7:22 I just realized Dutch says the same speech to John before jumping off the cliff to kill himself, as he said to the soldiers before jumping in the stream with Arthur to flee the army
@@theraiden1018I don’t think so, I think Dutch thought it was very possible he was going to die then too and that’s why he said the speech in both scenes.
@@theraiden1018 In chapter 1 you can find Dutches speeches written down. He holds on to a the few things that work. The preacher gets up close then you see he has a gun is his whole vibe.
I also like the parallel between Dutch's last words: "our time has passed, John", and Arthur's words at the beggining of chapter 3: "we are thieves, in a world that don't want us anymore". If only Dutch realized earlier that Arthur's words were not the doubtful kind, but a relistic pov of the world.
Never thought about that but you are right! In general it’s insane to me how well both games fit each other. Nothing seems forced or incoherent when it comes to the connection of rdr 1 and rdr 2. Well… at least besides the character of Javier.
@@johnjim1250Agreed. Hosea was the voice of reason who kept Dutch's ruthless nature in check. Not Hosea's death (the very moment he was killed by Milton) was what made Dutch go crazy from one moment to another, but Hosea not being there for him from then on in the long run. Plus both Micah freely playing Dutch from then on and Dutch most likely suffering a concussion in the trolley accident adding up on this. But afterall, Dutch was vile from the get go.
4:54 is my favorite John moment, the shear terror in the scientists face when John tells him he's handing him over then johns light hearted "I'm just kidding" makes me laugh every time.
It's like John said 12 years earlier: Killing in cold blood, revenge... We all do bad things, but he seems to enjoy it now. It's like he just wants to create more enemies, more chaos!
RDR2 has a lot of good comedy, but RDR has a certain charm and stupidity to certain scenes that can’t be replicated. I still laugh at the Blackwater hotel scene. “You and-and-and your friend there, the professor… we’re gonna kill the both of ya’.” “Why you wanna do a thing like that?” “I dunno. Sport, I guess.” “Fair enough.”
Rdr1 is dark while still being extremely satirical. It degrades most of the characters to an almost ridiculous degree. Reyes fucking every single whore of Mexico after having just sung his feelings to "Laura". Seeing the professor being a cocaine addict who gets scared of trees (I remind you he calls himself an explorer) or even just Seth whose narrative arc makes zero sense especially at the end and in undead nightmare. And because this game allows so utterly disgusting events or characters in a somewhat humoristic way, it creates a perfect balance between dark and funny, but it’s especially the way characters interact with these, John joking about giving away the professor as an example. Or seeing cannibals in undead nightmare who can’t give two shits about the apocalypse. Because everyone is crazy except John in the game it makes him seem like he’s the crazy one and that’s such a stupid logic that’s both funny and depressing, the perfect balance rdr2 did not lacked but rather did not choose to replicate.
@@jiffy2cool4u55 I personally do prefer RDR2’s more down-to-earth sense of humor, but I also think that type of humor wouldn’t have worked in RDR1. Each work well for their own respective game.
I also prefer the dialogue in rdr1. Idk how to explain but they feel more natural, stuttering, voice cracks etc. Not only that but also the way it was written. I feel like rdr2 is more theatrical. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Just that it's different and i have my own preferences.
After playing red dead 2, its kinda sad to hear dutch go from sounding like quite a civilised man, with good intentions, to then sounding like a crazy man who has lost his civilised ways and started sounding a lot more rurual and desperate with every word he says. Kind of heartbreaking 💔
@JerseyMcgee81 maybe so. But it does still sound like he's got more desperation in his voice, and is not so composed and cunning. He just does things without thinking
@@dutchplanderlinde319 You weren't paying attention to the game, sounds like you are the type who would have fallen for Dutch's b.s., Rains fall even stated as much on the horse ride to the sacred artifacts "People only become more of who they truly are", meaning Hosea and Arthur dying only hastened Dutch's descent into madness, his plan was always just pie in the sky, he never had any intention of Tahiti or anything else it was just a carrot to string the gang along to do his bidding.
@JerseyMcgee81 Just cuz his plan goes to shit doesn’t mean he didn't have a plan. While everything was good and everyone was alive, he cared for his gang members like Jack and how he reacts to Sean. He's turned into the monster we see in rdr1 because of the deaths he sees in rdr2. That was his descent into madness.
8:48 “It looks better in the report that way” Framing John as a cold killer instead of arresting is probably what got Ross the Green light on getting John killed
when i first saw that cutscene i assumed he just wanted to take credit for killing dutch by saying something like "edgar ross has shot dutch in the head!"
Nah Edgar Ross intended on leaving John alone. The reason he shot Dutch's corpse was so John wouldn't get screwed out of the deal for not directly ending Dutch, and going after him and the other federal agents (thus creating another Dutch, an angry outlaw with nothing to lose now.) The reason why Beechers Hope was attacked later was because the running governor's big campaign move for election was "wiping out all outlaws from the region." With many knowing Johns past, he wanted John wiped from the board and frame it as a "I finished off the last member of the Van Der linde gang." John was killed and Jack's life was destroyed all over a local politician's ego, despite John holding up his end of the deal. This proved Dutch was right in some ways about how the US Government would just "find another monster to justify their wages." Edgar Ross didn't care one way or the other. He would've left John in peace, but since his boss wanted him gone, he carried out the order regardless.
1:00 His voice, you can feel his regret, his sorrow but there's no turning back anymore for him, damn! Dutch was such a complex character, not just a leader turned into a maniac.
You cal feel his regret? Bro did you play rdr2 ?!? This Dutch guy is a mastermind when it comes to decieving and tricking others, he made clear in rdr2 that he ONLY cares about himself and the money he get the rest of the gang can rot in hell, i mean Arthur said " dutch i need help here " and he just walks away You really think clown ass is complex lmao
Dutch says to John "you always were the romantic sort" when John is trying to save the lady Dutch shoots, it's a very close line to what Colm says to Dutch in rdr2 "you always did like the ladies, Dutch." It shows Dutch was no different then Colm.
After playing RDR II a bunch of times this totally hits home in a deep way that Dutch is a tragic character that slowly but surely turned into a crazed Villain & killer
@@jasonhahn8797Not bad question and from my perspective: no its never too late if the person truly wants to cherish that saving it will change him, depends what happened to that person and why did he go his own way after that. We are our own worst enemies either we choose that path on our own or with help of the others.
I have a headcannon where after the Epilogues of RDR2, Dutch would occasionally have a vivid hallucination whenever he camps at night of Hosea and Arthur sitting on the log with Dutch. Dutch would try to talk to them, but they just simply stare instead of responding. Not angrily but in utter disappointment.
yeah thats a cool/depresssing thought I also imagine dutch saying "I'm sorry arthur....... for all of it" kinda like how obi wan says to darth vader in star wars
@KeyUploadskeyword is "hallucination" they ain't real so it don't matter if Arthur and Hosea would forgive Dutch because it wouldn't be the real Arthur and Hosea just fragments of Dutch's moral compass shaming him by taking the form of the ones he loved most
Yeah because in the few scenes they're in they're very impactful. The way they interact with john shows everything we need to know. That's what i like about rdr1 it's way shorter than rdr2 but still has so much depth to it. I actually quite enjoy this type of story telling. More straight to the point but still with a lot of depth and ways to interpret what they say and their beliefs.
It's fascinating. They cast long shadows over the entire game, but Bill and Dutch only have three scenes each, and one of Bill's is very brief. Dutch's scenes were frozen in my memory, though, they were so good that I remembered them perfectly even after so many years. I was impressed that they brought back the same actors for Dutch and Bill, even though the second game was such a bigger commitment.
@Gijew11 I mean. I think they're grateful to have work lol. But I get what you mean. Their impact is made through the game as we gotta believe their impactful through the eyes of John. In red dead 2 we get to see what they actually did. And it did not end well for any of then
@@israelruiz8706 it's not just having work, this was a multiple year commitment to record all the lines and scenes. Not all actors are going to be able to do that. Rob Weithoff almost had to pass on coming back to voice John Marston because he and his family had moved
@@TheGIJew. I thought voice acting was different. Usually from what I've read. Voice acting can get knocked out very quick as they build the game around the lines. Unless he was the one doing the motion captures for the scenes. Which most of the times are done by stunt doubles.
@@BennyTempino5 He sided with him because they were best friends, only reason he continued trusting in Dutch’s plan, knowing deep inside Dutch wasn’t thinking straight
It feels like dutch is trying to find a reason for doing this, like how he rationalized killing people in RD2 for a part of a "plan" But there is no plan here, dutch is hunting to people because he really has nothing else to do in his life than cause more violence. So he just sulks and says "For sport, I guess" Incredible story
1:48 1:59 3:45 Agent Milton: "You're nothing more than a killer, Mr. van der Linde." 7:30 Angelo Bronte: "You are nothing. You do nothing, you mean nothing, you stand for nothing. And when the law catch up to you, you will die like nothing."
''Our time's passed, John..'' I felt sad about this sentence, for those who played RDR2 you will know that Dutch was referring to that time, when he had what he needed: a family, friends and a ''girlfriend''. He threw all this away for money and greed, he died knowing that at that moment he could not go back, his redemption had arrived.
@J6ZX I think it's even more complex than that - America was becoming too developed for men like him to survive. The laws were always there, what changed was the infrastructure to enforce those laws - Pinkertons, telephone, wire telegrams. There were so many places to hide when the actions of the Van Der Linde gang got around only through word of mouth and the newspaper. All they ever had to deal with was local law, who didn't know what Dutch van Der Linde looked like when he strolled into town. After the rise of Cornwall and the Pinkertons, that was all over. They had a corporation dedicated to finding and catching men like them, all while the wilds they could duck and hide in were gradually shrinking, faster by the year. That's why Dutch romanticized the idea of a Savage Utopia, it was place where he could go on doing what he wanted, forever.
Even though the game wasn’t really planned when RDR1 came out, I still like to think that in Dutch’s final moments, he thought back to what Arthur told him 12 years back. "Things have changed…The whole world has changed. That they don’t want folk like us no more." Always felt like Dutch heard through with Arthur in his final moments though and I like to keep that my head canon.
@@MrSoup-zs4rdBut back then, Dutch's gang was like robinhood. Rob from the rich who wouldn't miss it, rob from people with ill begotten gains, and give help to those who need it. That was their versions of justice. Arthur and John say this repeatedly in both games. Everything went downhill once they went on the run and tried saving themselves. There was no more justice and the majority of the members more and more disillusioned with what they were doing as Dutch became more and more desperate and paranoid.
Indeed, but I presume as a know outlaw in the run for even your old "friends" It make sense he doens't want to wear his usual fancy drip (Maybe he even do the horrendous crime of thowing It aways!)
His little speech he had before he killed himself is the same thing he said before he and Arthur jumped off a cliff into some water to escape the army in rdr 2.
The first time he said it he was refering to himself, his nature was being an outlaw for life, he was coming to terms with it, encouraged by Micah, he wasn't letting anyone try to stop him anymore. The second time he was refering to civilization, finally accepting that there is no place for him or Jhon in that new world and that he was fighting an impenetrable wall, so he choose to die on his own terms. He was later proven right as Jhon was hunted again, even after all he did to try to be left alone and live with his family, they would never let him.
I loved John in the first game not really knowing the history and the background of it all I looked at him as the hero of the whole story (Red Dead Redemption) but as you play the game and the story goes more in depth you realize John isn’t the good guy he is just a man trying to wash his sins of all the crimes he has committed and in Red Dead 2 we get to see those crimes and find out how John was the planner of a few of these missions. This story is really sad and really good and it really shows the title of a man LOOKING FOR REDEMPTION
Great point and great insight. I do like to give John more credit. I always saw him as a person who was bad but became decent. Not a saint certainly, but like you said, someone who realizes his bad past but wants to rid himself of it.
I feel like john's a good man in nature. He tends to help people in need and protect his family at all cost. But he's not completely good either. That's what adds depth to him. The violence that he's able to show, the lack of care for some of the people he kills, the lack of thinking things through before acting. All of these makes him a really compelling and deep character. A man that did a lot of bad and tried to do better.
I didn’t like John all that much. I think RDR2’s story telling was far more in depth which made you like Arthur a lot more. That’s obvious though. RDR1 didn’t have that same likable charm to it. John is great, I just like Arthur more, that’s solely due to RDR2’s phenomenal story telling.
thought it was fucking tragic playing and then John dying at the end, then you play RDR2 and the final mission is like a swan song for John and its just fucking beautiful
I just beat John's story yesterday and I understand what Dutch meant at the end. "They'll just find another monster, to justify their wages", I think he knew the law would turn on John, like him John couldn't change who he was, and they'd never see him as anything but an outlaw
When Dutch saw John he certainly remembered his times with the gang. After Hosea's death he slowly began to become paranoid and crazy, he began to distrust those who had known him for a long time like Arthur and John and began to trust the wrong ones like Micah. The reason he left John behind was because he thought John was the rat but was later shocked to learn from Arthur that Micah was actually the rat. He gave the money from the Blackwater raid to John to make up for it, but John still reluctantly had to kill Dutch in 1911. When John confronted him on the cliff, Dutch saw how much John resembled Arthur. Dutch jumped off the cliff to finally kill himself so that John doesn't have to get his hands dirty because he can finally make amends because he now saw that Arthur and John were loyal to the gang, he saw that it was a mistake to trust Micah because everything used to be better without him and Dutch accepted that there is no longer a place for him at this time.
i kinda dont buy the fact micah eas the only rat tbh, in the first train robbery with the oil wagon there was a rat, in the news paper it says they were tipped off, arthur and the others didnt know naything and i always suspect it to be abigail or maybe even john, always messes with me
I finally finished Red Dead 2 recently, and the ending quite frankly made me feel so bad for Dutch. He had a heart for everyone. Yeah, being an outlaw put him on the Pinkerton's list, but that saying he had at the beginning of Red Dead 2 told us what kind of man he was. Trying to lead a gang of his own to live comfortably, doing whatever it takes. All that he really asked for is his gang to stick with him. That all fell apart once the Saint Denis heist went wrong, causing him to wash up on shore with some of his gang, finding out some of his beloved friends are gone, and going mad from the sudden climate change. Once returning, Micah only made the situation worse by telling everything to the Pinkertons to stress Dutch out even further, slowly turning him insane. He was losing everything he loved right before his eyes, and he was trying to act fast so he would stop losing everything. That caused him to become sloppy and delusional while just trying to leave the country for a better way of life. After Arthur died, he only felt as though he could leech off Micah for some time since Micah betrayed him and his family. Once John showed up at his doorstep later, Dutch had every reason to shoot Micah, so he took the opportunity. After all that, Dutch just spiraled further down into madness. You can hear the regret in his voice, wanting to take it all back. He had lost everything before he knew what was happening, and his emotions drew him mad. He never wanted to become the bad guy, but he killed himself once he realized that he was the bad guy. His story is so sad and full of loss and despair. He's a very well written character.
@@dankdracula6089 Or it was some dude outside the general store in Valentine that heard Arthur, Uncle, and the girls discussing the whole thing out in the open. Or some guy that saw Sean doing target practice right next to a stolen oil wagon 100 yards away from the Lemoyne stables. Or some passerby saw 4 dudes in masks riding an oil wagon through Scarlett Meadows, stop it on the train tracks, and pull out guns, at which point the passerby galloped to Rhodes and told the law. As Arthur said "We got sloppier than the town drunk. We don't need a rat!"
@@themasterofsog why would bronte hear about it? saint denis is in an entire other county of lemoyne, the train robbery was in scarlett meadows, the northern part to be specific, which is practically still new hanover at that point, if anything the rat at the train robbery would be somebody from rhodes or valentine because as @jektonoporkins5025 said, mary-beth told uncle and arthur about the train right in front of the general store, right out in the open
Apparently the first scene that was recorded with Dutch was the ambush at the hotel. And one of Ben’s favourite lines is still: “Now would you kindly send that academic down here so we can show him what we really think of the art of ANTHROPOLOGY!!!” 4:42
As much as he came to hate John, there had to be some part of Dutch that remembered the way things were. Speaking from experience, it’s a bittersweet thing running into someone you had a falling out with. Things can’t go back to the way they were before. But you really wish they could.
@@MrImastinker I think it's plain neither of them really wanted to kill each other. John definitely didn't, and he has far more positive things to say about Dutch in RDR1 than he did in the RDR2 epilogue. (I think American Venom is what changed his mind) And Dutch did choose to throw away his weapon rather than force his son to kill him.
@@MdjsjJdndndn …I’m aware. I’m just relaying the kind of character beats we see in Red Dead to real experiences, praising the writing for how realistic it is.
just the way Dutch says "now would you kindly send that academic out here so we can show him what we really think of the art of anthropology!?" just hits different
“When I’m gone they’ll just find another monster” is so cold and also sad asf knowing John was the other “monster” they found, also the “our time has passed John” makes it sound like Dutch knew they were gonna get John next
Same. I always loved playing rdr1 but there was something about john's interactions with dutch. I was completely taken by it. It's something that i haven't felt since then if i'm being honest. Not even in rdr2.
One of my favorite aspects of Red Dead Redemptions cutscenes is how organic the scenes play out. Its not perfect lines and silence while the other speaks. Dutch's little vocal reactions like when John says "fair enough," (4:00) add a certain je ne sais quoi.
If you look up the video, the only mention of Arthur and red dead redemption one they’re talking about Heidi McCormick to John and said that her eye was hanging out by a thread so I’m guessing he blew a bullet through her head and blew her eye out the side of her face gnarly
Him standing on the edge of the cliff there saying the "can't fight gravity" speech again without Arthur there next to him made me feel things. Fitting that his last words were Arthur's from way back when.
Rdr1’s cutscenes apparently had to be done in a single take, no cutting and pasting like the later games - something to do with how the motion capture works. I think it adds a certain level of rough charm, like you’re watching it live
All these years later John stands for everything Dutch wanted. A farmer with a family that loves him. Over the course Red Dead 2 Dutch allowed himself to be corrupted by the words of an evil man that did nothing but lie to get exactly what he wanted out of the Van Der Lin Gang. A group of heavily armed and ruthless men. Dutch literally went from a man of good moral character with so many people that loved and respected him to a man who was hated and alone because of his corruption at the hands of Micah. A worse fall from grace is hard to fathom, especially when you compare the beginning of Read Dead 2 to Read Dead 1.
I find 4:25 really interesting. Even when he's long gone, lacking all morals and common sense, Dutch still feels the need to justify how he's superior to John in that he's fighting for a cause. That need to fight against the system is just so ingrained in him that even when his mind left him, that desire never did. It shows that Dutch could never fight his own nature.
In the end Arthur was right, despite everyone's opinion on the contrary, he had won. He never have to see Bill sink so low, Javier to be so lost and Dutch losing his mind. It is sickness that killed Arthur, and he died as an unsung legend. Not as a notorious criminal and a crucified monster. Dutch could never accept the truth of who he was.
This game was awesome to play when younger didn't understand story at all, now as an adult and replayed rd2 3 times, this has to be one of the best Rockstar Games franchise.
Fun fact: in the making of RDR1, Dutch’s actor was a heavy smoker. In the making of rdr2, Dutch’s actor was quit for a while, making him sound younger.
@@KD400_it would definitely work as Arthur John Hosea and Dutch been hanging out there whole lives and we only picked up on the story when they were in their 40s and 50s…. Imagine a game where we get to control the gang in their prime 20s and 30s and you know Dutch Hosea John and Arthur got plot armor , or am I wrong I’ve only been playing this game for a year ish
its sad that when arthur and dutch jumped off the cliff in chapter 6, just before they jumped he said 'you cant fight nature, you cant fight change, all my life ive been trying to fight change, you cant fight change, you cant fight gravity' little did we know years later they would be his last words, i like to think they made him think of arthur.
The way Dutch kills the woman in his first cutscene in this game is probably supposed to be evocative of when he killed Heidi McCourt in Blackwater, now that I think about it.
I honestly liked Dutch, he just saw everyone and everything fall apart, the people he cared about, all died, that’s why they that way, not because he is evil but because he is broken
Your absolutely right. The fact he then uses johns gun to shoot him definitely justifies their wages. Dutch was a monster but he understood the game. The government where monsters too just a bigger monster.
@@user-hx6gs9rq7uare you really saying that? John is dumb it doesnt mean that hes a bad character but Arthur, Dutch, Charles, Sadie, Hosea, Mary Beth, Miss Grimshaw, Tilly and even bloody Pearson has more IQ and is smarter than John.
Dutch is undoubtedly the most tragic character in the Red Dead series and Rockstar has ever created he spent his life fighting something that was inevitable, let his narcissism, delusions, selfishness and hypocrisy destroy his gang, and ends up becoming not to different from Colm O’ Driscoll
Im happy you made these videos because i recall there was a guy called RJGhostwizard or something who uploaded these vidoes showing all the scenes of dutch and javier and bill back in like 2017. I dont know what happened to them or his channel but they're gone now but now that you've uploaded them i can always look at all the scenes.
It always stood in my mind the scene when John corners Dutch in the bank of Blackwater and he kills the girl as a way of Rockstar telling us: - This is what Dutch made in the Blackwater Massacre in 1899.
Whats sad, is Edgar Ross intended on leaving John alone. The reason he shot Dutch's corpse was so John wouldn't get screwed out of the deal for not directly ending Dutch, and going after him and the other federal agents (thus creating another Dutch, an angry outlaw with nothing to lose now.) If he wanted John dead, he wouldve ended him with the Army ambushing John in the woods after confirming Dutch was dead, then frame the report to say John died in the assault. The reason why Beechers Hope was attacked later was because the running governor's big campaign move for election was "wiping out all outlaws from the region." With many knowing John's past, he wanted John wiped from the board and frame it as a "I finished off the last member of the Van Der linde gang." John was killed and Jack's life was destroyed all over a local politician's ego, despite John holding up his end of the deal. This proved Dutch was right in some ways about how the US Government would just "find another monster to justify their wages." Edgar Ross didn't care one way or the other. He would've left John in peace, but since his boss wanted him gone, he carried out the order regardless.
Ross could've also give John some time with family to kill him later. He's like to play like that He did same thing at the end of Red dead 2, when he tracked John and instead of capturing him right there he decided to wait a little to catch him off guard
my personal head canon is that when he jumps of the cliff, he hallucinated that he and arthur are falling down to the waters, thats why his speech is so similar.
Dutch did this to himself. His actions in RDR2 after Hosea died were bad, but here they are worse. The one thing he said his gang was not, and he proved all was bs after he killed that girl. Personally, i am glad he took his life.
He never wanted any of this tho. I can safely say that Arthur and John died because it was consequences of their own actions too. They did this to themselves too.
@@theclown2664exactly. You know people who don't like Dutch or want to judge Dutch always sit up here and act like he's the only one with faults and guilt. Like you said Dutch truly never wanted things to turn out the way they did. But try explaining that to simple-minded one-dimensional people.
@@senshiserenity7088 How is it one-dimensional to say these things happened bc of his actions? Dutch has had many opportunities to change, but didn’t.
after the second game it actually hurts alot you grow to love all the characters and see how they started you grew to love dutch so much javier bill and whoever else was shown in the first game that we seen in the second game seeing them lost their minds lost their good and love and care was a huge slap in the face and punch in the stomach we get to feel how john felt when he had to work for the goverment and track down the people who were once his brothers at first we were like "well who cares i dont know them" to "damn this sucks now" shows how unfair life is and how most days it tears down those who were once dreamers
You know, maybe this is nothing, but considering Dutch's hatred of civilization and modernity he spouted in RDR2, I find it interesting that he's using a very modern pistol in RDR1 (well, modern by late 19th, early 20th century standards).
He also uses an automobile to escape the bank in RDR1 and there's a typewriter in his cave in Cochinay. Dutch sure was a hypocrite who had quite paradoxical thoughts.
Sounds like the sound engineers modified Dutch’s voice lines to sound older than John’s sound. It sounds like Dutch is talking through a 1950s microphone
I wonder - when Dutch held his "You can't fight change"-speech - if his mind was twisted enough that he thought he would survive the fall and escape just like with Arthur in RDR2, when they were fleeing the military ... that would be seriously unsettling, the ultimate downfall (pun not intended) of a once educated and thoughtful man and leader into insanity and craziness.
Dutch repeats what he says when he's with Arthur at the edge of the cliff fighting the Army before he dies. "You can't fight nature, you can't fight change. You can't fight... gravity." Everything comes full circle.
Despite the first game coming first lorewise you could say that it's dutch remembering the last time him and arthur really fought together, and in his final moments he is remembering the past snd how his own nature destroyed everything he had
Without the charisma and civilized facade he is exactly like Colm O‘Driscoll.
Damn he really is Colm
@@jayleefarley6912 Even colm called Dutch out on his lies and overly charismatic nature
Kieran was right about both of the gangs not being so different
@@yellowbirdie7182 yeah man i sad he died
Even worse than Colm
7:04
"I got a plan John"
"You always got a plan, Dutch"
hits a lot harder after RDR2
Even without RDR2 for context, it doest such a great job portraying who Dutch is and what he and the gang went through
@KeyUploadsI don’t doubt it
"but first.... we need money"
I like how the scene is literally 1:1 to that mission with the Indians
@KeyUploadsyes.
7:22
I just realized Dutch says the same speech to John before jumping off the cliff to kill himself, as he said to the soldiers before jumping in the stream with Arthur to flee the army
That’s something I didn’t like it part 2. Unnecessary call back
@@theraiden1018I don’t think so, I think Dutch thought it was very possible he was going to die then too and that’s why he said the speech in both scenes.
@@theraiden1018 In chapter 1 you can find Dutches speeches written down. He holds on to a the few things that work. The preacher gets up close then you see he has a gun is his whole vibe.
Took bro how many years to notice this very obvious parallel
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I also like the parallel between Dutch's last words: "our time has passed, John", and Arthur's words at the beggining of chapter 3: "we are thieves, in a world that don't want us anymore". If only Dutch realized earlier that Arthur's words were not the doubtful kind, but a relistic pov of the world.
"Hey John remember when we were higher resolution."
Lmao 😂
Underrated comment 🙏
The best and funniest comment 🤣 😂
For some reason I remember the graphics being much better lol.
We was a lot younger back then, too. What of it, Dutch?
Hosea's death made Dutch heartless. Arthur’s death made Dutch insane!
Dutch was heartless long before Hosea, insane long before Arthur
Never thought about that but you are right! In general it’s insane to me how well both games fit each other. Nothing seems forced or incoherent when it comes to the connection of rdr 1 and rdr 2. Well… at least besides the character of Javier.
@@johnjim1250Agreed.
Hosea was the voice of reason who kept Dutch's ruthless nature in check. Not Hosea's death (the very moment he was killed by Milton) was what made Dutch go crazy from one moment to another, but Hosea not being there for him from then on in the long run.
Plus both Micah freely playing Dutch from then on and Dutch most likely suffering a concussion in the trolley accident adding up on this.
But afterall, Dutch was vile from the get go.
@@johnjim1250not in my playthrough he wasnt
@@darkepankakes8302 in every playthrough he was, because Dutch has always been a vile person using people as tools for his dreams of grandeur
4:54 is my favorite John moment, the shear terror in the scientists face when John tells him he's handing him over then johns light hearted "I'm just kidding" makes me laugh every time.
He's just like Arthur 😂😂
Antagonize & Defuse.
the „i’m just kidding“ sounds so real
@@Kevin_Ramirez2020cause Arthur is rdr1 John remastered
This so hilarious lmao
It's like John said 12 years earlier: Killing in cold blood, revenge... We all do bad things, but he seems to enjoy it now. It's like he just wants to create more enemies, more chaos!
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“I wish things were different…but it weren’t us who changed.” - Arthur Morgan
Dutch gave up living a long time ago, he was just waiting to die or be killed.
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He totally started to openly enjoy it after he taunted and murdered Cornwall. “More noise”, yeah.
RDR2 has a lot of good comedy, but RDR has a certain charm and stupidity to certain scenes that can’t be replicated. I still laugh at the Blackwater hotel scene.
“You and-and-and your friend there, the professor… we’re gonna kill the both of ya’.”
“Why you wanna do a thing like that?”
“I dunno. Sport, I guess.”
“Fair enough.”
Yeah RDR 1 is more dark and cynical and I like it a little bit more than 2 for that
Maybe being off the heels of GTA 4 had some influence on that
Rdr1 is dark while still being extremely satirical. It degrades most of the characters to an almost ridiculous degree. Reyes fucking every single whore of Mexico after having just sung his feelings to "Laura". Seeing the professor being a cocaine addict who gets scared of trees (I remind you he calls himself an explorer) or even just Seth whose narrative arc makes zero sense especially at the end and in undead nightmare. And because this game allows so utterly disgusting events or characters in a somewhat humoristic way, it creates a perfect balance between dark and funny, but it’s especially the way characters interact with these, John joking about giving away the professor as an example. Or seeing cannibals in undead nightmare who can’t give two shits about the apocalypse. Because everyone is crazy except John in the game it makes him seem like he’s the crazy one and that’s such a stupid logic that’s both funny and depressing, the perfect balance rdr2 did not lacked but rather did not choose to replicate.
@@jiffy2cool4u55 I personally do prefer RDR2’s more down-to-earth sense of humor, but I also think that type of humor wouldn’t have worked in RDR1. Each work well for their own respective game.
I also prefer the dialogue in rdr1. Idk how to explain but they feel more natural, stuttering, voice cracks etc. Not only that but also the way it was written. I feel like rdr2 is more theatrical.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Just that it's different and i have my own preferences.
After playing red dead 2, its kinda sad to hear dutch go from sounding like quite a civilised man, with good intentions, to then sounding like a crazy man who has lost his civilised ways and started sounding a lot more rurual and desperate with every word he says. Kind of heartbreaking 💔
That was all a facade, this is who he truly was from the beginning.
@JerseyMcgee81 maybe so. But it does still sound like he's got more desperation in his voice, and is not so composed and cunning. He just does things without thinking
@JerseyMcgee81 he was not the same person he was before Hosea and Arthur died. would've been different if they didn't die the way they did.
@@dutchplanderlinde319 You weren't paying attention to the game, sounds like you are the type who would have fallen for Dutch's b.s., Rains fall even stated as much on the horse ride to the sacred artifacts "People only become more of who they truly are", meaning Hosea and Arthur dying only hastened Dutch's descent into madness, his plan was always just pie in the sky, he never had any intention of Tahiti or anything else it was just a carrot to string the gang along to do his bidding.
@JerseyMcgee81 Just cuz his plan goes to shit doesn’t mean he didn't have a plan. While everything was good and everyone was alive, he cared for his gang members like Jack and how he reacts to Sean. He's turned into the monster we see in rdr1 because of the deaths he sees in rdr2. That was his descent into madness.
4:54 antagonize
4:58 defuse
Lol
Almost sounds like he's smiling through his speech after that. So random and funny.
I really like his little grin he does when he says just kidding
9:11 Antagonize
9:17 Defuse
@@StreetSweepJohn's voice actor does a great job here. It's such a messed up joke to make but he makes it so funny 😭
8:48
“It looks better in the report that way”
Framing John as a cold killer instead of arresting is probably what got Ross the Green light on getting John killed
Ross is a asshole compared to Milton. Damn pure evil.
Exactly
when i first saw that cutscene i assumed he just wanted to take credit for killing dutch by saying something like "edgar ross has shot dutch in the head!"
Nah Edgar Ross intended on leaving John alone. The reason he shot Dutch's corpse was so John wouldn't get screwed out of the deal for not directly ending Dutch, and going after him and the other federal agents (thus creating another Dutch, an angry outlaw with nothing to lose now.) The reason why Beechers Hope was attacked later was because the running governor's big campaign move for election was "wiping out all outlaws from the region." With many knowing Johns past, he wanted John wiped from the board and frame it as a "I finished off the last member of the Van Der linde gang."
John was killed and Jack's life was destroyed all over a local politician's ego, despite John holding up his end of the deal. This proved Dutch was right in some ways about how the US Government would just "find another monster to justify their wages." Edgar Ross didn't care one way or the other. He would've left John in peace, but since his boss wanted him gone, he carried out the order regardless.
@@Savagem8 Sounds more like it.
1:00 His voice, you can feel his regret, his sorrow but there's no turning back anymore for him, damn! Dutch was such a complex character, not just a leader turned into a maniac.
@@MicahBellMenace true 😢
You cal feel his regret?
Bro did you play rdr2 ?!?
This Dutch guy is a mastermind when it comes to decieving and tricking others, he made clear in rdr2 that he ONLY cares about himself and the money he get the rest of the gang can rot in hell, i mean Arthur said " dutch i need help here " and he just walks away
You really think clown ass is complex lmao
Jesus Loves You
@@rwils7925he clearly doesn’t love you
Dutch says to John "you always were the romantic sort" when John is trying to save the lady Dutch shoots, it's a very close line to what Colm says to Dutch in rdr2 "you always did like the ladies, Dutch." It shows Dutch was no different then Colm.
After playing RDR II a bunch of times this totally hits home in a deep way that Dutch is a tragic character that slowly but surely turned into a crazed Villain & killer
Jesus Loves You
@@rwils7925he truly does. But do you believe that it can be too late for people who go there own way for two long after they've been saved?
@@jasonhahn8797Not bad question and from my perspective: no its never too late if the person truly wants to cherish that saving it will change him, depends what happened to that person and why did he go his own way after that. We are our own worst enemies either we choose that path on our own or with help of the others.
@@theclown2664 I've been trying the past two or three days. Mainly my problems now are vaping and idolatry.
@@jasonhahn8797 U stopped vaping now?
I have a headcannon where after the Epilogues of RDR2, Dutch would occasionally have a vivid hallucination whenever he camps at night of Hosea and Arthur sitting on the log with Dutch. Dutch would try to talk to them, but they just simply stare instead of responding. Not angrily but in utter disappointment.
Dam that would of been a good cutscene
That's a really great idea. And it's my head cannon now too
yeah thats a cool/depresssing thought I also imagine dutch saying "I'm sorry arthur....... for all of it" kinda like how obi wan says to darth vader in star wars
@KeyUploadskeyword is "hallucination" they ain't real so it don't matter if Arthur and Hosea would forgive Dutch because it wouldn't be the real Arthur and Hosea just fragments of Dutch's moral compass shaming him by taking the form of the ones he loved most
And then Dutch reaches out to touch Hosea and they both dissipate.
You never realize how little Dutch, Abigail, and Bill are in the game
Yeah because in the few scenes they're in they're very impactful.
The way they interact with john shows everything we need to know.
That's what i like about rdr1 it's way shorter than rdr2 but still has so much depth to it.
I actually quite enjoy this type of story telling. More straight to the point but still with a lot of depth and ways to interpret what they say and their beliefs.
It's fascinating. They cast long shadows over the entire game, but Bill and Dutch only have three scenes each, and one of Bill's is very brief. Dutch's scenes were frozen in my memory, though, they were so good that I remembered them perfectly even after so many years. I was impressed that they brought back the same actors for Dutch and Bill, even though the second game was such a bigger commitment.
@Gijew11 I mean. I think they're grateful to have work lol.
But I get what you mean. Their impact is made through the game as we gotta believe their impactful through the eyes of John. In red dead 2 we get to see what they actually did. And it did not end well for any of then
@@israelruiz8706 it's not just having work, this was a multiple year commitment to record all the lines and scenes. Not all actors are going to be able to do that. Rob Weithoff almost had to pass on coming back to voice John Marston because he and his family had moved
@@TheGIJew. I thought voice acting was different. Usually from what I've read. Voice acting can get knocked out very quick as they build the game around the lines.
Unless he was the one doing the motion captures for the scenes. Which most of the times are done by stunt doubles.
Whenever Javier says "dutch killed a girl....in a bad way...." in rdr2 I always think back to this scene.
Even crazier is that the strange man refers to that same ferry incident when you first meet him in the first game.
“It’s over, man.”
The way he says that hits hard after rdr2
3:29 Dutch: is that you john 👋🏽 / John : Hello Dutch 😃
Hey, mister! 🤠
The only person who was seeing through Dutch's bullshit from the start in the second game was Uncle
And John, ever since the start he was one of the few that openly doubted Dutch.
@TheMartyrNeverFadeshow? Hosea got himself killed siding too much with Dutch and his decisions
@@BennyTempino5 He sided with him because they were best friends, only reason he continued trusting in Dutch’s plan, knowing deep inside Dutch wasn’t thinking straight
Uncle despite playing the fool was wiser than a lot of ppl give him credit for. Gotta know when to play smart and when to play dumb
John and uncle were the one that caught on even arthur and hosea but they just shrugged it off
3:40
"We're gonna kill the both of ya'."
"Why'd you wanna do somethin' like that?"
"Uh... I dunno, sport? I guess?"
"Fair enough"
I think they very intentionally animated Dutch’s face here to show a quick glimpse of sorrow as he said “sport? I guess?”
@@Acrylescent they didn't animate the faces, they're real actors!
@@WitchVillager That's a really good point haha I didn't think about it being face captured which makes a lot of sense.
I love how John reacts to it - he no longer is the humble weakling that he was when he was with Dutch
It feels like dutch is trying to find a reason for doing this, like how he rationalized killing people in RD2 for a part of a "plan"
But there is no plan here, dutch is hunting to people because he really has nothing else to do in his life than cause more violence. So he just sulks and says
"For sport, I guess"
Incredible story
I remember I used to think he was shirtless with that skin colored top
Same bro before HD & 4k tvs where everywhere 😂
And how on earth he can stand with the cold weather wearing like that tho
@@rahulmurali8302it’s actually the warmest shirt in red dead 2
It's orange, because he's a Dutchman
It’s such a trash fit bruhhh
1:48
1:59
3:45
Agent Milton: "You're nothing more than a killer, Mr. van der Linde."
7:30
Angelo Bronte: "You are nothing. You do nothing, you mean nothing, you stand for nothing. And when the law catch up to you, you will die like nothing."
Well he died like nothing as well just a bit more worse.
He died like a man. That's all anyone can ask for in this world.
@@NikkolasKingyou're weird af if you admire dutch in any way
@@NikkolasKingHe died alone and running away, only facing death when he was cornered
He threw himself off a cliff. How is that dying like a man? We can surely ask for more than that.
''Our time's passed, John..''
I felt sad about this sentence, for those who played RDR2 you will know that Dutch was referring to that time, when he had what he needed: a family, friends and a ''girlfriend''. He threw all this away for money and greed, he died knowing that at that moment he could not go back, his redemption had arrived.
he meant the time of outlaws was passed cuz america was becoming a place with proper laws
@J6ZX I think it's even more complex than that - America was becoming too developed for men like him to survive. The laws were always there, what changed was the infrastructure to enforce those laws - Pinkertons, telephone, wire telegrams.
There were so many places to hide when the actions of the Van Der Linde gang got around only through word of mouth and the newspaper. All they ever had to deal with was local law, who didn't know what Dutch van Der Linde looked like when he strolled into town. After the rise of Cornwall and the Pinkertons, that was all over. They had a corporation dedicated to finding and catching men like them, all while the wilds they could duck and hide in were gradually shrinking, faster by the year.
That's why Dutch romanticized the idea of a Savage Utopia, it was place where he could go on doing what he wanted, forever.
Even though the game wasn’t really planned when RDR1 came out, I still like to think that in Dutch’s final moments, he thought back to what Arthur told him 12 years back. "Things have changed…The whole world has changed. That they don’t want folk like us no more." Always felt like Dutch heard through with Arthur in his final moments though and I like to keep that my head canon.
@@MrSoup-zs4rd
This
@@MrSoup-zs4rdBut back then, Dutch's gang was like robinhood. Rob from the rich who wouldn't miss it, rob from people with ill begotten gains, and give help to those who need it. That was their versions of justice. Arthur and John say this repeatedly in both games. Everything went downhill once they went on the run and tried saving themselves. There was no more justice and the majority of the members more and more disillusioned with what they were doing as Dutch became more and more desperate and paranoid.
what started in the snow ended in the snow
"we have to stop meeting like this"
From the snow to the cave
"Sure"
dEeP!
Rdr2 started in a snowy mountain, and the Rdr2 epilogue and Dutch’s life ended in a snowy Mountain as well
U kno damn well dutch is cold as hell with that janky ass shirt on in that cold ass weather
Along with his sanity, Dutch lost all his style
Indeed, but I presume as a know outlaw in the run for even your old "friends" It make sense he doens't want to wear his usual fancy drip (Maybe he even do the horrendous crime of thowing It aways!)
Analyzing Evil mentioned that here, he at least looks more like the anarchist rebel he paints himself as.
@@a_1973_love_yourself You gotta stop saying drip.
@@mkultra2456 you can't fight change
@@FingerSpazm Sure you can, son.
Remember when Dutch used to wear Gucci spurs and Yeezys
Yeehawzys
And had customized gold engraved schofields made by some russian luxury brand?
Bro lose rizz, threw it on the bin, and now look like a hobo. What a character downhill
@@valhatan3907or maybe he’s fitting the whole wholesome look since he’s playing the native Americans
bro lost his mind and his fashion sense
His little speech he had before he killed himself is the same thing he said before he and Arthur jumped off a cliff into some water to escape the army in rdr 2.
“Can’t fight….gravity..”
The first time he said it he was refering to himself, his nature was being an outlaw for life, he was coming to terms with it, encouraged by Micah, he wasn't letting anyone try to stop him anymore. The second time he was refering to civilization, finally accepting that there is no place for him or Jhon in that new world and that he was fighting an impenetrable wall, so he choose to die on his own terms. He was later proven right as Jhon was hunted again, even after all he did to try to be left alone and live with his family, they would never let him.
@@draconicusmathiusanytherio7630 that was my sign to jump. Didn’t know there was more lol.
no shit
@@franbengal 🤡😐
I loved John in the first game not really knowing the history and the background of it all I looked at him as the hero of the whole story (Red Dead Redemption) but as you play the game and the story goes more in depth you realize John isn’t the good guy he is just a man trying to wash his sins of all the crimes he has committed and in Red Dead 2 we get to see those crimes and find out how John was the planner of a few of these missions. This story is really sad and really good and it really shows the title of a man LOOKING FOR REDEMPTION
Great point and great insight. I do like to give John more credit. I always saw him as a person who was bad but became decent. Not a saint certainly, but like you said, someone who realizes his bad past but wants to rid himself of it.
I feel like john's a good man in nature. He tends to help people in need and protect his family at all cost.
But he's not completely good either. That's what adds depth to him. The violence that he's able to show, the lack of care for some of the people he kills, the lack of thinking things through before acting.
All of these makes him a really compelling and deep character.
A man that did a lot of bad and tried to do better.
@vincentbillings6907 in other words......find redemption.
I didn’t like John all that much. I think RDR2’s story telling was far more in depth which made you like Arthur a lot more. That’s obvious though. RDR1 didn’t have that same likable charm to it. John is great, I just like Arthur more, that’s solely due to RDR2’s phenomenal story telling.
@@13lueBomberRDR1 kinda looks like a parody of RDR2 tbh which serves as testament to how good RDR2 was
thought it was fucking tragic playing and then John dying at the end, then you play RDR2 and the final mission is like a swan song for John and its just fucking beautiful
He threw away his life for revenge
Arthur told him not to. If only he'd listened to Abigail begging him not to go after Micah.
I just beat John's story yesterday and I understand what Dutch meant at the end. "They'll just find another monster, to justify their wages", I think he knew the law would turn on John, like him John couldn't change who he was, and they'd never see him as anything but an outlaw
best part that we knew... He had a plan.
😂
in RDR2 Dutch: "Hello, son."
in RDR1 John: "Hello, Dutch."
Crazy how they created a masterpiece based on a few pieces of a story in RDR1 everyone would be confused about without context.
I can’t imagine how horrified Arthur would be to see Dutch like this 😢
From a charismatic leader to a shabby man
He wasnt real in this game
@@FactsandReelsForall he is now.
@@FactsandReelsForallWhat?
he saw, he gave all he had.
When Dutch saw John he certainly remembered his times with the gang. After Hosea's death he slowly began to become paranoid and crazy, he began to distrust those who had known him for a long time like Arthur and John and began to trust the wrong ones like Micah. The reason he left John behind was because he thought John was the rat but was later shocked to learn from Arthur that Micah was actually the rat. He gave the money from the Blackwater raid to John to make up for it, but John still reluctantly had to kill Dutch in 1911. When John confronted him on the cliff, Dutch saw how much John resembled Arthur. Dutch jumped off the cliff to finally kill himself so that John doesn't have to get his hands dirty because he can finally make amends because he now saw that Arthur and John were loyal to the gang, he saw that it was a mistake to trust Micah because everything used to be better without him and Dutch accepted that there is no longer a place for him at this time.
i kinda dont buy the fact micah eas the only rat tbh, in the first train robbery with the oil wagon there was a rat, in the news paper it says they were tipped off, arthur and the others didnt know naything and i always suspect it to be abigail or maybe even john, always messes with me
I finally finished Red Dead 2 recently, and the ending quite frankly made me feel so bad for Dutch. He had a heart for everyone. Yeah, being an outlaw put him on the Pinkerton's list, but that saying he had at the beginning of Red Dead 2 told us what kind of man he was. Trying to lead a gang of his own to live comfortably, doing whatever it takes. All that he really asked for is his gang to stick with him. That all fell apart once the Saint Denis heist went wrong, causing him to wash up on shore with some of his gang, finding out some of his beloved friends are gone, and going mad from the sudden climate change. Once returning, Micah only made the situation worse by telling everything to the Pinkertons to stress Dutch out even further, slowly turning him insane. He was losing everything he loved right before his eyes, and he was trying to act fast so he would stop losing everything. That caused him to become sloppy and delusional while just trying to leave the country for a better way of life. After Arthur died, he only felt as though he could leech off Micah for some time since Micah betrayed him and his family. Once John showed up at his doorstep later, Dutch had every reason to shoot Micah, so he took the opportunity. After all that, Dutch just spiraled further down into madness. You can hear the regret in his voice, wanting to take it all back. He had lost everything before he knew what was happening, and his emotions drew him mad. He never wanted to become the bad guy, but he killed himself once he realized that he was the bad guy. His story is so sad and full of loss and despair. He's a very well written character.
@@dankdracula6089 Or it was some dude outside the general store in Valentine that heard Arthur, Uncle, and the girls discussing the whole thing out in the open. Or some guy that saw Sean doing target practice right next to a stolen oil wagon 100 yards away from the Lemoyne stables. Or some passerby saw 4 dudes in masks riding an oil wagon through Scarlett Meadows, stop it on the train tracks, and pull out guns, at which point the passerby galloped to Rhodes and told the law. As Arthur said "We got sloppier than the town drunk. We don't need a rat!"
@@dankdracula6089 the rat at the train robbery was bronte
@@themasterofsog why would bronte hear about it? saint denis is in an entire other county of lemoyne, the train robbery was in scarlett meadows, the northern part to be specific, which is practically still new hanover at that point, if anything the rat at the train robbery would be somebody from rhodes or valentine because as @jektonoporkins5025 said, mary-beth told uncle and arthur about the train right in front of the general store, right out in the open
The fact that Dutch is so crazy now and he's still managed to convince a whole bunch of men to follow him.
John: Fair enough
Dutch: AAA
4:00
Dutch: agh
lol never noticed it
Apparently the first scene that was recorded with Dutch was the ambush at the hotel.
And one of Ben’s favourite lines is still: “Now would you kindly send that academic down here so we can show him what we really think of the art of ANTHROPOLOGY!!!” 4:42
It’s a great line lol
I always felt like Dutch was low-key Happy to see John.
As much as he came to hate John, there had to be some part of Dutch that remembered the way things were.
Speaking from experience, it’s a bittersweet thing running into someone you had a falling out with.
Things can’t go back to the way they were before.
But you really wish they could.
@@MrImastinker I think it's plain neither of them really wanted to kill each other. John definitely didn't, and he has far more positive things to say about Dutch in RDR1 than he did in the RDR2 epilogue. (I think American Venom is what changed his mind) And Dutch did choose to throw away his weapon rather than force his son to kill him.
@@MrImastinkerits just a game lol.
Dutch isn't a person irl. He has no consciousness.
@@MdjsjJdndndn
…I’m aware.
I’m just relaying the kind of character beats we see in Red Dead to real experiences, praising the writing for how realistic it is.
@@MdjsjJdndndn you arent very bright, are you
just the way Dutch says "now would you kindly send that academic out here so we can show him what we really think of the art of anthropology!?" just hits different
4:59 I fucking love John 😂
What if he did send the doc to Dutch so they can eat him
“When I’m gone they’ll just find another monster” is so cold and also sad asf knowing John was the other “monster” they found, also the “our time has passed John” makes it sound like Dutch knew they were gonna get John next
Jack also became that monster
i wish dutch had more screentime
cough cough.. rdr2
@@plainbubble i mean coo coo crazy moustache dutch
@@bananacrayon87 Maybe in remake
No he had the perfect amount in rdr1 just enough dialogue to leave there history open and yet creates a interesting villain in Dutch. Hense red dead 2
@@_D01well i got some bad news for you
Dutch completely became insane after he lost his two closest men, Hosea and Arthur
He remembered what Arthur said him "our Time has passed"
The man with a lot of plans 💯.
True that 😂
It's true I'm the man who makes PLANS
The man with more plans than executions.
this was always my favorite part in the game, as a kid. it still is :)
Mine 2 brother
Love your videos
Same. I always loved playing rdr1 but there was something about john's interactions with dutch. I was completely taken by it.
It's something that i haven't felt since then if i'm being honest.
Not even in rdr2.
Im may sound a little sadistic, but i really enjoy listening to Dutches voice.don’t know why he has such a satisfying voice
That ain’t sadistic, he does have a unique, southern, voice cracking drawl with odd inflections that make him sound very distinct
Yea, i mean the reason why i think its sadistic is because of his words. Like "he married a Whore!" Or "we’re gonna kill the both of ya"
@@Dom_C7591i don’t understand half of what those words mean but i agree😂
@@malytheson My bad bro, I typed this really late a few days ago lol. Basically the southern voice with the voice cracks are unique to say the least 😂
@@Dom_C7591all good great😂
One of my favorite aspects of Red Dead Redemptions cutscenes is how organic the scenes play out. Its not perfect lines and silence while the other speaks. Dutch's little vocal reactions like when John says "fair enough," (4:00) add a certain je ne sais quoi.
Dutch's stutterinh and voice cracks also add to that
That's almost the exact noise he makes after Arthur says "I gave you all I had, Dutch"
I think at 1:48, He pulled the same stunt that He used to kill Heidi McCourt to get away from the Pinkertons back on the ferry in Blackwater.
I think you might be right
If you look up the video, the only mention of Arthur and red dead redemption one they’re talking about Heidi McCormick to John and said that her eye was hanging out by a thread so I’m guessing he blew a bullet through her head and blew her eye out the side of her face gnarly
Sad to see how hard Dutch fell off.
From a charismatic figure everyone admired, to a heartless savage killing innocents for "sport".
Him standing on the edge of the cliff there saying the "can't fight gravity" speech again without Arthur there next to him made me feel things. Fitting that his last words were Arthur's from way back when.
Rdr1’s cutscenes apparently had to be done in a single take, no cutting and pasting like the later games - something to do with how the motion capture works. I think it adds a certain level of rough charm, like you’re watching it live
All these years later John stands for everything Dutch wanted. A farmer with a family that loves him. Over the course Red Dead 2 Dutch allowed himself to be corrupted by the words of an evil man that did nothing but lie to get exactly what he wanted out of the Van Der Lin Gang. A group of heavily armed and ruthless men. Dutch literally went from a man of good moral character with so many people that loved and respected him to a man who was hated and alone because of his corruption at the hands of Micah. A worse fall from grace is hard to fathom, especially when you compare the beginning of Read Dead 2 to Read Dead 1.
"I got a plan XXXX, this is a good one" - Exact same line twice. What a masterpiece in connecting stories and weaving them together.
I find 4:25 really interesting. Even when he's long gone, lacking all morals and common sense, Dutch still feels the need to justify how he's superior to John in that he's fighting for a cause. That need to fight against the system is just so ingrained in him that even when his mind left him, that desire never did. It shows that Dutch could never fight his own nature.
It's one of the things he comes to realize before the end. The world changed, but he couldn't.
In the end Arthur was right, despite everyone's opinion on the contrary, he had won.
He never have to see Bill sink so low, Javier to be so lost and Dutch losing his mind. It is sickness that killed Arthur, and he died as an unsung legend. Not as a notorious criminal and a crucified monster.
Dutch could never accept the truth of who he was.
Arthur also didn’t have to see John’s brutal murder Abagail’s stress and jack becoming a gunslinger
This game was awesome to play when younger didn't understand story at all, now as an adult and replayed rd2 3 times, this has to be one of the best Rockstar Games franchise.
6:16 He was right. John would never take him alive.
Lol the way Dutch ragdolls when he dies always makes me laugh
I love Dutch’s character. Idk why
He’s my favorite character
It's because you have some GODDAMM FAITH
it's because youre his son
‘Our time’s passed, John.’ 💔
Fun fact: in the making of RDR1, Dutch’s actor was a heavy smoker. In the making of rdr2, Dutch’s actor was quit for a while, making him sound younger.
Honestly seeing Dutch devolve from a caring leader into a crazed lunatic is depressing
We don’t need a sequel with Jack, we need another prequel!
It would never work after 1914 wild west was done. I wouldn't mind a brand new game set in the 1880s. New characters etc
Yea a new story that leads up to the events of the Blackwater heist
@@KD400_it would definitely work as Arthur John Hosea and Dutch been hanging out there whole lives and we only picked up on the story when they were in their 40s and 50s…. Imagine a game where we get to control the gang in their prime 20s and 30s and you know Dutch Hosea John and Arthur got plot armor , or am I wrong I’ve only been playing this game for a year ish
Fugg Jack
We need both honestly
6:15
"You'll never take me alive, Joh--"
Always loved that quote. Classic Dutch.
its sad that when arthur and dutch jumped off the cliff in chapter 6, just before they jumped he said 'you cant fight nature, you cant fight change, all my life ive been trying to fight change, you cant fight change, you cant fight gravity' little did we know years later they would be his last words, i like to think they made him think of arthur.
Dutch was a well written and well acted villain. He’s up there with Vaas
He’s alot better with RDR2 context
@@BrandonJCruz-gq3lj yeah before then Agent Ross was considered a good villain
Vaas? Are you serious?
I would argue that VAAS is right up there with DUTCH
@@logger22Ross was one of the most hated Rockstar antagonists back then. If you played as him in online you'd get targeted by other players lol.
The way Dutch kills the woman in his first cutscene in this game is probably supposed to be evocative of when he killed Heidi McCourt in Blackwater, now that I think about it.
It’s impressive that a character with less than 10 of screen time in a game could leave such an impression.
It’s just sad seeing Dutch in rdr1 after playing rdr2 , still feel bad for the guy
I honestly liked Dutch, he just saw everyone and everything fall apart, the people he cared about, all died, that’s why they that way, not because he is evil but because he is broken
8:10 Our time has passed John
Arthur was telling dutch that shit back 1899 it took dutch 9 years to finally figure that out lol
@@devingeerdts643 12 years actually 8 years is the epilogue of rdr2
“When I’m gone they’ll just find another monster…”
“That’s their business”
Dutch tried to warn John, but John was too dumb to understand it
John isn’t dumb
@@user-hx6gs9rq7uhe isn’t smart either
Your absolutely right. The fact he then uses johns gun to shoot him definitely justifies their wages. Dutch was a monster but he understood the game. The government where monsters too just a bigger monster.
I’m sure he understands but not much he could do
@@user-hx6gs9rq7uare you really saying that? John is dumb it doesnt mean that hes a bad character but Arthur, Dutch, Charles, Sadie, Hosea, Mary Beth, Miss Grimshaw, Tilly and even bloody Pearson has more IQ and is smarter than John.
Dutch is undoubtedly the most tragic character in the Red Dead series and Rockstar has ever created he spent his life fighting something that was inevitable, let his narcissism, delusions, selfishness and hypocrisy destroy his gang, and ends up becoming not to different from Colm O’ Driscoll
Im happy you made these videos because i recall there was a guy called RJGhostwizard or something who uploaded these vidoes showing all the scenes of dutch and javier and bill back in like 2017. I dont know what happened to them or his channel but they're gone now but now that you've uploaded them i can always look at all the scenes.
2:07 bullseye
It always stood in my mind the scene when John corners Dutch in the bank of Blackwater and he kills the girl as a way of Rockstar telling us: - This is what Dutch made in the Blackwater Massacre in 1899.
6:09 when she spills wine all over the bed
0:07 hello Dutch
How's Abigail
Well, I hope
@@TheMasterBurger45677Ain’t seen her for a while.
Cause you been chasing me?
Let the woman go Dutch.
Every dialogue with this man deserves an oscar
Wow, I knew Dutch didn't have much screen time in RDR but I didn't expect it to be less than 10 minutes.
I think my favourite part about these is just how casually they talk to each other.
Whats sad, is Edgar Ross intended on leaving John alone. The reason he shot Dutch's corpse was so John wouldn't get screwed out of the deal for not directly ending Dutch, and going after him and the other federal agents (thus creating another Dutch, an angry outlaw with nothing to lose now.) If he wanted John dead, he wouldve ended him with the Army ambushing John in the woods after confirming Dutch was dead, then frame the report to say John died in the assault.
The reason why Beechers Hope was attacked later was because the running governor's big campaign move for election was "wiping out all outlaws from the region." With many knowing John's past, he wanted John wiped from the board and frame it as a "I finished off the last member of the Van Der linde gang."
John was killed and Jack's life was destroyed all over a local politician's ego, despite John holding up his end of the deal. This proved Dutch was right in some ways about how the US Government would just "find another monster to justify their wages." Edgar Ross didn't care one way or the other. He would've left John in peace, but since his boss wanted him gone, he carried out the order regardless.
Wow dutch was right
Ross could've also give John some time with family to kill him later. He's like to play like that
He did same thing at the end of Red dead 2, when he tracked John and instead of capturing him right there he decided to wait a little to catch him off guard
my personal head canon is that when he jumps of the cliff, he hallucinated that he and arthur are falling down to the waters, thats why his speech is so similar.
I love how deranged he is here. The mighty has fallen so hard.
Even though Dutch went crazy after Hosea and Arthur died and after his descend into madness and brokenness, its still sad to see Dutch die in rdr1
U know
I know
Funny how he's now calm and collected the moment he embraces his insanity.
Crazy how broken dutch became after the 2 most important people in the gang hosea and Arthur died
5:16 best scene in the mission.
Ooo hoo hoooooo
The most ridiculous game scene I've ever seen in my life 😂
OHOHOHO HOHO
YEAH YEAAAH
OHOHO
Imagine my inocent reaction seeing this for the first time in a seemingly serious mission.@@Beyto_the_Youngster
@@Mabod_0 UA-cam translator thinks you meant
PAW NAILS
YEAH YEAAH
I'm sorry
Dutch did this to himself.
His actions in RDR2 after Hosea died were bad, but here they are worse. The one thing he said his gang was not, and he proved all was bs after he killed that girl. Personally, i am glad he took his life.
Second girl he killed in Blackwater
Then your a god damned fool and just like John your fate will be the same
He never wanted any of this tho. I can safely say that Arthur and John died because it was consequences of their own actions too. They did this to themselves too.
@@theclown2664exactly. You know people who don't like Dutch or want to judge Dutch always sit up here and act like he's the only one with faults and guilt. Like you said Dutch truly never wanted things to turn out the way they did. But try explaining that to simple-minded one-dimensional people.
@@senshiserenity7088 How is it one-dimensional to say these things happened bc of his actions? Dutch has had many opportunities to change, but didn’t.
after the second game it actually hurts alot you grow to love all the characters and see how they started you grew to love dutch so much javier bill and whoever else was shown in the first game that we seen in the second game seeing them lost their minds lost their good and love and care was a huge slap in the face and punch in the stomach we get to feel how john felt when he had to work for the goverment and track down the people who were once his brothers at first we were like "well who cares i dont know them" to "damn this sucks now" shows how unfair life is and how most days it tears down those who were once dreamers
You know, maybe this is nothing, but considering Dutch's hatred of civilization and modernity he spouted in RDR2, I find it interesting that he's using a very modern pistol in RDR1 (well, modern by late 19th, early 20th century standards).
It’s a C93 Borchardt, I think. So, yeah an interesting detail, good sir.
It also represents that inside he already gives up, but cannot give up on the outside.
I mean, Dutch is also a hypocrite at every turn, that's one of his biggest character traits.
He also uses an automobile to escape the bank in RDR1 and there's a typewriter in his cave in Cochinay.
Dutch sure was a hypocrite who had quite paradoxical thoughts.
4:11 this is so funny for no reason
The line about gravity was exactly the same line he told the army when him and Arthur got cornered in a cliff then jumped. Hits damn hard
Sounds like the sound engineers modified Dutch’s voice lines to sound older than John’s sound. It sounds like Dutch is talking through a 1950s microphone
Take a shot every time Dutch says "John"
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Dutch:Jahn
I wonder - when Dutch held his "You can't fight change"-speech - if his mind was twisted enough that he thought he would survive the fall and escape just like with Arthur in RDR2, when they were fleeing the military ... that would be seriously unsettling, the ultimate downfall (pun not intended) of a once educated and thoughtful man and leader into insanity and craziness.
Dutch repeats what he says when he's with Arthur at the edge of the cliff fighting the Army before he dies.
"You can't fight nature, you can't fight change. You can't fight... gravity."
Everything comes full circle.
Despite the first game coming first lorewise you could say that it's dutch remembering the last time him and arthur really fought together, and in his final moments he is remembering the past snd how his own nature destroyed everything he had