I am a huge train horn fan, and this is a great video! Just a couple things, all those UP engines in the K3L clips were actually K3LA/HAs. They can sound similar but are different from K3Ls. Most of those were Narrow Font horns made in the 2000s, which are known for having flat 4A bells which can make K3LAs sound like K3Ls The Flat 4A K5LAs are also 2000s NF K5LAs. The only one in there that was actually a K3L was the BNSF Dash 9. Also, the whole K5LAR23/24 thing, most K5LAs are R24s. R23s are less common, and many K5LAs are still made R24 today. Now, with K5HLAs and Bs, not all are hybrids. Regular K5HLAs are just the bells of a K5LLA but on a high manifold. Hybrid K5HLAs can also be Hybrid K5LLAs if they are on a low manifold. Hybrid K5HLA/LLAs can either have the 3 replaced with 3A, or the 4 replaced with 4A. Finally, 4001 is not a K5LLE. It is a Hybrid K5LLA, with the 1L, 1, 2, 3A and 4 bells, similar to NS 8101 but on a low manifold. It is also not meant to sound like an RS5T, Nathan never planned for that, and in many cases that type of Hybrid actually sounds like an Old Cast P5. The K5HLB/LLB, sometimes called the LLE, is the one that sounds like an RS5T, since it has all the same notes as one except for one bell being off.
Thanks for this intensive correction. I’m really a novice when it comes to horns, so I appreciate hearing from people who know more than me and can share their knowledge. Have a blessed day, my friend. :)
As always, thank you guys so much for watching. This took over a month to make, so I sincerely appreciate your viewership. Comment below any questions, concerns, or what you think the next TrainTalk should be. Until then, God bless. :) Sources: locomotive.fandom.com/wiki/Nathan_AirChime_K-series_Air_Horns hornblasters.com/pages/nathan-airchime-train-horns locomotivehorns.info/leslie/supertyfon.shtml trainweb.org/mdamtrak199/horns/phorn.html trainweb.org/mdamtrak199/PSeries.htm trainweb.org/mdamtrak199/horns/khorn.html lesliecontrols.com/Products/airwhistles.htm soundtraxx.com/reference/locomotive-airhorn-history/ nathanairchime.com/#about atsf.railfan.net/airhorns/index.html airhornsbygrover.com/diagram-air-horn/ www.wikiwand.com/en/Air_horn
Great video! I’ll add on some information that I know: - The “P” series was created by “Nathan AirChime,” the USA subsidiary of AirChime at the time. P stands for “President’s Whistle” and was offered as a low maintenance alternative to the M series offered at the time. The P series also is EXTREMELY efficient on air usage due to it’s design. I have a Single Tone P2 horn, which uses such little air that you can hear the tail when you let off the air valve. - Nathan K bells have 6 castings that are produced, but the various frequencies of each bell is produced by boring out the throat of the horn. There are way more than 10 frequencies of K bells out there. There’s the Sandcast 3L and 2L bells used for marine use (EXTREMELY Rare). There’s Sandcast 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 bells produced by Holden (Canadian Manufacturer). In terms of Diecast bells made by Nathan Airchime, there’s the 1L (Both Sandcast and Diecast), 1, 2, 3A, 3B, 3, 4A, 4, and 5. There’s bells specifically for the Australian market; KSP1, KSP2, KSP3 (Standard #2 bell), and KSP5. The Australian bell’s mimic P bells and are used an the K-5-UL-AU-LS. There’s also Sandcast Hyson AirChime bells for the British market; KS-1, KS-2, through 5. There are so many bell types that have been produced that it’s difficult to keep track of all of them (Not the mention the bell types collectors have made). - During the production of the Sandcast K3Ls, AirChime offered the J3 as an alternative for snowplows. It was marketed with extremely low air usage and used a single diaphragm unlike the dual diaphragms in K bells. Despite these differences, both versions are compatible on the same manifold. - Nathan AirChime also produces the C series of horns for both single, two-tone British style horns, and a five chime marketed at the C5A-CWP. -Leslie Supertyfon horns started off with the S3J and S5D, which respectively mimicked the M3/P3 and M5/P5. This upset AirChime and a lawsuit took place, which caused Leslie to change their bells, resulting in the S3L and S5T. There’s so much more information I have, but it would be hard to put it all in one comment lol
There's even a generation I like to call the 2 1/2nd Gen K5HL, although it's more properly referred to as Early Raised Letter K5HL. These sound similar to the 2nd Gen K5HL, but with a minor difference in terms of notes.
How the hell has your channel not blowin' up man? Making some baller ass content over here and the algorithm's still asleep at the wheel. Seriously though, this is some real good stuff right here my guy 😎
Excellent video my friend, in recent months I have seen an increase in the number of railfans who enjoy horns, at least here in my country. The most common horns here in Brazil are Leslie, K3LA, K3LP and a national horn also called P3.
One thing you didn’t touch on is the K5LA hybrids that the cellar express train sets for Amtrak use. They somewhat sound like the K5 LA that other Amtrak trains use but sound a little bit higher pitched. They wanted the higher pitch because of the high speed that those trains hit.
Very good video! Nice to see more people going more in depth on horns! It does seem that even most RL K5LAs are R24, but there are still a good amount of R23s out there. SD70 series units are known horn killers lol. 4001 doesn't have a K5LLE, only NS 6333 does. 4001 has a RL Hybrid K5LLA, (1L 1 2 3A 4)
@@LocoPro its a horn collector a few years ago that told me that. He said that the P horn was for replacing the M serie wich was a pain in the a** to work on because the diagram for each bell were a different one. Also, they had to tune the horn after opening the bells. The P serie is much simpler, thin gasket, diaphragm, thick gasket ( second diaphragm for double diaphragm setup ) and the back cap. Its not an official information from Nathan Airchime but this was I was told.
@@mic8040 It seems that the meaning of P is both "President's Whistle" and "Preset Pitch." I saw a diagram on the hornwhistleforum stating that along with M horns standing for "Modulus," which is due to the modular design of M horns unlike the earlier Hexatone H5 and H6 horns, which were not made up of modular parts. Since P horns are designed in a way where no voicing is required, all they need is the diaphragm kit, rubber seat/spring, and backcap. No additional adjustments needed unlike the M horns.
0:09 broken ditchlight on the left and NS is my favorite railroad company
>Is a train a train without a choo choo?
No, and that is why American trains are the only real trains.
Facts. And that single tone euro shit does not count
14:47 “Nathan Is Simply Him” you are Nathan, Your name came from a train horn 😂
I am a huge train horn fan, and this is a great video! Just a couple things, all those UP engines in the K3L clips were actually K3LA/HAs. They can sound similar but are different from K3Ls. Most of those were Narrow Font horns made in the 2000s, which are known for having flat 4A bells which can make K3LAs sound like K3Ls The Flat 4A K5LAs are also 2000s NF K5LAs. The only one in there that was actually a K3L was the BNSF Dash 9. Also, the whole K5LAR23/24 thing, most K5LAs are R24s. R23s are less common, and many K5LAs are still made R24 today. Now, with K5HLAs and Bs, not all are hybrids. Regular K5HLAs are just the bells of a K5LLA but on a high manifold. Hybrid K5HLAs can also be Hybrid K5LLAs if they are on a low manifold. Hybrid K5HLA/LLAs can either have the 3 replaced with 3A, or the 4 replaced with 4A. Finally, 4001 is not a K5LLE. It is a Hybrid K5LLA, with the 1L, 1, 2, 3A and 4 bells, similar to NS 8101 but on a low manifold. It is also not meant to sound like an RS5T, Nathan never planned for that, and in many cases that type of Hybrid actually sounds like an Old Cast P5. The K5HLB/LLB, sometimes called the LLE, is the one that sounds like an RS5T, since it has all the same notes as one except for one bell being off.
Thanks for this intensive correction. I’m really a novice when it comes to horns, so I appreciate hearing from people who know more than me and can share their knowledge. Have a blessed day, my friend. :)
As always, thank you guys so much for watching. This took over a month to make, so I sincerely appreciate your viewership. Comment below any questions, concerns, or what you think the next TrainTalk should be. Until then, God bless. :)
Sources:
locomotive.fandom.com/wiki/Nathan_AirChime_K-series_Air_Horns
hornblasters.com/pages/nathan-airchime-train-horns
locomotivehorns.info/leslie/supertyfon.shtml
trainweb.org/mdamtrak199/horns/phorn.html
trainweb.org/mdamtrak199/PSeries.htm
trainweb.org/mdamtrak199/horns/khorn.html
lesliecontrols.com/Products/airwhistles.htm
soundtraxx.com/reference/locomotive-airhorn-history/
nathanairchime.com/#about
atsf.railfan.net/airhorns/index.html
airhornsbygrover.com/diagram-air-horn/
www.wikiwand.com/en/Air_horn
Great video! I’ll add on some information that I know:
- The “P” series was created by “Nathan AirChime,” the USA subsidiary of AirChime at the time. P stands for “President’s Whistle” and was offered as a low maintenance alternative to the M series offered at the time. The P series also is EXTREMELY efficient on air usage due to it’s design. I have a Single Tone P2 horn, which uses such little air that you can hear the tail when you let off the air valve.
- Nathan K bells have 6 castings that are produced, but the various frequencies of each bell is produced by boring out the throat of the horn. There are way more than 10 frequencies of K bells out there. There’s the Sandcast 3L and 2L bells used for marine use (EXTREMELY Rare). There’s Sandcast 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 bells produced by Holden (Canadian Manufacturer). In terms of Diecast bells made by Nathan Airchime, there’s the 1L (Both Sandcast and Diecast), 1, 2, 3A, 3B, 3, 4A, 4, and 5. There’s bells specifically for the Australian market; KSP1, KSP2, KSP3 (Standard #2 bell), and KSP5. The Australian bell’s mimic P bells and are used an the K-5-UL-AU-LS. There’s also Sandcast Hyson AirChime bells for the British market; KS-1, KS-2, through 5. There are so many bell types that have been produced that it’s difficult to keep track of all of them (Not the mention the bell types collectors have made).
- During the production of the Sandcast K3Ls, AirChime offered the J3 as an alternative for snowplows. It was marketed with extremely low air usage and used a single diaphragm unlike the dual diaphragms in K bells. Despite these differences, both versions are compatible on the same manifold.
- Nathan AirChime also produces the C series of horns for both single, two-tone British style horns, and a five chime marketed at the C5A-CWP.
-Leslie Supertyfon horns started off with the S3J and S5D, which respectively mimicked the M3/P3 and M5/P5. This upset AirChime and a lawsuit took place, which caused Leslie to change their bells, resulting in the S3L and S5T.
There’s so much more information I have, but it would be hard to put it all in one comment lol
If only I knew I could contact people like you when I was making this. Thank you! :)
37:55 that dash 8…
I love everything about the video :)
Awesome video!
Blud can see the future
Dawg hasn’t even watched it yet.
There's even a generation I like to call the 2 1/2nd Gen K5HL, although it's more properly referred to as Early Raised Letter K5HL. These sound similar to the 2nd Gen K5HL, but with a minor difference in terms of notes.
Oh is that so? You happen to know any units that have that horn?
@@LocoPro I do as a matter of fact, several CSX ES44AH's have that type of horn, as does BNSF 7092.
How the hell has your channel not blowin' up man? Making some baller ass content over here and the algorithm's still asleep at the wheel. Seriously though, this is some real good stuff right here my guy 😎
Gotta be the most encouraging word I've received on this channel. Thank you so much, my friend. God bless. :)
Thanks for the info, just so everyone's aware my lady and I are watching this at the Grand Canyon Railway Hotel, in Arizona
That's awesome to hear. :)
Excellent video my friend, in recent months I have seen an increase in the number of railfans who enjoy horns, at least here in my country. The most common horns here in Brazil are Leslie, K3LA, K3LP and a national horn also called P3.
35:11 I live on the west cost and BNSF has more K3HL horns as it is the main and I mean MAIN horn BNSF uses
I’m absolutely loving this series keep up these amazing videos
One thing you didn’t touch on is the K5LA hybrids that the cellar express train sets for Amtrak use. They somewhat sound like the K5 LA that other Amtrak trains use but sound a little bit higher pitched. They wanted the higher pitch because of the high speed that those trains hit.
Thanks for this video!
Why couldn’t train horns just blow for horn salutes?
Because not every crew is having a good enough day to be spamming the horn. 😂
@@LocoPro Oh okay…
@@LocoPro wouldn't say it's a once in a lifetime opportunity but rather, Crew ready to go home. The shorter the train the friendlier the crew.
Very good video! Nice to see more people going more in depth on horns! It does seem that even most RL K5LAs are R24, but there are still a good amount of R23s out there. SD70 series units are known horn killers lol. 4001 doesn't have a K5LLE, only NS 6333 does. 4001 has a RL Hybrid K5LLA, (1L 1 2 3A 4)
I appreciate this commentary, my friend. :)
When I saw the BNSF Gevo, I already knew the K5HL was next 🤣
A true individual of intelligence. :)
Got a name for the series that I think you’ll like: Trackside Trivia with Loco
"Trackside Trivia" is a pretty neat name.
K5LA/K5LLA FTW!!!
Based. 🫡
Sounds like NS has the greatest variety of horns out there
CSX also has a pretty good variety along. BNSF and KCS too, they be having the most random horns but they are so hard to find. 😂
The « P » is for Preset Pitch
I'm not doubting you, but how do you know this? I searched so long and could not find a definition (thank you by the way). :)
@@LocoPro its a horn collector a few years ago that told me that. He said that the P horn was for replacing the M serie wich was a pain in the a** to work on because the diagram for each bell were a different one. Also, they had to tune the horn after opening the bells. The P serie is much simpler, thin gasket, diaphragm, thick gasket ( second diaphragm for double diaphragm setup ) and the back cap. Its not an official information from Nathan Airchime but this was I was told.
@@mic8040 It seems that the meaning of P is both "President's Whistle" and "Preset Pitch." I saw a diagram on the hornwhistleforum stating that along with M horns standing for "Modulus," which is due to the modular design of M horns unlike the earlier Hexatone H5 and H6 horns, which were not made up of modular parts. Since P horns are designed in a way where no voicing is required, all they need is the diaphragm kit, rubber seat/spring, and backcap. No additional adjustments needed unlike the M horns.
How many decibles are these horns and every single one of them?
I have no clue.
am i a casual 🤓🤓
Yes. 🍷
@@LocoPro 🤓🤓
Leslie is king grrrrr 👹👺