The 3.8 in the 991.1 is truly a work of art. The last of the NAs. Feels just that but more special than the 991.2. And the gas pedal is just so instant. Love it.
Have to agree. I am seeing prices on the GTS N/A cars especially the last (2016). Even taking out the "pandemic" pricing the car I feel over the long haul will be a collector car.
I lucked into a used 2015 991.1 GTS in 2018 when it was 3 years and 1 month old with a mere 98 miles on it. It had $45,620 in factory options. And at that time, I could have bought a 991.2 GTS new for less money. What does that tell you. No regrets!
@@a.c.e.7568 It tells me all I need to know - Amazing find! Yeah.... I couldn't shift the feeling either so I gave in in January to a Lava Orange GTS ducktail with 2015 10k miles PDK. Absolutely no regrets here either. Its the one on the front page of April 23 Issue of 911 & Porsche World Mag.
I'm 50/50 between the 3.8 naturally aspirated and the 3.0 turbo. I was very excited to see that this review would offer a conclusion at the end but the conclusion got me back to square one 😂
As a long life Porsche fan and owner of a Cayenne S E Hybrid , Iv been dying to buy a GTS for a long time - hopefully in the near future Il get one . Good video guys
Possibly my favorite porsche or car comparison video on youtube. Thank you so much for this gem of a comparison. Really helped me think better about both
991.1 GTS over 991.2 GTS! The NA sound with the snap, crackle, pop is the greatest in the automotive world! The reliability of 991.1 GTS engine over the 991.1 GT3 engine is the deal maker for me. A future classic last of its kind 911 before electrics come.
@@derekwhoelse8359 There is more than just driving them to realize which of the two is the better car. Owning one of these is about more than just how they drive; for instance, value retention and reliability are important, in addition to the better sound of the 991.1 and in my opinion better styling of the 991.1 GTS over the 991.2 GTS (which is the trim level I'd go for). Also, I might be biased, since I don't like turbocharged engines in general :)
Thank you so much for this video, as these are the two specific cars I am looking at/deciding on presently. Think I’m going with a 2018 in Lava Orange, but love the naturally aspirated previous model so a tough choice. Good news is, no matter what I decide, I’ll still be smiling! 😃🤘🏻
Any luck with your choice? I am at an identical situation to that, not sure about .1 or .2, feeling that Lava Orange would show those lovely curves the best. I think the.2 lines are cleaner at the front and technology in cabin is better. The cost differential is minimal despite being at least two year’s difference in age. But then there’s the N/a. My driving style slow or fast suits turbo charged cars. Kept an eye on the market too, not a lot of movement for a while. Supposed to be an easy choice|
@@audiconvertible I went with the 2018 Lava Orange and I can tell you I am absolutely LOVING this car!! The power, the amount of looks and love it gets, the insane handling, the comfort. It’s an absolute beast…a civilized beast 😁🏎️ Best of luck, as either one will make you happy I’m sure but I loooove the power of the TT 🤙🏻
I am a big fan of low end torque which is something you notice every time you take off and this is extremely gratifying; who likes to wait for power to kick in? I also like the fact that the 991.2 is easily modifiable to insane horsepowers. I am the proud owner of the 991.2.
I like a car that is rewarding to drive when you really get on it and wring out the gears which is what a true sports car should do. If you prefer low end torque and short shift the C7 Z06 is a much better option.
Yes but anyone who owns or knows the 991.2 will tell you that like other turbo cars it does not like to rev that high. It doesn't have the freewheeling experience that the 991.1 has.
@@kevind2760 I currently own a 2017 carrera 7 spd manual and I disagree, it may not have quite the same fizz at the top end of the rev range as the NA, but it feels free revving and loves to be taken to red line once it is warm
I had the 991 and now driving the 991.2 Such a huge difference. With a stage 1 tune it is even better then the 992 and far better then the 991. And it still sounds great when in sports mode!
Kinda wish I got a 991.1 GTS instead of the S but I do love my car. I definitely have no regrets going NA but I drove my boss's 991.2 and there's just so much torque across the entire powerband. Totally different feel between the two engines.
Actually the GTS interior you describe was an option in Canada on the GTS. Odd as that seems. I ordered mine with a standard two tone leather interior so the differences were minimal. Some insignia and a sport wheel. Which I changed
Sure the 991.1 revs higher and is more of an enthusiast version as one has to use the engine revs to fully engage the vehicle, that connection is better and once learned could be more fun. However, from a perspective of a less engaged driver, the mid-range torque of the turbo is more forgiving. I have driven BMW turbo engines and enjoy the midrange grunt. I am still trying to decide which version of this 991 S version I should buy.
The 991.1 is a future classic. Mated to a manual and it's the last of the quintessential 911. The 991.2 is a very good car but just lack that linear feel and sound.
I had a 997 GTS manual now have 991.2 GTS PDK. Overall I prefer the turbo unit for a daily due to the low end shove with pdk and it is much faster in reality if you care about such things, I dont. Really is hard to choose between gen1 and gen2 and fully get why some would go gen1 but it would need to be a manual for me shame its not the 6 speeder.
I have 991.1 c2s man, best car I ever had. I went from 992 c2s auto, and that was the most boring 911 I ever had. From now on, I never buy turbo engine 911.
I've been looking into getting a 991.1 gts but with the current market, they're not much less than a 991.1 GT3. maybe by 20k? I know the 991.1 gt3 had some issues though.
@@paulpastry6268 good point! How are you liking your GTS? I live at pretty high elevation so hoping they provide enough torque down low. I previously had a 981 CS and it sounded amazing but had no get up and go at this altitude. Much less power though so I'm assuming 991.1 GTS will be perfect! 👌
@@micraw714 the 991.2 has more low end grunt but the 3.8 ticks all the boxes for me. I never find I’m lacking in power but I do drive the PDK in sport or manual. I’ve gone from 981 cayman S to 991.1 Carrera S to this 991.1 GTS and each change has felt like a decent upgrade. Simply loving the GTS to drive and the aero kit just makes it look that bit more special too
I went with the GTS. As much as I love the GT3 on a road trip the extra sound isolation and not having carbon buckets makes a huge difference in comfort. I still keep up with the GT3s and GT3RS’ on canyon fun runs anyways. The only place you’ll really see a big difference in performance is on a track. Then again, I’ve put roughly $20k in mods on mine. Akrapovic exhaust, FVD headers and tune, DSC suspension controller, DSC/tractive suspension, GT3 sway bars and control arms. I can afford a new 992 Turbo or a .2 GT3. I’m not giving up my .1 GTS. It’s a really special car that IMO represents the end of an era for Carreras. In the same way that the 997.2 GT3RS represented an end of the analog track focused car.
I've got a 991.2 but mine has a led light bar that runs across the back between the lights and I've not seen many with that can you tell me if that was an option 🤔 p.s. it's now got a litchfield remap ....so good and it's why I went for a gen 2
I had the light bar added to my rwd gts just because I believe it looks nice with it. So it can be added on a rwd car. But standard that is only on the 4wd cars
I have one question: we all know there are some turbo problems (defect, blown up etc) by Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Volkswagen etc (yes i also have blown up my turbo on the cla). How are the turbos with Porsche? Are they robust enough is porsche making a difference? I am talking about 2017 and further.
I have a GTS .1 with an aerokit (GT3 look for the family man, I have to get kids in sometimes) They didn’t do that in the .2 if you check. I would say the main difference is the ability to change manually with the gear selector / stick by pushing forward for down shifts in the .2. Wish my .1 did that 😕. Pushing forward for up shifts is not right. Great video 👍
The coolant pump in the 991.2 is a real issue with its 2-stage design. If it wasn't Porsche would not have given a 10-year warranty on them. They fail and replacements fail again.
I actually like it on the seats. Very comfortable in hot or cold. Absolutely DETEST it on the steering wheel. Mine came with alcantara steering wheel and I immediately swapped it for a .2 leather wrapped wheel.
Alcantara is great for headliners not for seats or steering wheel. Have a 991.2 GTS with full black 5:27 leather with red accent stitching on seats, door panels, steering wheel. Very durable and looks great. Best daily driver ever.
Well I have leather in my other 911 and Alcantara in my 991.1 GTS. For countless reasons, I much prefer the Alcantara. And if the Alcantara steering wheel is an issue, wash you damn hands, at least daily. LOL
The 3.8 in the 991.1 is truly a work of art. The last of the NAs. Feels just that but more special than the 991.2. And the gas pedal is just so instant. Love it.
NA - naturally aspirated ??
@@jayo9191 yes NA is naturally aspirated
Have to agree. I am seeing prices on the GTS N/A cars especially the last (2016). Even taking out the "pandemic" pricing the car I feel over the long haul will be a collector car.
Currently on a 991.1 C4S and keep considering the GTS. Gen 1 for me, every time.
I lucked into a used 2015 991.1 GTS in 2018 when it was 3 years and 1 month old with a mere 98 miles on it. It had $45,620 in factory options. And at that time, I could have bought a 991.2 GTS new for less money. What does that tell you. No regrets!
@@a.c.e.7568 It tells me all I need to know - Amazing find! Yeah.... I couldn't shift the feeling either so I gave in in January to a Lava Orange GTS ducktail with 2015 10k miles PDK. Absolutely no regrets here either. Its the one on the front page of April 23 Issue of 911 & Porsche World Mag.
If I could get the look of a 991.2 with that 991.1 3.8 motor
Exactly!!! 😭
You could get a 991.2 gt3 touring ;)
Very good comparison and I am now the proud owner of that 991.1 😁
I’m with you!
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Great cars..I moved over to 991.2 GTS..different feel especially on track days
I went from 992.1 c2s auto to 991.1 c2s manual and it was the best car decision I have ever taken
@@macigov how much you find your 991 c2s manual for? That’s what I’ll be after towards the end of the year
I'm 50/50 between the 3.8 naturally aspirated and the 3.0 turbo. I was very excited to see that this review would offer a conclusion at the end but the conclusion got me back to square one 😂
As a long life Porsche fan and owner of a Cayenne S E Hybrid , Iv been dying to buy a GTS for a long time - hopefully in the near future Il get one . Good video guys
Possibly my favorite porsche or car comparison video on youtube. Thank you so much for this gem of a comparison. Really helped me think better about both
You forgot to mention the option of having rear axel steering on the 991.2 cars. That does make a difference.
Excellent overview and comparison video. Very informative, great work guys, thanks.
991.1 GTS over 991.2 GTS!
The NA sound with the snap, crackle, pop is the greatest in the automotive world!
The reliability of 991.1 GTS engine over the 991.1 GT3 engine is the deal maker for me. A future classic last of its kind 911 before electrics come.
Thanks for the comparison. It is clear that the 991.1 is definitely the better option of the two.
I took it that it was clear the 991.2 was definitely the better option of the two.
Drive them both and you will change your opinion for sure!
@@derekwhoelse8359 There is more than just driving them to realize which of the two is the better car. Owning one of these is about more than just how they drive; for instance, value retention and reliability are important, in addition to the better sound of the 991.1 and in my opinion better styling of the 991.1 GTS over the 991.2 GTS (which is the trim level I'd go for). Also, I might be biased, since I don't like turbocharged engines in general :)
The greater torque and resulting quickness of the 991.2 wins it for me, even though the sound of the 991.1 is better.
991.1 Gts...the sound of aspirated engine is something "Paradise"....
Enjoyable and informative video. Bit distracted by that lovely 996rs in the background 😀
Thanks very much for the video, guys. This is exactly what I was looking for.
Thank you so much for this video, as these are the two specific cars I am looking at/deciding on presently. Think I’m going with a 2018 in Lava Orange, but love the naturally aspirated previous model so a tough choice. Good news is, no matter what I decide, I’ll still be smiling! 😃🤘🏻
Any luck with your choice? I am at an identical situation to that, not sure about .1 or .2, feeling that Lava Orange would show those lovely curves the best. I think the.2 lines are cleaner at the front and technology in cabin is better. The cost differential is minimal despite being at least two year’s difference in age. But then there’s the N/a. My driving style slow or fast suits turbo charged cars. Kept an eye on the market too, not a lot of movement for a while. Supposed to be an easy choice|
@@audiconvertible I went with the 2018 Lava Orange and I can tell you I am absolutely LOVING this car!! The power, the amount of looks and love it gets, the insane handling, the comfort. It’s an absolute beast…a civilized beast 😁🏎️ Best of luck, as either one will make you happy I’m sure but I loooove the power of the TT 🤙🏻
I am a big fan of low end torque which is something you notice every time you take off and this is extremely gratifying; who likes to wait for power to kick in? I also like the fact that the 991.2 is easily modifiable to insane horsepowers. I am the proud owner of the 991.2.
I like a car that is rewarding to drive when you really get on it and wring out the gears which is what a true sports car should do. If you prefer low end torque and short shift the C7 Z06 is a much better option.
Fantastic review
Great comparison thank you👋👋👋
Thank you very much,
Great video, slight correction: redline on the 991.2 carrera gts or any variant(base, S) is 7500, not 7k. Still short of the 7.8k in the Gen 1 991
Yes but anyone who owns or knows the 991.2 will tell you that like other turbo cars it does not like to rev that high. It doesn't have the freewheeling experience that the 991.1 has.
@@kevind2760 I currently own a 2017 carrera 7 spd manual and I disagree, it may not have quite the same fizz at the top end of the rev range as the NA, but it feels free revving and loves to be taken to red line once it is warm
I had the 991 and now driving the 991.2 Such a huge difference. With a stage 1 tune it is even better then the 992 and far better then the 991. And it still sounds great when in sports mode!
Beautifully specced 991.2!
The back lights on the second gen just look so much better. Tiny detail but just makes so much difference.
Funny, i actually like the first gen's back lights a lot more...
Yes, and I like the black grill on the back of the 991.2 much better than the painted grill of the 991.1.
Kinda wish I got a 991.1 GTS instead of the S but I do love my car. I definitely have no regrets going NA but I drove my boss's 991.2 and there's just so much torque across the entire powerband. Totally different feel between the two engines.
Actually the GTS interior you describe was an option in Canada on the GTS. Odd as that seems. I ordered mine with a standard two tone leather interior so the differences were minimal. Some insignia and a sport wheel. Which I changed
Very good comparison video Greig & Tim 👍
😂 of course na 991.1 dont even need to ask
Really??
Each gen gets better. So .2 is the maestro
Sure the 991.1 revs higher and is more of an enthusiast version as one has to use the engine revs to fully engage the vehicle, that connection is better and once learned could be more fun. However, from a perspective of a less engaged driver, the mid-range torque of the turbo is more forgiving. I have driven BMW turbo engines and enjoy the midrange grunt. I am still trying to decide which version of this 991 S version I should buy.
The 991.1 is a future classic. Mated to a manual and it's the last of the quintessential 911. The 991.2 is a very good car but just lack that linear feel and sound.
Brilliant
NA Car all day long. Values on the 991.1 GTS are already going up in value -
And the values on those 991.1 GTS and 4GTS (especially coupes and targas, respectively) will continue to rise.
Explained well.
Anyone got a clue what the wing is on the 991.1 GTS? It looks so nice!
I believe its called an "Aero cup" wing. They run about 2500-3k plus install.
Turbo power 💪
Good Video - NA all day long!
I had a 997 GTS manual now have 991.2 GTS PDK. Overall I prefer the turbo unit for a daily due to the low end shove with pdk and it is much faster in reality if you care about such things, I dont. Really is hard to choose between gen1 and gen2 and fully get why some would go gen1 but it would need to be a manual for me shame its not the 6 speeder.
I have 991.1 c2s man, best car I ever had. I went from 992 c2s auto, and that was the most boring 911 I ever had. From now on, I never buy turbo engine 911.
Could you do same with the turbo s please
I've been looking into getting a 991.1 gts but with the current market, they're not much less than a 991.1 GT3. maybe by 20k? I know the 991.1 gt3 had some issues though.
If you want a track car, get a GT3. If you want a car that is road based get a GTS. They are completely different cars so price isn’t really relevant
@@paulpastry6268 good point! How are you liking your GTS? I live at pretty high elevation so hoping they provide enough torque down low. I previously had a 981 CS and it sounded amazing but had no get up and go at this altitude. Much less power though so I'm assuming 991.1 GTS will be perfect! 👌
@@micraw714 the 991.2 has more low end grunt but the 3.8 ticks all the boxes for me. I never find I’m lacking in power but I do drive the PDK in sport or manual. I’ve gone from 981 cayman S to 991.1 Carrera S to this 991.1 GTS and each change has felt like a decent upgrade. Simply loving the GTS to drive and the aero kit just makes it look that bit more special too
@@paulpastry6268 that's great to hear! I'm definitely going to consider one 😁
I went with the GTS. As much as I love the GT3 on a road trip the extra sound isolation and not having carbon buckets makes a huge difference in comfort. I still keep up with the GT3s and GT3RS’ on canyon fun runs anyways. The only place you’ll really see a big difference in performance is on a track.
Then again, I’ve put roughly $20k in mods on mine. Akrapovic exhaust, FVD headers and tune, DSC suspension controller, DSC/tractive suspension, GT3 sway bars and control arms.
I can afford a new 992 Turbo or a .2 GT3. I’m not giving up my .1 GTS. It’s a really special car that IMO represents the end of an era for Carreras. In the same way that the 997.2 GT3RS represented an end of the analog track focused car.
I would buy retro fitted 991.1 LOL four point daylight with steering wheel upgade
Correction, you could not get the ducktail and wing on the 991.2
The spec of the 991.2 :O
I've got a 991.2 but mine has a led light bar that runs across the back between the lights and I've not seen many with that can you tell me if that was an option 🤔 p.s. it's now got a litchfield remap ....so good and it's why I went for a gen 2
Full width reflector = 4wd!
that is the C4 GTS. the 2WD models do not have the rear LED across the tailgate.
I had the light bar added to my rwd gts just because I believe it looks nice with it. So it can be added on a rwd car. But standard that is only on the 4wd cars
I have one question: we all know there are some turbo problems (defect, blown up etc) by Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Volkswagen etc (yes i also have blown up my turbo on the cla). How are the turbos with Porsche? Are they robust enough is porsche making a difference? I am talking about 2017 and further.
Exactly. 3.8 L vs 3.0 boosted. Which one will have a longer life?
@@kevind2760 3.8 L i assume but my question was and is what about the turbos from Porsche? How do they perform
.2 has a lot more torque.
I have a GTS .1 with an aerokit (GT3 look for the family man, I have to get kids in sometimes) They didn’t do that in the .2 if you check.
I would say the main difference is the ability to change manually with the gear selector / stick by pushing forward for down shifts in the .2. Wish my .1 did that 😕. Pushing forward for up shifts is not right.
Great video 👍
Same me, 991.1 GTS. You can let to reprogram the PDK gear selectors behavior. I will do this.
@@dme28 I’ve spoken to Porsche who say they can’t 😞
@@themartins5771 Porsche not, but A&A Automobiltechnik in Moringen in Germany, they make it!
FVD makes a PDK tune which can fix the direction of the shifter. Also speeds up shifting considerably to feel more like the GT3
@@alfieboy4022 thanks for this. Are they UK based do you know?
The coolant pump in the 991.2 is a real issue with its 2-stage design. If it wasn't Porsche would not have given a 10-year warranty on them. They fail and replacements fail again.
991.1 :)
If you do not want a turbo, the answer is simple.
In term of Value. 991.1 will always beat 991.2. Cuz of the naturally aspirated engine. Both are great though.
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Alcantara is terrible man made rubbish
Can't believe people prefer it over leather
Nice video 👍
Leather is a terrible material in the summer (hot too quickly) and in winter (always cold)
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I actually like it on the seats. Very comfortable in hot or cold. Absolutely DETEST it on the steering wheel. Mine came with alcantara steering wheel and I immediately swapped it for a .2 leather wrapped wheel.
Alcantara is great for headliners not for seats or steering wheel. Have a 991.2 GTS with full black 5:27 leather with red accent stitching on seats, door panels, steering wheel. Very durable and looks great. Best daily driver ever.
Well I have leather in my other 911 and Alcantara in my 991.1 GTS. For countless reasons, I much prefer the Alcantara. And if the Alcantara steering wheel is an issue, wash you damn hands, at least daily. LOL
The new 911 GTS has about 480PS, not 450PS.
480PS has brand new 992 GTS. These are 991 generation cars one being prefacelift naturaly aspirated (430PS) and second one postfacelift turbo (450PS)
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