@@H.K.5he has wise lines like,"We die alone but we live among men," and then asks a Christian girl if she wants to move a mountain, not understanding what she is saying.
@@TheNostalgiaFiend it doesn't alwayd have the same amount if it sometimes only has a few. i think it shows less if you have less ammo, and its filled if you have enough.
@@macafromthewired You could be right. I usually use the pistols, and always got ammo regularly. Chests, improved camp, and properties give you ammo. I guess it misses a few. because it's meant for those to be loaded in the rifle. I'm gonna get to zero bullets, and look LOL
@@MisterAlpha444i like pretending arthur gave john his jacket before he died and after john died jack found his jacket in johns closet and decided to wear it
I am terribly saddened that we never got more of Adult Jack. He's a fascinating Character, both as High Honor (clinging onto the virtues imparted to him by John & Abigail despite the trauma he's suffered) and as Low Honor (Giving into his bitterness and relinquishing himself to rage). I always enjoyed how you get to see how his rather unique upbringing effected him, depending on his Honor Related dialogue. In addition to this, the only canonical mission we got as him, proves that Jack possesses a greater degree of tact and finesse, than his father did, meanwhile having inherited the bloody talents of John. A penchant for violence, combined with a keen intelligence, is an extraordinarily dangerous combo. John lacked forethought in some places, and often fell slave to impulsivity, for example. Jack shows almost no sign of such during Remember My Family. In fact that entire search for Ross goes smooth as silk, Jack not once having allowed the mask to slip, until he has his target stuck between himself and a river. There is also something to appreciate about him, as he is the only Protagonist we've played, aside from John in American Venom, who deliberately "Looked Back", despite the many, many repeated warnings against such. Had he never looked back, we would not have any closure regarding the overall Story. Plus, the other reason why I want to see more of him, is because they did great with the casting. The VA for Adult Jack is fantastic.
@@mike_3613 Eh cars started to become the mainstream around 1910-30. Not to mention the US law enforcement was getting its shit together regarding gunslinging. So, yeah a Red Dead Redemption set after 1 would basically be a GTA lite.
The thing about this side mission is that it’s likely that the women lied and scammed the player since you can start it as John and continue it as jack
@@DepressedFishey123 yeah but like what could he do about it he was drunk in a small town where word gets around fast ofc he’s going to make a decision that could cost him his life but also we practically killed an innocent man for a woman who scammed us
thats a little plot hole in rdr2 imo, after we rob bank in valentine and get 20k (10k for the camp) thats 600k dollars today, how come they cant start somewhere new with 600k dollars and that was when the gang was at its peak
@@nikolagavrilovic6216because there was never going to be an end. Dutch didn’t know how to quit. Which is why Hosea was always frustrated and arguing with him.
OK, it’s been a while since I’ve played the first red dead redemption game, but I could’ve sworn when you are in a duel with people, you can simply shoot the gun out of their hand and let them run away and fear.
@@why-is-this-handle--a-thing shame would’ve been nice if he can just shoot the gun out of the guys hand and then lasso him tie him up. Bring him to the pregnant woman and make him give her money. Sounds like something you would do if you were still playing as John.
This game is very heavily scripted , basically any story/side story quest with duel will kill the target if you shoot anypart of there body .....except one...but you get killed if you don't do a killing blow
This side mission is one of those missions thats open to interpretation. Perhaps the young woman was lying or perhaps the widow was lying. It was stated that the widow knew about the pregnancy and kicked her out as soon as she started to show. Its very possible she seen the young woman at the funeral and she was crying and the widow decided to tell people she was laughing. If she showed up at the funeral and was infact crying, it would look bad. Either one of them could have been lying. Rockstar deliberately left it open to interpretation. They have done that a few times in recent Red Dead games.
@MisterAlpha444 I agree. I love those kinds of missions. They have been doing such a good job with the storyline and side missions too. Red Dead Redemption 2 has been out like what 6 years, and many people are still discovering things for the first time.
So I actually believe Clara is lying bc the widow believes he died gambling which implies he had a gambling problem not a drinking problem and the fact that the widow calls Clara a stranger means she wasn’t the nanny bc she would have known who she was and probably said something about her husband getting her pregnant and since she’s the one who kicked Clara out we know she found out about it meaning it’s unlikely that the husband was lying to her. I think Clara just made up some lies around the truth to get sympathy and so that in the players mind it was just enough to make us believe she could be telling the truth but ultimately she’s lying
If you murder in cold blood, and lose honor as Jack, he will proclaim "BLAME MY PARENTS!! ITS THEIR FAULT"...so no merit goes to this. Rockstar is basically saying that John and Abigail's efforts to raise Jack to be a better type of person than them....WAS A FAILURE. "He sure aint gonna grow up and be an outlaw..run with a gang....marry a working girl" etc..... they say before John is killed..after u have killed Dutch, and living as a rancher. This statement doesn't mean anything about Dutch being right LoL..its just a "cute" statement because of the ending of the story in game. Dutch was clearly wrong on most of the things he said and claimed. He was only right about their time having passed, that he cant fight his own nature and keep making excuses/justifying murder and robbery...and that the government will always find another monster...create crime...because they need it.
There's many more examples in dialogue in many situations, along with stranger missions....and he was only 16 when John and Uncle were killed. 19 when Abigail died, with nothing much to say. Also, the stranger missions are meant for John, but still available..other than strange man, to get 100% completion When he skins, "just like u taught me, pa"...duel - "eat your heart out, ricketts"...it's just fun Easter eggs and a little meaning. Nothing more. Nothing less
But thats just because youre playing with low honour - If you play with high honour then John and Abigail have at least raised a son with a good moral compass. It's like saying oh James from Fallout 3 is a terrible father because his child detonated a nuclear bomb in megaton when it's your decision as the player to do that.
@@ReplicantBattymanif you really think that's what 'High Honor' is about then you lack all sorts of independent critical/analytical thinking with an outlook onto different perspectives... plus there's no such thing as the concept of 'morality' - if you want to ask how that is then so be it.
To be fair. All the irish dude had to do was simply ask what Jack was talking about and see this lady to confront her. I mean, Jack could've done the same thing, but the Irish guy had a bad temper
I can help you solve this better .... game and plot armour As much as I Ike red dead this mission actually annoyed me because their is no choice its just "Ha you got fooled thinking your doing good"
@@levibull6063 I feel like that's how most of the fables of the wild west are built(haven't read many), it's about people doing wrong because they acted carelessy or lacking critical thinking, so I wouldn't put all this on Rockstart since this would be their source material to make their stories along with clint eastwood's movies
"The world is a sad and terrible place." Truer words never spoken. Even sadder still when people take advantage of kind-hearted people in such cruel ways in order to achieve their own ends. The world is cruel, that is true enough, but people can be even crueler still. May God bring his righteous judgment and wrath upon snakes like that.
As the kind hearted person that i am, this is true i don't like the new age of this world where certain people just use me for as a toy and later play it off.. i am pure as i can be but stubbornness comes in here and there but do not want to show my fate later down the road
I hope not because what time period would that be? You play as Jack in what, 1914 maybe? Maybe later? Red Dead set in a time for you to laugh at her funeral would be something like a Mafia setting I'd rather go for mid 19th century for a full on western game
"dutch was right" is a very bold and generic claim. He was wrong. And that ain't Dutch's words, he might've read it in some book, maybe even Evelyn Miller.
He may have been quoting anothers words but he musta believed in those words to use them in his last moments. At least to some degree. So by him quoting the saying it becomes his words by mouth. As obvious as that may be. Now it being right nor wrong who's to really say. It just rings true, it seems, in this regard. Technically Jack didn't have to go through with the Duel. He could have chose another outcome. Yet he chose to fight to the death just on word of another. So it kinda makes what Dutch said True. If this makes any sense.
gotta love how @luisdj86 argues against a subject matter that is 'b0lD aNd gEnEriC' while revelling in the same sentiment that the genius is arguing against without refuting how the motto regarding Dutch being right goes...
It doesn't matter what Dutch said, he was already crazy by RDR1. The entire game series is about marked men, bad men, trying to escape the clutches of the Strange Man, who bends their reality to points of certain doom. Not about philosophy, brotherhood or quotes. He drove Dutch insane, turned the group on Micah, set Arthur on a path to disease and got John and Uncle gunned down.
You know one thing I like about at least High Honor Arthur, John, and Jack, they seem to be respectful to both genders. With Dutch and Micah, they clearly wanted to use all women optional.
I fail to see how this specifically proves Dutch right at all since Jack was conned into doing what he did for the woman and not intentionally seeking to steal and get into a gunfight. That isn't displaying his "nature", Jack was simply a victim of circumstance.
@@MisterAlpha444 that is an entirely different scenario though. This specific side mission does nothing to prove that Dutch was right, so your assertion was false.
@@Dagger_323 i liked this comment because it showcases exactly whats wrong with youtubers telling people what to think these days(not that its THAT deep cuz its video game)
@@MisterAlpha444 Harold's stupid ass was the one who wanted to get himself killed over something stupid. It wasn't even remotely a life or death situation until that idiot made it one.
@@MisterAlpha444 he was challenged to a gun duel by Harold. In the Old West if tempers flared and someone challenged you to a duel you were not going to walk away from it without being labeled a coward or getting shot at. Jack asked the man to give him money for the woman, he did not threaten him. The man did threaten Jack when he could have merely refused him and walked away. Stop trying to pin this all on Jack to prove some deeper point that isn't even valid in the first place in this scenario.
@@Killer22246 Jack's only crime was accusing the man without proof. That's foolish but hardly "evil". It was Harold who demanded to duel Jack. Jack defended himself against a man who wanted to kill him over words. The evil is not on Jack. The evil is on the woman who conned Jack and the drunken man named Harold who couldn't keep his temper in check.
The way I like to play Red Dead, is by doing the side missions except for the last one as Arthur, then finish them off with John. And then leaving all side missions in RDR1 for Jack, since he didn't have as big of a role or post game as John did in RDr2.
The worst part is that you can't disarm him. I do think it's funny that they immediately had a funeral. Usually the family would've waited a few weeks. And nowadays, it's almost always a month at the least.
I think it’s funny that the adult version of Jack looks almost identical to Javier Escuella from the gang. 😂 bro went from pale to tan as can be and went and got a cut from Javier’s barber 😂
There is a glitch where the player can keep the $200 obtained from Harold and do it repeatedly. First after meeting him don't accept the duel challenge from Harold. Instead lasso him, hogtie him, then put him on a horse. Run outside of town and kill him. Killing him inside of town results in a message to loot his body and give the money to the girl, but outside it does not count towards the mission. After looting the $200 from him go back into town and he will respawn so that the mission can be repeated
And why is this the mission that shows you that Jack became what John Arthur and Abigail tried to avoid? You can do this mission as John if you do it before John dies. The mission that ACTUALLY shows you Jack became what John Arthur and Abigail tried to avoid is the very last mission where Jack tracks down and murders the federal agent Edgar Ross who betrayed his dad and killed John anyways after he did what the Bureau made him do.
Yes but it's not a surprise that he went after after Edgar Ross. I know the side mission is not canon for Jack but I still think doing this one with him is different than doing it with John. Jack has no experience yet and just decided to go after the murder of his father.
Im still mad to this day that R* didnt just make Arthurs hat the one John wears in RDR1 so in the end of RDR2 when Arthur puts his hat on john, it'd be a true homage to Arthur in the 1st game even though he wasn't even thought of in RDR1 the hat could have been a way to connect Arthur to the first game.
I thought the same exact thing when I played. I'm also mad that Arthur's final fight was not with Dutch the man he stood by for 20 years. Micha was for john... I felt seeing Dutchs change to sociopath would of been far better They could of even ended the fight by Arthur refusing to execute Dutch and says OUR TIME HAS PASSED DUTCH mirroring what Dutch says to John before his death in part 1
I remember I used to save as much side missions as possible so I could play them as Jack. As I really enjoyed playing as Jack. I always loved his outfit. So I was so stoked when I first saw the RDR 2 trailer and saw Arthur wearing the same coat. I’ve always liked Jack which is why I’ve always wanted a game with him. Like a spin off where it’s a mix between a western and early mobster style of a game. Like the movie Lawless
@@MisterAlpha444 yes! The whole outfit I like better than John’s Default. Dont get me wrong the Default outfit grew on me because when I got it in RDR 2 I was stoked lol but still when I play as John in RDR 2 I try to make John look exactly like Jack. From the facial hair, the haircut, down to every detail of the outfit. I swear once you do that, he looks exactly like Jack. There’s no doubt in my mind John is the biological dad of Jack. But just like in the first game, I try to save as much content that I can do as John instead of Arthur. I really really wished they remastered RDR 1 as a seamless dlc for RDR 2 like it was rumored. I hope they are just waiting for the third game and make them all seamlessly playable. I mean they don’t even have to add much of a new map. Maybe just go west to fictional California and Baja California. Then we would have this HUGE map. Would be awesome but I know it’s ambitious of a hope
I don't understand why everybody is so sure that Clara was lying. There is far more evidence that Harold and Elizabeth are lying. Starting with Elizabeth: -She calls Clara a "dock trollop," but also wounders why "a stranger," would be laughing at her husband's funeral. With no other information provided, this is already inconsistent. If Clara is indeed a stranger, how would Elizabeth know her to be a "dock trollop?" They know each other well enough for Elizabeth to impugn her character. -She also states that Clara was laughing at the funeral, but this contradicts what we see, and also doesn't make sense on its face. Once Clara is handed $200, which is enough money that she won't be missing a bill anytime soon, she has everything she needs to start raising her child, find a job, and probably find another man. At this point, she can just say "thank you," and hit the road. However, she still wants to know how Harold is, and is devastated to learn he is dead. She had no reason to lie to Jack; she could have said: "good riddance to the lying bastard," and left it at that. All of the information we have except Elizabeth's word suggests that Clara attended the funeral to weep, not to cry. Elizabeth most likely spread this lie since she felt disrespected by her husband's baby mama's attendance at his funeral. -Elizabeth makes no mention of Clara having worked for her family, but Clara's pregnancy and Harold's anger both suggest that she did work for them before they disacknowledged her Moving on to Harold: -Harold claims not to know Clara, but he escalates the situation when Jack mentions that he had an affair with a Clara who raised his children. If he were innocent, he could have doubled down on his story: "Friend, I don't know if you have the wrong guy are just need to lay off the sauce, but I have no idea what you are talking about. I hope the truth of whatever matter this is, but I do not know any Clara and I do not appreciate this kind of talk from a stranger." The most likely reason for Harold to resort to violence was because he wanted to silence Jack and cover his ass. Harold's behavior supports Clara's accounting of events, not Elizabeth's. -If Harold didn't get Clara pregnant, who did? If there is another baby daddy out there, why not send Jack after him? If Harold DID get Clara pregnant, but she was a prostitute and not his children's nanny, then Clara would not have lost her living situation, since she wouldn't have been living in Elizabeth's house when she started to show. Even if she was a prostitute who knew Harold as a customer, this doesn't explain Harold's denial, which matches Elizabeth's story. That Harold sticks to Elizabeth's story suggests they made a decision together to pretend they never knew Clara. -It's possible that Harold knew who Clara was, from their affair, but that Elizabeth did not know, which would track with her "bridge trollop," remark, as well as with Harold's willingness to use violence to silence Jack when confronted. However, if Elizabeth knew of Clara as a local prostitute, then she should have had a different reaction to seeing a visibly pregnant prostitute at her husband's funeral, laughing OR crying. Finally, Clara: -Clara gained nothing from attending Harold's funeral, any more so than from lying to Jack after Harold's death. She could have just said: "Aw man, I didn't mean for him to die, it sucks that my baby's father is dead. At least this $200 will ensure I can feed and shelter us both until I find another job, thank you so much for helping us stay off the street." -Clara's story is consistent all the way through. She was foolishly in love with an adulterous married man, and just wanted a few dollars to stay off the street, which would have been just a few percent of the $200 he died carrying. She was glad to get the money, but visibly bereft that Harold died in confrontation with Jack over it. Elizabeth and Harold made the decision to pretend they never knew her, and Elizabeth was enraged to see a pregnant Clara weeping at Harold's funeral. She told anybody who would listen that this "bridge trollop," was laughing disrespectfully at a "stranger's," funeral.
@@MisterAlpha444 also in the end Harold choose to duel to the death. What is jack supposed to do, just lay down and die like a good little boy? No he’s gonna defend himself and win. It was mutual agreed honorable duel. No murder, irl modern laws don’t apply to ancient duels.
Jack in this mission is just plain stupid. The way he "talked" to Herold justifies putting the blame for the duel on him. The way he did it: He basically tried to rob and blackmail a man. This is wrong whether Clara was lying or not
It just all makes sense how we don't see jack become the successful man that John and Abigail thought he would be, even himself said that he would want to travel and be a lawyer in rdr2. We see the environment he grew up in and we see the people he was around even if there was more people who took care of him (Dutch's gang). More people had looked out for Jack than Arthur and John did growing up as mentioned in rdr2 but that still didn't stop him from becoming the notorious outlaw that Arthur and John had been. As well as how everything turned out for his parents. Everyone he loved around him died, his parents, Uncle Arthur, Uncle Hosea. It's not surprising he doesn't feel anything when it comes to killing. all of it was influenced by Dutch in the end for Jack's tragic fate. It's a very sad story when looked at closely but Rockstar is just such a good company at making the storyline for games and it shows the terrible reality of the wild west in the 1900's.
They should definitely make a third Red Dead redemption game, playing as Jack, maybe he's the gone down the wrong path as an outlaw, only to join the law maybe changing it from within and the game becoming a police sim like these police mods.
I think part 3 will be a young Landon rickitts. The first main character we play that we know survives. THATS WHAT I WANT remember Rickitts saying he was the fastest of his time and was famous when marston was a boy... he also was the lone survivor of something
After John’s ending I felt that Dutch was right. I beat rdr1 this week for the first time, and it blew me away. Was an emotional wreck for half a day lol. But after I put the game down I started thinking about some of the things Dutch said before he died. And he was right. He was right about how the government was going to turn on John. He was right about a lot in the end, it was good foreshadowing. Now playing rdr2 for the first time and I’m so glad I stopped to play the first one. Everything hits so much harder that way.
Hopefully in if there is ever an RDR3 we'll see more of what Jack becomes. Also this takes place in 1914 so maybe he runs off to fight in the first world war and comes home even more mentally scard.
@@MisterAlpha444thats what I always do. I do the main story and some of the side activities as John and do the side quests as jack, except for the I know you quest.
The saddest part about this video… is how far the writing quality of Rockstar games has fallen. Hopefully GTA6 proves me wrong, but I doubt it it’ll prolly be shit. But my god was RDR1 so beautifully written every damn sentence. And you can view the brief which showcases all recent subtitles in the pause menu.
@@SpaceCowboy260 I personally don’t agree with that. Arthur, Hosea, Charles, Lenny, the girls (kinda) were a large improvement. Everything else though? Kinda mid in my opinion. Arthur is probably top ten my favorite game characters ever, but the way they Flanderized Dutch is unforgivable for my taste.
@@Killer22246 I agree modern day games dialog is awful. GOW Ragnarok got glazed to infinity and imo that story and dialogue is far worse than the older GOW titles. I just think I wouldn’t have been as upset at RDR2 if it hadn’t reconned so much of the story that was established with RDR1.
But being a gunslinger isn't Jack's nature, he turns out one because that's the theme of RDR1, where the world is cynical and always ends in tragedy, something RDR2 missed. Every mission, side or main ends badly in this game, and Jack, a person with potential to be somenone in life, whom John tried to give a better life to, ends up just like his father because of the circumstances.
It's very open to interpretation, anyone there could be lying, either way the correct answer it's not to envolve yourself in others problems, it was best to help the girl find a job or even do some gig to help her, like we as a player do a lot of money just by fucking around and finding out, so the correct answer is to help but not envolve yourself with others people's drama
I think High Honor Arthur proves Dutch ultimately wrong, you CAN change your nature. Thing is, it isn't easy. It takes effort to break old habits and build up new ones. Dutch didn't want to break his habits or put in the necessary effort.
Has no one tried shooting the pistol out of his hand? Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I played, if you were able to get a blip on their gun, it's an automatic win because your bar instantly fills up, plus it adds to your honor level. Let's see how that unfolds
So a man cheat on his wife, makes a new kid, gets caught & has to pay up or the woman he cheated with will starve.... ...you kill him, take his money & give it to the woman he cheated with, and then leave his original wife to share the same fate💀 Genius mission design, classic Rockstar W.
I never do this whole side story as john anymore I always leave the widow part for jack... Think of it as sins of the father being visited upon the son. Heck I do it with all of the stories just to see the reactions.
Jack deserved more screentime even with all the possible side missions. I think he should have had atleast like 5 main missions before going after Edgar Ross.
Man, ur a genius. That mission with Dutch which you referred is called "And the truth will set you free". Now look at the epitath of Harolds grave 4:31 Amazing detail, Rockstar
I've always liek to think that Jack in a combo of Arthur, John, and Dutch. Notice the bandana on his neck is similar to Dutch's, the tan jacket is similar to Arthur's, and of course John (his dad)'s hat.
What if Jack asked this lady to come live with him on his Ranch take care of her and the baby that will been a crazy end of the game does Jack settle down and became a father what if
I find this mission writing kinda weird. Jack believes Clara and never questions Harold or tries to have a discussion about if it was even true. Adultery is a huge accusation, so i can see Harold being really to fight after Jack pesters him more about the money. But then again, the writing can make sense as I'm sure there are people who believe 1 person's story off nothing.
@@gregai8456 duel was because guy was stupid enough to duel instead of talking out the situation. The girl's behavior was no reason in his death, just triggered his lethal stupidity.
@@gregai8456 I'm as cool, as possible. You and channel author interpret that scene from a very weird moral perspective, I have a different interpretation. It's called "discussion".
I feel like Jack having low honor is alot cooler cause in the end its like his parents desperately trying to teach him to be good but hes seen to much from the gang at that age and it would make sense that hed be kinda mean when they both pass away due to Ross
what is more funny to me is that everyone takes the widows claim that Clara was laughing at a funeral as true and that somehow means everything Jack was told by her was a lie... A lot of stuff is implied here and theres no definite answer on who lied, maybe the woman at the end lied.
Dutch's last's words before he died: "we can't fight our own nature" it started with Arthur telling John to leave his life for good but as soon as he heard Micah he went for revenge which basically started the whole RDR1 storyline No matter how hard John and Abigail tried... in the end Jack became exactly what they tried to avoid. He also went for revenge and ends up killing people randomly (even if this possibly isn't canon)
@@MisterAlpha444 But all side missions can be played with John or Jack, bar "I Know You" of course. Jack'd come off worse if he were to kill the old goat at Pleasance House, bring the wife back to the Armadillo saloon, etc
Now if only there were a game feature that allowed you to slow down time and draw your gun to paint "X's" on a characters body for missions like this. But I'm guessing R* made it so you can't harm her.
Dutch's last's words before he died: "we can't fight our own nature" it started with Arthur telling John to leave his life for good but as soon as he heard Micah he went for revenge which basically started the whole RDR1 storyline No matter how hard John and Abigail tried... in the end Jack became exactly what they tried to avoid. He also went for revenge and ends up killing people randomly (even if this possibly isn't canon)
@@MisterAlpha444 Capping Micah had zip to do with setting up RDR1's circumstances for the Marston family. Edgar Ross knew John had been member of the gang, found out where he was living with his family, and forced John to do his work for him. That circumstance would've occurred regardless of whether or not MIcah was dead.
@@CognizantCheddarbut the point was killing Micah left a trail that lead all the way back to John and his family. Had John not done it Ross might’ve had a tougher time trying to find and would’ve probably given up or at very least taken longer to find, and John would’ve had more time with his family and him and Abigail could’ve prevented Jack from becoming and outlaw but John went and killed Micah and that was key for Ross and Archer to find him sooner and begin the events in RDR1.
@@tuauafiafiahoching1753 There's no evidence killing Micah 'left a trail' -- it happened in the Amberino mountain wilderness. John built his ranch smack in the middle of West Elizabeth. Ross didn't have to look hard to find him.
@@CognizantCheddar dude did you even beat the game? Look at the end credits Ross and Archer found Micah’s body in the mountains and the black water money inside was gone. And who could’ve killed all these men and Micah and walked away with it. They believed it most certainly had to have been a member of the Van Der Linde gang and so they went and investigated the entire map of rdr2 to find him and did John could’ve had a longer happier life but snuffing out Micah cut his time short. This all indicated at the end of rdr2 all the evidence is there idiot.
This mission suits Jack more than John. It’s easy for a 19 year old boy to be scammed as opposed to someone John’s age.
Yes I agree but I have to say even tho I love John he is not the wisest person 😅❤️
@@MisterAlpha444 He seemed pretty wise in this game.
@@H.K.5 yes true but you still know what I mean 😅
@@H.K.5he has wise lines like,"We die alone but we live among men," and then asks a Christian girl if she wants to move a mountain, not understanding what she is saying.
Literally average red dead fan, zero media literacy. He wasn’t scammed you fkn bozo
If westerns have taught me one thing, it's that if you challenge a man wearing a bandolier, you're gonna die.
He's not carrying all those bullets for nothin!
It always bothered me that the bandolier always has the same amount of bullets in it, and is always missing a few here and there....in the same spots.
@@TheNostalgiaFiend it doesn't alwayd have the same amount if it sometimes only has a few. i think it shows less if you have less ammo, and its filled if you have enough.
@@macafromthewired You could be right. I usually use the pistols, and always got ammo regularly. Chests, improved camp, and properties give you ammo. I guess it misses a few. because it's meant for those to be loaded in the rifle. I'm gonna get to zero bullets, and look LOL
It didn't change
Obviously Arthur wasn't a thing in 1 but i like how Jack is wearing a bit of both of John and Arthur's clothing
Rockstar knew exactly what they were doing with Arthurs outfit 💪
And rocking Javier's mustache. He idolized his uncles, to an extent
@@M3TA763AR5071D the perfekt mix of everyone 💪
@@MisterAlpha444i like pretending arthur gave john his jacket before he died and after john died jack found his jacket in johns closet and decided to wear it
@@Mosiah415 I wish Arthur was a thing back then 🥲 would be so cool
So a home wrecker gets a boy to kill and rob a family man she set up for a steady income stream. What a mission rockstar.
😅❤️
RDR 1 missions sure did have a lot of endings that make you hate yourself
@@knightingale9833 yes 100%
Based lady. She's smart
@@jayhollows5729You don’t know what based means.
I am terribly saddened that we never got more of Adult Jack.
He's a fascinating Character, both as High Honor (clinging onto the virtues imparted to him by John & Abigail despite the trauma he's suffered) and as Low Honor (Giving into his bitterness and relinquishing himself to rage). I always enjoyed how you get to see how his rather unique upbringing effected him, depending on his Honor Related dialogue.
In addition to this, the only canonical mission we got as him, proves that Jack possesses a greater degree of tact and finesse, than his father did, meanwhile having inherited the bloody talents of John. A penchant for violence, combined with a keen intelligence, is an extraordinarily dangerous combo.
John lacked forethought in some places, and often fell slave to impulsivity, for example.
Jack shows almost no sign of such during Remember My Family. In fact that entire search for Ross goes smooth as silk, Jack not once having allowed the mask to slip, until he has his target stuck between himself and a river.
There is also something to appreciate about him, as he is the only Protagonist we've played, aside from John in American Venom, who deliberately "Looked Back", despite the many, many repeated warnings against such. Had he never looked back, we would not have any closure regarding the overall Story.
Plus, the other reason why I want to see more of him, is because they did great with the casting. The VA for Adult Jack is fantastic.
Couldn't have said it better 💪❤️
Maybe red dead 3 set in the 1920s and 30s? We can only hope. More than likely it’ll be another prequel
@@mike_3613 Eh cars started to become the mainstream around 1910-30. Not to mention the US law enforcement was getting its shit together regarding gunslinging. So, yeah a Red Dead Redemption set after 1 would basically be a GTA lite.
@@mike_3613 if RDR3 is really a thing then it will surely be before RDR2.
@@MisterAlpha444 yeah I know. Still tho I would love a RD set in 1920s and 1930s but also seeing Dutch and Arthur as young outlaws would be cool too
The thing about this side mission is that it’s likely that the women lied and scammed the player since you can start it as John and continue it as jack
Yes she surely lied so Jack basically killed an innocent person and even stole and gave her money.
@@MisterAlpha444 and after the poor man’s death the wife tells John/jack that this women was present at his funeral and was laughing at him
@@darktheshadowking5012 exactly!
@MisterAlpha444 tbf the guy challenged him
@@DepressedFishey123 yeah but like what could he do about it he was drunk in a small town where word gets around fast ofc he’s going to make a decision that could cost him his life but also we practically killed an innocent man for a woman who scammed us
The more I watch this, the more I become sure that Jack is John's son. My man is a fool.
Holy shit man 3K likes?
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He's a fool just like Arthur
John may not have been his father but he was his daddy
John also has these lines, I hope they re-master rdr1
@@shuckLedurkins he's his father too in 2 they made his younger model look more like adult Jack intentionally. Same fat face
$200 in 1914 is equivalent to around $6,000 today.
And you get like 20k at the end of the second game
Really? @@ChadOfAllChads
thats a little plot hole in rdr2 imo, after we rob bank in valentine and get 20k (10k for the camp) thats 600k dollars today, how come they cant start somewhere new with 600k dollars and that was when the gang was at its peak
@@nikolagavrilovic6216because there was never going to be an end. Dutch didn’t know how to quit. Which is why Hosea was always frustrated and arguing with him.
@@Czar_Loko exactly rockstar did alot of foreshadowing that u dont catch onto until ur second playthrough
OK, it’s been a while since I’ve played the first red dead redemption game, but I could’ve sworn when you are in a duel with people, you can simply shoot the gun out of their hand and let them run away and fear.
Your memory is good but in this side mission even if you shoot his hand he will instantly die from it.
that is true. but some duels are scripted. you have to kill certain people or else youll fail.
@@why-is-this-handle--a-thing shame would’ve been nice if he can just shoot the gun out of the guys hand and then lasso him tie him up. Bring him to the pregnant woman and make him give her money. Sounds like something you would do if you were still playing as John.
@@why-is-this-handle--a-thing exactly 👍
This game is very heavily scripted , basically any story/side story quest with duel will kill the target if you shoot anypart of there body .....except one...but you get killed if you don't do a killing blow
the cop just bowed his hat to jack and wished him a good day after he watched jack gunned down Harold
Hahaha I just noticed that too 🤣
Mutually avreed upon duels were legal back then
@@cloudmaster182 really ? Haha what a time 😅
@@MisterAlpha444smh you should know that
And then right after that the hooker tries to get Jack's attention 😂
This side mission is one of those missions thats open to interpretation. Perhaps the young woman was lying or perhaps the widow was lying. It was stated that the widow knew about the pregnancy and kicked her out as soon as she started to show. Its very possible she seen the young woman at the funeral and she was crying and the widow decided to tell people she was laughing. If she showed up at the funeral and was infact crying, it would look bad. Either one of them could have been lying. Rockstar deliberately left it open to interpretation. They have done that a few times in recent Red Dead games.
That's why I love the Red Dead series. Even such a simple side mission can open up theories and discussions.
@MisterAlpha444 I agree. I love those kinds of missions. They have been doing such a good job with the storyline and side missions too. Red Dead Redemption 2 has been out like what 6 years, and many people are still discovering things for the first time.
@@marktaylor171 yes exactly!
It’s very obvious that she was telling the truth. You literally don’t have to kill him you can disarm him. You guys are just fkn weirdo incels
So I actually believe Clara is lying bc the widow believes he died gambling which implies he had a gambling problem not a drinking problem and the fact that the widow calls Clara a stranger means she wasn’t the nanny bc she would have known who she was and probably said something about her husband getting her pregnant and since she’s the one who kicked Clara out we know she found out about it meaning it’s unlikely that the husband was lying to her. I think Clara just made up some lies around the truth to get sympathy and so that in the players mind it was just enough to make us believe she could be telling the truth but ultimately she’s lying
If you murder in cold blood, and lose honor as Jack, he will proclaim "BLAME MY PARENTS!! ITS THEIR FAULT"...so no merit goes to this. Rockstar is basically saying that John and Abigail's efforts to raise Jack to be a better type of person than them....WAS A FAILURE. "He sure aint gonna grow up and be an outlaw..run with a gang....marry a working girl" etc..... they say before John is killed..after u have killed Dutch, and living as a rancher. This statement doesn't mean anything about Dutch being right LoL..its just a "cute" statement because of the ending of the story in game.
Dutch was clearly wrong on most of the things he said and claimed. He was only right about their time having passed, that he cant fight his own nature and keep making excuses/justifying murder and robbery...and that the government will always find another monster...create crime...because they need it.
There's many more examples in dialogue in many situations, along with stranger missions....and he was only 16 when John and Uncle were killed. 19 when Abigail died, with nothing much to say. Also, the stranger missions are meant for John, but still available..other than strange man, to get 100% completion When he skins, "just like u taught me, pa"...duel - "eat your heart out, ricketts"...it's just fun Easter eggs and a little meaning. Nothing more. Nothing less
But thats just because youre playing with low honour - If you play with high honour then John and Abigail have at least raised a son with a good moral compass.
It's like saying oh James from Fallout 3 is a terrible father because his child detonated a nuclear bomb in megaton when it's your decision as the player to do that.
Well violent men not changing their ways was a large point in that speech, and Jack going down that road is the cycle of violence repeating itself.
im so confused as to how OP is pinpointing that Dutch was somehow mostly wrong with the things he says yet equate a quote that Dutch never said...
@@ReplicantBattymanif you really think that's what 'High Honor' is about then you lack all sorts of independent critical/analytical thinking with an outlook onto different perspectives...
plus there's no such thing as the concept of 'morality' - if you want to ask how that is then so be it.
To be fair. All the irish dude had to do was simply ask what Jack was talking about and see this lady to confront her. I mean, Jack could've done the same thing, but the Irish guy had a bad temper
Yes true
He was Scottish 🏴🏴
Same thing @@khalil_SX
I can help you solve this better
.... game and plot armour
As much as I Ike red dead this mission actually annoyed me because their is no choice its just
"Ha you got fooled thinking your doing good"
@@levibull6063 I feel like that's how most of the fables of the wild west are built(haven't read many), it's about people doing wrong because they acted carelessy or lacking critical thinking, so I wouldn't put all this on Rockstart since this would be their source material to make their stories along with clint eastwood's movies
"The world is a sad and terrible place." Truer words never spoken. Even sadder still when people take advantage of kind-hearted people in such cruel ways in order to achieve their own ends. The world is cruel, that is true enough, but people can be even crueler still. May God bring his righteous judgment and wrath upon snakes like that.
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As the kind hearted person that i am, this is true i don't like the new age of this world where certain people just use me for as a toy and later play it off.. i am pure as i can be but stubbornness comes in here and there but do not want to show my fate later down the road
@@Retro__Glitch2313 it's really like that sadly. The people with a pure heart are always used by others...
@@MisterAlpha444 ain't that the truth, by the end of the day we're human and keep going until right spot tells us to stop
@@Retro__Glitch2313 yes ❤️
Should another Red Dead game ever be made, let us find Clara and laugh at her funeral.
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I hope not because what time period would that be? You play as Jack in what, 1914 maybe? Maybe later? Red Dead set in a time for you to laugh at her funeral would be something like a Mafia setting
I'd rather go for mid 19th century for a full on western game
@@justjoe5373 it will probably end up in that time era anyway if we get a Red Dead 3 of course.
@@MisterAlpha444might as well play mafia at that point tho
I think Jack would mostly likely die in some crater in Château de Chantilly, France sadly.
I like how jacks sitting on a fortune but can’t give the girl a good 5 bills. 😂
Fun fact: Harold is voiced by crazy Hobo (who's teaching Jimmy how to fight after bringing transistors) from Bully.
@@xXSilentAgent47Xx did not know that 💪 looks like Rockstar uses sometimes the same VA for different games.
By the way cool name 👀❤️
"dutch was right" is a very bold and generic claim. He was wrong. And that ain't Dutch's words, he might've read it in some book, maybe even Evelyn Miller.
@TopBanana09speak like an adult, troll
He may have been quoting anothers words but he musta believed in those words to use them in his last moments. At least to some degree. So by him quoting the saying it becomes his words by mouth. As obvious as that may be. Now it being right nor wrong who's to really say. It just rings true, it seems, in this regard. Technically Jack didn't have to go through with the Duel. He could have chose another outcome. Yet he chose to fight to the death just on word of another. So it kinda makes what Dutch said True. If this makes any sense.
gotta love how @luisdj86 argues against a subject matter that is 'b0lD aNd gEnEriC' while revelling in the same sentiment that the genius is arguing against without refuting how the motto regarding Dutch being right goes...
Dutch was always right
It doesn't matter what Dutch said, he was already crazy by RDR1. The entire game series is about marked men, bad men, trying to escape the clutches of the Strange Man, who bends their reality to points of certain doom. Not about philosophy, brotherhood or quotes. He drove Dutch insane, turned the group on Micah, set Arthur on a path to disease and got John and Uncle gunned down.
You know one thing I like about at least High Honor Arthur, John, and Jack, they seem to be respectful to both genders. With Dutch and Micah, they clearly wanted to use all women optional.
Dutch always was with Anabelle.
After her death it turned him drastically.
Yes that's a true fact.
@@SeriousDragonify The fact that he'd used Molly, Susan, and wanted to use Mary-Beth, I can't be too certain.
@@RyanTheDark One big crack changes drastically into a soul.
@@RyanTheDark You need to really know much more about human mind.
You cant just judge from a videogame so simply because you know him from a surface.
4:37 " Hello, ma'am. My condolences" that's wild💀
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I fail to see how this specifically proves Dutch right at all since Jack was conned into doing what he did for the woman and not intentionally seeking to steal and get into a gunfight. That isn't displaying his "nature", Jack was simply a victim of circumstance.
The fact that Jack goes for Edgar Ross is enough to prove that Dutch was right.
@@MisterAlpha444 that still doesn't specifically explain how this specific mission proves it though
@@MisterAlpha444 that is an entirely different scenario though. This specific side mission does nothing to prove that Dutch was right, so your assertion was false.
@@Dagger_323 i liked this comment because it showcases exactly whats wrong with youtubers telling people what to think these days(not that its THAT deep cuz its video game)
@@iamusdamma2637 what's even worse is when they tell people what to think when they're misinterpreting something themselves. Lol.
My older brother told me as a little kid never to play this side mission with Jack and now I know why. Calling it sad is an understatement
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I don't think this proves Dutch right at all. Jack just got scammed. He thought he was helping somebody out.
He took someone's life based on a lie. He did not even believed Harold or he didn't took time to find out more about the situation.
Jack allowed himself to be tricked, he should have been more torough, part of this evil is on him
@@MisterAlpha444 Harold's stupid ass was the one who wanted to get himself killed over something stupid. It wasn't even remotely a life or death situation until that idiot made it one.
@@MisterAlpha444 he was challenged to a gun duel by Harold. In the Old West if tempers flared and someone challenged you to a duel you were not going to walk away from it without being labeled a coward or getting shot at. Jack asked the man to give him money for the woman, he did not threaten him. The man did threaten Jack when he could have merely refused him and walked away. Stop trying to pin this all on Jack to prove some deeper point that isn't even valid in the first place in this scenario.
@@Killer22246 Jack's only crime was accusing the man without proof. That's foolish but hardly "evil". It was Harold who demanded to duel Jack. Jack defended himself against a man who wanted to kill him over words. The evil is not on Jack. The evil is on the woman who conned Jack and the drunken man named Harold who couldn't keep his temper in check.
3:21 You should’ve accepted her offer. Lmao.
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What did she say? I couldn’t hear it
@yumiko218 I CANT STAND TO SEE A MAN WALK AROUND WITH SUCH A DRY PECKER
@@yumiko218 "I can't stand to see a man walking around with such a dry pecker, maybe I could help?" -Prostitute
Jack just doesn't know when to say no, doesn't he?
Nope 😅
Lil bro was reading too many books and still is learning how reality looks like.
The way I like to play Red Dead, is by doing the side missions except for the last one as Arthur, then finish them off with John. And then leaving all side missions in RDR1 for Jack, since he didn't have as big of a role or post game as John did in RDr2.
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I knew she didn't care about him not that I do but I knew she was hiding something
Back then I did not understand it but after replaying it this time I knew something was wrong.
I just did this side mission and i never realized it was dutch was right
We can't fight our own nature...
I really don't see the connection.. all of the strangers missions were like this lmao
The music after a stranger mission is so nostalgic to me
@@therealnoxic I feel the same way ❤️
"Ricketts, eat your heart out" what a fantastic line
John Marston: That's my boy...
Arthur Morgan: That's mah boah...
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The worst part is that you can't disarm him. I do think it's funny that they immediately had a funeral. Usually the family would've waited a few weeks. And nowadays, it's almost always a month at the least.
Where I live you are burried in a few days - even one day is possible...
where I live burial is usually in the first few days, as a matter of fact my own father was buried 12 hours after his death
@@ahmeryaa865 wow 12 hours is really really fast.
Keep in mind there were no "corpse refrigerators" (as I like to call them) to keep bodies preserved back in the day
Whaat ? It usually few days.
In fact if you are further family you have very short time to arrive at funeral.
I think it’s funny that the adult version of Jack looks almost identical to Javier Escuella from the gang. 😂 bro went from pale to tan as can be and went and got a cut from Javier’s barber 😂
Young Jack looks really like he could have all the women haha but I can't see John in him somehow.
@@MisterAlpha444 He has John's hair and overall physic
I get why some see a Javier resemblance, but it's still clearly John's son
devs did it on purpose lol
I mean he looks like a mix of John, Dutch, Javier and even bill.
his nose is just like johns, take away the scars and i see it
jack with that zesty as walk
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U love watching it huh
@@Cactusfruitsquisher what?
Damn! Even if it's been 14 years I still play RDR 1!
Timeless game. Still my favorite game ever after all these years.
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Uncle Scrooge?!
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So the Blackwater PD were just okay with you gunning this guy down? Sweet!
Maybe killing someone in a duel was a legal thing back then 🤣
@@MisterAlpha444yea it was
There is a glitch where the player can keep the $200 obtained from Harold and do it repeatedly. First after meeting him don't accept the duel challenge from Harold. Instead lasso him, hogtie him, then put him on a horse. Run outside of town and kill him. Killing him inside of town results in a message to loot his body and give the money to the girl, but outside it does not count towards the mission. After looting the $200 from him go back into town and he will respawn so that the mission can be repeated
@@TheShedHuntingDogs that's what I love about RDR1 - you can learn new things about the gane even today.
And why is this the mission that shows you that Jack became what John Arthur and Abigail tried to avoid? You can do this mission as John if you do it before John dies. The mission that ACTUALLY shows you Jack became what John Arthur and Abigail tried to avoid is the very last mission where Jack tracks down and murders the federal agent Edgar Ross who betrayed his dad and killed John anyways after he did what the Bureau made him do.
Yes but it's not a surprise that he went after after Edgar Ross. I know the side mission is not canon for Jack but I still think doing this one with him is different than doing it with John. Jack has no experience yet and just decided to go after the murder of his father.
anyone else find it kind of interesting how the lighting changes from oil/gas to electrcitiy from RD2/RD1 and the ending part of RD1
in all fairness. harold was very quick to challenge jack to a duel. didn't even try explaining himself
@@kinghashbrown7998 he was drunk that's why
@@MisterAlpha444 good point actually I didn't realise that. safe to say jack isn't on the moral high ground here
@@kinghashbrown7998 yes and he atleast could have spared him instead of killing him
Im still mad to this day that R* didnt just make Arthurs hat the one John wears in RDR1 so in the end of RDR2 when Arthur puts his hat on john, it'd be a true homage to Arthur in the 1st game even though he wasn't even thought of in RDR1 the hat could have been a way to connect Arthur to the first game.
I thought the same exact thing when I played. I'm also mad that Arthur's final fight was not with Dutch the man he stood by for 20 years. Micha was for john... I felt seeing Dutchs change to sociopath would of been far better They could of even ended the fight by Arthur refusing to execute Dutch and says OUR TIME HAS PASSED DUTCH mirroring what Dutch says to John before his death in part 1
Bro I didn’t even know you can play side missions as jack , replay eminent!
You are welcome 💪❤️
By the way keep an eye on my channel today... 👀
Makin me re think my whole gameplay form 10 years ago rn 😂
I remember I used to save as much side missions as possible so I could play them as Jack. As I really enjoyed playing as Jack. I always loved his outfit. So I was so stoked when I first saw the RDR 2 trailer and saw Arthur wearing the same coat. I’ve always liked Jack which is why I’ve always wanted a game with him. Like a spin off where it’s a mix between a western and early mobster style of a game. Like the movie Lawless
@@DirtCobaine yes me too and I even think the bandana looked really good on him too!
@@MisterAlpha444 yes! The whole outfit I like better than John’s Default. Dont get me wrong the Default outfit grew on me because when I got it in RDR 2 I was stoked lol but still when I play as John in RDR 2 I try to make John look exactly like Jack. From the facial hair, the haircut, down to every detail of the outfit. I swear once you do that, he looks exactly like Jack. There’s no doubt in my mind John is the biological dad of Jack. But just like in the first game, I try to save as much content that I can do as John instead of Arthur. I really really wished they remastered RDR 1 as a seamless dlc for RDR 2 like it was rumored. I hope they are just waiting for the third game and make them all seamlessly playable. I mean they don’t even have to add much of a new map. Maybe just go west to fictional California and Baja California. Then we would have this HUGE map. Would be awesome but I know it’s ambitious of a hope
@@DirtCobaine facts 🔥
I don't understand why everybody is so sure that Clara was lying. There is far more evidence that Harold and Elizabeth are lying.
Starting with Elizabeth:
-She calls Clara a "dock trollop," but also wounders why "a stranger," would be laughing at her husband's funeral. With no other information provided, this is already inconsistent. If Clara is indeed a stranger, how would Elizabeth know her to be a "dock trollop?" They know each other well enough for Elizabeth to impugn her character.
-She also states that Clara was laughing at the funeral, but this contradicts what we see, and also doesn't make sense on its face. Once Clara is handed $200, which is enough money that she won't be missing a bill anytime soon, she has everything she needs to start raising her child, find a job, and probably find another man. At this point, she can just say "thank you," and hit the road. However, she still wants to know how Harold is, and is devastated to learn he is dead. She had no reason to lie to Jack; she could have said: "good riddance to the lying bastard," and left it at that. All of the information we have except Elizabeth's word suggests that Clara attended the funeral to weep, not to cry. Elizabeth most likely spread this lie since she felt disrespected by her husband's baby mama's attendance at his funeral.
-Elizabeth makes no mention of Clara having worked for her family, but Clara's pregnancy and Harold's anger both suggest that she did work for them before they disacknowledged her
Moving on to Harold:
-Harold claims not to know Clara, but he escalates the situation when Jack mentions that he had an affair with a Clara who raised his children. If he were innocent, he could have doubled down on his story: "Friend, I don't know if you have the wrong guy are just need to lay off the sauce, but I have no idea what you are talking about. I hope the truth of whatever matter this is, but I do not know any Clara and I do not appreciate this kind of talk from a stranger." The most likely reason for Harold to resort to violence was because he wanted to silence Jack and cover his ass. Harold's behavior supports Clara's accounting of events, not Elizabeth's.
-If Harold didn't get Clara pregnant, who did? If there is another baby daddy out there, why not send Jack after him? If Harold DID get Clara pregnant, but she was a prostitute and not his children's nanny, then Clara would not have lost her living situation, since she wouldn't have been living in Elizabeth's house when she started to show. Even if she was a prostitute who knew Harold as a customer, this doesn't explain Harold's denial, which matches Elizabeth's story. That Harold sticks to Elizabeth's story suggests they made a decision together to pretend they never knew Clara.
-It's possible that Harold knew who Clara was, from their affair, but that Elizabeth did not know, which would track with her "bridge trollop," remark, as well as with Harold's willingness to use violence to silence Jack when confronted. However, if Elizabeth knew of Clara as a local prostitute, then she should have had a different reaction to seeing a visibly pregnant prostitute at her husband's funeral, laughing OR crying.
Finally, Clara:
-Clara gained nothing from attending Harold's funeral, any more so than from lying to Jack after Harold's death. She could have just said: "Aw man, I didn't mean for him to die, it sucks that my baby's father is dead. At least this $200 will ensure I can feed and shelter us both until I find another job, thank you so much for helping us stay off the street."
-Clara's story is consistent all the way through. She was foolishly in love with an adulterous married man, and just wanted a few dollars to stay off the street, which would have been just a few percent of the $200 he died carrying. She was glad to get the money, but visibly bereft that Harold died in confrontation with Jack over it. Elizabeth and Harold made the decision to pretend they never knew her, and Elizabeth was enraged to see a pregnant Clara weeping at Harold's funeral. She told anybody who would listen that this "bridge trollop," was laughing disrespectfully at a "stranger's," funeral.
In the end of the day if clara was telling the truth or not, Jack killed an innocent guy and wasn't even trying to calm the situation down.
@@MisterAlpha444Tbf Jack is a 19 year old with trauma. It makes sense he wouldn't know how to properly handle such situations.
@@Sniper_RX fair enough
@@MisterAlpha444 also in the end Harold choose to duel to the death. What is jack supposed to do, just lay down and die like a good little boy? No he’s gonna defend himself and win. It was mutual agreed honorable duel. No murder, irl modern laws don’t apply to ancient duels.
@@wesleyc8101 I ask myself why there wasn't an option to spare Harold.
This could be me but i feel like jack got Javier looks and charisma, and John skills and intelligence
Jack in this mission is just plain stupid.
The way he "talked" to Herold justifies putting the blame for the duel on him.
The way he did it: He basically tried to rob and blackmail a man. This is wrong whether Clara was lying or not
The Stranger Mision is called "The Wronged Woman"
"we can't fight change - we can't fight our own nature" - Dutch Van der Linde
I know it’s a video game, but the Lord would forgive her, she would be able start new.
Can't fight…………G R A V I T Y ! !
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@@keithtorgersen9664the lord forgives, this world don’t
It just all makes sense how we don't see jack become the successful man that John and Abigail thought he would be, even himself said that he would want to travel and be a lawyer in rdr2. We see the environment he grew up in and we see the people he was around even if there was more people who took care of him (Dutch's gang). More people had looked out for Jack than Arthur and John did growing up as mentioned in rdr2 but that still didn't stop him from becoming the notorious outlaw that Arthur and John had been. As well as how everything turned out for his parents. Everyone he loved around him died, his parents, Uncle Arthur, Uncle Hosea. It's not surprising he doesn't feel anything when it comes to killing. all of it was influenced by Dutch in the end for Jack's tragic fate. It's a very sad story when looked at closely but Rockstar is just such a good company at making the storyline for games and it shows the terrible reality of the wild west in the 1900's.
@@zoidlux2016 couldn't have said it better ❤️
They should definitely make a third Red Dead redemption game, playing as Jack, maybe he's the gone down the wrong path as an outlaw, only to join the law maybe changing it from within and the game becoming a police sim like these police mods.
@@BrutalCarnage I hope this will happen but I guess the next RDR will be before RDR2.
I think part 3 will be a young Landon rickitts. The first main character we play that we know survives. THATS WHAT I WANT remember Rickitts saying he was the fastest of his time and was famous when marston was a boy... he also was the lone survivor of something
@@robogreek3157 this is what I want too!
After John’s ending I felt that Dutch was right. I beat rdr1 this week for the first time, and it blew me away. Was an emotional wreck for half a day lol. But after I put the game down I started thinking about some of the things Dutch said before he died. And he was right. He was right about how the government was going to turn on John. He was right about a lot in the end, it was good foreshadowing. Now playing rdr2 for the first time and I’m so glad I stopped to play the first one. Everything hits so much harder that way.
@@Trevor6714 yes you feel what I mean haha ❤️
i though it was all about duch said, after i gone, theres another monster to justify their wages
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The sound when u start the stranger and freaks is just f**king perfect
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The music and overall look of RDR1 was so good. I loved RDR2, but I am nostalgically biased toward RDR1.
Same here
Hopefully in if there is ever an RDR3 we'll see more of what Jack becomes. Also this takes place in 1914 so maybe he runs off to fight in the first world war and comes home even more mentally scard.
@@angryfoxzd5233 would be really interesting
well damn, here it is 2024 and I saw a new RR1 scene!
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"I could make it to his funneral"
"What lady I just won that duel thats still a lil bit away"
I don't understand what any of this has to do with Dutch
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It doesn't. OP just is trying to read too deep into it.
damn, RDR2 is missing these Side quest completion soundtracks like this 1:30, they are so cool
@@pedrofernandes8790 I love them ❤️
Im actually playing this game, but I’m still with John marston, so I don’t know if I will play that mission with jack.
Don't do it then you have more screentime with Jack 😉
@@MisterAlpha444thats what I always do. I do the main story and some of the side activities as John and do the side quests as jack, except for the I know you quest.
@@MrfrogAXN would be cool if there was another I know you but with different dialouges when it's Jack.
Sadly only John can have this side mission.
I'm waiting for a mod where Jack gets to wear his father's duster and Arthur's hat. It'd be a nice touch of symbolism.
@@phillipanthonyiidelossanto441 will 100% I am sure.
The saddest part about this video… is how far the writing quality of Rockstar games has fallen. Hopefully GTA6 proves me wrong, but I doubt it it’ll prolly be shit. But my god was RDR1 so beautifully written every damn sentence. And you can view the brief which showcases all recent subtitles in the pause menu.
RDR1 is timeless. It's a masterpiece from the beginning to the end.
Rd2 was literally better than 1 but okay lol
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I personally don’t agree with that. Arthur, Hosea, Charles, Lenny, the girls (kinda) were a large improvement. Everything else though? Kinda mid in my opinion. Arthur is probably top ten my favorite game characters ever, but the way they Flanderized Dutch is unforgivable for my taste.
i disagree 1000% the dialogue in RDR2 is easily better then most AAA story games we get nowadays, even if it's not "better" then RDR1
@@Killer22246
I agree modern day games dialog is awful. GOW Ragnarok got glazed to infinity and imo that story and dialogue is far worse than the older GOW titles. I just think I wouldn’t have been as upset at RDR2 if it hadn’t reconned so much of the story that was established with RDR1.
why do i feel like, lookin at jack, he is so obviously Dutch's son
@@bumblebeeman2103 we will never truly know haha
But being a gunslinger isn't Jack's nature, he turns out one because that's the theme of RDR1, where the world is cynical and always ends in tragedy, something RDR2 missed.
Every mission, side or main ends badly in this game, and Jack, a person with potential to be somenone in life, whom John tried to give a better life to, ends up just like his father because of the circumstances.
That's how it sadly is for Jack.
It's very open to interpretation, anyone there could be lying, either way the correct answer it's not to envolve yourself in others problems, it was best to help the girl find a job or even do some gig to help her, like we as a player do a lot of money just by fucking around and finding out, so the correct answer is to help but not envolve yourself with others people's drama
@@williamwolfstein6170 very well said ❤️
Wow, I never knew a 32 year old man can look like 50 😮
they grew up fast in the wild west
You can press square to stop shooting and avoid dumping all your ammo in duels. Just be sure to press it after you fired once.
I did not know that
Always save the side missions for jack just feels right to do it with him
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I think High Honor Arthur proves Dutch ultimately wrong, you CAN change your nature. Thing is, it isn't easy. It takes effort to break old habits and build up new ones. Dutch didn't want to break his habits or put in the necessary effort.
@@VGamingJunkieVT that is true 🙏❤️
Can't fight our own nature... dammit, Dutch...
Exactly this!
I would love to see RDR3 with Jack as main character honestly
@@nekipeh7373 me too but I also would love a game set before RDR2
I played this about a year after The seconds game came out and I realized that Jack is wearing Arthur’s jacket
The ultimate outfit
Has no one tried shooting the pistol out of his hand? Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I played, if you were able to get a blip on their gun, it's an automatic win because your bar instantly fills up, plus it adds to your honor level. Let's see how that unfolds
It's normally possible but in this mission he still dies when you shoot his hand
@@MisterAlpha444 dang. It was worth a shot
So a man cheat on his wife, makes a new kid, gets caught & has to pay up or the woman he cheated with will starve.... ...you kill him, take his money & give it to the woman he cheated with, and then leave his original wife to share the same fate💀
Genius mission design, classic Rockstar W.
(allegedly)
We don't know the truth...
I honestly didn’t even know yo could do quests as Jack. I always make sure I complete all side content before John completes his story
@@MarcAlcatraz I always did the same because I love John but yes you could basically do all side quests apart from "I know you" with Jack.
I never do this whole side story as john anymore I always leave the widow part for jack... Think of it as sins of the father being visited upon the son. Heck I do it with all of the stories just to see the reactions.
Jack deserved more screentime even with all the possible side missions.
I think he should have had atleast like 5 main missions before going after Edgar Ross.
Man, ur a genius. That mission with Dutch which you referred is called "And the truth will set you free". Now look at the epitath of Harolds grave 4:31
Amazing detail, Rockstar
@@ДокторМом-н3р thank you 💪❤️
Moral of the story, a wronged woman is a liar
Yep 💪
The real shocker is the fact that the man he gunned was **THIRTY TWO**
@@Elhombre95382 looked like he is 50 🤣
God I miss playing rdr1
I know that feeling haha.
I've always liek to think that Jack in a combo of Arthur, John, and Dutch. Notice the bandana on his neck is similar to Dutch's, the tan jacket is similar to Arthur's, and of course John (his dad)'s hat.
@@calebbryson-mc9ns I think like that too. 💪
Isnt he the same guy you fight in undead nightmare when he reanimated?
I am currently playing it so I will let you know 💪
What if Jack asked this lady to come live with him on his Ranch take care of her and the baby that will been a crazy end of the game does Jack settle down and became a father what if
There is another side mission (if you haven't done it with John) where a woman flirts with Jack - she would actually really fit to Jack.
@@MisterAlpha444 What mission?
@@gonzalocastillo6489 video will come 😉
I find this mission writing kinda weird. Jack believes Clara and never questions Harold or tries to have a discussion about if it was even true. Adultery is a huge accusation, so i can see Harold being really to fight after Jack pesters him more about the money.
But then again, the writing can make sense as I'm sure there are people who believe 1 person's story off nothing.
This was back in 1916. Women were much more proper and there was severe penalty to women that cheat
I don't think this side mission vindicates or proves Dutch correct.
i cant be the only one that sees that jacket that Jack is wearing and think its Arthurs
No a lot of people recognize this now 💪
what if you shoot the gun out his hand?
You either die or he still dies 😅 it's not possible to spare him.
You spear them and disarmed the gunslinger
@@Zackgotmoves not possible in this side mission
Good question bro , actually you can't, i tried so many times but at the end if you shot to his hand he will die instantly
@@amir-mtoosi6704 yes exactly haha 😅
I don’t think he was scammed, they would’ve said so explicitly
@@RougeHimbo we will never know...
So? Guy dueled him, he shoot him in self-defense, what the problem is?
The duel was for nothing. Jack killed an innocent man. The woman lied.
@@gregai8456 yep 💪
@@gregai8456 duel was because guy was stupid enough to duel instead of talking out the situation. The girl's behavior was no reason in his death, just triggered his lethal stupidity.
@@makb_the_striker it’s just a game bruh chill
@@gregai8456 I'm as cool, as possible. You and channel author interpret that scene from a very weird moral perspective, I have a different interpretation. It's called "discussion".
I feel like Jack having low honor is alot cooler cause in the end its like his parents desperately trying to teach him to be good but hes seen to much from the gang at that age and it would make sense that hed be kinda mean when they both pass away due to Ross
@@tyr573 it makes absolutely sense that he becomes a bad person or atleast someone with low honor.
Does Jack wear spurs? Just a random question?
As far as I know he does not wear spurs. Atleast he doesn't in his "cowboy outfit"
@@MisterAlpha444 that’s fair as, as far as I know spurs were probably more uncommon in 1914.
@@Gingersnap_Adventures did not know that 😅
@@MisterAlpha444 no I’m assuming spurs became uncommon during that time, I’ll leave conformations to the historians instead of a comment section, lol.
We need a red dead 3 about jack or make it about how Dutch formed the gang either would be absolutely amazing
My dream RDR3 would be with Landon Ricketts tbh.
would be nice if Jack and Clara were a couple
what is more funny to me is that everyone takes the widows claim that Clara was laughing at a funeral as true and that somehow means everything Jack was told by her was a lie... A lot of stuff is implied here and theres no definite answer on who lied, maybe the woman at the end lied.
@@SatongiFilms true 💪
Dutch was right about what?
Dutch's last's words before he died: "we can't fight our own nature"
it started with Arthur telling John to leave his life for good but as soon as he heard Micah he went for revenge which basically started the whole RDR1 storyline
No matter how hard John and Abigail tried... in the end Jack became exactly what they tried to avoid.
He also went for revenge and ends up killing people randomly (even if this possibly isn't canon)
@@MisterAlpha444 I mean... thats the whole point of the Edgar Ross dual. Which is canon I'm pretty sure.
@@fenixchief7 I mean this side mission can played with John or with Jack.
@@MisterAlpha444 But all side missions can be played with John or Jack, bar "I Know You" of course. Jack'd come off worse if he were to kill the old goat at Pleasance House, bring the wife back to the Armadillo saloon, etc
@@MisterAlpha444Edgar Ross will still go for John even if he doesn’t kill Micah. Ross plans to wipe out the remaining Van Der Linde gunslingers
Now if only there were a game feature that allowed you to slow down time and draw your gun to paint "X's" on a characters body for missions like this. But I'm guessing R* made it so you can't harm her.
What was he right about?
Dutch's last's words before he died: "we can't fight our own nature"
it started with Arthur telling John to leave his life for good but as soon as he heard Micah he went for revenge which basically started the whole RDR1 storyline
No matter how hard John and Abigail tried... in the end Jack became exactly what they tried to avoid.
He also went for revenge and ends up killing people randomly (even if this possibly isn't canon)
@@MisterAlpha444 Capping Micah had zip to do with setting up RDR1's circumstances for the Marston family.
Edgar Ross knew John had been member of the gang, found out where he was living with his family, and forced John to do his work for him. That circumstance would've occurred regardless of whether or not MIcah was dead.
@@CognizantCheddarbut the point was killing Micah left a trail that lead all the way back to John and his family. Had John not done it Ross might’ve had a tougher time trying to find and would’ve probably given up or at very least taken longer to find, and John would’ve had more time with his family and him and Abigail could’ve prevented Jack from becoming and outlaw but John went and killed Micah and that was key for Ross and Archer to find him sooner and begin the events in RDR1.
@@tuauafiafiahoching1753 There's no evidence killing Micah 'left a trail' -- it happened in the Amberino mountain wilderness.
John built his ranch smack in the middle of West Elizabeth. Ross didn't have to look hard to find him.
@@CognizantCheddar dude did you even beat the game? Look at the end credits Ross and Archer found Micah’s body in the mountains and the black water money inside was gone. And who could’ve killed all these men and Micah and walked away with it. They believed it most certainly had to have been a member of the Van Der Linde gang and so they went and investigated the entire map of rdr2 to find him and did John could’ve had a longer happier life but snuffing out Micah cut his time short. This all indicated at the end of rdr2 all the evidence is there idiot.
"Landon Rickets eat your heart out!"
Why is John Mexican?
What do you mean ? 😅 because Jack looks like Javier ?
@@MisterAlpha444 ohhh nooooo.. Abigail...
@@Pebbles803 Javier joined when Jack already born, Jack's model in 1914 is reskin of John with same facial features apart from facial hair.