9:50 "Oliveira doing a great job microing those helions." -> doesn't micro one helion in time -> "Oliveira doing a pretty good job microing those helions." 🤣🤣
MY youtube is ruined now... anything i watch, no matter what.. comes back to WInter! ... It's ok though.... I'll watch it again anyways i dounno what i'll do with my life
Also, Clem joined the select group of players that can legitimately complain about latency without falling into cope. His whole adventure in Korea was awesome, and it clearly served him handsomely.
Feels good to finally see Clem reach something close to his final form. I have been rooting for him for so long that I got used to the idea that he will only be incredibly good from time to time instead of a more consistent manner like Maru. So glad he went beyond that.
About the tournament: in fighting game this is called “double elimination format”. Means that to be eliminated you have to lose a match twice! If you lose once, you go to loser bracket, lose twice, bye bye. This is why the winner of the winner bracket has to have an advantage, he never got eliminated! But if he loses, now he is on equal terms to do winner of the loser bracket (as if he was sent to the loser bracket too to decide the winner)
I watched the Oliviera vs BuyN video yesterday and found myself wishing to sees Clem go up against Oliviera. Thank you winter for your dedication to SC2 🥳🎉
4:10 - 4:25 i NEVER would've guessed that THAT's HOW it works this is a revolutionary way of viewing the sc2 pro scene you just took my world from black'n'white to TECHNOCOLOR!!
Efficiency on Clems side is "only" a consequence, becoming the straw breaking the opponents back. But his sense for position, composition and tatical opportunites, combined with almost instant desicion making and strategy adaption and 99,98% perfect execution is such a treat to watch. Thanks to organizers and caster.
Hey Winter! Absolutely love your stuff, and I wanted to chime in about the brackets for competitions: I don't know that it originated in the Fighting Game Community (FGC), but the idea of playing an entire extra best of 3 or 5 during double elimination has strong roots in fighting games. The idea is that, if you go undefeated, and then you lose a 'best of' in the final round, you get sent to the losers bracket just like everyone else. But at that point, everyone else from losers has been eliminated, so you just play the same game again against the current leader of the losers bracket. That's where the 2 'best of' games comes from. I like that way the most, especially for competitive games with double elim, but fighting game rounds are capped out at like 90 or 100 seconds most of the time. Starcraft games are way longer, so I think using a different approach makes a lot of sense. Either way, you mentioned it was confusing, and I wanted to shed some light on why it works that way. Keep up the fucking awesome videos dude!
Very impressive showing by Clem. Oliveira's TvT is no joke. People criticize Clem's TvT as it's his worse matchup, but this just goes to show he's improving.
As a new comer to starcraft I don't really know what games are considered "classics", or some of the players in the hearthstone cards! It would be cool to see you do a "best of" starcraft and cast some of the classic games. Love the vids as always
Winner's Bracket should their map choice in Game One. If it's an unfavourable map for the opposing race, then the advantage is you get a better map without it being loser's choice and likely go 1-0 up. If it's a mirror, maybe you've got a pocket strat for a specific map or you just have a preferred map you want to play on because it's a comfort pick.
It would be great to have you organise and host a tournament. Been following the channel for sometime, really enjoy the commentary, especially the Brenda dialogues!
I think what I'd do to reward the winner of the elimination rounds is put a small amount of the prize pool aside as a "bonus" for the player who doesn't win a match. That way there's a tangible reward for winning every round, but it doesn't impact the actual gameplay of the finals.
From watching this, it seems to me like it is Macro that Clem improved upon in order to become this good . He is constantly producing more units than his opponent and even in TvZ , he is almost never behind in terms of supply.
The series reset makes the most sense. Why does the person from the lower bracket get to lose an entire series and still knock out the upper bracket winner in only one series? That's almost like a disadvantage for being the best player in the tournament. Everyone gets 2 lives. That's fair.
Yeah the problem is how it can make finals go on for so... long... Other games don't have tournament sets that last so long, which is why most other games have that bracket reset
shit our boy is getting fancy with the sport coat. You're such a gem winter. Sub count up about 4k in the past couple weeks ;) you're getting that critical mass!
I think 0-0 should be the score. Oliveira earned his second chance by winning the losers bracket. Where as Clem knows from the start if he wins all the way through he still has to fight one more player for them to reach that double elimination. I understand the 2 best of fives at the end, since that means that the person who loses was actually eliminated twice, and is probably the most fair way to do it.
Completely fair for a 1 game advantage, assuming this was a double elimination bracket, especially in a Bo7. Otherwise, the winner from loser bracket should need to beat the upper bracket winner in the series (Bo5 or Bo3) format twice (which is a valid format). Because the upper bracket winner has never lost, and it's a double elimination bracket.
For real though TvT has all the great parts of terran with none of the shitty parts - widow mines and ghosts aren't completely busted, the players have to integrate both bio & mech into their army, units like Thors, BCs, Vikings, Tanks are extremely relevant, you can really feel different player's styles and stretegies too
The belt idea is boxing, and wresting just uses it. It would be fun to see and you would never need to resize the belt since it's a digital thing for the game.
Maybe in tournament play, the player from the losers back plays random on the first match. Not a guaranteed +1 for the opponent, but could lead to some funny outcomes
The advantage for winning the winners bracket should be that one of your workers is replaced by an infinite , invincible mule, that mines a percentage faster and can build 1 CC/Nex/Hatch at cost
I think when you put on your own tournament you should take away a point from whoever wins the group stage because they’re clearly better and needs a handicap
Why does UA-cam hate mirror matches? I'm subscribed, yet it took me 3 days to find this... I like mirror matches and I'm not pleased that they get such a low priority.
You guys watching? Despite oliveria having 3 fully saturated bases (66+) and a near maxed supply army 190 / 200, all it took was one engagement to end the game. Hence, once toss is near max supply as well, it's important to have proxy gate or warp prisms to stop the imba terran from a comeback
people say that they don't like mirror matches but i like them. it's easier to see who is the "better" player, as they have the have access to the same stuff.
I truly appreciate the frequency of uploads from this channel.
Winter is keeping himself busy for the sake of our entertainment, and deserves the recognition! Thank you Winter for the consistency and dedication!!
Jimmy says he keeps hitting his likes quota.
That and what else would he do with his life.
Yes, thank you Winter, I second this 100%! Thank you so much for providing us great commentary and entertainment behind some truly great games.
Well said and thank you Winter!
9:50 "Oliveira doing a great job microing those helions." -> doesn't micro one helion in time -> "Oliveira doing a pretty good job microing those helions." 🤣🤣
When it's a game between the current world champion and a former world champion, anything less than perfection is underwhelming.
MY youtube is ruined now... anything i watch, no matter what.. comes back to WInter! ... It's ok though.... I'll watch it again anyways i dounno what i'll do with my life
I'm trying to watch more so that DOES happen 😅
Haha 🎉
Lame crossover of Diablo 3
Correct. Once found you can’t avoid it. Fuck I love this channel
The more Winter I watch the cooler the weather outside gets. Coincidence? ... probably
It will probably get better anyways, what else would it do with its..
That's just the fairies of the forest. Give it another 6 months or so and watching Winter will make it warner outside
Winter is coming....
Also, Clem joined the select group of players that can legitimately complain about latency without falling into cope.
His whole adventure in Korea was awesome, and it clearly served him handsomely.
Clem is just on another level, he's basically the Terran's Serral
Feels good to finally see Clem reach something close to his final form.
I have been rooting for him for so long that I got used to the idea that he will only be incredibly good from time to time instead of a more consistent manner like Maru. So glad he went beyond that.
That visit to korea did something to clem
@@byrondanielvilladamagana5828 True.
@@byrondanielvilladamagana5828 Yeah, he 5-0'd Serral - I would have to agree
@@GenePerry if you count the upper bracket, it was 8-0 🔥
@@GenePerry Serral is on military service tho. I'm sad cuz I would a peak Serral to face Clem at worlds
Damn never knew that my home country hosted a SC2 tournament that attracts the big names.
"It's hitbox is notoriously large, much like your mother's" 😂😂😂
gold love it
pumped for some TvT. always wanted to see how Clem dealt with Terrans.
About the tournament: in fighting game this is called “double elimination format”.
Means that to be eliminated you have to lose a match twice! If you lose once, you go to loser bracket, lose twice, bye bye.
This is why the winner of the winner bracket has to have an advantage, he never got eliminated! But if he loses, now he is on equal terms to do winner of the loser bracket (as if he was sent to the loser bracket too to decide the winner)
I watched the Oliviera vs BuyN video yesterday and found myself wishing to sees Clem go up against Oliviera. Thank you winter for your dedication to SC2 🥳🎉
That was one of the better TvT finals I have seen in a while. They do great in Bulgaria!!
This was an exciting match up. TvT can be wildly entertaining.
SC2 is a simple game. Two players fighting against each other in multiple ways for quite a while and at the end, Clem always wins. 😂
If i could ask a single question from these pros it would be "why wouldn't you join the HOA, hatchery owners association.
Perfect timing with the music at 27:00. "After all the fire and fury" as the WoL music from that cutscene plays. Beautifully done, sir!
4:10 - 4:25
i NEVER would've guessed that THAT's HOW it works
this is a revolutionary way of viewing the sc2 pro scene
you just took my world from black'n'white to TECHNOCOLOR!!
Efficiency on Clems side is "only" a consequence, becoming the straw breaking the opponents back. But his sense for position, composition and tatical opportunites, combined with almost instant desicion making and strategy adaption and 99,98% perfect execution is such a treat to watch. Thanks to organizers and caster.
Hey Winter! Absolutely love your stuff, and I wanted to chime in about the brackets for competitions:
I don't know that it originated in the Fighting Game Community (FGC), but the idea of playing an entire extra best of 3 or 5 during double elimination has strong roots in fighting games. The idea is that, if you go undefeated, and then you lose a 'best of' in the final round, you get sent to the losers bracket just like everyone else. But at that point, everyone else from losers has been eliminated, so you just play the same game again against the current leader of the losers bracket. That's where the 2 'best of' games comes from.
I like that way the most, especially for competitive games with double elim, but fighting game rounds are capped out at like 90 or 100 seconds most of the time. Starcraft games are way longer, so I think using a different approach makes a lot of sense. Either way, you mentioned it was confusing, and I wanted to shed some light on why it works that way. Keep up the fucking awesome videos dude!
46:38 - I always thought Winter preferred his tanks "Sunny side UP"
Kappa
This may be a unpopular opinion but I really love high-level terran VS terran after watching dark play over and over
I love hangin out here, and watching the games after work. Thank you Winter. And thank you fans! Never stop having fun. ❤️
Very impressive showing by Clem. Oliveira's TvT is no joke. People criticize Clem's TvT as it's his worse matchup, but this just goes to show he's improving.
The Great Winter Tournament!! Yes please!!!! Live with you casting in real time!! Let's make it happen.
I don't play sc anymore but Winters casts are very entertaining.
High level sc play is amazing to watch
ZvZ - knife fight in a phonebooth
TvT - Chess boxing match
Did winter ever mention what PvP is?
Dogs playing poker I think
Two downies playing Marco polo
@@joshgoulash4889 I like this mental image.
Damn... Clem is so strong right now... Can't wait for clem vs maru
As a new comer to starcraft I don't really know what games are considered "classics", or some of the players in the hearthstone cards! It would be cool to see you do a "best of" starcraft and cast some of the classic games. Love the vids as always
its always stunning to see marines fall this quickly in T v T they don't die like that in any other matchup
mine do ;o)
Well, Marines are the best unit in the game so naturally marines can kill other marines the best😂
@@dylanheflin3666they are not colossi can kill more marines than tanks
@@swagatadhara4257 yeah but Colossi are a terrible unit and tanks are good so that's a big difference
I like the idea of you hosting a tournament winter. I’ll pledge 500 for a big prize pool if you ever announce it!
Never Imagine the day, I will be watching a starcraft commentary with a southern accent.
Winner's Bracket should their map choice in Game One. If it's an unfavourable map for the opposing race, then the advantage is you get a better map without it being loser's choice and likely go 1-0 up. If it's a mirror, maybe you've got a pocket strat for a specific map or you just have a preferred map you want to play on because it's a comfort pick.
I'm from Bulgaria! I don't even know what exactly does it mean that we are hosting it, but hell yeah! I feel honored
It would be great to have you organise and host a tournament. Been following the channel for sometime, really enjoy the commentary, especially the Brenda dialogues!
" dont think thats necessarily a good idea" you are better at this duty than you think sir
I think what I'd do to reward the winner of the elimination rounds is put a small amount of the prize pool aside as a "bonus" for the player who doesn't win a match. That way there's a tangible reward for winning every round, but it doesn't impact the actual gameplay of the finals.
Jimmy appreciation comment. He always works so hard crunching those numbers.
Here yet again making my day a little bit better and humbly asking Brenda to cast a game of sc2
From watching this, it seems to me like it is Macro that Clem improved upon in order to become this good . He is constantly producing more units than his opponent and even in TvZ , he is almost never behind in terms of supply.
The series reset makes the most sense. Why does the person from the lower bracket get to lose an entire series and still knock out the upper bracket winner in only one series? That's almost like a disadvantage for being the best player in the tournament. Everyone gets 2 lives. That's fair.
Yeah the problem is how it can make finals go on for so... long... Other games don't have tournament sets that last so long, which is why most other games have that bracket reset
Yeah so despite my unabashed fanboyism for Oliveira, Clem's very clearly the best Terran in the world and probably the best player in the world.
Not probably he is the best right now. No one come even close to him.
shit our boy is getting fancy with the sport coat. You're such a gem winter. Sub count up about 4k in the past couple weeks ;) you're getting that critical mass!
So proud of my country Bulgaria for this tournament
Love the whole shtick you do on every video. Thanks for all the great games, brother
I think 0-0 should be the score. Oliveira earned his second chance by winning the losers bracket. Where as Clem knows from the start if he wins all the way through he still has to fight one more player for them to reach that double elimination.
I understand the 2 best of fives at the end, since that means that the person who loses was actually eliminated twice, and is probably the most fair way to do it.
always the best cast of starcraft 2!
That Viking vs Liberator fight thou
TvT might be the most fun mirror match
Sincerest ty for the content. Im officially a clem fan and dint know it
Completely fair for a 1 game advantage, assuming this was a double elimination bracket, especially in a Bo7. Otherwise, the winner from loser bracket should need to beat the upper bracket winner in the series (Bo5 or Bo3) format twice (which is a valid format). Because the upper bracket winner has never lost, and it's a double elimination bracket.
Try using green and purple colours
TvT my fav matchup to watch! Yay
For real though TvT has all the great parts of terran with none of the shitty parts - widow mines and ghosts aren't completely busted, the players have to integrate both bio & mech into their army, units like Thors, BCs, Vikings, Tanks are extremely relevant, you can really feel different player's styles and stretegies too
Awesome TvT!!! There is nothing more intersting in Starcraft 🎉
In a best of 7, getting 1 "free" win should be fine to balance entertainment & fairness.
I heard Diddy hosts some crazy SC2 tournaments
as a terran player... THIS was the game of the year
I love TvT. You can get even Battlecruisers
Does anybody else get confused when they see Jimmy in a suit coat? It's almost like we're not about to enjoy peak Jimmy.
What an Absolute Blood Bath
This was the Warhammer40K version of Marine on Marine violence…
wow, you are so funny! Loved the Edger Allen Poe reference!
Does Clem have a Hardee’s star in front of his command centers? I didn’t know Hardee’s was part of SC2!! 😂
Yay for colorblind people! Red is green now :D
Days getting a little bit better 💪
I slapped that "like button" like it stole my bike.
The belt idea is boxing, and wresting just uses it. It would be fun to see and you would never need to resize the belt since it's a digital thing for the game.
TvT is so delicate.
Olivera is a tough cookie
love me some mirror matchups, rare treat
Maybe have the player who is the winner’s bracket winner choose the maps or something to that effect?
lol I would have never clicked if i knew it was TvT. Good call.
Let's Go Winter 🎉🎉🎉!!
Maybe in tournament play, the player from the losers back plays random on the first match. Not a guaranteed +1 for the opponent, but could lead to some funny outcomes
"its hitbox is surprisingly large much like your mothers" lovely :D
Wooo!
Winter, you gotta share your voice preservation strategy with us at some point. Do you just gulp aloe vera continuously?
Hey! How dare you assume my mom's hit box is pretty large? Jk love the content!🤗
Winter GOAT!
The advantage for winning the winners bracket should be that one of your workers is replaced by an infinite , invincible mule, that mines a percentage faster and can build 1 CC/Nex/Hatch at cost
Cheers from Bulgaria ❤
CLEM
I think when you put on your own tournament you should take away a point from whoever wins the group stage because they’re clearly better and needs a handicap
I've tried watching other commentators...but no one comes close to Winter. He always finds a way to make my day just a little bit better
Give Jimmy a pay increase and benefits! 😂
Awesome games. TvT can be a little bit tiresome to watch but these ones were awesome.
I'm a big fan of team liquid since liquid Taeja...go Clem
The Ravens fly!
I’m a simple man. I see Clem, I click.
Thank You
Om nom nom
Much like your mother’s line again. Never gets old!
When you see a new winter vid click on it notice it's tvt ... Let's just leave
I am here just so I dont have to think about something else of which I cant remember
how do we do for have this cool colors,like you you got silver.????
Why does UA-cam hate mirror matches? I'm subscribed, yet it took me 3 days to find this... I like mirror matches and I'm not pleased that they get such a low priority.
hoping always TERRAN player will be no 1
Day 58.. Brenda t shirt...
"Get off my CREEP!"
You guys watching? Despite oliveria having 3 fully saturated bases (66+) and a near maxed supply army 190 / 200, all it took was one engagement to end the game.
Hence, once toss is near max supply as well, it's important to have proxy gate or warp prisms to stop the imba terran from a comeback
people say that they don't like mirror matches but i like them. it's easier to see who is the "better" player, as they have the have access to the same stuff.
Clem has gone from Byun cosplayer to a perfected Olivera. It's been wild to watch