I tested it. You have to turn it down to all the lowest settings but the game does play. Does it look good? No, not at all. Is the gameplay fun as hell, yes.
PSA: You can increase frame rate also by ticking Synchronous Space Warp (SSW) in Virtual Desktop; You'll have a better time if you connect your handheld to ethernet (through use of a USB-C hub); and the likes of the Legion Go (one I tested) and any other 7840U handheld will yield the same results as this video.
I wish someone would design a more powerful, slightly smaller version of the ally by cutting out features like the screen & button controller and optimize it for VR.
Using wireless adds a lot of computational overhead with the stream encoding (so probably not just wireless but USB Quest Link too), which I imagine that computation time would be more taxing on a handheld gaming device. Wish Q3 had a display port in.
I did in fact install Windows onto a Steam Deck, but onto a hub SSD. Turns out as long as the hub was wired to the router it worked for PCVR. That was pretty dang cool.
Oh wait, you put windows on it and it still worked. What games have you tested this way because I’ve been thinking about doing the same thing as a mobile VR solution
I would love to see this concept revisited with the ROG Ally X and the Lenovo Legion Go as both of them support eGPU's; my dream setup is so close I can taste it. A handheld PC that I can take on the bus for emulation and regular flat FPS games, and a dock at home to be able to go nutty in Legendary Tales.
I've played a lot of pcvr games on Quest 1 and I can say that 72 fps is enough for good experience. Of course having more is better, but not that big of a difference
And Quest 1 is IDEAL for low-end hardware such as Steam Deck/ROG Ally. Because of low resolution OLED, games will look a lot sharper that on more recent Quest headsets.
I think it would make more sense to explore a closed gaming laptop in a custom backpack. You would get 180W of juice instead of 30W, meaning all games should be fully playable on RTX4000 series. You could use USB PC-Link to play anywhere without carrying a wireless router. Problems would be airflow and battery life.
Using Rokid Max 1200p/120Hz AR glasses & a head-tracking solution is more workable with these 7840U handhelds. I can do this quite well with my AOKZOE A1 Pro w/64GB of RAM.
I have been seeing a lot of advertisements, for those "mini" PCs lately. Im talking about those little square computers, that are about the size of a hockey Puck and sell for anywhere between $100 and $400. Have you ever tried to run pcvr, on one of those? I'm very curious, if something like that could handle pcvr. What are your thoughts?
yeah, absolutely. some of them right now even come in 7840HS, an APU that Ally's Z1Extreme is based of. So theoretically, with enough electric & soldering skills, if you wire it up to a powerbank capable of suitable output you could have both strapped by your belt like a fanny pack and have it directly linked to any headset you desire. it's basically a next evolution step from the laptop in a backpack Edit: found a working proof of concept for the battery powered NUC: ua-cam.com/users/shortsvyZkqk0fkD8?si=vFLZj3cwjsTWTEYX
@@DudeStrange Just saw it. That's nuts! Now imagine that, attached to the back of the headset. The ULTIMATE "all in one"! You could tether it to your phone's Hotspot and have a complete vr computer system. I'm imagining the possibilities, if it was able to work.
Mysticle all you had to do was plug this into a travel router with a usbc hub and switch to av1 on virtual desktop. I get latency in the 20s! Plus you can use space warp and you can use fluid motion frames at the same time for incredible performance boosts. I can run half life alyx on high at 72fps.
If a company can figure out how to attach a PCVR unit either in backpack form or even fanny pack form. This would be an awesome first step. The main goal obviously would be all mounted in headset. Thing is. I can't wait for PCVR to drop the need of base stations in the future. Some way we could come to a point where full body tracking won't be an issue.
Here's an idea, rather than having the steamdeck in a pocket, have a strap that you put on it so you wear it over your chest so it's snug, but at the same time you can reach down with your hands and control it like a gamepad in other VR related games that would rather use a gamepad to control. You have 2 straps going up to your shoulders on the top of the device. Then you have 2 straps under the device that goes to your belt or around your waist. The straps lets you keep track of where the steamdeck is so you can reach down and grab it.
I feel like that's where these kind of things are going for people who want PCVR. Honestly, I'd rather have the weight of current standalone on my back, not my head, especially if trying for PCVR graphics, but I know everyone wants to slim standalone itself down to just glasses when the tech just isn't there yet.
I hear an idea bulb turning on on some 3rd party HW developer like Minisforum on a quest strap pc with latest Ryzen APU and a battery with USB-c cord to attach to the headset. Something like that could be under 1000€ and would perform quite well and going forward will get smaller and more powerful.
I have a win mini and it’s at least twice as powerful as this and it’s much smaller. I wonder how well it would work. I’ll update this when I get my headset.
If it's about twice as powerful I would expect it to work much better! Hope that's the case and you'll be able to enjoy some pretty decent PCVR on it 😃
I think that a notebook strapped to your back might also be a nice way to try it.. Like with hdmi or dp directly connected and some sort of backpack that has holes exactly on the ventilation. It can be worth trying both with the wireless headset and wired to get a nicer representation of what can be done with some sort of on the go setup. It would be cool to see older laptops converted to a backpack VR device with some sort of custom case and custom battery mods.
I have a ryzen9 with a 6800m laptop. It runs PCVR with no issue on an hp reverb. The backpack ideas would work. It’d be like when you ride a motorcycle, you have to wear a backpack to carrier stuff with and a helmet
It would probably be best to have a custom backpack frame with the laptop attached to it for ventilation purposes. However, if you used a regular off the shelf backpack, a mesh backpack would probably be ideal.
@@RIVERSIDEREVIEWS yeah that's what I was kinda thinking about, a custom printed backpack with some metallic cage as reinforcement and a soft cushioning on the back. It's not the top of the portability yet it might be a valid way to create an all in one solution to use in long trips without having to worry about the cables. It's also true that you can always use a laptop with virtual desktop or steam link with a separate Wi-Fi 6 USB drive but it would be fun to have a backpack VR workstation maybe with an integrated slime tracker that you can use to play games on the fly.
Not tested VR with the steam deck but it runs VRCHAT fine in desktop with some tweaks. Modern Ryzen based APUs should preform better than anything android based. I’m not sure what APU the Z1 extreme is comparable too but the Ryzen9 780m is impressive and could probably fit on a headset.
Some kind of computer on the back that is connected to VR headset. ITS CALLED GAMING LAPTOP BACKPACK AND DESKTOP REPLACEMENT GAMING LAPTOP IN IT WITH OR WITHOUT WIRE RUNNING TO THE HEADSET! - Literally what military is using now for training in CQB. Backpack with laptop, with VR headset tethered to it and with simulated weapons running around training MOUT site.
Yeah we often do be completely inappropriately dressed for the weather when going out just for a while or just in our yards 😅 It's always why would I spend more time dressing up than I'm gonna be outside or it's just a forth and back, it Will be in a blink of an eye, and you end up ankles deep in snow wearing pool slippers when taking out the garbage bag like I myself did today😂
Hey Mysticle, how do they specs match up to what's inside the Quest 3. What do you think about future headsets using AMD and RTX instead of Snapdragon?
Why not use the h265 codec option with the quest 3? It would help with bandwidth limitations, especially when using h264, also having snapdragon super resolution enabled and ssw disabled
A consistent 72hz is perfectly acceptable in my opinion. Just like you said. Q1 was 72hz, and as long as it's more consistent, it's noticeably better than 60fps, which is like a bare minimum for VR (and even that's debatable.)
Interesting video. I have a ROG ally which I've been using to play older titles in my backlog and it's been great for that but I haven't thought about using it for PCVR lol Thankfully my main rig has a RTX 3080 which runs most PCVR games maxed out at 90+ fps. I'm excited to see how much more powerful mobile chips get in the coming years as that means better stand-alone VR for us.
I believe Valve will soon make some kind of "Vision Pro" version of Steam Deck, a standalone VR/AR headset with SteamOS that can run PCVR games natively. With eye tracking, it can render a sharp image only where the player is looking, so I think it's possible. If SteamVR 2.0 gets support for Linux, it may mean that "Steam Deckard" is coming.
I believe this the plan as well. I wonder how much cheaper they could make the headset. lets say it has similar screens and lenses to the q3. but it doesn't need anywhere near the q3 or even q2 (or q1?) processor or ram or storage. just enough processing power for decoding video, inside out tracking and controllers.
I bought my ally when it first came out to use it as a portable VR device... I was not disappointed, also there is Asus's e-gpus as well which help with adding more ports (including Ethernet) and of course better graphics, the only thing I haven't tried yet is full body tracking and also trying to use my prism xr with it for better wireless streaming. As Mysticle said he is not recommending you go out and get an Ally for portable VR, also in my case specifically, adding a Prism XR and the 2021 ROG XG Mobile e-gpu makes the set up soooo much more expensive.
@4:50 a I'd have to disagree with that reasoning as when your shelling out $1000+ for an experience slightly better than the first quest you're not really getting you bang for your buck especially if you have to tune down the settings to get a playable experience, on the other hand though it is pretty impressive what you can achieve in an outside the box use case as I'm pretty sure RoG ally wasn't made to drive VR.
I use an ayaneo Kun 7840u 64GB, and virtualdesktop via prismx. I add a gpd g1 for extra oompf when an outlet is near by, runs great, spacewarp is key! But I think 16GB is way too little considering it’s also used as vram.
I wonder if it can do VR thru the Display Port? Not having to encode a stream might boost frames a tiny bit. (idk how the RX 7000 on the ROG Ally handles encoding)
I'm a bit worried about that latency, I start to notice it when it gets above 50. Buuut I'm comparing this to my gaming pc. Still amazing this little thing can run pcvr games!
I'm looking forward to building a PC into a bag, with a custom thermal and power pack setup. Both because I don't want to give up any performance from a desktop, while making it portable. The new 8000 APUs from AMD or the Nvidia A4000 are both high on my portability-power lists.
So does virtual desktop actually give you more fps? For I use steam link atm but just wonder if virtual desktop would give me more fps in told they have more screen settings
I mean I mostly play beatsaber pavlov and vrchat so if I had a battery strap on my waitst a dual usbc 3.0 adapter a link cable and a rog ally I could see that working
I expect new valve headset to be standalone with Linux and based Zen 5. It will have enough power to run simple apps and games, and for more fidelity you stream from desktop. I think it's the best way to go
Not the main reason why I want the ASUS ROG ally, but it is an impressive reason. For me its currently a tossup between this and the MSI claw, its the question whether I go with a tried and true handheld like the ally or go for raw power but new handheld that may not get support like the MSI claw as I believe it's currently the most powerful handheld pc.
At the end of the day bot are basically just PCs and every device these days has some issues at launch, so the best move is to wait for the Claw's release + about 2 months to see the software patches + skip on any faulty first batch units and then just get the Claw. if budget aren't a concern no need to settle down for weaker hardware, it will last you longer before having to upgrade again this way. At least that's the strat i used when getting my Ally and even before when getting The Steamdeck for my brother 😂
That's the stance I'm gonna take and hang about to see what comes out of the MSI claw. I would just get a desktop but I really don't have the space for it and I don't think a laptop would be as powerful for the same price. I want to get into blender and unreal to a somewhat serious level so I need as much power as I can reasonably get so I've only been looking at the highest end models of both. The claw might be the choice if MSI make it clear that they will actively support, update and fix issues
Honestly I would wait a few weeks or even months for the MSI Claw. They went with Intel which is a really weird choice IMO, especially considering their driver issues with their new GPUs (Alchemist I think they're called?)
It certainly is a weird choice which is a reason why I'm wary of getting the claw at the moment, I'll keep my eyes on any updates and news but it's effectively gonna be my main pc if I choose it over the ally so it just needs to work with no problems which the ally I feel has gotten to that point
This is very impressive! I do have a quick question. Is the Ally causing the latency to be so high? I play on a 5ghz router as well and I get around 35-40ms latency
It's because they are using the ally's mobile hotspot instead of using a router. There are pocket sized travel routers that would lower the latency down to normal but Mysticle was too lazy to do it.
@@robertpetrie2536 after I commented, I realized what I said lol. He had it in his pocket which means he was running pcvr off a device running off WiFi. If you put the ally in a dock with Ethernet, it would be way better experience and honestly playable
VR works fine on Linux Mint for me and I know tons of people who run it on Arch just fine, the real problem with the Deck for VR would just be GPU power
Something that would probably help a lot is messing with the vram, not sure if you tried that or even knew about it. AMD IGPUs love more ram try like 2gb or 4gb. This could be the reason you were limited with quality.
I’m getting one because my dad won’t buy me a gaming pc but he said I could get this ROG ally z1 and it’s my ONLY way to play PCVR because I already have laptop that can “play” games so Ik you said “you should not buy it” but this is my only way and thank you for testing this
"devices like the steam deck"
*pulls out ROG Ally*
Wdym 4 hours ago???
patrons or smth?@@GillaAGPB
@@GillaAGPBit's an unlisted video who was probably sent to some early
steam deck isnt as powerful as the ally, plus windows on the deck is...not great
This vid got posted like a minute ago
Wish half life alyx was tested
It actually works well.
I tested it. You have to turn it down to all the lowest settings but the game does play. Does it look good? No, not at all. Is the gameplay fun as hell, yes.
@@RAMSBR001 game play > graphics
Boneworks runs worse than alyx for me so it 100% should be playable
@@Skikopl Exactly. Boneworks was much tougher to work on my PC than Alyx.
PSA: You can increase frame rate also by ticking Synchronous Space Warp (SSW) in Virtual Desktop; You'll have a better time if you connect your handheld to ethernet (through use of a USB-C hub); and the likes of the Legion Go (one I tested) and any other 7840U handheld will yield the same results as this video.
You can tell he already did that, if you look in the vd overlay in the bottom right it says "spacewarp: active" in orange
I'm saying that because he didn't say it ;)@@tal_os8148
On point 🙏
I dont have a pc but was thinking about buying the steam deck and the was hoping maybe it could work for pcvr but i wasn’t getting my hopes up
@@newagehero9605PCVR can work on Linux but it’s not that great ATM. Even then, the steam deck isn’t powerful enough for most VR games.
I wish someone would design a more powerful, slightly smaller version of the ally by cutting out features like the screen & button controller and optimize it for VR.
Using wireless adds a lot of computational overhead with the stream encoding (so probably not just wireless but USB Quest Link too), which I imagine that computation time would be more taxing on a handheld gaming device. Wish Q3 had a display port in.
Z1 extreme chip provides av1 encoding so it’s actually super smooth on these devices as long as you use a router attached.
I'm sure you can use an adapter?
@@robertpetrie2536 Oh neat. I wish my 3000 series GPU had that!
I did in fact install Windows onto a Steam Deck, but onto a hub SSD. Turns out as long as the hub was wired to the router it worked for PCVR. That was pretty dang cool.
The steam deck is a little monster. The stuff it’s capable of running (I guess because steam OS is so lightweight) is impressive.
Oh wait, you put windows on it and it still worked. What games have you tested this way because I’ve been thinking about doing the same thing as a mobile VR solution
Only VRChat so far. I didn't own anything else at the time and the only thing I've picked up since then is Sail
Mysticle I will say, you are a mad lad for having short sleeves outdoors in the winter
polish blood is a different blood, mate
@@gonzalolo I agree
I would love to see this concept revisited with the ROG Ally X and the Lenovo Legion Go as both of them support eGPU's; my dream setup is so close I can taste it. A handheld PC that I can take on the bus for emulation and regular flat FPS games, and a dock at home to be able to go nutty in Legendary Tales.
Something i think would be interesting is ALVR and there usb connection method so you dont have to rely on being on good wifi
I've played a lot of pcvr games on Quest 1 and I can say that 72 fps is enough for good experience. Of course having more is better, but not that big of a difference
And Quest 1 is IDEAL for low-end hardware such as Steam Deck/ROG Ally. Because of low resolution OLED, games will look a lot sharper that on more recent Quest headsets.
You have airconditioner?
I think it would make more sense to explore a closed gaming laptop in a custom backpack. You would get 180W of juice instead of 30W, meaning all games should be fully playable on RTX4000 series. You could use USB PC-Link to play anywhere without carrying a wireless router. Problems would be airflow and battery life.
Using Rokid Max 1200p/120Hz AR glasses & a head-tracking solution is more workable with these 7840U handhelds. I can do this quite well with my AOKZOE A1 Pro w/64GB of RAM.
These polish people… A T-shirt with snow around😂 it
I have been seeing a lot of advertisements, for those "mini" PCs lately. Im talking about those little square computers, that are about the size of a hockey Puck and sell for anywhere between $100 and $400. Have you ever tried to run pcvr, on one of those? I'm very curious, if something like that could handle pcvr. What are your thoughts?
yeah, absolutely. some of them right now even come in 7840HS, an APU that Ally's Z1Extreme is based of. So theoretically, with enough electric & soldering skills, if you wire it up to a powerbank capable of suitable output you could have both strapped by your belt like a fanny pack and have it directly linked to any headset you desire. it's basically a next evolution step from the laptop in a backpack
Edit: found a working proof of concept for the battery powered NUC: ua-cam.com/users/shortsvyZkqk0fkD8?si=vFLZj3cwjsTWTEYX
@@DudeStrange Just saw it. That's nuts! Now imagine that, attached to the back of the headset. The ULTIMATE "all in one"! You could tether it to your phone's Hotspot and have a complete vr computer system. I'm imagining the possibilities, if it was able to work.
I read that the quest 3 supports WiFi 6e for the 6ghz WiFi bands. That should be better than 5ghz WiFi.
O kurde the testicle w polsce jest.
I've tried with this and the Legion Go and it runs surprisingly well.
plus you can remove controllers and just keep it in your hoodie pocket. (RIP ventilation tho)
Mysticle all you had to do was plug this into a travel router with a usbc hub and switch to av1 on virtual desktop. I get latency in the 20s! Plus you can use space warp and you can use fluid motion frames at the same time for incredible performance boosts. I can run half life alyx on high at 72fps.
Literally the Valve Deckard.
If a company can figure out how to attach a PCVR unit either in backpack form or even fanny pack form. This would be an awesome first step. The main goal obviously would be all mounted in headset. Thing is. I can't wait for PCVR to drop the need of base stations in the future. Some way we could come to a point where full body tracking won't be an issue.
It would be cool to have mobile upgradable boxes that you could connect to the quest or all vr glasses for that graphical power and storage even.
do you use VD and steamVR on it? after all, VD now has VDXR which is much more efficient
I was wondering too. From my experience VDXR performed at least 10% better on my system compared to using steamVR runtime.
in the games I tested it was slightly 30-50% better
a couple days ago i met someone running on a steam deck with an index and vive trackers in vrc
Here's an idea, rather than having the steamdeck in a pocket, have a strap that you put on it so you wear it over your chest so it's snug, but at the same time you can reach down with your hands and control it like a gamepad in other VR related games that would rather use a gamepad to control.
You have 2 straps going up to your shoulders on the top of the device.
Then you have 2 straps under the device that goes to your belt or around your waist. The straps lets you keep track of where the steamdeck is so you can reach down and grab it.
The way you held ROG ALLY in the beginning and shook it gave me a heart attack.
It's ok, microSD card was already dead.
I have a legion go, want to get an EGPU in a few years and should be solid. Soon!
Same!
We need to start making ventilated backpacks with battery banks that you can strap a handheld into and pass the cable into.
What ever happened to backpack VR PCs? That seems more reasonable than this..
I feel like that's where these kind of things are going for people who want PCVR. Honestly, I'd rather have the weight of current standalone on my back, not my head, especially if trying for PCVR graphics, but I know everyone wants to slim standalone itself down to just glasses when the tech just isn't there yet.
Did you try testing with the Rog docked and cabled to router?
I was not prepared for mysticle with no glasses
when is FSR3 releasing? That would change things.
Should work on a Legion Go, right
Sh-t’s about to get wacky, man!!!
You must have some big pockets
I hear an idea bulb turning on on some 3rd party HW developer like Minisforum on a quest strap pc with latest Ryzen APU and a battery with USB-c cord to attach to the headset.
Something like that could be under 1000€ and would perform quite well and going forward will get smaller and more powerful.
Could you do a mini PC backpack next?
When you played it outside the house it connected directly to the asus Ally wifi or you had a router in the middle?
Trying to convince my friend to get one of these real quick since I have multiplayer games that I don't feel comfortable playing in public lobbies
I have a question, why are you using an intermediary router when you can use the rog as a direct access point with adhoc wireless?
The Ally is a beast. It really surprised me.
I have a win mini and it’s at least twice as powerful as this and it’s much smaller. I wonder how well it would work. I’ll update this when I get my headset.
If it's about twice as powerful I would expect it to work much better! Hope that's the case and you'll be able to enjoy some pretty decent PCVR on it 😃
How about a minipc without screen? Like a MINISFORUM Venus Series UM773? Wouldn't that work?
Would have loved to have seen more games tested, and more performance tweaks as well like maybe using the fsr vr toolkit.
I think that a notebook strapped to your back might also be a nice way to try it.. Like with hdmi or dp directly connected and some sort of backpack that has holes exactly on the ventilation. It can be worth trying both with the wireless headset and wired to get a nicer representation of what can be done with some sort of on the go setup. It would be cool to see older laptops converted to a backpack VR device with some sort of custom case and custom battery mods.
I have a ryzen9 with a 6800m laptop. It runs PCVR with no issue on an hp reverb. The backpack ideas would work. It’d be like when you ride a motorcycle, you have to wear a backpack to carrier stuff with and a helmet
It would probably be best to have a custom backpack frame with the laptop attached to it for ventilation purposes. However, if you used a regular off the shelf backpack, a mesh backpack would probably be ideal.
@@RIVERSIDEREVIEWS yeah that's what I was kinda thinking about, a custom printed backpack with some metallic cage as reinforcement and a soft cushioning on the back. It's not the top of the portability yet it might be a valid way to create an all in one solution to use in long trips without having to worry about the cables. It's also true that you can always use a laptop with virtual desktop or steam link with a separate Wi-Fi 6 USB drive but it would be fun to have a backpack VR workstation maybe with an integrated slime tracker that you can use to play games on the fly.
How does it work outside? I thought wireless vr require connection through modem wifi.
Can you please tell me what program you use to monitor FPS during VR games?
Not tested VR with the steam deck but it runs VRCHAT fine in desktop with some tweaks.
Modern Ryzen based APUs should preform better than anything android based. I’m not sure what APU the Z1 extreme is comparable too but the Ryzen9 780m is impressive and could probably fit on a headset.
Some kind of computer on the back that is connected to VR headset. ITS CALLED GAMING LAPTOP BACKPACK AND DESKTOP REPLACEMENT GAMING LAPTOP IN IT WITH OR WITHOUT WIRE RUNNING TO THE HEADSET! - Literally what military is using now for training in CQB. Backpack with laptop, with VR headset tethered to it and with simulated weapons running around training MOUT site.
Did u use the ally connected to a dock and wired connection or wireless
Nobody’s gonna talk about him wearing short sleeves while there’s feet of snow everywhere?
thats normal
Yeah we often do be completely inappropriately dressed for the weather when going out just for a while or just in our yards 😅
It's always why would I spend more time dressing up than I'm gonna be outside or it's just a forth and back, it Will be in a blink of an eye, and you end up ankles deep in snow wearing pool slippers when taking out the garbage bag like I myself did today😂
I have an ROG Ally and it sucks for PCVR
Hey Mysticle, how do they specs match up to what's inside the Quest 3. What do you think about future headsets using AMD and RTX instead of Snapdragon?
I am going to do this with the lenovo legion go. I will let you know how it goes
Decoding is done on the Quest 3 itself so why is it so high
Great video v informative. Hope Into the Radius will be tried soon?
Pre preview of newest steam vr device basically performance, if you could just combine it together instead of wireless
Why not use the h265 codec option with the quest 3? It would help with bandwidth limitations, especially when using h264, also having snapdragon super resolution enabled and ssw disabled
Why not use AV1? Z1 extreme can do AV1!
Could you make a video on VR in palworld? It uses unreal engine so...
A consistent 72hz is perfectly acceptable in my opinion. Just like you said. Q1 was 72hz, and as long as it's more consistent, it's noticeably better than 60fps, which is like a bare minimum for VR (and even that's debatable.)
Interesting video. I have a ROG ally which I've been using to play older titles in my backlog and it's been great for that but I haven't thought about using it for PCVR lol Thankfully my main rig has a RTX 3080 which runs most PCVR games maxed out at 90+ fps. I'm excited to see how much more powerful mobile chips get in the coming years as that means better stand-alone VR for us.
Would be cool to see how it would run vr if the xg mobile was added.
poles be like: -20 outside, t-shirt is enough
What can I say, I thought it was pretty warm. Even though I did get a call from my mom today telling me I shouldn't be doing that 😂
I believe Valve will soon make some kind of "Vision Pro" version of Steam Deck, a standalone VR/AR headset with SteamOS that can run PCVR games natively. With eye tracking, it can render a sharp image only where the player is looking, so I think it's possible. If SteamVR 2.0 gets support for Linux, it may mean that "Steam Deckard" is coming.
SteamVR 2.0 is insanely close to supporting linux... it's coming.
I believe this the plan as well. I wonder how much cheaper they could make the headset. lets say it has similar screens and lenses to the q3. but it doesn't need anywhere near the q3 or even q2 (or q1?) processor or ram or storage. just enough processing power for decoding video, inside out tracking and controllers.
What about blade and sorcery or like half-life alyx? I really wanna know. Can you maybe check
Bloodtrail dose it run?
Maybe the apple vision pro might have enough power to do this
I bought my ally when it first came out to use it as a portable VR device... I was not disappointed, also there is Asus's e-gpus as well which help with adding more ports (including Ethernet) and of course better graphics, the only thing I haven't tried yet is full body tracking and also trying to use my prism xr with it for better wireless streaming. As Mysticle said he is not recommending you go out and get an Ally for portable VR, also in my case specifically, adding a Prism XR and the 2021 ROG XG Mobile e-gpu makes the set up soooo much more expensive.
@4:50 a I'd have to disagree with that reasoning as when your shelling out $1000+ for an experience slightly better than the first quest you're not really getting you bang for your buck especially if you have to tune down the settings to get a playable experience, on the other hand though it is pretty impressive what you can achieve in an outside the box use case as I'm pretty sure RoG ally wasn't made to drive VR.
The rog ally isn't 1000 dollars, it is £549
I use an ayaneo Kun 7840u 64GB, and virtualdesktop via prismx. I add a gpd g1 for extra oompf when an outlet is near by, runs great, spacewarp is key! But I think 16GB is way too little considering it’s also used as vram.
I wonder if it can do VR thru the Display Port? Not having to encode a stream might boost frames a tiny bit. (idk how the RX 7000 on the ROG Ally handles encoding)
Just use a router and AV1 encoding on virtual desktop and problem solved. Instant quest 3 low latency pcvr.
I'm a bit worried about that latency, I start to notice it when it gets above 50.
Buuut I'm comparing this to my gaming pc. Still amazing this little thing can run pcvr games!
I'm looking forward to building a PC into a bag, with a custom thermal and power pack setup.
Both because I don't want to give up any performance from a desktop, while making it portable.
The new 8000 APUs from AMD or the Nvidia A4000 are both high on my portability-power lists.
Why not usbc? Immersed lets you use usb c. Thats direct?
Absolutely love my Ally. Never thought about using it with my Oculus.
THE TESTICLE
What is this device called again?
So does virtual desktop actually give you more fps? For I use steam link atm but just wonder if virtual desktop would give me more fps in told they have more screen settings
It would be cool if you get the external GPU for it.
I mean I mostly play beatsaber pavlov and vrchat so if I had a battery strap on my waitst a dual usbc 3.0 adapter a link cable and a rog ally I could see that working
A guy on reddit told me he played the entire Half Life 2 VR mod on his handheld at stable framerates
Try it with the new msi claw next, it seems to be more powerful!
Stormland?
I bet this is the feeling of the Valve Deckard
do you suppose it would run skyrim ok?
I expect new valve headset to be standalone with Linux and based Zen 5. It will have enough power to run simple apps and games, and for more fidelity you stream from desktop. I think it's the best way to go
Why not AV1?
Can you make a new beat saber modding tutorial
it crashed on the 6th level of Crescendo on Rec Room..
Could I realistically play No Man’s Sky on this?
Not the main reason why I want the ASUS ROG ally, but it is an impressive reason. For me its currently a tossup between this and the MSI claw, its the question whether I go with a tried and true handheld like the ally or go for raw power but new handheld that may not get support like the MSI claw as I believe it's currently the most powerful handheld pc.
At the end of the day bot are basically just PCs and every device these days has some issues at launch, so the best move is to wait for the Claw's release + about 2 months to see the software patches + skip on any faulty first batch units and then just get the Claw. if budget aren't a concern no need to settle down for weaker hardware, it will last you longer before having to upgrade again this way.
At least that's the strat i used when getting my Ally and even before when getting The Steamdeck for my brother 😂
That's the stance I'm gonna take and hang about to see what comes out of the MSI claw. I would just get a desktop but I really don't have the space for it and I don't think a laptop would be as powerful for the same price. I want to get into blender and unreal to a somewhat serious level so I need as much power as I can reasonably get so I've only been looking at the highest end models of both. The claw might be the choice if MSI make it clear that they will actively support, update and fix issues
Honestly I would wait a few weeks or even months for the MSI Claw. They went with Intel which is a really weird choice IMO, especially considering their driver issues with their new GPUs (Alchemist I think they're called?)
It certainly is a weird choice which is a reason why I'm wary of getting the claw at the moment, I'll keep my eyes on any updates and news but it's effectively gonna be my main pc if I choose it over the ally so it just needs to work with no problems which the ally I feel has gotten to that point
i would love to run pcvr games on my i7 gpd win max... once i get a useable access point. it refuses to connect with link cable heh
This is very impressive! I do have a quick question. Is the Ally causing the latency to be so high? I play on a 5ghz router as well and I get around 35-40ms latency
It's probably the Virtual Desktop's bitrate limit being a bit higher
It's because they are using the ally's mobile hotspot instead of using a router. There are pocket sized travel routers that would lower the latency down to normal but Mysticle was too lazy to do it.
@@robertpetrie2536 after I commented, I realized what I said lol. He had it in his pocket which means he was running pcvr off a device running off WiFi. If you put the ally in a dock with Ethernet, it would be way better experience and honestly playable
VR works fine on Linux Mint for me and I know tons of people who run it on Arch just fine, the real problem with the Deck for VR would just be GPU power
Something that would probably help a lot is messing with the vram, not sure if you tried that or even knew about it. AMD IGPUs love more ram try like 2gb or 4gb. This could be the reason you were limited with quality.
Mystic I know you can afford the Vision Pro.. just get it man haha I know you want to review it.
What's the point if you use mobile devices but wireless connection. 😅
U can set quest 3 to 80hz can’t u ?
I’m getting one because my dad won’t buy me a gaming pc but he said I could get this ROG ally z1 and it’s my ONLY way to play PCVR because I already have laptop that can “play” games so Ik you said “you should not buy it” but this is my only way and thank you for testing this
Ooh that intro was niiicce