beacuse he try to make it more deeper here it the start so he talk about ez things like if you come to 5 years old boy you will teach him 1+1=2 and after that 10+10=20 and now we are in a bit more hard subjack then this -intp man
The funniest thing to me is when Chase is like ; Lets try and see if we can write this down on this whiteboard for you, and then, The sun is getting in the way, this doesnt work, I guess I have to figure this out later, who cares, anyways, and then just continues and goes straight into the video. This is so great and fascinating to me, because my fucking Se inferior would 100 % stop and do like 5 re-shoots of this shit until its basically "perfect" . At this moment I was thinking to myself, I like this guy. I just love that he just dont care about the visuals and estethics of these videos. Because the focus is 100 % on the Content in these videos, which actually makes me trust him 100% more,. I think this is One of the best moments in this entire UA-cam channel in my opinion 😆😆
As an INTJ, I think it's not always just a need for credentials per say. Status does motivate us to speak and impress with our knowledge. Also, in terms of trusting those with credentials more, I think that is mostly true but I would also say its significantly has to do with whether the source is trustworthy or has proved itself. For example you, you have no credentials but I trust you because you made complete sense in your first video so I stuck with you. You have the status of a trustworthy source I suppose.
The reason why C.S sounds trustworthy is probably because he's extroverted and good at public speaking. When it comes to introverts our ideas are normally blown out of the water by Te personality types. Even introverts with credentials struggle to have their ideas taken seriously. Einstein was a good example of this, he worked for nearly 10 years in a patent office because nobody took him seriously as a scientist.
@@AM-qi3xy Einstein worked in a patent office, so he can work in his theories independently. Also because he likes and comfortable with the environment, which is very Si child.
That's because you're responsible with te (and have a little ti your shadow). I may be wrong but it is my understanding that xxfps would be less mature with te and would be satisfied with the credentials. Also along that line of thinking, te hero may have a similar attitude because it is optimistic. Again, I may be wrong. For whatever it's with this is from a ti parent pov
Te is such an awesome cognitive function to have in the dominant regions of the ego. I have mine in the inferior position which sometimes sucks only because for some reason I feel like if i'm in a room with people with more credentials than me I feel really lame and shy but in conversations where I have more knowledge I can be an awesome teacher/ debater almost to the point of being a little arrogant. I'm pretty sure these are lower functioning aspects of this function, but Te also is a great systemizer. It's the part of me (and maybe other INFP types) that drives my hunger for knowledge and sometimes status, motivates me to study my butt off, and RATIONALLY organize my millions of Fi feelings and Ne possibilities.
INTJ here. I love reading these comments. I'm noticing things I hadn't noticed before. Like that I want people to think I'm smart, so if there's someone else in the conversation who has evidence of knowledge (e.g. a degree or work experience) of whatever we're talking about, I keep my mouth shut even if I have something to say. I hate to be embarrassed or look stupid. There's a type out there that makes me feel like a child just by being there. I feel timid, unimportant and kind of blank as if I were in the background instead of right there in the conversation. Sometimes I even forget that I have a point of view. It's always a man, never a woman. I hate it. Is it likely for that type to be ENTJ? I love ENTPs. You're interesting and I feel safe talking to you. I forget myself, which is amazing and wonderful. Thanks for that.
It's possible that it could be ESTJ. I know that feeling too, when they acknowledge anything I have to say with a mocking tone, with that condescending little smirk and sometimes a scoff. Makes me feel so angry yet so powerless.
As an INTJ, for me Te is more about empirical evidence and the statistical probability that something is true. I don’t ignore someone without credentials. But I do think it’s ignorant to discredit something purely on the basis that you don’t understand it. For example, I was trying to describe Jungian Typology to a coworker ENTP and within a few minutes he made up his mind that it was false. I’d never (or at least I try not to) make up my mind before examining the validity of the claim. I might explain my initial thoughts or theories for the fun of it, but I wouldn’t put any weight on my claims till I gathered more information. I think that’s more intellectually humbling, to realize that your initial thoughts could be wrong, and that you never start off magically knowing a topic. It also sorta annoys me when people bring up influential people in the past who thought outside the box in relation to their thoughts being valid. The fact that we know their names, and not the names of the vast majority who discovered information through building on an already set concept, shows that trailblazers are statistically less common. Also, the person themselves are more likely to have a false theory than be discovering something new. And if a whole bunch of people believe something, it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true, it just means it’s statistically more likely to be true than some conspiracy theory. Ti can be right, and it’s brilliant when it is. But it’s like winning the lottery.
thanks for your comment! I also think I might be a INTJ and I also never would absolutely say no to something or disregard it without actually searching for more info about it before I can be absolutely sure of what I believe. So I guess thats really Te here
I mean we don't have these functions, two people must disscuss it (INTJ and INTP/ ENTJ and ENTP / INFJ and INFP, etc). As INTP I always looked up for sources, INTJ professor made me inconfident when asked on what bases I made my assumptions, first I realised study books are very forgetful because the authors avoid complicated tasks for general audience, then I decided to rise up the confidence by learning information straight from pubmed, so my answer will be "Well I've read couple of articles on this subject recently, don't remember the authors but it was about this and that the title was this, you can check it out".
That's a really good point man. A close friend of mine has inferior Te. I'm starting to realize now just how him and I create a log jam in a lot of conversations now. I will present a piece of information toward him, and his judgement of that information is so much more subjective than I had originally thought when I first knew him. Just like that ENTP you mentioned. It's not logic that is first met with his understanding of the information, it's how he feels about it. I've started to recognize how I wont even finish speaking, and he will already express a judgement about something with a certain tonality in his voice. Like I can already see he has worked it out as factual or truth even when I havent reached the conclusion of that information. Does that make sense? It's starting to wear on our relationship, as I cant fully express and idea, concept, piece of knowledge, without him grabbing 30% of the information, and just disregarding it all. He's a wonderful friend in many ways, but yeah... Leaves for a pretty shallow relationship
I’ve been studying jungian analytical psychology for about 4 years now on and off and I’ve never came across a comment that I relate to so much until just now
I really appreciate how real and straight forward you are. It’s totally awesome, and this is great content. It’s wonderful that you are all about quality info without ego getting in the way. Thank you!
ENTP professional medical provider here. Thanking God for the gifts He has bestowed for the benefit of us thru your ENTP gestalt! It is so encouraging to find an expert like you who validated my ENTP mind. I have learned I’m not a weirdo in the world of practicing medicine - I can SEE the facts and how they crystallize into pathology via connected pathways - whereas “by the cookbook medicine” practitioner types don’t see the connections and come question me - fortunately God have me this ENTP mind and I’m able to show them the connections and apply this gift to improve my patients health 👍🏻 in you I have found a respected ENTP peer - To God be the glory you have answered your high calling and are achieving your potential 🙏🏻
I dated someone who I've narrowed down to ISTJ and after watching this I have real life examples of Te from him. 1) could not have a conversation about an original thought with him without him asking me to site all my sources. Do people actually memorize sources of everything they read?? 2) you walk into his house and the only decorations on his walls are plaques and framed degrees 3) he would freak out of you do anything in public to draw any attention to yourself or him 4) any topic he talked about he'd show me links to sources or cite them 5) every time he drove his car he'd use an app that told him the best route based on road conditions and other statistics
I only watched a few INTJ videos at first, but I found it so informative and educational that I started watching your videos from season 1. I wish I had found your channel earlier. Very good work my friend!
I'm an INFP and I actually wondered how did you learn everything you know. I started watching your videos after seeing many people commenting in the MBTI community that you knew what you were talking about (Yeah, external opinions. Hello, Te). I'm an INFP and I swear, confirmation bias is a BIG ISSUE for me, and I think this is the most aware I've been of it thanks to your videos, not because you've told me so (which would be a humilliating irony, XD) but because you've encouraged me to check my own thinking. A good example of my poor Ti is that when I got ENFJ the first time I took an MBTI test, I completely believed it and it "totally made sense for me". Then, when I got INFJ (it TOTALLY made sense for me again, lol), I believed it for a year and didn't bother to do my own research. I legit thought I was an INFJ based on standard behavioral trends and confirmation-biased myself through memes, Instagram posts of dubious origin and most upvoted quora and personality cafe comments (I'm not proud of that but my only interest in MBTI back then was finding info I could relate to and give myself a pat on the back from time to time). I'd go like "well, I'm very empathetic and I don't think I'm selfish and I have door slammed people many times so I must be an INFJ". But then I'd start to doubt my type again when I didn't fit with the stereotype. For example, I always end up listening to people's problems like an INFJ would, but I... don't? always? want? to???? And many times I find myself silently questioning how did I end up talking about the childhood traumas or the deep desires of x person, while still listening to them. When this happened I'd tell myself that if I was a true INFJ I'd thrive on listening others. That I'd feel kind of self-realized and not drained. In fact, I secretly tend to feel intolerant towards others' lack of self resolution, and I can definetely feel irritated if someone dismisses my POV or advice and still complains about their problems (but I rarely smack others about it {unless it becomes unbearable, or I'm in a bad mood} because it makes me feel really uncomfortable and I fear I can come across as harsh, Te inferior). Learning about the functions has been the only way for me to make sure which are the ones I use the most. I don't relate to INFPs who complain about your videos. I personally love your content and your authentic, no bullshit, laid back attitude makes everything more dynamic. Your examples are also pretty cool and I'd really appreciate you used more. You're super passionate about this topic and it shows, keep up the good work!
My dad is an ISTJ and he reads the dictionary. Like, not just referring to the dictionary when he wants a word, but he literally READS it as if it’s a novel :P ISTJs drive me crazy sometimes but theyre great
I'm an ENFP, and as a kid I would find random big words in the dictionary so that I could be "smarter" than my friends by using big words in regular conversation. I may or may not still do this. I love big words and I love finding FUNNY big words so my jokes are smart. I don't even know what this means about me, but this ENFP loves funny big words that no one else knows the meanings to.
my sj mother used to read me from a book called 1000 whats and 1000 whys, instead of stories, so in kindergarten when we were ask to talk about something, i spoke about how precipitation happens ...
INTJ here. You are correct, I do like the credentials I have from my vocational schools and I’ve been to community college. It’s a standard I have held for myself. It’s been a really great experience for me. I, however, don’t look down on others for lack of schooling as long as they have shown significant amount of being self taught in the field and they have a pattern of competency in what they are teaching. For example, you have proven to me that you are a very competent self taught personality types and you continually work on your craft and expertise... the application of what you teach has proven accurate. Until recently, I thought that I was more objective than subjective. I do apply both but I never realized how subjective I can be. You are on of my favorites. Keep up the good work. I am trying to get through all of your material... eventually. 😁
I am an INTJ; a connoisseur of knowledge. I could tell after a few minutes of your videos that you were the real deal. I am surprised you have no formal training but that makes your knowledge that more impressive. Thank you for what you do.
12:00 thank you for this. This explains why my ENTJ SO was very upset when my parents were laughing at him the other day. They were just joking with him about his age and about how he is “too young” to have problems or stress. But it was in a public setting and really bothered him. I will make sure to take note of this for future reference to make sure he is respected the way he wants to be respected. -INFJ
wow . as an entj these specific comments get my fired up so quickly. recently my family slightly shamed me and i just left then and there . i cannot handle feeling disrespected or shamed . i only go where i’m loved . but it’s a good point that i shouldn’t be so sensitive to these things. i wonder what the path to a stronger self worth would be. i’ll probably figure it out by the end of the day though😂 do some research. okay bye ! i appreciate your comment !
I can totally relate to it as an ENFP. I love to ABSORB information. But I do make my own conclusions at the end and I go with what feels the most correct to me and it DOESN'T always align with the majority ! Probably something to do with my Fi. Anyhow, so excited to learn more!! Subscribed as well!
Ok now I'm doubting if I'm am ENFP or if I'm an ENTP who's been brainwashed into thinking that I need to engage in extraverted thinking rather than introverted thinking. When you provided the example of gaining credentials, I see that happening with so many people in the world, chasing degrees and certifications for validation's sake. God I'm still so grateful for your channel - you are challenging my thinking which I very much appreciate! Thanks so much!
Wow! Great points about Te’s quest for knowledge through the attainment of degrees, certification and letters. I think that might be partly why extroverted thinkers do so well in school.
rebeka talebi Or maybe more that that they are good at assessing, understanding and evaluating external knowledge and systems quickly, where as a Ti thinker often needs to analyze from the bottom up and test and verify new knowledge throroughly against their own thinking - often inclined to rediscover the wheel. I can completely understand and in some way metnally adopt a system even when I don’t believe in it. Believing something is true is not a requirement for me to be willing and able to understand and be interested in a system. Take for example astrology. I don’t necessarily believe in it but I found it fascinating to study it and understand its thinking and the perspective it offers. The same goes for various religions. I can throw up and associate and half believe in a theoretical way many divergent systems at the same time, which allows a creativity and flexibility in thinking that many - much more accurate and truth driven - Ti users can’t achieve. This allows me also to ve able to help others with very divergent belief systems understand each other and to mediate between them as well.
@@MrBezigebij NE makes up for how rigid SI/TI can be what you just described i do it too yet I'm an INTP. We filter out information, and make connections through NE. so why not be open to multiple belief systems even though they aren't true? That's what I'm trying to get at anyway.
My father is an ESTJ and it is very funny because in family discussions I noticed that he never gives his opinion, my mother (ISFJ) and my brother (ESTP) argue, I (infp) laugh at them and I also listen and absorb their points of view. (their topics of conversation are generally not serious)
All humans are thought vampires to a certain extent. Its the ability to make true/false judgements regarding thoughts which separates Te and Ti. If CS Joseph was fat, had poor hygiene and spoke like he was from Alabama would you still take him seriously? This is the difference between Ti and Te. We are able to extract truth from experts and unreliable sources that society shuns because our truth is generated internally from our own personal true/false judgments.
@@savvageorge Not really. That last part is more associated towards Ti going down deep rabbit holes. Ti is more likely to look at sources that consensus would view as unreliable because Ti cares less about certification experts and more about what they think about it not what others think. Ti doesn't care about consensus because it's about personal understanding and individual thinking which means it will consider many things including data that is outside the realm of what the collective deems relevant. Consensus Te has it's place in society (in fact consensus Te rules collective society for good reason) but it's difficult for Te to wrap around their heads and take in ideas that don't conform to the majority especially if those ideas aren't proven or the sources aren't certified (peer reviewed etc). Te really exists to challenge individual Ti users. If Ti users data and subsequent ideas proven through the information they provide are good enough to challenge the status quo and consensus to the point Te recognizes it, it then becomes a part of consensus where the collective collects it and zeitgeist knowledge grows.
My auxiliary function is extraverted thinking and I am light years from believing, as you believe, that so-called "valid credentials" are "all important." As an example, when I interview people for a job interview, I read their credentials out of courtesy, but that's not what I am looking for. The best clerical person I have ever had was a junior college drop out (because of a pregnancy). In the interview, with an intent look on her face, she said, "if I don't know how to do something, I will find out how to do it, then from that point I'll know." I hired her, and she was par excellance.
Mark Odekirk , awesome, I do not disagree with you. However, the vast majority of Te users, especially Te child and Te inferior are very focused on the “status” that such credentials bring them. Furthermore, I have experienced it plenty with Te parents and a few times with ESTJs. ENTJs however are different. They don’t care about credentials that much which is why ENTPs like myself jive with them so well. So for an ESTJ, traditionally speaking, prefers an “expert” and will not take the risk on non-credentialed people. ISTJs draw a lot of pride out of the letters that are passed their name and they take it very seriously. INTJs its a mix, depends on how mature they are etc. Anyway, I don’t disagree with your anecdotal evidence, but when looking at all Te users compared to Ti users, there is a definite bias towards people who have credentials vs those who do not (yet have proven track records to be more effective than those with letters after their name) The younger the Te user, the more they value credentials.
C.S. Joseph Well, my own MBTI code is INTJ, and I have always trumpeted the fact that the only college I have personally participated in is a welding class (to keep things repaired around my shop). I am smart, and I have no papers to bolster (make valid) that fact. So, for me, I love trumpeting my lack of education, especially at my mother-in-law's country club.
I concur...credentials are super important to me ( ENTJ), I have always valued more the opinion of those who have a lengthy educational background over the empirical ones.
I was cracking my brain thinking about this status and credentials issue because I have Te parent and i disregard any status or credentials. I see any information as neutral and use my rational thinking to decide. Thanks for the explanation Chase.
Same! I am an ISFP, but as soon as someone starts to bring up any kind of credentials, red flags go off in my mind. I am more about the strategies and experiences someone brings to the table. I'm especially skeptical with religion- as soon as someone even says they are "such and such", I take everything with a grain of salt. I'd rather see their actions and decide for myself. However, I have been burned with religion and marketing schemes in the past, because I did go along with it and found out the hard way all the lies that exist there. So perhaps as an ISFP with inferior Te, because of those negative experiences, it might be a Ti demon response? I don't know, I'm just starting to figure all this out.
To all the people who think that this analysis is inconsistent because they have Te but they don't care about credentials much and what the majority says, this analysis was entirely correct in a sense. Some of the characteristics of Te are influenced by their information gathering functions.
I'm a Te and I've learned that it is all about skills rather than credentials. I've met so many people with credentials that SUCK. Credentials don't equal performance. But I think that still aligns with Te. I definitely find myself finding info and constantly synthesizing it so it can be applied.
Credentials I end up using though are thinks like clear mastery of a topic or for scenarios where it's demonstrable, if they have ever actually done what they are talking about. I download a lot from my ENTP friends (especially one around business ) and INTP friends around things like politics.
In this video at least, you don't understand Te at all. You go on to apply Si/Te and Te/Si behavior to intuitives, which is a grievous error. Because it's those function stacks that cause someone to cite facts, and sources, and undervalue original thought (in their defense, they just want to know you are an expert, and compare your opinions to other experts, before deciding to listen to you). But if you think that NTs like XNTJ are only about citing the known facts, and not having original thoughts, you don't know what you are talking about. Sorry. Tesla and Elon Musk might beg to differ, as will any XNTJ who is busy bringing their creative ideas into fruition in the real world. In reality, all 4 NTs are abstract thinkers, though the XNTJs tend to be more practical. Te isn't at all what you said it was. Te is about testing our thoughts external to us, rather than internal. Te will test ideas in the real world, with real people, and real objects. Ideas will be refined via discourse. Theories will be tested. Plans will be implemented. Te is practical. Ti users might see this as "speaking before you are certain about a topic". Which is true. That's exactly what Te does. 2 heads is better than one, so the sooner you air your ideas, the faster you will find out about their flaws. Says a Te user, anyway. Te doesn't mind making mistakes (even if Ni does), because those mistakes can be corrected as you go. Ti is a little different, as you will tend to polish your thoughts internally before revealing them. A Te user might see this as a waste of time. Ti is mostly theoretical, caring less about application than understanding. "Have a good idea what might be the truth, before you speak to others about it", says Ti user. Ti seeks understanding for understanding's sake. And airing ideas before they are fully formed might be seen by Ti as "Misleading others". I understand this is one of your earlier videos, and that you don't actually understand Te that well as an ENTP. So I'm not trying to discourage you here. But your understanding of Te is misinformed in this video. Looking at the comments, it's clear you've been educated about 1000x over, so I'm sure you have a better understanding now. I caught one of your season 13 videos which was excellent, so let's not obsess about the past. However, If you want to understand why people are quite disturbed by the video, imagine yourself if ENTP was described as ESTP. As if the two were identical. "You like sensory experiences, you ENTPs, but you're not big on deeper thinking, preferring only to bully people into agreement. You know, that's ENTPs, right? Not much about original thought, just about senseless debate for the sake of ego". This should help to illustrate why people object to you conflating XNTJs and XSTJs. I'm going to shut up now, because I know that ENTPs can be quite wounded by their past mistakes.
We all have all both Ti and Te. You need to go watch his other videos in which he describes how each function behaves in each function stack.The xNTJ thing you said, if you're one, just look back when you were immature and you can see that you only collected fact and never thought about them because you saw a UA-cam video or read it on some site. Then when you actually started using Ti critic or nemesis and Fi is when you became more mature and thought critically. I started using these when people would point out that I didn't know what I was talking about and was just spiting out facts to impress them.
@@egomaniac7230 Thanks for clarifying this for me. All of these cognitive functions have been confusing the hell out of me as they apply in the real world to people I know. It makes more since when you talk about the developmental processes. It appears that development makes one more neutral and balanced, less deficient in certain areas.
I just starting learning about cognitive function types this past year. I have a few little letters behind name. I love a credited source. Not all cred comes from institutions. Just saying!!! Mmm Kay!! I feel I absorb this complex information best from your lectures and personality hacker. I don't know that you need me to give you props but you are well informed, well spoken, and entertaining too. So psttt at all the people who think negative about you and your passion for this knowledge. 👍🙏😏
I am a student at the end of the semester and today I just got a bad grade. And yeah my Te inferior got triggered. I am afraid of being seen as stupid by my classmates, who are quite smart. But then :)) I realized that one year ago I was having the exact same problem, except I had no idea where all this frustration was coming from, because I didn't know about the cognitive functions at that time. I was so happy to see how much I've learned that I immediately started feeling better. THANK YOU.
I’m a INTJ and I wouldn’t hate someone if they embarrassed me. In fact I don’t really get embarrassed because I don’t care about other people’s opinion if their opinion is emotionally based. If you crush me with knowledge and data I will listen and use that information for my next battle
My moto is, "All my best ideas are other peoples'." That's why I'm quick to give credit to someone else when I steal an excellent idea. I know I'm terrible with a blank page. My close group of friends have played table-top RPGs for 30 years. I usually run the game. When I come up with a cool idea for a game, it's always something from another source that inspires me, and then I grab 5 or 6 concepts from other sources and piece them together to "make it my own". Usually, I start with a general concept that I want to create a scenario for. It's kind of like having a very general idea for a story arc, but without any details or actual plot points. Then I find a set of major plot points across multiple media that I can use to craft the arc I wanted to create. Then I tweak the details and fill in any cracks to make it more "unique" and cohesive. For me, the creative aspect is finding the pieces that accomplish the goal, not creating something from nothing. I'm an INTJ.
IDK. That is debatable. What is original thought? If you come up with a new invention it's still going to be made of existing earth elements that you didn't create. The processes of melting gold with mercury for example. It depends on how you look at it. I assume the INTJ would see a complex web of everything being connected somehow. Others may see your game idea as being a brand new concept because it wouldn't have occurred without your input. A matter of perspective IMO. It took creativity for your game to evolve, otherwise you would just be shooting dice. If ideas came from other people then where did they get theirs?
I have pretty bad memory so it's always good to come back to the basics/beginning. I start to remember shit like Oh that's why I value other peoples opinions, make decisions based off majority rules ___ true, etc.
As a INFJ with TE trickster this video gave me some slight anxiety lol and I found myself thinking throughout your explanation " Stats, data etc can easily be made up in order for the person or organization etc to achieve personal motivates and control over others, our government does it all the time " lol thank you for all you do Chase! Blessings 😊
intj (a PREDOMINANT Te user) here. Te to me IS putting into action/out in reality the thoughts or desires you have out in the real world. Te ABSOLUTELY IS VERY ACTION oriented. it is ABSOLUTELY NOT feeding on the thoughts of others. instead, it ABSOLUTELY IS ABSOLUTELY ACTION oriented. Te ABSOLUTELY IS ALL, ENTIRELY about OUTPUT and ABSOLUTELY NOT input. NO MORE, NO LESS. and, ABSOLUTELY FUCK group think. ABSOLUTELY. FOR SURE. - (again) INTJ
I'm INTJ and i agree with few points. Like yeah in small group we gather a lot of data. Personally i do a lot polls on specific topics on Reddit. When someone breaks my opinion it hurts. Well i initially at denial mode to that credential/status argument but after thorough analysis i do realize i do value credentials but very rarely only in specific cases. I used to value status a lot in school but now i don't value it that much.
I'm INTJ. I find that I give you credibility because I give Jungian Typology credibility, because I give all systems credibility as long as they maintain their internal consistency as I delve into them.
Amazing video @CS Joseph, as an ENTJ this is really illuminating for me and incredibly applicable. My question is in your experience with those who have high Te do you find that their "credential requirements" vary? For example, you not having a degree in psychology is not a turn off for me because I see the work that you've put in, the information that you've provided, and the credibility that you've built up on your channel. You don't have to be a part of Myers Briggs, for me to consider you credible. It's the same in business for me, someone having a degree isn't a turnoff if they can show me documentation that their business is flourishing and they know their stuff, it's more of a production/results oriented credential for me rather than having a title. Some of the best mentors I've ever had were high school/college dropouts but had real world experience and resiliency to keep learning and growing.
I'm an ENFP and I trust what you say more that MBTI, As long as what you say make sense compare to what I've read or experienced before, or when applied it actually work, That's way enough 😊
Previous video: "Hey guys, this is CS Joseph. Today we'll be talking about slots." This video: "Hey guys, CS Joseph here. Today we'll be talking about thots." I like where this is headed 😀
As an ENFP, and hearing what you say about credentials, I suppose because my personal values just don't align with things like titles and hierarchies and all that crap, I think that if someone around me is simply talking the best talk out of all the people I've heard, then to me they are the most qualified, regardless of what an educational system deems qualifiable, ya know? So when you talk about this in-depth with confidence, I trust that you've done the research you have and synthesised it into your own way of interpreting and conveying that information, and so to me that makes everything you say valid
HAHA after you said "If you make fun of them in front of people, they'll hate you forever" I thought of yesterday when I sorta looked down on my INTJ friend... -ESFJ
As an INTJ while i do care about not getting embarassed sometimes when it comes to getting what i want or achieving my goal i don’t really mind. Like I’ll choose temporary embarassment over not getting it. And with statistics while i do look at them and i don’t really let them decide my future. Like i wanna be an architect , interior designer and i also want my own fashion line and my teacher is like”most architects become successful after the age of 35.” And im like”no I’ll be sooner” or it could be like”most people buy their first property at the age of x” and i am be like”I’ll get it sooner”. Like i mostly listen to people that achieved what i want to achieve or live a life that i want for myself. The thing is you’re supposed to make statistics work in your favour.
Education, especially higher education trains you to Te(research, citations, etc.), not to mention many employers require Te. I relate so much to how you describe Te, but fairly certain I'm ISFJ.
INTJ here. When I got my Ph.S in philosophy and logic I was throwing that shit around LOOL. I'm now doing a master's in psychotherapy and spiritual care. I run my own practice as a philosophical counsellor. I find I don't care for elected authority or really authority in general. But people who just move up in companies with no other reason but being given the job never registers as status to me. I work a government job on side the my supervisor is an absolute dumbass and demands respect because he has the 'supervisor' title. I obviously don't respect him because he's a dumbass but his lack of credentials and only having a high school education makes him completely untrustworthy. I tested as an ENTP for the longest time and it broke my heart my professor flat out said I definitely wasn't an ENTP but an INTJ instead. I still feel the heartbreak and recently found this channel which has really helped me embrace the way of the INTJ. Thanks again for the video even though I'm super late to finding them haha.
I see quite a few people disagreeing with your viewpoint of Te, but I think you have a point. I disagree in the sense that Te itself is simply one cognitive function, and a personality constitutes of a precarious balance between multiple. It would have been better if you mentioned that this is what Te does, not extraverted thinkers (as they refer to actual people, and people are multidimensional, not just Te) but I agree in you saying Te has no thoughts of their own, as they function on 'extra' and rationale. Especially as an ENTJ, it's really easy to get lost in trying to make sense of the world around me and what is there. That is the reason I think Fi is so important for ENTJs to function. I find that amidst the whirlwind of information and opinions of the modern era, the only thing that actually enables me to come up with thoughts, ideas and solutions of my own is Fi. As hard as it was to develop my Fi, it gave me a sense of moral compass, a broader sense of empathy and depth in identity, not superficiality.
And I did write this prior to finishing the whole video, and the more I see it, the more I think you've had bad experience with unhealthy extraverted thinkers haha. Those are just the manifestation of overworked Te + possibly repressed Fi, not extraverted thinkers in general. Any function has the potential of toxicity, just in different forms. Te does tend to be a bit obnoxious in the manifestation, hope you don't think too badly of it lmao
Hey, Chase! I know you don't mention that question that much in the video, but I wanted to talk about Te inferior. I've it as inferior function and what I think is that there's something lacking in your explanation, and it's how much we distrust it (as well we desire it). I mean, we use it too, but at the same time, we oppose it with our Fi, so basically, at least how it works for me, is more or less like this: Oh, this is what people think! What do I feel about it? Do I agree or not? If I agree there's no problem, but if I don't... well, that will provoke a HUGE conflict. Because a part of me trust it and wants to do it as well (for example, in my personal case it's above all: academic field and relationships, for example) but the other part is like: NOOOOO! You don't have to trust what society tells you to do! It's wrong! People don't consider your OWN needs or feelings! You don't have to do it if you think it's not the right thing! Another case of distrusting it is for example when I meet new people. I'm super anxious about what they will think about me and trying to be as polite and "normal" as I can (I've suffered bullying as a child, so having Te as inferior and Fe as nemesis, well... you can imagine what happens... xDDD) but a part of me wants to be true to "what I am" as well... So it's actually a hard time for me to meet new people, above all group of people because I distrust them (that's probably my personal experience, as well). So yeah, I would say that a part of us really wants these credentials or approval but it's always in conflict with our Fi who tells us to stay true to what we feel. Until you mature and you try to balance your Fi and increase and accept your Te (I think is a huge deal for us to accept the Te because it means admiting that we actually want some of the things we constantly critisise). I hope that was helpful and not too out of place! And thank you again for your videos! :)
I can relate to your experience! I'm an ISFP & my dad's most probably an ESTJ (or an ENTJ) so when we had a discussion about what's better, having freedom of thought with okay life (stereotypical social govt), or stable life with restricted thoughts (stereotypical authoritarian govt) he prefers the latter while I prefer the former, but I also don't deny the latter totally... it's the love-hate relationship with that idea
As an ENFP and having Te Child, is this why I can't make a freaking decision without asking everyone around me if my choice is the best choice? Like for everything from what color of paint I want to use in my kitchen or where we should eat for dinner. I seriously don't even take a bath in the evening without asking my husband if it's okay that I go take a bath. If so, WHY!? I know it makes no difference to anyone else if I paint my kitchen gray or if I go to San Chez for dinner or if I take a bath - so why do I feel it necessary to ask someone else's permission or opinion for mundane tasks!?
I do this constantly. I will almost always overrule their opinion if it opposes my own, but I crave the feedback either way. But it eventually leaves some people feeling used or like I don't really listen, when I do not follow their guidance 😔
Very interesting. I'm an INTJ, and it took me a while to understand this explanation. I'm a guy who has earned a lot of success in life in spite of the fact that I'm mostly self-educated. My highest degree is an Associate's Degree. So, I don't put much stock in titles/degrees/credentials in others, nor do I look down on those who lack those things. Having said all that, I realize that my personal status is very tied to how people see me and my integrity. I also realize that I tend to pull out the old "I'm an industry expert with 20 years of experience", as well as the fact that I used to give talks for an industry group. So, you're absolutely correct that it's important for my own self-worth. In fact, in this video Chase mentions the fact that some Te users will leave a group if their status is questioned. I nearly quit my current job, because I had a couple of people tear down my integrity behind my back. It was an immense blow to my ego, and the only saving grace was knowing that my boss and his boss (VP of Ops) didn't buy it, and both spoke up for me. But man, talk about being insanely furious!
You're usually on point CSJ, but this one is a little off base. I'm an ENTJ and I care more about what is true and what is not than what everyone else thinks. I just like to have proof that it is correct. If there's proof then people can't say something is false. I do like to take in other peoples ideas and what they believe to be true and see if it actually lines up with reality. I think Ti is more of something being true without any proof of it being true. It's like having an idea in theory ,but never putting it to the test. I think Te users need it to be tested out to see if it really is true within reality.
I think Gary V is a mature ENFJ. His consistent, in-depth insight on values & ethics is on par. He is always vulnerable with his struggles and experiences and then gives feedback on his growth. I've heard some of his morals & efficacies with the likes of Nipsey Hussle to Tony Robbins. He’s not just throwing random shit on the wall and trying to make it stick. Tai L gives you many things with no core of a character other than a great marketer & brand. What’s cool about Gary V is he’s been able to market character & how he engaged his struggles in business while making it cool, like a true mentor
I am trying to figure out how to communicate better with my boyfriend. I believe I am INFP and believe he is ENTJ. Frequently we get frustrated with feeling unable to say something in a way the other will comprehend, as well as small but constant miscommunications (which drives him crazy). When I clicked on this video I thought maybe this Te function was where we diverge, but you say both INFP and ENTJ are rational thinkers... so, do you have any insight about what factors might cause us to have communication breakdown? I would really love to hear back from you. Your videos have fueled my desire to better understand myself. Thank you for being you, and for the work you put into sharing your knowledge.✌️
Wouldn't all the Te users listening to you for advice be going against what the majority say? As you said you don't have the credentials others have which means we would not value your opinion as much. For me (INFP) it's much more about how true what you say is to my personal experience in life. My ESFJ mother actually very often disregards the thoughts I tell her because I am a no one. She says I must be wrong considering the rest of the world is doing something else.
INFJ here, my Ni loves reading , listing to podcasts, etc. But I don't care about how others think about me . I love analysing the content logically. I tend to examine those belief system in relation to their cause and effect to know where this leads to. It is very helpful. But it does not affect me badly. Thinking for me is joyful and playful. I enjoy learning. I may have cridetionls. But this is not the point. It is secondary.
Infj here, is it true that Te is our blindspot? I've read so one time. Also read that it is our demon... CS Joseph can you elaborate on this when you have time please! The reason I watch this video is because I want to improve this cognitive function, if thats even possible. Lol😋 since it's the 8th function on our list. Thanks for your amazing and sightfull content.
I don't really think I'm te or ti heavy. But as an Enfp, I find it weird that I haven't found my te really. Like, I love watching informative videos and I hate when people just say that something isn't true and they're right because they studied it. My sister who had zoology 1 year said that octopi weren't smart, she also wouldn't argue about it she said she studied it so it's true (i think she's either estj or entj).A lot of my functions are quite underdeveloped it seems. But the thinking functions most of all. I also find conversations about stuff that isn't opinion quite boring mostly, cause it's just a look it up thing or never know for sure.
I would swear that Te Hero/Parent people were primarily task-oriented rather than knowledge/truth seeking oriented. Like “Te = Management” and “Ti = Science/Philosophy”... Did I get it wrong?
A lot of extraverted thinkers value the opposite of credentials just due to our current times. So, as they want to feel special and have merit, they pride themselves on not having a degree; therefore, learning everything they know by themselves and standing out in the process due to having a degree being the norm, and so, they become the exception.
To assume that credentials are important to Te users is assuming that they are all logically fallacious by definition. Some of us understand that an argument from authority is a fallacy and are unwilling to operate from it. I think you've had some valid points, but I do not always take my opinions from people with credentials. We can, however, appreciate credentials and tend to pursue them because of the way we are perceived by "what works" in the world. Credentials do carry weight amongst a lot of different people, and if having credentials gives us one more step in the right direction, we'll take it.
@@CSJoseph I'm one of them. But the idea that I'm wrong about that is creeping in around the edges. For instance, I'm much more likely to consider what Neil De Grasse Tyson says in a documentary than some Ph.D. I meet in a coffee shop who says the same thing. I don't call it looking for credentials, but it probably is. It kind of embarrasses me. It's not what I think I value.
Te is so much worse Ti not being able to think for yourself and caring about credentials and status arent even close to as important as knowing the truth.
A Te hero user is usually more likely to get things done than a Ti user. Te is about action and yielding actual results. Ti is structured understanding.
i strongly agree and as an enfp i'm a Te..? I would never say a teacher's opinion is more valuable than a student's opinion and i always thought i wouldn't care about other people's opinion when creating my own..
Bullshit. To add to the other corrections in this thread... Te links with Fi which judges the value of stuff. Ti wanders down paths which have no value and makes logical connections that may be factually flawed and therefore reaching an incorrect conclusion. We Ti folks need the Te folks to gather accurate data for us to work with and correct our foundationally flawed logic so we achieve wisedom where our logic is cemented in reality. I hope you've already realised your thinking's wrong on this subject (it's been 2 years, so you'd better have done), if not, I hope this helps you get there.
Well explained. Did you find any difference between NTJs and STJs when it comes to this "credentials" thing ? Because in my experience it's more of a STJ thing since based on the sensory. NTJs seem to care less compared to the former.
More of an STJ thing and an NFP thing, although NFJs and STPs can be sensitive to it, aka consumers of credentials while the other two groups need to be producers of credentials.
So "Te is based on believes and opinions of others" - good point. Probably that's why I keep arguing with INTJs and they drive me mad - as their Te pairs with Fi - which means their believes are based on ego, and opinions of people with high social status ( high status in the domain of "being authority" or "being publicly perceived as wise" - not exactly in the way of economic, or power status). It means INTJ will never ever challenge the ideas of "famous and respected philosopher" , because they have no apparatus to think by they own about the reality. They can think about their own experiences, though, they can logically process knowledge and opinions of others, but they cannot connect the dots into logically consistent big picture. There is other thing which they can do on their own - they try to dig deeply into other people psyche and they judge their morals and intentions (usually in very biased way). But that's not what drives me mad. What drives me mad is when they indirectly emphasize their superiority - by comparing themselves with "those stupid and irrational people". And instead of focusing on the matter of the topic, they try to morally undermine the position of person with whom they disagree. I probably should also say something nice about INTJ to not become an asshole, but well...
On the other hand, when we're debating whether a movie is good or not (or any emotional/value concept) I'll say something like "I liked this movie/value/idea. It's good." And he'll say "People don't like the movie/value/idea, hence it's not good. It got 10% on rotten tomato" and sometimes he'll tell me some weird social controversies (which I seldom care about). And in those cases, I get very annoyed because he thinks there's an objective standard for what you're supposed to like. Makes no sense. I'll like what I like, just because more people like a movie doesn't make the movie better.
I have watched 30 of you videos so far and found your analysis to be brilliant. I have recently found out that I have an INTJ personality. Unfortunately I find that you have made a generalisation in this video at 09:07 that may not be true. You state that Te results in group think. From personal experience I seek the truth. In a meeting with 9 others I suggested option A whilst the other 9 suggested option B. I certainly did not agree with the group (group think) and said I would not accept option B. I was prepared to escalate to middle management. If option A was not agreed, I would escalate to upper management. If upper management did not agree with option A, I would be prepared to select the nuclear option and 'go public'. In the end, upper management agreed with me and the other 9 group members made a U-turn. Subsequently I was found to be 100% correct, but this decision was so stressful. I don't know if Ni or a lack of social skills contributed to my decision making? I don't care for group think, if it is a bad decision.
@@CSJoseph you have lost me. Thanks for your reply though. Your typing videos, social engineering videos and 'who are... (16 personalities)' videos are dope! Nothing wrong with learning psychology from 'the street'. I'm learning psychology from you and UA-cam! I know what group think is. Psychology today- definition: 'Groupthink occurs when a group of well-intentioned people make irrational or non-optimal decisions that are spurred by the urge to conform or the discouragement of dissent. This problematic or premature consensus may be fueled by a particular agenda or simply because group members value harmony and coherence above rational thinking'. INTJs are iconoclastic so less likely to go under groupthink. INTJs are thought to be the most independent of the 16 personalities. Knowledge is power and Te helps a lot. Are you saying Ti users are more likely to innovate than Te users?
actually, the rational functions are both Feeling and Thinking. They make judgements based on their own type of rationality. The irrational functions are Intuition and Sensing; they do not have any rationality, they just 'perceive'.
Think about a board meeting that an ENTJ ceo has called for. He or she will make a decision about his or her company following thru with a merger based on the credentials of the people whose thoughts he or she depends on to make a decision.
Extroverted thinking sounds a lot like the 'Ethos' which Aristotle talks about in his book on rhetoric. He says that ethos or credibility is the most important requirement for winning debates, more important than logic or feelings. I guess that's why ENTJ and ESTJ are considered the most powerful leaders because they love collecting credible knowledge and looking credible.
I actually dont care about credentials as a Te dom, was big on titles and ranks when I was younger. I think as you get older you realise credentials are irrelevant, its really continuous learning well into adulthood that really is life impacting for personal growth in whatever areas you're seeking.
ENTJs like creditentials but that’s just an example of the credit we seek. We don’t care if you don’t have a creditental, we only care about having some concrete proof that you’re worth listening too. We seek some form of results or concrete credit and this can (but usually doesn’t) come from a credential.
Could it be that the reason Extraverted Thinkers desire credentials (for themselves and from those providing thoughts) is because today, at least in the US culture that I know, credentials are typically seen as a symbol of academic achievement? So credentials are valid because we agree they're valid.
Chase in 2018:I try to keep the video length around twenty minutes.
Chase in 2020: Making videos of two and a half hours.
beacuse he try to make it more deeper here it the start so he talk about ez things like if you come to 5 years old boy you will teach him 1+1=2 and after that 10+10=20 and now we are in a bit more hard subjack then this -intp man
Longer is better
@@taliarudeltaktikdurden2863 you pervert
We love it tho. The longer the better
The funniest thing to me is when Chase is like ; Lets try and see if we can write this down on this whiteboard for you, and then, The sun is getting in the way, this doesnt work, I guess I have to figure this out later, who cares, anyways, and then just continues and goes straight into the video.
This is so great and fascinating to me, because my fucking Se inferior would 100 % stop and do like 5 re-shoots of this shit until its basically "perfect" . At this moment I was thinking to myself, I like this guy. I just love that he just dont care about the visuals and estethics of these videos. Because the focus is 100 % on the Content in these videos, which actually makes me trust him 100% more,. I think this is One of the best moments in this entire UA-cam channel in my opinion 😆😆
As an INTJ, I think it's not always just a need for credentials per say. Status does motivate us to speak and impress with our knowledge. Also, in terms of trusting those with credentials more, I think that is mostly true but I would also say its significantly has to do with whether the source is trustworthy or has proved itself. For example you, you have no credentials but I trust you because you made complete sense in your first video so I stuck with you. You have the status of a trustworthy source I suppose.
The reason why C.S sounds trustworthy is probably because he's extroverted and good at public speaking. When it comes to introverts our ideas are normally blown out of the water by Te personality types. Even introverts with credentials struggle to have their ideas taken seriously. Einstein was a good example of this, he worked for nearly 10 years in a patent office because nobody took him seriously as a scientist.
The same thing as an intj too
@@AM-qi3xy Einstein worked in a patent office, so he can work in his theories independently. Also because he likes and comfortable with the environment, which is very Si child.
Bingo, that’s totally accurate of Te Fi
-INTJ
That's because you're responsible with te (and have a little ti your shadow). I may be wrong but it is my understanding that xxfps would be less mature with te and would be satisfied with the credentials. Also along that line of thinking, te hero may have a similar attitude because it is optimistic. Again, I may be wrong. For whatever it's with this is from a ti parent pov
Wow it's almost been a year this channel was created. I subscribed when there was less than 600 people at one point.
I am a Te user; Your opinion is valuable to me; Knew from first moment that you are the guy. - INTJ
Te is such an awesome cognitive function to have in the dominant regions of the ego. I have mine in the inferior position which sometimes sucks only because for some reason I feel like if i'm in a room with people with more credentials than me I feel really lame and shy but in conversations where I have more knowledge I can be an awesome teacher/ debater almost to the point of being a little arrogant. I'm pretty sure these are lower functioning aspects of this function, but Te also is a great systemizer. It's the part of me (and maybe other INFP types) that drives my hunger for knowledge and sometimes status, motivates me to study my butt off, and RATIONALLY organize my millions of Fi feelings and Ne possibilities.
Same
INTJ here. I love reading these comments. I'm noticing things I hadn't noticed before.
Like that I want people to think I'm smart, so if there's someone else in the conversation who has evidence of knowledge (e.g. a degree or work experience) of whatever we're talking about, I keep my mouth shut even if I have something to say. I hate to be embarrassed or look stupid.
There's a type out there that makes me feel like a child just by being there. I feel timid, unimportant and kind of blank as if I were in the background instead of right there in the conversation. Sometimes I even forget that I have a point of view. It's always a man, never a woman. I hate it.
Is it likely for that type to be ENTJ?
I love ENTPs. You're interesting and I feel safe talking to you. I forget myself, which is amazing and wonderful. Thanks for that.
you are welcome
It's possible that it could be ESTJ. I know that feeling too, when they acknowledge anything I have to say with a mocking tone, with that condescending little smirk and sometimes a scoff. Makes me feel so angry yet so powerless.
He might be a CHAD
@@shoeberrypie So ESTP?
As an INTJ, for me Te is more about empirical evidence and the statistical probability that something is true. I don’t ignore someone without credentials. But I do think it’s ignorant to discredit something purely on the basis that you don’t understand it. For example, I was trying to describe Jungian Typology to a coworker ENTP and within a few minutes he made up his mind that it was false. I’d never (or at least I try not to) make up my mind before examining the validity of the claim. I might explain my initial thoughts or theories for the fun of it, but I wouldn’t put any weight on my claims till I gathered more information. I think that’s more intellectually humbling, to realize that your initial thoughts could be wrong, and that you never start off magically knowing a topic. It also sorta annoys me when people bring up influential people in the past who thought outside the box in relation to their thoughts being valid. The fact that we know their names, and not the names of the vast majority who discovered information through building on an already set concept, shows that trailblazers are statistically less common. Also, the person themselves are more likely to have a false theory than be discovering something new. And if a whole bunch of people believe something, it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true, it just means it’s statistically more likely to be true than some conspiracy theory. Ti can be right, and it’s brilliant when it is. But it’s like winning the lottery.
thanks for your comment! I also think I might be a INTJ and I also never would absolutely say no to something or disregard it without actually searching for more info about it before I can be absolutely sure of what I believe. So I guess thats really Te here
I mean we don't have these functions, two people must disscuss it (INTJ and INTP/ ENTJ and ENTP / INFJ and INFP, etc). As INTP I always looked up for sources, INTJ professor made me inconfident when asked on what bases I made my assumptions, first I realised study books are very forgetful because the authors avoid complicated tasks for general audience, then I decided to rise up the confidence by learning information straight from pubmed, so my answer will be "Well I've read couple of articles on this subject recently, don't remember the authors but it was about this and that the title was this, you can check it out".
That's a really good point man. A close friend of mine has inferior Te. I'm starting to realize now just how him and I create a log jam in a lot of conversations now. I will present a piece of information toward him, and his judgement of that information is so much more subjective than I had originally thought when I first knew him. Just like that ENTP you mentioned. It's not logic that is first met with his understanding of the information, it's how he feels about it. I've started to recognize how I wont even finish speaking, and he will already express a judgement about something with a certain tonality in his voice. Like I can already see he has worked it out as factual or truth even when I havent reached the conclusion of that information. Does that make sense? It's starting to wear on our relationship, as I cant fully express and idea, concept, piece of knowledge, without him grabbing 30% of the information, and just disregarding it all. He's a wonderful friend in many ways, but yeah... Leaves for a pretty shallow relationship
I’ve been studying jungian analytical psychology for about 4 years now on and off and I’ve never came across a comment that I relate to so much until just now
@@floatinqspirit4289True. Some people just give out their 'opinion' without even trying to put any effort into understanding certain things
I really appreciate how real and straight forward you are. It’s totally awesome, and this is great content. It’s wonderful that you are all about quality info without ego getting in the way. Thank you!
you are most welcome
he is real but def not straight forward lmao
ENTP professional medical provider here. Thanking God for the gifts He has bestowed for the benefit of us thru your ENTP gestalt! It is so encouraging to find an expert like you who validated my ENTP mind. I have learned I’m not a weirdo in the world of practicing medicine - I can SEE the facts and how they crystallize into pathology via connected pathways - whereas “by the cookbook medicine” practitioner types don’t see the connections and come question me - fortunately God have me this ENTP mind and I’m able to show them the connections and apply this gift to improve my patients health 👍🏻 in you I have found a respected ENTP peer - To God be the glory you have answered your high calling and are achieving your potential 🙏🏻
I dated someone who I've narrowed down to ISTJ and after watching this I have real life examples of Te from him. 1) could not have a conversation about an original thought with him without him asking me to site all my sources. Do people actually memorize sources of everything they read?? 2) you walk into his house and the only decorations on his walls are plaques and framed degrees 3) he would freak out of you do anything in public to draw any attention to yourself or him 4) any topic he talked about he'd show me links to sources or cite them 5) every time he drove his car he'd use an app that told him the best route based on road conditions and other statistics
Only ISTJs ask people to cite their sources, which is super annoying
@@alphhs5260 also INTJs I know do this. Both use Te.
@@halilyn4123 INTJs can understand absract ideas and can accept them if they make enough logical sense. That's the difference
@@alphhs5260 No. Asking for sources is standard Te behavior.
Oh so that's why my ENTJ teacher nearly yells at me, like I'd be personally attacking her, when I ask her "why tho" type of questions
I only watched a few INTJ videos at first, but I found it so informative and educational that I started watching your videos from season 1. I wish I had found your channel earlier. Very good work my friend!
Welcome aboard!
My life has transformed for the better with these lectures C.S. Joseph you are an angle!
I'm an INFP and I actually wondered how did you learn everything you know. I started watching your videos after seeing many people commenting in the MBTI community that you knew what you were talking about (Yeah, external opinions. Hello, Te). I'm an INFP and I swear, confirmation bias is a BIG ISSUE for me, and I think this is the most aware I've been of it thanks to your videos, not because you've told me so (which would be a humilliating irony, XD) but because you've encouraged me to check my own thinking. A good example of my poor Ti is that when I got ENFJ the first time I took an MBTI test, I completely believed it and it "totally made sense for me". Then, when I got INFJ (it TOTALLY made sense for me again, lol), I believed it for a year and didn't bother to do my own research. I legit thought I was an INFJ based on standard behavioral trends and confirmation-biased myself through memes, Instagram posts of dubious origin and most upvoted quora and personality cafe comments (I'm not proud of that but my only interest in MBTI back then was finding info I could relate to and give myself a pat on the back from time to time). I'd go like "well, I'm very empathetic and I don't think I'm selfish and I have door slammed people many times so I must be an INFJ". But then I'd start to doubt my type again when I didn't fit with the stereotype. For example, I always end up listening to people's problems like an INFJ would, but I... don't? always? want? to???? And many times I find myself silently questioning how did I end up talking about the childhood traumas or the deep desires of x person, while still listening to them. When this happened I'd tell myself that if I was a true INFJ I'd thrive on listening others. That I'd feel kind of self-realized and not drained. In fact, I secretly tend to feel intolerant towards others' lack of self resolution, and I can definetely feel irritated if someone dismisses my POV or advice and still complains about their problems (but I rarely smack others about it {unless it becomes unbearable, or I'm in a bad mood} because it makes me feel really uncomfortable and I fear I can come across as harsh, Te inferior). Learning about the functions has been the only way for me to make sure which are the ones I use the most. I don't relate to INFPs who complain about your videos. I personally love your content and your authentic, no bullshit, laid back attitude makes everything more dynamic. Your examples are also pretty cool and I'd really appreciate you used more. You're super passionate about this topic and it shows, keep up the good work!
i guess by living & then finding out whyy
That was quite a comment
My dad is an ISTJ and he reads the dictionary. Like, not just referring to the dictionary when he wants a word, but he literally READS it as if it’s a novel :P ISTJs drive me crazy sometimes but theyre great
I'm an ENFP, and as a kid I would find random big words in the dictionary so that I could be "smarter" than my friends by using big words in regular conversation.
I may or may not still do this. I love big words and I love finding FUNNY big words so my jokes are smart.
I don't even know what this means about me, but this ENFP loves funny big words that no one else knows the meanings to.
Lol. Definitely did something like that in highschool. I read 10 new words from an oldie dictionary everyday and note it in my notebook. INFP here
my sj mother used to read me from a book called 1000 whats and 1000 whys, instead of stories, so in kindergarten when we were ask to talk about something, i spoke about how precipitation happens ...
Lol, I, as an INTP, did that (but as a child) too
INTJ here. You are correct, I do like the credentials I have from my vocational schools and I’ve been to community college. It’s a standard I have held for myself. It’s been a really great experience for me. I, however, don’t look down on others for lack of schooling as long as they have shown significant amount of being self taught in the field and they have a pattern of competency in what they are teaching.
For example, you have proven to me that you are a very competent self taught personality types and you continually work on your craft and expertise... the application of what you teach has proven accurate. Until recently, I thought that I was more objective than subjective. I do apply both but I never realized how subjective I can be. You are on of my favorites. Keep up the good work. I am trying to get through all of your material... eventually. 😁
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I am an INTJ; a connoisseur of knowledge. I could tell after a few minutes of your videos that you were the real deal. I am surprised you have no formal training but that makes your knowledge that more impressive. Thank you for what you do.
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12:00 thank you for this. This explains why my ENTJ SO was very upset when my parents were laughing at him the other day. They were just joking with him about his age and about how he is “too young” to have problems or stress. But it was in a public setting and really bothered him. I will make sure to take note of this for future reference to make sure he is respected the way he wants to be respected.
-INFJ
I think regardless of the type, we shouldn't make fun of people in public. That's just disrespectful
wow . as an entj these specific comments get my fired up so quickly. recently my family slightly shamed me and i just left then and there . i cannot handle feeling disrespected or shamed . i only go where i’m loved . but it’s a good point that i shouldn’t be so sensitive to these things. i wonder what the path to a stronger self worth would be. i’ll probably figure it out by the end of the day though😂 do some research. okay bye ! i appreciate your comment !
Finally found someone who explains functions in a simple, easy to understand way
I can totally relate to it as an ENFP. I love to ABSORB information. But I do make my own conclusions at the end and I go with what feels the most correct to me and it DOESN'T always align with the majority ! Probably something to do with my Fi. Anyhow, so excited to learn more!! Subscribed as well!
Ok now I'm doubting if I'm am ENFP or if I'm an ENTP who's been brainwashed into thinking that I need to engage in extraverted thinking rather than introverted thinking. When you provided the example of gaining credentials, I see that happening with so many people in the world, chasing degrees and certifications for validation's sake. God I'm still so grateful for your channel - you are challenging my thinking which I very much appreciate! Thanks so much!
Wow! Great points about Te’s quest for knowledge through the attainment of degrees, certification and letters. I think that might be partly why extroverted thinkers do so well in school.
rebeka talebi Or maybe more that that they are good at assessing, understanding and evaluating external knowledge and systems quickly, where as a Ti thinker often needs to analyze from the bottom up and test and verify new knowledge throroughly against their own thinking - often inclined to rediscover the wheel.
I can completely understand and in some way metnally adopt a system even when I don’t believe in it. Believing something is true is not a requirement for me to be willing and able to understand and be interested in a system. Take for example astrology. I don’t necessarily believe in it but I found it fascinating to study it and understand its thinking and the perspective it offers. The same goes for various religions. I can throw up and associate and half believe in a theoretical way many divergent systems at the same time, which allows a creativity and flexibility in thinking that many - much more accurate and truth driven - Ti users can’t achieve. This allows me also to ve able to help others with very divergent belief systems understand each other and to mediate between them as well.
What to you value more depth of efficiency?
@@MrBezigebij NE makes up for how rigid SI/TI can be what you just described i do it too yet I'm an INTP.
We filter out information, and make connections through NE.
so why not be open to multiple belief systems even though they aren't true?
That's what I'm trying to get at anyway.
My father is an ESTJ and it is very funny because in family discussions I noticed that he never gives his opinion, my mother (ISFJ) and my brother (ESTP) argue, I (infp) laugh at them and I also listen and absorb their points of view. (their topics of conversation are generally not serious)
ENTJ thought vampire! MUHAHAHA!!
All humans are thought vampires to a certain extent. Its the ability to make true/false judgements regarding thoughts which separates Te and Ti. If CS Joseph was fat, had poor hygiene and spoke like he was from Alabama would you still take him seriously? This is the difference between Ti and Te. We are able to extract truth from experts and unreliable sources that society shuns because our truth is generated internally from our own personal true/false judgments.
@@savvageorge We as in Ti or Te?
@@savvageorge Not really. That last part is more associated towards Ti going down deep rabbit holes. Ti is more likely to look at sources that consensus would view as unreliable because Ti cares less about certification experts and more about what they think about it not what others think. Ti doesn't care about consensus because it's about personal understanding and individual thinking which means it will consider many things including data that is outside the realm of what the collective deems relevant. Consensus Te has it's place in society (in fact consensus Te rules collective society for good reason) but it's difficult for Te to wrap around their heads and take in ideas that don't conform to the majority especially if those ideas aren't proven or the sources aren't certified (peer reviewed etc).
Te really exists to challenge individual Ti users. If Ti users data and subsequent ideas proven through the information they provide are good enough to challenge the status quo and consensus to the point Te recognizes it, it then becomes a part of consensus where the collective collects it and zeitgeist knowledge grows.
I really love what you said in between about 8:00 to 9:00. It just made me a dynamic image in my mind! You really have mastered the art of teaching!
i have a long way to go
My auxiliary function is extraverted thinking and I am light years from believing, as you believe, that so-called "valid credentials" are "all important." As an example, when I interview people for a job interview, I read their credentials out of courtesy, but that's not what I am looking for. The best clerical person I have ever had was a junior college drop out (because of a pregnancy). In the interview, with an intent look on her face, she said, "if I don't know how to do something, I will find out how to do it, then from that point I'll know." I hired her, and she was par excellance.
Mark Odekirk , awesome, I do not disagree with you. However, the vast majority of Te users, especially Te child and Te inferior are very focused on the “status” that such credentials bring them. Furthermore, I have experienced it plenty with Te parents and a few times with ESTJs. ENTJs however are different. They don’t care about credentials that much which is why ENTPs like myself jive with them so well. So for an ESTJ, traditionally speaking, prefers an “expert” and will not take the risk on non-credentialed people. ISTJs draw a lot of pride out of the letters that are passed their name and they take it very seriously. INTJs its a mix, depends on how mature they are etc. Anyway, I don’t disagree with your anecdotal evidence, but when looking at all Te users compared to Ti users, there is a definite bias towards people who have credentials vs those who do not (yet have proven track records to be more effective than those with letters after their name) The younger the Te user, the more they value credentials.
C.S. Joseph Well, my own MBTI code is INTJ, and I have always trumpeted the fact that the only college I have personally participated in is a welding class (to keep things repaired around my shop). I am smart, and I have no papers to bolster (make valid) that fact. So, for me, I love trumpeting my lack of education, especially at my mother-in-law's country club.
I concur...credentials are super important to me ( ENTJ), I have always valued more the opinion of those who have a lengthy educational background over the empirical ones.
I was cracking my brain thinking about this status and credentials issue because I have Te parent and i disregard any status or credentials. I see any information as neutral and use my rational thinking to decide. Thanks for the explanation Chase.
Same! I am an ISFP, but as soon as someone starts to bring up any kind of credentials, red flags go off in my mind. I am more about the strategies and experiences someone brings to the table. I'm especially skeptical with religion- as soon as someone even says they are "such and such", I take everything with a grain of salt. I'd rather see their actions and decide for myself. However, I have been burned with religion and marketing schemes in the past, because I did go along with it and found out the hard way all the lies that exist there. So perhaps as an ISFP with inferior Te, because of those negative experiences, it might be a Ti demon response? I don't know, I'm just starting to figure all this out.
To all the people who think that this analysis is inconsistent because they have Te but they don't care about credentials much and what the majority says, this analysis was entirely correct in a sense. Some of the characteristics of Te are influenced by their information gathering functions.
I'm a Te and I've learned that it is all about skills rather than credentials. I've met so many people with credentials that SUCK. Credentials don't equal performance. But I think that still aligns with Te. I definitely find myself finding info and constantly synthesizing it so it can be applied.
Credentials I end up using though are thinks like clear mastery of a topic or for scenarios where it's demonstrable, if they have ever actually done what they are talking about. I download a lot from my ENTP friends (especially one around business ) and INTP friends around things like politics.
In this video at least, you don't understand Te at all. You go on to apply Si/Te and Te/Si behavior to intuitives, which is a grievous error. Because it's those function stacks that cause someone to cite facts, and sources, and undervalue original thought (in their defense, they just want to know you are an expert, and compare your opinions to other experts, before deciding to listen to you). But if you think that NTs like XNTJ are only about citing the known facts, and not having original thoughts, you don't know what you are talking about. Sorry. Tesla and Elon Musk might beg to differ, as will any XNTJ who is busy bringing their creative ideas into fruition in the real world. In reality, all 4 NTs are abstract thinkers, though the XNTJs tend to be more practical.
Te isn't at all what you said it was. Te is about testing our thoughts external to us, rather than internal. Te will test ideas in the real world, with real people, and real objects. Ideas will be refined via discourse. Theories will be tested. Plans will be implemented. Te is practical. Ti users might see this as "speaking before you are certain about a topic". Which is true. That's exactly what Te does. 2 heads is better than one, so the sooner you air your ideas, the faster you will find out about their flaws. Says a Te user, anyway. Te doesn't mind making mistakes (even if Ni does), because those mistakes can be corrected as you go.
Ti is a little different, as you will tend to polish your thoughts internally before revealing them. A Te user might see this as a waste of time. Ti is mostly theoretical, caring less about application than understanding. "Have a good idea what might be the truth, before you speak to others about it", says Ti user. Ti seeks understanding for understanding's sake. And airing ideas before they are fully formed might be seen by Ti as "Misleading others".
I understand this is one of your earlier videos, and that you don't actually understand Te that well as an ENTP. So I'm not trying to discourage you here. But your understanding of Te is misinformed in this video. Looking at the comments, it's clear you've been educated about 1000x over, so I'm sure you have a better understanding now. I caught one of your season 13 videos which was excellent, so let's not obsess about the past.
However, If you want to understand why people are quite disturbed by the video, imagine yourself if ENTP was described as ESTP. As if the two were identical. "You like sensory experiences, you ENTPs, but you're not big on deeper thinking, preferring only to bully people into agreement. You know, that's ENTPs, right? Not much about original thought, just about senseless debate for the sake of ego". This should help to illustrate why people object to you conflating XNTJs and XSTJs. I'm going to shut up now, because I know that ENTPs can be quite wounded by their past mistakes.
We all have all both Ti and Te. You need to go watch his other videos in which he describes how each function behaves in each function stack.The xNTJ thing you said, if you're one, just look back when you were immature and you can see that you only collected fact and never thought about them because you saw a UA-cam video or read it on some site. Then when you actually started using Ti critic or nemesis and Fi is when you became more mature and thought critically. I started using these when people would point out that I didn't know what I was talking about and was just spiting out facts to impress them.
@@egomaniac7230 you straight roasted this guy and I love it
@@egomaniac7230 Can you tell me the name of that video series or which season it is in. I don't think I've seen that one yet.
TheBittenBullet
It's in the Attitude of cognitive functions playlist.
@@egomaniac7230 Thanks for clarifying this for me. All of these cognitive functions have been confusing the hell out of me as they apply in the real world to people I know. It makes more since when you talk about the developmental processes. It appears that development makes one more neutral and balanced, less deficient in certain areas.
Mr. C.S. Joseph, you ARE an expert in Jungian psychology. That much is apparent, with or without the P, h, and D.
thanks bro
I just starting learning about cognitive function types this past year. I have a few little letters behind name. I love a credited source. Not all cred comes from institutions. Just saying!!! Mmm Kay!! I feel I absorb this complex information best from your lectures and personality hacker. I don't know that you need me to give you props but you are well informed, well spoken, and entertaining too. So psttt at all the people who think negative about you and your passion for this knowledge. 👍🙏😏
I am a student at the end of the semester and today I just got a bad grade. And yeah my Te inferior got triggered. I am afraid of being seen as stupid by my classmates, who are quite smart. But then :)) I realized that one year ago I was having the exact same problem, except I had no idea where all this frustration was coming from, because I didn't know about the cognitive functions at that time. I was so happy to see how much I've learned that I immediately started feeling better. THANK YOU.
this was sooo helpful. the status thing, I get it now! (not a Te user) thanks CS !
I’m a INTJ and I wouldn’t hate someone if they embarrassed me. In fact I don’t really get embarrassed because I don’t care about other people’s opinion if their opinion is emotionally based. If you crush me with knowledge and data I will listen and use that information for my next battle
My moto is, "All my best ideas are other peoples'." That's why I'm quick to give credit to someone else when I steal an excellent idea. I know I'm terrible with a blank page. My close group of friends have played table-top RPGs for 30 years. I usually run the game. When I come up with a cool idea for a game, it's always something from another source that inspires me, and then I grab 5 or 6 concepts from other sources and piece them together to "make it my own". Usually, I start with a general concept that I want to create a scenario for. It's kind of like having a very general idea for a story arc, but without any details or actual plot points. Then I find a set of major plot points across multiple media that I can use to craft the arc I wanted to create. Then I tweak the details and fill in any cracks to make it more "unique" and cohesive. For me, the creative aspect is finding the pieces that accomplish the goal, not creating something from nothing. I'm an INTJ.
IDK. That is debatable. What is original thought? If you come up with a new invention it's still going to be made of existing earth elements that you didn't create. The processes of melting gold with mercury for example. It depends on how you look at it.
I assume the INTJ would see a complex web of everything being connected somehow. Others may see your game idea as being a brand new concept because it wouldn't have occurred without your input. A matter of perspective IMO. It took creativity for your game to evolve, otherwise you would just be shooting dice. If ideas came from other people then where did they get theirs?
Makes sense, my intj mother used to care so much about other people thoughts like obsessed.
I have pretty bad memory so it's always good to come back to the basics/beginning.
I start to remember shit like Oh that's why I value other peoples opinions, make decisions based off majority rules ___ true, etc.
12:05 after hearing this I know what I am.
I deeply hates it if someone make me look bad in front of others.
As a INFJ with TE trickster this video gave me some slight anxiety lol and I found myself thinking throughout your explanation " Stats, data etc can easily be made up in order for the person or organization etc to achieve personal motivates and control over others, our government does it all the time " lol thank you for all you do Chase! Blessings 😊
Thankyou, cs. Appreciate your knowledge on Te
intj (a PREDOMINANT Te user) here.
Te to me IS putting into action/out in reality the thoughts or desires you have out in the real world.
Te ABSOLUTELY IS VERY ACTION oriented.
it is ABSOLUTELY NOT feeding on the thoughts of others. instead, it ABSOLUTELY IS ABSOLUTELY ACTION oriented.
Te ABSOLUTELY IS ALL, ENTIRELY about OUTPUT and ABSOLUTELY NOT input.
NO MORE, NO LESS.
and, ABSOLUTELY FUCK group think.
ABSOLUTELY.
FOR SURE.
- (again) INTJ
I'm INTJ and i agree with few points.
Like yeah in small group we gather a lot of data. Personally i do a lot polls on specific topics on Reddit. When someone breaks my opinion it hurts. Well i initially at denial mode to that credential/status argument but after thorough analysis i do realize i do value credentials but very rarely only in specific cases. I used to value status a lot in school but now i don't value it that much.
funny how you mentioned that thing about status, my 20 year friendship ended over that very scenario
Thanks man, for your work.
CSJ, my Te inferior really like to listen to your Ti :)
Impressive explanation.
“Do you have any original thoughts or are you just a walking library” OKAY NO NEED TO CALL ME OUT LIKE THAT💀💀
I'm INTJ. I find that I give you credibility because I give Jungian Typology credibility, because I give all systems credibility as long as they maintain their internal consistency as I delve into them.
Just want to say your opinions are definitely valid :)
Amazing video @CS Joseph, as an ENTJ this is really illuminating for me and incredibly applicable. My question is in your experience with those who have high Te do you find that their "credential requirements" vary? For example, you not having a degree in psychology is not a turn off for me because I see the work that you've put in, the information that you've provided, and the credibility that you've built up on your channel. You don't have to be a part of Myers Briggs, for me to consider you credible. It's the same in business for me, someone having a degree isn't a turnoff if they can show me documentation that their business is flourishing and they know their stuff, it's more of a production/results oriented credential for me rather than having a title. Some of the best mentors I've ever had were high school/college dropouts but had real world experience and resiliency to keep learning and growing.
autodidacts are win
I'm an ENFP and I trust what you say more that MBTI, As long as what you say make sense compare to what I've read or experienced before, or when applied it actually work, That's way enough 😊
Excellent explanation
Interesting, great video.
Previous video: "Hey guys, this is CS Joseph. Today we'll be talking about slots."
This video: "Hey guys, CS Joseph here. Today we'll be talking about thots."
I like where this is headed 😀
wow good chance.
As an ENFP, and hearing what you say about credentials, I suppose because my personal values just don't align with things like titles and hierarchies and all that crap, I think that if someone around me is simply talking the best talk out of all the people I've heard, then to me they are the most qualified, regardless of what an educational system deems qualifiable, ya know? So when you talk about this in-depth with confidence, I trust that you've done the research you have and synthesised it into your own way of interpreting and conveying that information, and so to me that makes everything you say valid
I appreciate that very much
HAHA after you said "If you make fun of them in front of people, they'll hate you forever" I thought of yesterday when I sorta looked down on my INTJ friend... -ESFJ
Knowledge is knowledge. Self taught is absolutely as valid or more so than institutional learning. The whole status thing is so weak.
As an INTJ while i do care about not getting embarassed sometimes when it comes to getting what i want or achieving my goal i don’t really mind. Like I’ll choose temporary embarassment over not getting it.
And with statistics while i do look at them and i don’t really let them decide my future. Like i wanna be an architect , interior designer and i also want my own fashion line and my teacher is like”most architects become successful after the age of 35.” And im like”no I’ll be sooner” or it could be like”most people buy their first property at the age of x” and i am be like”I’ll get it sooner”. Like i mostly listen to people that achieved what i want to achieve or live a life that i want for myself. The thing is you’re supposed to make statistics work in your favour.
Education, especially higher education trains you to Te(research, citations, etc.), not to mention many employers require Te. I relate so much to how you describe Te, but fairly certain I'm ISFJ.
INTJ here. When I got my Ph.S in philosophy and logic I was throwing that shit around LOOL. I'm now doing a master's in psychotherapy and spiritual care. I run my own practice as a philosophical counsellor. I find I don't care for elected authority or really authority in general. But people who just move up in companies with no other reason but being given the job never registers as status to me. I work a government job on side the my supervisor is an absolute dumbass and demands respect because he has the 'supervisor' title. I obviously don't respect him because he's a dumbass but his lack of credentials and only having a high school education makes him completely untrustworthy.
I tested as an ENTP for the longest time and it broke my heart my professor flat out said I definitely wasn't an ENTP but an INTJ instead. I still feel the heartbreak and recently found this channel which has really helped me embrace the way of the INTJ. Thanks again for the video even though I'm super late to finding them haha.
Chase, the *idea and emotion vampire* : D : D
I see quite a few people disagreeing with your viewpoint of Te, but I think you have a point. I disagree in the sense that Te itself is simply one cognitive function, and a personality constitutes of a precarious balance between multiple. It would have been better if you mentioned that this is what Te does, not extraverted thinkers (as they refer to actual people, and people are multidimensional, not just Te) but I agree in you saying Te has no thoughts of their own, as they function on 'extra' and rationale. Especially as an ENTJ, it's really easy to get lost in trying to make sense of the world around me and what is there. That is the reason I think Fi is so important for ENTJs to function. I find that amidst the whirlwind of information and opinions of the modern era, the only thing that actually enables me to come up with thoughts, ideas and solutions of my own is Fi. As hard as it was to develop my Fi, it gave me a sense of moral compass, a broader sense of empathy and depth in identity, not superficiality.
And I did write this prior to finishing the whole video, and the more I see it, the more I think you've had bad experience with unhealthy extraverted thinkers haha. Those are just the manifestation of overworked Te + possibly repressed Fi, not extraverted thinkers in general. Any function has the potential of toxicity, just in different forms. Te does tend to be a bit obnoxious in the manifestation, hope you don't think too badly of it lmao
Hey, Chase! I know you don't mention that question that much in the video, but I wanted to talk about Te inferior. I've it as inferior function and what I think is that there's something lacking in your explanation, and it's how much we distrust it (as well we desire it). I mean, we use it too, but at the same time, we oppose it with our Fi, so basically, at least how it works for me, is more or less like this: Oh, this is what people think! What do I feel about it? Do I agree or not? If I agree there's no problem, but if I don't... well, that will provoke a HUGE conflict. Because a part of me trust it and wants to do it as well (for example, in my personal case it's above all: academic field and relationships, for example) but the other part is like: NOOOOO! You don't have to trust what society tells you to do! It's wrong! People don't consider your OWN needs or feelings! You don't have to do it if you think it's not the right thing!
Another case of distrusting it is for example when I meet new people. I'm super anxious about what they will think about me and trying to be as polite and "normal" as I can (I've suffered bullying as a child, so having Te as inferior and Fe as nemesis, well... you can imagine what happens... xDDD) but a part of me wants to be true to "what I am" as well... So it's actually a hard time for me to meet new people, above all group of people because I distrust them (that's probably my personal experience, as well).
So yeah, I would say that a part of us really wants these credentials or approval but it's always in conflict with our Fi who tells us to stay true to what we feel. Until you mature and you try to balance your Fi and increase and accept your Te (I think is a huge deal for us to accept the Te because it means admiting that we actually want some of the things we constantly critisise).
I hope that was helpful and not too out of place!
And thank you again for your videos! :)
i do not disagree with you. you're welcome ^^
I can relate to your experience! I'm an ISFP & my dad's most probably an ESTJ (or an ENTJ) so when we had a discussion about what's better, having freedom of thought with okay life (stereotypical social govt), or stable life with restricted thoughts (stereotypical authoritarian govt) he prefers the latter while I prefer the former, but I also don't deny the latter totally... it's the love-hate relationship with that idea
As an ENFP and having Te Child, is this why I can't make a freaking decision without asking everyone around me if my choice is the best choice? Like for everything from what color of paint I want to use in my kitchen or where we should eat for dinner. I seriously don't even take a bath in the evening without asking my husband if it's okay that I go take a bath. If so, WHY!? I know it makes no difference to anyone else if I paint my kitchen gray or if I go to San Chez for dinner or if I take a bath - so why do I feel it necessary to ask someone else's permission or opinion for mundane tasks!?
Also, I talk to myself and think out loud NONSTOP. I think I annoy everyone because even when I'm not talking to anyone else I'm still talking ROFL
I do this constantly. I will almost always overrule their opinion if it opposes my own, but I crave the feedback either way. But it eventually leaves some people feeling used or like I don't really listen, when I do not follow their guidance 😔
Very interesting. I'm an INTJ, and it took me a while to understand this explanation. I'm a guy who has earned a lot of success in life in spite of the fact that I'm mostly self-educated. My highest degree is an Associate's Degree. So, I don't put much stock in titles/degrees/credentials in others, nor do I look down on those who lack those things.
Having said all that, I realize that my personal status is very tied to how people see me and my integrity. I also realize that I tend to pull out the old "I'm an industry expert with 20 years of experience", as well as the fact that I used to give talks for an industry group. So, you're absolutely correct that it's important for my own self-worth.
In fact, in this video Chase mentions the fact that some Te users will leave a group if their status is questioned. I nearly quit my current job, because I had a couple of people tear down my integrity behind my back. It was an immense blow to my ego, and the only saving grace was knowing that my boss and his boss (VP of Ops) didn't buy it, and both spoke up for me. But man, talk about being insanely furious!
aye, sounds rough
You're usually on point CSJ, but this one is a little off base. I'm an ENTJ and I care more about what is true and what is not than what everyone else thinks. I just like to have proof that it is correct. If there's proof then people can't say something is false. I do like to take in other peoples ideas and what they believe to be true and see if it actually lines up with reality. I think Ti is more of something being true without any proof of it being true. It's like having an idea in theory ,but never putting it to the test. I think Te users need it to be tested out to see if it really is true within reality.
He is most of the time off now
Functional stack: Te : Ni : Ti : Fi
I think Gary V is a mature ENFJ. His consistent, in-depth insight on values & ethics is on par. He is always vulnerable with his struggles and experiences and then gives feedback on his growth. I've heard some of his morals & efficacies with the likes of Nipsey Hussle to Tony Robbins. He’s not just throwing random shit on the wall and trying to make it stick.
Tai L gives you many things with no core of a character other than a great marketer & brand.
What’s cool about Gary V is he’s been able to market character & how he engaged his struggles in business while making it cool, like a true mentor
I am trying to figure out how to communicate better with my boyfriend. I believe I am INFP and believe he is ENTJ. Frequently we get frustrated with feeling unable to say something in a way the other will comprehend, as well as small but constant miscommunications (which drives him crazy).
When I clicked on this video I thought maybe this Te function was where we diverge, but you say both INFP and ENTJ are rational thinkers... so, do you have any insight about what factors might cause us to have communication breakdown?
I would really love to hear back from you. Your videos have fueled my desire to better understand myself. Thank you for being you, and for the work you put into sharing your knowledge.✌️
Wouldn't all the Te users listening to you for advice be going against what the majority say? As you said you don't have the credentials others have which means we would not value your opinion as much. For me (INFP) it's much more about how true what you say is to my personal experience in life.
My ESFJ mother actually very often disregards the thoughts I tell her because I am a no one. She says I must be wrong considering the rest of the world is doing something else.
yeah SFJs respect credentials too much.
That's more si in your esfj mother's part :)
But Ti is her auxiliary function right? Not Te?
I'm confused too, because my esfj mother also does the same. Can you explain?
You are really good!
INFJ here, my Ni loves reading , listing to podcasts, etc.
But I don't care about how others think about me . I love analysing the content logically. I tend to examine those belief system in relation to their cause and effect to know where this leads to. It is very helpful. But it does not affect me badly. Thinking for me is joyful and playful.
I enjoy learning. I may have cridetionls. But this is not the point. It is secondary.
Infj here, is it true that Te is our blindspot? I've read so one time. Also read that it is our demon... CS Joseph can you elaborate on this when you have time please! The reason I watch this video is because I want to improve this cognitive function, if thats even possible. Lol😋 since it's the 8th function on our list. Thanks for your amazing and sightfull content.
@@umummiii4759 Yes. INFJs suck at Te, just like INTJs suck at Fe. Please excuse my highly technical language :)
@@LilacSnowBun I face difficulties with driving. I guess its because of lack Te. Its so frustrating
@@umummiii4759 That might be our inferior Se. I’m a horrible driver too XD - intj
@@LilacSnowBun haha i know a friend whos driving is also not like estjs and others
What about the background types who are Te? They wouldn't like to be in the spotlight!
I don't really think I'm te or ti heavy. But as an Enfp, I find it weird that I haven't found my te really. Like, I love watching informative videos and I hate when people just say that something isn't true and they're right because they studied it. My sister who had zoology 1 year said that octopi weren't smart, she also wouldn't argue about it she said she studied it so it's true (i think she's either estj or entj).A lot of my functions are quite underdeveloped it seems. But the thinking functions most of all. I also find conversations about stuff that isn't opinion quite boring mostly, cause it's just a look it up thing or never know for sure.
Ok you have got some points.
I would swear that Te Hero/Parent people were primarily task-oriented rather than knowledge/truth seeking oriented. Like “Te = Management” and “Ti = Science/Philosophy”... Did I get it wrong?
A lot of extraverted thinkers value the opposite of credentials just due to our current times. So, as they want to feel special and have merit, they pride themselves on not having a degree; therefore, learning everything they know by themselves and standing out in the process due to having a degree being the norm, and so, they become the exception.
Thank you.
So how does an INTJ who doesn't value credentials and is very picky about who they listen to build their Te?
Actually he is right, Te users like ENTJs always ask me to search for the background or the certificate of any person I am listening to.
To assume that credentials are important to Te users is assuming that they are all logically fallacious by definition. Some of us understand that an argument from authority is a fallacy and are unwilling to operate from it. I think you've had some valid points, but I do not always take my opinions from people with credentials. We can, however, appreciate credentials and tend to pursue them because of the way we are perceived by "what works" in the world. Credentials do carry weight amongst a lot of different people, and if having credentials gives us one more step in the right direction, we'll take it.
whats funny is that all Te users have this point of view :) but in practice they fall prey to appeal to authority often.
C.S. Joseph - Tell me more about your idea of “Logos” if you don’t mind, or link me a video that defines it. Thanks.
@@CSJoseph I'm one of them. But the idea that I'm wrong about that is creeping in around the edges.
For instance, I'm much more likely to consider what Neil De Grasse Tyson says in a documentary than some Ph.D. I meet in a coffee shop who says the same thing.
I don't call it looking for credentials, but it probably is. It kind of embarrasses me. It's not what I think I value.
Te is so much worse Ti not being able to think for yourself and caring about credentials and status arent even close to as important as knowing the truth.
Not necessarily, Te is more beneficial in accomplishing practical things
A Te hero user is usually more likely to get things done than a Ti user. Te is about action and yielding actual results. Ti is structured understanding.
i strongly agree and as an enfp i'm a Te..? I would never say a teacher's opinion is more valuable than a student's opinion and i always thought i wouldn't care about other people's opinion when creating my own..
Bullshit. To add to the other corrections in this thread... Te links with Fi which judges the value of stuff. Ti wanders down paths which have no value and makes logical connections that may be factually flawed and therefore reaching an incorrect conclusion. We Ti folks need the Te folks to gather accurate data for us to work with and correct our foundationally flawed logic so we achieve wisedom where our logic is cemented in reality.
I hope you've already realised your thinking's wrong on this subject (it's been 2 years, so you'd better have done), if not, I hope this helps you get there.
Well explained. Did you find any difference between NTJs and STJs when it comes to this "credentials" thing ? Because in my experience it's more of a STJ thing since based on the sensory. NTJs seem to care less compared to the former.
More of an STJ thing and an NFP thing, although NFJs and STPs can be sensitive to it, aka consumers of credentials while the other two groups need to be producers of credentials.
If Einstein were giving a lecture would a rational thinker still demand he site his sources? At what point do they accept logic as self-evident?
Preach!
So "Te is based on believes and opinions of others" - good point. Probably that's why I keep arguing with INTJs and they drive me mad - as their Te pairs with Fi - which means their believes are based on ego, and opinions of people with high social status ( high status in the domain of "being authority" or "being publicly perceived as wise" - not exactly in the way of economic, or power status).
It means INTJ will never ever challenge the ideas of "famous and respected philosopher" , because they have no apparatus to think by they own about the reality. They can think about their own experiences, though, they can logically process knowledge and opinions of others, but they cannot connect the dots into logically consistent big picture. There is other thing which they can do on their own - they try to dig deeply into other people psyche and they judge their morals and intentions (usually in very biased way).
But that's not what drives me mad.
What drives me mad is when they indirectly emphasize their superiority - by comparing themselves with "those stupid and irrational people". And instead of focusing on the matter of the topic, they try to morally undermine the position of person with whom they disagree.
I probably should also say something nice about INTJ to not become an asshole, but well...
Extraverted Thinking Keyword-[I organized]
On the other hand, when we're debating whether a movie is good or not (or any emotional/value concept) I'll say something like "I liked this movie/value/idea. It's good."
And he'll say "People don't like the movie/value/idea, hence it's not good. It got 10% on rotten tomato" and sometimes he'll tell me some weird social controversies (which I seldom care about).
And in those cases, I get very annoyed because he thinks there's an objective standard for what you're supposed to like. Makes no sense. I'll like what I like, just because more people like a movie doesn't make the movie better.
14:22 and THUSLY C.S. Joseph is explained
I absolutely appreciate you
I have watched 30 of you videos so far and found your analysis to be brilliant.
I have recently found out that I have an INTJ personality.
Unfortunately I find that you have made a generalisation in this video at 09:07 that may not be true. You state that Te results in group think.
From personal experience I seek the truth. In a meeting with 9 others I suggested option A whilst the other 9 suggested option B.
I certainly did not agree with the group (group think) and said I would not accept option B. I was prepared to escalate to middle management. If option A was not agreed, I would escalate to upper management. If upper management did not agree with option A, I would be prepared to select the nuclear option and 'go public'.
In the end, upper management agreed with me and the other 9 group members made a U-turn.
Subsequently I was found to be 100% correct, but this decision was so stressful.
I don't know if Ni or a lack of social skills
contributed to my decision making? I don't care for group think, if it is a bad decision.
Seeking truth doesnt mean you won't default to collective thinking until proven wrong later. This is what group think is.
@@CSJoseph you have lost me. Thanks for your reply though. Your typing videos, social engineering videos and 'who are... (16 personalities)' videos are dope! Nothing wrong with learning psychology from 'the street'. I'm learning psychology from you and UA-cam!
I know what group think is.
Psychology today- definition: 'Groupthink occurs when a group of well-intentioned people make irrational or non-optimal decisions that are spurred by the urge to conform or the discouragement of dissent. This problematic or premature consensus may be fueled by a particular agenda or simply because group members value harmony and coherence above rational thinking'.
INTJs are iconoclastic so less likely to go under groupthink. INTJs are thought to be the most independent of the 16 personalities. Knowledge is power and Te helps a lot.
Are you saying Ti users are more likely to innovate than Te users?
I can sort of understand their obsession with credentials. competent people are the more empowered to come to more authentic conclusions
actually, the rational functions are both Feeling and Thinking. They make judgements based on their own type of rationality. The irrational functions are Intuition and Sensing; they do not have any rationality, they just 'perceive'.
Think about a board meeting that an ENTJ ceo has called for. He or she will make a decision about his or her company following thru with a merger based on the credentials of the people whose thoughts he or she depends on to make a decision.
Extroverted thinking sounds a lot like the 'Ethos' which Aristotle talks about in his book on rhetoric. He says that ethos or credibility is the most important requirement for winning debates, more important than logic or feelings. I guess that's why ENTJ and ESTJ are considered the most powerful leaders because they love collecting credible knowledge and looking credible.
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I actually dont care about credentials as a Te dom, was big on titles and ranks when I was younger. I think as you get older you realise credentials are irrelevant, its really continuous learning well into adulthood that really is life impacting for personal growth in whatever areas you're seeking.
But the fact you did care makes me correct still. And every now and then you may catch yourself still caring, be it internally or externally.
ENTJs like creditentials but that’s just an example of the credit we seek. We don’t care if you don’t have a creditental, we only care about having some concrete proof that you’re worth listening too. We seek some form of results or concrete credit and this can (but usually doesn’t) come from a credential.
Te as groupthink!!!
Could it be that the reason Extraverted Thinkers desire credentials (for themselves and from those providing thoughts) is because today, at least in the US culture that I know, credentials are typically seen as a symbol of academic achievement? So credentials are valid because we agree they're valid.