Belief in karma = belief in god
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I had once asked a friend of mine who believed in Karma about how do they account for kids who are born horribly disabled or kids with extremely dire diseases (like kids going through cancer). My friend replied that those kids must have sinned in their previous life. You can justify a lot of crap based on the concept of Karma (like discrimination on the basis of birth as well).
Indeed. And it seems to be the primary purpose to which the doctrine is put by those who claim to believe it. Always someone else's Karma, never one's own.
Again "REBIRTH" has it's Origin in the Buddhist Scriptures.
According to the Buddha, every moment an emotion rises, and bust, like bubbles in a boiling water. You are born every moment, and You die every moment, and you are born again.
If you create Good Thoughts, you'll give birth to More Good Thoughts, which will Make You HAPPY.
If you create Bad Thoughts, You will give birth More Bad Thoughts, which will Harm You FIRST.
@@shenoyenterprisesok but that must be interpreted in this current life, we are living now. It should not be extrapolated that Buddha believed in the next life, in reincarnation.
@@YV-2000 That's a Big Myth.
"Siddharth Gautama the Buddha" was born in 564BCE(approximately), it's 2500. His language was Pali.
Lot of his words are Lost in Translation. Also like the Chinese Whisper things have altered/ interpreted from generation to generation.
Many Cultures have adopted the Teachings of "Siddharth Gautama the Buddha" as per the convience of their Culture.
The term "Karma" is mostly attributed to Bhagwat Geeta which is intrinsic part. Mahabharata (compiled in 4CE).
According to some Historians Bhagwat Geeta was separate book written in 3-2 BCE. It was included in Mahabharata in 4CE.
@@shenoyenterprises Whatever you wrote in this comment about Buddha I agree. I know lots of Buddha teachings have been lost. You yourself claimed rebirth is the phenomenon talked about in Buddhism. If lots of teachings are lost how are you claiming the fact about rebirth then.
I think it is good that your channel has only a few subscribers. One you are able to make videos like this boldly. Secondly you are able to have discussions with the commenters which always feels so good to the few people who see your videos and take time to engage with them. Quality is always better than Quantity.
So nice of you
i would prefer him to have more subscribers tho, it not only spreads his opinion to more people but also supports him financially. Also, small bubbles tend to get a small spectrum of people, would be cool to get more ideas contrasting his to really get the full picture.
@@slumpsalot he has 3 lakh+ following on ig tho
This is the best atheist channel.
There are some Atheist channels where they insult only Hinduism and Hindus but indirectly promote Buddhism.
Wow, just wow.
I was not even aware about this line of thinking, that morality is a social/human construct. It surely makes sense!!!
Thanks a lot man❤.
Absolutely great explanation...smoothly explained and easy to understand...
Agreed with you Vimoh
Deep deep shit. Totally agree. You gave words to my scattered thoughts. Love & peace.
Thanks Kalpit. Not too deep I hope. My aim is to make things accessible and understandable.
@@vimoh you’re doing a beautiful work at it. Keep it up! Also those comic posters are dope!
Man you deserve million subscriber 👍
Heere ki kadar sirf johri ko hoti hai
I respect that title. It says what many refuse to admit for some odd reason. Perhaps because no specific god is named? Eastern religions have been a go-to for many Western religious drop-outs who want something a little less rigid. But, to me, the theory of Karma & reincarnation is just as frightening as any of the rest. Personal or impersonal makes no difference when it comes to god (or any supernatural intelligence that judges, etc.). It actually gets very little attention when you look about online. Atheists tend to address personal gods. So who's dealing with this less defined, but just as potent, material that you've brought up here? Not many at all. Thank you for this upload.
That was a very nice way to think. Very simple but no-one thinks like that. I don't know why.
Eagerly waiting.
Atheist is someone who doesn't believe in claims of existence of any god. Does it matter whether the god is personal or not?
No. That's the point.
We’re projecting an anthropic view upon everything. I know atheists who do the same to nature.(not necessarily consciously)
महाशय आप कर्मा का सिद्धांत हिंदी में भी बनाइये ताकि जिन्हें अंग्रेजी नही आती तो वो इस सिद्धांत को समझ सके धन्यबाद🙏
The modern idea of Karma as a moral law is quite new and really is from the influence of post Mahavira Jainism. Older ideas are based on action and causality but early Advaita philosophers already had the idea that the bird flying at the same time as the coconut falling from a tree is a false causality (superstition).
The Concept of Karma pre dates Bhagwat (which was written in 2-300 BCE), its original are found in Buddhist Scriptures 500 BCE.
The Original Concept of Karma is very different from the current context.
According to Buddha, when a person gets angry, he/she creates so much anger within him/ her it effects him/ her first.
Yes sir that what it is.,
@@human_being6969 Yes indeed and practical toothan logic . seed has also effect but blind believing focus on fruit. which is not true always
That's how I understand it too: Karma means consequence. It appeals to one's intuitive thinking, what with the butterfly effect now being a well known concept.
I can see the benefit of thinking through long term consequences, but the problem with that is that Karma encourages reductionist thinking. Kind of like The Secret encouraging people to think that if I don't get what I want, I must not be putting enough energy into manifesting it by belief.
Wrong.
We need more people like you
The notion of Karma is so fraught with philosophic rational problems because the notion/definition is faulty!
Mystically, Karma is the momentary (local) reflection of the Absolute Perfection/Balance of (Duality) the One (ALL-inclusive) Universe!
This deeper definition removes the philosophical problems and the influence of 'local traditions'.
Knowing, living this is the very essence of Faith!
Whatever the moment brings is in perfect accord with the Universe, whether comfortable or not.
Just accept with Gratitude and never trouble yourself over Karma again!
Acceptance is unconditional Love and Karma is 'God'.
To accept Karma is to accept 'God' (Consciousness, Nature, Universe, whatever you want to call It...)!
Absolutely brilliant👍👍👍.... What you just said is said by gaudapada in karika... Upanishads doesn't believe in karma either. I read that on ramkrishna mission library. Ashtavakra also says this and also shankara.
This is what happens when someone from arts thinks he is master in science😂😂
I believe, we have a free will but we are not free from the consequences of our actions.
Also, whatever you do comes back to you...suppose, with that free will if we do something wrong and get rid away with that because that didn't get noticed... Humein zarur lag sakta hai ki hum bach gye. Ab humari hi tarah ke Soch ke aur bhi log hain... Aur high probability is kabhi na kbhi aap apni hi tarah ke vyakti se takrayenge n iss baar victim aap honge.
To morality ka purpose yahi sikhana gai ki jo aap apne liye nhi chahte, wo ap dusron k saath mat karen. Lekin, hum kitna usko follow kar rahe hain..? Isliye, aise situations aate hain ki jb aap apne good aur wrong deeds ka realisation kar paatey hain... Cz, apke bhi wo experience banenge.
N still, what do you choose with each experience is a piece of learning... Suppose hum repeatedly cheat ho rahe hain to humne apne experiences se learn hi kiya boundaries set karna.
"Karma" To zero ho hi nhi sakta, aur koi bhi karma bina consequences/result k nhi ho sakta and result har baar manchaha ho zaruri nhi... Aur manchaha naa ho ye bhi zaruri nhi.
To actually, Gita ki sabse important seekh yahi hai jo hum bahut selective hoke skip kar jaatey hain ki -" tumhare control mein sirf karma hai... You have choices and whatever you choose, becomes your karma." Karma ki responsibility apki hai. Aap kya choose karte hain... Ye apki responsibility hai.
But kyunki human nature hai ki wo result ko soche bina kuchh karta nhi... Cz wo basic driving force hai uski choices k liye...
Hum accha hona, ya acche kaam Karna organic way mein nhi karte... Koi hidden agenda hota.. Jo andar mein chalta hai. Isliye humari choices conditioned hoti hai... Aur phir clash hota hai consequences k reference mein ki -"kya fayda accha karne ya accha banne ka"?
To... Gita shayad iss clash ko phir se address karti hai ki.. Tum result ko mat rou.
Morality k saath bhi yahi issue hai ki hum moral usi limit tk hote hain Jahan tk fayda hai... Hum cheezon ko relative sense mein morality k tarazu mein rakhte hai... Jaise, untouchability ko so called upper classes n so called educated log Bada criticize karte dikhenge .... Lekin, unki routine life mein wo usko practice karte nhi dikhenge.
To definitely, Maine apne parents ko bhi question kiya ki agar poorane acche karmo se agar aap aaj so called upper class mein paida hue hain... To possible hai ki apki ye dusre ko neecha dekhne ki Soch se aap kabhi so called lower class mein paida ho jayenge? Cz, ye bhi karmic account chal raha hai... Purana jaisa tha.. Aaj Kaisa hai ye bhi to dekhna padega!!! N maze ki baat, wo isse ease ke saath ignore karte hain ki aage ki aage dekh lenge... That means, wo consciously aaj bhi apni conditioning k hisaab se hi cheezein Chun rahe hain...
I think atheist k liye bht sorted hota hai sab kuchh... N believers ulajh jatey hain... Faayde nuksaan ke beech...
When someone does something bad already is suffering out of ignorance. The fact that someone has a capacity to do something bad I the result of being detached from God. This person is already paying their karma. This person must realise the cause of this suffering and make a choice to set himself free from karma, or keep in the cycle.
Morality isn't unique to humans. You are right in saying that humans developed morality as a way to maintain order in society. But so do any other social animal(eg. other primates, elephants) . Social bonding is present in many other animals, and so is morality.
Besides that, completely agree with you and love the video :)
They have the appearance of altruism and other social behaviour. But that's not morality. Morality, as humans practise it, has a supernatural angle. Thanks for liking the video.
I think we definitely can not say anything about karma, reincarnation or god. It is simply we don't know😅. Whether these things exist or not.
Simple and lucid.....Keep it up.
Nice one🌹❤️
4:58 japan and nordic countries are example that morality has nothing to do with religion or god,, difference is that different relegions give different type of understanding of morality and immortality and by the time religion eventually ends up in blind faith
Chrvaka ka koi saboot nahi hai phir bhi vo nastik darshan hai.
2:25 real actions has real consequences. There is nothing like karma as explained in any religious philosophy. But there are actions and reactions.
Acintita Sutta.
Also Buddha said karma is intentional deed .
Please refer to Jataka Tales by Buddha
I'd recommend you to make a collab video with @The Indian Atheist . This is their youtube channels name they made some good videos..
I have actually messaged them. Their channel is on a hiatus. When they come back, we will see what can be done.
@@vimoh 👍🏾
@@vimoh Heyy, talk with Science Journey
@@billybutcher6504 Already have
@@vimoh Seriously???? Please send me the link of that video.
Buddha believe in ' IMPERMANANCE OF THINGS '
Very well explained 👍🏼👌🏼👏🏼👍🏼❤️😊
But I thought karma is just cause and effect so karma is real, right?
Justice doesn't exist in nature. It's a function of human society.
Theist atheist don't know karma defination:- कर्मण्येवाधिकारस्ते मा फलेषु कदाचन ।
मा कर्मफलहेतुर्भुर्मा ते संगोऽस्त्वकर्मणि ॥. It was never mean do good you will get good or do bad you will get bad. But logically if we will keep on abusing people will abuse us . if we keep on kindness we will get kindness. It not true always hence above definition is valid but even such thing won't happen the anger that we will generate will harm us. So call the expecting to happen anything good will also cost us. What you mention if that way people will take then it is not karma it is foolishness.
Bro...u should write books.
If karma is real then why god form the beginning not tell all humans i am the god and follow karma and why he didn't stop other religions and make all people follow karma
Ok explain to me a person like hitler who killed millions of people and made them suffer.
And all there agony and sadness would have created so much of negative emotional energy right? So he doesn't gets affected by all of his work?? Who will assume the outcomes of these results?
If karma is correct then why god come to dream and tell our past life
What do you think about the current wave of 'Indic Wingers'. They are claiming that Varnashasram is the best system a society should be based on. At some of their materials(Sangam Talks, Jaipur Dialogues, Rajiv Malhotra) have claimed that Karma. which is one of the basis of deciding your Varna, isn't based on your actions on previous birth, just your actions on current birth.
In every age, there have been people who have sought to provide modern legitimacy to casteism. These people are no different. As for Karma not being based on past lives, that's pretty much in contradiction to their own religion. While these guys present posh arguments in favour of caste, their less peaceful counterparts kill people for the same. It's a well-oiled machine.
I thought the word Atheist meant the person who does not believe in any form of God.
I may be making a video and countering your points in future, as you took the concept of karma more in a religious way rather as universal concept.
You actually missed the whole big thing bro
BTW tq for being a responsible Rationalist
Please send me a link when you do. Hope it's in English.
@@vimoh brother I thought of making in hindi, hope you understand cuz I need to reach more people. According to me if the person is already watching English content he is more likely to be Rationalist and doesn't believe it shitty things anymore. But in rural and hindi belt people should be educated about rationality where kattar believes exist.
@@kannadafactstar Hindi is ok. I thought you'll make it in Kannada.
Looking forward
Sir hindi m bhi veido banaye. Is topic par
Why can't materialist be used instead. Atheism by definition relates to the non-existence of god/gods, does not mention about rejecting divine machinations. If others thinks materialists are amoral people that's their dumb prerogative.
Also I dislike the usage/movement of atheism as someone's sole identity. That attracts religious mosquitos that atheists are spammy like vegans etc. A person can be materialistm, or could be communist, or could be nihilist and that person by virtue will implicitly be an atheist, as one of many effects of having one of those overarching ideological identities..
Please sir in Hindi
Sir hindi me bhi iss topic ko laiye
Athirst means doesn't believe in god, karma , sprit right then spend the one whole day and night in most haunted place in india .
Send money and tickets.
@@vimohyou see man, first these people use logic to justify their religion When that fails, they resort to the fear element. When that fails, he will resort to threatening. When that fails, there is a fair chance that he will become an atheist😂.
then how murdering a animals for food is justified
Who said it is justified?
Why need justification?
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I think you have reached a stage where you are convinced yourself that what you think is an absolute truth and that what you think is the only perspective that should exists.
Regarding Karma, it is a very wrong translation that if you do good karma good will happen to you and vice versa. Its bullshit explaination.
The verse from Geeta says
"karmanye vadhikaraste ma phaleshu kadachana"
Meaning you have right or control over your Karma but not its fruits/repercussions.
It never said that if you do good will will get good and vice versa.
What the philosophy says or means is you have control over your actions, so choose ur actions wisely as u do not have control of its aftermath.
wrong translation
Hindi me jada achhe se samjh me aata please tell hindi
Am also atheist
Buddha ne kon sa ishwer diya thaa ? Koi nahi kya aap Buddha ko nastik nahi mante ?
I believe In Karma, but not in the traditional sense, science says every action has an equal and opposite reaction. This is a very oversimplification to explain how I interpret Karma.
I think you are just talking about some kind of domino effect. Is it?
In a small way maybe but to be a dominos effect the reaction would have to grow or continue, so not really the same as my belief but I see your angle.
Sirf buddha Tathagat hai.nastik ki shurvat hi buddha se hui hai. Jiska koi saboot nahi vo charvaka ko aap nastik bulate ho aur buddha ka name nahi lets kyu
हिंदी में दो आप तो
I think you have not basically understood the concept of Karma it doesn't stress too much just on morals but on the duty. Lion eating a deer is basically not wrong because it is doing what it is bound to do and thats the law of nature. Thus you can infact people who told you or where you heard it to be moral is ofcourse in its standard. But humans have civilized and thus they have different set of duties. Deer trying to escape is its duty and at the same time it might some time stay back to protect its kid and thats what the nature and this creation made them. Can you find an immoral animal? I am not sure as of now I haven't researched. But we can research on it by few things. Every common cuckoo steals other birds nest and that is its nature and thus it cannot be called immoral. And in case if only few common cuckoos steal other birds nest for no reason then it is immoral which you won't find. Karma is a complex concept tho.
According to your logic, same can be said for humans.
Really Sorry to say but YOU & Many didn’t understand the concept of Karma, and oversimplified it
Bro, karma isn't real, get over it, there are many people who do bad things but don't get karma for it, that's the truth. What karma did Hitler get for all he did??
@@rocky3850 read my statement again
@@ApoorvSaurabh there is nothing else to be inferred from your statement except for a potential ad hominem unless you elaborate further
@@loop4569 alright, let me elaborate a little…
Kamra theory doesn’t mean that your karma would come back to you i.e. if you did something good/ bad to someone, same would occur to you.
It talks about the kind of aura you create within the world because of your karma, if you did something good, it’ll have an impact & the vice verse
It might or might not come back to you, but it’ll surely have a rippling effect
@@rocky3850 Kamra theory doesn’t mean that your karma would come back to you i.e. if you did something good/ bad to someone, same would occur to you.
It talks about the kind of aura you create within the world because of your karma, if you did something good, it’ll have an impact & the vice verse
It might or might not come back to you, but it’ll surely have a rippling effect
What hitler did will effect the Jews for a long long time now, neither they will forget it nor will they let the world forget. In order to avoid the same they’ll do a lot of good and bad thing, then some other people community will be affected then they would retaliate, then so on and so on…
Hope you got my point