And on paper it could be seen as "woke"! With female protagonist and antagonist, hinted lesbian, diverse races/ethnicities etc. And yet none of it matters because the animation is mesmerising, the voice acting is stellar, and the story is incredibly engaging.
I hate Hate HATE when new Star Wars content don’t use John Williams’ iconic score and themes. The music has been a big part of good Star Wars. Lucas himself said that he approached the movies as silent films with the visuals and music driving the story. Now it’s just generic synthesized swells of orchestration that can be found in a trailer of an Asylum film. Does Disney not want to pay out to JW?
Why can't we hire seven people of short stature? The Wizard of Oz, Return of the Jedi, Time Bandits, Willow all hired a specific population of actors who bring their talents to the screen.
Kevin Hart is on this trip where he wants to be accepted as being able to do serious action roles and not always be the funny guy or the side kick or whatever. I mean i get not wanting to be type cast but I mean work within your strengths right? I just don't think anyone is ever going to accept Kevin Hart as being that bad ass Action Hero. It's just not in his destiny.
On the Street Fighter comment, they did it right though with Street Fighter Assassin's Fist. As for Hollywood learning lessons, no they don't. They don't want to listen to or cater to fans because they have massive egos and think they know best and can do better than others. To listen and cater to fans would "destrot their creativity."
In regards to the Uncharted film being lackluster. Look up the BTS making of the game's cutscenes. THAT is how they should of made the actual film and they should have used the original actors. It's also how I would make a Legacy of Kain movie.
I must be one of the only people excited for avatar 3. I’m not the biggest fan of the first movie but I loved the way of water and now I’m more invested in these characters!
This wasn't Eli's movie. He left long ago and the studio reshot allot of the movie with another director. They took it from rated R and to PG-13. This movie never had a chance.
Here is what Hollywood doesnt understand. Some video game stories are done so well that they are better than a ton of movies. The reason the games arent even more popular is because non-game playing normies know nothing about the game or its story BUT would absolutely love the story and characters if told in a coherent 2 hour long movie. So you stay true to the game, its story and its characters and you introduce them to people who would otherwise never know the story. Its win-win. You please the fans of the game and introduce the story to a whole new audience. What Hollywood does now is say "Our professional writers in Hollywood are far superior than some game company making a story up and those gamer nerds will come no matter what so lets make our own story to get the normies to come" and all they do is piss off the fan base and write something far worse than the original material
Every culture on earth has tons of folktales - just like Snow White came from the Grimm Brothers' story, many other stories have been collected in the 150 years since. The same model of adapting folktales could work, but be done in a global way. Aladdin/Mulan/Moana and such were moves in that direction, but there's much more that could be done. But you have to take your audience seriously and allow them to be challenged. Novels are another great source. Much of Ghibli's work for instance is from adapted novels. (Otherwise they adapted manga, often written by Miyazaki himself.) Disney is a huge pile of investor money and revenues waiting to connect with authentic stories. If the worldview of those running the company is so closed that they can't look beyond the company's own past, or if the worldview of their audience is so closed, that might explain the current trap. Safety at all costs guarantees irrelevance. Nothing lasts forever, but it would be great for Disney to pull out of the current nosedive. The desire to _actually make money_ is a powerful force. But so is denial with icebergs ahead. In the meantime, the rest of us are elsewhere, connecting with (and creating) other things.
Speaking of "fidelity to the audience". I the Deadpool 3 had a lot of that. I think the variant scenes (particularly the crucifixion and AoA variants) are a good blueprint of how to make an X-men movie.
At SD Comic Con they had a Moxxi themed bar in the gaslamp, and another on the convention floor, and psychos handing out fliers in the streets. They were spending real cash to promote it, but no panels or appearances. The studio couldnt get any creatives to put themselves on the line to promote what they know is a turd.
More Nerd Cookies, less from the rest of the panel. The Lord Farquhar quip about Snow White’s hair was actually funny and went right over everyone else’s head.
Some fine speculation as regards how Disney MIGHT have changed this movie, but sugar on s**t is still s**t! I will never see what they've changed because I won't see it. This trailer looks like crap!
I don’t think Eli Roth is a bad film maker but he needs to stick to Horror, he is competent in that genre, it’s when he strays outside of it he fails. Sometimes you should stick to what you know. Also Paycheck!
Dude, if you want to make a mashup of Mad Max, Star Wars, Barbarella, Blade Runner, etc, etc... Make that movie. Don't make a pseudo game movie with those intentions 😅
I heard about the Borderlands movie when Bobby Lee talked about going to film it years ago. I expected it to bomb then. So, no surprise that it bombed. And Eli Roth is a bad director, imo. Always has been. I never expect anything he makes to be good, so its surprising the one or two times hes made watchable movies.
this is very strange.. some panelist appears to be very good mind readers. everyone know making a movie takes hundreds of people and like most things, not easy...so when it worked, artistically and/or commercially it is something of a critic's miracle. otherwise it's fine to trash it.
Arcane is the most shining example of a videogame adaptation done incredibly well, hands down. I wish it would get brought up in conversation more.
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And on paper it could be seen as "woke"! With female protagonist and antagonist, hinted lesbian, diverse races/ethnicities etc. And yet none of it matters because the animation is mesmerising, the voice acting is stellar, and the story is incredibly engaging.
I hate Hate HATE when new Star Wars content don’t use John Williams’ iconic score and themes. The music has been a big part of good Star Wars. Lucas himself said that he approached the movies as silent films with the visuals and music driving the story. Now it’s just generic synthesized swells of orchestration that can be found in a trailer of an Asylum film. Does Disney not want to pay out to JW?
"Thomas Kinkade, The Movie" went over all their heads. HA, HA! 😂😂😂
I freaking love the Versus theme music. Feel free to let it play a little longer before you get it going. 😂
Many good points made. Thanks everyone for a good show.
Great conversation. Thank you all
This is a great panel group. All of you.
The past regulars were all great, too.
Borderlands Movie Creative Approach: OK Everyone, let's throw everything at this...somethings got to stick...
The romance in Snow White will probably involve the dwarves instead of SW/the Prince. I mean, they're 7 guys living in a remote cabin... ;)
Why can't we hire seven people of short stature? The Wizard of Oz, Return of the Jedi, Time Bandits, Willow all hired a specific population of actors who bring their talents to the screen.
The animated CGI ones look silly
Iger's reign at Disney has got to get a B-school case study treatment - there are just so many mistakes that have been made.
Kevin Hart is on this trip where he wants to be accepted as being able to do serious action roles and not always be the funny guy or the side kick or whatever. I mean i get not wanting to be type cast but I mean work within your strengths right? I just don't think anyone is ever going to accept Kevin Hart as being that bad ass Action Hero. It's just not in his destiny.
Kevin Hart is that actor you hire when you think Chris Tucker isn’t annoying enough.
@@fishjones4618 right?
I WANT TO KNOW WAS THERE A TEASER FOR ATLANTIS?!!!!
5 nights at Freddy's was incredible. And it landed Mathew Lillard back on the map and I'm 110% here for it.
I thought Twin Peaks The Return helped him more
I agree, Disney is rotted out and cannot fix its self until a huge turnaround happens. Like, hostile takeover mass firing turnaround.
On the Street Fighter comment, they did it right though with Street Fighter Assassin's Fist.
As for Hollywood learning lessons, no they don't. They don't want to listen to or cater to fans because they have massive egos and think they know best and can do better than others. To listen and cater to fans would "destrot their creativity."
Holy cr@p, the Snow White commentary! So hilarious I gotta stop every 5 minutes then rewind because I'm laughing so hard!
In regards to the Uncharted film being lackluster. Look up the BTS making of the game's cutscenes. THAT is how they should of made the actual film and they should have used the original actors.
It's also how I would make a Legacy of Kain movie.
I liked the Uncharted movie when it was called Raiders of The Lost Ark.
I must be one of the only people excited for avatar 3. I’m not the biggest fan of the first movie but I loved the way of water and now I’m more invested in these characters!
Same.
I bet they paid Blanchett a stupid amount of money, or her appearance was a clause as part of another deal.
"I want it to be that, that, that, that, that, that, that aaand that". What a joke.
Star Wars have completely lost its identity.
This wasn't Eli's movie. He left long ago and the studio reshot allot of the movie with another director. They took it from rated R and to PG-13. This movie never had a chance.
Here is what Hollywood doesnt understand. Some video game stories are done so well that they are better than a ton of movies. The reason the games arent even more popular is because non-game playing normies know nothing about the game or its story BUT would absolutely love the story and characters if told in a coherent 2 hour long movie. So you stay true to the game, its story and its characters and you introduce them to people who would otherwise never know the story. Its win-win. You please the fans of the game and introduce the story to a whole new audience.
What Hollywood does now is say "Our professional writers in Hollywood are far superior than some game company making a story up and those gamer nerds will come no matter what so lets make our own story to get the normies to come" and all they do is piss off the fan base and write something far worse than the original material
Every culture on earth has tons of folktales - just like Snow White came from the Grimm Brothers' story, many other stories have been collected in the 150 years since. The same model of adapting folktales could work, but be done in a global way. Aladdin/Mulan/Moana and such were moves in that direction, but there's much more that could be done. But you have to take your audience seriously and allow them to be challenged.
Novels are another great source. Much of Ghibli's work for instance is from adapted novels. (Otherwise they adapted manga, often written by Miyazaki himself.)
Disney is a huge pile of investor money and revenues waiting to connect with authentic stories.
If the worldview of those running the company is so closed that they can't look beyond the company's own past, or if the worldview of their audience is so closed, that might explain the current trap. Safety at all costs guarantees irrelevance.
Nothing lasts forever, but it would be great for Disney to pull out of the current nosedive. The desire to _actually make money_ is a powerful force. But so is denial with icebergs ahead.
In the meantime, the rest of us are elsewhere, connecting with (and creating) other things.
Speaking of "fidelity to the audience". I the Deadpool 3 had a lot of that. I think the variant scenes (particularly the crucifixion and AoA variants) are a good blueprint of how to make an X-men movie.
ABY means after the battle of yavin. Thata a new hope. Jedi battle was on endor. Experts I thought?
1:03:49 Bob Iger is the biggest Pale, Male and Stale on the industry , and disney says they are against it .
At SD Comic Con they had a Moxxi themed bar in the gaslamp, and another on the convention floor, and psychos handing out fliers in the streets. They were spending real cash to promote it, but no panels or appearances. The studio couldnt get any creatives to put themselves on the line to promote what they know is a turd.
Max Rebo Chris!
More Nerd Cookies, less from the rest of the panel. The Lord Farquhar quip about Snow White’s hair was actually funny and went right over everyone else’s head.
Awesome stream 😂
Some fine speculation as regards how Disney MIGHT have changed this movie, but sugar on s**t is still s**t! I will never see what they've changed because I won't see it.
This trailer looks like crap!
Old Snow White cleans the house. New Snow White brings in wildlife to crap all over the house?
I don’t think Eli Roth is a bad film maker but he needs to stick to Horror, he is competent in that genre, it’s when he strays outside of it he fails. Sometimes you should stick to what you know. Also Paycheck!
Snow White production looks good, but it's DOA over principles and no reshoots can save it.
Toy Story turns 30 in 2025. It will be a story of reflection unburdened from what was but from what has been
The Borderlands Movie: Made for fans of the Fallout Show.
Dude, if you want to make a mashup of Mad Max, Star Wars, Barbarella, Blade Runner, etc, etc... Make that movie.
Don't make a pseudo game movie with those intentions 😅
I heard about the Borderlands movie when Bobby Lee talked about going to film it years ago. I expected it to bomb then. So, no surprise that it bombed. And Eli Roth is a bad director, imo. Always has been. I never expect anything he makes to be good, so its surprising the one or two times hes made watchable movies.
Even as a toddler I had little interest in Disney, save for Donald Duck. They lost me when they gave Mickey whites to his eyes and made him fat.
this is very strange.. some panelist appears to be very good mind readers. everyone know making a movie takes hundreds of people and like most things, not easy...so when it worked, artistically and/or commercially it is something of a critic's miracle. otherwise it's fine to trash it.
Everything has big stupid drumming in the trailers 🥁 🥁🥁🥁🥁
what's up, my midga?
We prefer the term little colored folk.
The cross talk is unbearable.
Are you new to watching a panel of UA-camrs ?
Quentin Tarantino is so overrated.
And how
Well that certainly is quite the opinion. Tarantino is a lot of things but I never heard overrated
@@scottbarbour9745 Now you heard it.
He is a foot freak
He isn't, but "Once upon a Time in Hollywood" is. Nowhere close his greatest works.
She talks too much and the guys are obviously giving way to her
The second writer of the movie is a nom de plume, he's Alan Smithee methinks in disguise 🥸 hahaha