@@corpsefoot758 they no longer cause bleed unless you have special ammo, there's multiple different types of special and all of them do something different. Slugs almost changed the meta for about 2 months
It says the video was posted a year ago, and this comment was also posted a year ago, saying that it's been a year... Timeline isn't adding up. What's going on? Did I time travel a year?
Really good video as always, You could do a "Mythbuster"-like series or experiments, could be cool because you look you aré the only one that dares to make experiments in a match, If i convinced you i wanna tell you one myth -if you look trough a rifle scope at a flash-bomb explosión, do you get blind?
Primal yes you can. You can also shoot a fire bomb out of a hunters hand as well. Now the real question is if you could pull off a crack shot and shoot dynamite and frags out of a players hand?
@@Darthsand21503 Worst luck ever: A frag bomb which would not have killed me, killed me by detonating my frag bomb while I was throwing it and it was still in my face. The original frag bomb was below me at the building's wall, I was 4m away and on the roof.
Great video, although I think the crown and king does have a huge advantage over the Romero in that you have follow up shots, meaning if you time it right you can just aim punch every shot on the enemy and just repeatedly hit them until they go down, not to mention the team wipe potential in close quarters
Hell at 600$ instead of about 38$, I do hope that it is much better lol. However I gotta admit I died often with it cause of that annoying super slowdown in between the shots that almost make you stand still like a free kill target while you can at least "shoot and gtfo asap" with Romeo and Rival. If you can't suddenly stop to get behind cover, that's a huge cons. I think it also make you over confident while a more careful approach with a Romeo makes think twice and survive more often.
PanzerIV the overconfidence in a certain expensive firearm is real in this game. I’ve had more PvP kills with the Romero and Sparks than with almost any other main. All you have to do is have a decent sidearm to buff that single shot problem. Officers work, and so do Bornheims, but honestly any handgun is a good follow up
Yeah he does the very best tutorial Hunt video by far. Otherwise for entertaining I go watch Psychoghost. Kids these days needs to have it easy and can't handle skilled shooters. They're all over crappy CoD and Fortnite or Overcrap, little do they know about Hunt.
@@PanzerIV88 I think the main reason is, that hunt is a very slow game, where you may just kill 2 or 3 enemies each round and then maybe escape. You cannot fool around, cause everything makes noise and makes you get headshot. That is not very entertaining for the masses. But you know what? That's fine for me. The community may be smaller, but very nice overall.
@@TheYannyck I think that's most of it but that how campy a lot of the community can be drives a lot of people away as well. You see so many people try to just sit in a corner, especially with a shotgun, waiting for opponents to push them or sitting in a bush waiting for opponents to go by. The campers aren't hard for a good player with throwables to deal with, but are really tough for average and especially new players, and can even be tough for good players if they're out of throwables. I also think how scared so many people play doesn't help either. You hardly ever see anyone go for the gauntlet, if they can get one bounty and run to an extraction they will. You also see a lot of people run away from gun fights hoping you'll put yourself in a bad position to chase them but perfectly content with just running away if you don't chase. It's a great game because you have to play smart, but there are also a lot of people who think they're smart when they're really just a giant puss.
What PlayTribeTV said. The game doesn't appeal to the vast majority of gamers today. It's not like a flashy, modern-era game where there's always action. The one thing Hunt: Showdown does great in is suspense as for all you know, the next couple of steps you take can lead to death. Also, Justin Collins is right. The online community isn't great as more than often, people just sit and wait for someone else to do something. Most of the time, it had to be ME fighting the boss and other players to draw them out. I would be surprised if another team does the rushing and compound pushing instead of me.
the specter and caldwell rival used to be my favourite weapons in the game. Black sun was the first legendary I bought. But, ever since 1.0, for some reason, neither have been working for me. No matter how close,no matter how good I aim, no matter how many shoots I use, enemies just don't die. Funnily enough, the romero, which I used to hate, tends to be my best performing shotgun now.
And that's why these days, I go with a rifle than rely on shotguns. Not to mention, almost all the fights I'm in tends to take place outdoors where shotguns aren't that useful.
@@MrSagaTeller you have never been so wrong lol, long ammo is still meta. And meta or not it's in the end about the person who use the weapons, meta doesent mean nothing else have a single chance about that type of weapon or ammo
Pretty new to the game but one of my favorite kills was a double kill with the short double barrel shotgun. Me and my team got into a heated gun fight in a road near some trees. I made some pot shots with a pistol and ducks into the bushes. I could hear bullets wizzing by. I snuck through the foilage and flanked and single shotted each of the two surviving enemies dropping them instantly. Super satisfying.
I was surprised when you talked about people not liking the Specter. I'm a big fan of the gun; it's saved my skin countless times. But it's like you said: the way you use it is everything. Treating it like a Romero with a faster reload really helps keep me from being too cocky with it
The Romero hatchet currently has a glitch where the spread actually tightens significantly while you are aiming down the sights!!! Just a heads up to anybody
The rival has always been my favorite gun of all time, but this video just made me want to switch. The lemat is stupidly fun. I dont care what this video says lmao
It's true that u get less penalty from having a bigger shotgun with smaller rifle than the opposite, otherwise I love doing what I call the "Poor man's Quartermaster" with Handcannon + Obrez hehe.
@The Random Guy You get severe range reduction with both. The Obrez and Springfield compact have significantly neutered range that loses most of its damage past 25m. Of course headshot range is significantly higher than the romero, but with the added sway it becomes more luck based, then skillful.
Yeah I use the hatched shotgun as enough to put soemone in bleeding state and rush them down beating them as they decide on when tofight or when to stop the bleeding. usually 1 fully charged hit after the initial shotgun blast is good enough to kill also with the time they are bleeding too.
Favourite regular has to be the specter, once you get used to it. Still, i'm a huge fan of the rival hand cannon with quartermaster. Great backup when you really need it
Great vid! The Romero 77 talon is my absolute fav gun in the game. My aim ain't that good, so i have to compensate that with speed and close quarter fights. It works really well in this game!
Specter was always the only shotgun I was good with and I wasn’t sure why. I think I finally get why though. It’s for the exact reasons you said some might dislike it. Thanks man, loved the vid
I used to play Rival 78 and it was fun but then I prestiged and had to use the Romero... hated it but after a while it became my favourite weapon.... I suck at range so I just get closer and Romero them in the face. Very nice video. Love the whole spread explanation
Thanks a lot 4FS for that very interesting video. Even after 800H I couldn't figure out exactly that spray pattern since it isn't something they tell us or show with their very unreliable in-game stats while it would actually be very very useful to do. Funny how somehow the cheapest things are sometimes the best heh. I get far less "WTF he should be dead!" with the Remeo77 than Crown -_- but I really hate the Specter, though not as much as it's bayonet version with even less range, or the compact which I see no reason to use. Problem too with Specter and even Crown is the major walking slowdown as ur stuck in the animation and can't run in between the shots unlike with the Caldwell or Romeo, which is a major cons.
I have 1v3 a team with the Lemat shotgun just a couple weeks ago. They are fighting the boss, 1 gets hurt and panicked runs outside, i get a point blank shot as he runs out. I retreat to the nearest corner and reload, second teammate pokes around my corner just as i finish reloading and bam thats 2 down. I reload again, rush inside fire the lemat shotgun and make him bleed but he is still standing and fighting, so then i switch to the pistol fire and finish him off with 1 well placed bullet while he is panicking firing from the bleed. Lemat shotgun is great as a single shot very close range pistol shotgun thingy
Awesome video! I happen to like the regular specter and the compact as my secondary. I get lots of one shot kills with them at close range. My only problem with shotguns is sometimes I charge in too recklessly knowing I need to close the gap but sometimes it's me that goes down first doing that as it's risky.
Tbh the spectre is probably my favorite shotgun. it isnt as good close as the external hammer shotguns, but it is a cheap medium range 2 shot beast. It is so reliable in the fights I find myself in, and I can deal with alot of people. I dont really know why people don't like it besides the slower firerate (Screw the variants just the base gun)
I will admit that it takes a moment to get used to, but you just have to know how to use the specter. The rate of fire is fairly slow, particularly when compared to the Rival, but like the Romero, you typically only wanna use it when you're near cover so that you can dip in and out of cover when you need to pump it. You won't clear a room as fast as you would with a Rival, but I find that by simply dodging bullets or getting behind cover, I more consistently win 1v2s and 1v3s. Patience is a virtue
Yeah it's almost more like a "defensive shotgun" than something u take to clear out campers and buildings. The biggest problem IMO like the Crown isn't it's slow RoF, it's the fact u can't move fast in between the shots so ur a very easy target between the shots if u can't get behind cover like u say!
1:00 i think the bleed from the shotguns is only dependent on range, ive been barely skimmed by a shotgun for like 15 damage, but was too close and still got a bleed applied. Other times I've been relatively far (10-12m) and lost 75% of my hp with no bleed.
Good to know but weird cause it should really be the opposite and trigger only past a certain dog value such as if u land more than X pellets. That must be why it's so inconsistent.
One of the ways the Specter seems inconsistent is because people don't aim high enough. From his figure you can see that the pellet spread is centered almost entirely bellow the middlepoint of the crosshair. This means that you have to aim higher than other shotguns to land your pellets to the upper chest and get a killshot. So if you're just taking the base specter for a spin without knowing this (or more commonly getting used to the weapon and adjusting through muscle memory) you're going to have a hard time aiming it like other shotguns.
One thing I think a lot of players fail to understand is, yes the spread is the same with hip fire or ADS, but where most of your pellets land is important. Just because you center your crosshair when you hipfire, it doesnt mean most of your pellets will land there.
Can't really beat the Romero. For those watching now the handcannon has improved spread since this video was posted including the hatchet version which seems to have pretty much identical spread now.
My favorite is the Specter, if you get uswd to it you wipe whole rounds :D But after i unlock the Crown and King i always play it, because i have to get rid of my money before prestige, but most of the time i get so many kills with it to, that i actually earn money. I can't play with the Romero, i always fail with it...
Do you intend to update your take on shotguns? Custom ammo has significantly upgraded the capability of some of these weapons. I'd love to hear your take on it.
I do. I even stabbed a guy in the head with my knife with 50% of my health gone and he had a Specter. In fact, it's been a while since I last died to a Specter for me.
Romero 77 Hatchet is good if you consider it as a machete that shoots instead of a shotgun with good melee. But still that romero hc spread inconsistency is bs
Caldwell Rival handcannon is much worse I'd say. I blasted 2 shots at a guy's chest pretty darn close and he even got the bleeding status. He was still alive and he ran away. Then, his buddy killed me with just one shot with a shotgun. Another time, it took my partner 4 Caldwell Rival Handcannon blasts to kill a hunter within effective range and he only did it because the guy was a total idiot. He just crouched there, in the corner, looking around, not even firing his gun or doing anything. I don't even know what the hell was wrong with him as he didn't disconnect.
Idk how you can forget that the Specter Bayonet is sawed off at the tip and reduced from 12 to 10 meters and is also why the spread is greater. Yet quick to announce the Romero Hatchet’s 1m reduction and spread increase.
My teammate is using the sparks+leMat combo. All you need are 1 body shot from the sparks + one little touch of the leMat shotgun and it work everytimes lol
Just a quick note, bleeding does definitely NOT depend on damage. I have been hit by shotguns receiving only 15-ish dmg and I still got bleeding. In a different scenario, I hit a hunter from about 3m with the LeMat while only less than half of his body was visible and he started bleeding.
Other times I have been hit very close and not started bleeding, so that's why I said the exact conditions are unclear, however both damage and range are definitely factors.
The Spectre is really really good if you have cover like the Romero, but i wouldn't say it's the best, but if you play it by peeking then shooting it's pretty nasty.
Although the shotgun on the Lemat Mk. II is not that effective compared to other shotguns, I do find it to be highly satisfying when getting a kill on another hunter with it.
I love the specter, but I do think it needs at least a minor buff. The iron devestator perk should definitely increase the pump speed seeing as it is the only weapon that it effects
It does the same damage as the handcannon. The difference is the spread, so at 10 meters, which is what the store menu damage stat uses in it's calculation, it will do less.
Nice video, I love shotguns to shake up the rifle meta. Nothing more satisfying than nailing a Mosin/Dolch in CQC with a Romero. Quick question on 2:44, does the talon swing still use 1/3 stamina? Thought that was changed in a recent update.
Lemat's shotgun is actually amazing because if you're using a sparks you're dealing 149, and at medium range you can just shoot with the Lemat and kill him
I do like the specter but yeah the pump feels like an entire lifetime in the game. Enough time to eat a headshot if anyone was able to remain cool after getting peppered.
Effective range stat tells you at what range a shotgun should reliably kill in one shot, but with lucky pellet grouping it can be higher, which is likely what happened here.
I learned about the specters slow rof the hard way. Me: "about 6 meters away from target, I hit a shot" Opponent: "still alive, they pull out their secondary" Me: "I pull the tr-" Opponent: "unloads half a clip of a chain revolver worth of lead straight into my skull thanks to the fanning perk" Me: "ded :("
I like playing with all the shotties. If you find a C&K in quickplay, you're pretty likely to take the win. It's a pity the current meta for bounty hunt favours long rifles so much right now.
Ye I think the same. Why take a shotgun when a gun with fanning is much better at doing the same job. I think devs want to prevent people from raging about close range combat too much, but then why put in shotguns at all. They need definitly a buff in terms of spread and killing power. Their job is close range combat, and there they have to be better then any other gun
This is hopefully going to change in 1.3. Basically all guns except Long ammo ones and shotguns were buffed. Compact ammo the most, Long are basically unchanged and Medium is somewhere inbetween. Yes, maybe shotguns are going to feel weaker now, but it seems like it's at least going to shake up the Long ammo meta a bit. Winfields are also getting their own Fanning skill.
With the recent update shotguns lost the ability to cause bleeding... What‘s your opinion: Does this change affect the reliability significantly? After this update shotguns somehow feel even more RNG. I got ~15 meter hitmarker with a Rival Handcannon dealing heavy damage and miss people with a Romero Hatchet at approx. 5 meters.
Bleed was so unreliable on shotguns that I kinda saw it as an added bonus, the real strength is the instakill potential. I don't feel shotties are much weaker now that bleed is gone.
Shotguns need a buff, they are way to unreliable even on short rang. Shotguns are for pushing buildings or tide spots, and there they should be good and reliable. I know, some people dont like them, but thats how they are supposed to work. Close range combat with guns is pretty strange in this game anyway.
I think they are in really good place right now, crossbows need a buff, nobody plays them and the hits are awful, sometimes you can kill with a chest hit in less than 15 meters and sometimes u don't
@@lucasgiordano604 Ye same for shotguns. Difference is, Crossbow have no spread and therefore miss the random effect of shotguns. With Crossbows just need you to hit the upper body and not arms or lower body.
He said that there is a random spread to the pellets, just because he showed in the video that with 4 shots the spread is either tight or not, thats not the spread EVERY TIME, the spread is random so somtimes you get lucky and the "RNG gods" are on your side and all the pellets hit the guys head/upper chest and you 1 shot him, other times they could hit less lethal areas like the arms and shoulders. Shotguns are pretty much unreliable in all FPS games you play because they are all random, because somtimes i love shotguns, and somtimes i dont. Thats their nature, they are about as balanced as they can be, none of them are crazy strong right now, but they arent weak either, theres no reason to buff them
@@sfchappie2035 In some games, like Quake or UT, shotguns have a huge spread, but you are not dead if you miss and they do huge damage if you are close. In games like Pubg, Shotguns have a range of 40 meters. If you are close range, you hit 100% in those games if you aim right. The idea of shotguns is not to miss on 8 meters and never was. It ALSO is unrealistic, and Hunt is all about weapon realism, so why stop there. Shotguns could kill you on 20m or more easily, even in that times, with one palett to the face. Today, peletts can kill you on 200m. The problem with shotguns was never the power of the shot but the wide spread on long range. The use of a shotgun was shooting at small fast targets like birds and hit one pelett cause of the spread. In Hunt, one pelett does nothing while in real life, it could kill you. So either you lower the spread of the shotguns or you give peletts more damage, as it is right now, with low damage and huge spread, they are useless and also unrealistic.
@@blooperman1997 How can it be consistent if the pattern changes, that makes absolutly no sense! How can Shotguns be good if they have a effective range of 5-9 meters with total random numbers of damage even at this range. And as everyone notices playing the game, it is not consistent, thats why this discussion exists in the first place. They are fine for you maybe, cause you don't want them to be good. But they are definitly not fine gameplay wise.
I have like 2500h in this game and what and I experienced all the buffs and nerfs of shotguns. In my opinion shotguns are way to inconsistent in this game. The romero is honestly the most consistent one. It delivers the highest damage and if you hit them right u 1tap people on 8m 100%. Specter beeing the most inconsistent. sometimes u shoot 4 times on 15 m and the target is still running which is absolutely demoralizing. The problem is that uppercut or pax fenning is in the right hands far stronger than the Specter. I know it is hard to balnce shotguns cause people dont like getting oneshoted from a distance of 12m but right now with the new Winfield skill that lets u spam accurately on 30 m shotguns will lose their popularity. It's a shame that poeple are still complaining about shotgun campers while half of the high rank players can doubletap you with any long ammo weapon/uppercut from 150m and complaining about "shotgun campers" while aiming for the same spot for 15 minutes or more in a safe distance with their sparks sniper and waiting for people to peak so it will be an easy headshot. Sure running Shotgun/uppercut is effective but In my opinion its not nearly as strong as Mosin/Uppercut with fenning. While long ammo is good on any distance, shotguns only shine on -20 m. It's a shame they got nerfed after everyone cried their eyes out caus they couldn't push a shotgung with their Mosin...like it should be. Instead of ecouraging people to play more careful they just changed it back to a spot where The meta is Long ammo/ any spammable pistol like dolch or bornheim. srsly why are people complaing about shotguns while the dolch is onbiously the most broken gun in this whole game. u can be dead in 0,8 sec (fire rate) on what feels like 50m but yeah...shotguns op i guess. Im running Mosin uppercut in most of the games and I usually win every trade with a shotgun player by staying out of effective range. Sorry for my english.
Well I have just around 150 hrs... but I've seen enough shotguns BS that it ain't even Real. I fucking hate shotguns for how inconsistent they are. Everytime I play a shotty i can shoot from whatever distance I please And won't kill shit while others kill me with sawn off romero from 10+, meters... No wonder people brag about shotguns since you can have the greatest game of your life And then some pussy kills you using a short range shotgun from 10+ meters just cuz they were lucky... I myself think that shotguns Are an unbalanced And unfair piece of garbage cuz I never am lucky using them while others kill me from a ridiculous range...
I have ~800H and I 100% agree with you. WTF people have crying over shotguns or even the Avtomat while the biggest problem by far is the stupid Dolch which dumbass Crytek ain't even gonna do anything on next patch... Like they're making things already bad like Nitro even more useless, over buffing tier 1 guns to make everything 2 tap in the game which is a major WTF, they really don't know what they're doing. I get the idea but IMO a weak pistol should never be less than 3 hits to kill. Even the Dolch should be 3. Making the Bornheim more expensive ain't gonna balance anything, making money is easier than ever and more when u win, so people are still gonna spam Bornheim and Dolch. Who ever used a Nagant Officer in the last 6 months?!
@@usernameig975 You prove my point. They are inconsistent. You wouldnt push a gun which can 1tap you on 15 m if it would do every time you play it. Honestly I rarely see people with romeros or other shotguns win the game cause 20m plus u outtrade a shotgun with nearly every other gun. The only way to succeed witha shotgun is sneaking and try that outside the boss layer with a three man with accurate aim who are piercing you from every direction with their long ammo at least 80m away. Or try outrade a Dolch on 30m which shoots 2 bullets in one second. There is a reason experienced player take the Dolch over nearly any shotgun if they wanna win. Mosin/Dolch, Mosin/Uppercut those loadouts beat shotguns 90% of the time in the hands of someone who knows how to handle them. Thats straight facts. That is the meta.
@@PanzerIV88 God you are speaking out of my soul. I have no Idea what they are doing, honestly. They nerfed the Winfield a while ago cause it was "too spammable" and now they are bringing this new perk plus a dmg buff. Wow. Or take a look at the crossbows. Noone asked for a croosbow nerf but they nerfed the skill that makes them reload faster. Sure they have faster melee now but idc why even nerf them?? They never where in an unhealthy spot I don't get it. Yeah the normal Conversion Pistol can doubletap you know I dont get the thought behind that change. We have a pax, we have uppercut. Yeah the whole balance with money system is trash cause money is irrelevant. I could run Avtomat/Dolch Precision for nearly a hundret games and I wouldnt be broke.Some guns aren played anymore I havent seen them in ages. Why would you take a gun over a obviously better one that costs 20 bucks more. The devs aren't playing the game that is the problem.
It’s been almost a year, the shotguns have changed quite a bit, would be cool to see an updated shotgun video like this one
Whoa, what did they change?
@@corpsefoot758 they no longer cause bleed unless you have special ammo, there's multiple different types of special and all of them do something different. Slugs almost changed the meta for about 2 months
@@taylenseeley6188 Ah damn, the Hunt meta sounds so exciting
At least for people like me who never even got around to playing it lol
Terminus
It says the video was posted a year ago, and this comment was also posted a year ago, saying that it's been a year...
Timeline isn't adding up. What's going on?
Did I time travel a year?
Really good video as always,
You could do a "Mythbuster"-like series or experiments, could be cool because you look you aré the only one that dares to make experiments in a match,
If i convinced you i wanna tell you one myth
-if you look trough a rifle scope at a flash-bomb explosión, do you get blind?
Drawd -er can you shoot a lit lantern out of a hunters hand?
I like this idea
Primal yes you can. You can also shoot a fire bomb out of a hunters hand as well. Now the real question is if you could pull off a crack shot and shoot dynamite and frags out of a players hand?
@@Darthsand21503 Worst luck ever: A frag bomb which would not have killed me, killed me by detonating my frag bomb while I was throwing it and it was still in my face. The original frag bomb was below me at the building's wall, I was 4m away and on the roof.
the specter is one of my favorite guns in the game
Specter is so nice once you learn to get around the pump speed
My duo was popping off with it yesterday. Pretty strong imo
Same
I’m a specter main and I love it
it's a great shotgun i just wish the compact version wasn't so weak compared to the full one
love the Romero 77, thanks for the tips to make my game play even better.
No problem!
While the standard Romero seems like the best, I can't help but use the Hatchet version. It's too badarse.
I really like the specter, really usefull to shoot trough walls :p
Great video, although I think the crown and king does have a huge advantage over the Romero in that you have follow up shots, meaning if you time it right you can just aim punch every shot on the enemy and just repeatedly hit them until they go down, not to mention the team wipe potential in close quarters
Hell at 600$ instead of about 38$, I do hope that it is much better lol. However I gotta admit I died often with it cause of that annoying super slowdown in between the shots that almost make you stand still like a free kill target while you can at least "shoot and gtfo asap" with Romeo and Rival. If you can't suddenly stop to get behind cover, that's a huge cons. I think it also make you over confident while a more careful approach with a Romeo makes think twice and survive more often.
PanzerIV the overconfidence in a certain expensive firearm is real in this game. I’ve had more PvP kills with the Romero and Sparks than with almost any other main. All you have to do is have a decent sidearm to buff that single shot problem. Officers work, and so do Bornheims, but honestly any handgun is a good follow up
how does this guy not have more views? these videos have amazing quality!
The game simply is not popular at all. People don't understand, what makes a game good.
Yeah he does the very best tutorial Hunt video by far. Otherwise for entertaining I go watch Psychoghost.
Kids these days needs to have it easy and can't handle skilled shooters. They're all over crappy CoD and Fortnite or Overcrap, little do they know about Hunt.
@@PanzerIV88 I think the main reason is, that hunt is a very slow game, where you may just kill 2 or 3 enemies each round and then maybe escape.
You cannot fool around, cause everything makes noise and makes you get headshot. That is not very entertaining for the masses. But you know what? That's fine for me.
The community may be smaller, but very nice overall.
@@TheYannyck I think that's most of it but that how campy a lot of the community can be drives a lot of people away as well. You see so many people try to just sit in a corner, especially with a shotgun, waiting for opponents to push them or sitting in a bush waiting for opponents to go by. The campers aren't hard for a good player with throwables to deal with, but are really tough for average and especially new players, and can even be tough for good players if they're out of throwables.
I also think how scared so many people play doesn't help either. You hardly ever see anyone go for the gauntlet, if they can get one bounty and run to an extraction they will. You also see a lot of people run away from gun fights hoping you'll put yourself in a bad position to chase them but perfectly content with just running away if you don't chase. It's a great game because you have to play smart, but there are also a lot of people who think they're smart when they're really just a giant puss.
What PlayTribeTV said. The game doesn't appeal to the vast majority of gamers today. It's not like a flashy, modern-era game where there's always action. The one thing Hunt: Showdown does great in is suspense as for all you know, the next couple of steps you take can lead to death.
Also, Justin Collins is right. The online community isn't great as more than often, people just sit and wait for someone else to do something. Most of the time, it had to be ME fighting the boss and other players to draw them out. I would be surprised if another team does the rushing and compound pushing instead of me.
the specter and caldwell rival used to be my favourite weapons in the game. Black sun was the first legendary I bought. But, ever since 1.0, for some reason, neither have been working for me. No matter how close,no matter how good I aim, no matter how many shoots I use, enemies just don't die. Funnily enough, the romero, which I used to hate, tends to be my best performing shotgun now.
It's just a long rifle ammo meta, but it's going to change with 1.3 update - check it out ;-)
And that's why these days, I go with a rifle than rely on shotguns. Not to mention, almost all the fights I'm in tends to take place outdoors where shotguns aren't that useful.
@@MrSagaTeller you have never been so wrong lol, long ammo is still meta. And meta or not it's in the end about the person who use the weapons, meta doesent mean nothing else have a single chance about that type of weapon or ammo
Pretty new to the game but one of my favorite kills was a double kill with the short double barrel shotgun.
Me and my team got into a heated gun fight in a road near some trees. I made some pot shots with a pistol and ducks into the bushes. I could hear bullets wizzing by. I snuck through the foilage and flanked and single shotted each of the two surviving enemies dropping them instantly. Super satisfying.
I was surprised when you talked about people not liking the Specter. I'm a big fan of the gun; it's saved my skin countless times. But it's like you said: the way you use it is everything. Treating it like a Romero with a faster reload really helps keep me from being too cocky with it
Thanks for this. Did not know the knife/hatchet variants had such a big difference
I've actually had an amazing experience using the lemat. Idk if I'm just getting lucky or what but I love it
Duel wielding shotgun LeMats is amazing
I find shotguns to be really useful against bosses. Though I wish the 1887 lever action and 1897 pump action was in this.
the 1887 shotgun is in the game now and the lever action
They do about 300 damage at point blank vs rifles doing about 130 so that makes sense.
Great video! Loved how you added the spray patterns.
The Romero hatchet currently has a glitch where the spread actually tightens significantly while you are aiming down the sights!!! Just a heads up to anybody
A gun having more accuracy while looking down the sights?? Unacceptable!!
@@hatffan321 not accuracy, pallet spread
Thanks for the video. I'm a fan of the Romero 77. Cheap, strong, good range.
The rival has always been my favorite gun of all time, but this video just made me want to switch.
The lemat is stupidly fun. I dont care what this video says lmao
6:45 I actually do the opposite. I run a normal 78 with obrez mosin
Man of culture i see... Nice :D
It's true that u get less penalty from having a bigger shotgun with smaller rifle than the opposite, otherwise I love doing what I call the "Poor man's Quartermaster" with Handcannon + Obrez hehe.
PanzerIV true poor man: Romero hand canon + short Springfield
@@impc8265 Hahaha! That was damn funny, but I can't tell my parents why it made me laugh, they wouldn't understand ^^
@The Random Guy You get severe range reduction with both. The Obrez and Springfield compact have significantly neutered range that loses most of its damage past 25m. Of course headshot range is significantly higher than the romero, but with the added sway it becomes more luck based, then skillful.
Yeah I use the hatched shotgun as enough to put soemone in bleeding state and rush them down beating them as they decide on when tofight or when to stop the bleeding. usually 1 fully charged hit after the initial shotgun blast is good enough to kill also with the time they are bleeding too.
Favourite regular has to be the specter, once you get used to it. Still, i'm a huge fan of the rival hand cannon with quartermaster. Great backup when you really need it
Great vid! The Romero 77 talon is my absolute fav gun in the game. My aim ain't that good, so i have to compensate that with speed and close quarter fights. It works really well in this game!
Caldwell is my lady, always takes it to the haviest parties
Specter was always the only shotgun I was good with and I wasn’t sure why. I think I finally get why though. It’s for the exact reasons you said some might dislike it. Thanks man, loved the vid
Props to Ascendance from 4FS Gaming once again, my opinion on shotguns has changed
I absolutely love the Le Mat shotgun mode. It's much stronger than people would think.
Fucking amazing video. Keep these detail videos coming. You earned a new sub and all my friends as well.
I used to play Rival 78 and it was fun but then I prestiged and had to use the Romero... hated it but after a while it became my favourite weapon.... I suck at range so I just get closer and Romero them in the face. Very nice video. Love the whole spread explanation
Loving these. Thanks for the knowledge😊
The Specter is strong, super strong. You just have to get a feel for the inter-shot rhythm.
Thanks a lot 4FS for that very interesting video. Even after 800H I couldn't figure out exactly that spray pattern since it isn't something they tell us or show with their very unreliable in-game stats while it would actually be very very useful to do.
Funny how somehow the cheapest things are sometimes the best heh. I get far less "WTF he should be dead!" with the Remeo77 than Crown -_- but I really hate the Specter, though not as much as it's bayonet version with even less range, or the compact which I see no reason to use. Problem too with Specter and even Crown is the major walking slowdown as ur stuck in the animation and can't run in between the shots unlike with the Caldwell or Romeo, which is a major cons.
romero talon does 150 now, ive killed many trios by shooting one and chopping the other 2
I have 1v3 a team with the Lemat shotgun just a couple weeks ago. They are fighting the boss, 1 gets hurt and panicked runs outside, i get a point blank shot as he runs out. I retreat to the nearest corner and reload, second teammate pokes around my corner just as i finish reloading and bam thats 2 down. I reload again, rush inside fire the lemat shotgun and make him bleed but he is still standing and fighting, so then i switch to the pistol fire and finish him off with 1 well placed bullet while he is panicking firing from the bleed.
Lemat shotgun is great as a single shot very close range pistol shotgun thingy
Awesome video! I happen to like the regular specter and the compact as my secondary. I get lots of one shot kills with them at close range. My only problem with shotguns is sometimes I charge in too recklessly knowing I need to close the gap but sometimes it's me that goes down first doing that as it's risky.
Tbh the spectre is probably my favorite shotgun. it isnt as good close as the external hammer shotguns, but it is a cheap medium range 2 shot beast. It is so reliable in the fights I find myself in, and I can deal with alot of people. I dont really know why people don't like it besides the slower firerate (Screw the variants just the base gun)
I will admit that it takes a moment to get used to, but you just have to know how to use the specter. The rate of fire is fairly slow, particularly when compared to the Rival, but like the Romero, you typically only wanna use it when you're near cover so that you can dip in and out of cover when you need to pump it. You won't clear a room as fast as you would with a Rival, but I find that by simply dodging bullets or getting behind cover, I more consistently win 1v2s and 1v3s. Patience is a virtue
Yeah it's almost more like a "defensive shotgun" than something u take to clear out campers and buildings. The biggest problem IMO like the Crown isn't it's slow RoF, it's the fact u can't move fast in between the shots so ur a very easy target between the shots if u can't get behind cover like u say!
I didn't know the spread on the Caldwells shotguns where that bad I love useing them those
The romero hatchet is the best gun in the game. I love that fella
1:00 i think the bleed from the shotguns is only dependent on range, ive been barely skimmed by a shotgun for like 15 damage, but was too close and still got a bleed applied. Other times I've been relatively far (10-12m) and lost 75% of my hp with no bleed.
Good to know but weird cause it should really be the opposite and trigger only past a certain dog value such as if u land more than X pellets. That must be why it's so inconsistent.
One of the ways the Specter seems inconsistent is because people don't aim high enough. From his figure you can see that the pellet spread is centered almost entirely bellow the middlepoint of the crosshair. This means that you have to aim higher than other shotguns to land your pellets to the upper chest and get a killshot.
So if you're just taking the base specter for a spin without knowing this (or more commonly getting used to the weapon and adjusting through muscle memory) you're going to have a hard time aiming it like other shotguns.
Romero handcannon as a backup for the springfield compact striker. Now thats a real mans loadout
The specter can be reliable as long as you know how to use it, my partner left me and I fought a team of 3, I killed all 3 of them with the Specter
I had a game where these 3 guys filed into a building one at a time and I one shot each of them as they walked in, favorite gun in the game
I love the romeo 77 handcannon
One thing I think a lot of players fail to understand is, yes the spread is the same with hip fire or ADS, but where most of your pellets land is important. Just because you center your crosshair when you hipfire, it doesnt mean most of your pellets will land there.
Lemat shotgun shell is so satisfying.. I’ve gotten 5 surprise bops with it this week alone :D
A+++ Channel with A+++ Hunt guides! grind on! see you in the Bayou!
funny how it seems the romero 77 is one of the best shotguns because of how it easily outclasses the others in range and damage
Specter is my favourite weapon and it's incredibly reliably in my Hands. :D
Can't really beat the Romero. For those watching now the handcannon has improved spread since this video was posted including the hatchet version which seems to have pretty much identical spread now.
addicted to your shotgun focused content 🤤
Looks like there adding another one for me to test out too!
My favorite is the Specter, if you get uswd to it you wipe whole rounds :D But after i unlock the Crown and King i always play it, because i have to get rid of my money before prestige, but most of the time i get so many kills with it to, that i actually earn money. I can't play with the Romero, i always fail with it...
Do you intend to update your take on shotguns? Custom ammo has significantly upgraded the capability of some of these weapons. I'd love to hear your take on it.
People dislike the spectre?? I absolutely love it.
I do. I even stabbed a guy in the head with my knife with 50% of my health gone and he had a Specter. In fact, it's been a while since I last died to a Specter for me.
Romero 77 Hatchet is good if you consider it as a machete that shoots instead of a shotgun with good melee. But still that romero hc spread inconsistency is bs
Caldwell Rival handcannon is much worse I'd say. I blasted 2 shots at a guy's chest pretty darn close and he even got the bleeding status. He was still alive and he ran away. Then, his buddy killed me with just one shot with a shotgun.
Another time, it took my partner 4 Caldwell Rival Handcannon blasts to kill a hunter within effective range and he only did it because the guy was a total idiot. He just crouched there, in the corner, looking around, not even firing his gun or doing anything. I don't even know what the hell was wrong with him as he didn't disconnect.
I went from Caldwell over Specter to now Romero ( That blast is just unbeatable).
Idk how you can forget that the Specter Bayonet is sawed off at the tip and reduced from 12 to 10 meters and is also why the spread is greater. Yet quick to announce the Romero Hatchet’s 1m reduction and spread increase.
We cover the difference in spread between the Specter and Specter Bayonet at 9:00
I love ur videos . Keep it up
Specter with regular shells and lemat fire rounds with fanning
My teammate is using the sparks+leMat combo. All you need are 1 body shot from the sparks + one little touch of the leMat shotgun and it work everytimes lol
I like using 2 lemats with a scoped rifle so you got long range med range and anti melee in one build.
Romero + Caldwell Pax .. dirty combo
Just a quick note, bleeding does definitely NOT depend on damage. I have been hit by shotguns receiving only 15-ish dmg and I still got bleeding. In a different scenario, I hit a hunter from about 3m with the LeMat while only less than half of his body was visible and he started bleeding.
Other times I have been hit very close and not started bleeding, so that's why I said the exact conditions are unclear, however both damage and range are definitely factors.
Nice video but what happens to the spread when you ads?
We tried testing it in game and noticed that the spread looked the same ads and hip
Absolutely nothing
honestly i love the spectre
Really informative video!
Don't fret when your free hunter comes with a hand cross-bow and romero handcannon. Just get sneaky and practice dodging long ammo.
The Spectre is really really good if you have cover like the Romero, but i wouldn't say it's the best, but if you play it by peeking then shooting it's pretty nasty.
The standard Specter never seems to work for me, no matter the circumstances, but for some reason the Specter Bayo works virtually all the time.
Romero slugs and a stripper pistol (forgot name) is my fav to run
Although the shotgun on the Lemat Mk. II is not that effective compared to other shotguns, I do find it to be highly satisfying when getting a kill on another hunter with it.
I Love the Lemat Mk2 shotgun saves me from so many Swords and Bomblances
Well I’m pretty new still but I do like the spector
you should check if adsing causes a smaller spread pattern (assuming you did these spread patterns w/o ads)
It has no impact.
I love the specter, but I do think it needs at least a minor buff. The iron devestator perk should definitely increase the pump speed seeing as it is the only weapon that it effects
I wonder if they will ever make some kind of slam fire trait for pump actions.
LeMarkII shotgun version saved my ass so many times xD
Why does the romero hatchet only do 85 damage isn't it already balanced with the bad spread?
It does the same damage as the handcannon. The difference is the spread, so at 10 meters, which is what the store menu damage stat uses in it's calculation, it will do less.
Nice video, I love shotguns to shake up the rifle meta. Nothing more satisfying than nailing a Mosin/Dolch in CQC with a Romero. Quick question on 2:44, does the talon swing still use 1/3 stamina? Thought that was changed in a recent update.
Lemat's shotgun is actually amazing because if you're using a sparks you're dealing 149, and at medium range you can just shoot with the Lemat and kill him
I got a o try that very good idea
I do like the specter but yeah the pump feels like an entire lifetime in the game. Enough time to eat a headshot if anyone was able to remain cool after getting peppered.
New Video with all shotgun Spreads for buckshot and pennyshot please 🤗
Yesterday, I got killed with a single shot of a Compact Rival 78 at 14 meters with full hp
@@blooperman1997 aaah could be! But I did not heard any aditional shot before die. Maybe it was from a silenced gun...
Effective range stat tells you at what range a shotgun should reliably kill in one shot, but with lucky pellet grouping it can be higher, which is likely what happened here.
I learned about the specters slow rof the hard way.
Me: "about 6 meters away from target, I hit a shot"
Opponent: "still alive, they pull out their secondary"
Me: "I pull the tr-"
Opponent: "unloads half a clip of a chain revolver worth of lead straight into my skull thanks to the fanning perk"
Me: "ded :("
What about lever action shotty with levering?
Specter number one
Plz make a new updated video on this topic
Thank god for this video
Finally Someone Did It!!
Great info! Btw it's pronounced "MAY-lee", not "Muhlay"
Do an update and include rhe Winfield terminus
I'm guessing this was made before custom ammo became a thing?
I love the lematt, it easily dispatches melee boys
That explains why I feel like the lemat shotgun shell isn’t doing anything… ITS LITERALLY GOES EVERYWHERE
What are the new patterns for the new ammo.
I like playing with all the shotties. If you find a C&K in quickplay, you're pretty likely to take the win. It's a pity the current meta for bounty hunt favours long rifles so much right now.
Ye I think the same. Why take a shotgun when a gun with fanning is much better at doing the same job. I think devs want to prevent people from raging about close range combat too much, but then why put in shotguns at all. They need definitly a buff in terms of spread and killing power. Their job is close range combat, and there they have to be better then any other gun
This is hopefully going to change in 1.3. Basically all guns except Long ammo ones and shotguns were buffed. Compact ammo the most, Long are basically unchanged and Medium is somewhere inbetween. Yes, maybe shotguns are going to feel weaker now, but it seems like it's at least going to shake up the Long ammo meta a bit. Winfields are also getting their own Fanning skill.
How would you rate the slate vs crown and king?
Where is the Winfield terminus?
With the recent update shotguns lost the ability to cause bleeding...
What‘s your opinion: Does this change affect the reliability significantly?
After this update shotguns somehow feel even more RNG. I got ~15 meter hitmarker with a Rival Handcannon dealing heavy damage and miss people with a Romero Hatchet at approx. 5 meters.
Bleed was so unreliable on shotguns that I kinda saw it as an added bonus, the real strength is the instakill potential. I don't feel shotties are much weaker now that bleed is gone.
4FS Gaming Thanks mate. Awesome content - keep up the good work.
Shotguns need a buff, they are way to unreliable even on short rang. Shotguns are for pushing buildings or tide spots, and there they should be good and reliable. I know, some people dont like them, but thats how they are supposed to work. Close range combat with guns is pretty strange in this game anyway.
I think they are in really good place right now, crossbows need a buff, nobody plays them and the hits are awful, sometimes you can kill with a chest hit in less than 15 meters and sometimes u don't
@@lucasgiordano604 Ye same for shotguns. Difference is, Crossbow have no spread and therefore miss the random effect of shotguns. With Crossbows just need you to hit the upper body and not arms or lower body.
He said that there is a random spread to the pellets, just because he showed in the video that with 4 shots the spread is either tight or not, thats not the spread EVERY TIME, the spread is random so somtimes you get lucky and the "RNG gods" are on your side and all the pellets hit the guys head/upper chest and you 1 shot him, other times they could hit less lethal areas like the arms and shoulders. Shotguns are pretty much unreliable in all FPS games you play because they are all random, because somtimes i love shotguns, and somtimes i dont. Thats their nature, they are about as balanced as they can be, none of them are crazy strong right now, but they arent weak either, theres no reason to buff them
@@sfchappie2035 In some games, like Quake or UT, shotguns have a huge spread, but you are not dead if you miss and they do huge damage if you are close. In games like Pubg, Shotguns have a range of 40 meters. If you are close range, you hit 100% in those games if you aim right. The idea of shotguns is not to miss on 8 meters and never was. It ALSO is unrealistic, and Hunt is all about weapon realism, so why stop there. Shotguns could kill you on 20m or more easily, even in that times, with one palett to the face. Today, peletts can kill you on 200m. The problem with shotguns was never the power of the shot but the wide spread on long range. The use of a shotgun was shooting at small fast targets like birds and hit one pelett cause of the spread. In Hunt, one pelett does nothing while in real life, it could kill you. So either you lower the spread of the shotguns or you give peletts more damage, as it is right now, with low damage and huge spread, they are useless and also unrealistic.
@@blooperman1997 How can it be consistent if the pattern changes, that makes absolutly no sense! How can Shotguns be good if they have a effective range of 5-9 meters with total random numbers of damage even at this range. And as everyone notices playing the game, it is not consistent, thats why this discussion exists in the first place. They are fine for you maybe, cause you don't want them to be good. But they are definitly not fine gameplay wise.
Any of this change with recent updates?
I have like 2500h in this game and what and I experienced all the buffs and nerfs of shotguns. In my opinion shotguns are way to inconsistent in this game. The romero is honestly the most consistent one. It delivers the highest damage and if you hit them right u 1tap people on 8m 100%. Specter beeing the most inconsistent. sometimes u shoot 4 times on 15 m and the target is still running which is absolutely demoralizing. The problem is that uppercut or pax fenning is in the right hands far stronger than the Specter. I know it is hard to balnce shotguns cause people dont like getting oneshoted from a distance of 12m but right now with the new Winfield skill that lets u spam accurately on 30 m shotguns will lose their popularity. It's a shame that poeple are still complaining about shotgun campers while half of the high rank players can doubletap you with any long ammo weapon/uppercut from 150m and complaining about "shotgun campers" while aiming for the same spot for 15 minutes or more in a safe distance with their sparks sniper and waiting for people to peak so it will be an easy headshot. Sure running Shotgun/uppercut is effective but In my opinion its not nearly as strong as Mosin/Uppercut with fenning. While long ammo is good on any distance, shotguns only shine on -20 m. It's a shame they got nerfed after everyone cried their eyes out caus they couldn't push a shotgung with their Mosin...like it should be. Instead of ecouraging people to play more careful they just changed it back to a spot where The meta is Long ammo/ any spammable pistol like dolch or bornheim. srsly why are people complaing about shotguns while the dolch is onbiously the most broken gun in this whole game. u can be dead in 0,8 sec (fire rate) on what feels like 50m but yeah...shotguns op i guess. Im running Mosin uppercut in most of the games and I usually win every trade with a shotgun player by staying out of effective range.
Sorry for my english.
Well I have just around 150 hrs... but I've seen enough shotguns BS that it ain't even Real. I fucking hate shotguns for how inconsistent they are. Everytime I play a shotty i can shoot from whatever distance I please And won't kill shit while others kill me with sawn off romero from 10+, meters... No wonder people brag about shotguns since you can have the greatest game of your life And then some pussy kills you using a short range shotgun from 10+ meters just cuz they were lucky... I myself think that shotguns Are an unbalanced And unfair piece of garbage cuz I never am lucky using them while others kill me from a ridiculous range...
I have ~800H and I 100% agree with you. WTF people have crying over shotguns or even the Avtomat while the biggest problem by far is the stupid Dolch which dumbass Crytek ain't even gonna do anything on next patch... Like they're making things already bad like Nitro even more useless, over buffing tier 1 guns to make everything 2 tap in the game which is a major WTF, they really don't know what they're doing. I get the idea but IMO a weak pistol should never be less than 3 hits to kill. Even the Dolch should be 3.
Making the Bornheim more expensive ain't gonna balance anything, making money is easier than ever and more when u win, so people are still gonna spam Bornheim and Dolch. Who ever used a Nagant Officer in the last 6 months?!
@@usernameig975 You prove my point. They are inconsistent. You wouldnt push a gun which can 1tap you on 15 m if it would do every time you play it. Honestly I rarely see people with romeros or other shotguns win the game cause 20m plus u outtrade a shotgun with nearly every other gun. The only way to succeed witha shotgun is sneaking and try that outside the boss layer with a three man with accurate aim who are piercing you from every direction with their long ammo at least 80m away. Or try outrade a Dolch on 30m which shoots 2 bullets in one second. There is a reason experienced player take the Dolch over nearly any shotgun if they wanna win. Mosin/Dolch, Mosin/Uppercut those loadouts beat shotguns 90% of the time in the hands of someone who knows how to handle them. Thats straight facts. That is the meta.
@@PanzerIV88 God you are speaking out of my soul. I have no Idea what they are doing, honestly. They nerfed the Winfield a while ago cause it was "too spammable" and now they are bringing this new perk plus a dmg buff. Wow. Or take a look at the crossbows. Noone asked for a croosbow nerf but they nerfed the skill that makes them reload faster. Sure they have faster melee now but idc why even nerf them?? They never where in an unhealthy spot I don't get it. Yeah the normal Conversion Pistol can doubletap you know I dont get the thought behind that change. We have a pax, we have uppercut. Yeah the whole balance with money system is trash cause money is irrelevant. I could run Avtomat/Dolch Precision for nearly a hundret games and I wouldnt be broke.Some guns aren played anymore I havent seen them in ages. Why would you take a gun over a obviously better one that costs 20 bucks more. The devs aren't playing the game that is the problem.