I came to the EXACT same conclusion about the finger gun thing. Harley would have NEVER even known to do that. It’s like Todd doesn’t even know his own movie. You are the first person I’ve seen touch on this; thank you!
You articulated all my issues. There is a truly incisive movie in there, in bits and pieces, but it tries to have a little of everything and in the end doesn't really cover anything. I was thinking that the core themes remind me of some old (psychological?) thrillers by Cronenberg, and I think that's the kind of hand it needed. Also, kudos, the shower scene was both unnecessary and kinda disturbing in such a callous inclusion.
Hate to say it but yes. This is what fan service culture has brought us. Unneeded sequels, retcons, reboots etc. We "demanded more" now all we have is quantity over quality. We are all guilty.
I don't understand how the movie could be this bad and illogical. Like it's hard to believe it's the same writers 'cause this is just messy and overlooks so many inconsistencies. The first Joker was inspired by other movies but the dialogue writing was good and made sense. With this it's like they don't care and just thought it be an easy buck.
Never giving a thought, to the delusions that he had in the first film. Making up an entire romantic encounter in his mind, with a complete stranger. Never giving a thought to the fact that a person magically appearing in his solitary cell is 99.9% the same thing occurring
I don’t think it has anything to do with Heath ledger. Joker 2019 ended with him wiping blood on his face to make a smile. This one ended with a guy making a more permanent mark. He’s more committed to the joker movement As you said. This operates outside of standard DC universe…so stop thinking about it. Heath ledgers joker had cuts on his face. And the comic book joker cut his whole face off. Arthur flecks murderer did something similar. It doesn’t mean they’re connected
Let’s hope for a Todd Phillips’ Snyder version to loop in and save this one like it was done with JL! Whatever the argument would be, I wish this could be saved... Why WB? Whyyyyyyy?
This movie reminds me of and basically mirrors Rob Zombies Halloween 2. Its messy, disconjointed, tries doing something different only to ultimately fail, and a director who's completely burned out from the concept bc of studio interference. Both were hated by fans, both are objectively pretty bad movies. I believe they both are a result of director self sabotage, you intentionally make something bad knowing people wont want another. I believe thats exactly what both movies were doing and why they are both so shit.
What don't you understand??? You can't understand a true psychopath, the film is shit but it's clever. I like how a random unknown comes out shivving, that's reality. Not entertainment.
But movies are meant to be entertainment and to have a message, if I wanted to now about random acts of violence with little to no point to it, I'd watch the news, can't be more "that's reality" than that.
I came to the EXACT same conclusion about the finger gun thing. Harley would have NEVER even known to do that. It’s like Todd doesn’t even know his own movie. You are the first person I’ve seen touch on this; thank you!
You articulated all my issues. There is a truly incisive movie in there, in bits and pieces, but it tries to have a little of everything and in the end doesn't really cover anything. I was thinking that the core themes remind me of some old (psychological?) thrillers by Cronenberg, and I think that's the kind of hand it needed. Also, kudos, the shower scene was both unnecessary and kinda disturbing in such a callous inclusion.
Hate to say it but yes. This is what fan service culture has brought us. Unneeded sequels, retcons, reboots etc. We "demanded more" now all we have is quantity over quality. We are all guilty.
This wasn’t the movie we deserved and it wasn’t the one we needed right now.
Oh it most certainly is …..
Need proof…… read your reaction to it … go on have a think …
I don't understand how the movie could be this bad and illogical. Like it's hard to believe it's the same writers 'cause this is just messy and overlooks so many inconsistencies. The first Joker was inspired by other movies but the dialogue writing was good and made sense. With this it's like they don't care and just thought it be an easy buck.
The key to this movie is when and where Harley Quinn became just a figment of his imagination
Never giving a thought, to the delusions that he had in the first film. Making up an entire romantic encounter in his mind, with a complete stranger.
Never giving a thought to the fact that a person magically appearing in his solitary cell is 99.9% the same thing occurring
It can't be anything to do with Ledger's Joker. It can have to do with WB politics and Christopher E(go). Nolan.
I don’t think it has anything to do with Heath ledger.
Joker 2019 ended with him wiping blood on his face to make a smile.
This one ended with a guy making a more permanent mark. He’s more committed to the joker movement
As you said. This operates outside of standard DC universe…so stop thinking about it.
Heath ledgers joker had cuts on his face. And the comic book joker cut his whole face off. Arthur flecks murderer did something similar.
It doesn’t mean they’re connected
Let’s hope for a Todd Phillips’ Snyder version to loop in and save this one like it was done with JL! Whatever the argument would be, I wish this could be saved... Why WB? Whyyyyyyy?
Maybe he killed the doctor at the end but there was never any proof he did it and not another patient.. although HE DID have blood on his shoes so...
F Todd Phillips he does not dictate comic book lore
This movie reminds me of and basically mirrors Rob Zombies Halloween 2. Its messy, disconjointed, tries doing something different only to ultimately fail, and a director who's completely burned out from the concept bc of studio interference. Both were hated by fans, both are objectively pretty bad movies. I believe they both are a result of director self sabotage, you intentionally make something bad knowing people wont want another. I believe thats exactly what both movies were doing and why they are both so shit.
Or you were hoping that you get a premier invite that is why you were giving it a positive hype?
lol no. But I did get a premiere invite, just couldn’t go.
I loved it, but you wouldn´t get it:::::::)))))))
What don't you understand??? You can't understand a true psychopath, the film is shit but it's clever. I like how a random unknown comes out shivving, that's reality. Not entertainment.
But movies are meant to be entertainment and to have a message, if I wanted to now about random acts of violence with little to no point to it, I'd watch the news, can't be more "that's reality" than that.