out boysenberry?? 😅😅
@@SupermanHopkins with a splash of raspberry but you get my point
W! 😭 and facts
What the Astros did is 10x worse then what Rose, Sosa, Bond or McGuire did but the punishments dont match
This is ridiculous
Sirius Mind well I mean the mlb was in a lose lose situation. They could either have punished the players hard like you want and most likely if they went that route nobody on the team would spoke the truth about it. So they granted immunity so that way they could get the truth from the players.
Not...Jose may hit 10 home runs when he was cheating in the playoffs...bonds hit over 300 home runs when he was juiced.
All they needed to do was have one person snitch. Someone obviously did that cuz the cat was out of the bag somehow. They could've gave the players immunity and still took their title.
Austin Nick except not really. When the players were granted immunity there was already hard evidence of them cheating. The Mlb just wanted to know how far it went up. Which is ludicrous bc this type of cheating that involves the entire team at least goes all the way up to the manager if not the owner. Rob manfred is trying his hardest to make this seem like it’s not a big deal bc he knows he fucked up
Rose changed the outcome of baseball games using disintegrity. Of course i believe that he bet AGAINST his own team despite what he says. Rose has demons hes not a good person. Ive been around him many times. Just stating the differences from steroid use, tactical cheating, and blatantly changing the outcome of games. Should Pete be HOF, probably. I suspect Bonds, McGuire, Sosa and Rose all get in the hall by 2030.
You’re right baseball still took the money from the fans to watch Barry bonds
Yeah hypocrites please an the commissioner said they didn't know about it please they have to blind but they weren't blind when he came to the money lol give the man is due the man is a legend barry bonds is the best player I ever seen in my life steroids or no steroids anyway the dude was a hall famer before the allegations man belongs in the hall period so if baseball doesn't backup there products then they ate thiefs an should give fans back there money.
molly aged 35 years in a day...wow
Proud to call him a friend since 1994.... great generous guy
"Be Nice to People on Your Way Up. You’ll Meet Them On Your Way Down"
sounds like you've got a long way down to go, Mr. Prezident
@Tim Snortin' Yes it does.
Perfectly said
Tim Snortin' the media guys he disrespected haven’t voted him into the hof, because he wasn’t nice to them.
Tim Snortin' I’m black, and i don’t think he’s the goat.
So he may be the goat to some black people but not ALL black people. If you were content on pickin a brother, most guys would probably pick Willie Mays IMO.
When sammy sosa showed up with the interpreter for court, that is still one of the most funniest things. Till this day!
Malachi Crews what about palmerio finger wag
@@bcranford714 man Rafael was more adamant than any of them and then not long later tests positive during the season. Shame.
They were all clowns that day. Sosa, Palmeiro, McGwire, even Schilling. Canseco was the only one that came out looking decent.
David R...... lol Canseco was cashing in!!! He obviously made a deal!
The only time i really got excited to watch MLB besides the playoffs was when Barry was playing. He Brought THAT MUCH excitement to a regular season game when he was up to bat.
Yeah fake excitement, MLB in the late 90s was closer to the WWF/Bodybuilding than it is to baseball today
He's a phony....
He was must see.
because he took body-enhancing drugs! Reggie Jackson brought that type of excitement without ever taking a single body-enhancing drug. I'll take Reggie every day of the week and twice every day in October.
I remember watching seinfield then all of a sudden breaking news bonds at bat lol 😂 they would literally interrupt your show so we can see barry bonds walk
Bonds and Mays are the two greatest players I ever saw. Also Clemente, A Rod, Junior Griffey, Ricky Henderson, Pujols. All of them belong in the Hall of Fame!
you saw mays, then you saw aaron also. 1971 all star game had the most hall of famers in it.
Yes, Hank Aaron belongs on that list also. He did everything great for so many years. However, he just didn’t look spectacular doing it. He didn’t have the flair of Mays or Clemente or Ricky. He didn’t have the star power of Bonds or A Rod. He hit many homers, but not the moon shots that Pujols hit. Overall, Hank Aaron doesn’t take a backseat to anyone. His numbers are off the charts. And he was a great defensive player and base runner.
not bonds or arod. pujols i wonder about.
@@albundy8192 - If the stats count and the MVP’s count and the World Series count then they should be in the Hall of Fame. Everybody was using something back then. MLB selected a few of the greatest players and used it to act like they were clean.
@@anthonyclay9694 arod and bonds do not count. sorry
I haven't watched baseball as much as I did when he was playing since he left and I'm not a big fan. Put him in. He's a legend
How come Bonds is being persecuted, but Alex Rodriguez still has a career in baseball?
A-Rod doesn't separate himself. Bonds is my fav baseball player, but it's not like he tried to make the relationship between him, the union, or the mlb was ever good
Kris Marquez dumb comparison
Bonds has been a hitting coach for the Marlins so that isn’t being totally persecuted
Because A-Rod has a better "TV personality". Not that it should matter.
Agree with Max, Bonds was a Hall of Famer before he started juicing, Idk if he breaks both HR records without using Steroids...
*You can tell Max’s baseball knowledge is far superior to SAS’s*
SAS knowledge is very limited in a lot of sports, but his personality is just so entertaining that he is everywhere.
@@CT-mw7yu SAS is a loud mouth
His dad was drafted by the baseball Ny Giants.
Max has been holding this show down for ever
I still remember my dad calling me to the living room for the record breaker. Baseball could use another
Bonds.
Mark Faylor I remember watching that moment like it was yesterday
Roy Ayers 3%er doesn’t matter.
Pete Alonso definitely has a shot and there's absolutely no way his dad-bod could be confused with PEDs haha
@@superduty4556 best chance to attempt it judge, Alonso, and stanton . Imagine if these boys were on the juice .
Roy Ayers 3%er either one will do.
I’ve noticed wen max be talking he focused his attention on Steven A & Molly but wen Steven A talks he focused his attention on Max & don’t even look at Molly 🤣🤣
Huh
@@muhammadwilliams3800 u heard me right Jesus is God
@@Trash-Beats ok
@@muhammadwilliams3800 my bad wrong video 🤦♂️
BB is greatest mlb player of all time. Forget drug allegations, 73 homers, 177 walks n 153 games n 01; that's impressive.
At the age of 37 and won the MVP in 2001.
LOL, those 73 homers and 177 walks were when he was on PEDs. You can't just forget that conveniently.
@@blingman78 i bet no one can do that even when juiced!
@@Pa1zan huh? Barry Bonds literally did just that.
Let's not forget he's the only 400hr and 400sb player and he had it before the 00's
1:07 "He thought it was flaxseed oil and arthritis cream." Bonds must think we're really stupid.
austinclark007 Mostly likely. Or that he’s just that smart and it’s a great excuse
austinclark007 I mean ya’ll are really stupid ..
Sports fans are not know for their intellect.
See It 2wice its either
Before everyone was juiced, Bonds was better than them. When everyone got juiced (including him), Bonds was still better than them.
Hall of Famer.
Egbert Aethelbald Not everyone was on steroids.
barry roids will never be a hall of famer.
Jose Carranza bet
Jose Carranza He feel short this year, you never know
@M just because sum bigger doesn't mean its better
@M lol soccer sucks
Bonds on the juice made baseball look,like a videogame on the easiest setting lol
It was beautiful.
It’s funny how the controversies in baseball are usually more entertaining than the actual games
Oh yes watching black dudes jump. High and shoot hoops is so much fun
Ryan Brown 🚫🧢
@@jhordyjimenez6283 Way to go racial, and change the subject.
Jhordy Jimenez Your right it’s 100% better .
@@williamdemby3680 the league is predominantly black though
I don’t need MLB to tell me Barry is a Legend. Top 3 ever!
No I don't think so over the likes of some other greats.
Agreee 100 percent. I don’t care what he put in his body. He had the best hitters eye we’ve ever seen.
@@neoboomernostalgiacore yet, still fell short of some other career statistical catagories.
@@J_Ru31352 I’m curious what statistical categories you’re referring to?
I don't need anyone to tell me he was a cheater who deserves to be treated like one.
Sammy Sosa showing up with an interpreter was the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life 🤣🤣🤣
English is his second language..., and lawyer/politician can be very tricky using words against him
Barry Bonds is that dude ⭐️
I approve the use of PED's in baseball. I want 120mph pitches and 600ft homeruns.
Yep
Only reason I disagree is the message it sends kids. No chance they wait to start using, that will be very dangerous. Other than that let’s do it. Lol
@@Takeoff10_ what about wrestling? they juice all the time but kids in highschool still wrestle without juicing
Raymo BettyBoi I understand nothing I say is ever 100%. I played football 7-8 years ago with corners who juiced. Didn’t even really have all that much reason and still did. It will be around forever, but could you imagine if it was a requirement, because pros already were.
Y Marina all the other regular kids bro. You just named 4 of the best humans to walk earth. Lol
All I know is, Bond is one of the best baseball players I’ve ever seen. If he wasn’t so adversary to the press he’s in the hall of fame.
He's a cheater......
@@billysummers1616 what rule did he get caught breaking?
Billy Summers Keep in mind, NFL has guys getting caught on steroids all the time. They serve their suspension and move on. Steroids should be a much bigger deal in the NFL
All I am saying...greatest player I have EVER seen
@@trckfast .
That last point by Max was spot on.
Max "when he jumped on the stuff, he made a mockery of the game. it wasnt even baseball anymore" its true! like him or not, think he should be in the HOF or not, think what you want, but Bonds those few years was super human and the best hitter the game has ever seen, it was a lot of fun to watch, Mcgwire and Sosa too, but Bonds was on another level, would of liked to see what Griffey Jr could of done on the juice too.
could you imagine griffey or mantle on roids? 800 homers
It wasn’t just few years. It was practically his whole career. And honestly... there were other people juicing. Why weren’t THEY this good? 🤔Did Bonds have the best secret steroid? Lol
@@josephdiaz3935 his whole career? he played from 86 to 07, he was on it for maybe like 5 years of those years, he wasnt on it till late the 90s or 2000 ish, and was off by the time they cracked down in 05.... and why werent other people this good????? what do you think???? thats the point!!!! Bonds was the best hitter in the game without it, on it he was super human. Mcwire, Sosa, A Rod, Palmeiro, Canseco, Giambi and many other star players were on it, but for those few years Bonds was probably the best hitter baseball has ever seen. the only guy at the time who could of rivaled him was Griffey Jr who never went on the juice.
@@Jordan-cz9fw That’s my point bro. Sometimes sarcasm is hard to read. But I completely agree
@@josephdiaz3935 ahh got ya! i just disagree with the whole career part, id guess 4-6 years he was on it. his 01-04 seasons have to be the best stretch of hitting in big league history
I miss 90's and early 2000's baseball. Those were the days. Also reminds me I lost a Griffey Jr rookie BOWMAN baseball card..smh
ME TOO!! I lost the UpperDeck Ken Griffy Rookie card. I'm still sick about it..and I hate baseball after the steroid era haven't watched a game after the capital hill mess. Loved it till then. Plus all the stars in baseball was great. ...now I dont care if they never play baseball again or talk about it
I like the Upper Deck #1 card much better
I had a Mark McGwirre score card rookie & Barry Bonds third season along with a Dan Marino Topps rookie I lost them all in my youth to a pawn shop I was in a bad situation needed the money so I can relate
Barry, you are one of the greatest ever....despite the fact that you rudely ignored my family and I in Milwaukee
TRIMARTheaters why was it rude ?
I went to Giants fan fest a few years ago, waiting in line Barry Bonds was riding his bicycle that passed us, stopped to sign autographs, course we all stormed him for pics and autographs, we still love him and he didn’t appreciate it till later after his career
"Haters are going to hate. Ballers are going to ball." - Dave Chappelle
Barry Bonds was the Greatest player i ever seen...With or without
As a youth growing up in the 80s...this man was my idol...him...McGuirre...Conseco...they all broke my heart...Raphie Palmero...all them...
Barry bonds is easily a top 10 player of all time. Honestly he’s in my top 3. This dude had a Hall of fame career before he every put on a giants uniform. Straight legend.
D Andrews facts
@ClevelandGOAT 4 of those MVPs while cheating, lol.
@@blingman78 so you saying the 7 silver sluggers and 3 mvps before that isn’t hot worthy?
Molly with the coronavirus coughs
marvelous marvin 😂😂
She's choking on something else.
Makes you realize how great Ken Griffey Jr was. 50 home runs a year when everyone was on steroids and he wasn’t.
S Garris he was one of the best
And yet Bonds was still the better overall hitter than him by a lot before he juiced.
Jim Taylor....... lol, ummm NO!!!
Dennis Leavitt
(1990-1998): These two in their primes before Bonds used-
Griffey (1248 Games) :
.304/.384/.582, .966 OPS, 154 OPS+
Bonds (1332 Games):
.305/.438/.600, 1.038 OPS, 181 OPS+
Yes.
Jim Taylor...... not a lot...... I’d say.... a bit...... ohh, why didn’t you put in batting average?? Doesn’t fit your narrative?
Max is so right, raided up Bonds was like an adult playing against 12 year olds. Bonds and Ted Williams are the greatest hitters ever, everyone else is below them.
Frank Noneofya Don’t forget Hank Aaron
Bonds isn’t even in the top ten greatest hitters and max couldn’t be more wrong.
@@leffty2gunnz lmaoooo yeah so HR record, BB record, career .444 OBP. Lets not forget that the first 7 years of his career he played in Pittsburgh, where its notoriously not a hitters park. Oh and let's not forget, career intentional walks leader and only player ever to Crack 100 IBB in one season, something that won't ever happen again.
@@leffty2gunnz what a stupid comment
@@leffty2gunnz lol you are about to be educated..
Barry Bonds is the GOAT
LOL no way
gtosrule haters gonna hate
@@BBNNetwork9 No Hate just truth. HE CHEATED to get the numbers! Plain and simple
Babe Ruth was outhitting entire teams. Did Bonds?
he hit HR's on juicers... 80% of the league was on it.. wake up people! This man would get 2 pitches to hit over the span of 2 weeks and he would hit them out of the park!
The casual fan has no idea how difficult that really is...to be that locked in...pure talent...
Mr. Frost look how many times he got walked. Outstanding. Steroid didn’t help his vision and plate patience.
@@fuddyduddie1205 no but the hgh he was on most certainly helped his eyesight and coordination. He wasn't using steroids but a customized growth hormone how do you not know this?
Many people used but 80% is a gross overestimation. No player has ever put the number anywhere near that high.
Barry Bonds said he thought the cream was NIVEA
He belongs in the HOF, hands down, no questions
"Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to see me sock a few dingers?"
Barry Bonds the only guy that everyone says was using steroids, but never failed a drug tests 😂😂
He never got caught and should be in the hall of fame.
you could look at him and tell c'mon man you can grow a full sz shoe in your late 30's and grow a hat sz a full inch...facts
if you can't tell he was on steroids you need glasses bro you can't grow an inch in shoe sz in your late 30's or better yet grow an in hat sz either...smh
@Olallo Delgado no he didn't he let his trainer go to jail for him and bonds never admitted it unlike McGuire he wanted to get back in baseball in some form and he did barry didn't get back in right away but ended up being a hiiting coach for the marlins but unfortunately they have only 2yrs left to get on and I just don't see it but they both belong in.
hate to bust your bubble but albert was on them to his name had whispers on the mithchel report as well so if the players are not allowed in the manager and commissioner as well should not be in as well they benefited from them knowing they were on it.
It's just that simple.
You're forgetting the career IBB and single season IBB leader with 535 IBB and 184 in one season
MLB Golden boy trouty will NEVER come close to that
@@nickr3441 he will get close in career walks if he stays healty
Although ken griffey was my fav player...I remember that historic season..seeing bonds...Sosa..and McGuire was crazy...I think I was in middle school .and everyday I wake up see sports center and at least on them was always blasting one out of the park..I'm not really a big baseball fan...but I remember wanting to tune in to see who was going to break the record...bonds is one of the goats...bonds
.Clemens..specifically them dudes juice or no juice are the goats of they position and you can't tell the story of baseball without them
Love Junior
Nothin' but Facts!
That’s true true
JR hit high 50’s without juice...Bonds couldn’t hit 40 without roids
33moneyball Barry also got on base on a .444 clip his whole career
Barry Bonds: when was I supposed to know I was taking steroids?
When you win the “most improved hitter” award at 44 years old.
Bonds was the greatest player of all time! He was incredible! HOF for Bonds!!
Bonds and rose are the two greatest hitters that ever lived. They can pretend they never existed but we all saw it when it happened.
No bonds is not, He is the greatest cheater ever.
Joe DiMaggio hands down!
@@4149stonepony Yes cuz steroids help your technique.
@@MrML4L No, but they do make you swing faster and help your muscles recover quicker than without the juice. Nice Try!
Ty Cobb, Tony Gwynn, and Ichiro were better contact hitters than Pete rose. He just played the longest
Barry Bonds was never found guilty of using steroids. Just accusation.
Shawn Morris : Did u see him and mark McGuire the following year. They lose that steroid weight really fast.
Sorry to read that you are blind...have someone you know describe the extreme changes in his body!
nibsvkh : c’mon man these guys cheated it’s obvious. Bonds was averaging 30 to 40 home runs a season at 38 he’s hitting over 70 home runs probably 100 if he wasn’t walk. McGuire Sosa and bonds would’ve come clean they’re be in the HOF right now Hank Aaron is still number one with out steroids.
Bonds and Sosa turned into hulks during the juicing era. Big Mac was always a beefy dude but his forearms were bigger than Popeyes during the steroid era. No simple accusation. No full throated pontification. Pure factual reality.
Your Name Here : let’s put this to rest they’re never get into HOF once they find out u cheated it’s over so enjoy your millions u made from baseball and call it a day.
Guy would charge kids for an autograph. Steroids isn’t the only thing people hate the guy for.
Chris Roids
A lot of guys charge for autographs.
Barry Bonds most feared man with a bat. Even Buford Pusser .
Barry Bonds and Pete Rose should be admitted into the Hall of Fame today!!
Agreed
MLB was on the floor and would’ve been today without Sosa , McGuire and Bonds
If Barry Bonds isn’t in the Hall of Fame there shouldn’t be one. You can’t convict him if he never failed a drug test.
Apparently you can
I watched Barry play every single day for 9 yrs while playing for Giants. I followed him when he was with the Pirates. What I saw was a dude who was a freak of nature. Speed, hand eye coordination, defense, accuracy, longevity, knowledge of strike zone, list goes on. I saw him getting caught between bases, the first baseman caught ball and ran full speed at Bonds who was standing. When Bonds realized that the 1st baseman was running at him full speed to tag Bonds, his glove was about 2 feet from reaching his arm. Barry began to run towards second and outran the 1st baseman. My jaw dropped because did dude went from zero to full speed within 2 seconds an beat the outstretched arm of a young 1st baseman running at full speed. The guy is in the 500-500 club. NOBODY will EVER come close to that. Bonds grew bigger and stronger as did most of the stars in the mid 90's and 00's. Steroids or not, the guy was amazing. Many others used different performance enhancers but NOBODY came remotely close to what bonds achieved. Or will anyone deny the physical transformation of bAGWELL, Salmon, McGwire, P. Rodriguez, Piazza, Caminiti, Sheffield, AROD, and many others? people who were skinny developed bodies as pro wrestlers. Some say it happens through the years but whatever. It is clear that baseball is punishing Bonds for his behavior towards the league and the people that now hold his enshrinement in their hands (sports journalists). Regardless of, to me, he was the best player ever. Unfortunately (Dusty Baker) he never won a championship.
Juice head with a horrible personality
@RAUDO DUVAL I can TOTALLY respect and agree with what you are saying, yet, there is a little detail regarding his playing years after 2004. He had a serious knee issue which sidelined him for a long time and he was never the same (in addition to being over 40). Still, he was a tremendous threat. As I mentioned in my post. Baseball's history has been plagued by cheaters, racists, wife beaters, drunks, etc. To condemn a generation and its elite players who single handed resurrected a dead sport is not right. Bonds "enhanced" his ability to hit Hr's but, it was Bonds, not any other player who reached the stratosphere. So, if I had to judge by his 22 seasons, I think he should be in the HOF. I know for a fact that there are people in there that already tainted the HOF. Actually, just the fact that there was a negro league with players with better numbers than many white current HOF players says it all. Let us not pretend to be so righteous and just. I do agree with many of the things you said especially his behavior with players. Not to excuse him but he did mention that a lot of his behavior was motivated by the treatment his dad received by media.
@@josephc9200 lol, indeed, his persona was off to say he least but, people have the right to redeem themselves and Barry has done great, great deeds in SF. He is ADORED there and that is a fact.
@@joan.oviedo7ace3 Had Bonds Not Suffered That Injury Bonds Would've Had Another Torrid Pace
NO MATTER WHAT, one of the best baseball player to play the game
NO MATTER WHAT on of the biggest disgraces in American sports history
Was he ever caught using?
Cause the Astros were caught ..Right?
Red Sox cheated too btw
Steroids had saved MLB during that time!!
_Optimistic__ __ facts
My fav Bonds stat is one Peter Gammons used to cite: there was a point halfway through a season (maybe it was 2004) when Bonds had more home runs than swings-and-misses. The guy’s greatest asset was his eyes, not his roided-up arms. Almost every other HR king has been a human windmill, but Bonds had unbelievable plate discipline.
But without roids a lot of those homers would have been fly outs
Barry Bonds is the perfect example of the old saying: You reap what you sow.
He got what he deserved before he juiced. He got what he got after he juiced
And now, he's getting what he deserves after his career is over.
As far as I'm concerned, if you take the short money then, you give up the right to ask for the long money now.
The Future Is Here he’s kicking it
Bonds will always be one of my favorites, because of the four hopper he threw to the plate, allowing a one legged Sid Bream to score. Thus sending my Braves to their first World Series, with his noodle arm. 😀
Bonds always sucked in the playoffs. They were in the NLCS against the Reds in 1990, and the Braves the year before the Bream play, and all 3 times Bonds absolutely sucked at the plate.
I loved watching Barry Bonds break the HR record
2:04 someone’s ring doorbell lol
Exactly how was Mark McGwire not hall of fame material when he hit 49 homers in his rookie year ?
Good point, but McGwire admitted he was using in his college days. From day one, he was using. Sosa was not a HOF until he did use (allegedly, nothing was ever proven). Their point is that Pirates-era Barry was already HOF-bound. Giants-era Barry should have no ill effect on Bonds HOF-eligibility. Same w/ Red Sox-era Clemens vs. TOR, NYY & HOU-eras. Personally that's bull. Let 'em ALL IN or keep 'em ALL OUT. Imho.
McGwire 1985 topps rookie went for $200 raw back in 98. Now $5.00 raw.
@@naturallawman2965 Yeah but, Bonds was convicted by a grand jury for lying about steroid use.
a million baseball players took steroids in the 80's,90's and into the 2000's but only 1 player had the talent to make the steroids work the way Barry did. Mark and Sammy could only do one thing with it.
Alexander Marquardt Sammy sosa doing nothing else in his career other than being the only person to ever hit 60 home runs 3 years in arow isn’t the most important thing. Barry did so much else and had so much talent it was insane
Barry Bonds was the Marlins’ hitting coach a couple of years ago and quit on them in the middle of the season. What death sentence?
He was fired.
barry bonds is THE greatest player to ever pick up a baseball bat...
ONLY member of the 400/400 club...
ONLY member of the 500/500 club...
🙌🙌🙌
Cheaters don’t deserve glory
@@bingevintage8124 ty cobb, mike piazza, ivan rodriguez. Should I continue
Lmao I don’t see steroids being a problem. Folk still gotta make contact with the ball 🤷🏾♂️.
Thank you. I've been saying that for years.
You know. Steroids make you faster and Excell your hand eye cordanation tho rite? It's not just muscles in your arms
steroids do alot more then just help put on muscle lol
@Baby87......No roids don’t help “hand-eye coordination”. They DO allow you to wait on pitches longer (faster bat speed), however you still have to swing the bat where the ball will be. Roids don’t magically point out where to swing the bat, you have to know where to swing the bat and how to time the swing.
The argument against Bonds isn’t about having amazing contact with the ball. It’s about would he still be crushing homers into the twilight of his career or would they be just warning track shots.
The real question should be about asterisking his HR title for the record books, not does he belong in the HOF.
If one makes the case that he “cheated” and therefore can’t be in the Hall. Then every person who ever cheated shouldn’t get in, or should be removed if already in......which I’d be ok with then, but no one ever is. There’s always excuses and extenuating circumstances as to why said player did something outside the rules and they need an exception.
It’s real simple, put him in the hall and then asterisk any/all records he set/broke during those few juiced years.
@@Silver_79 he wasn't using steroids but a customized form of hgh which is very different than traditional steroids. Your
entire point is invalid.
Back in the day's mostly everybody was on the juice. Besides a few guys like Cal Ripken Jr. and Ken Griffey jr
Yo and lowkey there’s people that thinks griffey was on it too that’s why his body fell off same with Pujol
Alberto De la cruz yea but he never tested positive
@@samkellogg2805 neither did bonds tho
Ja'Rell Smith but he had a paper trail did Griffey?
@@samkellogg2805 actually neither did. The only link to steroids wit bonds was the trainer and he went to prison bc he wouldn't testify against bonds. His head got bigger lol but nothing was ever proven
He is still achieving solid Strava stats to this day
strava😂
Barry Bonds is in my hall of fame no matter what
Mine too he’s the GOAT
If he goes in theb sammy, mark ,clemens should also go in
Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire were phenomenal baseball players with or without PEDs. People don’t realize that you still need to perform.
After what the Houston Asterisks did Bonds, McGwire and Sosa should be in the HOF
Houston Asterisks 😂😂😂😂😂
Perennial 30-30 guy, MVP, Gold Glove winner long before steroids.
@James Horton That's ridiculous. For starters, Ken Griffey Jr, Willie Mays, and Hank Aaron were better.
Math Prof Small the only guy on that list that was better than pre roid Bonds was Mays.
(1990-1998): Bonds and Junior in their primes before Bonds used-
Griffey (1248 Games) :
.304/.384/.582, .966 OPS, 154 OPS+, 83 DRS, 62.5 bWAR, 61.1 fWAR
Bonds (1332 Games):
.305/.438/.600, 1.038 OPS, 181 OPS+,
112 DRS, 76.3 bWAR, 78 fWAR
Bonds was always better than Junior. Junior was only better than him defensively, given the positional value of CF and him being so elite at it. But Bonds was the clearly superior all around hitter and baserunner, while also being an awesome fielder.
We can also go by WAR7, which a player’s peak by adding up the a player’s best 7 seasons regardless of when they were (in other words, not necessarily a consecutive 7 year stretch). Bonds’ pre roid WAR7 is 62.6. Griffey’s is 54. Aaron’s is 60.3.
Math Prof Small way better? What are you smoking? You can argue for any, but no way Bonds isn’t with elites of the game. You’re out of your mind.
s glaze Bonds was on track for the goat convo before he used. I’m amazed that people don’t remember this.
Jim Taylor totally agree. NFL players use and get a 4 game suspension and all is forgotten.
Never failed a drug test in his career
A lot of people "never fail a drug test". It doesn't mean they don't use them.
Trey Abbey never said he didn’t use but if there wasn’t a rule in place or suspicions or fines or testing then he didn’t break any rules and was doing what everyone else was doing. MLB is just holding it against Bonds and Clemons since they were the best to ever play while on gear
@@ShooterSanoff That is nonsense. There are others who aren't in the HOF because they used PEDs, Clemens and Bonds aren't being singled out. It only seems that way because these shows talk about Bonds a lot more than any other players.
Yes you're right Barry Bonds never failed a drug test. According Barry Bonds to himself he said they text me everyday they chose to..
Whether you guys like it or not, this man is statistically the best player of all-time, especially when you take era into account. No way around that.
Do so-called PEDs improve skill and ability, or do PEDs improve a persons ability to physically recover from the grind of playing 162 games in a season.
I am willing to bet many men honored in the MLB Hall of Fame did shameful things during their playing careers. But, they were honored by being selected to the Hall of Fame. The difference is that whatever act they committed did not bring public shame and scrutiny to MLB.
Pete Rose and Barry Bonds deserve to be in Hall of Fame.
You ruined the HOF chances by using the steroids, regardless of what you did prior.
You ruined the marriage by using pornography to get stimulated, regardless of what you did prior.
He should've been first ballot.. only man In the 500-500 club
only because he CHEATED - he never would have hit that many home runs it's not even close.
slewofdamascus - and no World Series Championships.
@@slewofdamascus he had hit 450 before the steroids and nobody else even has 300 homeruns with 300 stolen bases and this man has over 700 home runs and over 500 stolen bases. Nuff said
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@@slewofdamascus baseball needs this. The sport is slowly dying as America's past time and needs a new Allstar or rule change, something to resurge the game, because it has turned stale. You're gonna tell me an exciting player is worse to watch, than an entire team cheating its way too a championship?
This was one of the best debates I've watched.. both make some really really good points here! I was always a big Bonds fan growing up and was in college playing baseball when he went on his roid run.. we knew what was going on but still watched and didn't care. Hahaha. He should be in the HOF for sure. I remember those Pirates days and early Giants seasons where he was over .300 and 30/30 with a Gold Glove. It was consistent.. I think Pete Rose should be in there as well.
The thing with Bonds was that he was so amazing without steroids that when he started doing steroids his numbers became something out of a video game. It was impossible for his numbers to be accepted at face value, but that era is filled with steroids users, the majority of juicers that had regular numbers.
I remember playing a season with him in a video game, and the number of home runs i hit with was ridiculous. Good times :)
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I noticed Alex Rodriguez has been accepted back into MLB as an announcer and a potential owner. Meanwhile, Bonds, Sosa, McGuire and Clemens get thrown under the bus by hypocritical sports writers and kept out of the MLB's nearly worthless Hall of Fame.
Two things:
- Bonds and McGwire both had coaching jobs with MLB teams.
- The Hall of Fame isn't run by MLB.
@@Lord_Bibulous Coaching jobs is hardly the same as being welcomed back by MLB like A-Rod has been.
@@infiniteuniverse9528 You're not making sense. ARod has been a broadcaster since retiring. The companies that hire him aren't a part of MLB. McGwire and Bonds have been coaches, in uniform in the dugout during MLB games. How is that not being accepted back?
@@Lord_Bibulous If you don't see a difference between the way Bonds, McGuire, Sosa and Clemens are treated from A-Rod, maybe you need to apply for a weed license for your glaucoma problems.
@@infiniteuniverse9528 How about you take your own advice. Because the point you're making has no weight. Besides Sosa who has been MIA in the Dominican Republic bleaching his skin. Clemens, McGwire and Bonds have been involved in MLB events in some capacity since their retirements. Clemens was inducted in the Red Sox Hall Of Fame, Bonds had his number retired by the Giants and again coached on the Marlins, McGwire has coached for the Cardinals and Padres. Where do you see them not being accepted back in MLB if *they're wearing MLB f'n uniforms?!?!?* I mean use your noggin. I got nothing else to say.
Home Run King nobody will pass him up GOAT
Home Run cheater. His fake stats should be erased
To me, hall of fame rules should be simple.
You get caught juicing a certain number of times you don’t make it.
“But [player x] juiced and he’s in!” Well take him out.
“But [player y] juiced and never got caught!” He’s in then. The league should have caught him.
“It’s more complicated than that.” Why?
Same goes for the championships and sign stealing. Just strip the cheaters of their championships. Who cares if no one technically won that year? At least the record books are clean.
Probably the only time I have agreed with Stephen A. Smith. Bonds is one of, if not the best MLB player ever.
He's NOT. Just isn't.. You can say MLB was aware and they were... But Bonds along with Sosa and Mac ruined the record books forever.. MLB should have erased those records a long time ago.
If you don't wanna let barry in, it's only fair to remove Jeff Bagwell and Mike piazza