The Science of Tuning - Trombone Edition
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- Опубліковано 6 тра 2017
- As a follow up to my recent upload "The Science Of Brass Tuning" I present this video showing how this applies specifically to trombones.
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Trent, this was an extremely educational video for someone looking into getting a trigger trombone. Thank you! It's extremely nice to know that if I depress the trigger on a tenor trombone with an F attachment that I should expect to need to flatten whatever slide position I am playing.
Hi There Yes. The lucky thing about that is that you don't often have to go beyond T2 in most band music. I mainly use it to substitute for 6th and 7th position.
@@euphgeek You sometimes also have to use it if you play really low notes, although if you play tenor you don`t really have that problem as much as with a bass trombone of course.
Euphonium tuning instructions: tune each valve to the 3rd note in the series, and hope that you never have to play low notes
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Can you word that better?
@@bun-bun5623 it’s a 3 year old comment lol.
I was just joking that euphoniums are rather easy to tune, yet finicky. Get the third partial notes tuned - Bb3, A3, Ab3, G3 - and then stay away from the low range because the euphonium’s low range is pretty wonky
I already knew I had to lower alot to be in tune, but I never knew exactly why. Great video!
Ok, i go back to playing the recorder....
My 84 year old dad has been playing trombone since his teens. He has always talked about needing to use different slide positions when using triggers, it wasn't a secret or a surprise back then. In December 2022 for his birthday I bought him a JP Rath Eb Alto trombone, he's having great fun learning the slide positions on that (and says it only has 6 despite the manufacturer claiming 7). I keep threatening to get him an F contra double trigger, but mum says he's not allowed any more trombones in the house since he already has 4 (which includes a Bb Soprano which realistically is a toy).
Man, I love your videos. They are well prepared and very informative. Thanks a lot, and keep it up!
What about the slide wistle? Clearly the best trombone.
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As a lover and player of all things trombone, I heartily approve this message.
@@xHadesStamps @live away in a manger born again alive
The only cool woodwind, only due to its resemblance to a brass instrument
Another excellent video. Well presented and structured, and very informative. Thanks mate.
Thank you for these informative videos. I find them just fascinating.
Nice video, although I'm not sure you interpreted our trombonist comments in your other video correctly. It's not that we don't need to know the tuning stuff, but that we _already knew about it_ as we have been compensating via adjusting our slide positions all the time since picking up our instrument ;).
That said, your video might save trombone teachers a lot of time in explaining this stuff to new students (or autodidacts like me time in picking that stuff up from all over places). Well done.
Sascha Rambeaud Unfortunately, most kids who learn trombone in a school band don't learn from an actual trombone player, and so don't learn this until they've already developed all sorts of bad habits. Such is life!
The point is not that trombonists don’t need to compensate, it’s that the slide is a nearly perfect way to do that. The rest of the video can be summarized by “trigger = valve”.
Mate, I love your videos!
Great video. Really useful. Thanks Trent.
I always view the trigger attachment as a second lower pitched trombone, like your G bass, and since the slide does not change length I am missing the lower positions when I engage the trigger.
Amazing and very useful information !!!!
At last, the "light bulb moment". 3 years after moving from straight Tenor to dual-valve bass it suddenly makes sense.
Give me a shout if you ever come over to (old) South Wales and I'll buy you a beer!
My trombone teacher showed me a similar way to what you used in teaching me about the attachments
I think i'll start playing the bagpipes so I can avoid all of this. They don't worry about the concept of being in tune. They are the only instrument that sounds better the further away they get. However they are woodwind. In Te Awamutu the pipe band even plays drums in Christmas carols. Please! Have they no morals at all?
Same logic as my banjo. "I bought it tuned!"
Oh yes they do, it’s just far more acceptable in amateur groups when you’re not, and practice chanters don’t need to be in tune at all.
@@cmw12 bagpipes are a very silly invention. Trying to be the whole band played by one person.
My mother was a grade 2 competitive and professional bagpiper before changing careers and she could spend fifteen minutes tuning up before a gig.
Excellent!
So what notes should we tune to if we have a trigger?
Ear is important, but I find that trombone is much more difficult with intonation because you correct intonation problems with the slide and not your lips so it's much more difficult to adjust into place.
I looked and it lowers it an octave thank you
I missed your vids trent
Finally I undertand why F + Gb = D Thank you!
Thanks good video
What is the name of your non-trigger tenor trombone used here?
Thank you for your videos, Im retired and back into my trombones now.
Hey Trent, does this mean all notes in the third partial have to be played with the slide a little out, and so on?
Leo Yes, but it's best to develop your ear skills to the point where you don't have to think about it anymore.
Thank you Justin!
What is the name of the Effect at the intro? Not the song itself.
teach me how to transition from a tuba with 3 valves to 4 because I want to learn how to do it but I do not have a 4 valve tuba to practice with
4th valve is an easier fingering for 1 and 3, so for C you use 4 and B natural 4 and 2. It's a bit more in tune too.
Here is Maurice André in Telemann concerto in D. Notice how he juggles the first valve to flatten the tone, so it hits the tone beneith the tone that the valves should indicate. Now trombones are in this respect more complicated because each note has a different place according to the numbers of triggers.
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Hey I saw that you are using a heavy top on your bass and I was wondering if you would recommend I get one for playing 1st chair tenor bone?
It's not a heavytop mouthpiece, it's a Denis Wick 0AL, which I certainly do not recommend for 1st chair tenor.
Thank you do you have any recommendations for a good mouth piece if I am already on a Back 5G and I play 4th chair in my school's jazz band.
Sam Bloodsworth try Denis Wick 2AL. It works great for me. A buddy of me used Denis Wick 3AL good enough. If you have a bass trombone you may like 1AL for the 4th bone part, but bigger mouthpieces need more effort up high.
i think you misspoke and said the partial under high Bb was Bb (the ultra flat Ab, i think you were thinking in Bb treble clef)
In other words, at 1:43 into the video, he should have said Ab is extremely flat, instead of Bb is extremely flat.
A small and obvious slip in a well-presented, complex lesson.
Yes - you're right. You'll notice on screen I have a 'Ab' written.
trexkiller oh yeah, definitely an amazingly prepared for and well done video, just nitpicking rn so there's no confusion. He did even accurately put Ab as the right note in the chart, like he said.
Wha tenor trombone is that
Trom yes!!!
2:22 😂😂😂
I have seen an A# second valve bass trombone and it is independent rotor is this weird
And it has the first valve in F
A#=Bb, so the second trigger either lowers the pitch by an octave (which would have to have over 2.5m of tubing) or does absolutely nothing at all.
Where did you get a 3047AF?
I bought it a while back on an auction site. The instrument was in appalling condition though. I had to strip it right down and clean everything to make it work properly. I'm going to be doing a review on it in the near future.
2 cents sharp can't really be called "out" of tune. That is not detectable by human ears.
So i think it's fair to say that both the octaves and the fifths are IN tune
13 cents sure and 31 very easily though.
This is just the theory. In the real world individual instruments can make this much more dramatic.
Double TRIGGERED!! trombone
do euphonium please
Euphonium was included in the last video regarding this topic.
So do straight trombones suffer from this problem?
The tuning issue with triggers? No. The tuning issue with the harmonic series? Sadly, yes.
P i g g l e s the harmonic series is in tune if you use just intonation
Emory Jenkins Not really. Just intonation changes with the key you're in. The third of the chord has to be played slightly flat, for example. Every note needs some adjustment to be truly in tune. You eventually get to the point where this isn't a conscious adjustment, though--you just listen and fix immediately.
All wind instruments have to deal with the overtone series being out of tune relative to equal temperament. With all trombones, for example, the 7th overtone is extremely flat relative to equal temperament; so much so that you either have to tune the entire horn slightly sharp to compensate, or you only really have six positions available for that overtone.
Many trombone players tune the instrument slightly sharp anyhow, as tuning 1st position with the slide all the way in doesn't allow you to compensate for slightly sharp pianos, changes in temperature, etc. Tuning slightly sharp also allows for more fluidity in the first position: you don't have to worry about banging the outer slide against the cork barrels.
My brother plays a straight triggerless tenor trombone.
...ok?
can u make a video on how to tune a whistle pop please mine sounds watery and flat
French Horn?
Checkmate Trent I don’t have a trigger trombone 😎
dont you just love being a bass trombonist
the science of tuning a trombone is simply move the tuning slide and after that just move ypur main slide to wherever sounds right
Bruh I read your comment and now I can Play the trombone. Thank you so much!
Triggered.
I just l armed so much
rwrrwrrww well I do play a tenor trombone with no triggered rwrwrwrwwrrr
Israel Rodriguez still got harmonics
+Will Cochran ??? mrrwwrrwrwr
Israel Rodriguez mrrwrrmurr!!
I play the trombone so i dont have to worry about tuning.
first one on this video!!!lol