The dog scene broke me. Even with all the pain, it still wagged its tail happily when he saw Martin. At least the dog got to spend its last moments with the only one who cared for him. I still wish Martin found a cure for it in the end.
Man,if he did,the impact probably would not be the same for an horror film,also he probably would suffer more if he searched long enough for a cure,with him dying in the process of wainting.
I figure with that much genetic damage to the dog, it would be impossible to fix. It would be inhumane to try to fix what it was currently suffering with in that moment, depending on how long.
To this day, the dog scenes remain the saddest and most disturbing thing I ever saw as a kid. Even as an adult, that scene with the dog howling and crawling to his bowl rips my heart out. Poor dog. It's true: If that scene didn't break your heart, you have no soul. Lol
Bert Turbaville I have a theory. He was in a penultimate phase of metamorphosis and was expending energy to begin. So sex first time was a heavy energy splurge for the guy. Kid? He is 5 after all
The whole business with the dog burned itself into my memory. Even 27 years later, it is one of the few scenes which truly breaks my heart. Also, Eric Stoltz is a totally underrated actor.
"I have yet to see CGI capture this kind of emotion." Exactly. Which is why The Thing still packs a visceral punch to this day and the 'prequel' recently released doesn't even generate a minor flutter in my stomach when I see the CGI in it.
guibox3 the shame is they shot the Thing prequel with all practical effects and they looked amazing. One of the producers didn't like them so he insisted they go back and do them all CGI. So there exists two versions of the film, one with practical effects and one with CGI. Unfortunately, the studio refuses to release the original, non CGI version.
GoodBadFlicks Actually, I was going to mention that. I saw the two headed creature crawling in CGI and it did NOTHING for me. Then I saw a 'behind the scenes' where they had the same thing, but with an animatronic robot, and immediately my gut clenched and I felt fear and revulsion. I haven't seen the full movie, just bits and pieces, but I won't even bother unless they release the version with the make up and puppetry.
Blah, blah, all CGI sucks, blah, blah, blah, all practical effects are godlike. I am so tired of this "argument". Not all CGI is good, and a lot of practical effects aren't convincing.
I dont agree. The THING prequel looks really good. And its a good movie too. Yes, it was strange to use only CGI, when there where practical effects. I think best effects are CGI + practical. Not just only one.
Seriously though The Fly 2 suffers solely from being a sequel to a masterpiece first film. The movie in of itself is very good but the original is just so iconic it's hard to watch it without thinking about its predecessor. Kinda like Psycho 2 or Rocky 2.
The Fly 2 is probably the only film I've seen so far that had me bursting out crying on the infamous dog scenes and still gives me a huge lump in my throat every time I watch those scenes.
+Yeth both (YethBothONE) Exactly. I remember how much I cried after that scene. Had to stop the movie for like 10 minutes. Said to myself that I am not going to watch this movie ever again because of this scene, haha ;)
+Yeth both (YethBothONE) Does that explain why later on even after he's become all fly, that when another dog enters the lab he stops and acts gentle with it, even petting and hugging it later before resuming his rampage?
The guy stole my wife, disolved my hand and leg with fly vomit....I had no love for the man......he bugged me.....hahahaha. I really like the fly 2. Agreed it is underrated. Some very inventive gore shots and the puppetry was first class
I agree the ending in the film was perfect. Not only did he get what was coming to him, but the film ended the same way all this craziness began: with a fly.
Horrifyingly Hillarious It always got to me to, especially being a dog person. Heck, I kind of avoided this flick after I first saw it mainly because what they did to the poor pup, and the euthanasia scene. Same reason I almost avoided watching this review. Did enjoy the Frank Darabont meme, "I feed off your tears." Kind of blunted the shock.
I agree that the sequel deserves a lot more credit. As with the 1986 remake, I wish it were longer and not so rushed through. The scenes that got me the most were actually not so much with the dog, but with Martin's birth (poor Ronnie); Martin's discovery of his origins; etc. I love how that, unlike Seth Brundle, he was able to retain just enough of his humanity to not harm either the guard dog or Beth. That scene where the creature is looking at her, you can see he's trying to communicate with her - but he isn't capable and when he walks away, you could imagine his despair at frightening Beth and not being able to comfort her. Plus, also, I really feel for Stathis in this one. Although he started out as a jerk in the last film, he ended up a hero and having to witness the love of his life die from giving birth to a mutant (lets be honest, Martin IS a mutant), not a human being - it would be a shock if it didn't traumatize him. In fact, in the script, after Ronnie died, Bartok gave Stathis hush money to not speak of the experience to anyone. After all the stuff he went through, it is really not surprising he became a bitter drunk. But even despite that, and probably because he knew Ronnie was a part of Martin, he decided to help him. I do think its super insanely disgusting and creepy that Martin is essentially hitting a woman who is 18-25 years older than him and Beth is no better - she is in lust with a 5 year old.... = Calling every known law enforcement agency in the known universe as well as Chris Hansen! Gross!
"Bartok's been lying to Martin, telling him the reason that he's there is because he suffers from a rare growth disorder that he contracted because of his father" I mean, he's technically not lying
"From a certain point of view." Grin. Disney and the SJWs won't have anything as iconic and memorable as that. Good, they don't deserve any legacy but disdain for raping Star Wars in a ditch. :/
Not going to lie : I was working at a juice bar in California in a relatively affluent area and one day Eric Stoltz came walking in ordered a drink from me .., when i handed him the drink , for some reason , even though I loved Pulp Fiction at the time , I said :" I loved you in the Fly 2 " :)
The most powerful moment in the revenge dish served cold to Bartok was when he crawled over to his gruel dish and in his gruel was a FLY that he stared at in shock! That was the most important scene! I am kind of surprised that you missed that detail, but great video regardless. :D
didn't you find the scene with the dog sadder than with the protagonist at the end of the 1986 movie the fly? the life and well-being of a person is more important and valuable than that of a dog, but the dog had no choice with what happened with it, whereas with what happened with that guy in that other movie, he did it to himself, and he already knew there would be risks before he did it.
I couldn't watch this for a few years after it was in theaters because I'd seen the kitten in a movie review on tv. Someone told me the kitty was okay, but they didn't warn me about the dog. I'm more a cat person, but the dog made me cry.
Fun Fact: The actress who replaced Geena Davis in *"THE FLY II"* was none other than Saffron Henderson who'll later played J. J. Jarrett, the rock-star wannabe who gets killed by Jason Voorhees with her guitar in *"FRIDAY THE 13TH Part* *VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan"* (1989). Saffron was also the English voice for Kid Goku & Kid Gohan in *"Dragon Ball"* & *"Dragon Ball Z",* the first voice for Kagome's kid brother Sōta & Kagome's classmate Eri in *"Inuyasha"* (2000-2004) and the first two installments of its four-part film series (2001-2004): *"Affections Touching Across Time"* & *"The Castle Beyond the Looking* *Glass",* and Callisto, the leader of The Morlocks in *"X-MEN: Evolution".*
9:45 See, right there. That eye twitch shows perfectly that the guy is piss-pants terrified, but still has a job to do. God I love little details like that! I miss back when directors would actually let a shot linger instead of cutting every half second!
+Amelia Bee Watching something like the original Die Hard vs Die Hard 5. The original has long shots and cuts when needed. 5 is jiggling the camera and cutting constantly to the point of where you can't tell what is going on.
+GoodBadFlicks Exactly. It's like they think we'll lose interest if they don't flash to a new angle or scene every half-second. If this film were to be made today, that wonderful, atmospheric eye-twitch scene would have probably never happened.
Coincidentally, I watched both The Fly and The Fly II late at night on television, roughly 3ish months apart from each other (I was about 13 years old and was taking full advantage of having a TV in my room). The Fly is my favourite monster/horror film and The Fly II is, while flawed, a solid movie in its own right. To this day, I tell everyone who'll listen that MartinFly's creature effects are some of the best I've seen. I've heard rumours of another Fly remake in the works and I'm cautiously optimistic. If anything it'll give me a reason to make my friends watch the 80s Fly movies.
That’s why everyone I speak to is always so reluctant in watching the movie again. Understandable, if you think about it. I like the movie, at least, despite that major tearjerker.
9:40 There's just something about seeing a skelefied face yelling in agony, so horrifying and yet fucking awesome. Like, you can see the jaws open wider to let out a scream that would even make death himself shutter.
They Fly is one of my all time favorites, but I didn't finish this one. The mutated dog bummed me out way too much. I was in the mood for a goretastic vomit fest, and instead I got a punch in the soul. It does make the end one of the best revenge moments ever, though. I should have stuck with it.
I don't remember this, but my mother tells me that The Fly was my favorite movie when I was 4. Idk how I saw it, maybe my parents were watching it, but apparently I freaking loved it and gleefully told several people all about the grossest parts of the movie. Then I watched all 3 Exorcists in one night when I was 11 to prove to my dad I wasn't scared of horror movies. No wonder I'm so messed up lol. I didn't even know this movie existed. I feel compelled to watch it.
The shining for me, dunno why but I loved it. Watcher in the woods freaked me right out tho. I Dtill don't understand how shining was a fun watch for me but a Disney film gave me nightmares for days lol
Man, that Face Melt scene is one of the best examples of practical effects for older movies that I can think of second to The Thing. I wish I could put it into better word, but it's just so REAL and SO GOOD!
Try turning on the TV in the middle of the night, with all the lights off, and it's right when the face-melting scene happens. That happened to me once, and I didn't sleep for the rest of the night. (shudders) 😖
Lol Stathis isn't a scumbag. He may be ripe with jealousy, but if you think about it, he's actually a decent guy. He does everything possible to help Ronnie: comforting her after she discovered she was pregnant, finding an abortion clinic for her, then pulling strings to get it done, AND managing to rescue her from Seth even after his hand and foot were melted off by fly vomit. Stathis was the real hero there lol
The Fly II was almost entirely filmed 2 blocks away from my home at the time. All the "interiors" (Bartok Industries) filmed at Bridge Studios (then known as B.C. Film Center Studios) in Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada (next door to Vancouver) The "exteriors" (Bartok Industries) further away as mentioned at Simon Fraser University, also in Burnaby. I remember passing by hoping to see any actors. I had seen actress Daphne Zuniga outside smoking & Eric Stoltz walked by her saying "smoking again?"
I really liked this movie, watched all the time when I was a kid in the early 90s. There was less star power than the original but the 3rd act of the movie with the Fly creature was amazing, the best monster in the pre-CGI era.
I saw both the original (remake) and part 2 in theaters as a teen. The Fly is an unquestionable masterpiece with no equal, but part two isn't the dumpster fire most make it out to be. Definitely worth a look if you're into gory B-movies.
That melting face has to be one of the most powerful examples of practical effects. It makes you feel like laughing, but is so horrible that it makes you feel sick. CGI only makes you laugh or facepalm.
Tim Lepo god i miss practical effects like this. cgi could never replicate such a disturbing scene like this. doesn't help when the poor guy is still trying to breathe while on the ground twitching.
+Tim Lepo Agreed, practical effects can have a visceral effect on the audience in a way CG can never achieve. They may be imitating something but they are real, your brain knows there's something there that could be touched.
This was a nice continuation of the first film, kept the same dark tones and gore, and was nice to see the son taking over and trying to get those machines to work.
I love this movie and the original! Nice to hear somebody say good things about it. It's not as good as the first one but I like the story a bit more, and that ending with bad guy becoming a fucked up monster man is one of the most satisfying villains endings I can think of.
I was based on the outskirts of London when this came out, was lucky to get to see a midnight double bill of The Fly and this film a week before its general release. The ending, with Bartok messed up living in the pit, got the biggest cheer I've ever heard in a cinema, even to this day; the perfect comeuppance, which everyone agreed with.
There are some pretty horrific scenes that will fuck up your childhood for life in this movie: - needle braking in a vein (when he was getting those shots) - hunchback dog and his suffering - guy with face and hands melted, but still was breathing and alive although his skull was practically open - that other guy's head exploding by the pressure of an elevator coming down on him
I remember seeing this when it first came out, I cried with the dog scene. All these years later....you made me remember, so I cried again. I have a soul!
I actually liked this sequel better than the first one. This one had an emotional resonance that I feel the Fly never really had. Jeff Goldblum's character was a complete nutter, while his son easily invoked sympathy and audiences' support, even when he murdered the scientists and guards. Hell, they could have made the scientists and guards less cruel and I still would have supported Eric Stoltz's character's murder spree.
I love this movie, very underated! The first time I saw it, is when I was seven at a friend's Birthday party. His name was Marnell and he was from the Philippines and the two of us were big into horror movies (phrophorobly A Nightmare on Elm Street). We watched it after all the other kids had left; I thought his parents were the coolest in the world for letting us watch it - great moment in my life.
My uncle was first or maybe second assistant director on this movie and I was so excited to see it when it came out. When I was 8. Holy crap, it haunts me still when I think of it, I’ve only been able to finally rewatch it again in the past couple of years.
I saw Fly 2 on the movie theater when I was 19 and those dog scenes mess with my mind during years, I still can watch this film anymore. This is the first time I'm watching something about this film in more than 30 years
@@wireboar7321 I know your comment was a year ago, n you probably know by now, but he said that to his girlfriend in the motel before he cocooned himself on the sofa after she made the remark to him that he was getting worse. I seem to remember that he took his eye out, or something, aswel just before he said that, and started laughing while she left the room in fear.
5:33 just in horror movies? That's one of the saddest things i've ever seen in any movie. It's very rare for me to start sobbing uncontrolably over any form of media. But that scene managed to completely break me.
My mom and I watched this when I was a kid and I couldn't stop crying about the dog. She had to pause the movie and explain that it wasn't real and no animal got hurt. I remember this movie and punpkinhead really making me cry as a little kid.
"Eric Stoltz finally got to play Martin McFly." - Fatal Wreck That is freaking hilarious comment :-) I am almost 100% agree with what you said, especially about that dog. I have never been so impacted by what happens to an animal as in this movie. ANY MOVIE. For it to be a sequel to a remake that is just completely insane. Great job reviewing.
They Fly 2 is maybe one of the best under rated movies ever. Could you do a review of the 1982 movie Madman? It isn't as well known as it should be and I hope that maybe you could help it out.
That dog is still one of the saddest things I've seen a movie, I watched it pretty young too and it fucked my head up then and it still gets to me now (twenty years later) :-(
The whole animal over human things comes from that domesticated animals are usually cute/helpless/trusting and completely innocent so they put that in knowing that to make it fuck with you more.
I never realized that Bartok is played by the same actor from Exorcist 3 that, when asked by Father Dyer if he had a favorite film, responds, “The Fly.”
This is a rare instance where the sequel surpasses the original. The Scoreby christopher young with those hellraiseresque type of themes are some of the darkest operatic and melancholy orchestral music ever written . Plus the tear jerking dog scene and the chemistry between the actors portraying good and bad is very beleivable.
It's a perfectly decent creature feature with a bit more to it than I would have expected. Great effects. It's just so inferior to the original that it seems worse than it really is.
Your analysis is spot on. This is a fun, 80's horror flick. I think the reason that this movie got some hate was because it didn't have the ultra dark tone of the first. It wasn't trying to do that and I loved it for being its own animal (or insect). Unlike the downer ending of the original, THE FLY 2 pushes the buttons of satisfaction, as poetic justice is served throughout the final act. Sure it was a first time director, but Stoltz and Zuniga were great, the makeup effects were awesome, and the music was fantastic. On top of all of that, the well paced script was written by some amazing writers - Frank Darabont (WALKING DEAD, SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION, THE GREEN MILE), the Wheat brothers (PITCH BLACK), and Mick Garris (Amazing Stories).
This is a great review - thanks for mentioning the creature crew: I worked with Jim Issac on his last film, many of the folks on our crew were Fly veterans. The best in the industry. They had some fun stories.
If no one cries when that poor dog is put out of it's misery lovingly by Martin, you don't have a soul OR a heart. I love that Martin, even in his fly form, still took the time out his day to be kind to the dog who was sent after Martin by a bunch of cowards.
I agree with your objective approach to these old films. I think I share a sensibility and a critical appreciation for them similar to yourself. The thing is, I see so little similarity between what I like about the old stuff and what's appealing about the new stuff. I struggle with a huge generational disconnect, the likes of which have never existed before. I'm waiting for the creator who can bridge that divide properly to satisfy me. I write. I'm getting older and wiser. Perhaps that creator will me me, or you. Cheers, keep it up.
This was one of my favs since it was on a VHS tape I had with 2 other movies on it.(if u set your VCR at SLP u could get 3 movies on one tape.Those were the days).So I watched it all the time.I still have trouble watching those dog scenes.It was a really good story.Cool flick!
You know thats a pretty good touch. Not attacking the security dog but petting it. Shows that like his father he still had his mind. He is just really really REALLY pissed off.
AMAZING REVIEW. Subbed. That shot at 9:28 with the door shutting is pitch perfect! Possibly the best sequence I've seen in a non-cgi film to show the strength of a monster. Wow. Just... wow! And I love how he pats the dog just before! Naaawwww... back when even the [apparently shit] sequels had soul & spirit. :) I might check this out.
Payback Endings are the best, it feels good to see an antagonist get what he / she deserves. Bartok definitely deserved this gruesome outcome for various reasons. 😤
People often say that the Fly remake and its sequels are better than the one with Vincent Pryce and onwards. For me, the two series can't really be compared. They are both great in their own way. You did a great job of reviewing this movie. The dog scenes always gets me :( But I still like this movie and the prequel.
I watched 30 seconds of this, went and watched Fly 2 then came back :c) I just realized as you said it, the the Fly creature, was so .. inhuman and WELL DONE, that even in 2018, I 100% accepted it AS ERIC STOLTZ (like, he was in there, even though I now realize it impossible) and not as an 'effect', . WOW. Now that is good filmmaking..
The dog scene broke me. Even with all the pain, it still wagged its tail happily when he saw Martin. At least the dog got to spend its last moments with the only one who cared for him. I still wish Martin found a cure for it in the end.
Man,if he did,the impact probably would not be the same for an horror film,also he probably would suffer more if he searched long enough for a cure,with him dying in the process of wainting.
I figure with that much genetic damage to the dog, it would be impossible to fix. It would be inhumane to try to fix what it was currently suffering with in that moment, depending on how long.
Alternate ending: "How do you feel?''..."Pretty fly for a white guy..."
Ha ha ha ha ha
Eric Stoltz finally got to play Martin McFly.
great comment. most people probably don't know that hes the original Marty McFly. plus him being named Martin in this n turning into a fly is perfect
I heard about his scenes in Back to the Future. I hope they release a cut of the film with him some day.
Oh I see what you did there.
just got this yesterday
phaha win ! :P
To this day, the dog scenes remain the saddest and most disturbing thing I ever saw as a kid. Even as an adult, that scene with the dog howling and crawling to his bowl rips my heart out. Poor dog. It's true: If that scene didn't break your heart, you have no soul. Lol
Yes..... That scene literally tore my Soul into tiny aching shreds..... It was so sad.....
@bUH sNUH Yeap
Good job then you didn't see the monkey/cat scene which never made it in the original movie...
Probably the first movie scene, that made me cry.
Agree
"He can't sleep, he never sleeps; He has sex for the first time: Zzzzzzzz..." classic.
As the Shake Weight said on South Park.."Now entering sleep mode, here is some cab fare" *dispenses change* LOL
Bert Turbaville I have a theory. He was in a penultimate phase of metamorphosis and was expending energy to begin. So sex first time was a heavy energy splurge for the guy. Kid? He is 5 after all
Pedo Power!
On my channel, I have the love scene from the movie.
*weird innuendo face
Eric Stoltz would have made a great Peter Parker
That is a great observation!
Him, Michael J. Fox, Jason Bateman or John Cusack would’ve been an AWESOME 80s Spider-Man
The whole business with the dog burned itself into my memory. Even 27 years later, it is one of the few scenes which truly breaks my heart. Also, Eric Stoltz is a totally underrated actor.
Agreed. 🐶🥺
He was fired from Back to the future after a few shoots because he just didn't fit the part of Marty McFly.
Yes he is.
Alternative original ending:
Beth: How do you feel?
Martin, looking at Beth, grinning and winks: I'm buzzin'
"I have yet to see CGI capture this kind of emotion."
Exactly. Which is why The Thing still packs a visceral punch to this day and the 'prequel' recently released doesn't even generate a minor flutter in my stomach when I see the CGI in it.
guibox3 the shame is they shot the Thing prequel with all practical effects and they looked amazing. One of the producers didn't like them so he insisted they go back and do them all CGI. So there exists two versions of the film, one with practical effects and one with CGI. Unfortunately, the studio refuses to release the original, non CGI version.
GoodBadFlicks
Actually, I was going to mention that. I saw the two headed creature crawling in CGI and it did NOTHING for me. Then I saw a 'behind the scenes' where they had the same thing, but with an animatronic robot, and immediately my gut clenched and I felt fear and revulsion. I haven't seen the full movie, just bits and pieces, but I won't even bother unless they release the version with the make up and puppetry.
Blah, blah, all CGI sucks, blah, blah, blah, all practical effects are godlike. I am so tired of this "argument". Not all CGI is good, and a lot of practical effects aren't convincing.
I dont agree. The THING prequel looks really good. And its a good movie too. Yes, it was strange to use only CGI, when there where practical effects. I think best effects are CGI + practical. Not just only one.
@Cyberdemon Mike No bro. Re-adjust your thinking.
"Stay out of my sector! You no longer have clearance."
Why is this not a meme???
I don’t know make it one
MGTOWS would love it.
Luckily the film is not mainstream enough to be noticed by the meme and Tik tok crowds.
Seriously though The Fly 2 suffers solely from being a sequel to a masterpiece first film. The movie in of itself is very good but the original is just so iconic it's hard to watch it without thinking about its predecessor. Kinda like Psycho 2 or Rocky 2.
And 2010.
Wasim Saleem Yes, yes. Agree with you 100% there!
Agreed, movies should be judged on how good they are, not how they compare to their predecessor.
+poontang3zizo or the Star Wars prequels.
JackBauer137 yeah the first Rocky wasn’t all that great to me either.
9:38 Security guys face he melted is like, "I was just doin my joooooooob. Joooooob!"
Put the "I'm melting" line over that. Go on, I dare him.
This movie is brutal!The birth,The poor dog,the deaths, the villain's end...Everytyhing is disturbing.
It wouldn't be a fly movie if it wasn't disturbing!
4:26 nothing is more inspiring than looking at a picture of Jeff Goldblum.
I like it how we get to see a recording video of seth brundle it connects the sequel nicely to david cronenberg's classic!
The Fly 2 is probably the only film I've seen so far that had me bursting out crying on the infamous dog scenes and still gives me a huge lump in my throat every time I watch those scenes.
+Yeth both (YethBothONE) Exactly. I remember how much I cried after that scene. Had to stop the movie for like 10 minutes. Said to myself that I am not going to watch this movie ever again because of this scene, haha ;)
+Yeth both (YethBothONE) Does that explain why later on even after he's become all fly, that when another dog enters the lab he stops and acts gentle with it, even petting and hugging it later before resuming his rampage?
The dog didn't actually die.
Yethboth's British Gaming You people deserve to experience real suffering since you seem to be living in some ivory tower lala land.
@@colinecollard533 eesh. Take it easy there pal.
The guy stole my wife, disolved my hand and leg with fly vomit....I had no love for the man......he bugged me.....hahahaha. I really like the fly 2. Agreed it is underrated. Some very inventive gore shots and the puppetry was first class
The Dog "What the hell am i supposed to do with this?"
That sir is your finest joke. Love it.
I agree the ending in the film was perfect. Not only did he get what was coming to him, but the film ended the same way all this craziness began: with a fly.
If you're happy with the man's suffering, you're no better than him
Such an awesome sequel, that dog scene will always get me
Horrifyingly Hillarious It always got to me to, especially being a dog person. Heck, I kind of avoided this flick after I first saw it mainly because what they did to the poor pup, and the euthanasia scene. Same reason I almost avoided watching this review. Did enjoy the Frank Darabont meme, "I feed off your tears." Kind of blunted the shock.
Later on, kills humans, pets doggo
Hollywood pulling heart strings.
Horrifyingly Hillarious as a jojo bizarre fan, I’ve partial got used to dog deaths but they still get to me
So, tortured humans are acceptable whereas tortured dogs are unacceptable. You lot are effed up in the mind.
"I had no love for the man!" is a pretty mild way of talking about the guy who vomited your hand and foot off to be fair.
my humanity cost me an arm and a leg
I agree that the sequel deserves a lot more credit. As with the 1986 remake, I wish it were longer and not so rushed through. The scenes that got me the most were actually not so much with the dog, but with Martin's birth (poor Ronnie); Martin's discovery of his origins; etc. I love how that, unlike Seth Brundle, he was able to retain just enough of his humanity to not harm either the guard dog or Beth. That scene where the creature is looking at her, you can see he's trying to communicate with her - but he isn't capable and when he walks away, you could imagine his despair at frightening Beth and not being able to comfort her. Plus, also, I really feel for Stathis in this one. Although he started out as a jerk in the last film, he ended up a hero and having to witness the love of his life die from giving birth to a mutant (lets be honest, Martin IS a mutant), not a human being - it would be a shock if it didn't traumatize him. In fact, in the script, after Ronnie died, Bartok gave Stathis hush money to not speak of the experience to anyone. After all the stuff he went through, it is really not surprising he became a bitter drunk. But even despite that, and probably because he knew Ronnie was a part of Martin, he decided to help him. I do think its super insanely disgusting and creepy that Martin is essentially hitting a woman who is 18-25 years older than him and Beth is no better - she is in lust with a 5 year old.... = Calling every known law enforcement agency in the known universe as well as Chris Hansen! Gross!
EmilyGreene1984 all good points!
Mojo El Diablo ... which would only matter to the heterosexual horny males in the audience who are incapable of looking up porn. :P
strontiumXnitrate ... so what? I don't care. :P
"Bartok's been lying to Martin, telling him the reason that he's there is because he suffers from a rare growth disorder that he contracted because of his father"
I mean, he's technically not lying
"From a certain point of view." Grin. Disney and the SJWs won't have anything as iconic and memorable as that. Good, they don't deserve any legacy but disdain for raping Star Wars in a ditch. :/
The-Trustees Jesus fucking christ stop bringing politics into EVERYTHING
@@darthgriffin7741 He went completely sideways so fast. Just hilarious.
Nekro exactly, I think it’s impossible for some right wingers to go 5 seconds without bitching about the SJWs.
The-Trustees
‘SJW’
The phantom every sociopath sees in his soup...
Not going to lie : I was working at a juice bar in California in a relatively affluent area and one day Eric Stoltz came walking in ordered a drink from me .., when i handed him the drink , for some reason , even though I loved Pulp Fiction at the time , I said :" I loved you in the Fly 2 " :)
Oh, that is awesome! :D
What was his response?!
The most powerful moment in the revenge dish served cold to Bartok was when he crawled over to his gruel dish and in his gruel was a FLY that he stared at in shock! That was the most important scene! I am kind of surprised that you missed that detail, but great video regardless. :D
Ues he did miss that part 👍
The scenes with the dog hit me in the heart strings. I love dogs and that was just horrifying. Poor thing didn't deserve that.
That whole scene is done so well. So sad.
didn't you find the scene with the dog sadder than with the protagonist at the end of the 1986 movie the fly? the life and well-being of a person is more important and valuable than that of a dog, but the dog had no choice with what happened with it, whereas with what happened with that guy in that other movie, he did it to himself, and he already knew there would be risks before he did it.
You'd love The Thing then......
I feel ya bro, I saw this when I was about 13 that shit messed me up since I love my dog lol
Dude, I HATE dogs and that scene got to me!
who said this was crap, The Fly 2 was brilliant
I couldn't watch this for a few years after it was in theaters because I'd seen the kitten in a movie review on tv. Someone told me the kitty was okay, but they didn't warn me about the dog. I'm more a cat person, but the dog made me cry.
Raven Jenkins I'm way more of a cat person myself but I like pretty much all animals.
The dog scene in this movie crushes my heart! And the futurama episode "Jurassic Bark" does the same (leaving me emotionally destroyed).
A highly underrated film. Brilliantly made.
Fun Fact:
The actress who replaced Geena Davis
in *"THE FLY II"* was none other than
Saffron Henderson who'll later played
J. J. Jarrett, the rock-star wannabe
who gets killed by Jason Voorhees with
her guitar in *"FRIDAY THE 13TH Part*
*VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan"* (1989).
Saffron was also the English voice
for Kid Goku & Kid Gohan in
*"Dragon Ball"* & *"Dragon Ball Z",*
the first voice for Kagome's kid
brother Sōta & Kagome's classmate
Eri in *"Inuyasha"* (2000-2004)
and the first two installments of its
four-part film series (2001-2004):
*"Affections Touching Across Time"*
& *"The Castle Beyond the Looking*
*Glass",* and Callisto, the leader of
The Morlocks in *"X-MEN: Evolution".*
One of my favorite dub voices!
Eric Stolts finally got to play Marty Mc Fly
hahah, nice.
:o
Ba dum tish
This comment is still being stolen, over four years later.
Awesome
I remember when I first watched this as a kid that I cried my eyes out at the dog scene. One of the only scenes in a film to ever do that.
9:45 See, right there. That eye twitch shows perfectly that the guy is piss-pants terrified, but still has a job to do. God I love little details like that! I miss back when directors would actually let a shot linger instead of cutting every half second!
+Amelia Bee Watching something like the original Die Hard vs Die Hard 5. The original has long shots and cuts when needed. 5 is jiggling the camera and cutting constantly to the point of where you can't tell what is going on.
+GoodBadFlicks Exactly. It's like they think we'll lose interest if they don't flash to a new angle or scene every half-second. If this film were to be made today, that wonderful, atmospheric eye-twitch scene would have probably never happened.
+Amelia Bee I've seen you before... Were you on GMM?
+Ladondorf C.A. - Stop Motion Films GMM...? Uhhh...maybe? I comment on a lot of stuff, I'm everywhere, apparently. :p
Yeah, the comment I saw you on had a reply that said that you're everywhere. XD
Coincidentally, I watched both The Fly and The Fly II late at night on television, roughly 3ish months apart from each other (I was about 13 years old and was taking full advantage of having a TV in my room).
The Fly is my favourite monster/horror film and The Fly II is, while flawed, a solid movie in its own right. To this day, I tell everyone who'll listen that MartinFly's creature effects are some of the best I've seen.
I've heard rumours of another Fly remake in the works and I'm cautiously optimistic. If anything it'll give me a reason to make my friends watch the 80s Fly movies.
Your absolutely right, the fly 2 was flawed but still good 👍.
That dog scene was really sad
I had a similar dog, cried myself to sleep that night.
Eman Lop edgy
it made the revenge scene so much better
That’s why everyone I speak to is always so reluctant in watching the movie again. Understandable, if you think about it. I like the movie, at least, despite that major tearjerker.
Too bad they couldn't have found a way to reconstitute the dog. Maybe the Security Guard?
9:40 There's just something about seeing a skelefied face yelling in agony, so horrifying and yet fucking awesome. Like, you can see the jaws open wider to let out a scream that would even make death himself shutter.
They Fly is one of my all time favorites, but I didn't finish this one. The mutated dog bummed me out way too much. I was in the mood for a goretastic vomit fest, and instead I got a punch in the soul. It does make the end one of the best revenge moments ever, though. I should have stuck with it.
I don't remember this, but my mother tells me that The Fly was my favorite movie when I was 4. Idk how I saw it, maybe my parents were watching it, but apparently I freaking loved it and gleefully told several people all about the grossest parts of the movie. Then I watched all 3 Exorcists in one night when I was 11 to prove to my dad I wasn't scared of horror movies. No wonder I'm so messed up lol. I didn't even know this movie existed. I feel compelled to watch it.
The shining for me, dunno why but I loved it. Watcher in the woods freaked me right out tho. I Dtill don't understand how shining was a fun watch for me but a Disney film gave me nightmares for days lol
Serves Bartok right for what he did to the poor Golden Retriever.
No, not really. He should be put in prison. Cruelty to animals laws exist for a reason.
@Derek Powers Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Man, that Face Melt scene is one of the best examples of practical effects for older movies that I can think of second to The Thing. I wish I could put it into better word, but it's just so REAL and SO GOOD!
Try turning on the TV in the middle of the night, with all the lights off, and it's right when the face-melting scene happens. That happened to me once, and I didn't sleep for the rest of the night. (shudders) 😖
Jesus! Yeah, same thing happened to me, except at the very end, I was like "What the fuck is this?? Ahh!!" lol
Lol Stathis isn't a scumbag. He may be ripe with jealousy, but if you think about it, he's actually a decent guy. He does everything possible to help Ronnie: comforting her after she discovered she was pregnant, finding an abortion clinic for her, then pulling strings to get it done, AND managing to rescue her from Seth even after his hand and foot were melted off by fly vomit. Stathis was the real hero there lol
I love practical effects, I wish they were used more today.
The Fly II was almost entirely filmed 2 blocks away from my home at the time. All the "interiors" (Bartok Industries) filmed at Bridge Studios (then known as B.C. Film Center Studios) in Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada (next door to Vancouver) The "exteriors" (Bartok Industries) further away as mentioned at Simon Fraser University, also in Burnaby. I remember passing by hoping to see any actors. I had seen actress Daphne Zuniga outside smoking & Eric Stoltz walked by her saying "smoking again?"
i love that the main character finds a way to live, for the most part cure himself,and the villains get what's coming to them.
The dog ;(((
NOT THE DOG!
:'( cry!
The death of the dog in I Am Legend upset me the most.
u have a dog pic, what a surprise
I really liked this movie, watched all the time when I was a kid in the early 90s.
There was less star power than the original but the 3rd act of the movie with the Fly creature was amazing, the best monster in the pre-CGI era.
I saw both the original (remake) and part 2 in theaters as a teen. The Fly is an unquestionable masterpiece with no equal, but part two isn't the dumpster fire most make it out to be. Definitely worth a look if you're into gory B-movies.
That melting face has to be one of the most powerful examples of practical effects. It makes you feel like laughing, but is so horrible that it makes you feel sick. CGI only makes you laugh or facepalm.
Tim Lepo god i miss practical effects like this. cgi could never replicate such a disturbing scene like this. doesn't help when the poor guy is still trying to breathe while on the ground twitching.
+Tim Lepo It was really effective!
+Tim Lepo Agreed, practical effects can have a visceral effect on the audience in a way CG can never achieve. They may be imitating something but they are real, your brain knows there's something there that could be touched.
+Drone Legion agree!
Tim Lepo Take your confederate icon and stuff it up your butt Timmy the racist!
This video is never not rewatchable
So stoked you're still pumping out great stuff to this day!
This was a nice continuation of the first film, kept the same dark tones and gore, and was nice to see the son taking over and trying to get those machines to work.
The 'Circle Of Life' bit was perfectly justified since Disney now owns Fox.
I love this movie and the original! Nice to hear somebody say good things about it. It's not as good as the first one but I like the story a bit more, and that ending with bad guy becoming a fucked up monster man is one of the most satisfying villains endings I can think of.
I was based on the outskirts of London when this came out, was lucky to get to see a midnight double bill of The Fly and this film a week before its general release. The ending, with Bartok messed up living in the pit, got the biggest cheer I've ever heard in a cinema, even to this day; the perfect comeuppance, which everyone agreed with.
That face melting scene always makes me cringe!
Wait I just got to *throws up*
Yeah, the poor guy was innocent and has a family.
Robocop: Hold my apple sauce.
@@Clay3613 - He was only 3 days from retirement :-/
But it's awesome looking.
Man, that dog scene, makes me cry to this day, but the bad guy payoff, ALWAYS makes me smile, nothing like seeing a villain get their comeuppance
That part with the dog, made me cry so much... Ffs.. Lol
There are some pretty horrific scenes that will fuck up your childhood for life in this movie:
- needle braking in a vein (when he was getting those shots)
- hunchback dog and his suffering
- guy with face and hands melted, but still was breathing and alive although his skull was practically open
- that other guy's head exploding by the pressure of an elevator coming down on him
I watched that movie when I was 13. Still haunted by the dog scene. Thanks for the review, great memories.
Khalil Klouche Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it
Same
I remember seeing this when it first came out, I cried with the dog scene. All these years later....you made me remember, so I cried again. I have a soul!
I actually liked this sequel better than the first one. This one had an emotional resonance that I feel the Fly never really had. Jeff Goldblum's character was a complete nutter, while his son easily invoked sympathy and audiences' support, even when he murdered the scientists and guards. Hell, they could have made the scientists and guards less cruel and I still would have supported Eric Stoltz's character's murder spree.
I love this movie, very underated! The first time I saw it, is when I was seven at a friend's Birthday party. His name was Marnell and he was from the Philippines and the two of us were big into horror movies (phrophorobly A Nightmare on Elm Street). We watched it after all the other kids had left; I thought his parents were the coolest in the world for letting us watch it - great moment in my life.
Imho the film suffers most from its lighting and shot choices. Script and performances aside, it looks and feels like a tv movie.
My uncle was first or maybe second assistant director on this movie and I was so excited to see it when it came out. When I was 8. Holy crap, it haunts me still when I think of it, I’ve only been able to finally rewatch it again in the past couple of years.
9:55 Daphne Zuniga's scream was epic.
I saw Fly 2 on the movie theater when I was 19 and those dog scenes mess with my mind during years, I still can watch this film anymore. This is the first time I'm watching something about this film in more than 30 years
All I remember of this movie is the so-sad dog scene and the line "I'm getting BETTER!"
wait, how? wasn't that ending left out, or was played on tv or some theaters?
@@wireboar7321 I know your comment was a year ago, n you probably know by now, but he said that to his girlfriend in the motel before he cocooned himself on the sofa after she made the remark to him that he was getting worse. I seem to remember that he took his eye out, or something, aswel just before he said that, and started laughing while she left the room in fear.
5:33 just in horror movies?
That's one of the saddest things i've ever seen in any movie. It's very rare for me to start sobbing uncontrolably over any form of media. But that scene managed to completely break me.
lol Beth was the one getting the “good dickin’” technically.
My mom and I watched this when I was a kid and I couldn't stop crying about the dog. She had to pause the movie and explain that it wasn't real and no animal got hurt. I remember this movie and punpkinhead really making me cry as a little kid.
Martin 5 years old, girl 25?
That's not questionable at all.
"Eric Stoltz finally got to play Martin McFly." - Fatal Wreck That is freaking hilarious comment :-)
I am almost 100% agree with what you said, especially about that dog. I have never been so impacted by what happens to an animal as in this movie. ANY MOVIE. For it to be a sequel to a remake that is just completely insane. Great job reviewing.
They Fly 2 is maybe one of the best under rated movies ever.
Could you do a review of the 1982 movie Madman? It isn't as well known as it should be and I hope that maybe you could help it out.
Michael Wolfe Hell yeah! Madman is on the list
GoodBadFlicks Good to know. Can't wait to see the review. :)
That dog is still one of the saddest things I've seen a movie, I watched it pretty young too and it fucked my head up then and it still gets to me now (twenty years later) :-(
The whole animal over human things comes from that domesticated animals are usually cute/helpless/trusting and completely innocent so they put that in knowing that to make it fuck with you more.
I never realized that Bartok is played by the same actor from Exorcist 3 that, when asked by Father Dyer if he had a favorite film, responds, “The Fly.”
"I have yet to see cgi have this type of emotion" i think you forgot I am legend
This is a rare instance where the sequel surpasses the original. The Scoreby christopher young with those hellraiseresque type of themes are some of the darkest operatic and melancholy orchestral music ever written . Plus the tear jerking dog scene and the chemistry between the actors portraying good and bad is very beleivable.
It's a perfectly decent creature feature with a bit more to it than I would have expected. Great effects. It's just so inferior to the original that it seems worse than it really is.
Your analysis is spot on. This is a fun, 80's horror flick. I think the reason that this movie got some hate was because it didn't have the ultra dark tone of the first. It wasn't trying to do that and I loved it for being its own animal (or insect). Unlike the downer ending of the original, THE FLY 2 pushes the buttons of satisfaction, as poetic justice is served throughout the final act. Sure it was a first time director, but Stoltz and Zuniga were great, the makeup effects were awesome, and the music was fantastic. On top of all of that, the well paced script was written by some amazing writers - Frank Darabont (WALKING DEAD, SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION, THE GREEN MILE), the Wheat brothers (PITCH BLACK), and Mick Garris (Amazing Stories).
The Fly 2: Fly Harder.
Fly 2 : Fly hard with a vengeance
This is a great review - thanks for mentioning the creature crew: I worked with Jim Issac on his last film, many of the folks on our crew were Fly veterans. The best in the industry. They had some fun stories.
Just discovered your reviews, keep up the phenomenal work
Thank you!
Same here, just subscribed. Good stuff ;)
One of the nest movie reviews/reviewer I have seen/heard. Well edited. On point commentary w/o any hoopla or gimmicks. Well done!
wait a second, a good sequal and remake, we'll never see something like this again
another remake is in the way btw
I do not know how I’ve never seen this page. This content is GOLD 💪🏾 keep it up
Thanks!
I like the ending shot of that fly on his food bowl. As if to say all of this started because of a simple damned house fly.
The effects in these movies are amazing! I wish monsters were like this today
"Stay out of my sector! You no longer have clearance!"
BURN
If no one cries when that poor dog is put out of it's misery lovingly by Martin, you don't have a soul OR a heart. I love that Martin, even in his fly form, still took the time out his day to be kind to the dog who was sent after Martin by a bunch of cowards.
I’d repressed the memory of that dog… Thanks sooooo much for un-repressing it...
Same here, I had forgotten all about that arc in the story.... R.I.P. Little doge! 😰
I agree with your objective approach to these old films. I think I share a sensibility and a critical appreciation for them similar to yourself. The thing is, I see so little similarity between what I like about the old stuff and what's appealing about the new stuff. I struggle with a huge generational disconnect, the likes of which have never existed before. I'm waiting for the creator who can bridge that divide properly to satisfy me. I write. I'm getting older and wiser. Perhaps that creator will me me, or you. Cheers, keep it up.
That dog man...that poor poor dog...
I know sad as shit.
i always hated that part
This was one of my favs since it was on a VHS tape I had with 2 other movies on it.(if u set your VCR at SLP u could get 3 movies on one tape.Those were the days).So I watched it all the time.I still have trouble watching those dog scenes.It was a really good story.Cool flick!
8:08 It's nice to know Byers had a job as a scientist before he joined The Lone Gunmen.
You know thats a pretty good touch. Not attacking the security dog but petting it. Shows that like his father he still had his mind. He is just really really REALLY pissed off.
AMAZING REVIEW. Subbed. That shot at 9:28 with the door shutting is pitch perfect! Possibly the best sequence I've seen in a non-cgi film to show the strength of a monster. Wow. Just... wow! And I love how he pats the dog just before! Naaawwww... back when even the [apparently shit] sequels had soul & spirit. :)
I might check this out.
Payback Endings are the best, it feels good to see an antagonist get what he / she deserves.
Bartok definitely deserved this gruesome outcome for various reasons. 😤
People often say that the Fly remake and its sequels are better than the one with Vincent Pryce and onwards.
For me, the two series can't really be compared. They are both great in their own way.
You did a great job of reviewing this movie. The dog scenes always gets me :( But I still like this movie and the prequel.
each good in their own ways
I watched 30 seconds of this, went and watched Fly 2 then came back :c) I just realized as you said it, the the Fly creature, was so .. inhuman and WELL DONE, that even in 2018, I 100% accepted it AS ERIC STOLTZ (like, he was in there, even though I now realize it impossible) and not as an 'effect', . WOW. Now that is good filmmaking..