Presonus Studio One 3 -Analog Summing
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I recently switched to studio one from PT and came across this video while watching your other studio one videos. Gave it a listen out of curiosity though I already use analog summing.
Your setup apollo/d-box is exactly like mine and I would agree on the difference in sound having done it for a few years now.
I haven't done this test in studio one but I did it in pro tools and I imagine it would be the same. I tried putting channels 7 and 8 on the D-box in mono instead of 4 stereo sums then routing the kick/bass to 7 and 8 respectively versus keeping them on a stereo channel. I was quite surprised at the difference.
I tried this on a few different tracks and now 7/8 I just keep in mono. The low end/stereo imaging feels more defined.
I do allot of electronic music so the kick is very important but often I route things through drum buss/parallel buss as well and want the kick in the buss. In those cases I often just put a low cut on the stereo group and route the kick through it. Then I will take a send of the kick channel and bring it back on an aux and send that out mono. It's less noticeable when I am working on a more rock/less bass heavy type of track.
I suggest giving it a go sometime and I would be curious if you find the results as noticeable as I did.
Thank you very much for the tip! You are 100% correct and I would recommend anyone using a D-box try your method for sure. Thank you for sharing with the cormmunitity.
I also have an Apollo going out to a Dbox and have been using one of the mono tracks for bass guitar, but I like the idea of using the other mono channel for kick (I use it for lead vocals sometimes and let a stereo pair handle reverbs/delays). However, if sending the kick to its own Dbox channel, how do you handle doing bus compression on drum bus? Do you just not include the kick on a drum bus?
"you're just gonna make you're bad mix sound like its an analog bad mix" awesome! thx for this info I'm actually getting started and a newbie to the sound engineering world, I have such an awesome mentor who has recommended me to follow you and gotta say I've learned a lot from both of you. Still working on getting my mixes well done and balanced before I get to this point I just wanted to see what summing was all about.
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Thanks again for that great tutorial. I use a Midas F24 for summing and because I don't like the FW connection (cheap connector and you are able to put the cable 180˚ in) of that mixer I bought an Antelope Orion 32 and the sound has improved a lot.
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This was helpful thank u I just got a dbox plus the black box its a amazing summing box
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As always, excellent example. Well explained.
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I Would love to hear an A/B comparing In the box sum versus analog sum.
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You made the best explanation on the internet!!!
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Great video on analog summing!. Thank you much my man
+Lee Da Hitman thanks for the kind words! Glad you enjoyed the video
Great video. Opened up a whole new world for me
Glad to hear Kenny! Thanks for watching!
thanks , nice ,, could you use the ssl six instead of the d box as ii only have 2 in /2 out audio interface , thanks
not sure. I dont know anything about the SSL 6
Hi David!
What about using an analog console as the summing device? We could have individual channels to recieve the "stems" and fine tune them and phisically tweak the sound. Or send them trough the aux to valve preamps and warm the sound, and then from the analog console back to to the audio interface and the print channel.
Well, just an idea...
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+tinytoon1 Absolutely. If you have an analog console then that is the best option for sure. I wish I had the luxury to have one for a while...lol
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Congrats on the move! The plugins these days are so good that if used properly you will achieve that analog sound and feel.
Great vid! I have a question. Let's say you have an outboard compressor and you want to send your drum buss through that compressor. How can you do that if you have all your outputs being sent to the d box? Is that possible? Thanks!
+Juan Germano I think you would need additional outputs so you can reserve a few outputs for that. Not sure becasue I do have that set-up .....YES...lol
have you tried summing your busses back through the Studio Live?
I have not yet.
I would think with the additional compressors in the new Studio Live that you could get some descent coloration on your tracks.
How do you route the effects? Do you include the drum effects in the drum stem? And the guitar effects with the guitar stem? Or do you bus all effects to their own stereo in? Can you include all effects for all instruments with the stem of the vocals? Curious.
Yes to the stems
Hi Dav,
you dont need to send on stems the EFX bus anymore ?
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how are you including your FX sends? example; snare plate or vocal reverbs. how are you getting these sends summed into your final stereo mix down
+Don Lev I route the output of the FX channel to a stem just like any other track.
Hello I have Avid HD 16X16 How can set up with the Dangerous D-BOX? Avid HD Don't have Monitor Out
I am not familiar with the Avid unit so I am not sure. I would contact Dangerous Music as i am sure they can help
Love the d box /studio one tuts!
I noticed on your first video you were using the D-box and the dangerous lt.
Are you just using the d-box for all your summing now? or just in this tutorial?
I was just curious if you are basically getting the same summing punch just using the
d-box?
thanks so much
cheers!
Just using the Dbox at this point and the punch and clairity is the same as when I was using the LT. Just have less summin channels
HI THANKS FOR SHARING THE TIPS.. IVE FOLLOWED ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS. I MYSELF OWN THE SAME SET UP.. IM WONDERING WHY IM GETTING NO AUDIO PLAYBACK ON THE INPUT LINE OF CHANEL 7/8 . THATS THE FINAL STEP LEADING TO THE MAIN OUT WHICH IS SPDIF . THE APOLLO COMES WITH A MIXER WITH SETTINGS...WITH THAT BEING SAID.. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL STEPS NEEDED TO ADJUST THE APOLLO MIXER FOR PLAYBACK RESULTS ?
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Great video, kinda confusing but I’ll just have to watch it more than once for it to set in properly. Now quick question, is this routing (including a print track) the same method one would use for getting the functions of say an outboard EQ or sonic maximizer onto the your recorded tracks (hope that makes sense)?...BTW I use studio one with the presonus 16.4.2 as the audio interface...thanks again for the hugely informative videos!!!!
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I have a very similar setup but I don't have any signal to my print track from the 2 track input, (7-8 in this video). Signal is coming back in, and the 2 track channel is selected for the input of the print track. No signal there. Anyone have any suggestions?
make sure that your print track has the "monitor" button enabled
Thanks for this vid. I recently just purchased dangerous music LT. You made setting it up a breeze!!! And I didn’t know that you can put plug-in on the input section!!!!! Made printing so easy!! THANKS! Great video. One quick question how would you go about parallel compression on the mix bus using plugins via a send bus? I tried putting on my print track but I get a feed back loop feeding it through the dangerous music LT and out into S1. Any tips? Suggestions? Thanks again
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i saw in you old video you used 16 channels. do you notice any sonic difference lumping the tracks down into 8 vs 16?
+Jeffrey Hucik not at all. the was no audible difference to my ears.
+Home Recording Made Easy great thanks. I own an SPL Mixdream with 16 channels and needed to steal a few on my outputs so will have to group some stems together thanks!
+Jeffrey Hucik anytime!
I use PT and I have a Black Lion PM-8 summing mixer and I can't figure out how to get it to use I need help badly Lol
Good luck getting it to work with PT.....sorry but I cant help with that.
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hey david thanks for the video,I have 2 questions the first Ido you send all your effects sends through one of the stereo stems and for those of us who use the ik multimedia arc is it safe to put that on the master buss post insert being its comes after the print track and we can keep it on when recording to the print track in real time Thanks
+Ronnie Angell Hi Ronnie - I think you can do what your suggesting because that ultimately is the final out-put bus
HAs anyone else done this but got Audio coming through to the print track AND the Main outs at the same time? like an echo? I don't know how to fix this...Trying to figure it out. Using a Heritage Audio MCM-8 II
No idea, but thank you for watching!
I'm curious. I have a Mackie Onyx 1640i as my audio interface, which is an analogue mixer with 16 in/out FireWire. I'm able to route tracks from S1 to the mixer and back. Would going through the 1640i's analogue interface back to an S1 print track serve the same function as using a summing device? Or would I need to buy a separate summing device?
+Braun Haus Media, LLC Same exact concept and yes, you are in fact then running you stems through the Mackie and that severed as your "summing" device. However, I am not sure about the quality of that paticular mixer and typically the more high end summing amps have much better transformers in them which in turn will give you a better analog effect. Having said that, running through the Mackie is better than not doing it at all.
+Home Recording Made Easy Thanks. It's Mackie's top of the line mixer and sounds pretty beautiful to me (and certainly cost me enough at the time), but I've long felt I haven't used it to its full potential. If I can figure out the routing on the thing, the idea of injecting at least some of the analogue sound into my mixes is enticing. My first years in a recording studio were spent using 24 track tape recorders and outboard effects, so the thought of being able to capture at least some of that sound would be great. As a small aside, I'll never forget the first time I heard a really great engineer work the board and bring a mix of one of my songs alive with simple EQ adjustments. It was a revelation. Some of the things you're teaching remind me of that. I'm in the midst of Mixing Made Easy Part 2 and have already learned a lot. I'm seeing what a difference it can make to a mix using the simple techniques you teach. Thank you for making these products available, especially at a price that's about a tenth (or less) than what others are charging.
+Braun Haus Media, LLC Thank you for the kind words and I am supper happy to hear that my series have helped you! If you want to add some additional analog vibe to your mixes consider the Slate Digital VCC and VTM tape machine. That will help a lot
What about the "LT"... How does that connect for you?
The LT was old years ago. This is a super old video
How are you? Im on Studio One and I just reconnected my Analog Summer. The problem is that when I print my mixes, I keep getting pops, clicks and drops out. How do you avoid this? Please help!
no idea. I have never has that issue
My second question is, after setting up the summing in the DAW etc, some of my tracks are only playing in the right monitor now. If I pan to the left, there's nothing... Not sure what I'm doing wrong. Please help if you can.
+tuberiea Make sure that the channel 7/8 dials on the first of the Dbox are panned hard left and right. That should fix it
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hi david hope you can help me ,all working well with summing only problem i have is on my print track.when I solo any channel my print track mutes cant ear anything,tried solo safe my print track didnt work what am i doing wrong thanks again
+Ronnie Angell you need to solo the print track as well when trying to solo any other track in order to hear the audio. Solo safe will not work for this. Also make sure the "monitor" or "speaker" button in on.
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thanks I was wondering about that,thanks again
How do you fix channels at the right side of the mixer?
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Hey man. Hope you see this.
I just bought the vst upgrade for my studio one V3.
I wish to use EZ drummer so I made the purchase.
Now when I go to my purchases I can see the item but I can't download it.
There are no options for me to do so.
Unlike the other products which have a red box and information of the download.
It sucks man.
No idea. Contact Presonus. I an sure they will straighten it out for you
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy I have a feeling that my laptop isn't powerful enough for the add on?
Can I get a refund if I haven't registered it?
I have no idea. Contact Presonus.
Question, when mixing, which button on the front of the dbox, should be pressed, the sum button or the daw button? Not understanding that.
+tuberiea the DAW button....thats POST summing
+Home Recording Made Easy. So when mixing, press the DAW button. Then what's the function of the sum button? I'm not quite understanding these two concepts. Someone said, the DAW button is bypassing the box and if you press that, it will be as though you're running out digitally again. I"m confused. POST summing, that's after the dbox? Please forgive my slow of understanding here. I've watched every video I can, but still not clear. Thank you by the way for this video, it really help me,
+tuberiea the best thing to do is go to the Dangerous Music website and download the Dbox manual. It explains all the buttons and their functions clearly. Hope that helps
+Home Recording Made Easy I did, and watched every video I could find. Fab at premix, yours and everything else. Thanks, I appreciate what you could do. I have the manual, just something missing for me. I'm sure it's simple, but I can't seem to figure it out. Thanks again.
did u make a protools vid on these same machines the dbox
no sorry.
@@HomeRecordingMadeEasy its all good i figured it out but u should tho be dope
how do you select all ur tracks at once, I saw u do that and the put plugins across all them at te same time....thanks
+Torn Horizon click on the first track, then hold down the shift key and click on all the remaining tracks you want to add the plugin too. Once all the tracks are "highlighted" just drag and drop the plugin on the first track and all the tracks you highlighted should be populated wit that plugin.
Keep in mind this only works in S1version 3. This feature was not in version 2
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Very interesting video, thanks David. I use the CTC-1 in Studio One. Does it make sense to use analog summing, too? Maybe I want to buy the TL Audio A4 or the SPL Mixdream XP.
I am not familiar with those pieces of gear but I love using analog summing
The basic question was => does it make sense to use analog summing, when I use CTC-1? Can I use both at the same time or is that too much? Is analog summing better than using CTC-1? Sorry for the confusion.
Yes you can use analog summing when using the CTC-1 for sure. In my mind it's not too much at all. However, you will hear different opinions on that.
what interface would you recommend using along with the D-box for pc users being that the apollo's are for mac users?
Apollo's can be used with PC as well. However you can also try the Presonus Studio 192 which is another great interface
apollo firewire right? was looking at the quantum it has no dsp its inergraded with studio one. but the d-box is a for sure buy
I used the thunderbolt Apollo but the firewire would work as well.
Hi David,What happen with Bus Efx, do you send those too ?Thanks
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Another great video but how does the routing for my bussing go when using NLS in S13 PRO instead of outboard gear? Thank You!
You simply route your busses to the main output. No special routing needed if you are not using outboard hardware
Thanks for your time and response.
Hej thanks , does the same process aplayes for the Dangerous Bus 2 LT thank you
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Would you set this up/use this as a session template as well, so you can track etc with the audio summing at the same time?
yes, use this as a session template
Is there a template for a UAD quad
Not sure I understand.
Home Recording Made Easy sorry I’m kinda new to this analog summing. You explained it well. I just got an analog summing unit and I have a UAD quad. I thought a template might help. I’ve. Been using studo one for a while so I’ll be fine. Thanks
Do you have to compensate for round-trip latency. after hitting the dbox
I do not believe so.
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So Dave, I'm a UAD Apollo x8 guy. Since you use UAD as well, is the UAD Neve Summing Amp worth the purchase compared to the D-Box? I know you mentioned in this video that the D-Box offers more than just the analog summing but if I were just looking for the functionality of summing, is the UAD Neve summing worth the purchase? Have you personally used/demo'ed it?
The hardware is better than their $300 plugin in my opinion