Was STOLITZ DOOMED From the Start? - Helluva Boss
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"For Stolitz"
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young blitzo is bart change my mind.
I think that consciously, Stolas has nothing against imps and does in fact see in Blitz as an equal. However, I think that there is a part of his subconscious that is discriminatory against imps and sees them as beneath him due to his classist upbringing. You can even see it during the childhood flashback, he says things like "oh is this an IMP game" or "YOU'RE going to hire ME?" Again, I don't think Stolas is aware of it at all, but it is something that he should acknowledge.
Great theory. I also feel like he is attracted to imps because they are the total opposite of his class. Stolas doesn't like his family and class so he uses Blitzo to "escape" from being a royalty.
I think Stolas doesn’t mind Blitz being an imp but he also wants to keep his reputation.
I think he also infantilises imps quite a bit. Some of the things he says to Blitzø and the tone of voice used comes off as patronising as it is the way you’d talk to pets or young children, eg calling him “Blitzy” which is more of a PET name than a pet name if you get what I’m saying.
That makes sense, I kinds git that vibe too. It's seen in tons if situations like this
i feel like its less of a classist thing and more of a cinicle view of everything and an understanding of difference in culture between the races, and his extreme curiosity being part of the reasoning between that
Blitz being terrible for Stolas is true, HOWEVER, the relationship with Blitz being good for Stolas is also true. It got him out of his shell and showed him that he could be loved and deserved better. -Guy who was the Blitz for too many people
The thing is Stolas is a repressed gay who is also SUPER kinky. Which Blitzo seems to be very sexually agressive. So they are auctully super compatible both personality wise and Sexual interest wise. The problem is Stolas is a Sociolly Awkward idiot, and Blitzo has trust and intimacy issues.
i agree. if he's given a proper character development, i believe he can be compatible and truly *good* for stolas. they may be in hell, but i think it's still possible for him to grow. :) - girl who was the blitz for too many people
I have daddy issues and discord, be my blitz✨ (I'm not sure if I'm joking or not lmao)
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@@AnOriginalBreakfast 😅✨ Im desperate✨ akfnsfbks
I was struck by the baby stolas quote where he says, "well, if its what YOU want to play". thats sort of been the stolitz vibe to me, especially after this ep - stolas talks dirty because its what he thinks blitz wants, he doesn't ask to go on dates or admit his true feelings because he thinks blitz doesn't want that kind of relationship. and because blitz is bad at showing/accepting his emotions and pushes people away, stolas can't possibly know that that isn't what blitz wants
That’s also because it isn’t what Blitz ever wanted, unless he can gain something from using Stolas.
Know this was 7mo ago but yeah this seems quite accurate and it's sad when he DOES reach out and say "what about we cuddle?" And stuff he gets shut out being told that it's just a relationship for gain basically confirming for him what he feared alongside Blitzø having it confirmed for him when Stolas hides his face
this is so sad
@@pinkpanda3019 I honestly think the "cuddle" word was the trigger for Blitzø. He doesn't react to "talk or watch tv", possibly even considering it, but when he hears "cuddle" he snaps- it 100% sounds like a trick to get him inside so Stolas can move things from cuddle to sex. Like... I've seen and experienced that plenty, so it made total sense to me that that word was the WROOOONG choice from Stolas, though he didn't know that. Dude probably just wanted a cuddle to comfort both of them, but Blitzø didn't need/want physical comfort, but verbal/emotional communication.
I think Blitzø saying "don't try to trick me, don't pretend this is anything but YOU wanting sex!" its the most honest and open either of them have been yet, and Stolas (bless the silly sweet idiot) really messed up and missed the perfect chance to say "no, thats not true, I like you more than sex" anything along that line. Instead he just says "ok, goodnight" and confirms to Blitzø its only sex. I don't think Blitzø is the one confirming it, its Stolas NOT confronting Blitzø assumption of Stolas' motivation- thats what confirms the relationship is just fck-trade. Sad when they BOTH don't want that :')
Exactly! He's socially awkward due to being alone his whole life so he just follows Blitz's lead but he's also bad at picking up on social cues lol and since Blitz hides his emotions on top of that it's basically hopeless. They just need to be direct with each other but they both have low self-esteem and both think the other has the upper hand in their relationship.
Stolas staying married "to give her a normal life" really wasn't as good for Octavia as he intended, and I really hope that'll be acknowledged more later in the story.
By the time I was Octavia's age I was literally begging my mother to stop "staying for the kids" and get a fucking divorce.
This is the same Stolas who neglected his daughter by flirting with Blitz as he was taking her to a amusement park in order to cheer her up due to witnessing an argument between her mother and father. Father of the year everyone.
OK, so this joke wasn't wasted on me.
Blitz tried to break Solas's neck but forgot he was an owl. I had spat out my drink, cough laughed. And rewinded just to make sure I saw correctly
I genuinely can't believe that the fandom isn't talking about that lmao
That was my favorite gag too, I laughed hard. The way they both have this kind of blase "oh right he's an owl" "oh right I'm an owl" look afterward, soooo funny.
bruh same I laughed the entire time and cry afterwards at the ending credits realizing how sad this episode is but the jokes are just too good to ignore
Can't some demons like Goetians only be killed by special means?
I think it's an important point. Blitzo couldn't have killed Stolas (or any other Goetia) just by wringing his neck because independently from what can or cannot kill a demon we know that only certain specific arms can kill demon royalty.
Still if Stolas wasn't an owl it would have hurt a lot.
Which is probably one of the reasons why Stolas thinks Blitzo likes it rough. Which probably brought him to behave in a way that made Blitzo think that Stolas is the one who likes it rough. (Hence the beartraps?).
i truly love this take. everyone is saying that this episode is retconning stolas' classism, when in reality its reframing it, highlighting how blissfully ignorant he is because he doesn't mean it, and is doing it anyways, upsetting blitz while he just has no idea what's wrong
Thank you! Someone gets it!
I think it's a pinch of both. But I'm okay with it
thank you!! this episode doesn't retcon anything but instead, like you said, reframes it.
I've even seen people say how it retcons stella's depth, which was never even established, or even how it retcons blitzo's dad being unsupportive because he had his son in show business alongside him :/
@@artmoryoo the dad thing gets to me in particular because he never says “show business” he says “musical theatre” which is VASTLY different from each other
@@artmoryoo also (just realized this) but there is still space to give Stella depth! Like the goetia family sucks for sure so that means that odds are there is another place for Stella’s cruelty to stem from, like a coping mechanism to either defend herself against, or keep up with her brother (notice how he was the first to come to Stella’s mind after she talked about the divorce). I heard somewhere that Stella’s VA said that Stella had unexplored depth, and that would still be a logical place for that to come from
we got to see that Stolas was probably more raised by his imp butler than his owl dad so that might also explain some of why he is so comfortable around imps. Also did anyone else get Alred vibes from the butler imp?
Glad I wasn't the only one who got that vibe
“Cannot fathom proper intimacy but also craves it as well.” That line always hits home for me
Yea same
Yeah screw you moxie calling me out like that
Same! I told a friend that was a moment where I had to stop and say to myself... why did that hit me so hard? 🥲
@@jacquelinefrigano1300 I just learned now what the line in that scene is (I didn’t understand it at first because couldn’t hear the words properly, english isn’t my first language). And now that I know what he’s saying in that scene i feel so called out. I had to sit for a few minutes with myself to think lol
Disorganized attachment style. It's where you swing between avoidant and anxious (needy) attachment. People only have it if they have childhood trauma where they learned that those they love and trust the most are not safe and you will never know when they'll turn on you.
Stolas giving Blitzo the Asmodian Crystals basically forces Blitzo to realise the relationship wasn't just for the sex and that Stolas DOES actually care for him, what Blitzo's reaction to that is unknowable at the moment but it finally allows their relationship to grow
Whatever his reaction will be I feel it will be the wrong one.
This really could go one of two ways. Blitzo understands that Stolas giving him the crystal means he really did view the relationship as more than transactional fucking. The other is that it hits his self worth issues and he thinks Stolas is trying to distance himself from him and doesn't want him around anymore after what happened at Ozzie's.
@@lunarbishop3633 yeah I'm betting on this one, blitzø sure as hell is a master on never communicating a damn of his insecurities and impulsively moving to resentment instead of facing his emotions
They will probably become true friends and striker will become a catalyst to get Stella and stoles back together. Remember Stella calls stoles a weak man with no sex drive. Blitz unlocked that sex drive. Now he just needs to give it to Stella to put her in her lane since she's never been told no in her life or had anyone stand up to her.
@@pegeta ... except Stolas has shown absolutely no attraction to Stella whatsoever and she's been nothing but abusive to him. In fact she's shown herself to be vindictive, calculative, manipulative, violent and sadistic, and downright cruel to him. Stolas' attraction to Blitzo definitely seems from love at first sight but also a deep seated need for affection and kindness, NOT the things that Stella can give him. Both Olivia and Stolas would more than likely do better without her.
I feel like he's going to give Blitz the crystal and Blitz is going to take that as Stolas ending the relationship because he doesn't want anything to do with him, and there'll be a period where they're dealing with their own issues.
I also think Stolas is going to end up in a dangerous situation with his family and Blitzo is going to show up and save him, like how Stolas saved him in the human world.
Maybe then they'll realize they both legitimately care about each other, or maybe it'll be when it snows in hell.
WAIT... maybe stolas would be kidnapped but not octavia (precautionary heir) and octavia would find blitz, tell him whats happening and when he saves stolas that would b the season finale?
@@yourbuddymaxormaybegingeri2782 ye i can definitely see that happening
I mean in Dante's inferno, they did say it was freezing in the ninth circle or something, so I guess snow can happen in hell? 🤷
@@baconfoxxe5577 yeah but mainly in the 9th as the punishment for betrayal you may not move
It might be very likely that the next episode is stolas giving the crystal and then somehow or another blitz and loona are in the gluttony ring, or something like that. I feel those things are connected. Hell, I think blitz will take it, use it, but in the end will be so depressed that he won’t want to use it any more as looking at it is just a reminder of the failings on both of them, try to talk to stolas by breaking in/entering unannounced and possibly do so while the repercussions of stolas’s actions are being doled out, and I have a bad feeling that it will be stella’s brother and that he may do something bad to blitz, whether it be to hurt stolas intentionally or blitz intervening and ends up getting caught in the cross-fire. Causing stolas to fully comprehend the gravity of it all. I’m almost worried it may be a “romeo and juliet” ending where both end up dead in some capacity. Because there are two people out for blood on stella’s order: her brother, and striker. I don’t think spindlehorse invested that much money for extra frames at the end of striker’s intro ep just for him to be a one off.
I honestly can't tell if the writing on this series is fucking excellent or if all of us are just reading too far into it. Just think its funny that this series while being delivered as an adult comedy actually has so many sublayers about everything from societal issues in hell to generational trauma dumping. Viziepop should be getting way more recognition than they are for this stuff.
I think it's actually just that good. Let's not forget that Brandon Rogers (the voice of Blitzø) is also a writer on the show and he is notorious for crafting incredibly elaborate and interconnected storylines in his own videos while still keeping them incredibly funny and bizarre. I wish they'd brought him on as a writer for Hazbin 🥲
One thing that i thought after analyzing these two is that judging by how Blitz has reacted to Stolas’ true form and Striker, I think his “type” is probably more on the dominant side. Even Verosika if you think about it.
Blitz and Stolas have been playing in the sub-dom s&m relationship, where Stolas THINKS Blitz like being 100% dom, (because of their first time) but… to me it seems like Blitz would like a more dominant Stolas sometimes.
And funny enough, asking Stolas to be confident and dominant would be interesting. Because he has been the “submissive” one in his relationship since the beginning. Playing with S&M might be new to him, but the role he plays is not. This could be weirdly tied to a character growth for him.
I love this idea!!! seeing stolas take on a more dominant role would be really interesting to see for his character development, it would also be good for blitz so he doesnt have to feel like maybe hes trying too hard
Would explain why Blitz looks on in awe when Stolas arrives at the agency to save him
(Also it's followed by Stolas checking in on him in a nurturing way, leading to the scene of the two of them flirting and looking like they actually enjoy it)
whilst i see your point, im not sure if stolas will go for it? even stella commented about how he just "lays there and does nothing" whenever they had sex, and whilst that could just be telling us that hes not interested in intercourse with her, him getting so extremely excited at the thought of blitz dominating him in their first interaction as adults? it doesnt seem like he'll go dom at all.
and im pretty sure blitz being a switch isnt any new info. he seemed just fine with taking the lead AFTER stolas had saved him from the dorks so?
Eh I’ve got to disagree, I don’t think Stolas preferring to be more passive (or more like letting his partners take the lead) in his relationships is something he needs to change.
It’s something Stella took advantage of because she’s an asshole, but that doesn’t mean he deserved it. And he seems to enjoy subbing, I don’t think he needs to change that to grow.
I think part of the appeal for Blitz with Stolas is actually doming someone whose so powerful, which is why he was so into it after the rescue in Ep 6.
@@yeoluvrr9981 You know that could be because he was gay right? Like gay men can have sex but it's hard to keep boners with women. So a lot of them won't risk moving and shit. Talk to any gay man who had a wife and kid, the ones that aren't bi will tell u were they weren't active in the slightest.
I think an important thing about blitzo not wanting to steal is that he never said it was wrong or bad, he simply asked what would happen if he got caught. Im not saying he didnt think of it as a bad thing but considering how the show has portrayed hell and its social structure so far i wouldnt be suprised if the reason blitz was hesitant was only BECAUSE it was the Goetia family.
That and he shows no hesitation/remorse while robbing him.
Plus Blitzo already seemed to have a fascination for violence at that young age. Meanwhile, Fizz was grossed out by blood and showed some empathy for Blitzo's legless horse by wanting to make it feel better with dancing. You could make an interesting argument for whether hellborn demons are automatically vicious and cruel by default or if they're made that way by Hell's culture.
Hes a literal hellspawn
Its Blitz
@@CareerKnight Right...it's always kinda like whenever something genuine pops up in the show, they destroy it immediately.
Like, Blitz could have been much more innocent as a child. But actually he wasn't...I would've felt that 'his father messed him up' thing way more if that wasn't the case.
I’m probably alone in those but I think it’d be interesting if Blitzø and Stolas don’t get back together until the end of the season, so they can work out their personal issues separate from each other
I would like that.
Stolas x therapy letsago blitzo too
I have a feeling that they won't get back together until one of them gets killed.
Yeah no I’m fine with that
that'd actually be pretty cool
"Giving him a job and a beard" is SUCH a good line. Had me howling
I think that Stolas calling Blitz his "Impish little plaything" in the D.H.O.R.K.S. episode was more of him projecting power and dominance to the humans to scare them, not actually saying he considers Blitz as his plaything
I thought the same thing. Plus give Stolas a credit for not pronouncing "Little plaything" loudly like he didn't want Blitzø to hear that. I only heard that part after rewatching summoning part like 3-4 times.
He's used it a handful of times, I think he just genuinely believes its a flirty phrase of endearment and is too sheltered to piece together how loaded and baggage-carrying it is for Blitzø
Honestly, as much as i like Stolitz. Stolas could do both better and worse than Blitz and Stella, but you never know the future of their relationship hasn't been completely written yet so it could get better i mean assuming that Stolas and Blitz work out whatever issues they have and start over.
@Long Beach Griffy short SILENCE BOT.
The writers have 100% figured out what they want to do with stolitz, we just have to wait for them to reveal what they're doing with the pair
I agree and at least now stolas caN CHOOSE who he wants
Stolas liked blitzø from the start, I just feel like they have some trauma to work through and all.
@@ativernatplays3744 stolas is an owl and owls choose one mate forever
Am I the only one who wants Moxxie and Millie, as two imps that are great and communicating with each other, to sit down with Blitzo and Stolas and teach them how?
nah not just you
I'd want to see it happen
Seems cool but I don't know how that would work.
That would be cute
@@horangipookie worlds most boring episode
@@DishonorableMentions452 why are people replying to my old comments im crying
IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE THAT STOLAS WAS TRYING TO MATCH BLITZ’S ENERGY WOW
Something I find really interesting is how we have seen how common it is for goeitia with red eyes like Stolas to have pupils, yet his only appear when he is expressing a higher amount of emotion than he typically would (best example of this is in episode two of season two when he realizes that he forgot about the meteor shower he was supposed to see with Via.) I think it's a really cool design choice that does a great job at casually displaying just how much Stolas' butler and dad were bullshitting with the "excitment is unbecoming of a goetia." Literally every other goetia with eyes like Stolas' never have to hide their emotions, thus their pupils always beign visable. Hell, even Paimon always has his pupils visable. This was just a cool detail that I wanted to share incase someone didn't notice.
That's super cool!
Yeah it really shows off how much he’s repressing everything
It's a fifty fifty on whether the show doomed them from the start but I think that it most likely will be solved by the end.
I swear, my money is on the 75%. They go the route of long reconsiliation, both admit their feelings...BOOM! Stella's assassin gets Stolas! Maybe by protecting Octavia. Fucking twist in the heart
But that's why it's so interesting. It's not predictable AT ALL. And we can't be sure if they will actually end up in a loving relationship by the end or not.
@@inkonsistency I feel like them being childhood friends makes things a bit more predictable, like Blitz will probably save stola’s life or realise how much he means to him by remembering their relationship from childhood (I hope that doesn’t happen because I think it’s more interesting if Blitz doesn’t even remember much from childhood and just grew close to the Goetia all over again in adulthood)
I’m holding out hope tho.
@@katziliaf A "twist" that would completely ruin the build up from *multiple* seasons worth of development. I think this type of ending has been done to death and I'm honestly quite tired of relationships that are built up for so long only for someone to die just for a shocking ending that makes you sad for a few hours until you question "then what was the point of watching them develop and work through their issues?"
It would kill any lessons/morals the characters have to understand and learn. Stolas standing up to his toxic partner, breaking out of his family's strict ties and finally feeling free and able to make his own choices,
and Blitz learning to communicate his feelings better to the people he cares about, learning to love himself and let himself be open and vulnerable to others:
All completely meaningless if one/both of them dies. All just for the shock of it.
@@laraschroeder5195 It was actually shown in the episode that Blitz barely remembered Stolas, only remembering that he had the book because it was 'cool' to him at the time. He took advantage of the situation and grew closer to him from there.
While I acknowledge Stolitz as an interesting dynamic to explore, I can imagine that Stolas' decision to use the crystals to let Blitz go to the human world unimpeded is more built on the idea that, even if he acknowledges that their relationship is a comfortable lie, Stolas does love Blitz and is effectively letting him go because Blitz's happiness is more important to Stolas than his own statisfaction.
If anything, I love the potential storyline of Stolas learning to become content with himself and either becoming a happy single father for Octavia or eventually finding someone who does truly love him for who he is.
i would loved seeing that , but considerating the way the show is going, i asumed that the ship will become canon ,so is kinda sad.
It’s subtle but blitzø did start showing feelings to stolas a bit
“Because he like us, has depression” I DID NOT NEED THAT CALL OUT-
Seeing the asmodean crystals in the show it’s pretty clear from what’s been explained by other theories that he’s gonna use them to give to blitzo since he finally realizes blitzo never loved him or had the same romantic feelings that stolas felt
But it think it’s messy because there so many personal issues happening to them and the only way to be in a healthy relationship is to resolve any emotional baggage that one keeps to themselves
I think Blitz is going to use the crystal for the rest of the show for one reason:
Stolas doesn't want to be used. He looks defeated every time Blitz is a dick, or turns him down, or ignores him, and the only thing Blitz does that is romantic at all is bone Stolas for the Grimoire. So I think that Stolitz will return, but actually romantic where they feel comfortable with eachother instead of just a transactional thing.
@@lunarrvxlive on another video i saw something were they said "blitz will try to reconnet with stolas after him getting the crystal and invite him on a real date/chat if he says chat stolas would come but deny a romantic/sexual relationship with him if he says date stolas would just decline
it also shows that the 'using people' aspect of Blitzo's life.... yea.
Think about it. he was wearing the same outfit with verosika that he is wearing now.... And as a succubus, she could take him to the human world.
And then blitz will tragically realize that he loves our favorite dumb, hot bird boy and try to tell him but stolas will have fucked off to the human world to hide as a soft gay from his crimes (giving blitz access to the human world to begin with) and his familial drama until blitz comes to get him.
THIS IS MY HEADCANNON AND I AM STICKING TO IT. 😭
This episode really made Stolitz into the most dysfunctional childhood friends to lovers.
Their relationship is toxic but it could be what they need and want if they just talk. A real honest talk. I really like how the show never puts them on to a podest and tells us „they are endgame“. Maybe they end up in a relationship but maybe they end up being friends. No matter how it ends, I don’t think their ways will never cross again
The extra good bit about the Asmodeus crystals is it will allow the pair to remove the whole idea of a transactional relationship. It removes the idea of it being a "contract". If Stolitz is to succeed, Blitzo needs the ability to do his job without relying on Stolas, and Stolas needs to be able to hand the key to allow Blitzo to be independent. Stolas clearly wants them to be equals, and unintentionally, it seems like he might be making some of the necessary steps to make that happen.
Hopefully this will finally pave the way to honest conversations and what they actually want from each other.
I kinda hope the route they go with Stolitz is Stolas giving Blitz (and I guess the rest of I.M.P) the crystals so he can take the Grimoire back and finally end their agreement. Hopfully giving the two time to reflect and grow a bit before eventually crossing paths again, and maybe be able to finally communicate before they *maybe* actually have a serious relationship.
There is no way they are gonna promote broken households. Strikers is going to indirectly cause stoles to man up in front of Stella and then she'll finally se him as a man. Either blitz or Octavia is gonna get hurt by striker. Blitz will get the crystals as a reward and stoles will get the book back and stoles and blitz will become normal friends.
@@pegeta how would this "promote broken households"...? If anything, it showcases how damaging they can be and that they're things that needs to be worked through
@@pegeta stella is abusive. the household was broken from inception.
@@pegeta There are many cases where divorce is the right thing to do. Tryign to keep incompatible people together or forcing a victim to stay with their abuser just make things worse for both the parents and the children.
@@pegeta "Promote broken households"??....bruh Stella is all kinds of abusive and you're saying its a bad idea for them to show a victim of abuse getting away from their abuser(Who keep in mind tried to have him killed too) and move on cause it'll make a "broken household"?!
Stoliz is very fucking flawed but it at least has the chance to be a healthy relationship if there was communication. Hell, Stolas and Blitz are both good dads.....now give an example of Stella being a good mom and rethink about which option would have been a "broken household".
Like really you think they're gonna give even a small redeeming moment to an abuser over having 2 men that clearly really like each other just finally talk things through!?
It really deppends on the characters choices, both of them have a lot in common. Both of them came from a toxic childhood relationship with their parents, both of them are trying their hardest to give those they love a better life. Stolas do his best for his daughter while Blitz absolutelly adores Luna. He tries to be for her what his father was not for him, and I beleive it's the same for Stolas.
They both live their lifes in toxic relationships as adults too, and as much as one only wants a book and the other affection, in the end, bothh of them need and want the same thing but aren't on the same page emotionally yet. The fact that Stolas was ready to put himself down to go on a date with an Imp knowing that people would laugh at him for that, tells a lot that he cares for Blitz. The fact tha Blitz gave up because Stolas said he was his first friend, and a Quickie was actually an entire night for him, also shows he cares but don't want to.
In the end, it all deppends on what they will want to do, but I doubt they will just decide to go out and fix things and be better people because they are residents of Hell, and frankly the fact that some people can achieve actual love in hell is something very impressive, and if they can do it I'm sure those two can too. Now, what I'm wondering, is what are the consequences Stolas will face now, because, remember: He thinks he had to keep a family just because of a children, but you know how Royals are in Real Life? It's easier for someone to be removed from the royal family and throwed into the dirt for not following the rules, and a divorce plus having an affair with a low being as an Imp could be enough for them to remove Stolas from everything, including his own home. So we'll see what happens.
Plot twist: Stolas loses his position and the episode where Stolas is disguised as a human is because Blitz did end up hiring him.
(That’s my “wildly unlikely” theory, if I’m somehow right I’ll do a backflip lol.)
I thought hell didn’t care about married couples because Stella abuses him
@@abimaellopezmaylord27lopez7 they obviously care enough to arrange it. Lower class may not but the family does. It’s like the drama with celebrities, most people don’t care but it can really effect their inner circle
@@abimaellopezmaylord27lopez7 technically they don't, but Stella & Stolas put it well enough, despite the abusive relationship.
With the precautionary heir now born (and 17) they could give less of a fuck what happens to the couple. But the fact that Stolas did cheat on Stella, with the lowest class possible, in their own home, is scandal enough to put a black mark on the family/goetia name to the rest of Hell. They'll never live it down, so it might just be enough to bring some hard consequences on Stolas
@@InsanityVirus stella wants stolas to hide it but it’s too late 😢
"Because it's only when they're together that they're at peace." YES!!! I really loved this video; it has become my favorite one! Such great analysis. You did a great job at explaining everything these characters are going through (and have been through) and what the problems in their relationship are, and how they complement each other and make each other happy. But they need to talk and sort things out to avoid repeating the same mistakes and the cycle. I think this step is necessary so they can finally enjoy a healthy relationship together. I can't wait to see more of them!
God man I really want these two to work.
I haven't been so emotionally invested in a media romance since Buffy's Willow & Oz.
as a kid who comes from a family where im the only reason my parents are together- yes octavia completely knows her parents hate each other and that shes the only reason they havent divorced yet
This doesn't seem to be the case though. In episode two she said that she liked Loo loo land when she was a kid and her parents DIDN'T HATE EACH OTHER.
@@valentinkambushev4968 yeah thats how it starts. then it gets worse. and then divorce is right around the corner and youre stuck in a house watching your parents yell at each other until you can leave for college.
The painting thing makes me wonder if Paimon can't leave his palace like the Grim Reaper in Soul Eater.
That’s a pretty cool concept. But he’s a shape shifting, god like, love craftian demon king. Kinda seems weird for him to be trapped in his own house
28:09 was kinda sad (I forgot they looked at each other photos in the episode) and when he connected it to Blitzø at 28:23 I started to cry.
I really can't wait to see their relationship develop, I know Viz will definitely develop their relationship and eventually slowly communicate and open up more until they become a healthy and working couple and finally get together since they make each other really happy, I can't wait for that day to happen.
I feel a connection to Stolas. Even through I don't use drugs to cure myself, I just want to be truly loved, but I keep being used. I'm on the brink of breaking down, and I'm having issues confessing.
Same I had a situationship 2 years ago that very painfully mirrors Stolitz, only difference is that I broke free from the tie to find someone good for me, but it still burns a tender part of my heart to think about and see onscreen
I'm barely 6 minutes into the video but i have to comment at this point. I think Paimon actually does, to some extent, care about Stolas. We can all agree Paimon is actually a crap father, no matter how much he tries to say hes so good at "daddying" (that was a fantastic line and I still chuckle from it) but I think there is more to Paimon's relationship than we think (hear me out please!)
I agree he is neglectful. but hes present... to an extent. I'd be reluctant to say he didn't care. His attempts as comfort were laughable but there was some effort there at least. sure he didnt participate in stolas' actual interests, he doesnt care what stolas likes so long as he does the duties hes being raised to do, and Young stolas' butler was probably more of a father to him. When he said he'd take Stolas to the circus the butler took him with paimon on video call... but he was there. he could have not had a presence at all but he did.
He also listened to and was observant of Stolas. He listened to Stolas' comment about Blitzo worm horse joke. he noticed stolas' interest in blitzo and he acted on it to try and cheer stolas up. He did everything in such a way that it was clearly a joke but he was putting some actual effort in, in his own demonic way. And I do think he deserves a credit for that at least.
I think there is more to Paimon than what we see. I hope we see more of him at some point.
Tbh I'm willing to consider Paimon a decent father actually, but I may be biased since he reminds me of my own dad a lot lmao
@Linda Les ah, yes, I also thought that Stolas’ father is emergency food.
@@logandelacruz2152 same here.
YES YES YES YES YES !!!!! FINALY I’M NOT ALONE!!!!
I mean, Paimon had more of a presence on his son's life than my own did for me. He was only around, not AROUND if you can understand that. When he wasn't arguing with ma, he was either working, fishing, hunting, or off with 'friends', having little impact on my life overall growing up. He is more active in my life now, I'll give him that, but I think it's only like that because he is getting older and not able to move as quickly as he used to
Oh my god I didn't even realize the fact stolas still bows to blitzø when he leaves 🥺
Theory: in the recent Season 2 trailer, Octavia takes the grimoire, which Blitzø still has. While the Instagram posts aren’t 100% canon, a post shows that Stolas is teaching Via how to use it. She could be taking the grimoire to go on an adventure of her own, but her saying “take me to see the stars” accidentally takes her to Hollywood, as shown in the first Season 2 trailer. The trailer also shows Blitzø and Stolas on what looks like a Hollywood set. They could’ve teamed up to find Via. There could also be a parallel subplot with Loona cuz there was conflict with her in the recent teaser. After everything is resolved, Stolas might give Blitzø an Asmodeon crystal for helping him and so he doesn’t have to be bound by the deal. This could help their relationship because it shows that Stolas loves Blitzø and that what they have isn’t just a transaction.
Blitzo sleeps with Stolas not just out of pity, but because Stolas specifically mentions how much their friendship meant to him. And Blitzo had a very treasured, close friendship with Fizz when they were kids. (Yes, obviously something horrible happened between them, but we don't know it yet, and it's clear in the story it hadn't happened when Stolas and Blitzo met.) Blitzo's childhood sucked, clearly, but at least he had a good friend to pal around with. Stolas' childhood sucked in different ways, a big one being that he was totally alone. So I think part of Blitzo responded to that, whether he consciously recognizes it or not. "Oh shit, this pathetic rich poof thinks I actually want to sleep with him...but he WAS super lonely, and I wasn't, so..."
I LOVE the detail about Paimon and mirrors you pointed out. Might I speculate a bit with you? Paimon is insubstantial and formless until Stolas enters the room to view him (that's the cool animation we get, plus I think Viv confirmed this somewhere). Paimon therefore doesn't exist except as he is viewed by his offspring, in this case, Stolas. Stolas "makes" his father's image, to a degree, as his perception of reality grows as he matures and evolves himself. This is true for us as well. Doesn't your view of your parents change radically as you age? They take different "forms and shapes" for you as you change. Is there an objective, "correct" view of any one person? No, of course not, it's all relative. For example, when I was a kid, my father was a great superman, someone who was smart and could do no wrong. Then, after my parents' divorced, I learned that he was an adulterer, and he became a born again Christian, and I realized my image of him as an intelligent superman was false. Now, I see him as a deeply flawed nacassist with an ego the size of Jupiter. My view of him changed as I grew and saw him differently. Of course his "physical form" doesn't change, except for the usual aging, but my view of him, the way I "draw him" in my head, has altered significantly. This is normal, as we grow and evolve, we come to see our parents as people, not gods. (HINT HINT MOFOS)
Paimon then appears only in mirrors--even in the official portrait of Stolas as an adult with his "father", held in a mirror. What do mirrors do? They reflect who looks into them. You can't look in the mirror and see another different person, you can only see yourself. Stolas has only one option in life, which is to become his father. His father dictates his job, his responsibilities, his roles, his marriage, his duties. Stolas MUST be as daddy tells him. This is true for us as well. How trapped are many of us by our parents' expectations and demands? There's that stereotypical joke about Asian parents, for example, demanding flawless grades and that you grow up and be a doctor or lawyer, no other options. It's an extreme example, but clearly millions of us suffer under the weight of our parents expectations. For many of us, they do lay out and dictate our lives to an unsettling degree.
In this way, Paimon and the Ars Goetia can live forever. They impress their value system, their society structure, their law and opinion on their child, making them a carbon copy. As long as the kids do as their parents bid, the parents "survive." How far back does this go, how many generations? For the parents probably suffered the same fate, from their own parents, and on and on back in time. The "spirit" of the Ars Goetia persists when the offspring continually act out the same play. We are trapped in the "original sin" of our parents, unable to escape their view of us, forced to act out their same negative, toxic values.
I can't help but look at religion, so forgive me if no one wants to go down that path. I live in the US, surrounded by a lot of extremist, science-denying, hotly ignorant Christians. What I've heard over and over, my whole life, is this: "God has a plan for you. God has a role for you. You will obey God. God is always right and you will do exactly as he says." That's the same thing, isn't it? Someone from the past dictating your choices and decisions, telling you what is correct and incorrect, not allowing you to make your own choices? And how far back does this go, really? Why am I told to take instruction from a book written centuries ago by people living in a science-less, medicine-less, primitive society? But the ideas persist, passed down from parent to child, on and on, so we still get a bunch of people who think the earth was made in six days, despite ALL the brilliant evidence to the contrary. That's one thing for the physical world, but for morality and the soul? It's absolutely toxic. It's intergenerational trauma and abuse, compounding and snowballing from parent to child for untold centuries. No wonder things are so tough for so many right now. The writing on this show is SO GOOD, so deeply spiritual without being obvious about it. I don't know if that's Viv or Brandon Rogers (who claims to be an ordained Christian minister, and some of his skits definitely have spiritual subtext) or someone else or a combo, but it's BRILLIANT and unlike anything I've seen in pop media. And my soul is here for it!
Also, of course, the mirror serves as a great visual shortcut and joke gag for an absent father, far removed from the reality of his family. But he's not interested in crafting his family, is he? He's not interested in actually aiding or assisting his offspring, he's just going through the empty motions. "Just do as I say, don't argue, you have no choice." Sounds a lot like the Christian God in the US to me.
Underrated comment.
Now that we have seen s02e07... Holy shit you probably called the while "Blitz stayed because he has been there". BECAUSE THERE ARE HINTS THAT FIZZ WAS BLITZ'S FIRST LOVE. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 You just blew my mind.
One thing I'm interested in is... What exactly is a "precautionary heir" Paimon refers to? Technically speaking, the definition of "heir" is "a person legally entitled to the property or rank of another on that person's death" or "a person who inherits and continues the work of a predecessor"
It doesn't look like he plans to die anytime soon, so... I guess, it's the latter? But also it's not like he's short of direct offsprings. Hell, it wouldn't be a stretch to assume he can or even does produce new offsprings right now
Paimon is having plans on Octavia. Had them before she was even born. And if Stolas will go through with his divorce plan, this may make Paimon make a move on Octavia. Chilling thought, considering how good he is at "daddying"
I think you may be re ad ing too much into it. The Goetia family is high on the food chain and so they're often the target of assassinations and such. It's no surprise Paimon would want to have a heir prepared just in case.
@@sheevpalpatine6139 well, I guess. Maybe the word "heir" is used here as neither of those definitions. Still, I'm wondering why Paimon designated his granddaughter as his precautionary heir. It's a bit unusual, is it not? I would think heir as if "inheritors of his money and status" would be his children. They probably will fight tooth and nail for it, for that matter
I guess, the most down to earth explanation would be the Octavia is the "precautionary heir" to Stolas. As if she would inherit her farther's wealth in case he would be assassinated (you know, as he almost did). But this explanation is boring. Also not perfect
@@nolanstrife7350 I figured that Octavia is just one potential heir. Like a link in a chain, she’s just one more person who’ll ensure the family, as a whole, will remain in power.
Low key, I think he just doesn’t want his other kids fighting over Stolas’ job and riches when Stolas dies.
An heir like Octavia, would cut off any family infighting.
I know its a cartoon and not real, but how would these people age? Wouldnt they be immortal to a certain degree? I mean, when you hear about suffering in hell, isnt it like...forever? Lol idk hard to convey what iam trying to say 😂🤷♀️
I can't wait for The Talk. They could sit on the bed/couch/even grass in the garden and just talk about everything & I'd still watch it with open mouth.
This show is so good and idk why but these talks always make me beg for more.
Amazing video, Bro, can't wait for more :D
Imagine if the talk was under that tree they were under as kids.
The thing about Blitzo and Stolas' over the top enthusiasm is that he partially likes it. like he had the opportunity to leave when he had stolas tied up - just like he could've left when they were kids and he had his lute.
But they ended up having fun for 20 fucking hours - like they had fun when they were kids... Well, the adult version lol
I noticed that from the moment Stolas and Blitz entered the lust ring, Stolas LITERALLY stopped calling him Blitzy. Most people only noticed this change when Blitz dropped Stolas off at his house. This change was an immediate response to how "serious" Blitz seemed about taking the relationship to the next level.
I really hope viv doesn’t break the fandoms heart by making this relationship fail.Well at least I have fanfic.
No way, they’re together on the official merch (and they are happier there than they ever were in the show…), so I refuse to believe they won’t end up together
@@fictionalcharacter715 I hate to say it but it’s likely just fanservice, and hell, even a lot of Spindlehorse want it. But they are so conflicting in personality that i personally do not see it working for them unless they (by they I mean Blitzo) have some kind of major character arc.
Nooooo! If stolitz fails I will be so sad. I love this ship with almost all of soul. As you’ve said before they both need so much therapy (much like myself)
Same 😭
It won't fail. Vivzie said its a slow burn
I'll be sad too T_T
@@RandoSando. I need to see the confirmation about it when videos like this pop up. I swear after episodes that heavily feature stolitz there’s always a video popping later stating how they’re toxic, doomed to fail, unhealthy, or gonna break up.
I need to read about the confirmation that they are seriously pursuing them as a couple
@@reyfan011 How can you not see they're pursuing them as a couple ? It's as clear as the sky. It's literally one of the things the show is about. It became literally a slow burn between these two. How can people be so fucking blind ? It drawn me crazy how much people can't take ints. Do you really need one character to say "Yes. I love you with all my soul. I am so gay. I just have to resolve some issues. Please marry me." To understand what the writers are trying to do ? Like, c'mon
My favorite part of Stolitz is how despite being so shaky, the show really makes you root for the two. There’s always that thread of hope to me that the two will learn and grow. We’ve seen what it’s like and know it’s possible because of the instagram stories. They’re non-canon, but to me they’re a glimpse into an ideal world the show will someday fulfill.
now understanding how realtionships do have their ups and downs, blitz and stolas have had more downs than ups BUT WE ARE FORGETTING THE FACT THEY BOTH REALIZED they both actually genuinely love each other. As blitz is starting to realize this while stolas accepted this and gave in letting all his emotions take the best of him while blitz is having a harder time because he knows what showing your emotions can do to someone. most people are not realizing that nothing is perfect, both of the characters have toxic traits but are slowing growing up (more stolas right now than blitz) but both will eventually figure out that they can’t hide their emotions for each other much longer without it biting at them. the ship is actually really good showing that some relationships have more bad than good in the beginning until you both grow and show you are willing to change because you genuinely love one another. and blitz will realize that whenever he grows more as a character and we see more depth with him. thats why we didn’t see present day blitz in this because at the end of the last episode he was crying and they are showing us his emotions little by little showing he is changing while stolas is getting a lot of screen time because not a lot of us thought he could change his perverted, royal, selfish ways while a lot of us saw blitz wanted love but couldn’t find it but now he did and he has no idea what to do.
Thank you
25:26 the argument there is that Blitz was trying to snap Stolas' neck, but due to him being an owl that did not work and he played it off as best as possible
Can someone explain how Stolas went from "That's the sound of a f-ing divorce!" with joy and victory to
"I didn't have time to book a motel" with apologetic nervousness. That's just so out of pocket.
So why does Stolas not tell Octavia in Looloo Land about what Stella has been doing to him? And on top of this, why not take Octavia away as soon as she's born?
1. I honestly think he was just drunk and more confident. He also seems normally scared of Stella so maybe he was just trying to evade the worst of it
2. He’s obviously trying to keep face and not dump too much on octavia, and also not act out of line, so he’s taking all that stress on himself
A) Stolas was probably still riding high off the previous night, not yet understanding the scope of the consequences.
B) The through line here seems to be Stolas was trying to shield Octavia from the unhappy marriage, so of course he wouldn’t mention the abuse.
C) Gotta keep up appearances still.
The one and only reason:they didn't remember about episode 2
Many people experience highs where they snap and make quick decisions, before they realize the potential consequences and backtrack. Stolas’s was riding high from the night, probably realized the potential repercussions and then backslid. Stella obviously makes him nervous he probably backed down when confronted directly.
He didnt tell octavia because (from personal experience) it is SO hard to tell someone you're being abused
22:56 Right after he smiles at Octavia he tries to smile a good morning to Stella but it turns back to a frown once he hears what she's talking about
Poor baby Stolas. It really means something when your future wife makes you cry before you actually meet her.
Stolas made the mistake of confusing pleasure for passion. Blitzo doesn't have the emotional maturity or the drive for real relationships.
25:40 did anyone else catch that Blitz tried to snap Stolas' neck but failed because owl lol.
Yeah, but the fandom refuses to acknowledge it.
@@valentinkambushev4968 I think it just went over their heads lol
Blitzo has to understand that also an asshole like him can be loved, meanwhile Stolas has to understand what he is looking for, cause be honest...Stolas plays the role of Nobel, but all he wants is freedom from himself. He has the way to do, but...he must understand how to exist, live and be free with and like Blitzo, not only cause they have a carnal relationship
To quote the video: "it's been 8 months, I'm scratching an itch."
I don’t think Hell would last for an “eternity” considering Stolas sang a song about when the 7 rings collapse kind of hinting that Hell has a doomsday eventually.
Makes sense, since there would be a 'doomsday' in the biblical sense. Maybe when that happens and people to go the New World made by God (I know jack about Christianity, so I could be getting this wrong), hell would cease to have a purpose?
I don't think that a "doomsday" will happen within the show. Like, hell can't collapse, if it does how will this all effect Hazbin Hotel? I don't think anything all that serious could happen in Helluva Boss without having some sort of consequences on Hazbin
@@jell_bell I’m assuming the seven rings collapsing would be the doomsday of hell, it could probably be something else but that’s the best I’ve got.
“If the seven rings collapse, although the day could be my last”
Stolas saying this means not even him can probably survive this event.
@@Indictioned I'm saying that such "doomsday" event will probably not happen in the show BECAUSE it'll affect Hazbin too as well. I get what stolas was saying, but unless Hazbin starts airing too as well, I don't think a big catastrophic event could happen.
@@jell_bell Yeah, I doubt that the 'doomsday' will actually occur in Hazbin, but it's likely to occur atleast at some point post-show, even if it's god knows how long away.
“When hell freezes over” literally just watch them make a winter themed episode tho. Somehow LOL
Its entirely possible one of the rings is frozen. Out of the rings we have seen so far only Wrath has really been a hellscape (what with all the volcanoes).
@@CareerKnight When did we see the wrath ring?
@@ETIRE. Episode 5, the one with Striker.
@@CareerKnight do you know when exactly we see the volcanoes?
@@ETIRE. Yea I was looking through it again and didn't find the shot so either its a very quick shot that I just happened to miss or it was from some concept art for the ring that they showed off but didn't make it into the episode.
I feel like a lot of people are skipping over that Blitzø’s father guilted him by mentioning helping his mother. So I am glad you mentioned it.
A year later, i come here, now we know what the next move is, and we now see, Stolas on the edge of breaking, but wanting blitzø to be free to do things his way, as much as it will likely lead to blitzø as usual... pulling away
Your analysis is so good, there’s so much subtlety in their relationship that takes a while to pick up on. I love how complex it is, it’s a beautiful train wreck I can’t look away from and I love every moment
I'm an absolute sucker for relationships developing in the show, and it already being established before the show even starts is the cherry on top. There's a way to fix their relationship, and it's definitely communication. However, our owl prince is more likely to get that down before Blitzo. I feel if Blitzo breaks first, Stolis will talk soon afterwards as he's more of a follower than a leader like Blitzo is.
At it's current state, the ship can go either way and I feel it'll be beautifully explored which ever way it goes. I do hope we get to see other characters' reactions/attempts to help as it would be the perfect time for character development amongst the IMP crew
Something I noticed because of this video is when Stolas and Blitz first met as adults, Blitz intertwines his fingers with stolas's while trying to seduce him. At Ozzie's, Stolas tries to recreate that touch, only for Blitz to pull away from him. This whole episode is just feels
I started watching this show because I saw the title of this video and got curious. I binged all eight episodes in two days. Just wow. 10/10 show for me. Weirdest possible sequel to Hereditary
A crystal put in jewelry sounds a lot like a wedding ring scenario. And that idea is both intriguing and horrifying because if Stoless did propose, there's a real possibility of rejection- and I'm not sure how I'm gonna take that-
One thing I'm hoping for, if it IS a rejection, that would be a great time for Blitz to fully explain how he feels about their relationship
It would hurt them both, buuuut it could lead them to communicate better and have a better relationship?
Or maybe I'm just too hopeful. I hope not BECAUSE I WANT THESE TWO TOGETHER
Stolas’ dad is one of those dads whose so fun to hate that you can’t help liking him a little bit. I put him in the same category as Ray from Trailer Park Boys, although Ray is technically a much better dad.
Blitzo is so me. Growing up poor, seen as a lower class, No friends,Shitty and controlling parents, Doesnt like to be seen as vulnerable, and so much more.
My thoughts about Stolas in season 1
“What a pompous prurient pigeon.”
my thoughts after one new episode
“He’s a tragic character, treated like shit by his own family, demeaned and embarrassed by his wife’s constant insults and his Dads orders. He had to live his entire life based on what others wanted. Which is why Blitzø is his outlet for what he really wants. Which is a give and take relationship. He deserves a happy ending. But we all know he won’t get one.
I didnt finished it yet, but i wanted to say that watching your videos about helluva for me is a part of experiencing this show. I am not done with new episode until i see your summaries, so i am so glad you create them.
I personally don’t think they are good for each other point blank period. I think In a perfect world, they could be together, but due to many factors, they would be toxic if forced back together again. I’ll give my reasoning;
For starters, their personalities are terribly conflicting. Stolas clearly needs someone genuine and kind. It’s not that Blitzo isn’t capable of being genuine, as he can be which we saw with Luna, but it’s more so tenderness. Blitz is not the kind of person who would dote over you and ask if you are ok. I think Stolas NEEDS someone who would be that way. Stolas appears to me as being very sensitive emotionally, and I can only imagine how easily hurt he would be if faced with a cold response constantly. I am a little like Stolas in which I would not appreciate a harsh person, even if that was their way of being kind and honest. To give an example, Blitz has been sort of rigid and…unfiltered so to say from the very beggining. This was expressed when he made fun of Stolas’s love for reading and all his books. Stolas very clearly loved to learn, but Blitz didn’t appreciate that. Sure, many people may reply to me saying, “oh well, Blitz made him live a little that day” which is true…but that’s meaningless if you can’t first take a step back and appreciate a person for whom they are.
Lastly, Blitz uses Stolas. Blitz used him to rob the Goetia house, and to get the book Blitz uses to travel between worlds, AND when he asked Stolas on a date to Lust not because he wanted to see Stolas but because he was using him.
Yeah, I think you're right. Although most of the fanbase (and likely team Spindlehorse too) are _yearning_ for Stolitz, it appears - as you said - that it's a TERRIBLE idea. In fact, I've previously gone as far as saying that it's basically Stockholm syndrome for Blitzo, what with him feeling chained to Stolas and everything looking uncomfortably like he's falling in love with his captor, which would just make things WORSE for the poor guy.
As to what the alternative should be? Well, I think the two should work out their problems and work to end things on good terms, maybe even becoming friends, but not actually being in a romantic relationship (this could actually be a good solution to ALL of Blitzo's broken relationships). I'd kinda like this solution for Stolitz in particular as Stolas can still have his childhood friend while not needing to get involved in the hazardous mire that is Stolitz, while Blitz can (once he's fixed his personal issues) get together with someone who understands him better without the class divide getting in the way (at least as much), like, to pick a hypothetical example that's entered my mind for no reason in particular, an ex-girlfriend who he actually DID show public affection towards at one point (unlike with Stolas) and still has feelings for him...
My opinion of this ship can be summed up with “My mind’s telling me no, but my body… my body’s telling me YEEEEEESSS”
I really think Stolas deserves someone better though.
People can grow out of their trauma and become better version of themself. The fact that NOW they have issues, doesn't mean they can't figure them out and try to get better. Relationships irl aren't perfect either. A lot of people have issues and personal trauma, learning to grow out of them with your partner is what make a relationship real.
Broke up everytime there's a resolvible issue isn't "sane," you're just trying to hide under a shield because you don't want to face your problems. Something like that will make every new relationship toxic as hell.
It would be pretty damn realistic if Stolas and Blitz get together after working on their trauma, because they would actually grow as persons, and not drowning in their fears because "it doesn't work cuz we aren't compatible"
@@farnese__1535 I totally see there being some character arc but holy hell it’s gonna take work
@@farnese__1535 Blitz’s personality from the beginning would not be compatible with Stolas’. Blitz changing his personality wouldn’t be him growing as a person (necessarily). He can be funny, and honest, and straight forward, and crazy all he wants as long as he isn’t hurting other people or himself. Blitz’s issues don’t come from his personality. Obviously some aspects of him need to be grown out of like his lack of empathy, his inappropriate behavior (stalking Millie and Moxie for example), and using other people. Those are very possibly results of past trauma. But even if he changed all of that, what makes you think him and Stolas could be good together?
You should change yourself for you, not for another person. As of right now, I don’t think they should be together. And as of right now, I don’t see them making any changes. 🤨
Also, to use one of my previous points as an example, Blitz’s “issues” weren’t the cause of him making fun of Stolas’ love for reading…or his using of Stolas when they went to Lust.
Saying, “our personalities clash and we don’t have the same ultimate goals” isn’t hiding behind anything. Forcing relationships to work is far more toxic. You of course want to try and work out your problems before just breaking up on the spot, and of course relationships are a give and take, but having sex with someone just to get something from them, using that person to spy on another person, and then insulting their interests is NOT normal. They do NOT have a normal relationship. And claiming all of that, which I would honestly call malicious behavior, “normal”, is not ok.
This is one of the best analyzations I have seen of this ep and of Stolitz’s dynamic as a whole and it truly changed my understanding of each of their respective characters, major kudos man I loved the vid !
Coming back from E6 S2, yes this does happen. at least, stolas asks ozzie for the crystals. and he says yes, eventually.
The cynical part of me is wondering if the way the relationship goes depends on how the stolas and blitz\stolas relationship themed merch sells. I mean, if you look at the original photos of the summer pin collection feature a TON of blitzxstolas stuff unlike earlier seasonal sales. All earlier ones focused on
m&m and charliexmillie. Vivipop, while ok with crack-pairings in fanfic, will NOT sell non-canon merch. That said, stories change so who knows how the things pan out.
Did you mean CharliexVaggie?
Opps, ya. I meant Vaggie. My bad
No no no. Shes gonna let it happen. It's confirmed but it's gonna be forever
@@Ambipie where did she say that? Pretty huge spoiler to just randomly drop.
Isn't that because the relationship wasn't shown that much in the beginning of season 1, we started getting merch of them together after the striker ep, no? While C×V & M×M are canon and have been from the start so of course we'd get couple pins of them from the beginning. They usually wait until the ep is out to incorporate the new stuff in merch, which is why people were sad there were no kiddo or Stolitz pins during the Halloween drop
If you told the me that watched the very first episode that I would actually like blitzø or stolas as characters much less them as a couple I would've laughed in your face but here we are with me crying after every episode
I can’t wait for the next episodes and this has cleared up a lot so thanks :)
Like how the two have broken the cycle of their dads and somewhat of the system they’re in (Blitzo starting a business and Stolas rebelling against his family), wouldn’t it be fitting for them to break their own cycle eventually?
Personally, I think it would be more realistic if Helluva Boss ends with both of them figuring things out, it’s not an ending where they already talked and it’s fine and happy now, it would feel more “raw” if they just started to talk.
One of the interesting point of this is the dynamic childhood friend, the reason both are in it and the aftermath that might actually help them both into a better direction.
Since, they cannot hide it because of episode 7.
The catalyst for this relationship S2 episode 1 and pilot.
Season 2 will be the messy divorce and character development for everyone directly and indirect and also Stolas have a death flags on him and it going to be crazy
Or if their kids end up have what they couldn't?
@@erikbihari3625 Only when Loona stops having feeling for tex. But then again Anything possible for Season 2
@@blackskullknight9062 I meant their kids gonna have a relationship with each other! They won't be partners, but in laws.
@@erikbihari3625 OH. Yeah at some point Those two will be best friends or Loona will be the Older Sis to Octavia
@@blackskullknight9062 I meant the adopted werewolf kid to the actual blood relative owl.
18:09 that’s why the song felt so sad and nostalgic near the end of the episode, that’s actually a smart thing for the developers to do, even if you don’t remember the song, you brain uses that song to connect stolas’s and blitzos relationship, so when you hear it when the relationship is at its lowest, it really hits hard (also, this song is just sad and heartfelt in general)
the music used in the date night scene and the chandelier scene was also used in the scene where loona called blitzo dad
Dude, you have so many lines in this where I just burst out laughing and scared the dog.
“Like the Disney Princess he is…” 🤣🤣🤣
Good work. I really enjoyed this video.
Something that has been kinda bothering me with how these sequences of events have been playing out is Octavia’s reaction to Stolas’ affair and the destruction of her parents marriage.
In episode two we learn that at some point before the affair happened she states that her parents “didn’t hate each other”, but Stella had apparently always been very vocal about her disdain for Stolas long before the affair occurred. So either Stella was such an absent figure in Octavia’s life that she never witnessed her being cruel to her father first hand up until after Stolas slept with Blitz, making her outrage seem justified, or Stella would take on a completely different (most likely fake) persona around Octavia to appear as a loving mother and wife and only verbally abuses her husband in private to keep Octavia on her side as further leverage against Stolas.
But even with either of these explanations, this latest episode made it seem that the affair happened right before the events of episode two, with Stella’s dialogue implying that she had just found out about the affair. And yet Octavia acts as if this is a very typical occurrence and she’s very much over it. Like her father consistently cheating on her mother is what’s creating such a hostile environment. Which made sense at the time. If Stolas didn’t cheat on Stella, she wouldn’t be getting so vocally furious at him. But if Stella had always been blatant about how much she didn’t actually care about her husband and daughter, why would Octavia be acting as if things were ok before and claiming that Stolas had ruined their family?
I feel like Stella and Stolas really did have a previously established agreement that if Stella acts civil and at times even loving towards Octavia when they are all together, Stolas would allow her to be in complete control of their relationship, essentially becoming a doormat to keep her ego satisfied. But now that she’s been publicly embarrassed by Stolas’ actions, that deal went completely out the window. This is the only way this would make sense because if Stolas was really sacrificing his own happiness and mental health all for Octavia’s sake, it wouldn’t be very logical to keep her around a mother that’s terrible all the time. Octavia was never going to live a normal life if all she witnesses throughout her childhood is both of her parents looking and acting miserable because they’re married to each other.
Also, if we really are to believe that the events of episode two happened immediately after this latest episode, then Stolas immediately inviting his fling to act as a bodyguard at an amusement park the very next day only to flirt with him the entire time despite both Blitz and Octavia being visually uncomfortable with his demeanor is a really dick move. Especially since he claimed to be doing this to make Octavia feel better (or better rather distract her from what was going on at home), yet he brings along the cause of the tension in the first place.
That always plagued my mind as well! I wish we got to see Octavia and Stella's relationship since they like,, never interact? I wish we got at least a scene of them together to see their dynamic.
@@scoutsleftnut13 Agreed. On the phone call in this episode, Stella asked why Stolas was trying to turn Octavia against her, showing that she probably does have a sorta fake persona around her, whenever she does interact with her. She's probably like that absent parent who only ever shows up on holidays and acts all friendly, then ghosts you💀
@@scoutsleftnut13we might see it in the future
Obsessed with this commentary qnd binging all of your Stolitz content now 🤘🏻
qnd I don't remember that word 💀
Can't help noticing that Stolas only went along with the "pirate game" after asking Blitz if it was an imp game and having it confirmed. Baby's first accidental microaggression, and possibly the origin of the rest. After all, the first time he brought it up, they had a fantastic time. So, he's been pressing that same button as an adult, not realizing how much of a sore spot its become
Was it not an aggression that Blitzo’s only reason for having contact with Stolas is to steal and gain and take advantage of him?
@@science_bear that's just stealing, not microaggression
@@rougestarlight4308 I didn’t say microaggression, just aggression. It’s still an aggressive behavior.
I mean he’s not familiar with their culture so I feel like it’s a fair question?
@@dinosaur___7209 At the time, sure. Kids are innocent and step on toes all the time, regardless of the situation. "Kids say the darnedest things," right? I was just calling out how it's the origin of their dynamic, and how unhealthy that dynamic is to continue now that they're adults
While it does look hopeless, I like to believe that this can still work despite the odds. Giving Blitz an Asmodean Crystal so he can enter the human world without the Grimoire and ending their arrangement could FINALLY signal to him that Stolas DOESN'T want to control him.
Something bombastic might also happen to force them to open up to each other, much like how Blitz and Moxie's drug trip in captivity led to them having a heart-to-heart and becoming closer. Given that everything points at Stolas' life being in even greater danger now that he and Stella are getting divorced, and that Blitz was not keen on the LAST time someone tried to assassinate the owl, it's possible that he'll somehow get involved and have to save Stolas from the next attempt on his life.
This is just speculation on my part, but hey, the show has caused bits of character development due to external circumstances plenty already, it's reasonable to predict this route. And maybe hope for it.
I honestly don't understand the hate for this episode lol. you have just explained everything. thanks
I think a good chunk of it comes from people feeling it "ruined Stella's character" as they had theory-crafted it to be by establishing that she was a bitch before the affair. They all seem to have the assumption that complex is always better when really a character should only be as complex as the story needs them to be and there is nothing inherently wrong with a "simple" character (I mean just look around UA-cam and you will find people lamenting that Disney hasn't had a good pure evil villain since the renaissance ended).
@@CareerKnight Personally, she seems like a main antagonist for the season, that's why I- and other people- want to see a more complex character rather than just being evil because the plot needs her to be.
Not to mention other characters have so much more complexity when compared to most female characters (often gets mentioned, Verosika is as complex as female characters seem to get with Blitzo's and her backstory and all lmao)
@@ElleeDraws She could be but so far Striker seems more important than her, I mean in the present she has yet to interact with anyone besides Stolas and doesn't seem to care about IMP or even Blitz.
@@CareerKnight Still, she got enough screentime and a base motive to go off of, it would be such a waste to have her appear as a minor villain if she already hired an assassin and threatened Stolas
@@ElleeDraws true but I wouldn't be surprised if ultimately her role in creating conflict in the series was to put Striker against IMP and Stolas. She will probably still be standing once he is dealt with but I wouldn't expect it to be for much longer after he is gone. Honestly I think its way too soon to go into this and try guess at how its going to go because we are still very much at the start of this story and there are likely several very important characters to Helluva Boss's story that we haven't even been introduced to at this point.
Congrats, the vid is so good!!
32 minutes that definitely didnt waste my time, thank you
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their pain management methods are like falling from a high distance and hitting a bunch of tree branches to avoid fall damage
I think the reason I'm just not interested in Stolas and this ship as a whole, is that, while I kinda like Blitz, I have a hard time believing anyone would fall for him considering how much of his jerky side we often see. And being into Blitz is basically 70% of this dude's character.
That's fair. Plus the two just barely have enough chemistry to be shippable, so I could definitely see it not working out
@@Falcon-doing-doodles I said being a jerk doesn't make you a wrong person. The problem is certain personality types make it harder to find a relationship. Even if you want one. Blitz needs someone patient, someone that likes to fight. Being in a relationship is work. That is basically the same with life in general. Life is effort; you stop when you are dead.
@@undeadblizzard I'm not entirely sure what your comment has to do with mine, though I don't think you're wrong
I understand Stolas, lowkey. I feel like he'd fall for ANYONE that would give him an ounce of attention, then make his affection for them 70% of his personality because he's "boring" otherwise (watch his father and child blitz' reaction to him whenever he was excited, specifically that scene when he was showing his books). It probably is the same case for Octavia; he genuinely loves her, yes, but I think he's also overflowing her with affection because he has no other outlet for it (his wife is uninterested), and he doesn't want her to feel the loneliness he had when he was her age.
Someone like Stolas, who feels empty, would fall for someone as bad as Blitz, just because they want to desperately cling to something that distracts them from their loneliness. Replace Blitz with Verosika or Luna and imo it'll be the same; the only difference is what their reason would be to keep staying with him, and how long.
Tldr; him falling for Blitz is more because of his own issues than Blitz' "attractive" qualities imo.
@@hugnboba Stolas married early and spent his time reading books like a nerd. His wife doesn't even pretend to respect him. I understand it isn't being alone but feeling alone.
I blush every time I see them together, they're my favorite couple and I would die to see them having an actually nice soft moment together, my hearth is so rotting for it. I'm so going to fall crying on the floor the second they split apart, I just know I'm not going to be able to take it, god, I just really love them, the chemistry they have, they're "transaction" as Blitz calls it doesn't seem to be bad, even tho blitz see's it as this thing he has to do I don't doubt he has fun while doing it, and Stolas is so caring and attentive.
And so it hurts me to see that due to all their trauma and complexes they both are so far apart from each other while getting so close so often and having this opportunity of being so happy together.
Blitz obsession with pirates as a kid kind of explains why he uses a flintlock when you think about it.
Yh, those were one of the main guns used during the golden age of piracy.
The story between these characters feels so real!😌
I don’t personally watch Helluva Boss, but I do keep up with your videos discussing the ship. From how you described the ship initially, it did start off with the air of benefits between the two and not out of an actual want. Stolas, as from what I’ve heard, never wanted to be married to his wife but wanted to be with someone he liked but status got in the way, so came about the arrangement.
Blitz has a problem of letting others in and his need to want to be capable. His past holding him back and wanting to let others in.
Most of my investment comes from watching your videos and how you analyze the ship with such passion and interest between the two characters. It is really up to you if it is.
Another great video.
You should watch it. It is avaliable om youtube, in case you did not know.
16:26 I think Buckzo was alluding to scarier things that could happen to Blitzo as he grows older. Meaning this is the least bad thing he will do compared to what's coming up next for Blitzo.
Best video I've seen about these two si ce years new ep, keep up the great work
These characters are like a chocolate factory burning to the ground, you know things aren't getting better by watching it but the smell is keeping you there
Stolas deserves better than both his wife and Blitzo.
"...which will happen as soon as hell freezes over"
Andrealphus: bet
18:08
That's stolas leitmotiff, it plays at every emotional scene featuring stolas. It plays in episode 2, episope 6, episode 7, you get the idea