Kill team is great but the season structure and normal GW strangeness makes it somewhat obtuse to new players. I’ve had a few people (40K players) say they looked at it and either didn’t know what they needed or thought they needed a lot more than they did. The season structure and focus on narrative also makes people hesitant to jump into the middle. Two things would fix this: Include the little core rule book in the essentials kit and include faction rules in the faction boxes.
I totally agree that GW should make it a lot easier to get hold of the rules for each team. I mean the small book inside each of the bigger kits with 2 teams in or the end of year annual tend to be out of date very quickly. I'd highly suggest if they are still interested in trying to play going onto wahapedia to get the rules and such from there. A small rulebook for that accessory kit would also be a great shout! Not everyone is going to need new terrain or the teams from a starter box set. That being said, the second hand market could may well be the answer to grab one cheap. I did that to get the Leviathan 40K rulebook over 50% cheaper than buying new.
I'm a long time RPG DM/GM and have all the Cubicle7 Wrath and Glory books. I want to use miniatures for a more immersive player experience and these Kill Team boxes look like a great option.
Sounds interesting and it’s a pretty cheap way to get hold of some miniatures to enjoy. Blackstone fortress is another set that may well be up your alley.
out of curiosity, has anyone considered playing a kill team game with the joytoy warhammer 40k figures. Seeing how they made the Orc and Tau kill teams. Would love to see more kill team stuff.
For the board gamers out there, IF, if you can find it, the warhammer fireteam is a nice "kill team" in board game form. It is a very good primer for killteam (rules are almost exactly the same) and if you like how fireteam plays then it will be very easy to move into the actual kill team. That being said the fireteam board game is one of those smallbox barnes and noble game that came out 2+ years ago and atm can be quite a pain to find. If by some miracle you actually find at Barnes for MSRP of 35$ then yeah, it is a great buy. If you aren't able to find fireteam in stores then you will more than likely have to start paying "ebay prices" and heck at that point the offical kill team starter set is probably a better deal.
Huge fan of Kill Team and have found it less daunting getting into than the thought of gettinf into 40k. Have debated combat patrol a few times, that still seems daunting to me.
Totally get that, there are a lot of models on my painting table being neglected for a full 2000 point army. While the game itself isn’t any more complicated really, I found the barrier of the amount of models needed for such a big game and then remembering what each of the units does being my barrier. Kill team was a blessing for my game group, as most of us don’t play so often, so 40K games end up being 3-4 hours with all the pauses looking up things and checking rules. Whereas we could do a small campaign in kill team in the one day a month we normally meet up! Thank you so much for taking the time to view and comment on this video, really appreciate it! What are you working on next?
@@TheCommandPhase maybe it's something to aim towards in the future..I get easily distracted by new models, it's partly why I have sent myself some goals for the year. You are more than welcome. Great video and I am envious of your production. I am working on my next conversion. Should be up by the end of the month, just painting left to do.
I got into kill team about 6 months ago and was lucky enough to add the octarius terrain to my starter box, all in I spent £150 for and whole game system. Since then I've added the gellerpox to my roster, I've only played as veteran guardsman so far but I've never felt like I'm outmatched and I have a shot at winning a game.
It’s a fantastic game for knowing the match will be closely contested no matter the matchup, plus that Octarius terrain has so much flavour too! Glad you’ve had a great initial experience to it. Looking forward to season 3?
@TheCommandPhase I'm looking forward to getting more kill teams and I've just discovered combat patrol with a friend so more 40k than ever for me. Always been AoS and 30k before now
That's awesome , hope you enjoy getting into the bigger version of 40K! I myself am doing the opposite and slowly building up an AoS force - couldn't resist those cities of sigmar models!
Your videos might just be the clearest and most straight forward out of the entire Warhammer scene. I especially enjoyed the video where you compared the costs of all of the different armies. Keep it up and this channel will blow up.
Thank you for your kind words - really appreciate it! Glad you enjoyed the army cost video. It'll be interesting to see how prices change now we've had the price increase and whether the dataslate coming on thursday alongside the new mission deck changes up lists. I'll also certianly be doing an AoS one like that once 4th edition settles.
@@TheCommandPhase I really don't appreciate your recent video regarding the different AoS factions though as they look so good it makes me want to start an AoS army even though I've just got into 40k! Haha. In all seriousness though I love 40k but I've gotta say the sculpts for AoS are insane.
Haha, Sorry! I mean I bought 2 Spearhead boxes while making the video as I have no self control... but their sculpts are incredible! Which 40k army did you start?
@@TheCommandPhase they are. Orks! Glad I chose them because the new codex is so good, especially Dread Mob (this is my planned direction). Thankfully I bought a box of the old Combat Patrol (with the Deff Dread) before they switched it to the Beast Snagga one (which I have absolutely zero interest in). Cheers and keep up the good work.
Big fan of Killteam, it gives me a chance to go a bit kitbash mad, and try out different paint schemes/army themes in a small scale. Good work on the video, channel looks awesome! The Great Hall made me aware of you, glad they did!
That’s a great point too about getting to experiment with a different scheme than you’d normally do too to add more character! Love that! I’m glad you popped over from the Great Hall, Liam is a great guy and I really did appreciate the help. Thank you for the kind words about the channel, really glad you enjoyed the content 🙂
It is very tempting to pick up killteam because I rarely have much hobby time but its so difficult to choose between all the kill teams ! I want them all 👀
I certainly know that feeling. Between myself and another in my playgroup I think we have the vast majority of the teams now! I guess just start with the one you think looks the coolest and go from there :)
A little over a decade ago I dabbled in painting miniatures (not from Citadel) but never bothered to actually play any of the games. I'm getting back into the painting side of things, and Kill Team looks like a great gateway. I get a few different interesting models to paint, and if I do decide I want to play, I don't need to invest a massive amount of either time or money. Thank you for putting together these overviews, you're helping to fill a real gap in understanding the hobby as a whole. As someone coming into this knowing nothing about the game, GW does an awful AWFUL job of explaining things on their website.
Welcome back to the hobby and I’m glad my video was able to be a help to you! I definitely have to agree about the website, it’s not a great explainer for someone new thinking about getting into the hobby or a game system. If you have any further questions getting into kill team do let me know and I’ll do my best to help!
great video, would be great to get a video on what things to buy when starting new? I don't know what books to get and I'm worried that my day one purchase is invalidated
Glad you enjoyed the video and a great idea for something to follow up with. I'm currently editing another video at the moment, but I'll add that to the list as I'm sure a lot of people will find that helpful. In terms of getting started with kill team, I'd probably suggest getting the starter box, or Octarius if you can find it. For two teams and terrain plus the rules. There are errata's to the core rules on the Warhammer Community downloads page and the teams. The other books bar the core rules, were mainly just in sets for the new teams and some extra missions, which aren't necessary starting out. The annuals contain all the team rules that were realeased throughout each year, but as you can expect, they are a bit out of date with balance changes. My hope is like the scout and blades of khaine rules which are free pdfs, GW puts the rest of the teams on there soon to help new players starting out. That way they stay up to date like the warcry ones. Hope that is of some help.
I'm trying to figure this game out as I've been mulling around 40K rules for a while now but haven't purchased. Are the boxes the only units in that faction that you can use. It seems like in the past there were others. Does the Compendium have all data sheets for all factions currently usable in Kill Team? For instance, I want to use Battle Sisters and Arco Flagellants for my possible SoB Kill Team, rather than Novitiates. Is this possible?
So the compendium does have options for more generic forces. In the example of the sisters you can have a force with sisters, repentia and arco flagellants. 2 fireteams of 5 so can choose 2 of the 3 types. The minor downside of these compared to the specialist units is you won’t have access to more abilities/options in comparison. But certainly not harm in playing them and learning the game using them. There is a certain Russian warhammer pedia website where you can find all the rules if you wanted to take a further look at each that I would recommend.
@@TheCommandPhase Wahhhh, I've never heard of such a place. Other than that is there a place I can get all the data sheets in one locale, or just box by box?
@@TheCommandPhase you should. It's honestly what 40k should be. Simple rules and modular add-ons that can be plugged in when the players want and not when they don't
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@@TheCommandPhase Yea, give it a go! You will come back to Kill Team and appreciate it more then before. 😁 The OPR games are really bland and don't offer much over other wargames besides a well done list building app and a reasonable compatibility with Games Workshop models.
@ Untrue. Blatantly. Clearly you've never played anything but the base rules. If GFF is bland, so is kill team. Because GFF's advanced rule book has THE EXACT SAME RULES as kill team, with OPR's mechanics substituted in. There's no real difference between the two. The list building is nearly the same, the hit/wound mechanics are nearly the same. The only difference is that OPR provides a stripped down single page ruleset for new players to try, and then makes everything else plugin that can be decided upon by the players for each game. Right down to command points, tactics, and objective cards. Don't like command points? Don't use them. Don't like having a bazillion gotcha mechanics with tactics cards? Don't use them. Don't like the hectic feel drawing random secondary objectives every turn gives the game? Don't use them. Way to show you've never actually played the game there chief. Grimdark future is pretty much identical to 40k, save you aren't forced to play with the mechanics that you dislike.
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@@Glyff3083 Nah, it shows that you never played Kill Team. 🤷♂️
I’d have to say the dedicated teams generally are better because of all the specialists they have. But some of the compendium teams are still decent and starting out you won’t see an immediate power level gap.
A good reason not to start Kill Team is that the current rules is expected to get replace quite soon and will change every three years. I would stay away and check out OPR instead….
So if you head to the Warhammer community website, head to the downloads section and then kill team. You’ll find a balance dataslate there for the teams, alongside any FAQs and Errata for the core rules and crit ops to be up to date. You’ll be good to go from there with the two teams you have and the missions in your into the dark book 👍 Hope that helps, and if you need more missions they’ve been in white dwarf magazines else if you’re new there is the 2023 annual that should contain all of the missions on the gallowdark.
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Kill team is great but the season structure and normal GW strangeness makes it somewhat obtuse to new players. I’ve had a few people (40K players) say they looked at it and either didn’t know what they needed or thought they needed a lot more than they did. The season structure and focus on narrative also makes people hesitant to jump into the middle.
Two things would fix this:
Include the little core rule book in the essentials kit and include faction rules in the faction boxes.
I totally agree that GW should make it a lot easier to get hold of the rules for each team. I mean the small book inside each of the bigger kits with 2 teams in or the end of year annual tend to be out of date very quickly. I'd highly suggest if they are still interested in trying to play going onto wahapedia to get the rules and such from there.
A small rulebook for that accessory kit would also be a great shout! Not everyone is going to need new terrain or the teams from a starter box set. That being said, the second hand market could may well be the answer to grab one cheap. I did that to get the Leviathan 40K rulebook over 50% cheaper than buying new.
Why would narrative focus put people off? Do we really need everything to be competive? How pathetic.
@@rwentfordable narrative isn’t bad. FOMO marketing is.
I'd love to see more kill team stuff
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@@TheCommandPhase I am looking to get started. I think I might be getting a killzone for Christmas so I'm very excited👍
That’s awesome! I hope you enjoy and if you have any questions let me know and I’ll do my best to help. Have a great Christmas 👍
@@TheCommandPhase You too
I'm a long time RPG DM/GM and have all the Cubicle7 Wrath and Glory books. I want to use miniatures for a more immersive player experience and these Kill Team boxes look like a great option.
Sounds interesting and it’s a pretty cheap way to get hold of some miniatures to enjoy. Blackstone fortress is another set that may well be up your alley.
out of curiosity, has anyone considered playing a kill team game with the joytoy warhammer 40k figures. Seeing how they made the Orc and Tau kill teams. Would love to see more kill team stuff.
That would be pretty epic with all the terrain to scale! Hopefully someone one day with some cash backing can make that happen.
Soooo… not me
Tabletop Titans made a kill team BR with the McFarlane figures
Didn’t realise they had, that’s really cool! Will have to go and check that out myself!
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For the board gamers out there, IF, if you can find it, the warhammer fireteam is a nice "kill team" in board game form. It is a very good primer for killteam (rules are almost exactly the same) and if you like how fireteam plays then it will be very easy to move into the actual kill team.
That being said the fireteam board game is one of those smallbox barnes and noble game that came out 2+ years ago and atm can be quite a pain to find. If by some miracle you actually find at Barnes for MSRP of 35$ then yeah, it is a great buy. If you aren't able to find fireteam in stores then you will more than likely have to start paying "ebay prices" and heck at that point the offical kill team starter set is probably a better deal.
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Huge fan of Kill Team and have found it less daunting getting into than the thought of gettinf into 40k. Have debated combat patrol a few times, that still seems daunting to me.
Totally get that, there are a lot of models on my painting table being neglected for a full 2000 point army. While the game itself isn’t any more complicated really, I found the barrier of the amount of models needed for such a big game and then remembering what each of the units does being my barrier. Kill team was a blessing for my game group, as most of us don’t play so often, so 40K games end up being 3-4 hours with all the pauses looking up things and checking rules. Whereas we could do a small campaign in kill team in the one day a month we normally meet up!
Thank you so much for taking the time to view and comment on this video, really appreciate it! What are you working on next?
@@TheCommandPhase maybe it's something to aim towards in the future..I get easily distracted by new models, it's partly why I have sent myself some goals for the year. You are more than welcome. Great video and I am envious of your production. I am working on my next conversion. Should be up by the end of the month, just painting left to do.
Oh I know all too well about being distracted by new releases. Definitely a hobby magpie!
Sounds good, I look forward to seeing it!
I got into kill team about 6 months ago and was lucky enough to add the octarius terrain to my starter box, all in I spent £150 for and whole game system. Since then I've added the gellerpox to my roster, I've only played as veteran guardsman so far but I've never felt like I'm outmatched and I have a shot at winning a game.
It’s a fantastic game for knowing the match will be closely contested no matter the matchup, plus that Octarius terrain has so much flavour too! Glad you’ve had a great initial experience to it. Looking forward to season 3?
@TheCommandPhase I'm looking forward to getting more kill teams and I've just discovered combat patrol with a friend so more 40k than ever for me. Always been AoS and 30k before now
That's awesome , hope you enjoy getting into the bigger version of 40K! I myself am doing the opposite and slowly building up an AoS force - couldn't resist those cities of sigmar models!
@@TheCommandPhase I'm a Sylvaneth player and completely understand, AoS models are my favourite GW models to paint by far
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Your videos might just be the clearest and most straight forward out of the entire Warhammer scene. I especially enjoyed the video where you compared the costs of all of the different armies. Keep it up and this channel will blow up.
Thank you for your kind words - really appreciate it! Glad you enjoyed the army cost video. It'll be interesting to see how prices change now we've had the price increase and whether the dataslate coming on thursday alongside the new mission deck changes up lists. I'll also certianly be doing an AoS one like that once 4th edition settles.
@@TheCommandPhase I really don't appreciate your recent video regarding the different AoS factions though as they look so good it makes me want to start an AoS army even though I've just got into 40k! Haha. In all seriousness though I love 40k but I've gotta say the sculpts for AoS are insane.
Haha, Sorry! I mean I bought 2 Spearhead boxes while making the video as I have no self control... but their sculpts are incredible! Which 40k army did you start?
@@TheCommandPhase they are. Orks! Glad I chose them because the new codex is so good, especially Dread Mob (this is my planned direction). Thankfully I bought a box of the old Combat Patrol (with the Deff Dread) before they switched it to the Beast Snagga one (which I have absolutely zero interest in). Cheers and keep up the good work.
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I will never start trying to play 40k again but Kill Team can actually be how i get my fix of the universe i enjoy in books and video games
Big fan of Killteam, it gives me a chance to go a bit kitbash mad, and try out different paint schemes/army themes in a small scale.
Good work on the video, channel looks awesome! The Great Hall made me aware of you, glad they did!
That’s a great point too about getting to experiment with a different scheme than you’d normally do too to add more character! Love that!
I’m glad you popped over from the Great Hall, Liam is a great guy and I really did appreciate the help. Thank you for the kind words about the channel, really glad you enjoyed the content 🙂
Very professional look to your videos. Well done.
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It is very tempting to pick up killteam because I rarely have much hobby time but its so difficult to choose between all the kill teams ! I want them all 👀
I certainly know that feeling. Between myself and another in my playgroup I think we have the vast majority of the teams now! I guess just start with the one you think looks the coolest and go from there :)
I love Kill Team so much!
Glad to hear it, which is your favourite team to play?
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A little over a decade ago I dabbled in painting miniatures (not from Citadel) but never bothered to actually play any of the games. I'm getting back into the painting side of things, and Kill Team looks like a great gateway. I get a few different interesting models to paint, and if I do decide I want to play, I don't need to invest a massive amount of either time or money.
Thank you for putting together these overviews, you're helping to fill a real gap in understanding the hobby as a whole. As someone coming into this knowing nothing about the game, GW does an awful AWFUL job of explaining things on their website.
Welcome back to the hobby and I’m glad my video was able to be a help to you! I definitely have to agree about the website, it’s not a great explainer for someone new thinking about getting into the hobby or a game system. If you have any further questions getting into kill team do let me know and I’ll do my best to help!
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great video, would be great to get a video on what things to buy when starting new? I don't know what books to get and I'm worried that my day one purchase is invalidated
Glad you enjoyed the video and a great idea for something to follow up with. I'm currently editing another video at the moment, but I'll add that to the list as I'm sure a lot of people will find that helpful.
In terms of getting started with kill team, I'd probably suggest getting the starter box, or Octarius if you can find it. For two teams and terrain plus the rules. There are errata's to the core rules on the Warhammer Community downloads page and the teams. The other books bar the core rules, were mainly just in sets for the new teams and some extra missions, which aren't necessary starting out. The annuals contain all the team rules that were realeased throughout each year, but as you can expect, they are a bit out of date with balance changes.
My hope is like the scout and blades of khaine rules which are free pdfs, GW puts the rest of the teams on there soon to help new players starting out. That way they stay up to date like the warcry ones.
Hope that is of some help.
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You convinced me... buying the kinband
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I'm trying to figure this game out as I've been mulling around 40K rules for a while now but haven't purchased. Are the boxes the only units in that faction that you can use. It seems like in the past there were others. Does the Compendium have all data sheets for all factions currently usable in Kill Team? For instance, I want to use Battle Sisters and Arco Flagellants for my possible SoB Kill Team, rather than Novitiates. Is this possible?
So the compendium does have options for more generic forces. In the example of the sisters you can have a force with sisters, repentia and arco flagellants. 2 fireteams of 5 so can choose 2 of the 3 types. The minor downside of these compared to the specialist units is you won’t have access to more abilities/options in comparison. But certainly not harm in playing them and learning the game using them.
There is a certain Russian warhammer pedia website where you can find all the rules if you wanted to take a further look at each that I would recommend.
@@TheCommandPhase Wahhhh, I've never heard of such a place. Other than that is there a place I can get all the data sheets in one locale, or just box by box?
So a better title should be "Why should you play Grimdark Future Firefight" No year needed, it's just a better game.
I've never tried that so unable to comment really on how well it plays in comparison. I have heard a lot of good things about one page rules though.
@@TheCommandPhase you should. It's honestly what 40k should be. Simple rules and modular add-ons that can be plugged in when the players want and not when they don't
@@TheCommandPhase Yea, give it a go! You will come back to Kill Team and appreciate it more then before. 😁
The OPR games are really bland and don't offer much over other wargames besides a well done list building app and a reasonable compatibility with Games Workshop models.
@ Untrue. Blatantly. Clearly you've never played anything but the base rules.
If GFF is bland, so is kill team. Because GFF's advanced rule book has THE EXACT SAME RULES as kill team, with OPR's mechanics substituted in.
There's no real difference between the two. The list building is nearly the same, the hit/wound mechanics are nearly the same. The only difference is that OPR provides a stripped down single page ruleset for new players to try, and then makes everything else plugin that can be decided upon by the players for each game.
Right down to command points, tactics, and objective cards.
Don't like command points? Don't use them. Don't like having a bazillion gotcha mechanics with tactics cards? Don't use them.
Don't like the hectic feel drawing random secondary objectives every turn gives the game? Don't use them.
Way to show you've never actually played the game there chief.
Grimdark future is pretty much identical to 40k, save you aren't forced to play with the mechanics that you dislike.
@@Glyff3083 Nah, it shows that you never played Kill Team. 🤷♂️
How would you say the compendium lists are (balance wise) compared to the dedicated kill team lists?
I’d have to say the dedicated teams generally are better because of all the specialists they have. But some of the compendium teams are still decent and starting out you won’t see an immediate power level gap.
A good reason not to start Kill Team is that the current rules is expected to get replace quite soon and will change every three years. I would stay away and check out OPR instead….
Not only the best starting point, but it's better than 40k
Glad that you think so! Do you have a favourite team?
If I have the into the dark box what do I need to be up to date with the rules to start playing now?
So if you head to the Warhammer community website, head to the downloads section and then kill team. You’ll find a balance dataslate there for the teams, alongside any FAQs and Errata for the core rules and crit ops to be up to date. You’ll be good to go from there with the two teams you have and the missions in your into the dark book 👍
Hope that helps, and if you need more missions they’ve been in white dwarf magazines else if you’re new there is the 2023 annual that should contain all of the missions on the gallowdark.
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You should start playing kill team now?
Still no non compwdium custodes or grey knights? Ima pass
Hopefully that’ll be something that we see in the future.
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