Sauce exactly, how dare they add another fire emblem character when people won’t shut up about Geno when there are enough Mario reps. Especially when fe is incredibly popular here in the western world. Such hypocrisy
@@ugp0978 Honestly, I am surprised by the fact that all that hate wasn't thrown toward the Piranha Plant. I mean Sakurai put a freaking Piranha Plant of all things in the roster, for God's sake!
The Super Shiny Mega Gengar I mean he’s an interesting addition and I find him one of the funnest characters to play. People probably didn’t hate on him just because he’s a Mario rep. But what they don’t understand is that fire emblem is a wildly popular franchise here in the west and actually needs reps more than other franchises.
I would think people would be LESS mad? Because at least you can JOKE about Pirahna Plant in Smash. But his kit is also kind of boring, so he'd be forgotten in a week anyway
@Paul Jakens Yeah but not as salty. Because there's a few who would mention how much Ultimate lacks a new WTF character. Someone no one (or all but one) ever expected to see make it into Smash.
6:20 "Legend of Zelda is a game about items, and using your items to your advantage" _Here, we see Link, as he advantageously uses this steel platform to forever end his suffering._
@@ChampZGameplays Cute Touhou girl factor aside, Sakuya would actually make for a pretty interesting moveset, kinda like what she's like in modded Rivals.
to add to this, what if byleth only had one special, up b. instead, the others would switch between weapons and offer new movesets. It wouldn't be like monado arts being a jack of all trades, master of none, character fits byleth perfectly.
so you could have 3 inputs for left, right and down, no matter which way you're facing. pressing neutral b would return to the sword and yeah, thanks for listening to my ted talk
ImFxrr I’d think the opposite would almost be more suiting. I.e., aerials for Bow, Sword jab, Lance Tilts, Smash Attacks for the Axes. Special moves then change based on which weapon is out, allowing for 16 specials (which isn’t that different from Hero).
@@o_oro-q1k Well, before Byleth, anyway Not that I disagree, when playing them back during their initial release, all I could really think was "Huh. They're pretty basic." But at least they're adorable Byleth's...a character. Kinda getting tired of bland characters getting genderswap skins in an attempt to make them more interesting [read: capitalizing the thirsty lads who drool over waifus. And I don't mean that in a bad way, because I'm one of those lads] Unrelated fun fact: There is no unique female sword fighter in Smash. Lucina is the only swordfighter who is female by default, and she's an Echo
GSS was the first I heard, Opera and Classical Opera is literally my singing genre, and Nemesis was a beast. Overall, Blue Lions favourite route that I resonate wholly with. Golden Deer however was a fantastic first route for me and I associate all of the game's lore with GSS, so it feels like I've lost a part of the game, if you understand what I mean.
I feel so bad for sakurai. He never gets enough respect for making a game with love and care. I find it upsetting when people get mad that ultimate isn’t the most competitive game yet.
What does being competitive even matter? I don't know about you, but I'd much rather play the game for the adventure and story, which is why I'm not a big fan of Sm4sh.
I feel really bad for him as well because he gets all the blame for characters like byleth. Characters who Nintendo made him put in for promotion. He has no control over dlc characters for the game. Anyone who says he gets a list of characters that he picks from is wrong. He said multiple times that Nintendo pick the characters and in the Steve presentation said how the process works. If sakurai could pick the characters then I could easily see some of the fighters pass characters being replaced with others
@@thesupershinymegagengar2034 You are playing a multiplayer focused fighting game, for the story? Yea, in that case, I can see why you don’t like Smash. Cause imo, that’s the worst part of the smash games.
@@Danewd98sChannelgaming I thought laggy matches,smash community and spamers were the worst part of Smash. The spamers maybe are annoying ratter than worst.
The thing I hate the most, was when F3h came out and I told my friend "If dante isn't in smash then I'll play Byleth".....now here I am going to become a byleth player
Especially when he literally had no control over the DLC choices, Nintendo chose them all. He just gave the characters movesets. If anything, people should be thanking him for taking this pick, giving them a unique moveset, and making it work.
What pisses me off more is that some of these people are probably the same ones clamoring for Waluigi or Geno even though there are already like 10+ Mario reps. These people don’t deserve anything good in life.
DrPeePeePooPoo "yeah but ever Fire Emblem rep isn't a goofy cartoon character" Different people, different tastes. Doesn't warrant sending death threats
Somethingsuperbland Ulimate added 1 and a half FE reps. And Byleth I feel like with their moveset and being from what’s basically the second Fire Emblem awakening of the series, deserves a slot...Now Chrom as much as I love him is a different story.
Somethingsuperbland I don’t feel like that’s a valid comparison as weight is well..weight. Weight can break something, but Byleth being in the game didn’t really “Break” anything so to speak. That is fair, although I do disagree. I really don’t think having them end the last pass was all too great but if they were the second in Fighter pass 2 would have been perfect. And by that same logic of weight, why do people still want Waluigi or another Pokémon? They have equal than or greater weight than the FE characters. I know they’re gonna add a Pokémon from Gen 8 somewhere in the fighters pass. I don’t necessarily think they should wait until the next game to add them. I don’t particularly want them but still. Last thing, I have seen a lot of FE in smash debates but I have yet to meet someone that isn’t satisfied with the number of reps they have. It’s more of what matters more being the gameplay that matters more to fans of the series as most of them use swords and most people would like a rep to another class and Or aspect of FE like a Pegasus rider. So what are you on about?
Somethingsuperbland By That same logic though to be fair, Dream picks can be added in the next game but I do see your point. And so they should just be passed because they’re more popular? I see some merit in that argument but it’s clear favoritism for absolutely no reason aside from “I know them.” If we are going for pure numbers and data, A great point against them also works for them as most of them are echos and take significantly less time over someone like Rosilina and Luma, but even so I think if people really don’t like the amount of FE characters, then the amount of Mario characters should be reduced as well. Mario I don’t think has had a character removed at any point in smash. And if you include the spin off characters has some of the most. And I can’t fully disagree? I haven’t been an FE fan for the longest time since I started on awakening but Hector uses an Axe and Lyn uses a sword and bow, but Lyn uses a long sword so could in theory could be a very unique character while also acting as a “face” character as they are one of the most popular FE characters in ANY game. It’s not that they want more, it’s that they’d rather have better representation which I feel like is reasonable.
Somethingsuperbland It is proven that some resources from Smash4 were taken into ultimate, absolutely not all but some. Robin’s final smash is probably one of them. And although you are right, even Echoes take work, arguing that they get an amiibo and everything is just kind of semantics because that is the standard of every fighter echo or not. Every character even alternate costumes get different voice lines and spirits, and in the case of Smash4 dlc they even got the P2 Amiibo(R.I.P.). All the Echoes are really just an “Eh, why not?” Kind of choice. And I do agree that they are obviously representation. I think Chrom is more of a sad offender if anything. People wanted him and all yeah, but it IS admittedly stupid that Awakening Alone(despite being one of the most popular its crazy) has THREE. If I were to make equivalents to those with FE using my knowledge. Mario is Marth obviously because they are both the face respectively. Roy is Luigi for similar enough reasons that I don’t know a lot of details of. Ike I don’t feel like has a direct equivalent but he’s a heavy sword fighter that brings a far different game from the others so Bowser? Lucina is another one without a direct equivalent but I’d say Chrom and her would be equivalent to plant on a much lesser degree, since they show how iconic Awakening was and it literately SAVED the franchise. Robin is Rosalina, only appeared once or twice in a main line game but both games left such an impact from their games that they are more than likely to be recognized by people who have never played their specific games. Corrin and Byleth are tricky and I don’t think they have an equivalent at all. But Fates basically tried and failed to recreate the spark from Awakening and failed for the most part but failed in many people’s eyes so take that for what you will. My point is, you can make similar arguments for literarily any franchise. Honestly I think it’s pretty crazy that any franchise has 8 characters or more, but “Everyone is here” therefore every rep from every franchise “is here” so it makes sense for so many of them for both Mario and FE. It is also in an inevitable spot for its characters to not be as iconic as series like Mario or sonic as the games has changed SO much over the years and almost every game has a new cast of characters. And I completely agree with your last point.
This is VERY true!! How did I not pick up on this. Every single new installment adds characters and lore to the series. Using the FE logic, we could have had Waddle Dee, Susie, Taranza and Magolor by now. Ergo... it's not a one to one comparison.
@@emblemblade9245 Read +Nf4 Industries comment. Every new character isn't "side" - it literally adds to the lore. Super Kirby Clash, a side game, even adds to the damn lore. Seriously. It's that big.
But Kirby is not about the lore. It’s about Kirby doing his platforming and going up against various bosses. The lore is just a reward for the hardcore fans.
@@jerichozorua999 corrin and robin are clones of marth? Seriously though, even Ike doesn't play like marth. Or should ganondorf and the links also join the list of swordies? :P
they talked much about echos, but aside from actually "name them" they didn't do much with it. sure, i get more than most the work that goes behind making every single animation and effect, but would we REALLY be offended that much by a shovelknight-skin for metanight, an X-ray (custom robo) for megaman or even, if we want to do a reverse-orgin, a kamen rider 1 for falcon?
is it insane that at least eight of the mario reps have been in at least 5 games all together? mario, luigi, peach, bowser, yoshi, DK, rosalina, daisy. all of these characters have been in countless games, and more games than one. sure awakening has 3 reps, but mario has a bunch more, who had multiple games that are all shit in comparison to FE awakening
Fun Fact: Byleth was the fifth most wanted DLC fighter in Japan, only behind Monster Hunter in fourth, Dante (DMC) in third, Sora in second, and Lloyd in first. So the complaint that no one wanted Byleth is pretty irrelevant, since Japan would disagree.
@@L337playing I think it's that Character Poll results ranging from Japan, Europe and America that originated on Reddit, it's also the same image that had a Gundam and Sephiroth as one of the top 10 characters Japan wanted to see.
Well that's just japan. Pretty much almost everybody in the west didn't know who this chacter was. Its ok to get representation from games from other countries but having said game take up more than a 10th of the roster when the first fe game wasn't even aviable to the west is ridiculous
@@epicninjasenseidinosaurpup6957 It was a fairly popular game. I hadn't played Three houses, but I knew who Byleth was when the trailer dropped. Also there are 85 characters in Smash, I think, so 8 FE characters is less than 1/10th.
I mean saying you hope there’s no hard feelings to someone before punching them doesn’t mean there won’t be hard feelings. This was a stupid comparison I just made. Lmao
...Don't do that. Don't give me hope. (I REALLY want Cordelia in Smash. Especially since she can go Sword, Magic or Lance thanks to Mercenary, Dark Flier and Falcon Knight.)
@@brendanrisney2449 Meh. If you follow actual game mechanics, all the current characters would be able to one-shot them. (Falchion does bonus damage to Dragons.)
“If Byleth was the 1st character of challenger pack 2 do you think people would buy it as much” Min Min:... THIS COMMENT IS A JOKE, IM TIRED OF SEEING REPLIES SAYING, “OH I LIKED BYLETH/ MIN MIN YOU’RE WRONG”.
@@RK-zc6gj 4...from one game? Yep, you definitely don't play any of the fire emblem games if you think that. Max is 3, and it saved the damn franchise. And is loved in Japan as much as any other series like pokemon, zelda, and mario. It deserves spots because Sakurai and japan said so, simple as that.
@@BunMangViet thats the point. People were complaining that he went the "Wrong" Black Eagle route (even though it was a blind playtroguh) so he didn't uploaded more and decided to play the game alone
I was thinking he meant in terms of movesets. Melee was just Captain Falcon, Brawl gave him Flame Choke, and Ultimate let him use his sword for his smash attacks.
Levi Maxwell I know right? How could someone say something like when the 4th main character (Bandana Dee) and the series’ most reoccurring villain (Dark Matter) aren’t playable yet?
Kutlwano Ndlovu I think if they were going to add any Kirby character, it would be bandana waddle dee, because Marx is already a boss in world of light and classic mode
The problem isn't Byleth, it's the ones who came before Byleth. I agree with this so much. Byleth themself is really cool and I can't wait to play them. It was just the amount of Fire Emblems characters the made it mediocre.
Sakurai isn't a god, if he is a god, he would've prevented six other FEcharacters from appearing in smash. Sakurai is perfect however, as he made byleth that rendered the other six obsolete to play as.
- « Too many swordsmen out there? » said Sothis. You don't say! This is my main complain about Fire Emblem characters. I don't care about the number, but they all feel the same: blue haired characters with swords, blue clothes and no personnalities. Hopefully, Corrin and Robbin are little different, but they still do not have personnalities, and they have swords! I am pretty sure if we had Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude with unique gameplay all at once instead of Byleth, there will be not such downvoting. Mostly because Byleth is a blue haired swordman with blue clothes and no personnality, and the 3 above aren't (even Dimitri). Plus: Byleth popularity is rather average in FE:3H, contrary to the 3 houses leaders. I dream for a new roster like this: • Edelgard: Axe & Shield. Sturdy and deadly, but slow. Could even have Hector as echo fighter. • Dimitri: Lance & Sword: quick and versatile, but lightweight. Could even have Lyn as echo fighter. • Claude: Bow & Wyvern: high mobility and good projectile, but limited option in close range. • Swordsmen: Make your choice between all those. Even if I like Roy a lot, Lucina and Ike are the best guesses if we are limited to 2. • Robin and Corrin: because they have unique gameplay. Well, we end up with 9 FE characters in the end (Edelgard, (Hector), Dimitri, (Lyn), Claude, Lucina, Ike, Robin and Corrin) instead of 8 (Marth, (Lucina), 'Roy', (Chrom), Ike, Robin, Corrin and Byleth).
No Spirits; no original game artwork for Fighter Spirit; the Chocobo hat was even taken away. The third party Mii costumes ARE coming back two at a time, except for alongside Hero which would have been the time to bring back Chocobo and Geno..
@@bdeink I don't think they sound bad at all. They used the orchestra version of Adventure in the reveal trailer but it was alongside CGI so it went well with the more cinematic footage. In actual gameplay I think the MIDIs are just fine.
2:40 "Look at Cloud's skins" Bro look at his songs Also your idea for Byleth's weapon swapping is what I was thinking, but instead similar to how pokemon trainer works.
For Pokémon Trainer I’ve always wanted them to use the left and right taunts to switch to either the previous Pokémon or the next one respectively and be able to use that mechanic in the air so charizard can get rock smash back and squirtle and ivysaur could have their own down b moves
@@awesauce1 i feel like having a character with a sword that *literally* covers the whole stage would not be received well i like the idea of tifa being in the game, but part of me thinks she would just be faster little mac. so little mac but better
Sonic Fans are the most oppressed minority in the entire world. In this essay I will, (edit; I realized after posting this that my comment might sound sarcastic but it genuinely isn't)
So, I always liked byleth and all. But I would've loved the character in smash if they played into more of them being a teacher leading their students. Like, I would've loved to see Byleth's smash attacks have her call on Edelgard, Claude, and Dimitri to attack with their respective weapons. But that's just me :)
Pause on Fire Emblem. Some people really be forgetting that Dante has the same creator as Bayonetta. And that Bayonetta was at one point considered a Spiritual Successor to Devil May Cry in gameplay. Now the point I'm getting at is: Dante would have been Sword-Bayonetta. Bayonetta's Echo, they share many many similarities in gameplay.
@@firstcooommment3675 "sword bayonetta" yeah no, dante's moveset would be different because for starters, he wouldn't get a counter, and second dante would have a gimmick, that being if you don't vary up the moves, you get less damage, but if you vary them up he gets a boost in damage for those attacks. As well as sword changes the moveset SO MUCH (jab, aerials, smashes, tilts, and pummel, hell maybe even the specials are changed because of sword, which they already are going to be different.) So you can't really compare them.
@@anidiot192 Just comparing the animations of each character in the roster, they seem the closest. Due to Dante being a speedy, damage dealer that doesn't rely on a few moves but "the entire kitchen sink". And eventually no one besides Bayonetta has stylistic animations that matches Dante's flashy and fast style like in his games. For instance: both of them would use rapid attacks based on combos from their original games. They both use guns, slow exaggerated heavy attacks(launchers, air spikes,etc), magic, and transformations. For regular attacks, whereas Bayonetta uses Melee punches, and adds in magic. Dante would instead use his sword mixed in with Melee attacks. It wouldn't be exact, and many things will be different. But the weight of the attacks/the animations would be pretty similar. Just imagine his Marvel vs Capcom version, everything he does in there could be converted into a fast character like Bayonetta(if anyone).
Jog Swanson No counter: Dante has Royal Guard and Quicksilver so getting a counter rolled in would be very easy. Not probable for another Witch Time, but it’s not insane. Losing damage from no variety: that’s called stale moves in Smash. So the gimmick might be more his styles and weapon pool, though they shafted Bayo’s weapon pool so they’d have to do the same for time constraints. Smash Ultimate also tries to stay pretty true to the character’s origins. Terry, Joker, and even Banjo are prime examples of that. Mechanics being in line with their main games. And when you get into the nuts of DMC, Dante and Bayonetta play very similar. Stinger is Bayo’s grounded heel-slide, easy ground combo game to launcher into the air, then the same air combo game as Bayo, but more vertical than horizontal. And I can see him being WORSE because his down-B could be Royal Guard that turns into Devil Trigger like Joker’s Arcen. So you’d have a sword character with access to Bayo’s combo game, Marth or Cloud’s disjoints, maybe different styles or weapons like Shulk’s Monado, and Joker’s Arcen meter. Even if Devil Trigger is his final smash, that’s still at least 2 different things Smash players hate. And if his playstyle doesn’t match the game, Sakurai would get a fucking storm of hate from the community he’s trying to include. So that combo game is almost necessary if they want Dante in.
i'm going to quote a friend here: "so you can see this from two perspectives: either we have too many fire emblem characters or to little from other franchises."
I feel bad when Sakurai releases a new character and people end up hating it and they end up posting hate about Sakurai on Twitter. I can just imagine him sitting in his office getting sadder and sadder reading all the hate posts about his hard work. 😭😢
6:47 "Mario is about mario" "Pokemon is about Pokemon" Me: Oh so does that mean The Legend of Zelda is about Zel- Majora's mask and Phantom Hourglass: No
Well your not wrong about the Majora’s mask part, but you are definitely wrong about Phantom Hourglass. As Phantom Hourglass was the sequel to Wind Waker, and Tetra is literally Zelda in both Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass. While in Spirit Tracks the Princess Zelda is the granddaughter of Tetra & Link from Wind Waker & Phantom Hourglass
@@goldengreenie9672 i know tetra and zelda are the same person but i just assumed Zelda never actually becane zelda and just stayed as tetra. also i thought zelda in spirit tracks was the ghost of zelda from wind waker?
@@goldengreenie9672 *in my last comment i meant to say i assumed Tetra in phantom hourglass never became zelda, only transforming into zelda in wind waker, but i did not know that about zelda from spirit tracks
@@thebenjcrew There are four routes, and it's not exactly hidden. If you played all three houses then it will be immideatly obvious where that fourth route is.
The real conspiracy is that the DLC pack started and ended with Cassandra Lee Morris because she's secretly the "Nintendo Stakeholders" Sakurai mentioned.
I think what he meant by that is they shouldn't have been there to begin with, like, never revealed ever. (Ex: Lucina in smash 4, shouldve never happened)
@@andrewkrebs5608 Lucina I 100% agree with. I was against that since day one. But Robin and Corrin both have totally unique styles, so I was all for that.
@@andrewkrebs5608 Honestly I really don't care what happens now or who else gets in as part of Fighter Pass 2, as long as KOS-MOS is one of them (would be awesome if it was like Robin and Corrin and we got KOS-MOS/T-elos.)
I would argue that every FE character we have either does serve a purpose or has no reason NOT to be there. Marth is of course the face of the entire series. His fighting style of keeping his opponents at the right distance and hitting them with the tip of his sword is a genius way to transition the gameplay of a tactical RPG into a fighting game. It represents the strategy of patiently picking off your enemies one by one while minimizing risks by staying out of range of enemy attacks. On the contrary, Roy when introduced in Melee represented an alternative, more aggressive playstyle. It still represented tactical positioning, but his attacks were stronger at the base of the sword rather than the tip. He seems to represent the idea of simply brute forcing strong opponents in FE by attacking them head-on with your own strong units. That may be a bit of a stretch, but let's not forget that he was a clone in Melee. He doesn't really need any justification for being there. He was brought back in SB4 simply by popular demand. So, even though I would say the aspects he represented before don't really hold up now, it can't be argued that it was Smash fans who wanted him back in the first place. And they did take the extra effort to ensure Roy wasn't just a clone again. Ike was able to take the ideas conveyed by Roy and apply them in a much more obvious way, using a heavy sword to crush his enemies. At the time of his inclusion, no other swordfighter fought like this and even now the only one who comes close is Ganondorf with his forward smash. Robin was a perfect opportunity to represent weapon types outside of just swords. Using Robin, they were finally able to include a protagonist that specialized in magic. Granted, in my opinion they did a pretty poor job of this by also choosing to have him represent inventory management and weapon degredation of all things, but it was still a respectable decision to include. Lucina, as an echo, doesn't need any justification. It's worth noting though that she was originally planned to just be an alt for Marth before it was decided to change her sword to remove the sweetspot mechanic of Marth so that she could serve as an easier to master version of Marth. She also represents one of the unique aspects of Awakening: The time-traveling children from a doomed future. Corrin was a perfect opportunity to represent another new weapon type: Dragonstones. Granted, I do think a more timeless choice to represent this probably would have been Tiki as she is a recurring character and a very popular one at that, but with Fates right around the corner at the time, I really don't think Corrin was as out of place as everyone makes him out to be. He had a ton of unique moveset potential unlike anything any other FE protagonist could exhibit. You can't blame Sakurai for wanting to include him. Once again, Chrom being an echo means he needs little justification. However, he was a very highly requested character during development of SB4 (even if only because of the gematsu leak). From what I understand, Sakurai had considered including him in SB4 as an Ike echo as well. Between that and fan demand, Chrom's inclusion kinda just feels like "eh, why not?" And why not indeed, as even among echo fighters Chrom is the most unique pulling from two different movesets rather than exclusively Roy's. Up until this point, there has always been something major missing from Fire Emblem representation in smash: The weapon triangle. A major mechanic in FE games is the rock-paper-scissors relationship between swords, lances, and axes. I always felt like it was a missed opportunity that Chrom and Lucina weren't given a lance in reference to their Great Lord class being able to use lances, but they were instead included as echoes, and including them as original characters and having their movesets built around a lance rather than their signature swords would feel unnatural. But that brings us to Byleth who, while from an FE game that quite surprisingly did away with the weapon triangle, is also from a game in which any character of any class can use any weapon type. Many people have argued we should have gotten one of the house leaders, the most popular suggestion seems to be Edelgard. Unfortunately, I just don't think it's really fair to include one house leader over the others. They all hold equal importance to the story of Three Houses. This is the same reason I don't think Sakurai would have chosen any of the champions from Breath of the Wild, either. The only time Sakurai has ever chosen among a trio of characters were starter pokemon. I don't think the intention there was to represent the starters specifically but just to choose a pokemon from the latest generation, the most suited designs chosen by Sakurai just happen to usually be starters. Regardless, I think Byleth was the best solution to this whole dilemma. The Sword of the Creator is a very unique weapon type. Yes, it is a sword, but I'm shocked by how many people overlook the fact that the "sword" is more like a whip than anything else. That alone I think is pretty freaking awesome. Beyond that, the inclusion of the Hero's Relics of each of the house leaders allows for representation of not only the entire weapon triangle in one character, but also allows each of the house leaders to be represented spiritually through Byleth, the face of the game as a whole. Byleth, being a professor, trains in a variety of weapon types to teach his students properly. For this reason, he is a perfect fit to represent the variety of weapon types Fire Emblem has to offer. I really think people are far more angry about "too many FE reps!" than they should be. Excluding echoes, the franchise has 6 reps. That's still less than Mario and Pokemon and equal to Legend of Zelda. At the end of the day, Smash isn't about the number of reps each game deserves, it's about representing each game as well as they possibly can. As long as a franchise is contributing new ideas, Smash is going to continue adding new characters.
@@agipson101 Pokemon from gen 1 are mostly available in every other pokemon game, not like fire emblem where there are characters that stay around for 1 game then are just never seen again.
Someone else was pointing out that Fire Emblem games usually have around 30-40 playable characters and there's a different roster for all sixteen games. They could have easily found characters within the series that had way different playstyles if they didn't mostly just use the protagonists from the more popular ones. In a way, if you were to judge by percentage of characters, Fire Emblem is actually under represented.
Agree. That's why I love the games. Its focused so much on trying to make these likeable characters. Three Houses did the best job. I fell in love with my students in Blue Lions. And then when they die you actually freak out cause you don't want to lose them. Its rather interesting from a psychological perspective Also great profile pic and name :D
Ehhh, he's right, but also Smash has somehow ended up with some of the weakest characters in the franchise in its roster so it's not a terribly helpful argument. Seriously, we have Corrin. Not even Fire Emblem fans like Corrin
@@arachnofiend2859 Didn't they start development of Corrin before Fates came out? If so I can see why that would happen. If not just oblivious. Then again. We also aren't Japanese... my mind is going too deep
> be me > want karate joe in smash > get Marth's 10th cousin instead > play Byleth as a joke > realize i'm pretty good at them >main Byleth *thank you Byleth*
@@CheerioCheerio 3 Links certainly isn't ideal, but there are basically 4 Marths, 2 rep the same game, 1 being a promotional stunt; then you've got 2 more promotional FE characters that cost more money to buy with Corrin and Byleth (FE:3H DLC). The Links at least all rep different games, and none of them are promo characters (*maybe* BotW2) nor do they cost extra money.
@Justin Justin7 : true @Falcón 21 : i'm not defending it at all. I think Byleth is stupid and there are a ton of better characters. I just wanted to point out that a lot of the complaining smash fans only bring up the amount of FE characters because they are kind of biased. By the way, My wishlist for DLC characters, outside the obvious wishes like Master Chief, include: Lara Croft, Sailor Moon, Ninja Turtles, Garurumon (Digimon), Black Magician (Yu-Gi-Oh) and Darth Vader. Some of them are crazy and unrealistic, but all would have an amazing move-set and would be awesome, just because of the cooperation with nintendo. And of course Untitled Goose as an assist trophy!
I think Byleth's moveset is a pretty great representation of Three Houses, actually, because you can equip all those weapons at once and switch between them whenever you want regardless of your class.
I would have preferred all three house leaders, interchangeable like Pokemon Trainer's Squirtle/Ivy/Charizard or old-school Zelda/Sheik. It would have been way better of a rep of 3H than yet another self-insert protag devoid of much personality beyond stern looking and serious.
@@GaminexPro Robin has a personality though. Corrin is also FAR from serious or stern in their game. And Byleth canonically has a reason to be unemotional and detached. But that's spoilers so
@@kryzethx Look at how any of these characters act and behave in Smash and you'll be hard pressed to identify their "character". Byleth not only has LESS voicework and dialogue compared to Corrin and Robin in 3H, but so much less expression and boring supports that it is especially moreso a problem for them than Robin and Corrin.
I don’t care who joins, at the end of the day it’s smash. Smash Is meant to be a big fight game. The character selection screen gonna look a rainbow. Hell add igglybuff for all I care, more the merrier.
The typical Smash fan is upset an FE character got added. Standard/older FE fans wish someone else was added (i.e. Lyn). Fans of 3H are sad that God Shattering Star isn't here. Hopefully we'll get a Felix Swordfighter skin or something that it will come with, like Megalovania or Floral Fury with Sans and Cuphead.
@@squatch1565 honestly, lyn would add nothing to the roster. fast but frail characters have been done before and her weapon of choice would doom her from the start. i would much rather have a character who is known for a different weapon, like hector or ephraim. lyn is fine as an assist trophy
I keep saying if Banjo and Byleth's spots on the Fighters pass were switched it would have been different. Ending on a Fire Emblem rep was a pretty bad move, even if the character is good.
It doesn't help that Byleth is a horrible "character" who's hated even by Fire Emblem fans for not actually being a character & for dragging down all the other Three Houses characters. It also doesn't help that Sothis is hated for the same reasons.
now that i can say is a legit arguement. but, considering what was added before this new fe rep, and what will be after. sakurai spoils us. and we still act like entitled children.
I would've been a little upset if Banjo was last just because Banjo is such a base-game feeling character. There isn't really anything wild to Banjo besides the limited-use side-b which in all honesty, I dislike very much. It just makes me not want to use Side-B at all until I'm at like 100% because I know I'm about to die. I feel Byleth at least has something neat with their moveset being powerful and having a long range. Almost glass cannon like. I feel like I need personal time with Byleth but so far they look fun as hell and I can't wait for them to drop.
@@matthhiasbrownanonionchopp3471 Yes, and important enough that in the original Japanese version you could straight up skip it if you didn't want to play through it.
I would love anna. She's in every game and a big part of the series. Funnily enough I don't think some people would even recognize she's an FE character until the end of the trailer.
4:47 "The problem isn't Byleth, but rather the characters that come before Byleth". Thank you for pointing this out. It's something that fans should know. Byleth deserved their spot and was one of the more sensible FE picks since Robin.
Twilitblack I dont care, I just dont want anymore fire emblem characters. Give me something different, like a new sonic character or something like a new xenoblade character. Fire emblem has too many representatives.
it's actually kinda depressing for me how these days the fire emblem characters in smash are basically acting as a gateway for people who have never played fire emblem to start hating the series
Corrin and the premise of Fates was the reason I decided to give Fire Emblem a try, and I'm very glad I did. Unfortunately, not everyone is so open minded.
Garrett Seno idk something about having a thing being constantly being shoved in your face tend to annoy people even if you like the thing. Like I like fire emblem and all but having all these fire emblem character being shoved in my face makes me wish fire emblem was this popular.
I love Fire Emblem. It’s my favorite franchise in video games and I’ll never get tired of playing it. That being said, I completely agree with you that the cast in smash should be cut in half. I’d say keep Marth, Ike, Robin, Corrin, and Byleth. With the amount of character there are, I don’t think they deserve an echo spot. Those five are unique enough to be the fire emblem reps of smash imo
I mean "Echo Spot" doesn't really make sense as an argument. The point of an echo is to differentiate their playstyle and add a bit of fanservice using minimal resources. They don't really take up a "slot", they just get added if the creators feel they can or should, and I much prefer Chrom and Lucina who play very differently to Roy and Marth than Samus and Dark Samus or Peach and Daisy, who play identically to each other.
When I played the old ones (FE3), I was not about the characters, but the classes. That's where Smash gets it wrong. There are so many classes, but all we get is the latest Marth. Keep Mercenary (Ike) and Mage, but add Pegasus Knight, and Heavy Knight. I'm serious about those last two, it would've been sick.
Yeah. I agree with him that Awakening has too many characters, but I don't think we have to cut the roster down to make the roster better. I think Corrin, Chrom, and Lucina should be cut or become costumes. Then their spots can go to 3 other fire emblem characters with axes, bows, and lances.
I think most people assumed Byleth switched weapons like Monado arts. Then when we found out it was just different moves, so people were disappointed all over again.
U know how much cooler that woulda been? Press b to switch between bow, axe, sword or lance. tilts/aerial/specials would be different 4 each one? Ok. That might be a ton of work, but still...
Well clearly, Sakurai is testing us. The first fighter pack represents everything Smash players hate. Joker: Damage Based Mechanics Hero: RNG Banjo and Kazooie: Invincibility Terry: Combos Byleth: Fire Emblem
You honestly summarized my thoughts on this situation to a T. I wholeheartedly agree, and thank you for acknowledging the weaknesses of the choice, yet also being a voice of reason, and not of toxicity, anger, and war.
Everyone: We're tired of so many FE reps in Smash Byleth Fans: lmao hoes mad Alpharad: I think the problem is that there are too many FE characters Byleth Fans: Well I guess he's got a point
Honestly FE hate that fact too. We didn't ask for all of this representation, nobody wanted 4 Marth's but the reason why FE fans even the ones who didn't want Byleth are popping off is because of the amount of hate the series gets for something that the fans and creators have nothing to do with.
I don't even inherently have a problem with it, and I've never played a Fire Emblem game, it's just that they have as much representation as Donkey Kong and Zelda combined!!!
It's really stupid that Three Houses went from the highest rated Switch game of 2019 to the most hated because of Byleth's inclusion in Smash. Like, if you don't like the game, that's fine, but if you're retroactively changing your opinion on a game because of something that happened in a completely different game, then you seriously need to rethink your standards.
@Panda BubbleTea almost every call of duty is critically acclaimed, even fortnite is critically acclaimed that means they are good games... critics don't really decide if someting is good or bad
@@suicidalloafofbread2009 No, but there is a very simple way of knowing if a game is objectively good outside of your personal opinion. for example if you ask about god of war 4, red dead redemptiom 1 and 2, zelda breath of the wild, shadow of the colossus, final fantasy 6, 7 and 9, etc ... 90% of people will tell you that these are really good games, the other 10% or they did not play them or they do not belong to genres that they like. if you ask most of the players about fe 25% will tell you that they are ok 25% will tell you that they are horrible, 40% have never played it or are not interested and 10% are fanboys who talk about how wonderful they are there is how much you can give a final verdict ... an example would be half life 2 to me it seems like fucking shit but 90% will tell you that it is a masterpiece and if you analyze it you can see why people believe it indifferently of what I think. I have played almost every fe and I have talked about them with many people and honestly it is hardly a regular franchise ... that sells well just like assassins creed
High Definition I don’t really like how people use the word “entitled” when talking about things like this. We’re not getting these characters for free. We’re paying for them. We don’t owe Nintendo anything just because they’re making DLC characters. They aren’t doing us a favor, this is a transaction.
This is exactly how I feel about this DLC I'm not upset just a bit disappointed with the total outcome of it but hey!! More rule34 to go around I guess
I also really wanted Byleth, but I too agree with a lot about this video. I feel like Byleth is a sour spot in the community, and I only wish that the execution of their reveal and moveset was handled better. It is what it is, and while I’m excited to play them I can’t help but feel a little disappointment in one of my all tome favorite franchises.
The moveset is the only thing good about the ordeal, because it actually represents the weapon triangle and it's a breakthrough from the overused sword user format. I'm angry not because of Byleth took the last spot, but because it took the franchise SIX CHARACTERS to start getting experimental. You can rant about his inclusion, his alt or even his stage, BUT NO ONE CAN CRITICIZE THE MOVESET BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS SAKURAI'S PROFESSIONALISM AND HIS WILLINGNESS TO MAKE THE BEST OUT OF A BAD SITUATION!
Well, after all four previous dlc characters, people start to tend dlc as "updating a new character that has unique moves and comes from a third-party franchise that suppose'nt to be in smash". They've been brainwashed by themselves
I think a fighter that would be called “Three Houses” would a be a pokemon-trainer esque fighter with Edelgard, Claude, and Dimitri, with different move sets and switching via down b
Hey, I saw someone said Byleth is an Ivysaur main just cus of his recovery. Pretty sure the toxicity will be larger if this is the case (Even tho thats a really heckin cool idea)
well said but i still think ronald mcdonald was robbed of a spot
RONALD 4 SMASH 69 DLC
That’s why they’re adding a 6th challenger pack so this doesn’t happen again.
Don’t worry, he’ll be joining the roster soon enough.
*waluigi stares at you with a snide look*
well said but i still think minecraft steve was robbed of a spot
Remember everyone:
Smash Bros started when Mario and friends were out together, and Mario suddenly decided to kick Yoshi in the leg.
tell me,how to go back in time and stop Mario from kicking Yoshi's leg.
now it's smash emblem
I mean people played fire emblem three houses because they like the series or they like koei tecmos other games.
people complain about Yoshi,only to realize all of mario and smash is about Mario abusing the fuck out of the dinosaur with friends
@@blyat8832 Mario: hey Yoshi use your tongue
Yoshi: no-
Mario: *punches Yoshi in the back of the head*
"I cannot fit 2 million people in my house."
Then get three houses. *Quickly exits stage right*
Also a basement
*slow clap*
And a Church
*laugh track sounds*
*Uses JonTron’s voice:* I get it!
I D O N T G E T I T
People are saying to fire sakurai
Damn that must be the worst smash timeline i ever imagine
Sauce exactly, how dare they add another fire emblem character when people won’t shut up about Geno when there are enough Mario reps. Especially when fe is incredibly popular here in the western world. Such hypocrisy
@@ugp0978 Honestly, I am surprised by the fact that all that hate wasn't thrown toward the Piranha Plant. I mean Sakurai put a freaking Piranha Plant of all things in the roster, for God's sake!
The Super Shiny Mega Gengar I mean he’s an interesting addition and I find him one of the funnest characters to play. People probably didn’t hate on him just because he’s a Mario rep. But what they don’t understand is that fire emblem is a wildly popular franchise here in the west and actually needs reps more than other franchises.
HOOOOO BUDDY IT GETS WORSE
Those people are jumping the gun harder than Mario jumps on turtles.
Imagine if Byleth was the free dlc character and Piranha plant was the last one. I’m curious how that would have turned out.
I would think people would be LESS mad? Because at least you can JOKE about Pirahna Plant in Smash. But his kit is also kind of boring, so he'd be forgotten in a week anyway
@Paul Jakens Yeah but not as salty. Because there's a few who would mention how much Ultimate lacks a new WTF character. Someone no one (or all but one) ever expected to see make it into Smash.
Wraith Bro Plant is not boring. He's got so many unique moves by virtue of not being humanoid.
Seriously would’ve been a surprised
And when would Byleth be released then? over 9 months before the game itself released?
"Look at Cloud's skins for chrissakes"
His skins? How bout we talk about the amount of tracks he got!?
Jimmy Patel wait he has tracks?
Right, heh, all 1 tracks.
We could've had One Winged Angel but nooo. SE didnt let us
4nando 2 or ffv battle 1
And the one Spirit and the artwork isn't even from his original game it's the Smash artwork.
6:20 "Legend of Zelda is a game about items, and using your items to your advantage"
_Here, we see Link, as he advantageously uses this steel platform to forever end his suffering._
Ah yes. The wild Link, in it's natural habitat.
Saw that, wanted to make such a comment but i am glad you executed my thought so well.
Only to be reincarnated again again... and suffer for eternity...
@@jramirez4310 Even Thanos can't end his suffering.
I'm surprised a lot of people has the same comments about this dumb clip, small brains are easily amused and distracted it seems hmmmmmmmmmmm
I like how it says “Corrin Chooses to Smash”
Well... may as well go for what the fandom draws.
Corrin: Stares at Camilla
@@solarflare3752 they're related, stop
@@cjlite0210 Corrin’s adopted
@@cjlite0210 not blood related
"imagine witch time but worse"
next character reveal: adds sakuya
*Dio
A man can hope.
"KONO DIO DA"
God, I'd pay so much for them to add Sakuya. Absolute dream here
@@ChampZGameplays Cute Touhou girl factor aside, Sakuya would actually make for a pretty interesting moveset, kinda like what she's like in modded Rivals.
I really like this “Let’s Talk about” format. love to see more of that. Totally agree with the move set idea as well.
to add to this, what if byleth only had one special, up b. instead, the others would switch between weapons and offer new movesets. It wouldn't be like monado arts being a jack of all trades, master of none, character fits byleth perfectly.
so you could have 3 inputs for left, right and down, no matter which way you're facing. pressing neutral b would return to the sword and yeah, thanks for listening to my ted talk
It's like a Dunkview, but for Alpharad.
ImFxrr I’d think the opposite would almost be more suiting. I.e., aerials for Bow, Sword jab, Lance Tilts, Smash Attacks for the Axes. Special moves then change based on which weapon is out, allowing for 16 specials (which isn’t that different from Hero).
YOU’LL GET YOUR LYN WHEN YOU FIX THIS DAMN DOOR
That is not Jacob. He is good boy.
Byleth time
“Where’s my Lyn, Sakurai?”
FUCK LYN I WANT HECTOR! (and ephraim cause fe8 was the first game i played and even to this day its still my favourite)
mad respect for that reference
oh wait i get the joke now.
"Third" party characters
"Three" houses
*Huh, something's wrong, I can feel it*
So it should’ve been Claude as he’s the leader of the third house and golden deer also happens to be the party house
:0
So Jimmy Nuetron
i was the 666th like lol
“Joker: essentially has 2 movesets
Hero: 17 different moves for his down special
Terry: 4 moves that nobody else can access
Banjo: Banjo”
-Alpharad
Such anticipation. Banjo-Kazooie were so good, they just need their name to describe
@@BatailleRapTishort no they're just the least unique character in the FP
@@o_oro-q1k
Well, before Byleth, anyway
Not that I disagree, when playing them back during their initial release, all I could really think was "Huh. They're pretty basic."
But at least they're adorable
Byleth's...a character.
Kinda getting tired of bland characters getting genderswap skins in an attempt to make them more interesting [read: capitalizing the thirsty lads who drool over waifus. And I don't mean that in a bad way, because I'm one of those lads]
Unrelated fun fact: There is no unique female sword fighter in Smash. Lucina is the only swordfighter who is female by default, and she's an Echo
Ye banjo like a base roster char
@GranX He’s kidding dumbass
I'm just happy because Kirby gets more moves every DLC Character.
Kirby starts with a gun and ends with a giant bow. Perfection
Jake Townsend lol 😂
And he gets cuter every DLC character too. Long live the poyo!
Wow this man really thinking with the glass half full😂😂😂
Jake Townsend yes Kirby top tier not mid tier.
I think the most upsetting thing about the Direct was that "God-Shattering Star" wasn't on the list of music being put into the game
No Twilight of the Gods, and no God Shattering Star. I shall weep for our losses.
I agree.
But we have The Apex of the World, I mean imagine how epic fighting Byleth Edelgard vs Byleth Dimitri will be
GSS was the first I heard, Opera and Classical Opera is literally my singing genre, and Nemesis was a beast. Overall, Blue Lions favourite route that I resonate wholly with. Golden Deer however was a fantastic first route for me and I associate all of the game's lore with GSS, so it feels like I've lost a part of the game, if you understand what I mean.
especially no Twilight of the Gods, best music of te entire franchise.
I feel so bad for sakurai. He never gets enough respect for making a game with love and care. I find it upsetting when people get mad that ultimate isn’t the most competitive game yet.
What does being competitive even matter? I don't know about you, but I'd much rather play the game for the adventure and story, which is why I'm not a big fan of Sm4sh.
I feel really bad for him as well because he gets all the blame for characters like byleth. Characters who Nintendo made him put in for promotion. He has no control over dlc characters for the game. Anyone who says he gets a list of characters that he picks from is wrong. He said multiple times that Nintendo pick the characters and in the Steve presentation said how the process works. If sakurai could pick the characters then I could easily see some of the fighters pass characters being replaced with others
@@thesupershinymegagengar2034 You are playing a multiplayer focused fighting game, for the story? Yea, in that case, I can see why you don’t like Smash. Cause imo, that’s the worst part of the smash games.
@@Danewd98sChannelgaming Smash 4 was boring, compared to the rest.
@@Danewd98sChannelgaming I thought laggy matches,smash community and spamers were the worst part of Smash. The spamers maybe are annoying ratter than worst.
The thing I hate the most, was when F3h came out and I told my friend "If dante isn't in smash then I'll play Byleth".....now here I am going to become a byleth player
Congrats on the new main.
You got 6 more shots, don't worry anything can happen
Hit hard, huh? Kinda rough.
Well the chances of Dante getting in the next fighter pass are kinda low...
*but never zero ;)*
@Arruda he played himself, and now he's gonna play the game.
And play Byleth.
Sending death threats to a man who was hospitalized due to working so hard on a game, that's just uncool.
Especially when he literally had no control over the DLC choices, Nintendo chose them all. He just gave the characters movesets. If anything, people should be thanking him for taking this pick, giving them a unique moveset, and making it work.
I never knew that. Thank you for telling me.
What pisses me off more is that some of these people are probably the same ones clamoring for Waluigi or Geno even though there are already like 10+ Mario reps. These people don’t deserve anything good in life.
Those people seriously need to get lives if they take the dlc pack that serious
DrPeePeePooPoo "yeah but ever Fire Emblem rep isn't a goofy cartoon character"
Different people, different tastes. Doesn't warrant sending death threats
5:41
He just wants characters for the good boys and girls, he’s doing his best, we don’t need to attack the poor tired man
LeastLikelySuspect more like he's a FE nerd.... but ok
@@DeftestAphid2 this is why Sakurai is blocking you
DeftestAphid2 you are why people hate the smash community
100% agree
@@DeftestAphid2 Cool dude.
Did that make you feel better for yourself?
literally any new smash character **comes out**
Smash fans: "my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined"
Unless it's Minecraft Steve, but that would absolutely never happen right?
RIGHT?!?!
@@JayzeZeddrick dude people are legit losing their shit over that, twitter is literally crying its eyes out rn because steve is in smash
@Supreme Person absolutely
I only have heard incredibly warranted complaints about Byleth
@@indiscreetbeat keep living under that rock, its better there
6:22 “The legend of Zelda is a game about item and using those item for you advantage.”
Also showing Link committing suicide using his magnet.
Not as bad as Arin's playthrough on GameGrumps. He blows himself up more than LowTierGod blows himself up playing Snake in Smash.
Everyone who doesn’t play FE: “Marth Vader has too many clones”
Are they wrong
MegaXProductions Nah champ, too many
MegaXProductions not wrong
It makes sense because he used to have the force grab in melee
look at you waffle smh ;-;
"Imagine Witchtime but worse."
*SEVEN MONTHS LATER*
"DIO rolls in!"
*user will remember this comment
Funny way to say Sakuya from Touhou.
Happy Giorno *_that was the joke you brainless fuck_*
I can't f-cking escape this sh-t. Jojo this. Dio that. I can't stand it at this point. I'm so f-cking tired of this stuff.
GOODBYE JOJOOOO
I feel like people forget that this game is about how "everyone is here!"
FACTSS
Somethingsuperbland Ulimate added 1 and a half FE reps. And Byleth I feel like with their moveset and being from what’s basically the second Fire Emblem awakening of the series, deserves a slot...Now Chrom as much as I love him is a different story.
Somethingsuperbland I don’t feel like that’s a valid comparison as weight is well..weight. Weight can break something, but Byleth being in the game didn’t really “Break” anything so to speak.
That is fair, although I do disagree. I really don’t think having them end the last pass was all too great but if they were the second in Fighter pass 2 would have been perfect. And by that same logic of weight, why do people still want Waluigi or another Pokémon? They have equal than or greater weight than the FE characters. I know they’re gonna add a Pokémon from Gen 8 somewhere in the fighters pass. I don’t necessarily think they should wait until the next game to add them. I don’t particularly want them but still.
Last thing, I have seen a lot of FE in smash debates but I have yet to meet someone that isn’t satisfied with the number of reps they have. It’s more of what matters more being the gameplay that matters more to fans of the series as most of them use swords and most people would like a rep to another class and Or aspect of FE like a Pegasus rider. So what are you on about?
Somethingsuperbland By That same logic though to be fair, Dream picks can be added in the next game but I do see your point.
And so they should just be passed because they’re more popular? I see some merit in that argument but it’s clear favoritism for absolutely no reason aside from “I know them.” If we are going for pure numbers and data, A great point against them also works for them as most of them are echos and take significantly less time over someone like Rosilina and Luma, but even so I think if people really don’t like the amount of FE characters, then the amount of Mario characters should be reduced as well. Mario I don’t think has had a character removed at any point in smash. And if you include the spin off characters has some of the most.
And I can’t fully disagree? I haven’t been an FE fan for the longest time since I started on awakening but Hector uses an Axe and Lyn uses a sword and bow, but Lyn uses a long sword so could in theory could be a very unique character while also acting as a “face” character as they are one of the most popular FE characters in ANY game. It’s not that they want more, it’s that they’d rather have better representation which I feel like is reasonable.
Somethingsuperbland It is proven that some resources from Smash4 were taken into ultimate, absolutely not all but some. Robin’s final smash is probably one of them. And although you are right, even Echoes take work, arguing that they get an amiibo and everything is just kind of semantics because that is the standard of every fighter echo or not. Every character even alternate costumes get different voice lines and spirits, and in the case of Smash4 dlc they even got the P2 Amiibo(R.I.P.). All the Echoes are really just an “Eh, why not?” Kind of choice. And I do agree that they are obviously representation. I think Chrom is more of a sad offender if anything. People wanted him and all yeah, but it IS admittedly stupid that Awakening Alone(despite being one of the most popular its crazy) has THREE.
If I were to make equivalents to those with FE using my knowledge.
Mario is Marth obviously because they are both the face respectively.
Roy is Luigi for similar enough reasons that I don’t know a lot of details of.
Ike I don’t feel like has a direct equivalent but he’s a heavy sword fighter that brings a far different game from the others so Bowser?
Lucina is another one without a direct equivalent but I’d say Chrom and her would be equivalent to plant on a much lesser degree, since they show how iconic Awakening was and it literately SAVED the franchise.
Robin is Rosalina, only appeared once or twice in a main line game but both games left such an impact from their games that they are more than likely to be recognized by people who have never played their specific games.
Corrin and Byleth are tricky and I don’t think they have an equivalent at all. But Fates basically tried and failed to recreate the spark from Awakening and failed for the most part but failed in many people’s eyes so take that for what you will. My point is, you can make similar arguments for literarily any franchise. Honestly I think it’s pretty crazy that any franchise has 8 characters or more, but “Everyone is here” therefore every rep from every franchise “is here” so it makes sense for so many of them for both Mario and FE. It is also in an inevitable spot for its characters to not be as iconic as series like Mario or sonic as the games has changed SO much over the years and almost every game has a new cast of characters.
And I completely agree with your last point.
"Fire Emblem keeps adding characters"
Kirby franchise: [Sweating profusely]
This is VERY true!! How did I not pick up on this. Every single new installment adds characters and lore to the series. Using the FE logic, we could have had Waddle Dee, Susie, Taranza and Magolor by now. Ergo... it's not a one to one comparison.
But those are all side characters. It’s harder to know how enduring their popularity will be
@@emblemblade9245 Read +Nf4 Industries comment.
Every new character isn't "side" - it literally adds to the lore.
Super Kirby Clash, a side game, even adds to the damn lore. Seriously. It's that big.
@@BudsTheAwesome ummm I played all those games. Byleth is a better Smash inclusion than all of them combined.
But Kirby is not about the lore. It’s about Kirby doing his platforming and going up against various bosses. The lore is just a reward for the hardcore fans.
*adds Apex of the World but not God Shattering Star*
“This is fine”
I need my Latin Opera theme!
We need a star in the morning sky, even if it wouldn't fit in. I still want it in smash.
God shattering star is like the best song in FE3H
@@ghosthuntermike2592 technically it’s not a Latin
@@epsilon1372 I forgot, what language is it?
Alpharad: “Two echoes from one series is a bit much.”
Also Alpharad: *wants Medusa as an echo for Palutena*
Reaper Diablo That’s still like half the number Fire Emblem has.
I think Alpharad wants representation more than gameplay. Not justifying but I understand his viewpoint
I think Medusa would play differently than 7 sword swingers who are a clone of Marth
@@jerichozorua999 corrin and robin are clones of marth?
Seriously though, even Ike doesn't play like marth. Or should ganondorf and the links also join the list of swordies? :P
they talked much about echos, but aside from actually "name them" they didn't do much with it.
sure, i get more than most the work that goes behind making every single animation and effect, but would we REALLY be offended that much by a shovelknight-skin for metanight, an X-ray (custom robo) for megaman or even, if we want to do a reverse-orgin, a kamen rider 1 for falcon?
the real injustice is god shattering star not being added as a song
Smash fans didn't deserve it
@@PlayerN101 right
Bitch I think 8 characters is much better than 1 Goddamn Song.
@@PlayerN101 we didn't even deserve advent OWA or halland/dalarna remix or spiral mountain remix
@@squallleonhart9387 no Fire Emblem would be much better represanted by Byleth And God shatering Star
I'm just pissed that theres no God-Shattering Star
That's the bonus about going Crimson Flower first, you don't get disappointed.
I wish they had tempest of seasons
That's the bonus about playing Dmitri's route first, you get the best Act 1 and best final song in smash.
VForceWave don’t forget Between Heaven and Earth
Or Shambala (Area 17)
I’m just disappointed we didn’t get a New “Funky Mode”
):
):
Oof
_it’s time to get funky_
😫
"Is it insane that fire emblem awakening alone has 3 representatives?"
it took me like 10 seconds to remember chrom was also in the game.
You mean Fireless Fire Marth?
is it insane that at least eight of the mario reps have been in at least 5 games all together? mario, luigi, peach, bowser, yoshi, DK, rosalina, daisy. all of these characters have been in countless games, and more games than one. sure awakening has 3 reps, but mario has a bunch more, who had multiple games that are all shit in comparison to FE awakening
No actually roy with a better up special
@@CallieBlader
The first 4 M&Ls, first 3 Paper Marios, and SMRPG would like to have a word with you.
heheHAHA!
Fun Fact: Byleth was the fifth most wanted DLC fighter in Japan, only behind Monster Hunter in fourth, Dante (DMC) in third, Sora in second, and Lloyd in first. So the complaint that no one wanted Byleth is pretty irrelevant, since Japan would disagree.
According to what source?
@@L337playing I think it's that Character Poll results ranging from Japan, Europe and America that originated on Reddit, it's also the same image that had a Gundam and Sephiroth as one of the top 10 characters Japan wanted to see.
Well that's just japan. Pretty much almost everybody in the west didn't know who this chacter was. Its ok to get representation from games from other countries but having said game take up more than a 10th of the roster when the first fe game wasn't even aviable to the west is ridiculous
epic ninja sensei dinosaur puppet
Agreed
@@epicninjasenseidinosaurpup6957 It was a fairly popular game. I hadn't played Three houses, but I knew who Byleth was when the trailer dropped. Also there are 85 characters in Smash, I think, so 8 FE characters is less than 1/10th.
Sakurai: "I hope you don't have any hard feelings."
Smash community: "I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that."
"im offended thats too personal"
I mean saying you hope there’s no hard feelings to someone before punching them doesn’t mean there won’t be hard feelings. This was a stupid comparison I just made. Lmao
Alonzo Tompkins ...Then why make it?
Alonzo Tompkins except it wasn’t a punch, it was a gift, so stop crying and being a Manlet over someone giving you something
Hero2222 because it’s their job and the Smash team’s bosses told them too since they’re trying to advertise a product.
*Divine Pulse Counter*
Character literally freezes.
And then we add Dio to smash
ZA WARUDDOOO
pre-nerfed witch time 2.0
Alpharad: why don't we get an axe user?
Me, an intellectual: *why don't we get a Pegasus Knight?*
...Don't do that. Don't give me hope. (I REALLY want Cordelia in Smash. Especially since she can go Sword, Magic or Lance thanks to Mercenary, Dark Flier and Falcon Knight.)
Wyvern, anybody?
Pegasus Knight, but axe.
They’re too big 🙃
@@brendanrisney2449 Meh. If you follow actual game mechanics, all the current characters would be able to one-shot them. (Falchion does bonus damage to Dragons.)
Kotaro, Shinra Agent Why settle for Cordelia when you could use the far superior Tharja instead?
“If Byleth was the 1st character of challenger pack 2 do you think people would buy it as much”
Min Min:...
THIS COMMENT IS A JOKE, IM TIRED OF SEEING REPLIES SAYING, “OH I LIKED BYLETH/ MIN MIN YOU’RE WRONG”.
Nintendo: YOU NEVER SEE IT COMING.
As much as I’m disappointed with arms being the next dlc fighter, that’s still more interesting than ANOTHER fire emblem character.
Yeah tell me about it 😂😂
Adrian Gomez-Donato eh, fire emblem is not a deserving enough franchise to have 8 god damn reps. 4 from one game.
@@RK-zc6gj 4...from one game? Yep, you definitely don't play any of the fire emblem games if you think that. Max is 3, and it saved the damn franchise. And is loved in Japan as much as any other series like pokemon, zelda, and mario. It deserves spots because Sakurai and japan said so, simple as that.
"byleth is hot so stop being mean"
fair enough
So is terry
I still think Marth is way hotter.
Root Felix Björn traps?
fem byleth is hot sure. but seriously, another fire emblem character this early?! yiiish....
Theres not enough cute leggings in the world for me to stop being mean
"I enjoyed Three Houses"
>Hasn't uploaded part 2 to his Three Houses series in over a year
Pretty sure they did that due to toxicity in the comments
Because people were being toxic that he chose edelgard so in his free time he beat all routes
@@striker9136 Which is funny because he went church route in that playthrough lol.
@@BunMangViet thats the point. People were complaining that he went the "Wrong" Black Eagle route (even though it was a blind playtroguh) so he didn't uploaded more and decided to play the game alone
Yet the game has not even a year....these guys and their maths.
2:40 No, don’t look at Cloud’s skins, look at his music.
Square enix be like that
What Music?
Randomnessios final fantasy has two songs😅
Cloud has music? I thought he came from the time when videogames didn't have sound, at least based on what's in Smash.
I read this as Claude and got very confused and concerned.
when ever my brother gets mad about the how op byleth is, i remind him that in her own game, her sword has the range of a bow.
I think you mean a tome. Bow is locked at 2range and cant do anything against adjacent enemies (unless you have the fates dlc point blank)
Oh it's a she?
@@GabiteEditz male and female versions
@@Noah-hg5zx nu
Man I wish the sword of the creator could snipe enemies from 5 spaces away lmao
6:20 “as wrong as it might sound. Legend of Zelda is about items and using it to your advantage”
Link: Dies
Man, I sure do love seeing the *_literal same 2 jokes about Byleth,_* "Hoes Mad" jokes, and people being sarcastic about how funny "Hoes Mad" is
Is it wrong to say "first" on one of your comments?
Seems like the only thing that changed in 2020 is that everyone's fuckign mad about everything
@@ditto-w yeah no shit.
The world isn't sunshine and rainbows, it's a fucking shithole where everyone fights for no reason.
@@AAAAAA-bm9qd your not wrong but negative much
Christopher Moon this man is calling everyone out
"We've had three Ganons throughout Smash history."
But Melee Ganondorf and Ultimate Ganondorf are based on OoT Ganondorf.
I was thinking he meant in terms of movesets. Melee was just Captain Falcon, Brawl gave him Flame Choke, and Ultimate let him use his sword for his smash attacks.
@@seabassjames8222 But he referred to him in the same way he did Zelda, who is not that different, aside from design-wise between games.
Yeah that's fine and all, but when's musou Ganon and toon Ganon?
Hell yeah, musou Ganon is easily my favorite Ganon.
Unfortunately, we're more likely to get Lana or Linkle. lol
I started playing Three Houses the weekend before this announcement, and I named my character Guybrush.
“They go ham on these DLC character” yep. They recoded all the stages just for Steve
I'm still surprised at the lack of Kirby characters considering its his favorite character
All the major ones are already in.
@@Fishman465 wow, I haven't seen someone be this wrong in a while
@@Fishman465 Marx should be playable, and bandana dee should be as well.
Levi Maxwell I know right? How could someone say something like when the 4th main character (Bandana Dee) and the series’ most reoccurring villain (Dark Matter) aren’t playable yet?
Kutlwano Ndlovu I think if they were going to add any Kirby character, it would be bandana waddle dee, because Marx is already a boss in world of light and classic mode
The problem isn't Byleth, it's the ones who came before Byleth.
I agree with this so much.
Byleth themself is really cool and I can't wait to play them. It was just the amount of Fire Emblems characters the made it mediocre.
Sakurai isn't a god, if he is a god, he would've prevented six other FEcharacters from appearing in smash.
Sakurai is perfect however, as he made byleth that rendered the other six obsolete to play as.
The only tolerable ones for me are Robin and Byleth.
- « Too many swordsmen out there? » said Sothis.
You don't say! This is my main complain about Fire Emblem characters. I don't care about the number, but they all feel the same: blue haired characters with swords, blue clothes and no personnalities. Hopefully, Corrin and Robbin are little different, but they still do not have personnalities, and they have swords!
I am pretty sure if we had Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude with unique gameplay all at once instead of Byleth, there will be not such downvoting. Mostly because Byleth is a blue haired swordman with blue clothes and no personnality, and the 3 above aren't (even Dimitri). Plus: Byleth popularity is rather average in FE:3H, contrary to the 3 houses leaders. I dream for a new roster like this:
• Edelgard: Axe & Shield. Sturdy and deadly, but slow. Could even have Hector as echo fighter.
• Dimitri: Lance & Sword: quick and versatile, but lightweight. Could even have Lyn as echo fighter.
• Claude: Bow & Wyvern: high mobility and good projectile, but limited option in close range.
• Swordsmen: Make your choice between all those. Even if I like Roy a lot, Lucina and Ike are the best guesses if we are limited to 2.
• Robin and Corrin: because they have unique gameplay.
Well, we end up with 9 FE characters in the end (Edelgard, (Hector), Dimitri, (Lyn), Claude, Lucina, Ike, Robin and Corrin) instead of 8 (Marth, (Lucina), 'Roy', (Chrom), Ike, Robin, Corrin and Byleth).
Marth Ike Chrom Robin Corrin and Byleth are the only ones I really care for
"Look at Cloud's skins" CLOUD ONLY HAS 2 SONGS AND THEY AREN'T EVEN REMIXES
No Spirits; no original game artwork for Fighter Spirit; the Chocobo hat was even taken away. The third party Mii costumes ARE coming back two at a time, except for alongside Hero which would have been the time to bring back Chocobo and Geno..
Dragon Quest has tons of amazing orchestral music, but we only got the awfully bad quality MIDI renditions. Licensing be like that...
@@bdeink I don't think they sound bad at all. They used the orchestra version of Adventure in the reveal trailer but it was alongside CGI so it went well with the more cinematic footage. In actual gameplay I think the MIDIs are just fine.
There are 4 times more fire emblem characters in smash than FF songs
@@kammclendon9577 well blame square and its licenses. Not FE
2:40 "Look at Cloud's skins"
Bro look at his songs
Also your idea for Byleth's weapon swapping is what I was thinking, but instead similar to how pokemon trainer works.
Byleth is just another koopaling change my mind
@@hajimemehinata8171 Wrong. She's basically Ice Climbers with a Dedede recovery.
For Pokémon Trainer I’ve always wanted them to use the left and right taunts to switch to either the previous Pokémon or the next one respectively and be able to use that mechanic in the air so charizard can get rock smash back and squirtle and ivysaur could have their own down b moves
Ff7 needs more love in smash. We either need sepiroth, or tifa as a character, and we need more songs and another stage as well as some spirits
@@awesauce1 i feel like having a character with a sword that *literally* covers the whole stage would not be received well
i like the idea of tifa being in the game, but part of me thinks she would just be faster little mac. so little mac but better
I’ve mained Ganondorf since Melee and seeing Byleth’s moveset just makes me so happy
You’re like the Justin Y of Smash videos
Luca Fiorentini never seen em anywhere else tbh
Yep including the move from byleth's Arsenal that can overcome both captain falcon's punch and ganondorf's warlock punch.
"It's okay to not like a character" "Let's be nice to each other"
>insults Sonic fans on a daily basis
Sonic Fans are the most oppressed minority in the entire world. In this essay I will,
(edit; I realized after posting this that my comment might sound sarcastic but it genuinely isn't)
Ty-Ty “in this essay” lmao this is a youtube comment section
@@somejuice4689 That's the joke part
>its clearly a joke when he does it not like threatening the creator of the game
Sonic fans are a joke if you aint from the 90s lol cuz most likely that means your a furry and nobody likes those people
Byleth releasing at end of month. Just like the important missions in Three Houses.
O:
So, I always liked byleth and all. But I would've loved the character in smash if they played into more of them being a teacher leading their students. Like, I would've loved to see Byleth's smash attacks have her call on Edelgard, Claude, and Dimitri to attack with their respective weapons.
But that's just me :)
"Be glad we didn't get Divine Pulse" OH MY GOD THAT WOULD BE SO TOXIC
witch time: the sequel
Pause on Fire Emblem.
Some people really be forgetting that Dante has the same creator as Bayonetta.
And that Bayonetta was at one point considered a Spiritual Successor to Devil May Cry in gameplay.
Now the point I'm getting at is:
Dante would have been Sword-Bayonetta. Bayonetta's Echo, they share many many similarities in gameplay.
@@firstcooommment3675 "sword bayonetta" yeah no, dante's moveset would be different because for starters, he wouldn't get a counter, and second dante would have a gimmick, that being if you don't vary up the moves, you get less damage, but if you vary them up he gets a boost in damage for those attacks. As well as sword changes the moveset SO MUCH (jab, aerials, smashes, tilts, and pummel, hell maybe even the specials are changed because of sword, which they already are going to be different.) So you can't really compare them.
@@anidiot192
Just comparing the animations of each character in the roster, they seem the closest. Due to Dante being a speedy, damage dealer that doesn't rely on a few moves but "the entire kitchen sink".
And eventually no one besides Bayonetta has stylistic animations that matches Dante's flashy and fast style like in his games.
For instance: both of them would use rapid attacks based on combos from their original games.
They both use guns, slow exaggerated heavy attacks(launchers, air spikes,etc), magic, and transformations.
For regular attacks, whereas Bayonetta uses Melee punches, and adds in magic. Dante would instead use his sword mixed in with Melee attacks.
It wouldn't be exact, and many things will be different. But the weight of the attacks/the animations would be pretty similar.
Just imagine his Marvel vs Capcom version, everything he does in there could be converted into a fast character like Bayonetta(if anyone).
Jog Swanson
No counter: Dante has Royal Guard and Quicksilver so getting a counter rolled in would be very easy. Not probable for another Witch Time, but it’s not insane.
Losing damage from no variety: that’s called stale moves in Smash. So the gimmick might be more his styles and weapon pool, though they shafted Bayo’s weapon pool so they’d have to do the same for time constraints.
Smash Ultimate also tries to stay pretty true to the character’s origins. Terry, Joker, and even Banjo are prime examples of that. Mechanics being in line with their main games. And when you get into the nuts of DMC, Dante and Bayonetta play very similar. Stinger is Bayo’s grounded heel-slide, easy ground combo game to launcher into the air, then the same air combo game as Bayo, but more vertical than horizontal.
And I can see him being WORSE because his down-B could be Royal Guard that turns into Devil Trigger like Joker’s Arcen. So you’d have a sword character with access to Bayo’s combo game, Marth or Cloud’s disjoints, maybe different styles or weapons like Shulk’s Monado, and Joker’s Arcen meter. Even if Devil Trigger is his final smash, that’s still at least 2 different things Smash players hate.
And if his playstyle doesn’t match the game, Sakurai would get a fucking storm of hate from the community he’s trying to include. So that combo game is almost necessary if they want Dante in.
For reals, the rage is really just that they added Byleth instead of Gatekeeper.
My man gatekeeper got booted. They could have had Claude Edelgard and the blue one. It could've worked like pokemon trainer.
I know right, the injustice is real man.
@@jamesa.7549 and the blue one? You mean the most important character to FE3H aside from Edelgard.
@@our_illumination949 You do realize I haven't played the full game yet right. I'm only halfway through through golden deer route.
I wanted Camilla cause she uses an Axe and has two huge personalities.
i'm going to quote a friend here:
"so you can see this from two perspectives: either we have too many fire emblem characters or to little from other franchises."
Or both
Both
MrSuzan 100% both
Both
That's the reality. Tell your friend that's only one perspective 😂😂
I feel bad when Sakurai releases a new character and people end up hating it and they end up posting hate about Sakurai on Twitter. I can just imagine him sitting in his office getting sadder and sadder reading all the hate posts about his hard work. 😭😢
i think all the praise for him adding steve has made up for it
Besides Byleth (who is surprisingly awesome in Smash, since Joker), what other characters made Sakurai get all the hate?
they only care for their unrecognizable mario rpg character
@@justinortiz9342 Sad, but true.
@@justinortiz9342 if only they knew when
People tend to forget that when Corrin was announced for Smash 4, Fates was already released in Japan
Petition to make Alpha Sakurai's official translator
He does a better job.
But yeah a black man would be even cooler. What up its sakurai! Let me show you what I got
Samuel L. Jackson
Alpha: *Talks about Cloud's lack of skins*
Me: You say that like Cloud has skins.
Theta927 Cloud doesn’t have skin? Is he a skeleton?
Is he...SAAAAAAAANS skins?
I mean he's got his FFVII outfit, Advent Children, Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 outfits
He’s got the same amount of skins as he has songs
I'm pretty sure cloud has plenty of skin. Ask Sid.
Spasticsam 💀
6:47 "Mario is about mario"
"Pokemon is about Pokemon"
Me: Oh so does that mean The Legend of Zelda is about Zel-
Majora's mask and Phantom Hourglass: No
Well your not wrong about the Majora’s mask part, but you are definitely wrong about Phantom Hourglass. As Phantom Hourglass was the sequel to Wind Waker, and Tetra is literally Zelda in both Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass. While in Spirit Tracks the Princess Zelda is the granddaughter of Tetra & Link from Wind Waker & Phantom Hourglass
@@goldengreenie9672 i know tetra and zelda are the same person but i just assumed Zelda never actually becane zelda and just stayed as tetra. also i thought zelda in spirit tracks was the ghost of zelda from wind waker?
XtremeN00b the ghost Zelda in spirit tracks is the Princess Zelda’s soul/ghost from said Princess Zelda Spirit tracks
@@goldengreenie9672 *in my last comment i meant to say i assumed Tetra in phantom hourglass never became zelda, only transforming into zelda in wind waker, but i did not know that about zelda from spirit tracks
XtremeN00b Zelda gets straight up murdered in like the first 30 minutes of Spirit Tracks, and you can control her ghost
What I wanted more than Byleth in Smash: Footage of Alpha's gameplay on the other three routes.
@alpharad listen to this guy
Emperor Sloth other three routes? Do you mean two? (Also if there’s a fourth route you can tell me that there is but please don’t spoil what it is)
thebenjcrew there is
@@thebenjcrew There are four routes, and it's not exactly hidden.
If you played all three houses then it will be immideatly obvious where that fourth route is.
thebenjcrew There’s 4 routes, one of them is called “Hidden” but it’s really obvious where it is. It branches off of one of the first 3 routes.
The real conspiracy is that the DLC pack started and ended with Cassandra Lee Morris because she's secretly the "Nintendo Stakeholders" Sakurai mentioned.
@Imagine Voice actress of Sothis and Morgana
holy fuck
What kind of motive would she have?
@@Somerandomjingleberry world domination
@@Somerandomjingleberry making sure that everyone goes the F*CK to sleep!
"a lot of unnecessary fire emblem characters made the cut"
Counter-point: there were literally no cuts, so they had to be in.
...That and two (now three) of them are technically 2 characters in 1.
I think what he meant by that is they shouldn't have been there to begin with, like, never revealed ever. (Ex: Lucina in smash 4, shouldve never happened)
@@andrewkrebs5608 Lucina I 100% agree with. I was against that since day one. But Robin and Corrin both have totally unique styles, so I was all for that.
Andrew Krebs well that make no sense because the FE “problem” didn’t really become an issue until Corrin.
@@andrewkrebs5608 Honestly I really don't care what happens now or who else gets in as part of Fighter Pass 2, as long as KOS-MOS is one of them (would be awesome if it was like Robin and Corrin and we got KOS-MOS/T-elos.)
I would argue that every FE character we have either does serve a purpose or has no reason NOT to be there.
Marth is of course the face of the entire series. His fighting style of keeping his opponents at the right distance and hitting them with the tip of his sword is a genius way to transition the gameplay of a tactical RPG into a fighting game. It represents the strategy of patiently picking off your enemies one by one while minimizing risks by staying out of range of enemy attacks.
On the contrary, Roy when introduced in Melee represented an alternative, more aggressive playstyle. It still represented tactical positioning, but his attacks were stronger at the base of the sword rather than the tip. He seems to represent the idea of simply brute forcing strong opponents in FE by attacking them head-on with your own strong units. That may be a bit of a stretch, but let's not forget that he was a clone in Melee. He doesn't really need any justification for being there. He was brought back in SB4 simply by popular demand. So, even though I would say the aspects he represented before don't really hold up now, it can't be argued that it was Smash fans who wanted him back in the first place. And they did take the extra effort to ensure Roy wasn't just a clone again.
Ike was able to take the ideas conveyed by Roy and apply them in a much more obvious way, using a heavy sword to crush his enemies. At the time of his inclusion, no other swordfighter fought like this and even now the only one who comes close is Ganondorf with his forward smash.
Robin was a perfect opportunity to represent weapon types outside of just swords. Using Robin, they were finally able to include a protagonist that specialized in magic. Granted, in my opinion they did a pretty poor job of this by also choosing to have him represent inventory management and weapon degredation of all things, but it was still a respectable decision to include.
Lucina, as an echo, doesn't need any justification. It's worth noting though that she was originally planned to just be an alt for Marth before it was decided to change her sword to remove the sweetspot mechanic of Marth so that she could serve as an easier to master version of Marth. She also represents one of the unique aspects of Awakening: The time-traveling children from a doomed future.
Corrin was a perfect opportunity to represent another new weapon type: Dragonstones. Granted, I do think a more timeless choice to represent this probably would have been Tiki as she is a recurring character and a very popular one at that, but with Fates right around the corner at the time, I really don't think Corrin was as out of place as everyone makes him out to be. He had a ton of unique moveset potential unlike anything any other FE protagonist could exhibit. You can't blame Sakurai for wanting to include him.
Once again, Chrom being an echo means he needs little justification. However, he was a very highly requested character during development of SB4 (even if only because of the gematsu leak). From what I understand, Sakurai had considered including him in SB4 as an Ike echo as well. Between that and fan demand, Chrom's inclusion kinda just feels like "eh, why not?" And why not indeed, as even among echo fighters Chrom is the most unique pulling from two different movesets rather than exclusively Roy's.
Up until this point, there has always been something major missing from Fire Emblem representation in smash: The weapon triangle. A major mechanic in FE games is the rock-paper-scissors relationship between swords, lances, and axes. I always felt like it was a missed opportunity that Chrom and Lucina weren't given a lance in reference to their Great Lord class being able to use lances, but they were instead included as echoes, and including them as original characters and having their movesets built around a lance rather than their signature swords would feel unnatural.
But that brings us to Byleth who, while from an FE game that quite surprisingly did away with the weapon triangle, is also from a game in which any character of any class can use any weapon type. Many people have argued we should have gotten one of the house leaders, the most popular suggestion seems to be Edelgard. Unfortunately, I just don't think it's really fair to include one house leader over the others. They all hold equal importance to the story of Three Houses. This is the same reason I don't think Sakurai would have chosen any of the champions from Breath of the Wild, either. The only time Sakurai has ever chosen among a trio of characters were starter pokemon. I don't think the intention there was to represent the starters specifically but just to choose a pokemon from the latest generation, the most suited designs chosen by Sakurai just happen to usually be starters.
Regardless, I think Byleth was the best solution to this whole dilemma. The Sword of the Creator is a very unique weapon type. Yes, it is a sword, but I'm shocked by how many people overlook the fact that the "sword" is more like a whip than anything else. That alone I think is pretty freaking awesome. Beyond that, the inclusion of the Hero's Relics of each of the house leaders allows for representation of not only the entire weapon triangle in one character, but also allows each of the house leaders to be represented spiritually through Byleth, the face of the game as a whole. Byleth, being a professor, trains in a variety of weapon types to teach his students properly. For this reason, he is a perfect fit to represent the variety of weapon types Fire Emblem has to offer.
I really think people are far more angry about "too many FE reps!" than they should be. Excluding echoes, the franchise has 6 reps. That's still less than Mario and Pokemon and equal to Legend of Zelda. At the end of the day, Smash isn't about the number of reps each game deserves, it's about representing each game as well as they possibly can. As long as a franchise is contributing new ideas, Smash is going to continue adding new characters.
Why the hell does this comment have 15 likes?
It's so well worded.
this deserves way more likes.
Dont care
Three fire emblem characters are about the same
@@Person-ts9dy That's a really cool argument you made that I've never heard nor addressed before. /s
Is it crazy that one game alone has 3 representatives?
All the Kanto Pokémon: *sweat profusely*
Lorenzo Zavala
Pokémon doesn’t flipping count....
POKÉMON ARE ADORABLE!!!!!!!
@@Mintiy8523 yeah they do
@@agipson101 Pokemon from gen 1 are mostly available in every other pokemon game, not like fire emblem where there are characters that stay around for 1 game then are just never seen again.
Lorenzo Zavala link has like 4 clones of the exact same character
@@mojoe5115 pokemon from gen 1 are shit
I think the “FE is about characters” is a point that I’ve never thought of. I think it is a point that needs to be more realized.
Someone else was pointing out that Fire Emblem games usually have around 30-40 playable characters and there's a different roster for all sixteen games. They could have easily found characters within the series that had way different playstyles if they didn't mostly just use the protagonists from the more popular ones. In a way, if you were to judge by percentage of characters, Fire Emblem is actually under represented.
Agree. That's why I love the games. Its focused so much on trying to make these likeable characters. Three Houses did the best job. I fell in love with my students in Blue Lions. And then when they die you actually freak out cause you don't want to lose them. Its rather interesting from a psychological perspective
Also great profile pic and name :D
@Team Plasma Unofficial *its no use!*
Ehhh, he's right, but also Smash has somehow ended up with some of the weakest characters in the franchise in its roster so it's not a terribly helpful argument. Seriously, we have Corrin. Not even Fire Emblem fans like Corrin
@@arachnofiend2859 Didn't they start development of Corrin before Fates came out? If so I can see why that would happen. If not just oblivious. Then again. We also aren't Japanese... my mind is going too deep
“Byleth with a grain of salt”
With marmite.
> be me
> want karate joe in smash
> get Marth's 10th cousin instead
> play Byleth as a joke
> realize i'm pretty good at them
>main Byleth
*thank you Byleth*
Byleth mains are just people who are to afraid to commit to heavies :/ (Not trying to insult you. I just really needed to get that off my chest.).
@@extinctionanimation I main Byleth because multi weapons is fun as heck, the idea of heavies never crossed my mind. (I play DK as well)
I was thinking the Chorus Kids would be better representatives.
>be me
>think joe has better fighting skills
>respect your opinion anyway
*thats cool, bro.*
Where’s the
> play three houses?
Direct: has 69k dislikes
This video: 69k likes
Nice.
n i c e
perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
@@Suitsnstylesguy actually the direct has over 80k dislikes rn
Direct has over 80 k dislikes now..
My comment: 69 Likes
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
Alpharad the gamer who sees both sides of the problems
👏
One thing people forget:
THERE ARE THREE LINKS! plus Ganondorf an Zelda aka 5 LoZ characters.
(Still not a fan of Byleth)
CheerioCheerio you are defending what you hate?
@@CheerioCheerio 3 Links certainly isn't ideal, but there are basically 4 Marths, 2 rep the same game, 1 being a promotional stunt; then you've got 2 more promotional FE characters that cost more money to buy with Corrin and Byleth (FE:3H DLC).
The Links at least all rep different games, and none of them are promo characters (*maybe* BotW2) nor do they cost extra money.
@Justin Justin7 : true
@Falcón 21 : i'm not defending it at all. I think Byleth is stupid and there are a ton of better characters. I just wanted to point out that a lot of the complaining smash fans only bring up the amount of FE characters because they are kind of biased.
By the way,
My wishlist for DLC characters, outside the obvious wishes like Master Chief, include: Lara Croft, Sailor Moon, Ninja Turtles, Garurumon (Digimon), Black Magician (Yu-Gi-Oh) and Darth Vader.
Some of them are crazy and unrealistic, but all would have an amazing move-set and would be awesome, just because of the cooperation with nintendo.
And of course Untitled Goose as an assist trophy!
I think Byleth's moveset is a pretty great representation of Three Houses, actually, because you can equip all those weapons at once and switch between them whenever you want regardless of your class.
I would have preferred all three house leaders, interchangeable like Pokemon Trainer's Squirtle/Ivy/Charizard or old-school Zelda/Sheik. It would have been way better of a rep of 3H than yet another self-insert protag devoid of much personality beyond stern looking and serious.
@@GaminexPro Robin has a personality though. Corrin is also FAR from serious or stern in their game. And Byleth canonically has a reason to be unemotional and detached. But that's spoilers so
Wouldn't those weapons weigh Byleth down.
@@kryzethx Look at how any of these characters act and behave in Smash and you'll be hard pressed to identify their "character". Byleth not only has LESS voicework and dialogue compared to Corrin and Robin in 3H, but so much less expression and boring supports that it is especially moreso a problem for them than Robin and Corrin.
The face Sakurai did right after Byleth's reveal trailer proves he knew exactly what he was doing
Alpharad: STAY MAD
Also Alpharad: _Video that goes in depth to the situation with an understanding of why people are disappointed about Byleth_
Me: you had me and you lost me.
6:38 Mario is a game about platforming so that’s why there’s so many mario stages.
Mario is also pretty popular though
@@hotdogsinchina mario is literally nintendo's face and perhaps even the face of gaming, it makes sense it is the most represented
The more you know
I don’t care who joins, at the end of the day it’s smash. Smash Is meant to be a big fight game. The character selection screen gonna look a rainbow. Hell add igglybuff for all I care, more the merrier.
I’m the same kind of person.
The more the merrier
Exactly!! Who cares its an extra fighter
no but the problem is that they took up a slot. that could have been any other character
It good there’s lots but smash needs to prioritize the community first instead of third party games that not a lot of ppl want
I love apex of the world
But my heart still aches that god shattering star wasn't included, or at least a remix version
The typical Smash fan is upset an FE character got added. Standard/older FE fans wish someone else was added (i.e. Lyn). Fans of 3H are sad that God Shattering Star isn't here.
Hopefully we'll get a Felix Swordfighter skin or something that it will come with, like Megalovania or Floral Fury with Sans and Cuphead.
@@squatch1565 honestly, lyn would add nothing to the roster. fast but frail characters have been done before and her weapon of choice would doom her from the start. i would much rather have a character who is known for a different weapon, like hector or ephraim. lyn is fine as an assist trophy
Trailer: *Gets 69K dislikes*
By length: I won, but at what cost?
Lazarus Mekhane by length I’d say you and everything else in the world is short
By length
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I keep saying if Banjo and Byleth's spots on the Fighters pass were switched it would have been different.
Ending on a Fire Emblem rep was a pretty bad move, even if the character is good.
The one drawback is now you have three characters in a row that people complained about (Hero, Byleth, Terry).
It doesn't help that Byleth is a horrible "character" who's hated even by Fire Emblem fans for not actually being a character & for dragging down all the other Three Houses characters. It also doesn't help that Sothis is hated for the same reasons.
now that i can say is a legit arguement. but, considering what was added before this new fe rep, and what will be after.
sakurai spoils us. and we still act like entitled children.
I don't think Byleth and Hero at E3 would have gone over that well with the Smash community
I would've been a little upset if Banjo was last just because Banjo is such a base-game feeling character. There isn't really anything wild to Banjo besides the limited-use side-b which in all honesty, I dislike very much. It just makes me not want to use Side-B at all until I'm at like 100% because I know I'm about to die. I feel Byleth at least has something neat with their moveset being powerful and having a long range. Almost glass cannon like. I feel like I need personal time with Byleth but so far they look fun as hell and I can't wait for them to drop.
Kinda ironic how you talk about Sothis being a prologue character when Lyn is literally a tutorial character.
The man wears his heart on his sleeve.
Of a pretty damn long tutorial long enough for character development and story
@@matthhiasbrownanonionchopp3471 Yes, and important enough that in the original Japanese version you could straight up skip it if you didn't want to play through it.
She at least there throughout the whole game Sothis literally disappears throughout the second half
She's hot.
I want Anna to be a character. I know she does literally nothing but I love her so much
I support this claim
Who dat
You can actually recruit her tho
I would love anna. She's in every game and a big part of the series. Funnily enough I don't think some people would even recognize she's an FE character until the end of the trailer.
well, they got *A PLANT* in. this sorta means that basically anyone can get in smash.
4:47 "The problem isn't Byleth, but rather the characters that come before Byleth". Thank you for pointing this out. It's something that fans should know. Byleth deserved their spot and was one of the more sensible FE picks since Robin.
wrong boah
@Nepho but I feel like byleth has a unique moveset.
Twilitblack I dont care, I just dont want anymore fire emblem characters. Give me something different, like a new sonic character or something like a new xenoblade character. Fire emblem has too many representatives.
Counterpoint: keep Robin, but remove Chrom and Lucina, as they share the Marth moveset mostly.
@@phoenixflamegames1 very true. But byleth is deserved. Lucina Roy and chrom shouldn't haven't been in the game. And I love roy
sakurai: planning byleth
everyone: i dont want byleth
sakurai: (my profile picture)
Alright, that gave me a chuckle. 👍
😂
Nice
it's actually kinda depressing for me how these days the fire emblem characters in smash are basically acting as a gateway for people who have never played fire emblem to start hating the series
Well, I like Fire Emblem just because I'm an Ike main even though I've barely played any of the games, so it kinda balances out?
Corrin and the premise of Fates was the reason I decided to give Fire Emblem a try, and I'm very glad I did. Unfortunately, not everyone is so open minded.
Smash is the reason why I never gave the series a chance because of all the characters so that's very true
Garrett Seno idk something about having a thing being constantly being shoved in your face tend to annoy people even if you like the thing. Like I like fire emblem and all but having all these fire emblem character being shoved in my face makes me wish fire emblem was this popular.
@@jessyranger3714 That's a shame. A damn shame. Smash is the reason i played fire emblem and now I'm a huge fan.
I love Fire Emblem. It’s my favorite franchise in video games and I’ll never get tired of playing it. That being said, I completely agree with you that the cast in smash should be cut in half. I’d say keep Marth, Ike, Robin, Corrin, and Byleth. With the amount of character there are, I don’t think they deserve an echo spot. Those five are unique enough to be the fire emblem reps of smash imo
I hate Fire emblem....at least I know how to beat them all....if I'm lucky....
@@GabiteEditz i hate legend of Zelda... now at least I know how to beat the 3 fucking links
I mean "Echo Spot" doesn't really make sense as an argument. The point of an echo is to differentiate their playstyle and add a bit of fanservice using minimal resources. They don't really take up a "slot", they just get added if the creators feel they can or should, and I much prefer Chrom and Lucina who play very differently to Roy and Marth than Samus and Dark Samus or Peach and Daisy, who play identically to each other.
I really badly wanted Azura to be a playable character but they just made her a spirit.
Too bad that shitendo shut down that franchise
I’m glad someone finally talked about how FE is a game about characters
Waifus*
Husbandos and Waifus*
When I played the old ones (FE3), I was not about the characters, but the classes. That's where Smash gets it wrong. There are so many classes, but all we get is the latest Marth. Keep Mercenary (Ike) and Mage, but add Pegasus Knight, and Heavy Knight. I'm serious about those last two, it would've been sick.
@@KittyKatRock15 Gatekeeper
Yeah. I agree with him that Awakening has too many characters, but I don't think we have to cut the roster down to make the roster better. I think Corrin, Chrom, and Lucina should be cut or become costumes. Then their spots can go to 3 other fire emblem characters with axes, bows, and lances.
I think most people assumed Byleth switched weapons like Monado arts. Then when we found out it was just different moves, so people were disappointed all over again.
U know how much cooler that woulda been? Press b to switch between bow, axe, sword or lance. tilts/aerial/specials would be different 4 each one?
Ok. That might be a ton of work, but still...
@@meyeneetuks4680 That was literally what Alpharad suggested
@omar عمر Don't most characters have similar looking/working moves to each other?
Noir how many people share that same stupid kick neutral air
Well clearly, Sakurai is testing us. The first fighter pack represents everything Smash players hate.
Joker: Damage Based Mechanics
Hero: RNG
Banjo and Kazooie: Invincibility
Terry: Combos
Byleth: Fire Emblem
You got a point.
I thought I saw this before... hmmm.
Maybe you were the one who posted it. Maybe not. It's true what you speak though.
Dealer Man plant gang :(
@@TrueLadyEvilChan no they just stole it
Robin Grimahood ZeRo
9:36
I’m surprised it took Alpha this long to mention that
You honestly summarized my thoughts on this situation to a T. I wholeheartedly agree, and thank you for acknowledging the weaknesses of the choice, yet also being a voice of reason, and not of toxicity, anger, and war.
Everyone: We're tired of so many FE reps in Smash
Byleth Fans: lmao hoes mad
Alpharad: I think the problem is that there are too many FE characters
Byleth Fans: Well I guess he's got a point
Honestly FE hate that fact too. We didn't ask for all of this representation, nobody wanted 4 Marth's but the reason why FE fans even the ones who didn't want Byleth are popping off is because of the amount of hate the series gets for something that the fans and creators have nothing to do with.
This man spittin straight fax
@@saucymongoose7246
4 marths, there are 4 marths.
I don't even inherently have a problem with it, and I've never played a Fire Emblem game, it's just that they have as much representation as Donkey Kong and Zelda combined!!!
Like if the conversations went this way on Twitter
Topkek
Smash bros: "new character!"
fans: "oh yeah!"
fire emblem: *giorno's theme*
Byleth: “I Byleth, have a dream”
🎹
Ryzer's Stuff GIORNO FOR SMASH
Something interesting Corrin was already out in Japan
tjlnintendo Byleth: I, Byleth Byovanna, have a sword
It's really stupid that Three Houses went from the highest rated Switch game of 2019 to the most hated because of Byleth's inclusion in Smash. Like, if you don't like the game, that's fine, but if you're retroactively changing your opinion on a game because of something that happened in a completely different game, then you seriously need to rethink your standards.
Finally, someone said it!
Fe always has been a shit franchise.... is the cars of nintendo is just to make money
@Panda BubbleTea almost every call of duty is critically acclaimed, even fortnite is critically acclaimed that means they are good games... critics don't really decide if someting is good or bad
@@Jojokaisen28 and you do? Are you the deciding factor for whether or not a game good or not?
@@suicidalloafofbread2009 No, but there is a very simple way of knowing if a game is objectively good outside of your personal opinion. for example if you ask about god of war 4, red dead redemptiom 1 and 2, zelda breath of the wild, shadow of the colossus, final fantasy 6, 7 and 9, etc ... 90% of people will tell you that these are really good games, the other 10% or they did not play them or they do not belong to genres that they like. if you ask most of the players about fe 25% will tell you that they are ok 25% will tell you that they are horrible, 40% have never played it or are not interested and 10% are fanboys who talk about how wonderful they are there is how much you can give a final verdict ... an example would be half life 2 to me it seems like fucking shit but 90% will tell you that it is a masterpiece and if you analyze it you can see why people believe it indifferently of what I think. I have played almost every fe and I have talked about them with many people and honestly it is hardly a regular franchise ... that sells well just like assassins creed
As much as I am disappointed in yet another fire emblem character, I can’t be mad after all sakurai has done for us
Yo same man. I appreciate the teams hard work. Did u see how happy he was during the direct? It felt like *he* wanted byleth in his game
@@meyeneetuks4680 And if he doesn't want the character in, he still get's hate but he can't tell himself "I wanted this, they can take a 26 in binary"
@@meyeneetuks4680 *he just want one of his favourite character in smash,he add all series including Sega, his company rival, he even add 6 more dlc*
High Definition I don’t really like how people use the word “entitled” when talking about things like this. We’re not getting these characters for free. We’re paying for them. We don’t owe Nintendo anything just because they’re making DLC characters. They aren’t doing us a favor, this is a transaction.
@@concussed_9532
Oh tell me what a 26 in binary is what I think it is?
This is exactly how I feel about this DLC I'm not upset just a bit disappointed with the total outcome of it but hey!! More rule34 to go around I guess
Random Guy well said.
I can legally have DK shag Byleth!
@@FilthyCasualty heeeellllll yeaahhh
I'm gonna go check and see how much more was added since yesterday
Update: not much has changed
"An axe user would be pretty similar to Ike is, honestly."
All right, so Challenger Pack 11 is... Ike again... but with *URVAN* INSTEAD!
You know it would be nice if all the fire emblem echo fighter and similar characters got a new move set.
We like Ike
Honestly, that sounds sick
I wouldn’t be mad and as a fire emblem fan I hate to say that I would an Axe Ike over Byleth. (Three houses was fun but Radiant Dawn is GOAT’ed)
Don't you B.Ike at me. Hector would've been dope. Or Ephraim. But deep down in my heart I knew Byleth was coming.
People: *don't want Byleth *
Also people: *play Byleth *
People yet again: ..... shit (s)he's fun.
4 months later she’s not so fun you would need Time and effort for byleth and is not worth the time
I mained Byleth for a while and had a lot of fun but I would kill to play Azura
@@mariodude7424 you need time and effort for any character lmao.
I also really wanted Byleth, but I too agree with a lot about this video. I feel like Byleth is a sour spot in the community, and I only wish that the execution of their reveal and moveset was handled better.
It is what it is, and while I’m excited to play them I can’t help but feel a little disappointment in one of my all tome favorite franchises.
The moveset is the only thing good about the ordeal, because it actually represents the weapon triangle and it's a breakthrough from the overused sword user format. I'm angry not because of Byleth took the last spot, but because it took the franchise SIX CHARACTERS to start getting experimental. You can rant about his inclusion, his alt or even his stage, BUT NO ONE CAN CRITICIZE THE MOVESET BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS SAKURAI'S PROFESSIONALISM AND HIS WILLINGNESS TO MAKE THE BEST OUT OF A BAD SITUATION!
777 theultra The weapon triangle doesn’t exist in fe3h
Well, after all four previous dlc characters, people start to tend dlc as "updating a new character that has unique moves and comes from a third-party franchise that suppose'nt to be in smash". They've been brainwashed by themselves
@@jj6148 it do
My one gripe is this. whenever i try to read byleth, it turns into "blyat"
It cant be undone now thanks
cyka byleth
blyat recruits...blyat
"byleth is hot so stop being mean"
fax
Your goddamn right
Stop being mean to me I am very talented I make great Videos eigenes Time Legend
Which gender?
Lol did he say that?
Waluigi’s hotter though
I think a fighter that would be called “Three Houses” would a be a pokemon-trainer esque fighter with Edelgard, Claude, and Dimitri, with different move sets and switching via down b
Not gonna lie, that's kinda cool.
THIS
Comic Chaos I love Byleth is Smash but I feel like this would’ve been the best choice for a Three Houses Rep.
Hey, I saw someone said Byleth is an Ivysaur main just cus of his recovery. Pretty sure the toxicity will be larger if this is the case (Even tho thats a really heckin cool idea)
who knows we may see this in challenger pact 6-11