Good overview. One thing to remember guys, when you shoot at a bad guy in a home defense situation, they will take cover and concealment. So be prepared to have your sectors of fire mapped out and then you can "shoot though concealment".
@RangeFinderz Yea that's what I use. I have all the good stuff like MK262, MK318, FBI "bear claw" and the bonded stuff will stay together through a barrier BUT M855 and especially M855a1 [buy on Gun Broker] does better. I was Infantry w/ the 101st in the Iraq invasion 2003 looking for Saddam and his sons, etc. We'd get into a lot of CQB during the 2nd half in Mosul. That M855 performed really well, internet people talk shit but it's a good round.
@evanshall Yes it sounds nerdy and way too serious but planning this shit out before anything actually happens is important. Best to be prepared then wing it. I was an Army Officer and did 9 yrs. Combat missions, CQB, training soldiers and tons of planning.
Heavy open tip match bullets are more accurate at long distances. And they have good fragmentation in animals they hit unobstructed into soft tissue. But they do not do well (they shatter) after hitting any obstruction, including walls, metal, trees, or bone.
@@cjbecker1683 Agree. 77g OTM puts a "whoop"in on them dawgs. As long as the target is in an open field, ie shot does not have to go through brush, trees, etc., first.
Depends on what you're doing. 77 grain OTMs are among the top 2 projectiles for pure accuracy, being beaten only by 69 grain SMKs. 77 grain TMKs are actually superior in consistent damage on a soft target at longer range while still being very accurate. The one shortcoming is that neither of these deal with light barriers very well. Bonded soft points like federal fusion 62 grains perform well enough to drop deer, and bad guys in america while performing consistently even through a barrier. They're just nowhere near as accurate as OTMs at longer range. There are tradeoffs with projectiles.
@@mghegotagun Yeah, I'm not doing any wide open, long range target shooting or hunting; and any self defense scenarios are going to be less than 100 yards, and may well involve some light barriers.
Been using 75g & 62g Speer Gold Dot 223 for about 6 years now for the ranch here. I was using imi M193 for the longest time until I took a whitetail about 6 years ago with a 75g speer gold dot factory loaded 223. Was absolutely impressed with the terminal ballistics on the 149ibs whitetail at just over 100 yards. He maybe ran 20 yards then dropped and was dead by the time I got to him. The 62g gdsp absolutely destroys the coyotes I've taken on my ranch.
@First_name_youtube_doesnt_like No, not at all! Varmint rounds on the AR platform are honestly the worst cartridge you can use for ANY kind of defensive purpose. There's some great videos here on UA-cam that prove this very point and even show comparisons through media like calibrated gel. Ultimately, the varmint round is completely designed around incapacitating smaller creatures up to a maximum of a 45ibs coyote. Their skin, organs and bone structure are almost opposite of our own. The human body is extremely resilient and can really take a high range of abuse while coyotes, jack rabbits, ground hogs, etc have thinner skin with much smaller organs that are situated much closer together inside their bodies. This is why the varmint rounds are designed to expand and / or fragment IMMEDIATELY once striking it's target which immediately dumps all of the rounds energy on the target. Since the targets are so small and built the way they are then proper penetration is almost unnecessary. There's a few great studies out there that go into great detail on what it takes to best dispose of human threat. While a varmint round can most certainly stop or erase someone, there's far, FAR more efficient cartridge designs out there to do so. With human anatomy, the best way to stop a threat is through crushing, violent force. Speaking specifically for 5.56 / 223, this is primarily achieved through high velocity and deep penetration. This is why M193 is so loved. When that little 55g fmj boat tail round impacts flesh it immediately begins to yaw and tumble which absolutely crushes flesh and allows the energy to continue further through the body where the round will begin to fragment at the right depth where vital organs sit. Varmint rounds do horrible when going up against human bone. Personally, my favorite AR platform, defensive cartridge is the Speer Gold Dot 223 bonded softpoint. Since the copper jacket is molecularly bonded to the lead core the round will violently expand without fragmentation which allows the bullet to carry it's energy and expansion much deeper through flesh and bone.... There's some great videos on UA-cam showing the rounds abilities too! Hopefully this has been insightful! I enjoy this topic very much 😊
If you want good terminal ballistics, check out 77 and 75gr tmk. I saw a conversation on a hunting forum with it a few years back. Some of the pictures posted blew me away. I gave it a try and never looked back.
@@goawaybaizuo I absolutely love the 55g adi tmk that I've used in the past. One of the most accurate rounds I've found in 223/556. Had no idea there were tmk's heavy for caliber. I'll definitely be checking them out!
@@toxxtalks_sidequests They're very tough to find. Before my last order I would check ammoseek DAILY by using their filters on the website. Was able to scoop up 200rds last time it was available. Just keep checking, they'll pop up again. Be sure to only use reputable websites.
Very enlightening. This largely explains the inconsistent performance of FMJ rounds in general. For home defense, I currently load 55gr SP. I've also been impressed by the instant bullet upset of hot loaded HPs in pistol caliber carbine. With either ammo, I'm probably ill-prepared for an armored attacker but as a home defender, I'll take that risk. Ya makes your choices... Another UA-camr, High Desert Tactical, posted a video intended to show the "horrible overpenetration" of 5.56 V-max ammo. By his third test, he finally got it right. The "biologic" target was placed in front of sheetrock and the bullet expended virtually all energy in the "attacker" failing to penetrate the first layer of sheetrock behind him. As a home defender, that is fine by me. Only when a round missed the attacker and struck wall material first did it "overpenetrate". If I cannot hit an attacker inside 10 yards with a rifle, I should probably hang it up.
Exactly. Rifle and pistol round actually penetrate interior structures very similarly. Good training, and decision making is what makes the difference.
Inaccurate… most recent tragedy when a criminal ran from cops and ran into offsutys’s house… the responding dlonduty shot the off duty by mistake three times, only two rounds hit him within 10 yards.
This is the info I’m looking for. I want to be able to hit a target and not worry about it going through multiple walls into the kids room or something.
@@bigdog4574 He definitely should have hung it up. And by now I'd think you know civilians are way more trained than police. Guys who go to the range and shoot twice a month are better off than a cop with a yearly qualifier and no training requirement.
I was searching for this type of info and literally clicked on this video cos y’alls logo is the Aquila from Warhammer 40K. Stayed for the content, cos it’s well researched and presented.
Very informative! Brand new firearm owner here, first firearm being a ruger ar15. Actually signed up for safety and proper use class that I'm really looking forward to starting next week! Good to know what ammo to look for in home defense, ty for the video!
@@kennethmitchell2785 I live in the communist state of Maryland. Lol, it's not that bad... Atleast not yet BUT the rules here are completely asinine when it comes to firearms.... I'll give a brief rundown of what I mean.... When it comes to anything and I mean ANYTHING, "except for full auto of course", over 16" barrel there's zero action or reporting that has to be done on your part with the state. All you have to do is pass a background for the supplier unless it's a private sale which has even less regulations. So I can go and purchase an AR every day of the week for an entire year and not have to do anything other than take them home and enjoy.... But when it comes to ANYTHING under 16" is the fun part, sarcasm most certainly included. You must first take the time and money to go and get your fingerprints electronically processed with the state. Once you get all that fun stuff done and wait on all your paperwork you can now take the time to find a licensed instructor to go to a 4 to 8 hour class showing you know all the safety aspects of a firearm as well as a live drill of you loading a pistol and accurately and safely firing on target. Once you pass you are not granted you HQL. You can't purchase ANYTHING under 16" without an HQL. Once you've waited a good 2-3 months to receive your HQL back from the state you get the opportunity to finally purchase a firearm that shouldn't be restricted from your God given constitutional rights but hey, gotta play by the rules to stay as far away from any kind of federal charge possible.... Anyways, the fun is still FAR from over.... Hopefully you're still with me at this point because this is when the real sillyness begins. Once you've picked out what you want you then have to make sure said firearm is on the MARYLAND APPROVED LIST OF FIREARMS. Once that's been checked off you now have to sit with the dealer and fill out a 5 dollar application for Maryland stating what your purchasing and from where which comes back quickly and then you can pay for your firearm..... But guess what.... YOU STILL DON'T GET TO TAKE HER HOME! You now must wait a minimum 7 days before you can go back and garnish your purchase BUT ONLY IF Maryland emails you your acceptance letter, which is easy to receive after 7 days if you've done everything correctly but what's funny is the way they word your approval letter.... It states that you, "your name" for example, "The citizen of Maryland, Mr. Chucky Charles the third, has NOT BEEN DISSAPROVED in request of ownership for said firearm." They don't dare say that you ARE approved.... They keep it very liberal and like to let you know who holds the real power over the situation.... But finally.... FINALLY you can take your baby home with you, to love and care for.... But.... Somethings still not right.... Hmmm.... SHE'S NOT WHOLE! WTF IS THIS?!? Why did my 17+1 round Gen 5 glock 17 come with only 10 round magazines?!? What gives here?!? The ownership and use of full and large capacity magazines are 100% LEGAL to own and operate in the state of Maryland yet they botched my baby and gave her stubs for arms and legs! This is where the last loop hole lies.... While yes, like I said it's 100% legal to own and operate with full capacity magazines, even 30rd mags for my AR, it's ILLEGAL to purchase or to be sold in the state of Maryland....Luckily I'm just a 20 minute ride from both Pennsylvania and West Virginia. Hop over into the more free state, purchase what should have never been limited in the first place and legally bring them over state lines.... But hold up.... You see a shiny new gun that's on sale at a price point that just can't be refused! I MUST HAVE! Oh.... But wait.... I have to wait 30 days time from last purchase before I can legally start this wild and whacky ride all from the point of after receiving the HQL again..... What's truly sad is that I've been a law abiding and upstanding citizen that has the right to defend myself with whatever I see fit yet I'm highly regulated in doing so all the while the bad guys who want my shiny new TV can go out and get a burner gun, threaten me and my family's life over silly possessions and leave the victor and getting a slap on the wrist when caught..... I swear we're living in a simulation....
@@kennethmitchell2785 also, to reiterate.... The class was not only safety oriented but also on gun training. It was alot of the basics type stuff with alot of awesome efficiency drills.
Wow! excellent info on the yaw after 5.56 leaves the barrel. That really explains why 5.56 FMJ always performs well on gel at 5 yards yet soldiers complain about it's legality in theatre. Real shame the most informative channels like yours aren't the most popular.
Great video man, very informative. I appreciate the references to valid studies. Everyone has an opinion but the facts are the facts. Much easier to make a decision off solid information. Thanks for making this.
The research is just numbers on paper. The facts would be the number of enemy combatants dispatched with the venerable 223 cartridge of the standard US military infantry rifle!
@@brianfischer5609 the best round for combat isn't always going to be the best round for home defence in a suburban setting. Modern technology allows bullets to be designed for specific purposes.
I actually hand loaded 60gr V-Max at a mild velocity so it doesn't just explode, 10 feet to 50 yards it comes apart but still has plenty left over that ends up in a nice mushroom. Nice and accurate also.
Give me m193 from a 16" or 20" barrel out to 200 yards and that's pretty hard to beat for the price vs effectiveness ratio. Mk262 is the best I have seen but it costs 4x what m193 costs. It's really when you get into shorter barells that m193, m855 falls off and you need to look at other options.
@@eliasaamot573 SS109 is what Belgium designed for adoption by NATO. M855 is the same cartridge, it's just what we named the round in our inventory. They're the same thing.
Funny, Vietnam the 5.56 did well (ask the NVA not tactical guys). The NVA actually preferred the 5.56 and would have used it had it been available to them. 20" barrels provided the velocity and 1:12 twist provided the yaw and instability of the round when hitting flesh.
Can confirm. My uncle's barber was ex-NVA and he told him once they traded 12 chickens for a captured m16 one time but they got scammed because it had no magazine
I am all about the heavy OTM’s.. Black Hills, Hornady, and many others manufacture some great heavy OTM’s. For when I need I combo of barrier blind ammo and a terminal performer I am looking at monolithic projectiles.
Can believe you only have 3k in subs. Keep putting out regular high quality vids and your subs will increase. Got to pick at least 1 day a week that you always release a new video. 2 days a week in the same 2 days is much better, but have to be consistent and regular......
What they did not include was BC and its effects on effective distance of legality. High BC heavier rounds extend lethal distances fairly measurably. It's statistically significant...
Some criticism: Insufficient information is presented about the Army study which seems to be the basis of many of the conclusions here, such that no conclusions may be reached about its quality nor data compared with other studies. The chart at 5:41 conveys no meaningful information because we do not know what constitutes "lethality" in that study and we don't even know which projectiles or commercial loadings are being used, as they are redacted, to make the data comparable with other testing. A few contentions: Bullet yaw in the ballistic phase is not an intrinsic or consistent feature of 5.56 ammunition. It is also NOT a desirable behavior as it introduces a number of shot-to-shot variables, which lead to poor dispersion and unpredictable terminal performance. It is present only when imperfections in the projectile, the barrel's rifling, or in the assembly of the individual cartridge cause it to present after firing. Previous work has noted the effects of angle of attack on yaw depth, but also discovered that certain projectiles would yaw more reliably and sooner after penetration regardless of angle of attack on impact, such as the Hornady 75gr and Nosler 77gr projectiles. Notably, the Sierra Matchking 77gr projectile, selected for use with MK262Mod1, showed inconsistent yaw depth, very dependent upon angle of attack, similar to M855 ball. It's important to note that Barrier penetration is NOT synonymous with armor penetration, as barrier penetrating "bonded" projectiles offer no improved armor penetrating characteristics. It's important to note that 5.56/.223 varmint projectiles consistently show poor penetration in testing designed to ensure target incapacitation. Namely, they often fail to penetrate deeply enough through bodily tissue to ensure the projectile could pass through vital organs if they first struck a target's arms, entered at oblique angles, etc. Because of this, they are not recommended for defensive use. More in depth research is available by searching the works of Doctor Martin Fackler and Doctor Gary Roberts. Dr. Fackler birthed the modern study of terminal ballistics and invented calibrated testing with ballistic gelatin alongside testing performed on euthanized goats. Dr. Roberts' work on terminal ballistics and armor behavior influenced major US institutions to improve their study of terminal ballistics and body armor materials.
I have seen very different performance using different 5.56 rounds hunting deer, regarding damage to vital organs. Bullet construction can and does negate the effects of fleet yaw, which is what you are describing. MK318 SOST, M855A1, and a few other rounds are now used by our military which are not sensitive to it in any meaningful way, and which have improved terminal effect.
Military uses steel core ball for cost and penetration of hard targets. The magical cartwheeling bullet doesn't exist. It goes straight through unless hitting bone and deflecting. Endless gel tests show no cartwheeling bullet. Many SF units have access to a 77gr OTM special load as it's much much more accurate. Rifles are a joke for home defense. People trying to compensate for lack of, as in zero, training with a rifle over a handgun.
@@beenschmokin Re: "The magical cartwheeling bullet doesn't exist." That depends on what you mean by the term "cartwheeling"... rifle bullets as a rule are heavier in the rearmost portion of the projectile, lighter in the frontmost portion of it. Under normal circumstances, an unspun projectile of this kind would want to "swap ends," so that the heaviest portion is front-most. What prevents this from occurring is the barrel rifling and enormous rate of spin on the slug and the gyroscopic stability it imparts. Specifically, what physicists call the "right hand rule," if you care to explore it further. A force vector is generated along an axis perpendicular to the spin of the object. If the bullet is spun clockwise, then down the long axis of the projectile forwards, and so on. When a bullet's velocity and rate of spin degrade enough, far away enough from the muzzle, it will begin to lose gyroscopic stability due to the lessening of this effect. This reduction can also come about due to encountering a barrier or target which rapidly degrades its spin and forward motion, such as a living game animal or in the case of a military load, an enemy soldier. The original M193 55-grain load was in fact designed around this sequence of events. Eugene Stoner and his team increased the lethality of the .224-caliber slug by giving it a crimping groove or cannelure, and when the bullet hit and entered an enemy soldier's body, it would often "swap ends" and fragment into pieces, each of which would generate its own wound track. The Soviets, when they designed their 5.45x39mm load for their AK74 assault rifles, used a variation on the theme: They designed an air pocket into the nose of the bullet, making it lighter relative to the rear half. That way, when the slug entered the target, it would switch ends, thereby making a larger and more-lethal wound channel. Going back further in history, the British created a similar effect by making the nose cone of their .303 round aluminum - which is much lighter than lead. It, too, used the "swapping ends" effect to its advantage.
@@GeorgiaBoy1961 waiting on your gel test videos to show this. Key holing and unstable flight is flight not terminal after contact effects. FMJ don't fragment unless hit bone and still only sometimes. Almost always pass through. 556 needs to have good shot placement for maximum lethality. Read military records from the last 20 years in Arabville. The cannellure has nothing to do with terminal ballistics. It is for staying in the casing better. You just making up your own story.
@@beenschmokin - That's a lot of logical and argumentative fallacies, poor reasoning and flat-out mistakes in just one paragraph. I got to hand it to you: Well-done! Really and truly... Oh, and don't forget to have a happy new year, OK??
@@beenschmokin- That's a whole lot of argumentative fallacies, poor reasoning and flat-out error to pack into just one paragraph... well done! Really and truly. Don't forget to have yourself a wonderful new year, OK?
The best all around ammo I can get my paws on down here in South Africa 🇿🇦 is the Federal Fusion 62 gr psp. Good barrier blind round but 55 gr PMC SP is fine for me and of course 5.56 55/62 gr is good too.
I've been thoroughly impressed by the pmc bronze 55g sp round. For a "budget" round there's litteraly zero competition in the softpoint world. I would KILL for them to make some heavier sp though, preferably 65g+ as well as increasing velocity. Lately I've been choosing to go with Speer Gold Dot 75 grain sp.
Most US Tier 1 units use a version of the Barnes 70gr TSX. The GMX bullet offered by Hornady is an all copper makeup, same as TSX loadings. All copper bullets are the BEST ALL around bullet design because they only expand upon entering soft tissue and retain 99% of there mass when passing thru barriers. The 70gr 5.56 projectile can be used out of short barrels or as an accurized round for longer engagements. It's the best blend of EVERYTHING. Older bullet designs like the Federal you mention is a traditional lead bullet with a copper core and they BOND the copper to the lead so it can be a barrier blind ammo. The problem with these designs is alot of the lead is left exposed at the nose and will lead to failures and jams in as little as 200 rnds. Go with the Barnes 70gr TSX loading in 5.56 OR the AAC Barnes TSX loading in 5.56, in 2024 it's the BEST loading BAR NONE.
I'm in the process of changing over from M855 to Hornady's Black 75gr. SBR round. It's been very difficult to find, and when found, there are usually '2 box/person' limits on purchase. UPDATE: Got 200 more rounds inbound from SG. UPDATE: Stock of Hornady BLACK 75gr SBR is up to 750rds. I'm supplimenting it with Speer 62gr Gold Dot LE.
Great info. The only thing against TAP urban are some real life shootings that showed lack of penetration being a major problem. It’s why we moved away from it where I’m at and moved to LE223T1 federal bonded SP.
Most bullets kill by forcing the target to bleed to death. If the bullet passes through the target it will bleed to death much faster than a target where the bullet remains inside. Once a bullet passes through anything, including drywall it begins to tumble. Most tests pack the drywall together like one thick board. That test is not the same as a real-life situation where the bullet tumbles and loses energy. I build target stands using 1/4-inch plywood. When a bullet strikes the plywood it hits the ground very quickly, even mighty calibers like the 300 win magnum. Bullets that do not hit the plywood travel much further, almost out of sight.
Thoughts of softpoint ammunition? I've seen great "results" I guess you could say from Speer Gold Dot 75 grain sp and 55g sp but I've noticed that they also advertise great weight retention which atleast to me means you're going to get zero fragmentation.
See, this right here is why one must re-research things on UA-cam. This video hadn't popped up the first 10 times I've researched this topic ... Just want to say, a 100 grain round had to be like a solid steel round or something right? Lolwtf xD
Late comment. Scientist here. Very good approach and fantastic this and your article shows replicates thus showing some random nature but has typical probability behavior.. Wonderful way to show how 'double tap' ie multiple shots are important. If you deem to suffer this subject again, how about the effect of twist rate? Lot of barrels now are 1x7, 1x8 vs original 1x12 and 1x9.
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I’ve had something like this happen with wolf ammo. It would rotate and fragment apart in flight. I won’t use it for anything besides burning ammo at the range
Started my son with 223 for deer and hogs, 60 gr through 64 gr soft point ammo drops deer with huge exit wounds and drops hogs where they stand. For me, home defense is hornady 55 gr vmax
It just occurred to me today to consider the 60 gr VMAX...to be just that slight bit more penetration and a maybe hold together slightly more. Although the 62 gr Gold Dot might be hard to argue against.
I’m an old fart, so I remember an article from about 30 years ago about the FBI(?) being concerned about over penetration from their MP5 9mm through drywall so they tested some alternatives. They discovered that 5.56 with a 40 gr. Hollow point did not maintain lethality past the second layer of drywall. They decided to try it. Awhile later when visiting a tweaker house with the single knock device, a big tweaker popped up from behind a bed pointing a pistol and was quickly double tapped. Happened so quick that only one of the double got him…..in the chest….and he disappeared. Fell straight down so fast the team member didn’t see which direction he went. The coroner later said he had never seen a bullet wound that he could stick his fist into. I don’t know the exact velocity of that 40 gr. but I think it confirms the effectiveness of hydrostatic shock on the central nervous system. I’m not sure if any ammo company still makes one.
Please for the love of god how can I get my hands on RELIABLE m855a1 source? I took a chance from this source that actually checked out pretty well and got completely bamboozled. Sent me army surplus M193 and never replied or responded back. I would forever be grateful for any help!
Even though it is unlikely that any of us would have to use a rifle in a home defense situation, simply stating the best is whatever you have available is ignorant. Especially when you can so easily and inexpensively purchase ammo that has a proven track record for ending a fight.
In the house we use the federal premium with the nosler ballistic tip. So we don't send rounds through walls. The federal fusion i put a lot of faith in and stacked up for shtf, with 55 gr. Ball. Any input on 10.5 to 12.5 barrel ammo choice
They don't use green tip to defeat body armor. It doesn't. The military uses the ammo they use because of the Hague Convention, not because it's better.
Some things have changed, but there has been no revolutionary change in bullet design that would make much of a change. Remember that even 7.62 did not out perform any of the 5.56 rounds.
@@Иванпонимаете-г4ш5.45 was made to meet a different requirement of capacity carried by individual soldiers extending resupply intervals in the countries of origin of that round.
What about "good old Remington Corelokt" in 223rem? We know how they work on coyotes and other animal, what are your thought about using this soft tip hunting ammo as home defense? That is, if it feeds reliably in your firearm, but it did in my AR before the great canadian ban.
Great content great article: I hear that according to the Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III militaries world wide are not supposed to use hollow point ammunition during Wartimes (which makes little since) so there are limits on ammunition that militaries are supposed to use and test.. just saying
@@John_Stabeezi you heard right, we adopted a 9mm 147 grain JHP. And we've been using MK262 for about 20 years which is a 77 grain OTM. They're not designed to expand but they very often do.
I don't believe there is no difference between rounds because m855 and m193 are literally the only commercially available projectiles you could use for a serious fire fight because literally everything that's not a steel core 62g and 55g fmj has some kind of mechanism to ensure expansion. There's no fmj rounds heavier than 55g except the greentips that is sold to the civilian market. A 3a vest will stop even 5 56 if it's a sp or hp so it's counter productive to even consider using them. The 1 7 twist rate is actually better with heavier bullets and everyone in the civilian market knows this but for some reason there no such thing as a 70g fmj. If they determined there is no difference them surely armor was not a factor and ya I can see anything going 3000 fps doing comparative damage to a human. The greentip also has a drawback or advantage I guess and that is it's fragmentation, it is better and going through a barrier but even if that barrier is soft the bullet will fragment dramatically and will actually travel through less say walls than a fmj because every wall that bullet breaks into smaller and smaller pieces. If your target is immediately behind a barrier then it's cool but if they are a distance from the barrier those fragments might not actually hit them. Except the new m855a1 does offer a distinct advantage and lead free.
From my experience, in a cqb situation, heavier, slower bullets do a better job. In all actuality .223 would be better for cqb than 5.56 because it is slower. In close quarters they will most likely just zip right through a target and not be able to fully dump it's energy and creating a smaller wound channel, doing less damage, requiring more shots to neutralize the threat.
No velocity increases the chance for yaw and increases the damage it does when it yaws. Low velocity is the reason that 5.56 tends to act more like AP .22lr at range (200-500). So short barrels and low pressure rounds will make it worse.
No, what the test of 7.62 shows is that their testing is very flawed. Common sense and the Army don’t always go together. I spent 18 years in an Army uniform. I know what I’m talking about. And so do the thousands of testers of ammo online, who ALL disagree with the test results you quote.
Are you joking lol m855A1 is absolutely devistating in soft tissue and barriers there is nothing available that’s supperior to it unless you go up to the 308 version, however as far as 7.62 x 39 lol not even close
@@eddiearchuleta615 If it’s so wonderful why do you think the seals and special ops teams are still using the MK 262, it’s has superior terminal performance over the M855A1!! If I remember correctly the MK 262 was the last thing to go through Osama Bin Ladens head!! If you think M855A1 is superior to MK 262 and 77 Grain TMK in anything other than barrier penetration your blindly mistaken. 855A1 was developed to improve wounding over M855 hence the 855A1 designation. A 62 grain has never outperformed a 77 grain in terminal performance.
@@427SuperSnake1, how many things have you killed with 262? It is accurate and might work well from short barrels, but I’ve found it to be overrated for terminal effect.
Very informative video. Military is constrained to using ball ammo and otm. As civilians we have soft points, hollow points, bonded and even monolithic.
I will stick with M855 green tips. I don't have Army research papers to back me up. Hopefully I will NEVER test them in a home defense situation. Regardless of the 5.56 round, if you hit your target, your target will not be happy. Ammo testing is starting get really boring.
Bro you recommend everyone on your channel to buy TAP ammo for home defense? You must be living under a rock. The TAP ammo is GONE. And this video was a waste of everyone’s time, and btw educate yourself. It’s not green tip it’s M855
Instead of ballistic gel, why not try some democrats. They're plentiful and easy to trick into standing downrange! ( To the NSA, FBI, CIA etc... Just kidding!)
Good overview.
One thing to remember guys, when you shoot at a bad guy in a home defense situation, they will take cover and concealment.
So be prepared to have your sectors of fire mapped out and then you can "shoot though concealment".
"Counter Assault Team" lmao
@RangeFinderz Yea that's what I use. I have all the good stuff like MK262, MK318, FBI "bear claw" and the bonded stuff will stay together through a barrier BUT M855 and especially M855a1 [buy on Gun Broker] does better.
I was Infantry w/ the 101st in the Iraq invasion 2003 looking for Saddam and his sons, etc. We'd get into a lot of CQB during the 2nd half in Mosul. That M855 performed really well, internet people talk shit but it's a good round.
@evanshall Yes it sounds nerdy and way too serious but planning this shit out before anything actually happens is important. Best to be prepared then wing it.
I was an Army Officer and did 9 yrs. Combat missions, CQB, training soldiers and tons of planning.
@@ussscounterassaultteam5790 What is your recommended brand and grain?
I’ve always heard that MK262 77 grain OTM is the gold standard of combat 5.56 and is the best of the best.
Heavy open tip match bullets are more accurate at long distances. And they have good fragmentation in animals they hit unobstructed into soft tissue. But they do not do well (they shatter) after hitting any obstruction, including walls, metal, trees, or bone.
Good Coyote round 😉
@@cjbecker1683 Agree. 77g OTM puts a "whoop"in on them dawgs. As long as the target is in an open field, ie shot does not have to go through brush, trees, etc., first.
Depends on what you're doing.
77 grain OTMs are among the top 2 projectiles for pure accuracy, being beaten only by 69 grain SMKs.
77 grain TMKs are actually superior in consistent damage on a soft target at longer range while still being very accurate.
The one shortcoming is that neither of these deal with light barriers very well.
Bonded soft points like federal fusion 62 grains perform well enough to drop deer, and bad guys in america while performing consistently even through a barrier. They're just nowhere near as accurate as OTMs at longer range.
There are tradeoffs with projectiles.
@@mghegotagun Yeah, I'm not doing any wide open, long range target shooting or hunting; and any self defense scenarios are going to be less than 100 yards, and may well involve some light barriers.
Been using 75g & 62g Speer Gold Dot 223 for about 6 years now for the ranch here. I was using imi M193 for the longest time until I took a whitetail about 6 years ago with a 75g speer gold dot factory loaded 223. Was absolutely impressed with the terminal ballistics on the 149ibs whitetail at just over 100 yards. He maybe ran 20 yards then dropped and was dead by the time I got to him. The 62g gdsp absolutely destroys the coyotes I've taken on my ranch.
@First_name_youtube_doesnt_like No, not at all! Varmint rounds on the AR platform are honestly the worst cartridge you can use for ANY kind of defensive purpose. There's some great videos here on UA-cam that prove this very point and even show comparisons through media like calibrated gel. Ultimately, the varmint round is completely designed around incapacitating smaller creatures up to a maximum of a 45ibs coyote. Their skin, organs and bone structure are almost opposite of our own. The human body is extremely resilient and can really take a high range of abuse while coyotes, jack rabbits, ground hogs, etc have thinner skin with much smaller organs that are situated much closer together inside their bodies. This is why the varmint rounds are designed to expand and / or fragment IMMEDIATELY once striking it's target which immediately dumps all of the rounds energy on the target. Since the targets are so small and built the way they are then proper penetration is almost unnecessary. There's a few great studies out there that go into great detail on what it takes to best dispose of human threat. While a varmint round can most certainly stop or erase someone, there's far, FAR more efficient cartridge designs out there to do so. With human anatomy, the best way to stop a threat is through crushing, violent force. Speaking specifically for 5.56 / 223, this is primarily achieved through high velocity and deep penetration. This is why M193 is so loved. When that little 55g fmj boat tail round impacts flesh it immediately begins to yaw and tumble which absolutely crushes flesh and allows the energy to continue further through the body where the round will begin to fragment at the right depth where vital organs sit. Varmint rounds do horrible when going up against human bone. Personally, my favorite AR platform, defensive cartridge is the Speer Gold Dot 223 bonded softpoint. Since the copper jacket is molecularly bonded to the lead core the round will violently expand without fragmentation which allows the bullet to carry it's energy and expansion much deeper through flesh and bone.... There's some great videos on UA-cam showing the rounds abilities too! Hopefully this has been insightful! I enjoy this topic very much 😊
If you want good terminal ballistics, check out 77 and 75gr tmk. I saw a conversation on a hunting forum with it a few years back. Some of the pictures posted blew me away. I gave it a try and never looked back.
@@goawaybaizuo I absolutely love the 55g adi tmk that I've used in the past. One of the most accurate rounds I've found in 223/556. Had no idea there were tmk's heavy for caliber. I'll definitely be checking them out!
Where did you find the 75gr .223 loads?
I’ve scoured the internet for them and every single website is out of stock.
@@toxxtalks_sidequests They're very tough to find. Before my last order I would check ammoseek DAILY by using their filters on the website. Was able to scoop up 200rds last time it was available. Just keep checking, they'll pop up again. Be sure to only use reputable websites.
Very enlightening. This largely explains the inconsistent performance of FMJ rounds in general. For home defense, I currently load 55gr SP. I've also been impressed by the instant bullet upset of hot loaded HPs in pistol caliber carbine. With either ammo, I'm probably ill-prepared for an armored attacker but as a home defender, I'll take that risk. Ya makes your choices...
Another UA-camr, High Desert Tactical, posted a video intended to show the "horrible overpenetration" of 5.56 V-max ammo. By his third test, he finally got it right. The "biologic" target was placed in front of sheetrock and the bullet expended virtually all energy in the "attacker" failing to penetrate the first layer of sheetrock behind him. As a home defender, that is fine by me. Only when a round missed the attacker and struck wall material first did it "overpenetrate". If I cannot hit an attacker inside 10 yards with a rifle, I should probably hang it up.
Exactly. Rifle and pistol round actually penetrate interior structures very similarly. Good training, and decision making is what makes the difference.
Inaccurate… most recent tragedy when a criminal ran from cops and ran into offsutys’s house… the responding dlonduty shot the off duty by mistake three times, only two rounds hit him within 10 yards.
@@bigdog4574 Not sure what point you're trying to make.
This is the info I’m looking for. I want to be able to hit a target and not worry about it going through multiple walls into the kids room or something.
@@bigdog4574 He definitely should have hung it up. And by now I'd think you know civilians are way more trained than police. Guys who go to the range and shoot twice a month are better off than a cop with a yearly qualifier and no training requirement.
I was searching for this type of info and literally clicked on this video cos y’alls logo is the Aquila from Warhammer 40K. Stayed for the content, cos it’s well researched and presented.
Very informative! Brand new firearm owner here, first firearm being a ruger ar15. Actually signed up for safety and proper use class that I'm really looking forward to starting next week! Good to know what ammo to look for in home defense, ty for the video!
Glad you liked the video. Have fun at your class!
Ryan, where do you live? I’m curious as signing up for classes outside of Hunter safety is not normal in my area
@@kennethmitchell2785 I live in the communist state of Maryland. Lol, it's not that bad... Atleast not yet BUT the rules here are completely asinine when it comes to firearms.... I'll give a brief rundown of what I mean.... When it comes to anything and I mean ANYTHING, "except for full auto of course", over 16" barrel there's zero action or reporting that has to be done on your part with the state. All you have to do is pass a background for the supplier unless it's a private sale which has even less regulations. So I can go and purchase an AR every day of the week for an entire year and not have to do anything other than take them home and enjoy.... But when it comes to ANYTHING under 16" is the fun part, sarcasm most certainly included. You must first take the time and money to go and get your fingerprints electronically processed with the state. Once you get all that fun stuff done and wait on all your paperwork you can now take the time to find a licensed instructor to go to a 4 to 8 hour class showing you know all the safety aspects of a firearm as well as a live drill of you loading a pistol and accurately and safely firing on target. Once you pass you are not granted you HQL. You can't purchase ANYTHING under 16" without an HQL. Once you've waited a good 2-3 months to receive your HQL back from the state you get the opportunity to finally purchase a firearm that shouldn't be restricted from your God given constitutional rights but hey, gotta play by the rules to stay as far away from any kind of federal charge possible.... Anyways, the fun is still FAR from over.... Hopefully you're still with me at this point because this is when the real sillyness begins. Once you've picked out what you want you then have to make sure said firearm is on the MARYLAND APPROVED LIST OF FIREARMS. Once that's been checked off you now have to sit with the dealer and fill out a 5 dollar application for Maryland stating what your purchasing and from where which comes back quickly and then you can pay for your firearm..... But guess what.... YOU STILL DON'T GET TO TAKE HER HOME! You now must wait a minimum 7 days before you can go back and garnish your purchase BUT ONLY IF Maryland emails you your acceptance letter, which is easy to receive after 7 days if you've done everything correctly but what's funny is the way they word your approval letter.... It states that you, "your name" for example, "The citizen of Maryland, Mr. Chucky Charles the third, has NOT BEEN DISSAPROVED in request of ownership for said firearm." They don't dare say that you ARE approved.... They keep it very liberal and like to let you know who holds the real power over the situation.... But finally.... FINALLY you can take your baby home with you, to love and care for.... But.... Somethings still not right.... Hmmm.... SHE'S NOT WHOLE! WTF IS THIS?!? Why did my 17+1 round Gen 5 glock 17 come with only 10 round magazines?!? What gives here?!? The ownership and use of full and large capacity magazines are 100% LEGAL to own and operate in the state of Maryland yet they botched my baby and gave her stubs for arms and legs! This is where the last loop hole lies.... While yes, like I said it's 100% legal to own and operate with full capacity magazines, even 30rd mags for my AR, it's ILLEGAL to purchase or to be sold in the state of Maryland....Luckily I'm just a 20 minute ride from both Pennsylvania and West Virginia. Hop over into the more free state, purchase what should have never been limited in the first place and legally bring them over state lines.... But hold up.... You see a shiny new gun that's on sale at a price point that just can't be refused! I MUST HAVE! Oh.... But wait.... I have to wait 30 days time from last purchase before I can legally start this wild and whacky ride all from the point of after receiving the HQL again..... What's truly sad is that I've been a law abiding and upstanding citizen that has the right to defend myself with whatever I see fit yet I'm highly regulated in doing so all the while the bad guys who want my shiny new TV can go out and get a burner gun, threaten me and my family's life over silly possessions and leave the victor and getting a slap on the wrist when caught..... I swear we're living in a simulation....
@@TerminalM193 #AuthoritarianState.
@@kennethmitchell2785 also, to reiterate.... The class was not only safety oriented but also on gun training. It was alot of the basics type stuff with alot of awesome efficiency drills.
Wow! excellent info on the yaw after 5.56 leaves the barrel. That really explains why 5.56 FMJ always performs well on gel at 5 yards yet soldiers complain about it's legality in theatre. Real shame the most informative channels like yours aren't the most popular.
Great video man, very informative. I appreciate the references to valid studies. Everyone has an opinion but the facts are the facts. Much easier to make a decision off solid information. Thanks for making this.
The research is just numbers on paper. The facts would be the number of enemy combatants dispatched with the venerable 223 cartridge of the standard US military infantry rifle!
@@brianfischer5609 the best round for combat isn't always going to be the best round for home defence in a suburban setting. Modern technology allows bullets to be designed for specific purposes.
For hand loads, 60gr. Vmax is what those urban TAP rounds use. And 75gr BTHP and TAC powder to clone the heavy TAP rounds.
I actually hand loaded 60gr V-Max at a mild velocity so it doesn't just explode, 10 feet to 50 yards it comes apart but still has plenty left over that ends up in a nice mushroom. Nice and accurate also.
Great info 👍
Give me m193 from a 16" or 20" barrel out to 200 yards and that's pretty hard to beat for the price vs effectiveness ratio. Mk262 is the best I have seen but it costs 4x what m193 costs. It's really when you get into shorter barells that m193, m855 falls off and you need to look at other options.
I wouldn't argue with that.
Mk318 mod 1
@@eliasaamot573 SS109 is what Belgium designed for adoption by NATO. M855 is the same cartridge, it's just what we named the round in our inventory. They're the same thing.
Late reply, but the Nosler 77gr and Hornady 75gr projectiles are much, much more consistent than the Sierra@@eliasaamot573
Funny, Vietnam the 5.56 did well (ask the NVA not tactical guys). The NVA actually preferred the 5.56 and would have used it had it been available to them. 20" barrels provided the velocity and 1:12 twist provided the yaw and instability of the round when hitting flesh.
The very first M16's sent to Viet Nam actually were 1:14 twist.
Can confirm. My uncle's barber was ex-NVA and he told him once they traded 12 chickens for a captured m16 one time but they got scammed because it had no magazine
You said right from the beginning: shot placement most important factor for any round.
Pretty much can’t go wrong with and bonded 62gr SP in the civilian world. It’s what was loaded John Moses Browning’s bedside ar15 for sure
Cool to see those guys using a 1911, too. Great video. Thanks
I am all about the heavy OTM’s.. Black Hills, Hornady, and many others manufacture some great heavy OTM’s. For when I need I combo of barrier blind ammo and a terminal performer I am looking at monolithic projectiles.
Can believe you only have 3k in subs. Keep putting out regular high quality vids and your subs will increase. Got to pick at least 1 day a week that you always release a new video. 2 days a week in the same 2 days is much better, but have to be consistent and regular......
What they did not include was BC and its effects on effective distance of legality. High BC heavier rounds extend lethal distances fairly measurably. It's statistically significant...
You tried
Some criticism:
Insufficient information is presented about the Army study which seems to be the basis of many of the conclusions here, such that no conclusions may be reached about its quality nor data compared with other studies.
The chart at 5:41 conveys no meaningful information because we do not know what constitutes "lethality" in that study and we don't even know which projectiles or commercial loadings are being used, as they are redacted, to make the data comparable with other testing.
A few contentions:
Bullet yaw in the ballistic phase is not an intrinsic or consistent feature of 5.56 ammunition. It is also NOT a desirable behavior as it introduces a number of shot-to-shot variables, which lead to poor dispersion and unpredictable terminal performance. It is present only when imperfections in the projectile, the barrel's rifling, or in the assembly of the individual cartridge cause it to present after firing.
Previous work has noted the effects of angle of attack on yaw depth, but also discovered that certain projectiles would yaw more reliably and sooner after penetration regardless of angle of attack on impact, such as the Hornady 75gr and Nosler 77gr projectiles. Notably, the Sierra Matchking 77gr projectile, selected for use with MK262Mod1, showed inconsistent yaw depth, very dependent upon angle of attack, similar to M855 ball.
It's important to note that Barrier penetration is NOT synonymous with armor penetration, as barrier penetrating "bonded" projectiles offer no improved armor penetrating characteristics.
It's important to note that 5.56/.223 varmint projectiles consistently show poor penetration in testing designed to ensure target incapacitation. Namely, they often fail to penetrate deeply enough through bodily tissue to ensure the projectile could pass through vital organs if they first struck a target's arms, entered at oblique angles, etc. Because of this, they are not recommended for defensive use.
More in depth research is available by searching the works of Doctor Martin Fackler and Doctor Gary Roberts. Dr. Fackler birthed the modern study of terminal ballistics and invented calibrated testing with ballistic gelatin alongside testing performed on euthanized goats. Dr. Roberts' work on terminal ballistics and armor behavior influenced major US institutions to improve their study of terminal ballistics and body armor materials.
I have seen very different performance using different 5.56 rounds hunting deer, regarding damage to vital organs. Bullet construction can and does negate the effects of fleet yaw, which is what you are describing. MK318 SOST, M855A1, and a few other rounds are now used by our military which are not sensitive to it in any meaningful way, and which have improved terminal effect.
Military uses steel core ball for cost and penetration of hard targets. The magical cartwheeling bullet doesn't exist. It goes straight through unless hitting bone and deflecting. Endless gel tests show no cartwheeling bullet. Many SF units have access to a 77gr OTM special load as it's much much more accurate. Rifles are a joke for home defense. People trying to compensate for lack of, as in zero, training with a rifle over a handgun.
@@beenschmokin Re: "The magical cartwheeling bullet doesn't exist."
That depends on what you mean by the term "cartwheeling"... rifle bullets as a rule are heavier in the rearmost portion of the projectile, lighter in the frontmost portion of it. Under normal circumstances, an unspun projectile of this kind would want to "swap ends," so that the heaviest portion is front-most.
What prevents this from occurring is the barrel rifling and enormous rate of spin on the slug and the gyroscopic stability it imparts. Specifically, what physicists call the "right hand rule," if you care to explore it further. A force vector is generated along an axis perpendicular to the spin of the object. If the bullet is spun clockwise, then down the long axis of the projectile forwards, and so on.
When a bullet's velocity and rate of spin degrade enough, far away enough from the muzzle, it will begin to lose gyroscopic stability due to the lessening of this effect. This reduction can also come about due to encountering a barrier or target which rapidly degrades its spin and forward motion, such as a living game animal or in the case of a military load, an enemy soldier.
The original M193 55-grain load was in fact designed around this sequence of events. Eugene Stoner and his team increased the lethality of the .224-caliber slug by giving it a crimping groove or cannelure, and when the bullet hit and entered an enemy soldier's body, it would often "swap ends" and fragment into pieces, each of which would generate its own wound track.
The Soviets, when they designed their 5.45x39mm load for their AK74 assault rifles, used a variation on the theme: They designed an air pocket into the nose of the bullet, making it lighter relative to the rear half. That way, when the slug entered the target, it would switch ends, thereby making a larger and more-lethal wound channel.
Going back further in history, the British created a similar effect by making the nose cone of their .303 round aluminum - which is much lighter than lead. It, too, used the "swapping ends" effect to its advantage.
@@GeorgiaBoy1961 waiting on your gel test videos to show this. Key holing and unstable flight is flight not terminal after contact effects. FMJ don't fragment unless hit bone and still only sometimes. Almost always pass through. 556 needs to have good shot placement for maximum lethality. Read military records from the last 20 years in Arabville. The cannellure has nothing to do with terminal ballistics. It is for staying in the casing better. You just making up your own story.
@@beenschmokin - That's a lot of logical and argumentative fallacies, poor reasoning and flat-out mistakes in just one paragraph. I got to hand it to you: Well-done! Really and truly... Oh, and don't forget to have a happy new year, OK??
@@beenschmokin- That's a whole lot of argumentative fallacies, poor reasoning and flat-out error to pack into just one paragraph... well done! Really and truly. Don't forget to have yourself a wonderful new year, OK?
All the SEAL guys say 77 Black Hills OTM is what drops enemy combatants. Air Strikes and drone attacks work for everything else
The best all around ammo I can get my paws on down here in South Africa 🇿🇦 is the Federal Fusion 62 gr psp. Good barrier blind round but 55 gr PMC SP is fine for me and of course 5.56 55/62 gr is good too.
I've been thoroughly impressed by the pmc bronze 55g sp round. For a "budget" round there's litteraly zero competition in the softpoint world. I would KILL for them to make some heavier sp though, preferably 65g+ as well as increasing velocity. Lately I've been choosing to go with Speer Gold Dot 75 grain sp.
Stay safe there in SA. Looks crazy right now
@@declineofthewest. Thanks 🙏🏻. Yesterday was another stressful day of marches in the city.
62 grain xm556fbit3 round out of 16” barrel with 1:8 or 1:7 twist.
Trophy bonded bear claw for the win
That’s a gnarly bullet.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 oh yes, yes it is.
Most US Tier 1 units use a version of the Barnes 70gr TSX. The GMX bullet offered by Hornady is an all copper makeup, same as TSX loadings. All copper bullets are the BEST ALL around bullet design because they only expand upon entering soft tissue and retain 99% of there mass when passing thru barriers.
The 70gr 5.56 projectile can be used out of short barrels or as an accurized round for longer engagements. It's the best blend of EVERYTHING.
Older bullet designs like the Federal you mention is a traditional lead bullet with a copper core and they BOND the copper to the lead so it can be a barrier blind ammo. The problem with these designs is alot of the lead is left exposed at the nose and will lead to failures and jams in as little as 200 rnds.
Go with the Barnes 70gr TSX loading in 5.56 OR the AAC Barnes TSX loading in 5.56, in 2024 it's the BEST loading BAR NONE.
I'm in the process of changing over from M855 to Hornady's Black 75gr. SBR round. It's been very difficult to find, and when found, there are usually '2 box/person' limits on purchase.
UPDATE: Got 200 more rounds inbound from SG.
UPDATE: Stock of Hornady BLACK 75gr SBR is up to 750rds. I'm supplimenting it with Speer 62gr Gold Dot LE.
Good choice FMJ is no good for men not bind by the Hauge/Geneva. Soft Points reign king.
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ I've been buying what was available and affordable. Still am.
64gr Nosler bonded pills do really well from 16” and 20” . No experience with shorter barrels and that round . I use 75gr or 77gr in my “pistols”.
The Army.. The Army… meanwhile showing mostly Jarheads. 😂. Thanks it’s still good info.
Great info. The only thing against TAP urban are some real life shootings that showed lack of penetration being a major problem. It’s why we moved away from it where I’m at and moved to LE223T1 federal bonded SP.
I have always tried to figure out why agencies like the 55 grain when you can have 62 or even 75 grain SP’s that tend to be a little more accurate.
@@427SuperSnake1 agencies typically are using m16a1s with 1/12 barrels in addition to 1/7 rifles.
@@tstieson2012 Ya I suppose twist rate does matter, all of mine are 1/7 so I don’t even really think about other rifles being 1/12 or 1/9..
Look into these new aac black tip 72gr or 62 or 55 they say for defense
Most bullets kill by forcing the target to bleed to death. If the bullet passes through the target it will bleed to death much faster than a target where the bullet remains inside. Once a bullet passes through anything, including drywall it begins to tumble. Most tests pack the drywall together like one thick board. That test is not the same as a real-life situation where the bullet tumbles and loses energy. I build target stands using 1/4-inch plywood. When a bullet strikes the plywood it hits the ground very quickly, even mighty calibers like the 300 win magnum. Bullets that do not hit the plywood travel much further, almost out of sight.
Chau Doc
i like the fort scott munitions brass bullet TUI 5.56
Recommendations
Hornady 55 grn GMX
Hornady TAP Urban
Federal Tactical 62 grn LE
Lol leave it to the government to say a green tip bullet is just as good as a gold dot😂
Thoughts of softpoint ammunition? I've seen great "results" I guess you could say from Speer Gold Dot 75 grain sp and 55g sp but I've noticed that they also advertise great weight retention which atleast to me means you're going to get zero fragmentation.
See, this right here is why one must re-research things on UA-cam. This video hadn't popped up the first 10 times I've researched this topic ...
Just want to say, a 100 grain round had to be like a solid steel round or something right? Lolwtf xD
Late comment. Scientist here. Very good approach and fantastic this and your article shows replicates thus showing some random nature but has typical probability behavior.. Wonderful way to show how 'double tap' ie multiple shots are important. If you deem to suffer this subject again, how about the effect of twist rate? Lot of barrels now are 1x7, 1x8 vs original 1x12 and 1x9.
Pretty cool. I have plenty of flavors of 5.56. One of which is a Swedish 50gr semi-jacketed tungsten powder munition.
What the hell is that?! You've got me curious now. Who makes such a thing and where can I find info?
Very in depth conversation on a merky subject. Great info!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The way I get around that is I use a 357sig and 12ga with buckshot for home defense😮
I like research! Thanks for the data and analysis.
Any time!
Thanks for the in depth analysis. Yawl come back now. 😂
55/60gr Softpoints, Ballistic Tips And Frangible Ammo Are Great Choices For Home Defense As Well!
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@@eliasaamot573 I'll have whatever you're on, bud.
@@eliasaamot573 what round do you recommend for all around defense/cqb/upTo300?
I’ve had something like this happen with wolf ammo. It would rotate and fragment apart in flight. I won’t use it for anything besides burning ammo at the range
Awesome content! Thanks for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I use the CONTROL CHAOS from Underwood.
1 well placed shot
Liked and leaving a comment for future AR 15 owners like me.
Started my son with 223 for deer and hogs, 60 gr through 64 gr soft point ammo drops deer with huge exit wounds and drops hogs where they stand. For me, home defense is hornady 55 gr vmax
It just occurred to me today to consider the 60 gr VMAX...to be just that slight bit more penetration and a maybe hold together slightly more. Although the 62 gr Gold Dot might be hard to argue against.
er...if you could find it. VMAX it is.
Brad, what length barrel u using?
Speer 223 55 grain soft points and Hornady TAP 55 grain barrier in 556
let me know if you see any Speer ever come available, please?
@@ShastaBeanI have seen it available on GunBroker but a bit over priced.. PSA has had some good ammo deals on there AAC ammo
Boat tail bullets minimize the yaw effect of a bullet with better stabilization in flight!😉
This man knows his stuff!
Only beyond 50 yards test have proven, otherwise it yaws quickly in shorter ranges.
Speer Duty Rifle. 14” of penetration and expands dramatically and retains weight.
I’m an old fart, so I remember an article from about 30 years ago about the FBI(?)
being concerned about over penetration from their MP5 9mm through drywall so they tested some alternatives. They discovered that 5.56 with a 40 gr. Hollow point did not maintain lethality past the second layer of drywall. They decided to try it. Awhile later when visiting a tweaker house with the single knock device, a big tweaker popped up from behind a bed pointing a pistol and was quickly double tapped. Happened so quick that only one of the double got him…..in the chest….and he disappeared.
Fell straight down so fast the team member didn’t see which direction he went. The coroner later said he had never seen a bullet wound that he could stick his fist into. I don’t know the exact velocity of that 40 gr. but I think it confirms the effectiveness of hydrostatic shock on the central nervous system.
I’m not sure if any ammo company still makes one.
Please turn gain up on mic or project more. Good info hard to hear/listen to.
I miss the MK 318 MOD 1. I wish it was still available. 🥺
M855A1 xm556sbct3 ra556b or blackhills 50 grain tsx those are all the flavors I use all around can’t go wrong with either
Please for the love of god how can I get my hands on RELIABLE m855a1 source? I took a chance from this source that actually checked out pretty well and got completely bamboozled. Sent me army surplus M193 and never replied or responded back. I would forever be grateful for any help!
Never use TAP Urban ever, it only exists because PD chiefs are politicians, not ballisticians.
Don’t tell me what to do.
Why?
The Best 5.56 Round for CQB and Home Defense: Whatever round you have available.
That's what I'm sayin
You worked hard on it
Even though it is unlikely that any of us would have to use a rifle in a home defense situation, simply stating the best is whatever you have available is ignorant. Especially when you can so easily and inexpensively purchase ammo that has a proven track record for ending a fight.
In the house we use the federal premium with the nosler ballistic tip. So we don't send rounds through walls. The federal fusion i put a lot of faith in and stacked up for shtf, with 55 gr. Ball. Any input on 10.5 to 12.5 barrel ammo choice
They don't use green tip to defeat body armor. It doesn't. The military uses the ammo they use because of the Hague Convention, not because it's better.
Man I find that hard to believe but in 2022 with the bullet technology and copper bullets that test would be different
How about Hornady Black 75gr Interlock HD SBR?
Question, since 2008 commercial 556/223 ammo has changed quite a bit. Technology has improved. Is this 2008 army study still hold up?
Some things have changed, but there has been no revolutionary change in bullet design that would make much of a change. Remember that even 7.62 did not out perform any of the 5.56 rounds.
@TierThreeTactical do you think 5.45 is superior?
@@Иванпонимаете-г4ш5.45 was made to meet a different requirement of capacity carried by individual soldiers extending resupply intervals in the countries of origin of that round.
What about "good old Remington Corelokt" in 223rem?
We know how they work on coyotes and other animal, what are your thought about using this soft tip hunting ammo as home defense?
That is, if it feeds reliably in your firearm, but it did in my AR before the great canadian ban.
Great info brother !! TX
Any time!
Great content great article: I hear that according to the Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III militaries world wide are not supposed to use hollow point ammunition during Wartimes (which makes little since) so there are limits on ammunition that militaries are supposed to use and test.. just saying
I heard America ain't signed sheet
@@John_Stabeezi you heard right, we adopted a 9mm 147 grain JHP. And we've been using MK262 for about 20 years which is a 77 grain OTM. They're not designed to expand but they very often do.
What about for Call of Duty?
55 grain vmax
Thanks for the video
Very informative. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I don't believe there is no difference between rounds because m855 and m193 are literally the only commercially available projectiles you could use for a serious fire fight because literally everything that's not a steel core 62g and 55g fmj has some kind of mechanism to ensure expansion. There's no fmj rounds heavier than 55g except the greentips that is sold to the civilian market. A 3a vest will stop even 5 56 if it's a sp or hp so it's counter productive to even consider using them. The 1 7 twist rate is actually better with heavier bullets and everyone in the civilian market knows this but for some reason there no such thing as a 70g fmj. If they determined there is no difference them surely armor was not a factor and ya I can see anything going 3000 fps doing comparative damage to a human. The greentip also has a drawback or advantage I guess and that is it's fragmentation, it is better and going through a barrier but even if that barrier is soft the bullet will fragment dramatically and will actually travel through less say walls than a fmj because every wall that bullet breaks into smaller and smaller pieces. If your target is immediately behind a barrier then it's cool but if they are a distance from the barrier those fragments might not actually hit them.
Except the new m855a1 does offer a distinct advantage and lead free.
Any thoughts on SS109?
So to be clear this study is with m16a4's aka 20" barrels, this result WILL be different with a 10.3, 14.5 etc
No the test was done with all issued barrels including the 10.3, 14.5, 18, and 20
*55gr M193 5.56mmfor home defense.* I have not watched the video yet.
Great info brother. TX
No problem 👍
From my experience, in a cqb situation, heavier, slower bullets do a better job. In all actuality .223 would be better for cqb than 5.56 because it is slower. In close quarters they will most likely just zip right through a target and not be able to fully dump it's energy and creating a smaller wound channel, doing less damage, requiring more shots to neutralize the threat.
No velocity increases the chance for yaw and increases the damage it does when it yaws. Low velocity is the reason that 5.56 tends to act more like AP .22lr at range (200-500). So short barrels and low pressure rounds will make it worse.
Thank you 😊
77 grain razor core filled with mercury . They ain’t never coming back 😈👍
Most excellent and informative video! Thank you for the great and well explained information!
Trick question. It's a 300 BLK round
They found nothing AKA we dont care to change corporate contracts and cost defense contractors loss
75 grain tap rounds and imi 77 grain
#RLTW
No, what the test of 7.62 shows is that their testing is very flawed. Common sense and the Army don’t always go together. I spent 18 years in an Army uniform. I know what I’m talking about.
And so do the thousands of testers of ammo online, who ALL disagree with the test results you quote.
It really doesn't matter to the person getting shot!
855a1… but it probably won’t matter.
M855 better for barrier and shorter barrel.
Yaw... I still like 1 in 8 or even 1 in 12. 3 round burst ftw
Underwood 62gr Controlled Chaos. DRT.
77 tmk
70+ gr
TBBC
M855A1
It has nothing on commercially available rounds.. Good for the military but there are far superior rounds available to you and I commercially.
Are you joking lol m855A1 is absolutely devistating in soft tissue and barriers there is nothing available that’s supperior to it unless you go up to the 308 version, however as far as 7.62 x 39 lol not even close
@@eddiearchuleta615 If it’s so wonderful why do you think the seals and special ops teams are still using the MK 262, it’s has superior terminal performance over the M855A1!! If I remember correctly the MK 262 was the last thing to go through Osama Bin Ladens head!! If you think M855A1 is superior to MK 262 and 77 Grain TMK in anything other than barrier penetration your blindly mistaken. 855A1 was developed to improve wounding over M855 hence the 855A1 designation. A 62 grain has never outperformed a 77 grain in terminal performance.
@@427SuperSnake1, how many things have you killed with 262? It is accurate and might work well from short barrels, but I’ve found it to be overrated for terminal effect.
@@caseybrown5183 Overated on what? So many reports of real world use of MK262 and it has always been a performer.
00 buck would work 🤷🏻♂️
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I think Ukraine has shown that Russian armor is pretty poor. At least the stuff worn by infantry units.
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Why use military data? As civilians we can use what we want.
Because we are looking to see what stops that's the best and make our own choices.
Very informative video. Military is constrained to using ball ammo and otm. As civilians we have soft points, hollow points, bonded and even monolithic.
75-77gr gang
I will stick with M855 green tips. I don't have Army research papers to back me up. Hopefully I will NEVER test them in a home defense situation. Regardless of the 5.56 round, if you hit your target, your target will not be happy. Ammo testing is starting get really boring.
Mk 318 mod 1.
Bro you recommend everyone on your channel to buy TAP ammo for home defense? You must be living under a rock. The TAP ammo is GONE. And this video was a waste of everyone’s time, and btw educate yourself. It’s not green tip it’s M855
You don’t know shyt
Instead of ballistic gel, why not try some democrats. They're plentiful and easy to trick into standing downrange!
( To the NSA, FBI, CIA etc... Just kidding!)