ENCLOSED TRANSFER of BEER - Oxygen free - Closed Transfer - Fermentasaurus Fermzilla - SAY NO TO O2
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- Опубліковано 18 лип 2019
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Great video explaining the different methods, thanks for that. I'm just starting to get keen on a bit of home brewing and learning lots. Thanks Gash!
You saved the day... I watched this video before went to transfer today before I forgot to equalize. Loving the fermentasarus thanks to your reviews = ya made this real easy. Also taking your advise with the keg lube and all the other great tips. Keeping it simple and effective. Thanks!
Excellent! The keg purge from the fermenter is freakin’ genius! Less steps = less work = more fun! I’m brewing a Wee Heavy tomorrow for my first run in my new Fermzilla, I think I’ll give that a try. As always, thanks for the great info.
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Bloody Great instructional vid Gash!🍻
Thanks mate.
Cheers Birdy, thanks for watching again mate!
Great video again! I'm just getting into kegging and this as well as some of your other videos explain it all so well - thanks!
Glad it was helpful! Cheers mate!
Great video! Using the co2 from the fermenter is genius thatll save me taking my bottle out from the keezer!
Great video Gash. I'm keen to try this
Great video, i'm looking to let the fermentation flush out my keg, thanks for the tip about waiting until a day into active fermentation to let the O2 out of the fermenter first, i hadn't thought of that
Good luck! and cheers!
Cheers gash, the pressure transfer is the only things I miss with my ss brewtech brewbucket...Ah well. Great vid mate
Thanks for taking a look Stass, cheers mate!
Just got an all rounder and this helps a lot. Didn’t put co2 connection at top during 1st Transfer and my all rounder started bending inwards
ah yes, it would suck in, thats the technical term.. hahaha Cheers!
Did this today whilst my Kveik XPA was going off it’s head, took about 2 hours, so easy!
Once you get it, it's just awesome, so easy and so much better for your beer. Cheers mate!
Really good video. Thanks man!
For those curious, if you are tight on gas you can save the 70g or so used here by letting it gravity syphon under pressure instead of pushing through with the bottle.
Do exactly as in the video, except once it's started disconnect gas and spunding valve then run a jumper between the two gas posts.
I've done videos on gravity feed, just too slow for me, and sometimes it can be a real pain, though I understand some people do like to use gravity. Cheers!
Cheers Gash. Love that amber recipe
Cheers mate!
Good video, good instruction.
Thanks for watching, Cheers!
Gash, Love your work.
I like to pressure transfer by connecting gas to gas and beer to beer (in that order). Have the fermzilla higher than the keg and let gravity do the work. You have to start with a purged pressurised keg but is saves blowing off gas from the bottle. Sometimes it needs a little pull on the pressure release valve of the keg to get it moving.
I have tried that, and it is on one of the videos some where, to be honest I like not having to move the fermenter around anymore, it just stays in the fermenting chamber. Thanks and cheers David!
Excellent.
Cheers Barry!
Great video
I do this in fermonster with solid lid modified with gas and liquid posts
Very nice video... looks like you got it working very well.
Thanks for watching mate, cheers!
First Like. Wow. You need a Patreon account. I'd love to support you and your content creation more that just subscribing to your channel and liking your videos. I've learnt so much and become a better brewer from watching all of your videos. Seems like the least I can do to thank you. You're awesome!
Thanks very much mate, I wouldn't know where to start but I like look into that! Cheers!
just open up a paypal and people can donate to that, probably work out with less fees than patreon.
Where'd ya get the food safe spray from Gav?
Thanks for these videos. Has taught me how to ferment and keg from knowing basically nothing !
Question..... In my Fermzilla I have just hit my FG ( fermented around 8psi) . I am going try enclosed transfer after I cold crash. What psi do you recommend for cold crash. I've read that 15psi is good? Would you agree?
If that is the case, do I then set the psi in keg at 15 when transferring?
Thanks
Great video! I just got my 13.5 gallon Fermzilla but I got a little gun shy for the first closed transfer and kept turning off the gas. I was afraid to let the gas keep coming in, but I guess that’s what the PRV is for, right? You kept it at 10 psi from the gas line for the entire transfer? Thanks!
Cheers mate! 🍻
Cheers Barry!
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Hey mate at the end you said you can bottle the rest. Did you mean closed transfer into bottle? Can that be done?
If I’m fermenting under say 10psi
And want to go into a cold crash should I drop my spunding so it doesn’t allow that pressure to carb up? As I want to do a closed transfer?
Or won’t it produce more co2 while cold crashing?
Can you use the new stype of spunding valve for this? Seeing as it has the gauge incorperated in the housing you can't remove it. Or shoudl I just get a valve only spunding valve for doing this?
Another great video - thanks! Might be a daft question but on the third part of the video where you have your gas connected up to the Fermentasaurus and then the Bowtie valve on the keg - does that use a load of gas from your C02 tanks during the transfer process? What pressure do you tend to do the transfer at? Thanks again - subbed to your channel you have a great way of explaining things mate.
You'll go through about 70g of gas doing it this way, depending on the pressure. You can save that by disconnecting the bottle and spunding valve once it's started and running a jumper between the two gas posts so it naturally gravity syphons.
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Gash, what psi are you using to push into the keg?
Awesome Video, I'm currently re-plumbing my keg lines with Evabarrier tubing. Quick question, what size of oetiker clamp do you feel most confident with for both the 8 and 9.5mm lines?
Since using EVA I havent used clamps really because I've changed most things to Doufit fittings, but I'vev used both sizes of these, 10.5 and 9.5mm and 9.5 used to be very tight on some fittings, some it wouldnt fit unless you really jammed it on. 10.5 would fit everything. Cheers!
Thanks for the video. Very helpful. Just started pressure transfer to keg. What sort of pressure should I be fermenting at in the Fermzilla?
Thats up to you really, experiment a bit, myself I just sit around 5-10psi, I don't try and up temperatures or anything like apparently you can do with a pressure ferment, I should but dont want to risk losing a batch lol
@@HomeBrewNetwork pressures can easily climb. I'll give those pressures a go. Probably will help with transfers as it won't produce as much foam. Thanks
Thank you for such a clear explanation. I'm going to keg tomorrow, 2/5, and plan to fill the keg with Starsan, and then pressurise, and pump out the Starsan, then direct transfer from my Fermzilla. My question is about "burping" the keg. If I transfer from Fermzilla into a keg full of CO2, do I have to "burp" it, and, if I do how many times? I presume it's after I bump it up to 30psi.
No burping at all required. Cheers!
you're a genius
Ok so I need to up my game. Should I be putting co2 into my keg first then filling with beer then putting the lid on and turning the gas back on and burping the valve.
I always just fill the keg ,gas and burp. Cheers
Anything will help mate!
Thanks for the video - good content as always. You said that flushing the keg with CO2 from the fermentation vessel was the least preferable option - why do you think this? Cheers again
Just simply without it first starting full of starsan, you can't be 100% sure the oxygen is all out, but its only a very very micro small chance, sparrow fart. Thats why I said it was the least preferred, but its still a great option. Cheers!
Do you need to put teflon on the ports for the carbonation caps?
sorry Craig I missed this question, no I didnt. Cheers!
if the beer is not carbed. when filling the keg on the co2 side have a tube drop into a bucket of sanitizer it keeps the keg pressured it will blow bubbles into the sanitizer as beer is being pushed from the ferm and u can tell when the keg is full beer leaks out of the co2 side.
For purging the keg with pushing the starsan, what about spundit on the FV keeping the vessel pressure constant and using the bleed co2 to push the starsan from the keg to a bucket? - means you don't need a second keg. I guess the only thing that might be a problem is where the pressure differential over your spundit diaphragm is coming from - might end up keeping your FV pressure offset to something incorrect. Any thoughts?
That would work, you'd just have to keep the end of the hose under liquid level so when it finished air couldnt get in. Cheers!
@@HomeBrewNetwork nice one, cheers. I gave it a go to see, keg just finished purging just now :-)
Whats the red appliance called that you use to let gas out as you fill the keg?
BLOWTIE PRV - bit.ly/BlowTieValve Cheers!
Do you not lost a lot of hop aroma blown off through the spunding valve?
Not a problem at all, Cheers!
Hi this might be a silly question but I'm a new brewer only done bottles . But I've just got my kegs . Qu do you have to cut the beer out pipe so it doesn't pick up the sediment from the bottom of the keg . Many thanks Darren
No I don't cut mine, I'd only cut if I was fermenting in the keg, because once you cut there's no going back. Cheers mate
@@HomeBrewNetwork cheers all the best mate
That was lucky.... is your name Rey..!
thats me!
Nice vid.. ive had my zilla just under a year now, absolutely OVER IT! Takes for ever to keg transfer beer, not to mention the gas usage and o-ring/float replacements I've had to do! and you need to replace the actual plastic pressure vessel every year or so as well which they dont tell you.. in my opinion, if you can save up for a stainless conical then you're much better off..
I have seen a closed circuit transfer method where you run a gas-gas line from the keg back to the zilla to save gas but it still takes ages to transfer..
I dont know how long I've had mine, since they came out, i have a couple now, I've not had to change an oring since day one, there is a use by date on the vessel, but all you need to do is pressure test it to continue use, but again if your not using it at high pressure not much to worry about, I changed my first one out the other week, not because it was stuffed but just because I'd bought one of the new ones slightly different shape and thought I'd try it.. I have a video on the gas-gas line, thats way too slow for me, I prefer to use some gas to push it . The only thing restricting the flow/speed is the fittings and hose, which you'll probably use on all fermenters because no matter what you'll end up going through the keg poppet at the end so cant go any faster than that. They arent for everyone, but I enjoy mine, one day if I win lotto or something I maybe be able to get a pressurised stainless vessel, they are very expensive, i could use a stainless 50L keg but ugh the cleaning, anyway mate, each to their own! Cheers!
That's why you get a conical SS unit. Not hard to clean at all.
I’ve just done my first lager in the fermzilla under pressure at 5psi, and getting a very yeasty/ Sulfur smell from the valve. I’m thinking it hasn’t had a chance to off gas due to the pressure holding at 5psi. Any thoughts mate?
Time.. Ramp the temp at the end, and give it a few days. Totally normal Cheers!
Having a problem where the end of the tube is ending up above the float. Anyone have an idea for a fix? Kind of makes transferring hard when the tube ends up sucking CO2 and not finished beer :/
try shortening the pick up tube? not sure how you have it set up . cheers!
good info. do you do much fermentation under pressure. Im looking at the Fermzilla AR
All of them, once you get the bug, its the way.. its more to me about oxygen free transfers, its just so good for beers. Cheers!
@@HomeBrewNetwork with your experience with fermentation using fermzilla etc.....would you follow the instructions on a fresh wort kit or modify it slightly due to the pressure assisting things along. I.e my fresh wort is telling me to pitch yeast and ferment for 7 days then dry hop then raise temp to 22 until done 10/14 days. Would you adjust the timings or does that look ok in a fermzilla
@@eyekarumba I'd follow instructions, except I'd pick the dry hop day, umm if you've seen my video , umm latest one. the umm apocalypse one you'll see when I'd advise to dry hop, when the krausen drops, not gone, just drops, then dry hop and raise temp a few degrees, should be done in 3 or 4 days after that. Cheers!
Beauty! Cheers mate
Hi do you need to fill the keg up to 18l. Just a thought you could put a few liters in. Swirl it around and then push it out with the beer?
This isnt about sanitation, although you can do it at the same time, its about making sure there is absolutely no oxygen left in the keg, well as close as you can get, by filling it up and emptying with CO2. A stronger mix of a few litres might do it, but are you really sure?
@@HomeBrewNetwork thanks gash. I take it you would have to add sanitiser to The water in the keg. Or can you sanitise the keg first and then fill with tap water or is there a risk that the water would de sanatise the keg. New to this. Just trying to find ways of using less chemicals if possible
@@haydnmaxwell649 The main thing with brewing is cleaning, I know peeps keep carrying on about sanitising, but the most important is cleaning, sanitising is just a tiny part of it, you can't sanitise a turd or dirt, so the clean is most important. You assume a keg is clean and ready for filling, there's no need for sanitiser at all, but most people do just for good feels.. Fact is sanitiser is most important, but still less important than cleaning, before the ferment, at the start. Once alcohol is involved, alcohol is a great sanitiser and makes a very uncomfortable environment for any nasties. So you have a clean keg and you fill it with an alcoholic beverage and put in it a fridge, the chance of any nasties getting hold of it is extremely extremely small, it wont happen. The cold and the booze will win. I use a tiny bit of Sodium Metabisulphite, its a sanitiser, I dont add enough to make a true full strength sanitiser, just a touch. What that does is its enough to get rid of the chlorine and chloramine almost immediately. Even if you beef that SMB dose up, to sanitiser levels, if your keg is set up right, the dip tube in the middle of the keg, in the little dimple, when you push it all out, theres maybe a 1/4 of teaspoon max left behind of weak sanitiser, which also happens to be an oxygen scavenger, so you dont get any oxidation from the water left over. Its so safe it doesnt even have to be on a label of a food stuff unless its over 10ppm. SMB ticks a lot of boxes. People dont seem to mind Star San which is virtually a weak Chlorine Gas, highly toxic.. The chemical world gets highly misrepresented because its tricky, but I do understand concerns. Cheers mate!
@@HomeBrewNetwork many thanks. Will be trying this method this weekend. Thanks for the vid and your replies
where can i buy thoses exact tubing?
www.kegland.com.au/evabarrier-5mm-x-8mm-double-wall-eva-12meter-length-in-bag.html?cmid=U1VxL0FMYmxTRzA9&afid=NHRQa2ViaTBnT0k9&ats=V2dpVFFYTmszWDA9 Cheers!
what disconnects are they...
What are you talking the quick disconnects? they are just the usual quick disconnects? The hose connections? They are duotights . Cheers
Thanks Gash. Are you fining at all? Or not worth adding oxygen in? Chur
No, well I do fine, in the kettle. It does kind of stuff up the no oxygen thing adding afterwards. If i was to do it, I'd boil the living shit out of the water, to rid oxygen, then add gelatin dissolve extremely carefully, then add to a pet bottle, add a carb cap, purge out oxygen, pressure it up(higher then keg pressure), do a short beer line between carb cap and beer or gas post, make sure bottle is upside down when you connect and it will shoot into the keg. Or can do the same in fermenter when cold crashing. Maybe too much trouble? :D Cheers!
I've always believed you shouldnt boil gelatin, and I havent tried it, this guy did an experiment, its only one experiment which could just be a fluke. Though it got me thinking, boil the water for 5 or 10mins to rid oxy, then add gelatin for 30secs, should be dissolved by then.. just an idea. I will try it soon www.homebrewtalk.com/really-ruin-gelatin-boil-experiment-time.html
@@HomeBrewNetwork Agree on the trouble. I've literally just tried no fining for first time and put a silicone tube and float in the keg to draw off the top. Sounds like it makes sense so will see how it goes.
Err who is that guy
Some weirdo lurking in my garage. Need a lock on my taps let me tell you. Cheers!
i love not having to skip through a stupid long intro with a shitty song at the start of the video ;)
hahah Cheers!