I think it felt nastier than usual ones because they normally make a sweeping generalisation such as ‘here is something to make women look prettier’, whereas this was very directed and personal - ‘ this woman wouldn’t be as ugly if she would just do this’. But yeah I agree it made me feel uncomfortable too! Overall I think the makeup was very nice (particularly that blush!) but I dislike overdrawn lips in any situation so I much preferred your silliness lips to the ones he recommended.
I totally agree. That was a savage burn in the video. Wow! I think your makeup turned out great, minus the lips LOL! I think you had them right the first time. Eyes and blush are great, would love to try this myself (partly, not the lips but I “need” that color!). Ladies, embrace your face, no matter the shape. You will have it for a lifetime! 💖
@@P0nyl0ve No jury would have found her guilty if she had! 🎶 Understandable, understandable, yes it's perfectly understandable. Comprehensible, comprehensible, not a bit reprehensible, it's so defensible🎶
Tutorials given by women: positive tells girls to be themselves and teaches them to be healthy Tutorials given by men: if you have a round face you will bring dishonor to your family
Tell that to Mulan. Her face is literally a pointy circle ( not on oval just a circle with a pointy edge) but the entire movie is about her bringing honor to her family....srry random fact
I'm in my 50s and to be honest, I probably wouldn't have noticed these comments if you hadn't pointed it out, which just goes to show what we got used to until recently! I absolutely agree with some commenters about the older generations being very critical, they were masters of "the look" and my mom (nearly 80) still does it to me as her mom did to her until 2 yrs ago (Granny was 101...), my MIL, too... :o I have started telling my mom I will wear what I like... she says things like "you know 'we' can't wear that sort of thing..." (we are both short and plus-sized) and then is really surprised when I wear something that doesn't follow her rules and then she compliments me LOL In fact, I was very amused to visit her last week and see her wearing exactly my "uniform" of skirted or A-line tunics and leggings, hilarious in fact!! I am very glad my 3 daughters of all shapes and sizes have grown up with a lot more body/looks confidence than I ever had, I'm so proud of them (aged 36, 29 and 24) as smart, strong and beautiful women :)
Hello, thank just wanted to say that it sounds amazing that you are finding yourself and are starting to stick up for yourself. I think that it is very difficult to do so, especially to loved ones and I commemorate you for that. You sound like a lovely mother and I’m positive you’re girls turned out great because they had you to look to for guidance. Hope you and you’re family are doing well. Stay safe!
@@normalgirlsza the only people who say that are people who have done ZERO research on the time period they claim to love. Some people are just stupid and you can't fix stupid because they believe they are so smart they have nothing else to learn. The stupid believe they are always right and they never consider other points of view. Never alter their opinions when they learn new facts. There's nothing any of us can tell them that will change their mind or that will open their eyes. What's worse is that these idiots give the rest of us bad names. Others treat those of us who enjoy historical fashion as idiots who don't know history and don't know the bad parts of history when that couldn't be further from the truth. They do it because of the stupid ones. For every ONE intelligent and aware vintage fan there are 20 idiots.
This explains why our grandmas are so cruel to us telling that we should lose weight or dress certains ways or pointing out the acne we have when we're teenagers... like, men and the rest of society were always judging them by their appearance! So sad!
I've noticed something similar. Hurts of the generation tend to be passed down to their children so we must recognize and eliminate them. Of course there were good things too, but the more stories I hear the more I realize it. We all have had both mental and genetic memory. Body and soul have been interconnected across time, and it's our duty to find both wisdom and happiness for the sake of those who come after.
Yessss! My grandma was so mean lol my mom was not nice either. And now being 37 the things they told me effects me to this day. Luckily they don't say mean things to my kids.
@@TheSelena2721 it's so interesting to me that this behavior is universal, I'm from Chile in southamerica and it seems that our older generation of women is affected by this kind of culture in many places around the world!
That’s probably why. Also why back than my mom claims everyone was so beautiful and now what happened 😂😅 probably people didn’t want to get judged so really kept their looks. Now everyone is just careless which isn’t bad.
The "there isnt a woman in the world who cant become more beautiful" kinda struck me... Kinda implies the bar will always be raised no matter what you do
That phrase made me think its kinda funny how women have these set standards or things to do when it comes to their looks that its kind of like a requirement? But men like, dont have to put in any effort at all, they get a pass for looking musty and crusty, kinda sucks.
@@lala-4458 Yeah, but as a woman, I don't want to look musty and crusty. lol I put makeup on only for myself. I like makeup and don't do it to please others. I do it only for me. Besides, I'm a lesbian, so I don't care about the opinion of some man. Lmao!
@@ReptilianTeaDrinker i mean thats cool but at the end youre still doing whats thought to be "what women should do" if you get me? But i also do that, so like, at the end we both just fall into the standard thing, sorry im not very articulate in trying to get what i want to say across. I'm also a lesbian too!
Oh yeah, imagine how horrifying it would be if they had medicine at the standards we do today, men would have expected all women to get plastic surgery
I know and even today they say it! Oval can do anything it's awesome but round face, heart face, the list goes on. Wear this this way or that way. We dont' wanna accentuate your faults! You should hide yourself behind these techniques. I am who I am. I have a round wide face, with wideset huge eyes, and a big nose, and cupid bow lips GET OVER IT! I'm sitll trying to fight thru all the shame my aunts and grandparents put on me growing up. Telling me I was fat and saying that no man wants a fat woman. www.deviantart.com/dreamsofcolours/art/Something-to-think-about-865878801
I mean it wasn't just the makeup, she also changed hairstyle. The "correct" one was a lot higher and have more height to her face, which balanced out the with and gave her a more oval-like face shape. If anything, the video should have been about the "right" hairstyles for round faces. I think the hairstyle did so much more to change the arperense of her face shape than the makeup. And those nasty comments were so uncalled for! So rude
Why would she be ashamed in front of her family, because of the round face? Isn't face shape and all that jazz genetics??? Meaning that majority of relatives also??? have round faces??? Should the whole family just hide in the woods????? I NEED ANSWERS
I really liked hearing how you described round faces and that you think theyre cute. I feel like nobody really likes round faces and i always felt it made me look fat even though im skinny. Its nice to hear someone praise my face shape.
Men: Make-up is a woman thing only Also men: But let me tell you exactly how you should wear and insult you if you don't do as I say I think you're right to feel offended, that was super harsh!! I feel bad for that lady.
@Janne Simi Well that's just not true, what do you want me to say? Men set beauty standards, men are responsible for sexism. And yes, some women spread those standards, yes some are sexist, it's internalized misogyny, it's, consciously or not, a way to survive better by being on the same side as the dominants. But they don't gain anything by bringing each other down. Men do. Because that way women fight each other instead of fighting misogyny. And just... No. Women are not more judgemental than men. Women are trying to redefine the standards, to break them, and have been all throughout history.
other tutorials: A lady with a round face might want to apply her blush like this to enhance her natural features westmore: if she applied her blush like this she'd be less ugly and more pleasant to look at lol
I feel SO sorry for women in previous generations. We talk a lot, now a days, about sexual harassment and being viewed as sex objects by men but back then... OMG! There are plenty of inequities today but I am sooooooooooo glad to be raising kids with a man of today. Whew! Btw, loepsie, you are a beautiful person, inside and out. 🙂
Sexual harassment and being viewed as sex objects still exists today. The only difference is that we have the leeway to speak up and fight against it more. But a lot of women aren’t granted that luxury depending on culture, tradition, religion, etc.
@@a.l.michael6240 Well it's still hard to stand up to it tbh. With strangers yeah tell them to fuck off. Sure you CAN report your boss for sexual harassment but there is actually no way that can work out well for you. They ether stay where they are and are still your boss expect you have reported them... or they get fired and no one will treat you like a person but that girl that got that poor man tired. And not trust you with anything.
He was quite rude. He essentially said she was a hideous woman with a face she should be ashamed of...an embarrassment to herself and her family. I find that abhorrent. He actually made it worse by claiming she was “enhancing her natural beauty” with the “correct” makeup when he previously had been insulting her appearance. Also, calling her “Round Face” and “Miss Round Face” was awful. She has a name. She is a person. Treat her as such.
Unfortunately women back then were just objects and we weren’t classified as a human being. It’s sad but we came a long way. Also does it bother anyone else that a man is behind a makeup tutorial and not a woman?
@@naomif.8254 i guess, a man giving advice on makeup back then, was making more of an impact on women. at that time, many women were still thinking mostly about finding a man and having a family. if men found them unattractive without makeup or with the wrong makeup, for sure they wouldn't find a husband. sure, women wanted to impress other women back then as well, but the point was to be attractive to the opposite gender (since being gay was out of the question). and women were probably not employed as TV presenters, back then?
They did that throughout the series. I think because the idea was they were anonymous "regular women." Also, sadly, the main beauty experts pre probably 1960s were men.
@Melissa Rose I know, right? If a man is going to give me makeup advice, he better not look conservative and sober. There is nothing about that guy's style that would make me think he knows anything about makeup. Or cares about it.
This makes me realize maybe why my grandmother was so openly critical as she was around the age of the woman at the time this video was made. Seems to be common where these beauty videos from back then are quite harsh and rigid.
Same, I clicked on the video thinking it was gonna be the typical mysogonistic generalizations and something like "you have to please the man and look pretty to have a right to exist" but it was more like "you dishonor your entire bloodline by having a round face"
MarMar how dare you have the audacity to exist with a face like that?! Are you trying to offend the people around you? If you have enough time to dishonor your family and offend the general population you have enough time to at least TRY to not look like satan’s second son.
( 3:34 ) “Her face is drab, and she simply wouldn’t be fair to herself or her family if she continued to look like this'. * cute sound effects of the video plays as both me and Lucy open our mouths widely *
“Her face is drab, and she simply wouldn’t be fair to herself or her family if she continued to look like this.” He’s claiming a woman has some sort of moral obligation to hide her “drab” natural face to please others! He denies her right to self-determination. And he’s also insulting God, who made her “drab” face!
And then men have the audacity to make fun of women who wear make up because it's "false advertising" like cheers David, bless you for talking about these girls as if they are products for you to buy as if it’s not dehumanizing or anything.
I think the obligation is the thing that made it even more offensive than other vintage videos that I've seen. He doesn't just insult her, he says it's her fault and she must do something about it.
he basically dehumanizes her by calling her looks offensive, like you can’t be a functioning human being if you don’t have makeup. i’m upset, let’s all line up and punch him.
Tbh, I see a lot of this attitude still hanging around in makeup trends today (you have to have an angular, "contoured" face, you have to have lots of eye makeup, you have to apply makeup in a very specific way, etc.) it's just pitched in a much softer, more subtle way. We have made progress on this front, but beauty companies still profit off of our insecurities and the rise of social media has only made the situation worse as one specific way of being "good at makeup" has risen to the top thanks to beauty gurus.
Aww sweetie I hope you’re feel more confident over time rather than tearing yourself down. I know it’s hard, speaking from experience, but I’m positive you’ll get there. Just remember that you are important and that people are like plants, you need to nourish them and speak kindly to them in order to truly flourish. I hope you go far in life; the fact that you are working on creating better behavior tells me you will.;)
People defending the video are saying that "they had different manners back then". But all I've heard my whole life is people saying that "they were more polite and respectful back then" and people nowadays are "so rude." I think it boils down to bitter old people and delusional hipsters.
She has an oblong face shape and just wider cheeks. Round face shape have rounder jawline, she had very angular jaw. Such a shame he was calling her miss round face the whole time when she's not
Someone needed to tell this fella the rule about how if someone can't fix something in five seconds (spinach in teeth, smudged mascara, etc) then you should NOT point it out or criticize it.
Older-timey announcer man: "Her face is drab, and she simply wouldn't be fair to herself or her family if she continued to look like this." My round face: 🥺
She was such a beautiful lady... imagine looking back at your young years and that video is the only thing you have, or your only debut on camera. What a horrible man!
Ah yes I love the time when dudes gave advice on feminine products while looking like an absolute dumptruck, where’s his natural brows and beautiful eyes 👀
I've always thought you were more of a rounded heart...but I have no idea what my shape is either so what do I know? Today we learned a new blush placement that weirdly worked, in that it looked pretty, and that this time period was filled with sexist assholes. Granted I already knew this as my grandmother still values being thin over anything, but to hear him just come out and say that a woman's worth was determined by her attractiveness was a bit of a shock.
Wow, you are so unbelievably beautiful! I agree with you about the round "doll face" aesthetic. It makes me feel better about having a round face too. 😅
Is it just me or is the final look a little brighter than the "uglier" ones? Like of course she looks "better" when it's more overexposed because that reduces wrinkles and facial features, it's essentially old facetune?
Oh wow... that dude! Also because you mentioned the toothpick pin curls: My mum told me my grandmother used to use beer as a setting lotion for her curls. She would just dip an old toothbrush into beer and then brush the lock with it. Then proceed to do the pin curl as usual. I think this sounds really interesting and I wondered if you would like to try it out. She said it worked really good, gave nice curls and the hair did not smell like beer. Together with the toothpicks it would have some major bar vibes! (And don't let Mr. Westmore make you lose your confidence, your round face is really pretty!)
Agi Magi that’s actually a great idea I’d like to try. One crazy morning, after a music festival, my friend and I woke up with BEAUTIFUL HAIR. THE BEST I’VE EVER HAD. Shiny, soft, untangled. We later realized it was because of the beer thrown accidentally to our heads... ok, the story was kind of a serendipity one, don’t get distracted, the point is that we further researched and beer is actually good for your hair. Cheers! 🍻
I've used beer as a protein treatment on my hair and it really does work to tighten up my natural curls when they're kind of dry and limp. Would be a cool video to see trying it with pin curls!
The nastiness of the man aside, the blusher tip is interesting. It almost looks like a precursor to contouring and bronzer today, so it's interesting to see that evolution.
I think this guy seriously needs to follow his own advice he certainly isn’t a. Adonis b. Brad Pitt c. George Clooney snd he has the charm of a hammer to the head. Why do some dudes think they would know the first thing about class and style when they IMHO don’t look it?
PREACH. I've always thought it strange that so many male MUAs/fashion designers look wrecked. Also, thank you for my new favorite insult: "the charm of a hammer to the head".
I don't know about that, but I think he was just a paid speaker. Whether he shared these opinions or not, nobody can say today ^^". And at that time everything was anyway still more extreme than today, unfortunately xx.
I'm not sure if I'm correct but in Russia a round face is considered beautiful. Since the moon is often the symbol of femininity, Russian women refer to round face as a beautiful moon face.
@Altoid Bazingá are you slavic? Cause from my experience as slavic girl with round face never have i heard a compliment about it, only to loose weight lol, round blushed faces used to be a canon of beauty centurys ago, nowadays oval face is considered ,,the best"
In Switzerland everyone seems to want a small and petite face/head lol my grandmother had a lot of pride in her children and grandchildren’s small features it was always so strange to me 😆
That man is criticizing girls’ faces more than doing a tutorial. He is saying what and what not to wear and how to look instead of showing how to apply it. That man is certainly sexist and is degrading women.
This is one of those videos that make me feel glad to live in the modern age. Rachel Maksy just did a video on that group of folks who keep telling vintage lovers they were born in the wrong time - she's like NOPE haha
I was already offended at, "here's ms. Round face." Like, can we give her character a name if we're not going to use the lady's actual name? Also, I'm being sooo unfair to my family for subjecting them to my natural face with no makeup! Lol what? Ewww!
I love how he's sitting there insulting the (very pretty) lady, like babes, you're not exactly an oil painting yourself. I feel so bad for women who had to deal with these gross ass men telling them what is and isn't "pretty."
Honestly, it's not you being too sensitiv: I watched this video with my husband he said 'Nope, she's right. I'm offended by the comments and the way that guy talks to the women (his audience) and I'm a man and not the target of these comments" - and I fully agree with this!
Just another man making women feel insecure about parts of their face or body to use his products 🙃😂that’s all cosmetic companies use to do, they still do now (feed on your insecurities) but in a different way
Tammy Xx Women designers and CEO’s are just as bad. This isn’t a gender thing but a humanity thing. We can be just as cruel to men and it is almost the other end of sexism to ignore that
Yennifer Ramoz I’m far from dumb I can guarantee that because I don’t sit down and text a stranger rude messages like that like a child xx 😘 because I can bet you wouldn’t dare say that to my face if you knew me it’s only an opinion take it how you want it but don’t call people names or misjudge their intelligence
When you first applied the blush I was like well that's doing nothing, but when you did the other side it did actually made your face more oval ... And I agree I like round faces a lot as you said very doll like ❤️ and dude was very rude wtf😂
The woman looked good with either make-up look, as well as without make-up. And the guy was incredibly rude. But, that was the time, a woman had a responsibility to look good and there was just one way to do it, one face shape, one body shape, one desirable aesthetic. It kinda reminds me of my issues with people who are like "Oh, I wish I lived in (insert decade here), the clothes and hairstyles were so much prettier back then." You can still wear that stuff today. Today, you can look any way you want, whereas back then you had to look a certain way to be deemed acceptable, and that acceptable standard had very real sexist and racist undertones and implications.
Mmmmm I disagree. People can’t just go about dressing how they want. People are equally as rude and judge mental and condemnatory now as they were then, the standard may have shifted to more attainable wearable standards, but if you dress outside of it, you’ll notice that there is still a very specific standard. Unfortunately Racism and sexism are very much alive. It just doesn’t effect some people personally, because people don’t talk about it, so they don’t hear of it. But that doesn’t mean it’s not still very much a reality for some people. If you were to dress truly individually, you’d see the effects of those standards. Your social circle, your social standing, the way you feel about yourself, you may notice you feel that you’re not allowed to feel good about yourself. There are more, and it’s honestly fascinating to see that some people think individuality is acceptable. At least this is what I’ve noticed in my experience.
Samantha A I think YOU were trying to say they’d be wishing away a lot of progress. The original comment was incredibly ignorant and deceptively optimistic. It would amazing to live in a world so happy and equal. But it’s unfair to minimize the daily struggles of many people who do not have the advantage of living in the world the original commenter seems to live in. Their comment was ignorant and begs to be corrected :/ as harsh as that is. It’s not okay to just say “it’s all good now, cause it was worse then” it’s not all good now. And that needs to be said.
@@TheVampireTwinz I think both your and her perspective make sense. No not everything is well and good in todays society. It depends on where you live as well. But we can agree that there are more opportunities for more people nowadays. Simply because we progressed in time and in styles. It's easier to have more options of wearing clothes nowadays because there are simply more decades and options to choose from. I do believe there are more possibilities in most societies nowadays (and possibly more so in the future), but it depends on so many factors like country, culture, type of government. Of course there are less options for people in a country like North-Korea but for most of the western countries the options are better now. While back in the day restrictions were also there in most western countries. So there is some progress, just not a completely linear line of progress.
Just wanted to say dear Leopsie, been fan of your videos & long subscriber if may I say ^^ always enjoyed your content super happy to see how much your channel grew & a lot of variety including crafting art etc bless , keep it up thank you for your hard work!
The man in this tutorial was basically like “you hate how you look and you should HOWEVER, you also shouldn’t because you can make yourself look like a completely different person!”
The tutorial was very offensive to round face shapes. You look great as always. I personally think your natural lip shape is perfect for your natural face shape. Looking forward to more vintage tutorials.
Your “problem” is that you are actually lovely. You have a smile that makes lips a highlight and beautiful smiling dark eyes. Combined with clear skin and youthfulness makes you a pretty woman for all your life.
Funny how he closes with saying the make-up enhances her natural beauty when every step of the routine was a way to change what her natural round faceshape looks like....
I love your doll-like face! It’s weird how that time period was all over oval faces when all faces are so pretty for diff reasons Also, I’ve heard my own mother and grandmother spout some of this depreciating nonsense. I like vintage things, but I do find it wild how thinly veiled these grooming statements are. “there isn’t a woman in the world who can’t become more beautiful” and other such comments really do worm their way into ones psyche and stay there. I don’t believe that our generation is too sensitive, I think we have the knowledge of mental health and the necessary tools to deem certain choices of words as damaging. While this was a different time in history, I find it still pertinent to compare the time periods for growth. Both are equally lovely in their own way, and show beauty throughout the centuries, but we don’t have to continue the time honored tradition of putting others down to lift ourselves up. All in all, cool video! (Edited for spelling)
Evelyn Pinkley - Thank you. I really appreciated your comment. In particular, mentioning we are more aware of mental health - not thin-skinned without reason.
Yes exactly! Very well put. It's funny, whenever someone tries to stand up for himself nowadays the reaction is often: you are too sensitive or soft.... Meaning: it's your fault if I say something that hurts you, I don't want to change my wording. I think that although times and cultures may differ, human nature doesn't change all that much.
Ouch, that tutorial certainly wasn't kind to the rounder faces. But I think you did a good job following it! I especially like it with your natural lip shape!
Back in 2003 when I was looking for SFX makeup schools, Westmore was a huge name. I never got into doing movie makeup, unfortunately, but this video is more informative than anything you could’ve researched back then.
Oh my! Your round face shape is so amazingly beautiful! I have an oval face shape and I would give it up to have a cute face like yours! Beautiful face shapes are completely subjective!
I agree the model looked much more square than round faced, and agree that your natural lip shape looks adorable on your face! I think the widened lip looked especially attange on you bc your face is actually round (or maybe heart shaped) - in any case your jaw tapers, so the wider lips looked out of proportion, whereas her jaw was rather square, so it could more easily contain wider looking lips. (And the round overdrawn ones did indeed look bad.) Probably the fact you had to overdraw to get wider is why it seems weird - using a light base and underdrawing the lips' fullness might've given a better "wide" effect. And I bet that blush placement worked bc it was the precursor to modern contouring methods! (It's where many might place bronzer these days.)
Westmore: The eyes are the most important part of the face. Proceeds to give no instructions on how to do eye makeup. Maybe I am just not used to seeing people with a lot of makeup on, but when you elongated your lip shape it started giving me serious Joker vibes.
I would definitely say you have a heart shaped face! You taper at the chin and and gradually gain width towards the forehead. I love the heart shaped face as it’s my own shape haha
Wow! Westmore is savage. He's not sugar coating or beating around the bush. I could see the blush actually being something that might help the face look less round. It was mainly the change in hair style that actually seemed to have more affect tho. It's interesting that they leave out talking about the hair.
you are very pretty and what you said about you liking round faces bc you think of them as more feminine ones just made me hace this warm feeling in my heart. thank you so much for being
Ahhh. The good old days? This is the kind of thing that some folks want to go back to? Women still (sadly) are too often defined by their looks, and I think social media perpetuates that in many ways. But we are making progress when most people see the problem with these kind of statements. Love your videos! Finally, regarding appearance, perhaps Mr Westmore should have followed his own advice...
I think this videos of the old days are all more ore less offensive. Today there is a culture of awareness, that is allowed, to name it. Back then the woman had to sit and listen and not give a word back.
Very true. Back in the day, a "lady" was meek and mild and never complained. Think of all the old Disney princesses. Which is why so many women then turned to valium ("mother's little helper.") My mom reminded me regularly that I would never catch a husband bc I was too outspoken. Everyone else considered me too passive. 😱 Therapy now!!!
@Chrissy 123 As a boomer and proud mom of 3 millennials (or maybe gen z's...I can't be bothered to keep that all straight) I ask my family and friends the same things all the time. Of course the next generation is different; that's the way it's supposed to be! We were all so proud of ourselves for listening to music our parents hated. And now, if I have to listen to one more angry old jerk say "back when music was good and times were simpler" I will scream. The 50s and 60s weren't all drive-ins and record stores. Like you said, if you weren't a middle class white male, well, it sucked to be you. I lived it (the 60s anyway). Don't want to go back. Music was good though. Thanks for the chance to rant! Cheers!!
I think it felt nastier than usual ones because they normally make a sweeping generalisation such as ‘here is something to make women look prettier’, whereas this was very directed and personal - ‘ this woman wouldn’t be as ugly if she would just do this’. But yeah I agree it made me feel uncomfortable too! Overall I think the makeup was very nice (particularly that blush!) but I dislike overdrawn lips in any situation so I much preferred your silliness lips to the ones he recommended.
Haha I tried to say ‘doll-like’ and it autocorrected to ‘silliness’ - I in no way think your lips are silly! 😅
That's a very good point, actually. I think you're right about this one being much more personal and therefore harder to swallow
yeah, I kept thinking if I were the woman in the video I'd probably end up crying lol
I totally agree. That was a savage burn in the video. Wow! I think your makeup turned out great, minus the lips LOL! I think you had them right the first time. Eyes and blush are great, would love to try this myself (partly, not the lips but I “need” that color!). Ladies, embrace your face, no matter the shape. You will have it for a lifetime! 💖
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Woman: has round face
Westmore: dishonor on you, dishonor on your cow
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Lol, glad I'm not the only one who immediately thought that.
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This comment had me literally laughing out loud. Thank you.
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Imagine that woman who had to just sit there and take all those insults.
I have the greatest respect for that woman for not murdering that Mr. Westmore on the spot!
@@P0nyl0ve No jury would have found her guilty if she had!
🎶 Understandable, understandable, yes it's perfectly understandable. Comprehensible, comprehensible, not a bit reprehensible, it's so defensible🎶
It may have been a voice-over.
@C. Bright I like to think that's the way it played out.
Models in those days were object-like workers. Something like furniture. Until the 80's they were not famous or made nice money.
"It wouldn't be fair to her family or to herself if she continued to look like this." 😲💀
Didn’t her family give her the genes to look like that?!? I don’t get ittt?!?
@@emmanuelaadebisi5743 Exactly. It's all in the genes.
Tutorials given by women: positive tells girls to be themselves and teaches them to be healthy
Tutorials given by men: if you have a round face you will bring dishonor to your family
Dishonor on your cow
Tell that to Mulan. Her face is literally a pointy circle ( not on oval just a circle with a pointy edge) but the entire movie is about her bringing honor to her family....srry random fact
*men from the 1960's
There I fixed it.
s g while it is a generalization, I think they may have been referencing this: ua-cam.com/video/NdzJfiQSh7c/v-deo.html
I hope my square head is dishonoring my family. They deserve it for giving me such genes.
I love how he says it enhanced her natural beauty when according to him she didn’t have any! Shame on him
This 😂😂
That’s what I thought
I peeped that too lol
Lol, I was going to comment the same thing. Great minds think alike!
She looked better before, at least on film.
I'm in my 50s and to be honest, I probably wouldn't have noticed these comments if you hadn't pointed it out, which just goes to show what we got used to until recently! I absolutely agree with some commenters about the older generations being very critical, they were masters of "the look" and my mom (nearly 80) still does it to me as her mom did to her until 2 yrs ago (Granny was 101...), my MIL, too... :o I have started telling my mom I will wear what I like... she says things like "you know 'we' can't wear that sort of thing..." (we are both short and plus-sized) and then is really surprised when I wear something that doesn't follow her rules and then she compliments me LOL In fact, I was very amused to visit her last week and see her wearing exactly my "uniform" of skirted or A-line tunics and leggings, hilarious in fact!!
I am very glad my 3 daughters of all shapes and sizes have grown up with a lot more body/looks confidence than I ever had, I'm so proud of them (aged 36, 29 and 24) as smart, strong and beautiful women :)
Hey, teen here, I'm glad you've got that self confidence and have started standing up for yourself, you and your daughters sound lovely
Hello, thank just wanted to say that it sounds amazing that you are finding yourself and are starting to stick up for yourself. I think that it is very difficult to do so, especially to loved ones and I commemorate you for that. You sound like a lovely mother and I’m positive you’re girls turned out great because they had you to look to for guidance. Hope you and you’re family are doing well. Stay safe!
I just want to congratulate you on unlearning all that BS. You're awesome ⭐
Lol this is why I cringe when I hear people romanticizing the 60's. Gotta love vintage fashion, but the 60's can keep their vintage ideals. ✌️
When birth control pills first came out, a woman had to be married and had to have written permission from her husband to get them. LOL
It is beyond me why older people feel any sort of generational superiority. Like WHY?
like you can enjoy the music and fashion but you don’t need to be like “i was born in the wrong generation 🙄” all the time.
@@normalgirlsza the only people who say that are people who have done ZERO research on the time period they claim to love. Some people are just stupid and you can't fix stupid because they believe they are so smart they have nothing else to learn. The stupid believe they are always right and they never consider other points of view. Never alter their opinions when they learn new facts. There's nothing any of us can tell them that will change their mind or that will open their eyes. What's worse is that these idiots give the rest of us bad names. Others treat those of us who enjoy historical fashion as idiots who don't know history and don't know the bad parts of history when that couldn't be further from the truth. They do it because of the stupid ones. For every ONE intelligent and aware vintage fan there are 20 idiots.
Vintage fashion not vintage values
This explains why our grandmas are so cruel to us telling that we should lose weight or dress certains ways or pointing out the acne we have when we're teenagers... like, men and the rest of society were always judging them by their appearance! So sad!
I've noticed something similar. Hurts of the generation tend to be passed down to their children so we must recognize and eliminate them.
Of course there were good things too, but the more stories I hear the more I realize it. We all have had both mental and genetic memory. Body and soul have been interconnected across time, and it's our duty to find both wisdom and happiness for the sake of those who come after.
@@Ama-Elaini yes I totally agree with you
Yessss! My grandma was so mean lol my mom was not nice either. And now being 37 the things they told me effects me to this day. Luckily they don't say mean things to my kids.
@@TheSelena2721 it's so interesting to me that this behavior is universal, I'm from Chile in southamerica and it seems that our older generation of women is affected by this kind of culture in many places around the world!
That’s probably why. Also why back than my mom claims everyone was so beautiful and now what happened 😂😅 probably people didn’t want to get judged so really kept their looks. Now everyone is just careless which isn’t bad.
The "there isnt a woman in the world who cant become more beautiful" kinda struck me... Kinda implies the bar will always be raised no matter what you do
That phrase made me think its kinda funny how women have these set standards or things to do when it comes to their looks that its kind of like a requirement? But men like, dont have to put in any effort at all, they get a pass for looking musty and crusty, kinda sucks.
@@lala-4458 Yeah, but as a woman, I don't want to look musty and crusty. lol I put makeup on only for myself. I like makeup and don't do it to please others. I do it only for me. Besides, I'm a lesbian, so I don't care about the opinion of some man. Lmao!
@@ReptilianTeaDrinker i mean thats cool but at the end youre still doing whats thought to be "what women should do" if you get me? But i also do that, so like, at the end we both just fall into the standard thing, sorry im not very articulate in trying to get what i want to say across. I'm also a lesbian too!
Oh yeah, imagine how horrifying it would be if they had medicine at the standards we do today, men would have expected all women to get plastic surgery
@@Jade-fs9kh and then probably shame them for not being a "natural beauty"
Woman with head shape other that oval: *exist*
This dude: THE AUDACITY!!!!
I know and even today they say it! Oval can do anything it's awesome but round face, heart face, the list goes on. Wear this this way or that way. We dont' wanna accentuate your faults! You should hide yourself behind these techniques. I am who I am. I have a round wide face, with wideset huge eyes, and a big nose, and cupid bow lips GET OVER IT! I'm sitll trying to fight thru all the shame my aunts and grandparents put on me growing up. Telling me I was fat and saying that no man wants a fat woman.
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I mean it wasn't just the makeup, she also changed hairstyle. The "correct" one was a lot higher and have more height to her face, which balanced out the with and gave her a more oval-like face shape. If anything, the video should have been about the "right" hairstyles for round faces. I think the hairstyle did so much more to change the arperense of her face shape than the makeup. And those nasty comments were so uncalled for! So rude
Why would she be ashamed in front of her family, because of the round face? Isn't face shape and all that jazz genetics??? Meaning that majority of relatives also??? have round faces??? Should the whole family just hide in the woods????? I NEED ANSWERS
Well, if that guy wouldn't find them there, living in the woods is not a bad idea:-)
😂😂
Live in the woods 😂🤣😂🤣
He said a disservice not a shame. But still
I feel like he was more referring to the fact that she wasn't wearing makeup rather than having a round face.
If he calls my people “MISS ROUND FACE” one more time, he’s gonna catch these hands 🖐🏻🖐🏻
Good thing hes just a box of bones now
sad reee I-
@@Chanhee well shiii
sad reee damn-
he’s gonna catch my two left hands
I really liked hearing how you described round faces and that you think theyre cute. I feel like nobody really likes round faces and i always felt it made me look fat even though im skinny. Its nice to hear someone praise my face shape.
round faces are so cute!!!!
@@lilenwasnothere6867 aww! thanks!
I had a coworker with a very round face and she was beautiful!
I personally think rounder faces look adorable and young, and am not a fan of oval faces but that's just me
Round is my favorite face shape for women. It's so rare and for me personally it's the epitomy of beautiful feminine face shape
And everyone shames girls for having low self esteem.
Yea I feel like this world just doesn’t make sense
400th like 🥳
My sister, who is a model and a pageant queen who also said i needed plastic surgery when i was a child: *wHy AreNt YoU mOrE coNfident lIke mE?*
@@Whatareevenbirds omg sorry about your sister's head injury
@@Whatareevenbirds thats messed up😀 bruh
Men: Make-up is a woman thing only
Also men: But let me tell you exactly how you should wear and insult you if you don't do as I say
I think you're right to feel offended, that was super harsh!! I feel bad for that lady.
Thats how it is, and we all know men made pants without pockets.
@@jadedmist The pocketless pants are also women's fault for buying those pants
@@limiv5272 if the pants are sexy I'm going to put them on my booty And I shouldn't have to check for pockets.
@Janne Simi I like the world you're living in, it seems fun. Unfortunately that's not how it works here on my planet.
@Janne Simi Well that's just not true, what do you want me to say? Men set beauty standards, men are responsible for sexism. And yes, some women spread those standards, yes some are sexist, it's internalized misogyny, it's, consciously or not, a way to survive better by being on the same side as the dominants. But they don't gain anything by bringing each other down. Men do. Because that way women fight each other instead of fighting misogyny.
And just... No. Women are not more judgemental than men. Women are trying to redefine the standards, to break them, and have been all throughout history.
other tutorials: A lady with a round face might want to apply her blush like this to enhance her natural features
westmore: if she applied her blush like this she'd be less ugly and more pleasant to look at lol
This guy is terrible. Not to mention, the hair had more effect than the makeup did.
That was my thought exactly!
yeah exactly ofc an updo and uncovered forehead would make her face look longer while a slicked down style would just enhance her natural shape.
And the lipstick actually made her face wider, I think
EXACTLY!
Ikr
“Ms Round Face” lmao Troom Troom who
This actually made me choke on my drink 😂
Jamie Morgan 💀
I feel SO sorry for women in previous generations. We talk a lot, now a days, about sexual harassment and being viewed as sex objects by men but back then... OMG! There are plenty of inequities today but I am sooooooooooo glad to be raising kids with a man of today. Whew!
Btw, loepsie, you are a beautiful person, inside and out. 🙂
Sexual harassment and being viewed as sex objects still exists today. The only difference is that we have the leeway to speak up and fight against it more. But a lot of women aren’t granted that luxury depending on culture, tradition, religion, etc.
@@a.l.michael6240 Well it's still hard to stand up to it tbh. With strangers yeah tell them to fuck off. Sure you CAN report your boss for sexual harassment but there is actually no way that can work out well for you. They ether stay where they are and are still your boss expect you have reported them... or they get fired and no one will treat you like a person but that girl that got that poor man tired. And not trust you with anything.
He was quite rude. He essentially said she was a hideous woman with a face she should be ashamed of...an embarrassment to herself and her family. I find that abhorrent. He actually made it worse by claiming she was “enhancing her natural beauty” with the “correct” makeup when he previously had been insulting her appearance. Also, calling her “Round Face” and “Miss Round Face” was awful. She has a name. She is a person. Treat her as such.
Unfortunately women back then were just objects and we weren’t classified as a human being. It’s sad but we came a long way. Also does it bother anyone else that a man is behind a makeup tutorial and not a woman?
@@naomif.8254 i guess, a man giving advice on makeup back then, was making more of an impact on women. at that time, many women were still thinking mostly about finding a man and having a family. if men found them unattractive without makeup or with the wrong makeup, for sure they wouldn't find a husband. sure, women wanted to impress other women back then as well, but the point was to be attractive to the opposite gender (since being gay was out of the question).
and women were probably not employed as TV presenters, back then?
They did that throughout the series. I think because the idea was they were anonymous "regular women." Also, sadly, the main beauty experts pre probably 1960s were men.
@Melissa Rose I know, right? If a man is going to give me makeup advice, he better not look conservative and sober. There is nothing about that guy's style that would make me think he knows anything about makeup. Or cares about it.
This makes me realize maybe why my grandmother was so openly critical as she was around the age of the woman at the time this video was made. Seems to be common where these beauty videos from back then are quite harsh and rigid.
Thought the offensiveness would be exaggerated, I was wrong
Same, I clicked on the video thinking it was gonna be the typical mysogonistic generalizations and something like "you have to please the man and look pretty to have a right to exist" but it was more like "you dishonor your entire bloodline by having a round face"
MarMar how dare you have the audacity to exist with a face like that?! Are you trying to offend the people around you? If you have enough time to dishonor your family and offend the general population you have enough time to at least TRY to not look like satan’s second son.
@@girl-di3nn Hahhahaha satan's second son
( 3:34 ) “Her face is drab, and she simply wouldn’t be fair to herself or her family if she continued to look like this'.
* cute sound effects of the video plays as both me and Lucy open our mouths widely *
Oh same, I audibly gasped right when Lucy did. Ouch.
@@HimynameisAverie I know, right? I saved this moment as a gif
I would've been climbing over that camera like:Wanna say that to my face bitch!
Oml me too, I was like 😵😵😵 "NOOOOO HE DIDN'T JUST SAY THAT?!" What a knob jockey!! 😠🤣🤣
I couldn't believe what I was hearing lol..... My jaw dropped!
“Her face is drab, and she simply wouldn’t be fair to herself or her family if she continued to look like this.” He’s claiming a woman has some sort of moral obligation to hide her “drab” natural face to please others! He denies her right to self-determination. And he’s also insulting God, who made her “drab” face!
And she's very beautiful! Poor lady.
And then men have the audacity to make fun of women who wear make up because it's "false advertising" like cheers David, bless you for talking about these girls as if they are products for you to buy as if it’s not dehumanizing or anything.
Yikes. All face shapes are made by our perfect God, I’m sure the Artist isn’t very happy on what they say.. >:(
I think the obligation is the thing that made it even more offensive than other vintage videos that I've seen. He doesn't just insult her, he says it's her fault and she must do something about it.
The fact that women haven't murdered everyone is amazing.
THAT SMILE YOU DO AT 2:01 is SO CUTE
Person: **says something offensive and rude**
Us: **gets offended**
Person: *OmG yOur So sEnsItIve!*
It is your family who should be offended by your round face. How dare you dishonor them in this way?
You're*
he basically dehumanizes her by calling her looks offensive, like you can’t be a functioning human being if you don’t have makeup. i’m upset, let’s all line up and punch him.
I just want to get a time machine and tell that poor woman how beautiful she is, even without makeup 😭
He's dead. This was 60 years ago. Chill.
As well he doesn’t use names for the women so that dehumanises them even more
Yep but only if me and my fellow "Miss Round Faces" can punch him twice
Im so glad our society sees how offensive this video is now... like at least thats not the normal anymore.
Tbh, I see a lot of this attitude still hanging around in makeup trends today (you have to have an angular, "contoured" face, you have to have lots of eye makeup, you have to apply makeup in a very specific way, etc.) it's just pitched in a much softer, more subtle way. We have made progress on this front, but beauty companies still profit off of our insecurities and the rise of social media has only made the situation worse as one specific way of being "good at makeup" has risen to the top thanks to beauty gurus.
Him talking about her is how I talk to myself
I’m working on it
Me too. 😩
Aww sweetie I hope you’re feel more confident over time rather than tearing yourself down. I know it’s hard, speaking from experience, but I’m positive you’ll get there. Just remember that you are important and that people are like plants, you need to nourish them and speak kindly to them in order to truly flourish. I hope you go far in life; the fact that you are working on creating better behavior tells me you will.;)
People defending the video are saying that "they had different manners back then". But all I've heard my whole life is people saying that "they were more polite and respectful back then" and people nowadays are "so rude."
I think it boils down to bitter old people and delusional hipsters.
To me she looked like she wasn’t even a round face! I’m slightly nervous to see the square face one!
Spongebob, lol!
😂😂😂
Yeah her jawline wasn't round at all o.o
Bruyére Barber oh my lord
She has an oblong face shape and just wider cheeks. Round face shape have rounder jawline, she had very angular jaw. Such a shame he was calling her miss round face the whole time when she's not
Someone needed to tell this fella the rule about how if someone can't fix something in five seconds (spinach in teeth, smudged mascara, etc) then you should NOT point it out or criticize it.
Someone needed to tell me this rule this is fantastic tyty
I've actually never heard of this... What a great rule!
Older-timey announcer man: "Her face is drab, and she simply wouldn't be fair to herself or her family if she continued to look like this."
My round face: 🥺
That's soooo not true! Round faces are beautiful, I have one myself 🥰
Ok so im a big lesbian and let me just say ROUND FACES ARE THE CUTEST THINGS TO ME LIKE THEYRE SO ADORABLEEE AJXNSNXHSNNSXNSNSND❤️❤️❤️❤️
thanks Michael's Negimaki Roll
She was such a beautiful lady... imagine looking back at your young years and that video is the only thing you have, or your only debut on camera. What a horrible man!
Ah yes I love the time when dudes gave advice on feminine products while looking like an absolute dumptruck, where’s his natural brows and beautiful eyes 👀
I've always thought you were more of a rounded heart...but I have no idea what my shape is either so what do I know?
Today we learned a new blush placement that weirdly worked, in that it looked pretty, and that this time period was filled with sexist assholes. Granted I already knew this as my grandmother still values being thin over anything, but to hear him just come out and say that a woman's worth was determined by her attractiveness was a bit of a shock.
Wow, you are so unbelievably beautiful! I agree with you about the round "doll face" aesthetic. It makes me feel better about having a round face too. 😅
Is it just me or is the final look a little brighter than the "uglier" ones? Like of course she looks "better" when it's more overexposed because that reduces wrinkles and facial features, it's essentially old facetune?
It seems to me there was an issue behind the scenes that we don't know, I mean it looks like she rejected him and he's bitter about it lol
miSs RoUnD FaCE
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I thought the same!
it reminds me of that vine where the wife wants divorce and the guy just laughs about it 🙈
That never crossed my mind and the reason is that I've seen and heard plenty from this era and before, and it's par for the course, unfortunately.
Oh wow... that dude! Also because you mentioned the toothpick pin curls: My mum told me my grandmother used to use beer as a setting lotion for her curls. She would just dip an old toothbrush into beer and then brush the lock with it. Then proceed to do the pin curl as usual. I think this sounds really interesting and I wondered if you would like to try it out. She said it worked really good, gave nice curls and the hair did not smell like beer. Together with the toothpicks it would have some major bar vibes!
(And don't let Mr. Westmore make you lose your confidence, your round face is really pretty!)
Agi Magi that’s actually a great idea I’d like to try. One crazy morning, after a music festival, my friend and I woke up with BEAUTIFUL HAIR. THE BEST I’VE EVER HAD. Shiny, soft, untangled. We later realized it was because of the beer thrown accidentally to our heads... ok, the story was kind of a serendipity one, don’t get distracted, the point is that we further researched and beer is actually good for your hair. Cheers! 🍻
I've used beer as a protein treatment on my hair and it really does work to tighten up my natural curls when they're kind of dry and limp. Would be a cool video to see trying it with pin curls!
My mom used to wash her hair with beer when she was younger, she said it really softened up her hair and made it had a nice shine to it.
The nastiness of the man aside, the blusher tip is interesting. It almost looks like a precursor to contouring and bronzer today, so it's interesting to see that evolution.
Me, who has a round face: *is ready to roadhouse kick him to oblivion*
I think this guy seriously needs to follow his own advice he certainly isn’t a. Adonis b. Brad Pitt c. George Clooney snd he has the charm of a hammer to the head. Why do some dudes think they would know the first thing about class and style when they IMHO don’t look it?
PREACH. I've always thought it strange that so many male MUAs/fashion designers look wrecked. Also, thank you for my new favorite insult: "the charm of a hammer to the head".
Yeah he could use some make up to look prettier
I don't know about that, but I think he was just a paid speaker. Whether he shared these opinions or not, nobody can say today ^^".
And at that time everything was anyway still more extreme than today, unfortunately xx.
singergrrl77 I don’t think he can follow his own advice I think he’s dead
Ahmmm I think he’s dead 💀
I'm not sure if I'm correct but in Russia a round face is considered beautiful. Since the moon is often the symbol of femininity, Russian women refer to round face as a beautiful moon face.
With how round my face is and how pale i am... i might become the most beautiful woman in russia
@Altoid Bazingá are you slavic? Cause from my experience as slavic girl with round face never have i heard a compliment about it, only to loose weight lol, round blushed faces used to be a canon of beauty centurys ago, nowadays oval face is considered ,,the best"
In Switzerland everyone seems to want a small and petite face/head lol my grandmother had a lot of pride in her children and grandchildren’s small features it was always so strange to me 😆
I think it's the same in a lot of poetry.
@@haleymoon657 I'm Swiss too I never heard of that lol
I have an oval face, and I’ve always wanted a round face cause they’re super cuteee!
That man is criticizing girls’ faces more than doing a tutorial. He is saying what and what not to wear and how to look instead of showing how to apply it. That man is certainly sexist and is degrading women.
He probably was single too! Couldn't get a date
You should do one half of your face according to the "Dos" and one half according to the "Don'ts" :-D
great idea
This is one of those videos that make me feel glad to live in the modern age. Rachel Maksy just did a video on that group of folks who keep telling vintage lovers they were born in the wrong time - she's like NOPE haha
"It wouldn't be fair to herself, or her family if she continued to look like this" 💀 💀 💀
Honestly, round faces are so gorgeous! No matter how old you get your face still has a youthful glow. ❤️
"The eye makeup is the most important and should not be messed up or avoided in any circumstance"
*doesn't explain eye makeup*
I was already offended at, "here's ms. Round face." Like, can we give her character a name if we're not going to use the lady's actual name?
Also, I'm being sooo unfair to my family for subjecting them to my natural face with no makeup! Lol what? Ewww!
LMFAO my thoughts exactly smh
I love how he's sitting there insulting the (very pretty) lady, like babes, you're not exactly an oil painting yourself. I feel so bad for women who had to deal with these gross ass men telling them what is and isn't "pretty."
The fact he refers to her as "Miss Round-Face" really shows that people didn't view women as people back then.
Can we bring back public shaming at the town square? Specifically for this guy
Why does his narration feel like he's yelling at you? lol
me, someone w/ a round face that is really insecure about it, watching that man talk: 😃🔫
Honestly, it's not you being too sensitiv: I watched this video with my husband he said 'Nope, she's right. I'm offended by the comments and the way that guy talks to the women (his audience) and I'm a man and not the target of these comments" - and I fully agree with this!
Just another man making women feel insecure about parts of their face or body to use his products 🙃😂that’s all cosmetic companies use to do, they still do now (feed on your insecurities) but in a different way
Tammy Xx Women designers and CEO’s are just as bad. This isn’t a gender thing but a humanity thing. We can be just as cruel to men and it is almost the other end of sexism to ignore that
Jess yes women do do it too I’m just on about how there is a man in the video x
Yennifer Ramoz Yeah but who’s hosting the tutorial
He's simply talking in the way of that time. Right or wrong, that's just how it was.
Yennifer Ramoz I’m far from dumb I can guarantee that because I don’t sit down and text a stranger rude messages like that like a child xx 😘 because I can bet you wouldn’t dare say that to my face if you knew me it’s only an opinion take it how you want it but don’t call people names or misjudge their intelligence
When you first applied the blush I was like well that's doing nothing, but when you did the other side it did actually made your face more oval ... And I agree I like round faces a lot as you said very doll like ❤️ and dude was very rude wtf😂
Girl, the lipstick colour is gorgeous! Suits you very good❤
If he calls her "Round Face" one more time he'll turn into Katsuki Bakugo.
Bakugo narrating Uraraka's makeup tutorial
@@mikanchan322 I need to see that. NEED
The woman looked good with either make-up look, as well as without make-up. And the guy was incredibly rude. But, that was the time, a woman had a responsibility to look good and there was just one way to do it, one face shape, one body shape, one desirable aesthetic. It kinda reminds me of my issues with people who are like "Oh, I wish I lived in (insert decade here), the clothes and hairstyles were so much prettier back then." You can still wear that stuff today. Today, you can look any way you want, whereas back then you had to look a certain way to be deemed acceptable, and that acceptable standard had very real sexist and racist undertones and implications.
Mmmmm I disagree. People can’t just go about dressing how they want. People are equally as rude and judge mental and condemnatory now as they were then, the standard may have shifted to more attainable wearable standards, but if you dress outside of it, you’ll notice that there is still a very specific standard. Unfortunately Racism and sexism are very much alive. It just doesn’t effect some people personally, because people don’t talk about it, so they don’t hear of it. But that doesn’t mean it’s not still very much a reality for some people. If you were to dress truly individually, you’d see the effects of those standards. Your social circle, your social standing, the way you feel about yourself, you may notice you feel that you’re not allowed to feel good about yourself. There are more, and it’s honestly fascinating to see that some people think individuality is acceptable. At least this is what I’ve noticed in my experience.
Samantha A I think YOU were trying to say they’d be wishing away a lot of progress.
The original comment was incredibly ignorant and deceptively optimistic. It would amazing to live in a world so happy and equal. But it’s unfair to minimize the daily struggles of many people who do not have the advantage of living in the world the original commenter seems to live in. Their comment was ignorant and begs to be corrected :/ as harsh as that is. It’s not okay to just say “it’s all good now, cause it was worse then” it’s not all good now. And that needs to be said.
@@TheVampireTwinz I think both your and her perspective make sense. No not everything is well and good in todays society. It depends on where you live as well. But we can agree that there are more opportunities for more people nowadays. Simply because we progressed in time and in styles. It's easier to have more options of wearing clothes nowadays because there are simply more decades and options to choose from. I do believe there are more possibilities in most societies nowadays (and possibly more so in the future), but it depends on so many factors like country, culture, type of government. Of course there are less options for people in a country like North-Korea but for most of the western countries the options are better now. While back in the day restrictions were also there in most western countries. So there is some progress, just not a completely linear line of progress.
Lmao keep living in fantasy land
I'd hate to think how he'd respond to my pear shaped face 😂 "Your small forehead brings shame to your family!"
Just wanted to say dear Leopsie, been fan of your videos & long subscriber if may I say ^^ always enjoyed your content super happy to see how much your channel grew & a lot of variety including crafting art etc bless , keep it up thank you for your hard work!
The man in this tutorial was basically like “you hate how you look and you should HOWEVER, you also shouldn’t because you can make yourself look like a completely different person!”
The tutorial was very offensive to round face shapes. You look great as always. I personally think your natural lip shape is perfect for your natural face shape. Looking forward to more vintage tutorials.
Your “problem” is that you are actually lovely. You have a smile that makes lips a highlight and beautiful smiling dark eyes. Combined with clear skin and youthfulness makes you a pretty woman for all your life.
I do like the entirety of the eye make up. It does make your eyes genuinely prettier.
just "bringing out your natural beauty" by telling you to change how your entire face looks
Funny how he closes with saying the make-up enhances her natural beauty when every step of the routine was a way to change what her natural round faceshape looks like....
That was a very interesting video. But having a round face myself I felt just as shocked as you were 😅
I think your natural lip line is so beautiful! I like the way you do it better!
I find it interesting that we still have those kind of videos around to see the evolution of...everything.
I love your doll-like face! It’s weird how that time period was all over oval faces when all faces are so pretty for diff reasons
Also, I’ve heard my own mother and grandmother spout some of this depreciating nonsense. I like vintage things, but I do find it wild how thinly veiled these grooming statements are. “there isn’t a woman in the world who can’t become more beautiful” and other such comments really do worm their way into ones psyche and stay there.
I don’t believe that our generation is too sensitive, I think we have the knowledge of mental health and the necessary tools to deem certain choices of words as damaging.
While this was a different time in history, I find it still pertinent to compare the time periods for growth. Both are equally lovely in their own way, and show beauty throughout the centuries, but we don’t have to continue the time honored tradition of putting others down to lift ourselves up.
All in all, cool video!
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Evelyn Pinkley - Thank you. I really appreciated your comment. In particular, mentioning we are more aware of mental health - not thin-skinned without reason.
spacewolfcub thank you!
Yes exactly! Very well put. It's funny, whenever someone tries to stand up for himself nowadays the reaction is often: you are too sensitive or soft.... Meaning: it's your fault if I say something that hurts you, I don't want to change my wording. I think that although times and cultures may differ, human nature doesn't change all that much.
One of my favorite sayings to come out of the Vintage enthusiast community is “vintage fashion, not vintage values”.
People still bang on about oval faces being 'ideal' today... I'm not sure why
Ouch, that tutorial certainly wasn't kind to the rounder faces. But I think you did a good job following it! I especially like it with your natural lip shape!
i just realised you are the queen that taught me how to trim my own bangs. thank you iconic best 💕
Back in 2003 when I was looking for SFX makeup schools, Westmore was a huge name. I never got into doing movie makeup, unfortunately, but this video is more informative than anything you could’ve researched back then.
I mean, whose fault it is but that dishonoured family of mine if my face is this round? 🤔😈
Exactly! Do you think I just pulled my genes out of thin air?
I read old makeup manuals and the lips were something they wouldn’t completely fill in if they had “overly round lips”.
Me at first: this isn’t so bad
me 4 mins in: oh.
Oh my! Your round face shape is so amazingly beautiful! I have an oval face shape and I would give it up to have a cute face like yours! Beautiful face shapes are completely subjective!
I agree the model looked much more square than round faced, and agree that your natural lip shape looks adorable on your face! I think the widened lip looked especially attange on you bc your face is actually round (or maybe heart shaped) - in any case your jaw tapers, so the wider lips looked out of proportion, whereas her jaw was rather square, so it could more easily contain wider looking lips. (And the round overdrawn ones did indeed look bad.) Probably the fact you had to overdraw to get wider is why it seems weird - using a light base and underdrawing the lips' fullness might've given a better "wide" effect. And I bet that blush placement worked bc it was the precursor to modern contouring methods! (It's where many might place bronzer these days.)
The cheek of this man to appear on screen teaching make-up tips without first doing his own make up.
Okay but like I love listening to his tutorials like the voice is satisfying
So... I looked up Ern Westmore, he’s dead... I wasn’t sad about that.
Probably even the model is dead
Westmore: The eyes are the most important part of the face.
Proceeds to give no instructions on how to do eye makeup.
Maybe I am just not used to seeing people with a lot of makeup on, but when you elongated your lip shape it started giving me serious Joker vibes.
youtube algorithm recommends that i watch a joker make up tutorial after this one lmao
You have such natural beauty, Lucy. You really are stunning, round face and all. 😜😘 I do love the blush on you like this. A lot.
I love the neckline of your top!
When he said that about shaming her family I choked on my drink 😂 idk why I thought that was so funny lol 😹
I would definitely say you have a heart shaped face! You taper at the chin and and gradually gain width towards the forehead. I love the heart shaped face as it’s my own shape haha
She definitely has a heart shaped face ♥️♥️ and she is just gorgeous ❤️❤️⭐❤️❤️
ELV 엘비 I agree she has a heart shape, but her bangs (which are cute & flattering) give the illusion of a round face shape.
Oh this dude would get smacked so fast now.
Wow! Westmore is savage. He's not sugar coating or beating around the bush. I could see the blush actually being something that might help the face look less round. It was mainly the change in hair style that actually seemed to have more affect tho. It's interesting that they leave out talking about the hair.
you are very pretty and what you said about you liking round faces bc you think of them as more feminine ones just made me hace this warm feeling in my heart. thank you so much for being
Ahhh. The good old days? This is the kind of thing that some folks want to go back to?
Women still (sadly) are too often defined by their looks, and I think social media perpetuates that in many ways.
But we are making progress when most people see the problem with these kind of statements.
Love your videos!
Finally, regarding appearance, perhaps Mr Westmore should have followed his own advice...
I think this videos of the old days are all more ore less offensive. Today there is a culture of awareness, that is allowed, to name it. Back then the woman had to sit and listen and not give a word back.
Very true. Back in the day, a "lady" was meek and mild and never complained. Think of all the old Disney princesses.
Which is why so many women then turned to valium ("mother's little helper.")
My mom reminded me regularly that I would never catch a husband bc I was too outspoken. Everyone else considered me too passive. 😱
Therapy now!!!
@Chrissy 123 As a boomer and proud mom of 3 millennials (or maybe gen z's...I can't be bothered to keep that all straight) I ask my family and friends the same things all the time.
Of course the next generation is different; that's the way it's supposed to be! We were all so proud of ourselves for listening to music our parents hated. And now, if I have to listen to one more angry old jerk say "back when music was good and times were simpler" I will scream.
The 50s and 60s weren't all drive-ins and record stores. Like you said, if you weren't a middle class white male, well, it sucked to be you.
I lived it (the 60s anyway). Don't want to go back. Music was good though.
Thanks for the chance to rant! Cheers!!
@@decemberschild1504 My dad told me I'd never catch a husband if I didn't get better at housework. 😃 Good times.
I have a round face aswell and I'm super proud of how I look!
No matter what this 'tutorial' said I'm proud to look this way.
I am not sure how I got here . But your reaction is priceless . I agree with you the Model is beautiful without makeup .