Tegeler Audio Manufaktur TSM Tube Summing Mixer
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- Опубліковано 19 лип 2024
- In this video, we look at the Tegeler Audio Manufaktur Tube Summing Mixer
Although I encourage you to watch the entire video, especially if you are new to analog summing I have a few times stamps if you want to skip all the good stuff. :)
3:04 - Routing in DAW
20:32 - A/B summed vs non-summed
25:33 - final conclusion & free gift
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What a difference when you A/B. Audio summing is amazing and you teach it well Dave.
Thanks Woodbeast!
You really explained in very details in best way. Thank u so much. Made my ideas clear.
Thanks for watching.
Great job with this. Not always a subject that is easy to explain. I also use analog summing; as well as Studio One software, and an Apollo interface. Your video confirms that the way that I originally set up my summing and and how I currently use it (from the routing to the printing) is correct and exactly the same way that you have it! 😊 Good to know because setting it all up was pretty confusing and not very fun! Thank you!
Thanks Dean!
Very good explanation I love your videos please keep them coming
Thanks Larry
Thank you my friend! I was looking at this one :)
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The mix also sounds "wider" and "deeper" with the summing unit.. UA-cam is doing a good job!
Thank you for watching.
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Awesome as always David, I can hear clearly what it did to the mix..
Any one watch this video will understand how to connected and use it in no time.. and I am really thinking to get one for me soon..
Bus I really wish to see your review for the Tegeler "Raumzeitmaschine - Tube Reverb" .. And see how you will use it in your mix.
Thanks Sam. I am going to be doing reviews on all of their hardware so stay tuned!
Very informative! Thank you!!
you're very welcome
Thanks for video . Difference is clear !
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Hi David, thanks for the great tutorial!! I got the the Tegeler tube summing mixer and just getting my head around summing. My interface has 16 outs so I was planning to dedicate 8 outs to the summing mixer so that I can mix through it from the beginning. My question is the following: to hear my mix and what I'm doing I need to make my return go to an audio track and "record enable" it, correct?. The problem is that when I solo a single track for instance, to hear it, I need to also solo the "record enabled" track. If I "solo safe" it doesn't work somehow. So if I want to hear anything in solo, I have to manually also go solo that return audio track. Is there a better way?
That is correct. I dont know of a better way, sorry.
excellent video for beginners and veterans!
Thank you!
Hi David, may I ask one more question? I am using the tegeler summing mixer and wonder if it is normal that the output is about 7.5db quieter than the signal coming in (even with the big knob being at 0db)? Thanks!!
no its not.
Question not specific to Tegeler, my Interface only has 4 outs, so is there a different unit you would recommend that wasn't as pricey (less ins)? Also, would running either each channel or even each bub through an analog tube channel yield a favorable result?
No less expensive unit I can think of. Good summing mixes are not cheap. Thee are some things out there that are less expensive but honestly I would not use them
I have a question for you David? Would you just monitor your outputs of the summing mixer as your EQing to tape For the printed track,
yes
Great video mate! I've just got my Tegeler. Did you have any issues with the volume returning pretty low?
No. I have not had that issue at all. Thanks for watching
Jake after a year are you still using your Tegeler TSM?
I had the same problem. You have to open up inside and change to 115v or 230.
GREAT VIDEO!
Thanks for watching!
Did you try any other summing mixers before settling on the Tegeler?
Yes, I had a Dangerous Music D-Box for about 3 years. That was a nice unit as well but only had 8 channels of summing.
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I am looking at getting a antelope interface which has only dsub connection, so if I do dsub to dsub does it automatically give you all the outsputs!!!!? or you still need to get physical ones also, 8 physical 8 outs?
Yes it should.
Is the processing you had on the return 7-8 recorded onto the print track? If it was it would of been nice to hear the A/B
comparison without those plug-ins enabled
I dont remember this video is several years old. Sorry
Love that mixer!
Thanks for watching!
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is correct saying that you are already creating a sort of analog summing using the NLS plugins of Waves? cause is like sending to a physical mixer with it's saturation.. So actually you are doubling the summing mixer now :)
In a sense yes but the hardware sounds way different than a plugin.
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy Yes! For Sure!
Perhaps this is what I've been seeking. 🤔
Thank you for watching!
do you think it would be a waste for me to just hook up 2ins/2outs and do the routing in the daw?
I really like the sound of this box so maybe I thought I could just use it for my 2bus/group stems running through the box at a time then print and repeat for other stereo groups and so on.
I'm just asking since I'm not using multible ins/outs simultaneously. Thanks
Sure, you can do that but for this amount of money I would tell you get something like an SSL Fusion as opposed to a summing mixer
I'm not sure whether you covered this in another video, but I'd like to know whether it pays to use static EQ at all when I can use dynamic instead? Should I throw away my Fab ProQ2 and just use Waves F6, Neutron or Ozone Dynamic EQ instead? That is, when would you still use static EQ? I'm thinking that there are some color EQs like the Pultec, or the Neve 1073 that can add some sweetness (esp on group busses and the 2Buss). Would you agree? Would you say that Dynamic EQ is more useful for subtractive EQing, and the vintage EQs better for additive?
It seems as though there's a trend to use dynamic processing over static - see Maserati on vocals and others...
Thank you for your help.
yes, all EQ sound a bit different. I would not throw any of them away
Would a Presonus Quantum 2626 play nice with the Tegeler TSM? I'm thinking maybe Dsub to Dsub. I have the Quantum, just trying to decide on a summing mixer.
yes, of course.
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy Thanks for the quick answer. It's the Dsub cable standards I'm worried about, but maybe that's a thing of the past.
Can you just use it as a stereo summing box, sending just the left and right outputs to it and back?
sure....
The Apollo Thunderbolt must be different from my Apollo Firewire. I have Monitor L/R plus Line Outs 1 through 8. So If I send Line Outs 1 through 8 to my summing mixer, I still have Monitor L/R available for something else. It's strange that they did away with Line Outs 5 and 6.
Yea you are correct
Good day question suppose you have a analog mixer and a summing mixer how would you connect those using af da convertors
I wouldn't. If you have an analog mixing desk you do need a summing mixer
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy so how would you connect you ad da convertors analog mixer and summing mixer
Wow, I gotta get this ASAP 🧐😝🔥🤓😎
Thanks for watching!
Can I simply just rout the two channel stereo mix into this box and and print back to my DAW?
I just want to run the whole mix thru the box don’t care about the individual stims.
Yes, you can do that for sure
The DAW sounds nasal, the TSM sounds rounded, thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching!
Summing Mixer before or after the Mixbus ?
After
so that Summing box is 8 channels of summing....mmmmmmm really 16 is where us start feeling a difference...in depth and width...
no its actually 40 channels of summing
i hear a difference on macbook pro speakers :)
Thanks for watching
Couldnt you just get the same effect with a tube buss compressor? And save money in not buying an additional ad converter
Actually, yes. I would recommend something like the SSL fusion
how you was able to get the tryout in the us. Thought it was just for Europe?
it wasn't back then. This video is almost 3 years old