MK6, MK7 GTI Clutch Replacement (South Bend Stage 2 Endurance)
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2016
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In this video, guest Neil Campos - an ex Volkswagen Service Tech, installs Miles' new clutch! We go in depth on an install of a South Bend Stage 2 Endurance clutch (KTSIF-HD-OCE) capable of holding 450 ft-lb of torque. The same concept holds true for any GTI clutch, for most MK5 and MK6 Golf/GTI, with some differences for the AWD Golf R. We do not recommend any extreme beginner tackle this install on their own, as we got help ourselves. There are definitely harder installs out there, but clutches are not easy. We recommend doing a lot of research prior to tackling such a job, as well as having all of the right tools. This install is completely possible on jack stands but is made much easier with a lift. We also do not recommend bench-pressing the entire transmission out of the car like we did, but let it be known it’s totally possible. Some notes: make sure the pressure plate is facing the right direction, torque everything correctly, don’t forget to bleed the clutch after the install.
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Major shout out to Hawk @ Bandit Tuning for the clutch, and Neil for help with the installation.
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I liked this video so much I'm going to replace my clutch just for fun, as there is nothing wrong with it
I will take it out, then just put it right back in for practice, in case I have to do this for real someday
I might do it with the motor too
robert baker ha! Enjoy. While you’re in there, I’d suggest the clutch delay valve delete! Look it up if you haven’t heard of it - definitely improved clutch feel and response for me.
@@GTIModBlog I will, great videos, I seen the sequel as well
I wonder how much cheaper this would be than replacing a automatic transmission, and I mean remanufactured, not from the junk yard, because that would be equivalent of putting in a old clutch from the junk yard
@@GTIModBlog is this on the mk7 as well?
@@GTIModBlog Bro, what happens if you a Dual Mass Flywheel fails? What's the consequence?. I mean using the car with a Dual Mass Flywheel failing ? Will it work normal but making a noise only?
@@ElJaviTuning I have no idea mate
This video was a god send. I did a complete clutch and flywheel swap and lowered the car only to find I'd not put the wheels on. Thankfully 20:06 pointed me in the right direction or I'd have been without the car for another day
Glad we could help
A couple of years ago I replaced the slave cylinder on my MK5 GTI (TFSI). Surprisingly this so identical that I couldn't find any differences. I watched this video for a refresher since I'm looking to go Ko4 turbo. I am definitely going to need an upgraded clutch. Thank you guys for all you do!
Good job, well done. I'm in middle of replacing my clutch.. and, found this video. Thanks for the video . It helps me a lot.
Thank you! Glad to help, and good luck with your install.
Thanks. This was a great video showing how to do the CV Axles. Good camera work also.
Thanks, we appreciate it!
That tech makes it look like light work
He’s junk 🤣
Thanks guys. Just what I needed to see to help with my dual friction clutch change. PS: My Maestro was so much easier. LOL
Awesome Video 👏
excellent job and a good camera man
Wow you taken off and put back on the gearbox yourself 💪💪💪💪💪
level 1 cleared, now try an allison
That didn’t look too bad. Think I’ll do my own clutch replacement when it’s time. Thanks.
mine just blew
thanks for posting this. I have to do this on my wife's TDI SOON. Having done a lot of clutches in Japanese cars, this actually looks WAY easier. Just like everything I've had to do on this car so far, it seems like VW really made a lot of stuff easier to work on and access on the Golf than what I am used to with modern Japanese cars.
OrneryBear wow! i would’ve thought the other way around. you always hear so much about japanese cars being low maintenance and simple
@@GTIModBlog they are lower maintenance if you buy Honda or Toyota definitely, but they tend to cram a lot of stuff into a compact space with no regard to said maintenance. it's all about production assembly. for example, some differences between this MK6 clutch job and doing one on a modern civic. on the civic there are no axle flanges, or lower ball joint bolts. so to pull the transmission you have to pop the balljoint out of the knuckle, and then get the axle out of the transmission, so instantly draining oil everywhere. no controlled easy unbolt the axle and then one easy bolt for the flange. On the civic, it's not just unbolting a couple easy to get to mounts and starter and drop the trans right out the bottom. instead you are having to drop the subframe to get the trans out, so you're also going to need an alignment afterwards.
But ya to put it simply, so far whenever I've had to work on the VW I've been happy to find that VW seems to have thought about the fact that someone would be working on it and I can get to individual systems a lot quicker and easier.
Nice video, thanks!
Can you help me understand why the axle flanges need to be removed?
It makes things easier. Trust that process
Great video well done
Thank you! Appreciate it :)
Gawd this clutch replacement looks so easy 🤦🏽♂️ but I don’t got the right tools so I’ll be struggling for days just trying to get it out. I’ll just pay some one to install my clutch 😭🤦🏽♂️
Perfect video
Were the pressure plate bolts included? I received my kit and it only came with 8 bolts for the flywheel.
Just amazing thank you very much, just curiosity, I´m about to change my clutch 2 on my golf V 1.9 tdi, do you think I could follow those steps ?? how heavy approx. is the Gearbox ?? can a skinny guy lift it ? thx
great questions. i'm not sure if it's the same for the MK5. and yeah you could probably lift it.
If I'm doing a transmission swap is it just the same thing as this but putting a different transmission in during the re assembly?
How long did this install take? Great video, answered a lot of my questions. Been going back and forth if i should bring it to a shop or try and do it myself. My biggest issue is its my daily... and i dont have another form of transportation at the moment.
For Neil it was about 45 minutes, but I imagine it wouldn't take you more than 4-5 hours with little experience figuring it out yourself. Always stressful trying to fix your daily in a set amount of time, especially if you can't get a finnicky bolt undone.
I would say give it a try, be ready to give up if it's going to take you too long. Might as well spend a few hours learning a bit and need to take it to a mechanic than not try at all!
Hi one question, I change my clutch on Jetta 2009 tsi , and slave cylinder of pedal clutch , but now not wanna start , no crank or stat , nothing, you know why ? Thanks
This guy's a gun.
I also purchased SouthBend stage 2 endurance for my MKIV R32.
Good to hear! Have you put it in yet? Mine is holding up well!
GTI Mod Blog yes mine is holding well
anyone know the torque spec for the pressure plate? he listed the fly wheel but didnt for the pressure plate
14:25
When reinstalling the transmission, are there any specific things to do while attempting to align it? Or just bolt it in place?
Great video... Do you have any experience with installing a refurbished South Bend clutch? I'm on the fence about buying a stage 3 endurance that has been refurbished by SB along with surfaced flywheel. Curious if it should be expected to perform as new and last as long, with similar driving style. Thanks
I have no experience with refurbished clutches. The idea of them kinda scares me, but if it's done by SB (does it have any sort of warranty?) I would probably expect it to be fine. I've owned plenty of refurbished devices before and they've been fine.
Awesome video, thank you for making it. Quick question, why do you remove both axles if the housing for the clutch itself is next to the driver-side? I'm sure there is a good reason but I am not clear why you need to remove the axle on the passenger side.
It's not entirely necessary but makes it easier when doing the job alone, because the axle can make trans reinstall difficult. The passenger axle can fight you when you try to push the trans back on :)
Belle vidéo vue de la France
Merci!!
Did you replace the transmission mount bolts or did you reuse them?
Great video! I'm looking to do this on my MK6 golf R soon, and have yet to see anything close to as detailed as this video. I hear it requires a little more work (dropping subframe... etc.) what is your opinion on that? Is it possible to pull it without dropping the subframe?
Heath Martin did you end up changing the clutch by yourself? If so how was it?
paul ciupei Hey, it was quite the learning experience. This video helped a lot though, one thing you will have to do with the r is drop the subframe, and remove the driver side control arm. This is needed to make room for the extra rear drive shaft flange for the awd system.Make sure you buy new subframe and engine mount bolts as well, as they are torque to yield. You can pick them up at any vw parts store. Only other advice is have patience, buy a socket set of 12 points, and label everything you take off in baggies. Took me 12 hours with power tools. Of course there were pizza and beer breaks, but make sure not to rush it.
Heath Martin thanks man I appreciate the advise. One quick question I have is, did you use a car lift? Or did you manage to do everything with jack stands?
What tools and sizes do I need specifically please help I’m trying to replace my mk6 Jetta clutch and this is the only video I’ve found that is about my generation of vw
Is this entirely the same for the mk7 gti? Look like it was done on a mk6 but not sure.
I have golf gti edition35 I have no clue if it has dual mass fly wheel or single
Why no locktite on the flywheel bolts. My all came loss and took out my bottom end because of that reason ?
I've got a Mk5 Jetta with 2.0tsi, is there anything different ive got to do?
How much is full kit for golf 6 GTI manual, i want to upgrade mine
Is this a dual mass flywheel your replacing?? Thanks
Question so I just installed a single mass fly wheel on my GLI and now it's throwing check engine lights for random misfires? Is there some way for me to have this fixed other than putting a dual mass in it??
Most likely an unrelated issue. Check your coilpacks and spark plugs.
next time make sure you use a star pattern. always use a star pattern
like honestly
I cringed so hard when he was torquing it down
wtf how can you be a mechanic
in the devil we trust ?
I agree I think I yelled at my phone to try to get him to hear me
Hey where did you find the torque specs for the clutch??
Blady brilliant
We all have great hair!! Haha
🤦spelling mistake 😅
What 3-point engine support is that?
Hey this is the same guy who has the mk7 spring install tutorial didn't know y'all were in cahoots lol
He's a well known mechanic around here who helps all of us GTI guys with stuff we have difficulty with!
Can you show me at what part of the video is the torque converter seal located at please??? I ask because I need to change my torque converter seal in my 2014 vw Jetta se 1.8t automatic
This is a manual transmission car man, hence the clutch. No torque converter here.
How much does the transmission weigh?
that 3’ extension tho
What kind of right angled driver is that?
Is this the same for vw jetta 12?
I have a mk6 Jetta 1.8t gen 3 5spd manual. I’ve owned it used for 5 months just got 50k and my clutch went out. I’m in mechanic school but I haven’t got into transmission class yet but how similar is this to my engine and transmission?
Pretty much same steps.
- Deren & Neil
Is the torque correct on the flywheel bolts? Factory manual says 60NM + 1/4 turn stretch. Has the flywheel flown off yet? I was following this guide and torqued it to 75nm like in the video, I wanna fix it but I can't be fucked taking my gearbox out again.
The stock flywheel bolt is indeed 60 + 1/4 but I read this one was 75 online. FYI I also recall the stage 3 clutch is something ridiculous like 114nm. I wouldn’t sweat it man. Half the torques in this video we didn’t even use a torque wrench for and the car never had an issue. Happy driving.
mans pulled out the extendo 9000
Hey how is the chattering on it? curious to know cause I'm still debating on it.
It's definitely there. People review it with mixed results. Mine got quieter as time went on, some peoples get louder.
In general, I think South Bend clutches are known for their chatter in comparison to others. Honestly, I like the noise. It's not too loud, and I think of it as just another 'racy' noise like the turbo spool noise. It's audible at idle with the AC on (windows up) and audible with the AC off if your windows are down. But it's not very bad.
If you don't have an engine support bar where can you put a jack under the engine to keep it from falling since it has a plastic oil pan
Hi, Philo! Love your car, and enjoy hearing everything you have to say on the MQB Facebook group. Excellent question. I - along with most mechanics - would recommend using the factory support points and a proper bar. However, Black Forest Industries claims supporting from the oil pan won't cause you too much trouble. Just use a pad or block of wood between the jack and the oil pan as they are composite and prone to cracking (as we all know).
- Deren
I'm currently doing this on my A3, and im using two straps to mounted to the roof to keep the engine supported.
GTI Mod Blog thanks! And I appreciate the detailed response
is the clutch kit OEM? and is it the same clutch or a new 'stronger' version from VW that deals with their shitty failing clutch packs? Good work BTW, shotload of work to get to it!
This is an aftermarket clutch made by Southbend. It's much stronger than OEM. If you're looking to purchase one visit Bandit Tuning. You can view more info about the clutch in the video description.
Good video, so u work for benz?
manuel gus Neil does now, yes.
I got mine out by myself. Never tune your mk7 if you don't have stage 2 clutch. I fry my clutch and I'm working on change it. I got everything out by myself without any help. Anyone can do it but you need the right tools and motivation
What tune did you go with? Stage 1, even stage 2 will rarely ruin a stock clutch from my understanding. I know people on the mk6 platform with stage 1/2 cars and 100k mile stock clutches. Did you lug it at high speed, high gear?
Any special tools that you needed beside the clutch tool
I’d call the engine support bar “special” as I had never used one before. Otherwise, not really, I don’t think.
Hey guys! I know I'm way late to the party, but I have a few questions. This is the same as a clutch replacement for a Mk6 R right? I'm looking to replace mine myself. Also How long in total hours did this take you guys?
I can’t confidently say it’s the same as an R, given the differences in drivetrain. From my recollection, the clutches are interchangeable, so take that as you will.
This took Neil (a full time auto tech) about 45 minutes however I would dedicate 4-6 hours if you’re doing it for the first time. Most auto shops would quote 3-4+ hours for this job.
We spent about 1.5 hours on this as we put the clutch disc on backwards due to faulty labeling by South Bend, which was frustrating, but Neil is such a pro that it was hardly a hiccup.
@@GTIModBlog Ah yea. I’ll definitely do more research. In your opinion, is a clutch one of those things that are worth more to pay to get it installed? I love the feeling of being able to do my own shit but if the clutch is extremely hard to install I would be more willing to pay for an installation.
@@Ragged.09 it’s a very involved install and we paid Neil to do it (and we recorded it for this video), so yeah, in my opinion, I’m glad I paid him to do it. I didn’t have the tools or expertise to do it confidently in a small amount of time. I did virtually all other modifications myself, so there’s that. Dropping the transmission specifically was really daunting to me, and I can’t say I would ever want to do it all by myself.
Is this a manual or DSG, I have manual cupra 300 and I’m looking to do the clutch soon
Manual
Would the process be the same for the FSI engine?
If not, similar.
you went from dual maas to single mass flywheel? any clutch chatter>?
A little bit in first gear especially when engine braking and additional with the AC on. I had a loud exhaust that drowned out pretty much all other noise so I could only hear it with the windows down
What kind of engine support bar is that? and where can I get one?
Neil didn't say which brand, he just said you can find it on Amazon.
What does this clutch cost thinking about doing the same on my mk6 gli,
The clutch & SMFW unit itself should cost somewhere from $1,100 to $1,300, and install will be free if you follow this video!
But, a quality install from a professional is a bit more dependent on location and options available, could run you between $400 and $800+. Where are you located?
How much would this be at a dealer and would they install an after market clutch in it?
You’ll have to call your local dealer and ask for a quote but most will charge $2-3k for install. Some dealers accept customer supplied parts but definitely confirm this when you call.
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My personal recommendation for almost every GTI owner is Southbend Stage 3 Daily. The pedal becomes more firm and feels like a nicer performance car (think BMW).
- DB
I'm wondering how close this is to a mkvi GLI, looking to do my clutch and not sure if it's the same. Any idea anyone?
I don't know too much about the GLI especially if it's a gen 3... I imagine it's fairly similar
royalcookie2 I was thinking the same thing. My clutch wasn’t a fan of the ecu tune
What lift is that? And how high is your ceiling clearance at that height?
It’s a MaxJax. Not sure how high this ceiling is, but you can use a calculator on their site to see if one will work for you.
How long did it take him from start to finish? Looks like a ton of work.
We spent maaaybe four hours total. That included putting the clutch on backwards and then assembling the entire car only for it to stall. About 2.5 hours first time then to redo it only 1.5 hours because it was so recent. Also included bleeding the clutch twice (first and second time) and also removing the bleeder block restrictor.
By putting the clutch backwards you mean the torsion disc facing the pressure plate instead of facing the SMF?
I am in the process of installing Sachs SMF kit and for some reason they did not specify on the plate whic side should face the pressure plate. Can you please help me?
oh my god! backwards clutch disk!? after All of that!? UGHHH!!!!! tecnically that's like the the novice move of all things to overlook.
I've done that, almost actually with my friend when we did a mk2 clutch and some how it wasn't aligned and the clutch was seized. we couldn't start the car. had to redo the whole job. but we did it in like 1/3rd of the job.
But this design of car looks like ALOT more work than the old ones. Yeah, there's the turbo hoses and the extra brackets holding shit on, and the stuff with the drive shafts. I'm sure the harness removal, the clutch cylinder lines, shift linkage and cooling hoses and waht not, all tHAT BS is in the way. I just bought a 2009 passat 2.0t CC... the clutch is working but making a ringing/howling sound when it's half way engaged. it will be time for me to do exactly what you're doing here.
Not looking forward to this, but I will be brave after seeing you just did on this car.
Thanks for the video!!
Did you replace the rear main seal?
No
Is this the same process as a 2008 GTI with FSI motor?
Ivan Vega very similiar. I have an 08 fsi, did it in 4 hours no lift on jackstands. Best advice is too mark everything and take your time.
Did you have to drain the gear oil?
No
How many hours is the install? Just trying to see if i get someone to replace mine or do it myself, labor charges must be insane but also, it’s hard to do at home
It was very quick for Neil - I would say around 60-90 minutes all in (we made a mistake the first time and so this film is from the second go-around). I think shops will charge significantly more, for at least 3 hours of shop time. I was quoted I believe $700 or $800 to get it done at a local performance shop that I trusted.
BTW- those prices were for Bay Area labor. I wager it’s cheaper in most other parts of the country
GTI Mod Blog thanks for the information, I also don’t know if i should be upgrading or replacing my clutch with stock parts as my sons are learning to drive stick on the car and i believe the flywheel is starting to give out, the car is fully stock by the way
Sami Hamady I basically learned stick on the stock clutch of my GTI, it had ~35k on stock clutch and had been tuned the whole time so it gave out then. An upgraded clutch is harder to use as the pedal gets heavier and the clutch grabs harder, but it can take more of a beating. I would honestly say stick with OEM clutch if you’re not going to tune the car, but if you do plan to add power in the future, it’s worth upgrading to a stage 1-2 clutch
I recently had mine istalled. I was a little worried about the chatter but I guess its normal.
was your chatter in the low rpm's in 1st & 2nd?
Lol my chatter was loud as hell lol I got used to it, people would ask if my car was broken when I had the ac on
It didn’t look like you torqued the flywheel down in a star pattern
do i have to remove the axle flanges?
I was scrolling through comments too see if anyone asks this question. I really don't understand why they would need removed but i have seen it done in a couple videos
I know this is late, but I'm in the process of doing this job as well, removing the axle flanges isn't necessary but by God does it make it WAY easier to get the transmission out.
debating between an ACT, Clutchmaster or southbend for my boosted DSM. how you like the SB?
Not sure how DSM are different, but I love my SB. I've heard that it makes more noise than other clutches but I really enjoy it so far. I'm not read up on others but I can speak for my own, it's holding up super well after about 4,500 miles.
Where did you purchase that engine hoist
I'm not sure, sorry :/
Is this install largely the same for a 2.5 mk6 golf?
Honestly I’m not too sure
GTI Mod Blog No problem, Thanks for the quick and honest reply.
What size Allen do I need for the axle flange bolt?
Not sure
william freeman i think its 14
Pretty sure axle bolts are triple square
How's the clutch chatter for you?
Irfan Kos audible at idle + first gear, louder with AC on
how much does something like this cost for a vw golf r or gti?
Rome Edwards clutch kits range from like $900-1,500 and if you count labor it could be $400-1,000ish to be done professionally. Quite a range depending on how you do it. I’d get a quote from a professional if you aren’t sure.
wow what did I get myself into lol thank you so much
How come u didn't replace the pilot bearing?
Not entirely sure... did a new one come preinstalled in the new flywheel?
Either way, the car only had 27,000mi. Clutch job was necessary because of the tuning and drive style.
My clutch still on order hasn't shipped out yet.
Did you order from Bandit or ECS? When?
GTI Mod Blog ecs tuning
Is this the same for non mqb?
You’re watching a video of non-MQB!
"Unscrew all 1 million screws" lmaoo funny because it's true
:-)
What did you guys charge fir that?
$400 for labor but a shop will charge you double-triple that
How much do u charge for labor?
Brian Dahdouh Neil charged $300
Came to here to figure out of I can do this it at home or trade it in. Lol
You forgot to to mention reinstalling the dog bone.
Are those 12 point bolts?
For the southbend clutch?
Sorry man, I am not totally sure
use a star pattern
is this a single or dual?
It's a single mass flywheel.
GTI Mod Blog Dual mass to single mass? I’m doing the same on mine as we speak. Is it OK to put the single mass in even though my car had dual mass to begin with?
Yeah that's a no for me. Thnk you for this... Too much for one man job. How much should a shop charge
$500-1000 would be my assumption
@@GTIModBlog okay and I have a Malone stage 2 tune and I have a diesel. Not looking for performance but I do want something that is able to take a lot of beat. What clutch kit would you recommend
@@trentc6069 I’m not familiar with the tdi. This one was good so I’d recommend it (idk if they even make it for tdi, is it the same?) but can’t give you any suggestion based on my knowledge. Sorry
You'd think by now companies would figure out how to make a goddamned clutch that can last 150K miles. Absolutely mind boggling that someone hasn't come up with a reliable and easy to mass produce oil bathed multi-plate solution that still has driveability. That kind of setup would last as long as the engine if you took care of it.
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so long as it doesn’t kill driver involvement, let’s do it!
Lol 1 million screws, my car has the euro belly pan that has extra three screws in the back and I torque them every time to 6nm too.
Very anal and unnecessary but hey you do you
i think i would just pay someone to do this shit, fuck all that.
aside from the "music" - great job
Dennis thanks bro
South Bend...Good video! Music is distracting as fuck!!!
Thanks! Sorry about the music.
Curse these weak beings xD
What's the final track playing?
After looking around I can't find it, and I don't remember unfortunately. It is definitely Andrew Luce on Soundcloud, link in description. I thought it was Blanc (feat. Vincent) but it isn't. That's the closest I can get you, sorry.
@@GTIModBlog haha checked every song on there, guess he removed it?
Yeah, maybe... I poked around here on UA-cam and found I think it's Until Then. Here is a bass boosted one ua-cam.com/video/MYIDGCWflO4/v-deo.html and here is the normal song: ua-cam.com/video/ndnbDdC6_i0/v-deo.html
@@GTIModBlog Legend, sorry mate just seen this. Need to take off my transmission, see what it's making a fuss about xD
throw that old clutch down the high way!
What's the name of that drake song playing in the back??
Good Ones Go Interlude
Remix was performed by Andrew Luce