Stacking Dado Blade Sets & Sacrificial Rabbeting Fence on a Shopsmith
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- First off, I want to thank my channel subscribers for picking the thumbnail for this video. Thanks a lot guys, that's just... perfect. In today's video, we talk about the use of Carbide Stacking Dado Blade Sets and how to make and use a sacrificial fence for safe and accurate rabbets.
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Here are links to a few of the products I used in the previous video:
🟢 My favorite 9" long T-handle "Shopsmith Toolbox" 5/32" Hex Wrench: amzn.to/3sm3NcJ
🟢 Here's my 6" dado stack set: amzn.to/3czlhgE
🟢 Here's my 8" dado stack set: amzn.to/3w9HxVT
🟢 Shopsmith Molder / Dado Arbor on eBay: ebay.us/OS4FP3
🟢 Shopsmith Dado Insert for sale on eBay: ebay.us/Y5EAHb
🟢 Link to the Taylor Design Group "INCRA Gauge" on Amazon: amzn.to/3gIPKHL These seem to have limited availability, so you might also try eBay: ebay.us/sBliaH
🟢 The old Shopsmith stacked dado set is still produced and sold by the original manufacture, Vermont American. I'm not recommending it, but it might be worth a look: amzn.to/3wu9isv
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Scott cannot tell you how much I appreciate your videos.
Wow, thanks, Larry. That’s nice to hear.
Great video. I have the 8” Freud dado set. The 6” SS was as you stated a little short when using a box joint jig.
Yes, I had that same issue too.
Thanks Scott
Using the quill to incrementally adjust the blade is something I never thought of. I've done dado-ing with a sacrificial fence and am glad to see by your demo that I did it correctly! I love it when I learn something new with everyone of your videos. Thank you so much.
Glad to hear you are picking up some useable tips. I do that trick a lot when ripping too, Scott
Thanks for another great video. Always clearly expressed and positioned. I checked my dados: one wobbler and one stack. The stack is a 1984 model from Shopsmith, not carbide and hardly used. I just ordered the Freud 6" stack and plan to use it on my next cabinet project. Anyone interested in the other two? Sincerely, Glen, not Sandy
Ha! Glen, I'm sure you'll find a taker. Scott
Thanks for the recent mention of the M5 table saw insert having an "intentional" bend at the east/west center line - which, when used properly, allows the insert to rest flush with the table at both ends. I've been doing it wrong for 40 years - always promising myself to "make up a shim someday" . Now I don't have to.
Happy to help. Scott
Scott, you spoke about the longevity of the set you have, sharpening as needed. Do you sharpen your own blades or do you have them professionally done? Thanks again for a very informative video. The Shopsmith committee really benefits from the knowledge you share.
Thanks James. Yes, I have all my blades and knives professionally sharpened. I’ve never seen the value in purchasing the tools of the quality I would need to get the sharpness I get from a pro and they aren’t all that expensive to have sharpened. Scott
Another great presentation. Thanks for sharing. Curt.
Thanks Curt.
You are a good teacher Scott, thanks! Great video, Bill.
Thanks Bill!
Great video as always. I hav an Oshlund 6” stack set that works great and was reasonably priced. Have gotten good clean cuts with this set. Got rid of the old craftsman adjustable wobble that came with my used Shopsmith. It was a PIA to adjust.
Thanks. Yeah, the Craftsman dados were hit and miss. Some were actually great tools. Scott
The 8” works great on the Mark 7 as that motor is more powerful and speed controlled. You do need to adjust speed down a little compared to the 6” dado stack.
Great Video Scott. Thanks
Thanks Allen. Scott
Great episode. I was curious, where can I get table saw blades sharpened and what should it typically cost?
I suggest Googling “Saw sharpening in (your city)” and see what comes up. There are a few people that you can ship your blades to, but that’s where I would start. Also, if you have a woodworking store in your area, such as Woodcraft, or Rockler or even a good hardware store, they may know of someone that they trust.
I had both wobble head and the stack set the wobble heads sucks .The stack set is off brand Mibro I think it come from Home Depo.It does great job I built several sets of kitchen cabinets with them since I retired.
I remember seeing a video on that set and the guy wasn't impressed. Glad to hear you had better results! ua-cam.com/video/tyB_gThtJcA/v-deo.html
Great video -- takes a lot of the mystery out of it for me.
Glad to hear it! Scott
The smoothness of the bottom of those cuts with the Freud dado set is superior compared to the SS and B & D dado sets I have. I have a project coming up with dados, and rabbets so I'm going to look into the Freud set.
You’ll never look back.
I have the Freud 6" dado stack, compared to the Sears Excalibur stack well there is no comparison. The Freud is all you'll ever use.
Well, I added the Freud 6" to my "Wish List" on Amazon. If I'm a good boy, maybe Santa will smile on me this Christmas. Meanwhile, I'll just wobble along.
Yet another reason to be good.
Looks like I need these blades!
You’ll love it. Just make sure it’s not the “box joint“ version of the blade. It has a much smaller capacity. Scott
Scott great video, always learn something. TKS.
Thanks and glad to hear it! Scott
Great video as always, what a difference between the wobble in the stack, I don’t have a carbide but I can see the difference between my datos and rabbits and what you did with the carbide. Going to have to set some money aside
Hey Dave. I think the two biggest differences are that on a wobble dado you only ever have a single tooth cutting the edge of the dado or groove. Cutting with the grain is usually OK, but once you cut across the grain it introduce plywood all bets are off. The other difference is the quality and flatness of the bottom of the cut. If it is covered it doesn’t really matter, but I’d it is exposed, such as on a box joint or a through dado then the stackable set really shines. Scott
Could you show us how you adjust the stack to cut an exact width?
Sure. Do you have a specific target in mind? Scott
@@MyGrowthRings N o. Just like to see technique for hitting a specific width dado such as with odd sized plywood.
@@rdhelm Odd sized plywood? Oh, you mean ALL plywood! Yeah, because it is all either mad overseas or at least is made to metric thicknesses we will always have to contend with plywood being an odd size to us. Ok, we'll address that in the mid-week follow-up. Scott
Thanks for the great content!
Thanks Albert.
Very informative Scott. I have the 6-inch CMT stacked dado set and I am very pleased with it. I also like the CMT saw blades and router bits. Question have you ever had the set screw come out while operating? That happened to me during lathe turning the other day. Mine is a used Mark and I noticed that the screw when set was way down in the hole. Is it possible there was not enough surface contact for the screw. I have no idea where the set screw ended up.
It's a rare occurrence, but yes, it has happened. When it does I tighten the set screw and make extra sure to keep an eye on it. If it loosens again I immediately replace it. If it happens again, and it rarely does, I have been known to drill and tap a fresh hole. That's a last ditch effort, though. Scott
I noticed you reducing blade speed before switching off your machine, and increasing speed after turning it on. I’ve had a Mark V since the mid 70’s, and my method has been to switch on, and set arbor speed before putting a blade, disk, or cutter on, then turn off, and mount the tool. I make my cut, and turn off. My thinking was to minimize wear on the speed adjust mechanism by changing speeds under no-load conditions. I’m guessing you speed up and slow down under load to reduce strain on the motor at start and stop. I’m wondering if Shopsmith recommends one or the other, and which approach might lead to a need for headstock service sooner?
That’s a very good observation and I’ve even Don a video addressing that: ua-cam.com/video/U2I83mO-XCc/v-deo.html
Thank you for going over this, especially the direction of the cup washers. I couldn't find any info on that previously. As for the big spacer, when is that used?
Good question, Blair. You only use the thick washer when dadoing with a very narrow stack. If you get too thin you’ll run out of threads before the nut is tight. You still installed the cupped washer, then the blades, then the second cupped washer and then the spacer, the lounged washer then finally the nut. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings Thanks so much for the explanation. Makes sense now.
You are welcome.
On another topic, I ordered Upper and Lower roller bearings for my bandsaw. Shopsmith sent me a pair of 1/4 inch wide bearings. The existing bearings are over 1/2 inch wide. Where can I get wider bearings to match the original ones?
Sounds like someone made an error. Did you call Shopsmith?
Learning so much. I noticed that you always tighten the saw and dado arbors with the arbor installed on the quill shaft. I always tighten the arbor nuts on my bench and then install the arbor on the quill shaft. Is there any harm in doing it this way?
No harm at all. I get a pretty bad cut tightening the arbor nut on a Shopsmith saw arbor back in the '80s when the wrench slipped and I've been tightening them this way ever since. Also, back in those days the wrench was shorter and had a big bend in it, and those two characteristics contributed to my injury. I love the longer wrench that they make today. Good observation. Scott
I have odd collections but I'm trying to think about what would be so compelling about routers. Please don't tell me. I DON'T need another collections and I already have a few
I've got one of those 80's vintage dado stacks (no carbide teeth) 505548 that's gently used with the purchase of my used Mark V... Is it worth trying as a beginner or should I plan on shelling out for a new one for the project that warrants it?
P.S. I plan to join the channel just as soon as I can get back to working full-time. I appreciate all that you put into the channel. - James
Hey James. Thanks just for being part of the conversation. I suggest giving it a shot. Who knows, it might surprise you. Scott
Like Glen below, I too have both the 'Magna Precision' wobble as well as a 6" Shopsmith dado set (505548). Looking forward to exploring some joinery. Maybe you could discus a bit more on why you prefer dado'ing to lets say tounge and grove'in on a router table? Also, how much better are that Freud sets compared to the 505548 set?
Hey Robert. The old 505548 Shopsmith stacked dado set is still produced and sold by the original manufacture, Vermont American. I'm not recommending it, but it might be worth a look: amzn.to/3wu9isv The Freud set and pretty much any carbide tipped dado set are vastly superior in their cut quality and ability to maintain an edge. Sure, we'll talk about tongue and grooves on the mid-week follow-up STUMPED Q&A. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings Already have it. I do have the 8" set in my Amazon wish list. Thanks
Thanks for the great video. I have yet to use a dado set. Your video shows how quite nicely. That little measuring gadget is cool. Where did you get it?
You are welcome. The gadget is a Taylor Design Group “Incra Gauge”. On Amazon it is: amzn.to/3gIPKHL but they seem to have limited availability, so you might also try eBay: ebay.us/sBliaH
If you get a Non-Shopsmith dado set, what arbor do you use?
Thanks for the great videos. I'm just getting back to my 1980 Model 500.
I'm not even sure about everything I've got.
Shopsmith makes a 5/8” molder/dado arbor that works for all dado blades. Just don’t buy the 5/8” saw arbor by accident, unless you need one of those too. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings Thank you. I already have a Shopsmith 5/8" arbor and I would have used that had you not told me about the molder/dado arbor. Thanks again.
@@edgould4071 You are welcome.
Thanks, Scott, for another fantastic video! You’ve convinced me, I will be buying a stacked dado set for my next project. On an unrelated topic, do you have an updated eBay link for Geoff Baker’s Quick Release Handle? The link in your original video doesn’t work for me, at least not on my iPad. Cheers!
I’m out and about with my bride but I’ll get on that in a couple of hours, if you can wait. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings Our wives always take priority, so no hurry. Thanks!
@@charliebirdwell2258 I think Geoffrey took the eBay link down temporarily because he is waiting on some of the parts to come in that he uses to make them. He'll put it up again when he has more, i.e. they were do to get in this week. He mentioned this on FB.
I've noticed that he doesn't always have his handles listed for sale on eBay, so check here often ebay.us/UtgBte
Excellent info. Thanks for the update.
I try not to make cheep shots but why don't you turn the heat up in your basement so you don't have to wear a coat?
If only I were in a basement. I’m in my garage.
Didn't Shopsmith sell a CMT dado set for many years?
They did and still do. It’s a great set too.
Scott, thank you, as always; good info, style and visuals! btw, I've got a Makita 18v trim router, and will be needing a larger router that will run ½" bits. from you extensive experience, any recommends on a larger router?
I LOVE the Porter Cable 690 with it's fixed base and plunge base option, but it was replaced with the 693LRPK and now seems to be fading away in favor of DeWalt, which are both made by Stanley Black & Decker. If I were shopping today I would take a look at the DeWalt DW618PKB amzn.to/39I1kST with 2 1/4 HP, variable speed and 1/4" and 1/2" collets. BUT, I've been hearing very good things about the Skil (Yes, SKIL!) RT1322-00 amzn.to/2R9030L which has a very similar form-factor but seems to represent a very good value. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings thanks, Scott! Skil , eh, I’ll check it out.
@@johnoerter2883 Yep. Like so many other American tool companies they were bought out and are now produced in China. On a positive note, they seem to have improved their quality, which was needed for some time.
Hey Scott, what are you using for dust collection? I notice very little compared to my Mark V.
In my garage I'm using a loud Bauer shop vacuum. It works well and is compact, but it's a shop siren. In my shop I have two Shopsmith DC3300s, which I prefer. Scott
Great video, when are you going to get a remote control for the vacuum?
@@briantomas9861 Some day, perhaps. That little measuring gadget is from Taylor Design Group and is an "INCRA Gauge" on Amazon: amzn.to/3gIPKHL These seem to have limited availability, so you might also try eBay: ebay.us/sBliaH
@@MyGrowthRings Would you but the Shopsmith dust collector today if you needed another? The market is broad and I hope to get one later this year. Thx.
@@jtome12 I might. I have yet to see their new DC6000 but I like the DC3300, with the exception that it could be more powerful. I'd like a smaller footprint too, but all of the dust collectors that I've used operate with 4" or 6" hoses and that's super-awkward with Shopsmith tools. So yes, I would purchase a used DC3300 again over all others and can't wait to try the new one. Scott