Star Wars Repro Toy Debate - A Saga Concluded!
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
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I'm finding toy collecting in general much more fun now I have left all Facebook groups dealing with Star Wars. Facebook is a breading ground for hate and anger unless the groups are moderated by nice people who treat everyone with respect and curtsey. Some of the larger groups have lost their way in this area and allow vile and awful things to be said about other people and their views. I'd rather not be a part of that. Toys should be and are for everyone to enjoy. And I won't tolerate any hatred or anger towards anyone over pieces of plastic.
Here, Here! Toy Polloi rules!
Agreed!👍😁
Spot on Dave. Well said.
Unfortunately, I had the same experience with a FB-group.😳
I left all social media platforms(except youtube) 2 years ago. Its been one of the best things I’ve ever done.
This was like watching some great court room drama when a lawyer gives a devastating closing argument. The star stands point was the coup de grâce. I think 6 of those were also included with the Palitoy Death Star. Excellent video Tony!
Michael Shaffer there was 5 included in the action force version
@@georgeaitken2719 Thanks George👍
It needs one of the anti-repros freaking out about strawberries at the end. :)
Excuse me, Tony, but I think you dropped the mic.
Two points....I've been collecting toys since the 70s and it's ALWAYS been for fun. Collecting toys for their monetary value is fool's gold, in my opinion.
My other point is about "future generations of collectors". They're a myth. Those of us in our 30s to 50s have a deep connection to certain franchises that younger generations do not. When we're gone, I doubt they'll be large numbers of younger people clamoring for this stuff.
Gojitron that was a great donation of masters of universe looking forward to the next motu video
Hey George, Gojitron sent me the ESB Retro Collection set. Jon Baldry sent me the MOTU stuff.
Sorry tony my bad lost connection on the last livestream looking forward to that video as well
All good George!
Indeed. Look at model railroading as an example of where “vintage” collecting is headed.
"Say, Brian, why aren't you more active in Star Wars collecting groups?" *Sends link to this video.*
Heck ,you get enough grief from the Mego collectors.
Pick a hobby! Yep, it's a shit-show!
I love wat u said about its your collection collect it how u like... 100% agree
NAILED IT
Thank you for this. I was recently kicked out of a Star Wars toys Facebook group for defending another person who was being criticized for not knowing the difference between an original, and a repro lightsaber. These people brag about how much money they spend, and are complete snobs. When I called them out I was kicked out of the group and blocked. Cowards. So seeing your video made me very happy.
Being kicked out of some of these groups is a badge of honor
Echo Base apparently even bullies Toy Polloi for even daring to FIX vintage figures, vehicles, and playsets!
That is unfortunately true. Toy Polloi is a great friend of this channel and the way he is treated by these assholes is abhorrent.
I surprised toy polloi shows how to fix toys what are they worried about every fixed toy decreases the value of their collection
Are people supposed to throw them away?
I appreciate knowing that, so I can unfollow them.
I wouldn't say bully. But they are less than pleasant in their comments. I have spent my life devaluing toys according to their rules. And I've enjoyed every minute of every restoration. As many others do.
Absolutely spot on Tony. I collect both vintage AND repro..... Anything that makes my collection look cool and that is fun to collect. I have watched your other videos on this topic several times and I think you speak for every level headed Star Wars toy collector around the world. Fantastic work in this video. Unfortunately now brace yourself for all the hate....
Fuck the haters
Collect have fun be merry either vintage, repurposed and new collect all. Just enjoy your hobby at the end of the day it's a bunch of painted plastic and rubber that takes up space in your home that's for your enjoyment and pleasure. Star Wars is a billion dollar brand and one of the most worldwide popular franchises, like I said before collect all have fun be merry there's bigger issues to worry about.
Much like my friend at Zarnista Studios I came back to collecting vintage Starwars figures a couple of years ago, I restore using toy polloi’s excellent tips and am now also hooked on the likes of stansolo who do great work. The breakdown of the different groups positions in this video is the best and frankly the most easy to understand I’ve seen so far. I joined some of the more anti repro groups when I first took up the hobby thinking they’d be a good resource , and then left quite quickly after being mocked just for asking certain questions
I realized they were nuts when they did Salem Witch trial tests on nearly identical pieces of plastic to determine what's authentic and what's heretical repro.
I did the same, but instead of leaving the groups, I trolled them incessantly with different accounts until it stopped being funny.
haha nice one mate
i recently had an accident and became disabled and had to pretty much stop collecting because money problems but now i finally was able to get a blue snag for about 70 bucks from SLC i was stoked.
what im saying is now on my vastly reduced income i can still grab the odd figure i need for a fair price.
i love repro and i can still participate and enjoy the feeling of collection which brings me great happiness
love the channel btw
cheers
@@tesbtimeline4121 Well that's where you DONT understand the word fake/counterfeit you dickhead,..... Fake/counterfeit are to deceive and to con people.... , like a FAKE painting, A FAKE bank note, like a FAKE Rolex without any differences.
These are Marked, all my figures are marked on the legs, all my carbacks are marked on the back.... That is reproductions, maybe look into the meaning before you bitch on.
Do I have to mark them,??? No....so simple people like yourself think can bitch on, and just think I can make things fake and counterfeit and ruin the whole fucking hobby
@@tesbtimeline4121 One day the penny might drop, and you'll think WHAT THE FUCK WAS I PLAYING AT.
I was paying £400 for a bits of plastic that were made in factories for pennies where the people couldn't give a fuck.
And also if I can get a fake Rolex and it tells the time the same as a real one, I would lol..... Because Id rather spend big money on my family and holidays thanks . 😊😊😊
Excellent video Tony! :)
Stan Solo goodies are truly some of the best shit out there. People should support the fan made efforts if it strikes their fancy. If it doesn't then they shouldn't buy it. Live and let live.
Agreed! Just git his repro Amanaman, and it's fantastic.
You saved the best for last.
Rarely is the 3rd part of a trilogy my favorite. Well done sir!
Wow, thanks!
lol, that'll be the day someone tells me I'm not a real collector or fan of something because I'd rather complete my Mauler with a few repro parts that only cost me a few dollars, over a vintage part that costs me more that the toy itself. These groups can go govern them selves, I don't need their hypocritical opinions on my collection or how I collect. You see this in just about everything now, the hobby starts with everyone friends, enjoying the passion. Then someone suddenly thinks they have authority over everyone, and starts shouting out the does and don'ts. Tony I whole heartily agree with you, it's your collection, you do what suits you. Besides, these Repos are some of the best work out there, and their just fans like us, and likes us, they want the coolest looking stuff possible. Example, that Buck Rogers Thunder fighter Starfighter that Retroblasting reviewed. Thanks for the video Tony!!
Great video. Nicely summed up and explained. You make so much sense on this matter.
As someone involved with no collector groups who enjoys vintage and many modern toys you helped me understand what's going on a lot better.
Great Job, Tony!!! I love repos! Smith Lord Creations and Stan Solo are two of the best. I hope they continue to make more repos of the original Kenner line, especially the hard to find POTF figures (If any of them are reading this, I’m really hoping they or another repo maker does a 1985 POTF EV9D9. That guy is impossible to find loose and not broken for less than $500. But, that is my point. I’m just a 43 year guy who wants to own a piece of my childhood and not break my bank. I also want to share the joy I have with my sons. Thanks again Tony! I really enjoy your videos. 👍🏻
Thank You For your service to your country Sir!
As a son of a navy veteran and having family family in the middle east Thank You
BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE
This was an excellent video. Thank you Tony.
It amazes me how the anti-repro group can get so hung up on this issue. Classic car owners have been using reproduction parts for years and you don't see this divisive behavior. Even the great art works of the world have been touched up and repaired by other artists. Mozart's Requiem was completed by another composer after he died. Does it makes these things less beautiful or desirable? And we are fighting over toys! Let's put this in perspective people. It's your collection, do it in a way that makes you happy.
I'm so glad I found this channel. You speak right to my soul. :)
Right on brother! You've hit the nail on the head once again. As for the future collectors, if they have a mind to, I am certain they will have the intelligence to figure out the origins of the toys they wish to collect. Repros are nothing new; they've been a part of the game since the very beginning. The Anti-repro debate is weak on all fronts. Collect what you like, but you don't have to like what others collect!
Keep fighting the good fight Tony. Love your takes on these subjects and your content all together. Keep it up!
Awesome video, you hit the nail on the head completely!
Clear, concise and wonderfully put...now I know why Analog Toys is my go-to toy channel
Spot on, collecting is a personal thing, it's a hobby to bring some happiness not a cult!
Amazing video ! About time ! Awesome job can’t aplaude you enough thank you !
Refreshing to hear someone who has spent years serving in the military and dealing with actual conflict talk about such a "heated" topic. You are able to approach it in such a calm and non confrontational manner. Reminds me of a martial artist discussing a fight, as opposed to some guy down the pub. The antithesis of a keyboard warrior 👍
Well said Tony. I couldn't agree more. I collect what I want and how I want.
Another great vid on this subject Tony!!!
Wow, awesome job. Well said, well done. Btwn this and the GI Joe retro video, the last 24 hrs you are on fire, sir! 👍
Amazing video, thank you. You have a new follower Sir.
Well done Tony! As someone who lost all of his vintage Star Wars toys in a hurricane, if I wanted to collect a few figures for old times’ sake, I can do that now. I will never get back the toys of my childhood, so this is the next best thing without spending lots of money. When I bought them as a kid, they only cost 0.97 U.S. in 1977!
As a completists, I've heavily relied on repros to complete items, a lot of repro items were replaced by originals eventually - some not as the repros were much better quality than the originals. I've got absolutely no issues with reproduction stuff as long as they are sold as that. Dealers are greedy and demand way too much for original items, this is what has created the repro boom in the first place. I say fair play to those guys putting the effort into making this stuff, most of it is fantastic. All my Corgi stuff looks great with new stickers and little red missiles, my Six Million Dollar Men and Maskatron have better socks than the originals. I bet most of the people complaining are dealers anyway £££$$$€€€
Well spoken Tony!! I agree 100%.🤘🏻😎 Back when I had Facebook I joined a FB-group for GI Joe ARAH collectors since GI Joe has been my lifelong favorite toyline (Vintage Kenner Star Wars at #2). Most people in the group were friendly but as soon as I asked if anyone could give me advice on where to find repro-parts like small microphones and headsets for figures I have but can’t afford to spend 200$ on a tiny piece of plastic things went downhill. Someone wrote a comment like ”here we go again” and shortly after the bashing began. I left the group there and then.
My view on the topic is that it’s totally fine with repro parts and custom designs of figures we never got. When you collect vintage toys as a hobby you develop skills based on your knowledge of the toys to know reproductions from originals. In my huge GI Joe collection of several hundred figures and vehicles I don’t have any reproductions apart from some Black Major customs and that’s only because I’m having a hard time finding them, probably because of the Anti-Repro-Bullies. The next step for me, I guess, would be saving up for 3D-printer and make my own replacement parts. I fully support creators of replacements & customs. Your collection - Your Rules!🖤
It's funny, when you said that many in the SW fandom say that if you can't afford to collect vintage, you shouldn't be collecting. I've run into this sentiment in the Transformers fandom, but the irony is that it mostly comes from those who collect, almost exclusively, the mostly very expensive third party figures NOT produced by Hasbro!
They are only toys!
I treasure my vintage collection because they come from my childhood, but I have zero problem buying retro figures and repos and new characters from people like Stan Solo. My collection is opened and well played with and posed and photographed. Thank you for making this third video and being a voice of reason.
DUDE TONY YOU ARE FREAKING AWESOME! LOVE LOVE LOVE YOUR CHANNEL!
I made the mistake of dismissing these " anti-repro " fanatics as just a small group of wankers, who should be ridiculed for their beliefs and actions!
But thanks to Tony and Michael, I know realise how deeply troubling and disturbing, their behaviour has become!
NO ONE has the right to tell you what you can and cannot do with your life and to try and bully people into what toys you can collect, is not only absurd, but also reprehensible!
After all, we are just talking about small bits of plastic, aren't we!
You hit the nail on the head!! Given the world we live in and the constant daily issues we all face, is it worth getting so angry about "little bits of plastic".
kieron Ball agreed 100% , I’ve always thought it’s just to justify selling pieces at inflated prices along with pushing business to those ridiculous grading companies
Thus turds are a bunch of +40 years old losers if you ask me.!
Brilliant video, Tony 👍
Dude!!! I loved this video. You're awesome Tony. Love your channel.
Excellent video, points well made!
Disney should take the licence off Hasbro and give it to Stan Solo 👍😃
This third part to your trilogy is awesome, Tony - You might wanna have a word Abrams about his effort... Be safe, Dude. :)
I really enjoyed this - only just came across you this evening and I have to say, you made some very common sense and logical type points. You’ve got yourself a new subscriber here... (Simon from LS).
Made my weekend! Thanks Tony!
My pleasure!!
I've been fortunate enough to find actual vintage weapons from stores I trust. Just today I bought a Combat Poncho Leia with missing only the hat for $35. Yes! Including a real vintage tiny gun. Couldn't pass that up.
I love these videos, so entertaining.
I am for the repo market. What makes these things so collectable is the nostalgia of owning them as kids. If I have an original Mattel Skeletor, but I am missing his havoc staff I have no issue in getting a repo to complete it. It is the resellers that are ruining it for the true collectors and the reason behind our drive to do so. Hey if you want all original parts that is fine too.
I agree tony I have bought repo parts to complete various action force toys and that market is growing and I’m glad because prices for accessories is getting ridiculous I’m don’t want in 5 years looking on eBay for original accessories for a sealion or space engineer that someone would charge 20 or more and get it
I think that Retro Collection Hoth Han,Hasbro made the face too pinkish,but glad it didn't get painted some weird magenta color like a used vintage Kenner one I own. :)
Great post Tony, totally agree with you! 👍
Great video Tony, I couldn’t agree more!
Great job on the video 👍 love your action force videos too.
Brilliant video, you’ve definitely done your homework.
Excellent video, well said 🤓👍
Great Video sir
Well said!
And might I add, that dog should have his own UA-cam channel!
Hahahaha
Great way of thinking Tony. I just cannot believe old guys like these collectors are wasting their time trying to force other people to do what they do. I think they must have had really good lives to be making fuzz about collecting toys. They need a dose of real problems. I also believe what Gojitron said, future generations would never understand how it was to be alive in the 70s and 80s, the world was different back then, so the emotional attachment we have to the toys we loved as kids is a very generational thing, so I believe there are not going to be too many collectors of this stuff after our generation has left the planet. Greeting from Chile.
Great video, good points.
I see ya were with the Kurds! I was in Suly with CPA as medic to an ambassador , then in Al Amara in bed Yank CIV EOD team with PWRR for 8 months 2004!
Full respect bro, PWRR had a very tough tour in Al Amarah in 2004. Have you read the book "Dusty Warriors"?
Analog Toys No I haven’t! Yeah we got hammered hard there daily and nightly! Madi Army.. I will have to read it for sure! Come over to Norwich twice a year Metal detecting , and catch up with some of the guys I lived and fought with! My British / Jock Brothers still today!
Analog Toys yeah just spoke to my good buddy Sgt Major, he said he was in the book lol it’s ordered! Great videos ,, I’ve gone on a Star Wars buying spree again to complete my figures!! Learned a lot from ya
Well said mate!
A really good video.
Great video, found you by accident but the points you make are totally valid, my collecting is old RC cars but exactly the same battles rage ( although I suspect RC people are nicer re their differences). Keep up the good work.
I just collect what I like but to some that may be to simple! I am 44 and I collect vintage and Retro figures! I like them both and appreciate them both for what they are, FUN!!!😁😁😁
Dude, love the dog🤣 it’s your collection, collect what you like!!
Some valid points Tony, as always- a calm voice trying to remind folk that collecting should be FUN! I'm about to start collecting the first 12 Star Wars figures I had as a boy. I'm going to get them as beat up as they may be and spruce them up. Why not just get mint ones? A) because that will take all my savings and B) because I remember the state my originals were after the years of play and restoring them to their former glory seems a nice thing to do- (insert "the circle is complete" quotation here!).
Well done Tony. You were right I enjoyed the video! Bravo!
I love the repro stuff because it gives me the ability to have faithful reproductions of vintage figures I never had as a kid .
Holy crap. I never realized this was such an issue.
I've been collecting and customizing Star Wars and GIJoe figures since the 70's. I've got a sizable collection that I will never part with and my son isn't interested in it at all (nor are any of the kids he hangs around with) which kinda shows that this is a passion of our generation and not future ones. Honestly, they don't care.
I've never found an Imperial Dignitary figure or Blue Snaggletooth and if a repro figure group made one that didn't cost a hundred bucks I'd gladly buy it.
The point is, my collection is MY COLLECTION. It isn't dictated by some weird toy dictator purity group that we can only have original figures in our collections. That's friggin insane.
Toys are supposed to be fun. It's no wonder kids want no part of this hobby as these jerks drive away anyone who goes against their manic desires.
Exactly! Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure in 25 years our generation's action figure collections are going to be about as easy to unload as grandpa's stamps and grandma's china is today. Sure there will be some key items that will have enduring value, but your graded Nien Nunb variation collection isn't going to generate much interest.
@@driver8sk If you've seen used sports cards and NASCAR stuff for sale at flea markets and yard sales, a lot of it is as worthless as Beanie Babies and granny's ceramic frog collection.
Ive never thought of anti repro like that . Cool
Wow, thank you not only for the kool videos but for your military service. Good on you my friend 👍👍👍❤🤘🤘😸
Fantastic video Tony, what a brilliantly constructed and presented argument! If only everyone would simply understand, and when it comes to collecting, just live and let live, my collection consists of original vintage and repro star wars action figures and accessories, without repro stuff I wouldn't be able to afford blasters! Never mind certain action figures! Keep up the great work my friend, your stance on this subject is 100% on the money 👍
Good on ya Tony. From a Canadian fan.
Collect what ya love,forget what anyone else says!
Very compelling points indeed.
Nice video Tony. I try to only collect genuine vintage figures just because those are what I grew up. I think repro stuff is fine and some of the new custom figures are pretty awesome. I think I need to order that shiny C3PO. Keep up the good content.
fantastic *Mic Drop* Video... :)
Great video!!! I look at it like classic cars. If you want parts for a classic car there many resources that will provide you will great repo parts. If you want to spend the and find original parts and wish to pay for a vintage, say hood ornament which may be much more expensive so be it. But, Don't look down on those that wish to save money or on a budget to bring a vintage toy back to a new appearance with repo parts. The sad reality is everyone that is collecting all these toys in 40-50 as we all start kicking the bucket I highly doubt they will have the same value to the generations behind us. Enjoy your toys 100% real or repo and leave others to enjoy theirs.
Well said Tony, you nailed it👍
Bravo, sir! Bravo!
Good job tony!
Bravo!!!
Well Summarised... I’m an original collector however, totally agree that people should be given an option and collect/purchase whatever they like.
Well said Tony
Thank you for this trilogy, this has been bugging me for years. I have been a member on some of the vintage forums for over a decade and i've always felt like an outsider because of the day and night like difference between how some very vocal fanatics want me to collect and how i enjoy to collect my toys. If a community only judges you by the things you own it is not a community you should want to be a part of.
Love it Tony.
PS. Thank you for your service, Tony.
Very well said 👏 👍🏻
All of this back and forth in this collecting community really has soured collecting for me. What a drag.
A old model railway man once said exactly what I think on trains and toys, "It is my railway/toy, and I can jolly well do what I like with them!"
For every true blasters that burn up, a thousand are made. Utter bolloks, I will give you the shirt off my back but tell me my toy needs burning because you don't like off the cliff you go.
Repro is freaking fine tO me.
Well said, my man. Well said
Awesome job!! I only wish that the Repos that the people make weren't so expensive for now.
Well said, it is all about the fun of collecting
The only reason for opposition to repro toys is fear of driving down prices of items those people own. Like Tony said, only the rich can collect in their minds. It is selfish. The repros being made now are clearly marked, and most aren’t even really repros. Take out the investment aspect and I do not understand why anyone would care at all. Hasbro has been putting out crap and hard to find crap at that. If they wanted to, they could put some effort into their toys and regain the market share they had 10 to 20 years ago.
Like Tony said, it drives the prices UP, not down. They've used the repro market to their own advantage.
I love the fact that theres elitists putting a thumbs down to this video, but are too much of shit houses to make there point.
What these elitists need to do, is answer these questions and points that Tony makes, and I MEAN every one with a valid comeback, see what you can come up with, all I see is Tony pointing out facts, yet all I see is a comment saying I hate repro. 👏🏼👏🏼
All you elitists come and and make your points. Prove Tony wrong.
I’ve watched this video twice now in the last couple months and I couldn’t help myself but to go on Facebook and give them a piece of my mind. It reminds me of that anti droid bartender who says “we don’t serve their kind”.
As usual an interesting and informative video Tony. I wonder if part of the reason I can't find repro parts for MASK toys for example is because people are scared it'll go all Star Wars and eat it's own tail too... Anyway once again a great video sir. Top work!