The Tiniest Gaming PC Build - Ryzen 5600G + S4T
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Are you guys satisfied with the performance from AMD's latest APUs? Or did you expect a bit more?
Thanks for watching!
I think it's enough if i say so myself, my friend will get one and i will get a gaming laptop. Do you think gaming laptops are good?
I’m satisfied, but I do think the 5700G at the very least should have RDNA 2 graphics and I think the 5600G probably should too. I’m not disappointed, it’s still a nice product, but it would be great to have RDNA 2 graphics
Disappointing compared to what AMD are capable of making.
I suppose Zen 4 APU generation when they go to 5nm + DDR5 + RDNA2 GPU chiplet + stacked 3D v-cache will finally achieve enough performance for that smooth 1080p gaming.
I'm curious about performance of say 5700G (Desktop APU) vs 5900HX ( Minisforum EliteMini HX90 ) in similar form factor.. perhaps a video on that ?
I just want an apu as a backup gpu, so i think it's ok
One day, PCs are going to be so small that nobody will be able to stop me from eating them.
well that was a plot twist
Nobody is stopping you now
This comment was unpredicted but excellent. Thanks for making me laugh
I think this is my favorite comment this year.
oh shite no good no good
I appreciate someone talking about Vega being ancient at this point. It should have been updated.
Memory bandwidth is an issue even with Vega or Xe. DDR5 is necessary.
Also, Intel only just recently developed competition with its Xe graphics so AMD had nothing to worry about with its ancient Vega APUs to compete in the laptop segment.
respect you greatly.
Every PC enthusiast youtube channel have been doing a pc build with the 5600G/5700G recently and none talk about its drawbacks, or the compromises you make with this over the comparable 5600X
I don’t think this is comparable to the 5600x, that’s comparing apples to oranges
Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus presented those exact comparisons with discrete GPUs...
I'm not even interested in the featured case/cpu, it's just that his videos are like eye candy. So well made !
It would be incredibly useful if a major manufacturer would build a itx motherboard with a 400w PSU integrated into the backplate! The tiny builds alone would be insane.
what about the asrock deskmini? it's not quite what you said, but it's damn close to this build
heat
@@willuigi64 yeah nice movie, what about it?
@@mrsarcasm4874 I think the deskmini has a brick
@@willuigi64 heat on a platinum 400w PSU would not be much more than a extra VRM. passive cooling would be plenty basically just a large thermal pad bridging the gap between the MB and case.
Would love to see a build in a transformed S4T when the panels become available!
We really need RDNA2 APUs. It’s so hard to love these APUs with these weak outdated architecture
RDNA2 NEEDs DDR5 memory, DDR4 is already limiting Vega, imagine RDNA2. dual channel 4800Mhz DDR5 is much needed. And if we can potentailly get tri or quad channel memory it'd be awesome.
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@@badass6300 maybe with AM5 that's supposed to be launched in 2022, but in think, for now, they prefer their RDNA2 Apu exclusively for consoles
@@Citnos Yup, so RDNA3 it is.
Hello steam deck
I expected more, but I am decently happy with my 5700g. It plays what I want in a 3.3L case. Like it plays World of Warships at 58FPS with medium 1080p settings. It will also play GTA V at 60-70FPS.
Ugh I would have loved a half height pcie slot somewhere on this, basically to add something like a networking or RAID card in hba mode.
With a networking card fast enough to run uncompressed video you could create the ultimate thin client, so you can have a create a crazy server with like a bunch of GPUs and all your (flash) storage and compute power in a different room that doesn't need to be quiet and you can do some very cool stuff on that server as well. Also very nice for live streaming, Ali. And with a hba card you could get one with external busses and or use the expanded version to store your disks externally as a pro tip motherboards don't need a CPU to power up a PCIe card, so you could get a second motherboard, PSU, a raid card with both internal and external ports and store your HDDs super quiet enclosure so you can have a NAS that you can actually place in the living room (and maybe function as sound source)
good on yah for telling people about the cons not just singing 5600g/5700g all the praises like other tech youtubers recently. For me, the only use case I can see this exact build is to use this as a media pc and emulator, perfect for the living room tv.
I am a simple man, I see the big biceps holding the baby computer, I click 🤷♂️
Lmao!
The performance per watt numbers of the Apple M1 give me hope for the future of APUs.
You forget that the Steam Deck and XBSS have MUCH faster memory interfaces. The former uses quad channel LPDDR5 @ 5500 MT/s and the latter uses GDDR6 over a 256 bit bus. If they made an RDNA2 APU on AM4, it would be bandwidth starved in many instances.
Agreed. Also the Steam deck works at a lower resolution. some of his comparrsion are a little off here. I don' know what he was thinking this APU can do. Still no other APU or IPU gets close to its performance
@Paulo Bertolithat's fair. looks like the marketing department doesn't talk to the tech dept. However, you still can't compare this to custom console processor even if it's the same silicon. A lot more goes into them than these.
I only want to imagine this build with a next-gen Van Gogh CPU with integrated RDNA2 gpu + DDR5 memory 😍
Aside from that, the price for the Skyreach 4T is way too high. 165$ for a case that is this small and doesn't even include a power button... that is completely insane.
quality or price, pick one
@@sparkie5571 I pick quality. But the pricing is still too high compared to other high-quality cases.
I'm honestly surprised at how far integrated graphics came in the last few years. Great video as always.
Will be a great case when RDNA2 APUs come out. Just picked up a second hand SkyReach 4 Mini and it’s a superb case.
I can see this being amazing for those that travel for work and always stay in hotels.
I just realised that the 5600G is about 4x the performance of a switch
Imagine the steam deck 🤯
Yeah it's crazy that a current console has the hardware of a 5 yo smartphone. I love my switch, but I hope we get a more powerfull Switch 2 in the next 1-2 years.
Ryzen 5000 and they still put VEGA inside their APU
my disappointment is immesurable
...and my build is ruined.
I wonder what did you expect?
Ddr4 memory limit is reached
Your editing and camerashots are making me googly eyes
Underrated channel, amazing quality content, should have way more subs.
1:04 I see you finally got an Artisan👀
I've been wanting a super compact, GPU-less, industrial-minimalist case and this one hits the mark!
its sad that AMD is intentionally holding their APUs back for years now. I would bet there is some agreement with the big console players.
even if AMD does make an APU wiht 20 CU, you still can't use it. How do you add GDDR6 RAM to your motherboard?
No they arent.... ddr4 cant go any faster its being compared to ddr5 and gddr6 consoles
Maybe there just wasn't enough competition. There's an argument to be made that Intel moving to Xe for iGPUs is part of what prompted AMD to put RDNA2 on the roadmap for Rembrandt.
Totally agree, expect better in this day and age.
I love those tiny builds so much and you are the one who got me into this stuff.
The older graphics are letting these APUs down, just imagine a NUC version of the Steam Deck with a higher power limit and lower price
aesthetic perfection
Sticking it to the man again with another sub-10 minute video
haha of course this video was coming like church on Sunday thanks
Nice build and review! Thanks and thumbs up!!
AMD is more concerned with consoles than pc gamers. I honestly never thought I would see the day when I was rooting for intel but its here.
Bravo, well said. As a former 3400g owner I'm also tired of AMD pushing Vega APUs for 1080p gaming. It's really not a good option for gaming. There's no reason why AMD couldn't be building an rdna APU in 2021, except to push their graphics cards. This is just my opinion based on my experience with the 3400g and I have nothing against AMD. I currently run a 5600x.
The 5700g only has a slight increase in performance compared to the 5600g. I really did kind of expected a bit more, even with vega graphics. Hopefully rdna 2 will come to these apus
RDNA 2 will be on the 6000 series APUs. The Steam Deck essentially has this already in their build, so I'm assuming next year or next year and a half we'll see RDNA2 APUs.
I'm excited for the future APUs. The techs already there just not for sale and it's getting better by the year
@@TheAutumnNetwork I thought it would take like 2 years or more but yeah it makes a lot more sense it would come next year. The 6000 rdna 2 apu is basically already in the Steam deck, which will be released in the holidays. You know, maybe when we see performance benchmarks of the Steam deck, it would probably be the same for the new apus. I know there are different variants, but we should see a boost in performance.
@@TheUniverseExists It's probably not there yet because of Covid. We should probably just wait so it would continue to get better. And yes, am excited :)
You have anticipated me!! 👌🏼 Amazing build!!
Consistently great videos Mr Tech.... I always look forward to what you fling at us each time.
Been waiting so long for this to come out. Hopefully we can get enough power in it down the road.
It's a decent stop gap. My Dad wanted to buy my little brother a 600USD laptop. Instead he gave me the money, I bought a 5600g, 650w PSU, 16GB 3200mhz ram, B550 board and threw it in my old NZXT case. I even used my beefy old air cooler instead of the stock cooler. Once he starts working he can always upgrade and add a dGP and/or a 5600x after selling the 5600g. He has no consoles and an 8 year old laptop that barely runs. He mostly plays Minecraft too. So for his use case I think its perfect.
Havent clicked this fast for optimum vids XD
S4T=OP!! Nicely done!
YES! A fellow low-sensitivity gamer!
A tiny PC for an absolute unit
I really think you would require quad channel ram or even gddr ram for significantly better performance. Rdna2 alone would probaply run against a hard bandwith limit.
Meh ddr5 6400mhz with around 12rdna 2 cut should be around gtx 1650 to gtx 1060 3GB performance
@@malathomas6141 using 6400 Modules would be hugely expensive due to being only reachable with selected chips and then reach only around 100 GB/s while a 1060 3GB reaches almost 200 GB/s. Highend is now around 1TB/s bandwith or evem above with HBM. Anything with massive alpha use would still be unplayable with 100 GB/s. Would make more sense to use gddr5 which impacts CPU performance negatively.
I just picked up this case with the S Expansion. I can't wait for a socketable Ryzen APU with RDNA2!
Man, i love everything NFC makes, such beatiful designs he makes.
that tiny case is so cool !!!
The fact that they have an 8 core SOC with RTX 2080 Super equivalent performance in the XBSX and PS5 for under $500 and RX 570 in the XBS just makes my blood boil. The APU's feel like a rip off.
btw i love the new dark theme intro
it's smol but built like a tank...I'm sold!
love the content, BUT THAT MONITOR THO im inlove haha
overclocking the ram with apu's does make a good amount of difference tbh. Combined with that 2350 MHz oc, a decent 4000 c16 ballistix overclock would be pretty beneficial to the apu. Remember that the system ram is basically the vram for the igpu
AMD Link 4! Please test this system as a receiver for AMD Link 4. The ideal scenario is a powerful desktop with a 6900XT for sweaty FPS games and then this APU hooked up to a TV so I can stream casual platform and third person games!
AMD Link 4 is supposed to support 4K 144FPS streaming from your desktop but nobody’s tested it yet.
First time hearing about this! Checking it out now, that sounds super cool!
Idk but it’s nice to see Oliur’s ULX products in your videos. Minimalist gang
I’m afraid you might have lost on the silicone lottery with this build. I built 2 different GPU-less PCs on the 5600g platform in the last month and have been consistently hitting 200+ FPS on Valorant in 1080, medium settings.
I did however allocate 4GB of my DDR4 RAM to the VRAM (plus a couple other settings) which makes the 5600g spin like a top.
a bit late to the party but here are some tips for people who want to get a similar build:
0. Decide before buy. The CPU side is crippled(less L3$) so it's NOT as simple as a 5600X and an RX 550 crambled together. You could suffer from 5%-15% gaming performance lost compared to 5600X when you finally get a dGPU and decide to pair it with 5600G.
1. Get high frequency memory if you can. AMD use Vega cores on these because DDR4 dual channel just can't provide enough bandwidth. DDR4-3600 is around 50GB/s r/w, on a system like this, it would be shared with CPU, while Xbox Series X could get 560GB/s across all those GDDR6(and yes, XSX's CPU use GDDR6 as system memory and share it with its GPU). Zen 3 APUs have pretty good FCLK records so get some 4400 or 4800 kits. DDR5-7200 C36 would have the same latancy as DDR4-3600 C18 but double the bandwidth. This could be enough for some RDNA2 cores but who knows, AMD cancelled the Vega 11 back in the day because there are too many cores and the memory bandwidth is not enough to saturate them.
2. Do an overclocking on GPU. These Vegas could easily get a 10% oc. Download MSI Afterburner and start from there.
Good point about the product positioning.
Helpful video, thank you.
its amazing how u packed that all together
i’ll build this when RDNA2 APUs come out. those will be sweet.
RDNA2 will need at least ddr5 or superfast lpddr4 5k+
That is why they have not released them yet
No, because they're greedy now
They can release RDNA2 APU with DDR4 now
DDR4 Bandwidth is not the issue
RDNA2 technically has better latency and efficiency bandwidth and L3 cache also can help
You can see 6900xt with 512GB/s is competitive to rtx 3090 with 920GB/s
oh well I suppose after ddr5 comes then APUs start to get really good
@@megapet777 so does the normal GPUs, especially when the MCM ones are going to drop, they will make the 3090 and RX 6900XT look like a midrange cards lol
this is how tech works, if you want something get it now. games will become more demanding and APUs need to evolve to coupe with them in some way. AMD needs to starts making some decent ones with at least 16 RDNA CUs and 6 cores to make them stand out especially after the GPU prices settle down and people have more access to them....
@@ilhambuono5451 you are seriously comparing 50gb ddr4 vs 512gb 6900xt lmao
@@WayStedYou that's not the point
I said 512GB/s on 6900xt can be competitive to RTX3090 with 920GB/s
what should i compare to then,
there can be a good comparison if 5700G 51GB/s on 8CU RDNA2 compare to gtx1050 with 112GB/s
DDR4 bandwidth for 8CU RDNA2 is still fine with 1050 performance
On the other side, if you are building a pc for 2d art/photo edition, this thing is *perfect*. Just load a good amount of RAM and save hundreds of bucks on the 3d card that wouldn't give you any extra performance at all.
Hi Ali ! great job on the video as always
please consider trying to run the build with a B-Die memory and tightening timings... it has absolutely massive impact on performance (up to 30%)
also these apus can comfortably run at 2200+ FCLK... so its a good idea to retest this build with 4400 cl 18 or lower with tight subtimings.
okay you know that these APUs are actually meant for budget conscious builders right?!!! at least the 5600G...
imagine getting an expensive super fast B-Die ram modules just to squeeze some extra bit of performance, that literally defeats the purpose of this whole APU idea. and i am talking about the 5600G because the 5700G is just expensive and literally useless for what it is, it's a decent CPU yes but for 360$ it just doesn't make sense at all, if someone has that money just for a CPU i am sure they can get a 5600X and still afford a 3060 or something like that even with the current situation......
Vega is really showing it's age. I hope AMD will slowly roll out RDNA2 APUs after the Steam Deck launch.
Its showing its bandwidth locked since its same speed as the 3200g
don't forget that Steam Deck resolution is 12800x800 or something relatively low for display size. it's adequate for mobile format, but not so much (probably) for desktop use when screen size is >20"
>Ryzen 5600G
>gaming
lol, no
edit: 5:36 totally agree, here's my like))
Finaly! Also we need a video with the L and m brackets too!
For a light gamer like me, this PC is awesome!! I bet it can handle Photoshop smoothly & 1080p video editing too!
I personally don't think the 1L size difference compared to a Velka 3 is worth not having a discrete GPU, but the S4T certainly does look really cute!
APUs seem to be a very viable option, can't wait to see what the future brings
ID Cooling IS-47K has similar performance to the Black Ridge, but is less wide/long and has much better motherboard compatibility and is available on newegg. IS-60 EVO is the same 47mm height when u remove the screws and the top fan and is available on amazon.
RDNA2 is the dream right now. A real tease and i say it should be released NOW!
A Video like this about the new Intel CPUs with Arc iGPUs would be really nice.
I am at a point where I want to build a PC just for LoL and Valorant at 1440p.
I would be really intrested in seeing a Jonsbo A4 review of you!
8 core Vega 8CU Apu: 360 usd
8 core rdna2 20CU Apu that comes with a free console on the side: 300 usd
Pc gaming is rough sometimes 😔✊
Economics of scale unfortunately… 🤷🏻♂️
@@OmarDaily some company needs to step up to the plate and make a portable desktop with Zen 3, RDNA 2 and LPDDR5 like the Steam Deck but with unlocked power draw for gaming and general use.
It would be cool to see APU's with RDNA 2 graphics, but I'd still be super stoked to have something of this caliber myself.
Me and my significant other have been playing a lot of Stardew Valley in our bedroom lately off of her laptop that is using a quite old Intel Iris GPU. Even a graphically simplistic game like this is more than the Intel chip is able to handle once you hop into split-screen, so to be able to replace our janky laptop solution with a super compact little machine like this one, would be really sweet for the type of casual couch-coop games that we play in bed.
a series s package on am4🥲🥲🥲🥲 what a dream
Such a gorgeous build. Love the portability, perfect for the office and casual gaming on downtime. Can't wait to watercool one for my build 🥰 this case looks worth the price
I want Josh from nfc to make a skyreach for the nuc extreme. That would make for the smallest full power boutique case possible. I also wish he would make custom cases and adapters that let you put a laptop gaming board inside a tiny pc case, or a custom aio monitor enclosure that fits a laptop or nuc extreme. Those ideas would be so cool.
Velka 3 will remain the endgame for me. Just too perfect imo.
Great vid on this niche case. I'd love to get your thoughts on the Beast Canyon NUC. Maybe try and match it's size/power with a price comparison?
I see a small NAS system.
With 2 cases is the first Modul the Compute Unit, the seound modul is the Stroge area.
I want to copy this build for my dad's first and probably last PC.
Quality content as always.
For me, this isn't something is be interested in for gaming, but possibly for home theater.
There are this really into emulators, for which this could be a solid solution.
why bother building a desktop that is slower than many laptops, outside special use cases?
Great video, you should review the K40 case. It's like the K39 but it supports an SFX psu so you don't have to deal with ridiculously loud psu fan noise.
Alternatively, you can get an even smaller, 1-liter gaming PC with the Asrock Jupiter X300. It doesn't support a discrete GPU, but it's much cheaper and smaller than an ITX+APU combo.
You comment really dated well, as AMD launched new laptop cpus with Integrated RDNA based APU.
You can't fit Watercooling in it.. ha!!! Jokes on you, it's been done 4 times
I'd like to know why ITX-motherboards are so frakking expensive? Cheapest X570 ITX-board is 200€, while ATX-variants start from 120€. Cheapest B550 ITX is 120€ while cheapest µATX-variant is 60€. Smaller board requires less components, less wiring etc.
I have ATX-sized X570-motherboard with 3 M.2 drives (one uses PCIe -> M.2 adapter. It only gets only PCIe 3.0 x2, but it's just enough for Intel 660p drive) + 2xSATA SSD +2xHDD + a PCIe soundcard. This motherboard costs 10% less than cheapest ITX-X570 board.
Bro that case is bigger that my future.
I'm sure the fact that desktop APUs are still on Vega is 100% because we're still on DDR4. Even if they could theoretically cram RDNA in an AM4 package for modest performance gains, it probably wouldn't make a lot of sense to spend any R&D resources on it with DDR5 just around the corner. And in fact, Zen parts with DDR5 support will also feature RDNA graphics.
I'm still getting a 5700G anyway, should be fine until I can get my hands on a real GPU.
High quality gaming experience from a iGPU. The technology is already here. But Nobody is giving it to us.
Remember Kaby Lake G + RX Vega M
Thank you for another video and thank you to AMD for releasing these 5000 series G APU’s.
If this APU supported DDR5 for future updates, the VEGA would run better, but i think the limiting factor is the DDR4 bandwidth - RDNA2 in a APU is going to rock and AMD will have a gold mine in their hands if they had released it to the DIY market Now
For strictly gaming I think a series s at 300 is the no brainer. It's gpu is pretty sweet for the price giving 1440p on several games and 1080 p on most with good frame rates
I'm waiting for a case like this
You can do liquid cooling if you're clever. ;) triple 40mm rad in place of the HDPLEX AC-DC unit.
Josh has spoken of it.
My 5600g gets anywhere from 50 to just over 60 fps (depending on how busy things get) at 1080p on low settings (usually hovering around 55 to 60 fps) running doom eternal on Linux, that's with the CPU fixed at 4.4ghz and undervolted to 1.22v, and the iGPU left at stock frequency but the SOC undervolted to 1.07v, using a deepcool gamer storm lucifer k2 cooler in a completely passive system, no fans at all, temps usually sit around the mid to high 60's after gaming for a while, but never seem to go any higher, the older doom appears to use more CPU, so the temps sit around 7 to 10 degrees higher, I'm happy with it, its slightly faster than my old 3600, and slightly faster than my old gt 1030, and cheaper than those two combined.
Still waiting for the velkase velka 3 rebuild