Why I am not a Hindu Atheist
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True bro
Love the way u talk,ur logics.
Where r u from?
Would like to connect with you.
How can I?
Jo hindu Upanishads hai usme guru aur shishya ke beech jo sawal jawab hua hai woh likha hai. Bad mai logo ko aasan language mai maz aaye iske liye story form banaya. log dharam follow kre issliye devo/god ki concept aaiye. Agar log adharam ke tare kese jiye tho accha nahi hoga.
It is not a Hindu Athiest but Nastik Philosophy like Jain Darshan, Buddhist Philosophy, Charvakas which reject the authorities of Vedas!
And Vedas have themselves raised a question on god haven't they 😅. Do Hindus today have the guts to do that . Can they question the narrative that society has set ? I guess no. In this case they should learn from their own text how to question lol
Jain and Buddhist is not athiest philosophy.
Jains and Buddhists call themselves "Hindus"? Never heard of that before.
Don't think of Buddhism as part of Hindu terminologies, when Hinduism largely plagarized from Mahayan Buddhism
Authority of vedas can't be rejected 😂
Hindu atheist is like a girl who says I love you but as a friend.
😂😂😂
Yes
😂😂😂
well, atheism is quite flexible so you don't have to be rigid about your thoughts and can be open about ideologies. So Hindu atheism makes sense to me
@@anonymous93155 no hindu atheism does not make any sense. most of are hindu apologetics
Why did UA-cam not send me a notification? 😢
I've tried reading Hitchens's book. But his writing is not as good as his speeches
Who knows. Press bell icon maybe?
@@scienceisdope His writing is very reference laden. Maybe that is why.
@@scienceisdope I prefer Richard Dawkins to Hitchens but maybe its cause I found his work, especially The God Delusion, to be very accessible as a layman.
Athiest means the one who recects the concept of God , If someone does not believe in God but still attached to the values which is inherent in hindu culture and tradition then he can consider himself a hindu athiest and nothing wrong in that .
If you say Hindu.. you already believe in God. Cuz you come in varna system and your varna came from God itself
@@y1.5
Varna system alone cannot define a person is Hindu or not.
Philosophy of Indian subcontinent is Hinduism, previous generation changed the name of philosophy to "Hinduism", Current generation believes in scientists and disagrees with some part of religios practices but like to follow as a part of their forefather's culture and to maintain unique traditions for future generations Bcoz extreme Atheism is boring.
@@y1.5 hindu philosophy predates varna.
@@y1.5varna is in manusmriti wgivh we clearly know were written by brahmins under kings. It was given authority by saying its gods word even tho its not. This is why caste system was banned and was accepted by guru and rishi as well. Rishimunis whomwrote veds did not write about varna.
@@y1.5varna system was a political move
Wonderful video Vimoh. Very insightful.
I few questions was raised though.
1. Can a Hindu claim himself to be a "Hindu atheist" to a western/Abrahamic atheistic thought?
2. If the term losses its validity under the Indian perspective, then in what sense would you attach the word Athiest for yourself wouldn't it be better to call yourself Carvaka or someone from other Atheistic schools of thought?
and lastly,
3. it's not related to this video but what is the response to the question of moral /ethical theory for materialists such as Carvakas?
First time watching your video. I have a few questions.
Can you describe the word "Hindu" and its origins.?
Who are the Hindus? What does it need to be a Hindu?
And also how did you come to this conclusion that "Hindu atheist" is a privilege of the "Upper Caste"?
Also, Can you distinguish between "Jaati", "Varna" and "Kul"? How are they different?
Can you explain the words "caste" and "casteism"? Since when the word is in use and how did it come to be used in India and By whom? How it is different from the "Varna System" of Bharat?
Finally, Who did the first "Caste Census" and their process of surveying, intentions, and outcomes?
If u read basic hindu books then all these doubts wudnt even exist in u. Why not read ur own books with translation!!
Vimoh answer this question ❓
Already answered in video.
@@vimohhow can you say upper cast hindu ?
@@vimohJo hindu Upanishads hai usme guru aur shishya ke beech jo sawal jawab hua hai woh likha hai. Bad mai logo ko aasan language mai maz aaye iske liye story form banaya. log dharam follow kre issliye devo/god ki concept aaiye. Agar log adharam ke tare kese jiye tho accha nahi hoga.
My point is, lets say i identify myself as a Charvaka ( i have serious issues with the term atheist as i believe it too have roots in abrahmism) i don't believe in anything beyond the five senses and anything that is immaterial, but because i was born and brought up in this culture, i like celebrate festivals, perform rituals and so on, doesn't matter they mean anything or not. And i like to call myself a Materialist who is culturally hindu, as in one who doesn't believe the ideas but like following them because it gives a certain amount of peace to mind.
Abrahmism was always against Atheism; how does it have roots in it?
Culture always changes see 100 yrs back and see now.
@Human Being yes but that's the thing right, with hinduism you don't exactly know where the culture religion philosophy sciences that developed alongside begun and end, they are so interconnected that way
@@sqrt-1646 that is in the sense that neo atheism has the same idea of tolerance that the abrahmic religions had
@@ayushkumarsinha9959 Words can get confusing..A.medical doctor also writes Dr .same by a phd holder.. So one can't be used interchangeably. A muslim can also say he likes to celebrate eid and do fasting etc. But that would not make him muslim. Instead of Hindu culture you can call it Bharitiya sanskriti or Indian culture..
Calling yourself Indian atheist is as stupid is calling yourself Hindu athesit! Atheism is a philosophical/ontological stand on reality. It has nothing to do with nationality
Please see my video on Indian Atheism.
i think people call themself as hindu atheist as they follow some things that can (also) be termed as hindu practice. like say not eating non veg food, and other moral things. they sometimes visit temples with their friend and family and has no problem having tika and kalava celebrating festivals with others but still don't believe any god.
by ur logic u sound like that even saying ram ram to someone as greeting u will consider them as non atheist.
Wats caste to did with it 😂
You actually did make a very good point. You convinced me to watch more of your videos.
Indian agnostic here. This video could have been half the length, just saying.
This comment could have not existed. Just saying.
@@vimoh Exactly how I like the indian, rational, critical thinking youtube space to be; taking offence at criticism. Oh you will go far. Just saying.
@@secondwaveprod Learn to take a joke.
@@vimoh Ah OK got it now 😂
@@secondwaveprod fr fr
If we go by the dictionary definition of an atheist : "a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods."
Then apparently you can be a hindu and at the same time , Ex : if someone believes in the sankhya philosophy
Are you saying you are an Atheist who is not Caste oriented etc etc or United with other Hindu's against Muslims... . ( Because that would be something..... )
Or You are an independent free thinker.....
.... Till it comes to those Muslims.....
Haven't you thought about yourself a little bit more than required?
I don't accept the authority of Vedas and thus I am an atheist . But not only Charvaka but Buddhism and Jainism also comes under same umbrella so a Buddhist or jain must be an atheist.
I am a Jain but Jainism believe in Aatma and Moksh. Both these does not have any proof.
@@ankitjain3760
moksh - absolute nothingness.
Soul is chetna or consiousness.
Logically both of these exist.
What doesn't exist is rebirth and karma theory of Jainism.
I think karma and rebirth were invented to keep the morality intact, so that the law and order could be easily maintained and the masses could be controlled in a better efficient way.
Jainism could have been a perfect atheistic hub if it had compromised it's theory on rebirth.
Even karma could maybe somehow justified, but rebirth is something which will never be proved and doesn't exist either.
I'll come to my point of how karma could exist in a practical form,
I will give a very very basic example for that.
You eat non veg, you behave more violently, because of the tamas gun of meat.
Which leads you to behave in a violent way, often it could eventually lead you to troubles as it plays with your temper, and concentration.
So if the tamas, rajas and satva gunas can be proven, it is easy to prove that non veg can lead to a bad destiny in future.
Same way, if you steal, you might get caught someday, atleast there will be a fear of getting caught, or fear of getting robbed or fear that someone else might steal something from you. And hence that constant state of fear, could lead to concurrent problems.
These can be logical justifications which can be given for karma.
Karma was also evolved in order to create more empathy in human beings, so that they behave more empathetically towards everyone.
As non violence (ahimsa) was one of main part of Jainism, karma might have been used to promote ahimsa.
Karma might be a partially correct or partially incorrect theory, but it does help in maintaining social good and social harmony, if practiced thoroughly.
@@mr.hazamayukiterumiBuddha was agonistic atheist.
He didn't accept existence of god, whereas Mahavira was pure atheist, who blatantly claimed non existence of a supreme God.
But anywhich ways, if you claim to be a Buddhist, you need to accept agonistic atheism, that you don't know whether god exists or not, and it doesn't matter if he does or not.
Say you are a milky-way atheist ❤❤❤
From where did the tha word India came into existence can you give details?
@@Aryan-gc6ze so what did the Hindu called themselves
@@RajeshPatel-fe8rn You can call Bharatiya Atheist, if you dont like "Indian" word.
Great video
You need to understand dharma is not religion. Sanatana dharma is a way of life and gives freedom to believe on god or even not
What does "way of life" mean?
I'm a lower caste "Hindu", who has rejected the authorities of religious gurus and what not. I do not take the authority of the Vedas completely because I haven't read it all, yet I do not pray to any God or gods. Why do I not get the choice to call myself free of religion?
The point you made has just too many assumptions.
Read Baba saheb Ambedkar books. Simple
Exmuslim indian athiest here
Lol. Who told you Hinduism is not founded on basic premise that God exists? Firstly "Hinduism" is not a religion. It is a geographical term. The religion is Sanatan "translates to eternal" but let's use the term Hinduism because it is more commonly used. The Vedas and Upanishads clearly talk about God and so does the Gita. It's laughable to know there are people who believe Hinduism is not based on concept of God.
So let me get this straight.
1. Hinduism is not a religion but it is founded on the basic premise that god exists.
2. Hinduism is not the name of the religion and it's actually Sanatan but let's use the word Hinduism anyway.
3. This religion which is not a religion and is a geographical marker has sacred texts that tell about god.
Kahaan se aaye ho bhai? Aur logic kii laash kahaan chhipayi hai?
@@vimoh Clearly you didn't read my response properly. I said "Hindu" is a geographic term and the religion is called "Sanatan" but let's use Hinduism for the sake of dialogue because most people use this term instead of the actual name of the religion.
All the 4 Vedas and Upanishads are the core texts in Hinduism/Sanatan dharm and you can consider Bhagvad Gita as cliff notes of these texts as the the text itself says so.
The Vedas and Upanishads have multiple references of "God". In fact, as per these texts, these are also given as knowledge by "God". I'll spare the details here to avoid a lengthy response but you can research yourself and you'll find this to be accurate.
I don't know a single person who says I am a Hindu atheist. If there is someone who says they are "Hindu Atheist" clearly doesn't know what Hinduism/Sanatan dharm is.
Of course there is no compulsion on anyone whether or not to follow any religion but someone calling themself Hindu and Atheist doesn't make any sense.
@@nimish8653 Please define "Hinduism" or "Sanatan" or whatever it is you want to call it.
Bhagwan bolenga tho wealth.wo nai tho kuch nahi.bina wealth kay kisko interest hai bhagwan may.
Please make video on ' world without religion '
If everyone in South Asia is Hindu, what is their caste? That gets those hindu atheists go through a BSOD.
I think i am cultural hindu
Hindi me explain wala channel bhi banao na sir
Why don't you write Ex Hindu , similar to ex Muslim
Do charvagas believe in enlightenment ?
What is enlightenment?
@@vimoh you speak so well but you don't know enlightenment
@@Raja-ff9ks context
Intersting take though i disagree with most of it ...
Excellent explanation I do not agree with you 100% but a few points make sense.
I believe you can be an atheist and still be religious.
How?
@@LakshyaGhailot I think he means, atheist because they don't believe in God. And religious because self realisation and wisdom.
@@iamgar6age Just like in Buddhism??
@@LakshyaGhailot Buddhism, Jainism, sikh, vedant, zen koans, Lou Tzu, stoicism, Socrates, Freud. Whatever fit you best
@@iamgar6age 👍, Thank you for the explanation 😉Now I got it🙂
Way of life???
English bla bla bla
Charvka philosophy
We should say Hindu Nastik. Atheist are people who burn religious books and do similar stunts. Hindu Nastiks don’t do these stunts. They may believe in a Vedas . Charavac did not burn books etc.
Nope, it's not like that.
I don't think everyone becomes atheist to look or sound hippie...There are many who can think rationality and scientifically and conceptualize an understanding of how things works around us...People who became atheist for the sake of becoming an atheist are techically religious folks who are just upset with the god for not listening to their prayers..
yea true but don't call them religious they are mostly anti god
Testo haina bhai
Different scenarios,conditions hunxa
Taile vaneko pani kunai case ma thik hola
Yes of course not everyone thinks like that but a lot of people do
Hindu atheists aren't people who give themselves that tag because they become atheist to look cool or hippie. That's a complete misunderstanding of the phenomenon.
Atheism just means , not believing in God thn half of Indic Philosophies are Nir-ishwarwadi ! Even most famous Advāita Vedant or Uttar Mimansa has concept of Nirgunā Brahmā and Sagunā Brahmā ! And agree these cool kids who are just wannabe use these terms like AthEisTs
Can you define the word "Hindu"?
@@spuriusscapula4829 hindu is not a religion, this is a geographical demarcation, this word coined by thousands of years a ago by Greeks who came to the Indian subcontinent for trade.
@@spuriusscapula4829 bro read history,
Aj ke londe cool banne ke liye santan deities ko gali dete hai disrespect karte hai
Nirishwarbaadi is Non theist not Atheist
And the brhmn that they talk about is definitely not the creator diety Brahma-dev that theistic Hindus talk about right ?
Have to criticize certain points, Charvaka aren't the only Atheists.
Please pick any book on Introductory Indian Philosophy and take a look..
Purva Mimansa and Samkhya also are Non-theistic. They deny existence of a creator God. Bouddha and Jaina does too.
I know. This video, was about Charvak appropriation. I will get to the other schools one day. Stay tuned.
@@vimoh oh ok. Actually I found some more Atheistic schools.
The Ajivika school, The Grammarian school, the Medicinal school.
they dont fit into his agenda ,thats why he hasnt talked about them
@@vardhanarya 😂😂 👌👌👌
You can call yourself a hindu athiest but in todays sense it is oxymoronic. Yes hinduism has athiestic school of thought. Also charvakas are also mentioned in bhirandikya upanishad.
I don't believe in god. But I am Hindu culturally. I have strong emotional affinity with 'hinduness'. I will take 7 circles around the fire when I will marry. I will be burnt in a pyre when I die. I sometimes go to the temple whenever I m with someone and visiting a place. I celebrate festivals. And I also have an affinity to my caste identity. But I consider all castes to be equal. I don't understand what has a belief in god to do with caste. And yes, I am a so called 'upper caste'. Tribalism is a basic human instinct. Caste is just that, a tribe and an entity. Belief in god is not intricately linked to caste identity. But as far as Hinduism is concerned, I put it above my caste identity and below my national identity. And I feel lucky to be born in a hindu family and culture because it gave me the freedom to think anyway I want. Charvak philosophy is something I am interested in but haven't read about. It seems interesting though. Jai Hind 🇮🇳
Advaita vedanta is more philosophical and rational and talks about the metaphysical nature of reality. Also has had a strong atheistic tradition. You should check that out.
God, you are disillusioned 😅
You're a casteist if you believe caste is an integral part of your identity.
@@amolkhobaragade he is nationalist too better than anti nationals like you
Nationalist and anti national are not the only two options
Christopher Hitchens was the final nail on my head of beliefs that made me an atheist..what a guy
Brother may you give me what arguments persuaded you most for atheism in points
@@pauldirc.. middleman arguement
There will be another enlightenment in your journey once you will realize where hitchens was coming from. The arguments he made are not unique at all and can only make sense to a world confined by abhrahamic thought. You will know one day that that atheism isn’t necessarily the same
@@Pasdpawn I may not everything he said but his arguments of religion are very logical
@@rahul27668 absolutely. But those are simply “duh” arguments specially for those who are eastern religion followers. I dig sam harris more tho
So calling oneself hindu atheist is problematic cos it doesnt feel like being a rebel ? Also making a separate atheist ummah is necessary?
Charvaka called themselves materialist cos they knew the core of every indian religion is spirualism. They wanted to differentiated themselves st the core.
Exactly and hinduism (Sanatana Dharma) and Indian culture are deeply interwined.
Say Diwali. Diwali is cultural pot of India but at the same it is religous.
Now I want to be athiest. I don't believe in gods and also not in Rama .
But I don't want to leave diwali because its my culture. I don't want to disbelieve in Rama perhaps I would still chose to worship him as a good human being of his time. I may also chant Hare Rama Hare Krishna. This is what my ancients have been doing for millenia.
I don't want to abondon the kirtan bhajan because I like them. I don't want to stop listening to songs of Hindu gods because it gives me a peace of mind.
And if I do all of those, I won't be called "athiest" by western standard anymore.
So a Hindu athiest or Sanatani Nastik is one like me. And besides that as I said,
There are many Sanatani Nastik sects.
So Sanatani Nastik has every logic and rights to call her/himself as Sanatani Nastik.
@@Dhruv-Kumar yeah this is not so called as hindu atheism,this is called as you didn't find any logic in believing in God at the same time you didn't want to leave your religion because it was your religion since birth(this is called childhood indoctrination)
@@blahblahanything there are many athiests in west who still have proper christmas and easter.
Athiests may chose to do whatever they enjoy they are not bound.
@@Dhruv-Kumar celebrating religious festival, listening religious song,etc isn't a problem,but praying God even knowing he/she didn't exist is definately not atheism,you just don't want to leave your religion so you claim yourself hindu atheist. You said you don't believe in god's and in Rama,and then you said I could still worship him as he was a good human at his time,this clearly shows you finding no logic in worshipping God but still you don't want to leave your religion. You said atheists in west celebrate Christmas but do they worship God saying "I don't believe in God but still I worship him because I love the teachings of Jesus"?
@@blahblahanything its like bts fan girls who kind of admires bts. So yes makes sense here aswell.
So I admire Rama and his team cooperation. Worshipping means to be like him or admiring him.
Unless you say bts fans follow bts religion and other related things.
That kushal mehra guy proclaims himself to be an hindu atheist. Never questions hindu religion, Vedas, karma, or any effing thing. I hope he gets your message.BTW Grt podcast. I hope ur channel grows
Thanks Deepankar!
Even druv rathi. I don't get who is an hindu atheist. Calling himself an Indian atheist makes more sense.
Who said he doesn't question vedas or karma or anything? I've followed him very long and he had clearly said many times he doesn't believe in any of them because they don't have scientific validity
@@ayushkumarsinha9959 Then why he calls himself as Hindu ?
Read more!
If vimoh would have been a muslim atheist then probably he wouldn't be alive we should acknowledge the fact that hindus or sanatanis accepted atheism.
The thing that protects me is India being secular. Not your religion. If the Constitution didn't grant me safety, you guys would have comitted the same kind of violence people in Islamic states do.
@@vimoh Please sir make a video on Sharia-Bolshevism. I found a Reddit channel and found this interesting and want to know more about it. I think as an Atheists we should popularise this concept
@@vimoh I know it will be little political but just for curiosity
@@vimoh Mocking your own religion seems like being immature lol
@@vimohthats a lie. Many Indian muslims have been beheaded for being ex-muslims or announcing that they don belive in allah. So yeah its sanatan who keeps u alivs as an atheist not secularism
I am a Hindu (geographically, culturally & philosophically, NOT religiously)
I am a Hindu but Hinduism is Not my religion
I am a Hindu still I don’t have a religion
I am a Hindu & I am an Agnostic Athiest
do u vote for bjp?
@@DistantDreamer892 no
@@ApoorvSaurabh who do you vote then is it Congress?
@@kjaideep no
CPI
How is that even a question?@@DistantDreamer892
So according to you Indian teenagers started calling themselves atheists only because three or four western atheists made the term "atheism" popular and "hip" as you call it? Is this not pure anecdotal evidence, something that an atheist who loves rationality should avoid? Don't Indian teenagers have a brain of their own? If you started calling yourself an Indian atheist seemingly out of your thirst for knowledge, what makes you feel others are not similarly seeking knowledge due to their personal life struggles? I think it is incredibly condescending on your part to say that Indian youth are someone who blindly follow westerners and that too on topics that require a drastic restructuring of thought processes.
Many did. Many didn't. I never said every single person did that. Please don't misrepresent my views or you will get banned.
@@vimoh The desire for banning people who disagree with you indicates a very high level of intolerance, something that a rational atheist should desist from doing. However, feel free to ban me whenever you want. I will take it sportingly. But when doing so ask yourself if you are feeling triggered by simple questions. How then will you present unbiased opinions to the outside world? Only small immature kids talk about "cancel culture" and "bans"! The best atheist channels on YT (should I recommend some to you?) are very openminded and allow others to challenge the host's opinions.
Thanks for the generic "be open minded" advice. But my point was about you lying about my views. You want open-minded discussion? Ask open-minded questions. Don't just outright lie and then expect a discussion. I do a live stream twice a week where I talk face to face with people who agree as well as disagree with me. So there is no question of being not open minded. That you would make that a point without addressing the fact that you lied about my views, says more about you than me.
@@vimoh I did not lie about your views. It is you who lie about my views about you. But you are finding it hard to accept it now given that I have explained the importance of not banning people who disagree. But you go ahead and do whatever you like. Its a free world.
I did not say that every Indian teenager started calling themselves an atheist because of books by Dawkins and others. You said that I did say so. Therefore, you lied. And now you are running away because I called you out on it. That's the summary of what happened. And I think it is plainly visible that you have not been banned. But you will be, if you continue to lie. And thanks for informing me that this is a free world where I can do whatever I want. I was thinking till now that I need your permission to do things.
This singular focus on the Charvaka tradition is a bit absurd. It isn't really the only Hindu philosophic tradition that was atheistic. There were quite a few other ones such as the Ajivika philosophy(which also rejected the vedas) and Samakhya(which is non-theistic but accepts the vedas). While we can debate forever on whether these philosophical tradiitons can be considered "Hindu", it is certain that there was space for Hindu atheists to exist.
Moreover, the whole antithetical nature of atheism and religion is an Abrahamic concept.
None of the ones you mentioned are Hindu philosophies. They were Vedic philosophies. There was no Hinduism then. Hence, for Hinduism to claim them is appropriation.
@@vimoh That is an intriguing perspective. How do you define Hinduism?
@@vimoh by your logic why call it Hinduism, how did you gave it that name , hindu word is given by someone else , so don't play with terms we all know all those philosophies were there and it's funny how you are trying to abrahmize deliberately or I don't know, trying to prove a binary and separate ot from sanatan philosophy
@@rakeshbarman3486 Who cares where the name came from. All I care about is what it means now.
@@rakeshbarman3486 dont believe these goons forign funded delusional and propagandists person.
Hindu atheism is like :
Eating chicken and being a vegan.
As For so called Hindu Atheist
Just because Ancient hindu society accepted Atheist doesn't not mean
Atheism is a part of it
Just liking speaking English doesn't make me a British
No it's not that... Hinduism is a way of life not a philosophy... Hinduism is a culture not an ideology.... Hinduism supports polytheism, monotheism, atheism and agonism .... So you can be a Hindu atheist
@@shubhamswaraj1557 the most generic whitewashing
@@shubhamswaraj1557 so ur saying that hinduism is not a religion but a set of different cultures and religions?
@@hey0173 yeah , I think so . It's a cultural identity for me , not my faith
@@glkglkglkglk9193 read more!
i dont care who you are
life run by work not by lecture
What a completely useless comment.
What if lecturing is your work
What if you are a proffesor or a content creator on youtube or a parent 😅lol
@@vimoh and what a completely useless your videos are if you have your views about hinduism keep it with you don't just bark
@@skeptic2561 without working how can they become proffesor or a content creator on youtube or a parent lol think before replying
Go and tell your so called hindu Baba's
Tysm for this ,as fellow atheist. Hindu atheism always seemed problematic. Atheism rejects all ideologies and existence of God . No exceptions.
Hindu athiesm means a person who don't believe in god but live his life with some moral ethics.
So I revomment you that know before talk.
@@mr.anonymous7114 Moral ethics? What moral ethics?
@@mr.anonymous7114 Being a theist or atheist has no relation with having ethics or morals, it strictly relates to believe or disbelieve in the existence of God. The existence of god or following religion is not a measure for judging morals. If you read enough you'll understand the morality in religious books are more screwed.
Nope athiestm means you just don't believe in God that is it...
Religion can also be based on athiesm
Yes hindu athiest are fuelling radical hindutva which is problematic and dangerous for democracy you are right with this thing.
I am non hindu by the way...
Wikipedia compiles the definition of religion as : Religion is usually defined as a social-cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, morals, beliefs, worldviews, texts, sanctified places, prophecies, ethics, or organizations, that generally relates humanity to supernatural, transcendental, and spiritual elements; however, there is no scholarly consensus over what precisely constitutes a religion.
So,
If Hinduism is a religion and
religion is defined as such and
If such socio-cultural and other elements from a wide spectrum of elements of the Hindu society of India are still a part of our lives then we may very well be a Hindu-Atheist/Hindu-Agnostic-Atheist
Hinduism was not a single religion in past.the present day hinduism is group religions and castes that existed in india.britishers coined the word hinduism .
Just bcz the Hindu demography is divided into countless feuding sects doesn't make hinduism a "group of religions". It is still a single religion even if the followers may be spread across different incompatible castes. Those castes still follow the same books, gods and authority figures.
Absolutely.
A concept such as religion did not even exist before, calling Hinduism a group of religions is just wrong.
@@hiruzenmonofuke7344 fr fr
@@cauliflowerhead2735 yes you are right
I have watched a lot of your videos in the last few days and the biggest point I take away is the construction and progression of your arguments. I think it's something to be learnt and practiced.
You had no point! No dog in the fight
what?
Wait. why as a ex-hindu would you call yourself an atheist, when the theo or deus is a christian idea, different from hinduism. Its like making dal with ghee and tadka and calling it 'lentil stew with clarified butter and spice infusion'.
Same reason you just used the word "ex". We are both using English. If I was speaking in Hindi, I would have said Nastik. These are commonly understood words that are used for convenience.
@@vimoh The epistomology used to reach this concept is different in Christian and Hindu perspectives.
English might be used for convenience. but when an idea is being ironed out, Language and the culture its emerging out of is important.
There is a reason why muslims use arabic terms to describe their concepts and don't used its English analogues officially.
I am using English. So are you. Case closed.
I Highly doubt except for upper caste and well off hindus nobody knows about all this charvaka stuff. Their position is same as most aam aadmiz -Pascal's Wager
Dayanand Saraswati destroyed this carvaka philosophy
Hello @vimoh Can you talk about when 'Hinduism' as a concept or religion came to be and since when did it began to be called Hinduism.. in terms of the historical time line.. Or if u already have a video talking about it, please link.
Thanks😊
Bro there is no exact time they are just assuming 😂😂
Hindu word is farsi gali
@@sorenutpal6091 hindu has come from Word Sindhu it has no relation with farsi
@@himanshunagarwal1019 true
The thing about the charvaka is that most of what we know about them is from criticism of their thoughts by Vedic schools of thought.
The point about atheism and Hindu atheism being a privilege is quite true, your atheism, even rejecting the vedas, rejecting karma is tolerated only so far as you keep caste.
Once you cross that threshold even your privilege can't save you, and your chances of ending like Pansare,Lankesh and Kalaburgi are extremely high.
Who are Pansare and Kalaburgi ?
Caste discrimination for the most part will die within the next few decades.
@@arjyachatterjee6874Anti Kusongskar activists
“The God Delusion”is really an amazing book .
It's fun but not very deep. And Dawkins doesn't really get philosophical positions.
@@vimoh lol im starting with it today
@@vimoh it was actually meant to be read by teens as said by Dawkins
@@Pinkparasite True. But why would someone assume teenagers won't understand philosophy?
@@vimoh perhaps to connect with a global audience which wants things in more simplified manner rather than intricate and deep.and he might have a bias that teens usually don't get the philosophical views !
It hilarious how people say adding hindu to atheist is beliving in god and then proceed to add Indian which itself is greek name originating out of hindu this is what happens when you want to sound like a rebel, there are also atheist that used to be christian that celebrate christmas its a cultural thing , you are misinformation at its best
yeah but they don't call themselves 'Christian Atheist', do they? You don't need to be a 'Hindu Atheist' to celebrate Diwali or other cultural festivals.
@@Nishxnt_Y bro that istn the point i couldnt careless what they call themselves i was just stating that hindu and india come from the same word indus so it is linked either way they are fixated on saying why we shouldnt be called hindu atheist and proceed to name indian atheist also about the christian thing because no country is named after the culture or to be more specific religion as mush as i know
Ingnore the grammar and mistakes
This is not my mother toungue
@@Pallunotfound Is a Muslim or Christian in India a Hindu?
@@spuriusscapula4829 they do not call themselves indian athiest is a very good side note
@@Pallunotfound ex-Muslim or ex-Christian atheists do exist, right?
You should Debate with Acharya prashant 🥱
Pretty substantial arguments. It was fun listening to them. Some counterpoints.
Assuming that religion necssitates faith in a deity or a personal god, if deistic Hindus don't have a problem with atheism, then there is inherently no problem with using the descriptor "Hindu" for your own personal identity even if it means you suspend judgement vis-a-vis the existence of a personal god.
Towards the end, you invoke the argument that sounds a lot like the argumentum ad populum, whereby truth is granted simply because the majority seeks it so. That is a bit defeatist imo because if we are concerned with labels, "Hindu" is indeed geographical. It comes directly from the river Indus and is in fact of non-Indian origin. Therefore, just because the majority claim that they are "superior" because of faith based claims (which BTW is something you did not fully delve into) and thus have a right to a label that is inherently geographical in origin is a bit superficial.
PS. I do agree with you with the order of the new atheist books lol
This video wasn't straight forward. Your point got lost somewhere. I came back to this video after Dhruv Rathee just called himself Hindu Atheist in his recent video. But in your video, i couldn't clearly figure out why Hindi Atheist is a dishonest term or why you don't call yourself hindu Atheist.
It is a Political deminance strategy term to manipulate real atheist
Not completed information provided in this video. Not well researched. Charwaka was not alone.
Sir, also can you put a video on toxic indian shows and their impact on Women and Girls
nice question
Like which shows
@@manyamishra6883 like TV Serials of every indian language
@@ShoshyDeolLonewolf03 Is that directly related to an atheism/philosophy/politics? Not so much really because then it will be more of a content review channel
@@manyamishra6883 no..... I was talking about a video I requested on TV Shows that promotes toxicity like Ideal women, Women misogyny etc.
Eeh bath. Muslims samne bath kar
I was thinking for more than a month that what god is, how it works, how moksha will happen and where is the soul of god to whose soul our human soul connects after moksha,, then I tried to find the reality on phone 📱 then I came across various theists and various atheist content creators, theists were a hundred times more popular but athiests made a 100 times more sense.. i have some disagreements even with athiests but yeah, athiests really make sense
Jo hindu Upanishads hai usme guru aur shishya ke beech jo sawal jawab hua hai woh likha hai. Bad mai logo ko aasan language mai maz aaye iske liye story form banaya. log dharam follow kre issliye devo/god ki concept aaiye. Agar log adharam ke tare kese jiye tho accha nahi hoga.
Fundamentally wrong assumption: "Hindu" is a religious denomination. The term "Hindu", in its most original form, just meant "Indian" in the Persian language.
Then just say Indian. Why use a word that is widely understood to be a religious identity?
@@vimoh because it is wrongly understood to be so. Just like how you'd say Jupiter was a Roman god. It means he is a god from the pantheon of gods followed in the religion that existed in Ancient Rome. Also, when you say Hindu it's not just the religious affiliation one refers to, there's a whole civilization and set of philosophies, most of which aren't related to religion but are definitely in the grey area. Most of the time when people use the term Hindu atheists, they are people who would want to disassociate the term with religion, wanting to get the original intent more mainstream acknowledgement.
@@othmanempire5687 Again, all those philosophies don't have much in common. The only thing they have in common is that they came from this landmass. And a better descriptor for this landmass is India. Hindu means a religion. If you want to have a conversation about something, use commonly accepted words. Not meanings that existed thousands of years ago.
@@vimoh again, if the whole point is about terminology, then I think I agree with you. But all I'm trying to do here is point out to you that probably the "Hindu Atheists" also mean what you mean, atleast in spirit. Also, something that is commonly accepted might not be factually right.
Another way to look at it: there are people who participate in rituals purely for the culture and fascination, not necessarily because they have any religious obligation. Just as you said, broader Hindu culture allows you to question the concept of God and a lot of other things.
@@othmanempire5687 The problem with using Hindu atheist the same way as Indian atheist is that people do it due to an attachment to their religion. And their religion is decidedly superstitious and irrational. Not to mention politically problematic in present times
Hindu/sanatani athiesm can be a lot different brother!! Been athiest from last 4 years, don't know why u brought only hindu uppar class caste?? (Smells some leftist agenda here)
Hindu athiesm also represents that u may be inspired from the stories (ramayana, mahabharata) ,or characters (gods) , or meditation (not devotional) , yoga or any sutras u found relevant..
Also as u said, even i said that, i don't believe in any guru (no one gave a f) , i said i don't believe in karma as u believe (i believe in different karma) ,, i always said the caste system will end as you guys end, and most of them never read vedas(99%) so actually no hindu gives a f....
I think u hate the word hindu itself, so you just making up some stuffs to prove yourself
How I became atheist:
Joined some pseudoscience course without knowing. And while proving to others about unscientific practices in it , brought me to this conclusion.
I am a former atheist and have now adopted Hinduism
Was my decision good?
कूल
@@scroll.withmohit after 9 months
It is definitely good. Bcoz i was also atheist but now a sanatani. But I wud recommend you to read vedas , upnishad nd geets with translation
I found your video really enlightening because I heard this appropriation and was confused about it.. How can I find literature on Charvaks? I want to know about it...
I am am a hindu by civilization, but I don't know what i am, i can't say i am atheist when i look at the whole existence, the more further away i look into how wonderful and massive the life and the universe is the more i want to believe in god, but at the same time when i look at the suffering in the world i can't say i believe in the god, i am hanging in between looking for answers 😂
But this hanging in between isn't so bad, it keeps me me still,i prefer this in between life is thrilling:)
But you are not in middle, you believe in god dont you?
@@gurnoorsingh2214 wait are you saying not believe is middle then? XD as i see being in middle means trying to discover if it is or not. There is "Yes" there is "No" and then there is "I don't know". But i do hope there's one tho, otherwise, this who life thing seems meaningless,i don't want to be more nihilistic then i already feel like sometimes XD
@@zupergut3015So you’re an agnostic theist.
All living beings are part of the greater soul and the greater soul sometimes sends full manifestations of itself(Krishna) to restore balance. They come to restore balance.
I am here after listening Anurag's podcast. That podcast gave me hope that people are discussing the udea of god with an great insight.
Great effort to debunk Hindu Atheist.
Do you think an atheist should reject, criticize hindu religion, vedas, claims etc. As you said its not based on claim of existence of god. Or we should be both atheist and rationalist to do it.
The charvaks were materialists. Materialism includes atheism. Atheism is just a rejection of god. But materialism is rejection of all spiritual claims.
@@vimoh tell me if someone who believes in devas and devis (higher beings but not gods) and not gods is an athiest or not. If not then people who believe on spirituality are also not athiests
And if yes then even hindus who worship ram, krishna, brahma etc can say that they think of their gods not as gods but some higher beings and therefore they are athiests.
@@Dhruv-Kumarwhat the f you mean by higher beings ??
I don't think ppl actually call themselves charvak, i think what ppl jst mean by hindu atheist is that because hinduism isn't hostile towards atheists (which is actually true) ppl r nt forced to choose a side, like ppl have to in abhramic religious , which i think is actually good, ppl don't follow god blindly bt also don't reject vedas or the teachings. Also y upper caste hindu family? Wat does this have to do casre
No one is religious by choice
But a religious by chance. 😏
Why i am viewing cow raksha ads,,,,
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Current trent is -- I am an atheist and i believe in spirituality 😂😂😂😂.... Jaggi with bike. jpg
i m a hindu n i hate to see ppl worship these fake gurus or holy man .we hindus only worship our gods not human beings who claims to be god .stop being a follower n be a independant thinkers .
Hindus have always worshipped gurus. So I'm not sure where your claim about only gods is coming from.
@@vimoh i m talking about fake gurus
@@bharathdeva9407 What's a real guru?
@Satoshikasumi You're giving an example. What is the definition real guru? Why should he be worshipped
The word Hindu actually means Indian. Hind was the name of geography given by Persians to their east. Thus the people of Hind were called Hindu. When British came there was no name existing for the varied practices, so they used the word Hindu for the people following the ibdian indigenous practices including Buddhism, Jainism, and tribal cultures.
Richard Dawkins, perhaps the strongest living atheist in modern times, calls himself a cultural Christian.
So getting bogged down by labels is another leftist religious stupidity which we must not fall for. What they call themselves is their personal matter. The question we must see is whether they become unscientific or not.
Why don't you mention Purva Mimangsa? It's the oldest vedic atheism in Indian tradition.
Even those are Ramte with another name.😂
I don't believe in God. Don't care what am I being called.
Please Consult The Doctor 🏥💊 First Ok
Don't you sound like you are true Muslim or Hindu
I listen to everyone, I read everything but do what I feel is the best. Thanks to everyone for advising me though
You can use the word "blasphemy" instead of calling it "major major major".🙂
Hindu can never ever describe an Indian citizen, it can only be a religious descriptor. Constitution is the definer of a nation. It hasnt stated the same. So people who equate religion and citizenship, probably need a therapy session.
Or a civics lesson.
Firstly hinduism not a real name it is called sanatan dhrama means enternal course of actions, the theory of karma, the theory world is maya {world is pain and struggle of materialistic things}, theory of continuous cycle of birth, theory recreations, theory of leaving the cycle of birth {moksha} are origonated from south asia, in sanatan dhrama there are 33 gods and there different forms but if u follow one god then u only called religion like buddhism, hare krishna. That's why u never called hinduism a religion or cult like other abhramic religions. always believed for one god but in Hinduism there is one main things which itself not an god is called brahmaan. Abhramic religion are very different from. Dharamic religions
@@jiraiyasensei902 yea right. 1 out of 10 'real' people might agree with you on that. Hinduism is a religion in reality. Don't delude yourself otherwise. Every religion (even the abrahamic religions think and brand themselves as a 'way of life'. Please look up what the characteristics of cults are. Almost all religions fulfill them. And as a fun exercise the time you fill up a form, look for Sanatan Dharma :)
Perception is reality.
Edit: Way of life or School of thought.
@@BenNeedsATheme4aDream Define religion, please .
@@BenNeedsATheme4aDream hinduism is more a culture. And any Indian with Indianness (someone who has Indian culture) will be called a Hindu.
Bharat me agar koi khudko Nastik bol de to log bhadak jate hai , aise baat karte hai jaise kisi gunhegar se deshdrohi se baat kar rahe ho, gyan pelne lagte hai. Aur ye Hindu aur Christian log jyada karte hai.
Pata nahi aap kaha rehte ho India me 😂
Hum ek hi bhagwan ya God may believe kartha hai aur wo God hai rupya,paisa,dollar,pound ithyaadi.Baaki sab Gods ka baap hai paisa,ya wealth.Arey bina paisey tho mandir ka bhagwan bhi tumko darshan nahi denga.Cinema ka ticket fir bhi milenga lekin bhagwan ka darshan nahi milenga.baaki sab rituals,customs,festivals,entertainment hai....wo tho har jagaha hai.Aajka temples aur Disney land may koi farak nahi raha.
The reason there are no charvakas is that Adi shankara got jittery that the charvakas or materialist hedonists were distracting people from vedas and thus threatening the hegemony of the Vedic people. He shut them down and they faded into oblivion.
Adi shankaracharya has like no connection to charvaka, whatsoever except maybe some debates and discussions. Charvaka did not die because of him.
Bhai Aap Charvak ho......
Do you think atheists have only existed in India in the past?
Bro how can you say hindu atheism is upper caste privilege when i am from BC community and idont belive in god, vedas and any religious book but still my family doesnt care and my many of my friends are open atheist who are from st and also Brahmin their family doesn't care. Then how can you say being hindu atheist is a upper class privilege
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Hit the nail on the head!! Waiting for you to hit the argument "Hindu is a way of life" for a six!!!
Oh that "way of life" card 😂.
They keep throwing it as if other religions are not ways of life !
For that matter , even tapeworms' life is a way of life 😝.
Wtf does 'way of life' even means? I mean anything can be a 'way of life'. Eating shit can be a way of life. How and why tf does it even matter?
What nail in the head! 😂
He said if you don't believe everything in the Vedas are lies you cannot call yourselves a charvak. That is the stupidest thing I've heard today, the day is still young though.
No book is full of lies! Every book has something right in it especially if it's popular. This guy doesn't want to give credit to the tradition that accepts atheism.
Also why is he so protective of the category of 'atheists' as if they're important. Atheists are some of the most useless people in the history of humanity. Most of the great scientists are straight up believers in God or believers in some kind of God.
Nobody inteligent who has done something with their inteligence looks at the Universe an says, "I am 100% sure there's no inteligence involved in the design of the universe"
Because that is plain stupid to make such a claim knowing the things we know about our universe. And no one will make such a claim except these guys who want grab attention by saying things that seem intellectual.
@@sumit92artistno where in the religion it says that we must eat shit. And if ppl around u are doing that than it is a you problem.
@@vishwakumar2864well is it not ? Do atheists not like the teachings and culture ? Just asking
I am an atheist (i don't believe in god and any religious book)
But
I celebrate hindu's festival..
Now tell me
I m hindu or atheist.
Atheist who celebrates Hindu festivals.
So what I'm atheist who celebrate hindu Muslim Christmas festivals whenever I feels like
lol most hindu celebrate christmas here in the uk doesn't mean they are christian hindu. Why are you mixing your religious identity with cultural identity. If you light firecrackers and not pray to Ram on diwali doesn't mean youre an hindu atheist. The burning crackers are a cultural event. Shia Muslims in india celebrate navroz because of their past in persia. Now navroz being a religious festival of parsi was also a cultural festival for people of persia back in the time.
I have certain doubts @vimoh, I hope you could help me with that. Who is a true Hindu? What are the traits that define a Hindu? What if my practices are in contravention with the Vedas or the Upanishads? or, Does Vedas has an authoritative character? Upanishads and the Vedas contradict each other at many junctures, so is it a religion of contradictions? As Swami Vivekananda said, "Hinduism is a RELIGION of religions.", but then Hinduism would then just be an aggregation of multiple cults which are more often than not at variance with each other. If for the sake of argument, we accept Swami Vivekananda's version that each path leads to the same god, how is it even possible when different cults preach different paths which are at variance with each other at times, or it can be deduced that there is only one almighty and the differences in religion exist due to socio-cultural differences, then it essentially means that the rituals prescribed are useless so might be Swamiji would have been indicating that? May be! Also, an argument that often floats in social media is that Hinduism allows people to chalk out their personal way to deal with their own god. So, if that's so then Hinduism should not prescribe any precepts then?
So here's the thing. Human beings try to find meaning in life. They either examine their own thinking and beliefs and come to the conclusion that they have a purpose in life. Or they don't do such examination or go for one of the readymade purpose packages available to them. These readymade packages are religions.
So when you ask me who is a true Hindu, my answer would be to ask why that question is important. Because maybe there is something called a true Hindu and maybe there isn't. The answers to that question can be various. It does not matter.
We can engage in "true meaning" conversations till the proverbial cows come home. But it's a futile conversation. Truth is, if you want to call yourself Hindu, you can. It's no different from calling yourself a leprechaun or a robot or a dinosaur. It's just a word about whose definition there may be some disagreement and some agreement.
The purpose of this channel and my content is not to define religious identities and make it easier for people to belong or not belong to them. The purpose is to throw light on the fact that these labels don't matter.
@@vimoh But here it is vimoh. Ofc these labels don't matter but unlike other Abrahamic faiths, is Hinduism's basic premise based on god? if not, then it essentially provides room for flexibility. So, culturally we may identify as a Hindu as there are no fixed rules that we have to believe in God to be called as Hindu? or is it? As different schools within the fold of Hinduism have been atheistic. So, what do you think,is the word "Hindu atheist" (no specific association with any Lokayata philosophy) is an oxymoron?
@@Amankumar-mb6vk Let me get this straight. You're asking me "If there are no guidelines, then what guidelines am I opposing when I say the phrase "Hindu atheist" contradicts guidelines? Let me know if that's what you are asking.
I mean does hinduism provides space to not believe in the god?
@@Amankumar-mb6vk See the problem with that question is that why should one seek permission from Hinduism to not believe in god? What is the need to identify as a Hindu if one doesn't believe in god? I mean you are a cyclist and a cook. Do you have to call yourself a cycling cook?
What valid points can you question the aforementioned the famous English Atheists?