Isn't it interesting though, looking at this through the lens of the current era? especially around the now growing trend of trans surgeries and the hundreds of gender identities that get so ridiculous people are trying to introduce literal animal pronouns and things like actual BUGS into their identities? It seems humans have this insatiable desire for group identity...we want to belong to a meaningful group but the problem is, all these groups never speak to MEANINGFUL human values. How much of your life can you dedicate to anthro art? Not a lot. So it has to segment, over and over and OVER until you're left with hyper-niche identities which renders a person essentially a unique individual again, but surrounding themselves with others who happen to share those qualities as well...basically....friends. Look at what main stream religion does. It has groups of like-minded people getting together once (or more) a week to all share their collective beliefs with one another, and from that, stems communal identities. Communal support. What the furry communities have been doing, is what humans have been doing since the dawn of time. Pursuing deep meaning through group identity. But when these groups fail to provide that deep meaning (because its often superficial IDENTITY driven) you end up with shallow fandoms, shallow communities, all attacking one another, dividing over and over again There's no CORE belief holding the furry fandom together. It's literally just a visual artistic representation of animals. Anything further than that gets into religion, like attributing animals to human personality, which is done for example in the Chinese zodiac and Egyptian mythology. Psychology is fascinating. There's nothing a human being can do that would render me speechless, it would just render my mind into an endless assortment of questions. Furries just want to show you whoat the they are on the inside. It's not ALWAYS that they hate who they are (they do sometimes) its that they know, that deep inside, every single human being, there's something special. A "spirit" lets say. That spirit, is invisible, and the furry fandom makes that spirit visible. Which I think is amazing, despite it being of often confused and mislead into deviant human behaviors. Kindred spirits. Lost spirits. They'll find their own way, hopefully. Fascinating story.
@@CircmcisionIsChi1dAbus3 I agree in the main, but want to suggest some ideas. First, I think the group identity follows after the inner dream. I think that “groups of people” in and of themselves, do not think make for meaning. Meaning is a relationship between an event, and the impact of that event on desires. We are social, and dream of society, so that is part of it. But it’s not the only thing- it’s the dream that animated the desire and makes things meaningful. The group identity is meaningless if you don’t care about the group. I think that it just happens that in groups, people have the opportunity to obtain the leverage to bring deep dreams to reality. A “group” of people in itself is not enough. I say this because I think that the kind of anthropological lens towards looking at philosophical ideas of meaning miss the spirit for the body. “Oh, see the bodies find meaning through bodies.” But it misses the plot. I have a friend who says “Star Wars was popular in 1977 just because of the marketing budget.” No, that isn’t why. The furry fandom I suspect DOES have core beliefs. But separate from that, I think that more importantly. the furry fandom shares a core DREAM. And it’s not just the visual artistic representation of animals. That’s another point where it is the shell rather than the essence. If I would stake my guess: The Furry fandom is about the dream of intimacy. It is the dream of feeling unalienated between the human, and the animal, starting with within one’s own skin. It is about the hearth, friendship, and very critically, sexually. It is about warmth, masculinity, and femininity. I think the furry fandom holds the human in suspicion, but rather than pursuing the alien or the transcendental (angels, vampires,) the furry pursues the animal-human mix. I think the reason people feel lost, is because they haven’t seen a representation of their ground in a way that makes sense to them.
Dude, DeviantArt will literally come up with anything. I one time stumbled upon an account which I could only best describe as "furry but with airplanes"
The guy whose hobby was bootlegging cartoons and showing them it in his hotel room looks EXACTLY how you would think someone who bootlegs cartoons and shows them in their hotel room would look
@@TWBIAP Every gamer who enjoys a violent video game is part of the mass shooting problem in the United States. Literally every one. Violent video games bad.
I think they had Halloween costumes back in the day... those suits aren't too far off. They fall somewhere between "budget costume" and "movie quality." Before the birth of civil society, cave dwellers wore animal furs... so who's the real furry now?
It's like seeing a German ww1 tank. Makes sense. You know they were there. You know they were lonely. And you wish you coulda been there to witness it.
@@ghost_1153While yes that is a problem in the world its only a small problem in the furry community since only 4% of people in the furry community are pedos/zoos. U might think the number is higher but its only because social media mostly shows the bad part of the furry community so people think most or all furries are pedos/zoos.
Eeee maybe that was the intention somewhere sometime. In reality the fandom has never had an issue with that, if people commit these crimes then theire not welcome in the fandom and that is common consensus. The burnt furs spiraled into nazis. Full blown nazis with flags and these arm ties and everything. The original posts might have made an obbious point that common decency should be held up in the fandom, but was already very hateful and aggresive. And the movement developed away from anything sensical and just became fascist nonsense. @@ghost_1153
i like how it started with "we want more silly unserious comedy, people are too serious and mainstream" and then the 80s rolled by and then "we need more serios takes on our interests in the mainstream"
@@flyhighskyguy9972 Welcome to "the urge to reproduce which is necessary to facilitate the continued existence of an intelligent species but has negative side effects such as the inevitable invention of art moving into pornography"
I feel like quite a few people don't ever realize that. Same thing where most people think the porn came first and that everyone who identifies as a furry is just a pervert. Which, by the way, (unrelated to your comment but it's been bugging me) that letter that chick wrote honestly annoyed me. How can a person care so much about what turns a person on? Seriously, I could never see myself being that disturbed by such a petty thing.
@@gokinezula1689 I've had my fair share of moments where I see some weird porn and go "oh, that's a bit much. I don't want to see that again" but that's really as far as it should get. I'll never understand the people who get so offended by fetishes. We all have at least one surely. I know I've got quite a few. As long as you're not doing something incredibly illegal or hurting someone without their consent do whatever you damn well please idgaf
yah this is more psychology than philosophy. granted there is some over lap. But the study of human behavior is more the domain of sociology, anthropology and psychology than philosophy. Philosophy deals with ideas. Furry isn't an idea. It's an identity.
@@Moon-tz1iy considering your channel's banner image has a bare ass on it with a little bit of fur and a tail, I'm not suprised you're the one to get mad at this comment
I find it incredible that with every popular long running internet fandom, it started out as a couple liking a thing, and then meeting up, causing a few other people to like a thing, then some of then proceeded to draw porn of it.
@@qwerty123sc Such is the reason why I was excited to have a DM for us to play, then found out he was a furry and was significantly less excited. Then he started us in a village of furries. Then he started making one of the NPCs romance me. Gosh I'm glad that campaign ended. Our belligerent party member accidentally blew up a potion shop and turned the village into a crater.
I agree. I was a bit concerned that there would be a bias or mocking tone but I should have known better, coming from Down the Rabbit Hole. But it was all very professional and matter-of-fact.
@@Its_Revan Precisely. For the most part, the furry fandom seemed to have this dark deviant underbelly since the beginning. While i understand the fandom has grown since its origins into something varied and diverse, is very hard to take the unsavory characteristics out of the fandom or to fully disassociate the perverted part of the community from its more innocent groups. By design, furries are damned to always be labelled as weirdos, freaks or deviants because their very origins are steeped in deviancy from social norm, albeit from an ironic and purposely vulgar style of deviancy
I believe the internet was what made them able to congregate in larger groups. It's similar to the pedo rings that are being found out all over the world.
All furies are also zoophile said and necrophile said, let's not forget. Flurries also congregate online and sometimes rollpla- I mean traffic children.
It goes way back. Disney's Robinhood was originally based off a mideval furry fanfic called Reynard the fox. Not to mention Hindu and Egyptian gods and a lot of gods from ancient cultures were furries
Ehhhh, sort of. Disney themselves took inspiration from the funny animal style used in the late 1800s but even then the use of animals with human proportions and/or features can date back as far as say the Egyptians. I think we as humans just had this coming but didn't realise it until it was too late. I'm not complainin', I'm just sayin'.
Its funny that I have found few picks from interenet as some places had either shown or sold old and I mean old sculpures showing muscular lion headed female, about 4000-5000 years old.
@@dorklymorkly3290 Yeah, you don't get It. "Ironically", by definition", means to do/say/make something with an humourous aim. Let's take gay sex (since we are under a furry video It makes sense). Picture this. I am with my group of friends playing DnD or some other RPG. I play a female character. Then we go out to get a beer and while discussing the game I say "If I was a woman irl, I would totally fuck you dude" while joking about my character and he says "Let's fuck anyway, c'on" and then laugh. That's irony. If you then have sex in the bathroom, even if you say "no homo, it's Just a joke" It doesn't make It irony. There is a clear distinction between irony and "saying something is irony just to cover my real interest in something". In fiction this can be used in many ways. But if your parody of... Let's say, YA distopya novels, doesn't make the reader understand that it's a parody you Just made a bad parody. Irony, as written in novels at the start of the 900, was pretty easy to see because the writers did a good job
If it's the 'old' parties in the early 90s, honestly, they weren't that terrible. I think he was avoiding delving too deep into the old CYD archives and such. But a lot of them were, from the rumor mill and attendees--Mostly videogames, bootleg anime, and the religious watching of Animalympics, or screenings of cartoons before they were officially released, often due to the connections people in the parties had with animation. Later parties tend to change dramatically based on the group makeup. They run the range from very much gay swinger meetups, to LAN parties, to just sitting down and watching film. The ones I've been to, due to friends dragging me along mostly have been: 1) Why are these people not using the bedroom, I'm a lil uncomfortable with this. I think I'm gonna just focus on the movie and not THAT going on next to me. 2) Hanging out with nerdy lesbian girls, talking about The Secret World, and getting involved in the local Secret World community that was a thing at the time. Somehow the only one that involved talking about fetishes, as there was a discussion on softvore and one lady's extensive dildo collection, that she also doesn't use as she had a fear of penetration. 3) Videogames and MST3k. And then more videogames and MST3k. And D&D when we got sick of it. 4) Walk in the woods to talk about ethics and religion. 5) Drawmeets, where people just sit down, shoot shit, and attempt to draw as much as possible.
Really? I feel like documentation from these old parties would be hilarious and entertaining. To hear some of the wild stuff furries ACTUALLY got/get into would be major 🍿 🍿 🍿
I remember back in the mid-90s, my mom telling me some kids at my school got in trouble for emailing each other pictures of “cartoon animals having sex”! We all loved Disney and other stuff like that (some more than others), but I never knew such stuff existed.
@Peeps Thing is, some people are _turned on_ by what most would consider not even remotely sexual things. Put aside for the moment why they are. What it means though is that we wouldn't call an image of any of those things pornographic simply on the basis you suggest would we?
@Peeps Yes, and just to add to my point, I remember as an adolescent _using_ clothing catalogues as basically pornographic material, but it's hard (no pun intended) to actually call them porn. I guess it likely comes down to what the producer intends the image to be used for.
I've heard that deviantart posts have still been banned for being pornographic recently. I think they just have a very narrow definition of what technically counts as porn, which is why fetish porn has managed to thrive over there.
Not as in-depth as it COULD be, though. If you want a full account of anthropomorphized animals sweeping art communities, you could easily go as far back as the Ancient Egyptians... hell, Ancient Greece was notorious for all its anthros in its myths. If you said it was "for the temple," you could get away with anything as an artist. I suppose the takeaway here is that when you give artists creative freedom, inevitably someone is gonna draw lewd animals.
The 1973 iteration of Robin Hood (considered now to be the *other* seminal furry cartoon film released in 1973) was a mashup of Robin Hood and Reynard the Fox, a series of legends from the 12th century that was for decades on Walt Disney's wish list of possible adaptations. And that's just one example of something people likely assume as being far more recent in nature.
I had to do classmate interviews in my creative writing class in high school. Interviewed a quiet kid and he told me he was a furry in the interview. I didn't understand the extent of what that was but proceeded to tell the class all about it and mortifying my teacher in the process.
That’s kinda a messed up thing to do, but I guess you didn’t know what a furry was or how people would react. And he didn’t know rule number one is to NEVER tell anyone. Because people hate us.
Nah. If you REALLY wanted to start at the beginning, you'd have to go well into psychological and sociological issues, all the way to basically the dawn of humanity. Egyptians had half-human half-animal hybrids as their gods. The Greeks had so. much. swan. sex. going in on their myths. The beginning of this goes way beyond anthropomorphic cartoons and art. It goes to the most base level of human psychology and sexuality. The relationship of human beings to the animal world around them is a really, really complicated thing.
16:25 - "And we actually had to deal with police who had to go through the dealers room to deal with people who were selling bootleg videotapes." Imagine being a cop in the mid 90s being called in to tell the grown man dressed as a cartoon wolf that he can't sell his "Chinese cartoons" to people in the Holiday Inn lobby.
Let's collectively take a moment to appreciate the stars that aligned to produce "Down the Rabbit Hole" and a history of furries in the same title. Also god damn, that puritanical purge manifesto read like someone cosplaying furry Hitler. There were some pretty dark undertones going on with that
Unsuprisingly there was a good deal of overlap between the Burned Furs and the Nazi furs, with even Foxler (yes actually) having claimed himself to be amongst their number. An incarnation of Burned furs have made a small comeback in the furry fandom of today, with namely older teens who want to sanitize the furry fandom. This has gottwn caught up in the much larger purge of zoophiles from the community as a whole, which looks to be actually working thankfully.
Seeing a "Furry Oc Do Not Steal" in the fucking 70s is the best type of uncannyness I've ever experienced. (Edit, The last edit was stupid so heres somethin useful, the timestamp is 7:15)
Hell, even the oldest recorded piece of art is a Furry: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-man So, if you REALLY want to blame someone, blame possibly the first artist who ever lived.
This was surprisingly more in-depth than I expected, which I suppose shouldn't be as much of a surprise considering the level of research Mr. Knudsen seems to do for all his videos.
@@saladcaesar7716 Ok. I got a little bit tired of such rhetoric. Sometimes afrocentrists and black Israelites combined with other history revisionists sound much smarter and more original in comparison with these brilliant "jokes" and arguments aka "Damn! Egyptians wuz original furf@gz n' shiet!". Hope, that people who says this understand the difference between the myth and the modernity.
@@ophois9265 can't believe you brought zionism and nationalism in a discussion about anthropomorphic animals. Oh the mental gymnastic... Of course everyone knows the myths don't represent the "modern" versions. Of course Egyptians didn't mean to make their gods sexual like furries. Gods were meant to answers existential questions about life, nature etc. Why do we exist ? How does rain works ? Questions like that. So why do you take it so personally?
@@saladcaesar7716 "Zionism and nationalism" when I was talking about historical revisionism. It appears, you suffer from a dyslexia. Try again. When you look at these statements from the position of historical revisionism (aka you want to justify your political agenda or create a specific image for your political group) you eventually find out that crossing the fandom thing with historical entities like Ancient Egypt can be considered as a form of revisionism. If you believe that furries do not take this seriosly you might want to check their discussions related to topic of "Anthropomorphic vs Furry", and you will find out that there is a number of furries who do not take this statement simply as a joke.
there is something really, and i mean really unique, about the aura surrounding conventions. You cannot find any atmosphere like it outside of conventions. The amalgamation of people with similar interests and everybody understands the nuances of their own fandoms respectively. If you had to explain the drama that goes on in one fandom's convention to a stranger, all it will do is confuse them.
To me, conventions remove the expectations of adults, like having a career and working for money. In a lot of our lives we have to be "adults" and spend time on "productive" things, even kids who have to worry about grades and chores, but at a convention, you are just free to have fun and not think about those responsibilities and expectations. (Ideally, at least) Its a short time to escape. I guess the same thing can be applied to a vacation to a new place. However a convention can still be stressful in making friends and feelings of FOMO But i guess conventions generally foster a sense of belonging, and that is connecting with a similar interest.
Technically, drawing anthropomorphic animals go a LONG way, possibly dating back to the Stone Age. Perhaps the most notable anthropomorphic depictions are some of the deities of Ancient Egypt (particularly Anubis (jackal), Ra (falcon), Horus (also falcon), Sobek (crocodile), Bastet (cat), Sekhmet (lioness), Thoth (ibis, or in Australia, "bin chicken"), and Seth (Seth Beast/Typhonic Beast/Sha, possibly a mythical animal)). In fact, Anubis and Bastet are popular among furries who are also history buffs, and Sobek is ESPECIALLY popular with scalies.
There’s something kinda hilarious how the original doxxing apparently was “I swear officer, they have illegal recordings of Tom and Jerry! I saw the VHS’s!”
Yoshifan0312 I mean, your opinion is wrong. Police and swat are two separate entities, who do two entirely separate jobs. It’s a lot more close to doxxing.
its funny how the start of the video has furries say “people are too serious” and then later on you get these grandiose speeches coming from furries about what they want or dislike
I can't get over "funny animals" and the "funny animal fandom" because it sounds like he's trying so hard to cover up the term furry even though it's just that the term didn't exist yet "I'm not a furry I'm a FUNNY ANIMAL FAN"
@@ruthenian.wisdom cats carry a parasite called Toxoplasma gondii, which can get into your brain and cause a condition known as toxoplasmosis. People with compromised immune systems are especially vulnerable to this.
Imagine my horror, having only known of furries as a fringe group of enthusiasts born and contained within the Internet - extrapolating from my experience on old social media sites and video game culture... and then being informed that *in the year I was born* - the "original" furries were at the height of their power, AND were some of the earliest adopters of anime in the States. My entire existence is a prank at this point, man. I'm at a loss for words.
Dude, I know right. I was born in 85. A totally different era to me from now. Michael Jackson, pop music, blockbuster flicks, NES and arcade games... I can't even accept that in the 80ies this shit was already a thing. In my mind I have always associated this movement with the rise of internet platforms as a central way to interact with the world, so with the early 2000's, because never ever before across my childhood and teenage years I had heard of this.
@@standard-carrier-wo-chan hours, days, months, years, all part of the christian calendar. one example of people using a different calendar was during the french revolution where they used different “seconds”
My dude and guide of the internet. Bro I watched hetalia through and through when I was like 12 but now I know the dark truth of what had happened far from my eyes
i very much apreciate the sexual anthropermorphic pornographic content spawned from the community but im not a furry myself, furries use persona as an escape as they dont have any personal values that they themselfs can apreciate, as well as for others, thats why they try to be something else, disturbing really
I watched the full thing and dude, split this into a few episodes and bam u have a Netflix masterpiece ready to bring in the green also bro ur voice is chill that probably what got me through
@@dikbutkis7843 as a furry i can 100 percent that is the case. yes alot of people are open about having sex, and those people just so happen to be furries.
The best comment I remember from that Twitter account was him saying something along the lines of "Daddy is going to spank all you naughty people if you don't behave" 😂😂 yeah you can just imagine the comments
I used to think furries were a modern thing when I first heard of them. I figured they started in 2003-2008. Little did I know they extended all the way back to the 80s.
Strictly speaking, the concept goes back to fudal Japan (no really). The modern incarnation of the fandom as a group began in the 80s. But "people who like antho animals" is very old.
Loved this video. Just factual information, no judgement, no opinion, only information from a neutral stance. Loved it, just inspired me to watch more of your content.
JakeSpacePirate E - RE: "hardcore blobs". Boogie is actively changing and decidedly against being a "hardcore blob", and Gabe is a pretty big douche in general. Not very good examples. Frankly, I don't think people should be harassed or notably harmed in any fashion for their morbid obesity, but some level of "normal" pressure or shame is what motivates people to change, as well. Not always, but that's what those emotions are for. Celebrating, or tolerating the more excessive (or lifestyle-promotional) cases of morbid obesity is like celebrating heroin addiction... except morbid obesity is even more harmful to one's health (fentanyl/overdose crises aside... that's a whole different matter that is entirely the fault of the Drug War, or the illegality of addiction, not the drug or addiction to it by itself). More directly to the point, it's not unfair to generalize when the generalization is accurate and not targeted to any particular person.
zombievac Considering we're going through a massive opiate addiction crisis at the moment, I don't think it's reasonable to positively compare heroin addicts to lardballs.
+zombievac I just don't know why people chock it up to them being Furries. You don't see people saying things like "Of COURSE Boogie and Gabe Newell are fat, they play video games!" it's a childish comparison to make. Everyone online is a neckbeard, don't try to tie in their likes with a bodyweight, it's a ridiculous comparison to make.
It's the people in the fandom, not neccesarily everyone. This is a fandom where everyone on the outside will judge no matter what, so you hear a lot more bad things about it than good. It's just one of the many downsides to the fandom. Though being a furry myself, I don't see a lot of the negative stuff aside from the art theives but that's everywhere. Then there's also the horrible fursuit makers that either put sharp metal in their fursuit heads or are just a total ass to their customers. Again, not everything about the fandom is bad. People tend to just focus on the negative more than the positive with this fandom.
@@flavc5434 literally in the video there are multiple occasions where multiple sources say it's not the same as zoophilia. and it's not zoophilia. most of the fandom hates zoophiles and i often get furries in my timeline on twitter saying "zoophile, block and report" same with nazi furries and pedophiles. a really popular person in the fandom (fluffz) turned out to be a pedophile and is now hated by most people.
Being in Japan I haven’t heard of it beyond happy go lucky cosplaying into recently. Was shocked this video is 4 years old. Was more shocked to learn it started years before I was ever born. Was more shocked to learn how perverted it was. The overwhelming majority of cosplayers I know do it for the challenge of making a costume as much as dressing in it. They dress up, do a few photo shoots in the park, and then get to work on their next costume. Furries in the US seem to be people using it as a fetish which is really kind of sad because they’re doing it to fill a need in consumption instead of having fun in production.
@@chamuuemura5314 - It's really unfortunate that this is the impression you have of the fandom. In reality, people who see it as only a fetish or an outlet for their fetishes are pretty uncommon, but like in any large group, the outspoken minority tend to ruin it for the rest of us. I've been in the fandom since the early 80s, not too long after it first really gained traction as a fandom and not just a niche part of the comix scene. I've seen it go through all sorts of evolutions that included both very positive and negative developments. But the one thing I keep reminding people of through all this is that the furry scene has evolved in pretty much exactly the same way most other fandoms have as well. Every fandom has its fair share of porn, as well as people not just getting into costume but doing bizarre things in their costumes. Every fandom has fetishists and weirdos. We're not really all that different from Trekkies, anime cosplayers, historical reenactment enthusiasts, etc.. In my experience, the biggest reason why people tend to focus so heavily on the negative aspects of furry culture is because of the association with bestiality - which I suppose comes naturally with the fact that we're drawing humanoid animals. Because some people in the fandom are into "doing it" with animals and are really vocal and public about it, people have quickly drawn more associations to the fandom that aren't necessarily deserved - e.g. now we're also pedophiles, rapists, arsonists, exhibitionists, etc.. And we've never really been able to shake that reputation. Any time you see even a hint of activity that doesn't meet what people define as "strictly acceptable", those stereotypes immediately come back to the forefront and further spread misinformation about the fandom. And people like me really can't do much about it except try to patiently explain how the public perception doesn't match reality.
"Funny animals" was a genre of comics in the 40's and 50's. I guess the fans of those got nostalgic over them in the 70's and 80's... and then it went a bit far.
@@brovid-19 (just a reminder, a large chunk of the fanbase are children, so I wouldn't call all furries Paraphiliacs or just in it for the sexual part)
4:09 I've often wondered what furries find so fascinating in anthropomorphic cartoon animals, compared to cartoon characters in general. I think this letter finally shed some clarity on that for me. Like they say, humans are serious, human-shaped animals aren't. Combine it with animal characters possessing traditionally easy-to-recognize traits that allow creators to avoid irksome human complexities, and it all makes sense.
Yep! And it allows the characters to be more akin. No controversies no discrimination. Just funny human-like animals that are basically humans but look fluffy. That's a big part of the appeal.
@@Its_Asteria | It's also fascinating to me that y'all will tend to gravitate to the same handful of animals. Canine shapes clearly being the most popular. Any idea why that may be, aside from the positive connotations such imagery brings?
@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworthHI! Furry of seven years here. It might be just that! Canids (and by extension felids) were so present in such q large population of people's lives, be it through a childhood pet, a favorite media, a favorite animal, or just what kind of animal you could see yourself as. Though a lot of the times, it's also "I think that one looks cool, I'd like my character to be that." It is really interesting, though. I think a lot of the canine sona's come from (without going back to the previous acknowledgments) is just how popular canines tend to be in American (where most furries tend to be) pop culture. Think Balto, Paw-Patrol, those stupid "alpha Lone wolf" shirts that so many middle-aged dads wear for some reason. It's a recognizable species that you can look at and just go "yep, that's a dog right there," no matter what style they're applied in, I mean. Look at Bluey (albeit, not American, but you get the point), those bastards are cylinders, and you can still tell they're dogs. It could also be band-wagon philosophy, a young/new furry sees how many people have canine songs and jump on with them.
@@buttondowndingo | Thanks for taking the time to give me this analysis! What interests me even more though is how there seems to be a definitive furry artstyle. While individual styles do sometimes show up, I've noticed that the majority of fursonas I see online tend to lean towards a very specific "Disney-ish animal mascot" style. Is that the result of the media they grew up with? How do you think it'll evolve with time?
@potatopatato6610 That's more of a common "poster style" that more popular artists (Falfie is one to mention. Though we don't particularly like her much anymore) use. But art styles (including my own) are usually a big mesh of different inspirations, Disney is always a popular one because of just how much of a presence it has over almost every community centered around art ever. I think they're going to stay the same for the foreseeable future. The big artists in the fandom have always had some sort of a semi-toony style, with exaggerated features. I don't think it'll change anytime soon. But I have noticed a shift with more "loose" anatomy and features, really throwing the concept of "semi-realistic anatomy" at a wall and making out pf the resulting mush. A lot of furry artists are embracing the cartoon-iness and absurdity of it all, and I'm so happy to see it.
Furries have ingrained themselves in modern culture, but who are they, and where did they come from? where do they go? where did they they come from? cotton eyed joe?
Oh wow! For me, this is extra information not mentioned in the Fandom documentary Ash Coyote made. This talks even more about of how the fandom was created! What a great video!
@@Its_Asteria Thanks, until a few days ago I hadn't seen Ash "unmasked". I understand Ash is trans female? Please correct me if I'm wrong about that! Thanks and all the best to you Martin aka Keneko The Anthro-tiger;) (yeah, i have a fursona now)
Fun fact: Charlene Trotman, the creator of the "burned furs" mentioned in this video, would later go by the name C. Spike Trotman, or Spike, and found Iron Circus Comics, a fairly major force in the indie comix scene and Chicago's largest indie comic company. She's also an avid pornographer and has published multiple smutty comics by well-known adult comic artists. After 20+ years, I think she's mellowed out quite a bit and I honestly can't find it in me to bear her any ill will; for all that her moralizing and puritanical attitude harmed the fandom as a whole, she always seemed to approach it from an angle of genuine, if misguided, frustration with the people she saw as harming her weird little niche of the internet.
Furry drama is always infinitely more hilarious than normal people drama.
Hello there!
The furry lord has spoken
YourMovieSucksDOTorg I was wondering when you'd show up
OwO This thread is a fucking party now!
I was waiting for you, It was only a matter of time
Could've just said it started from Lola bunny in space jam and I'd believe you.
That seed was definitely planted in me, it just didn't receive enough care haha
@Pyro If you think that's bad, then play TF2 on PS3/XBOX 360.
Nah Robin Hood came out before that
Sally Acorn stirred it in me.
@@ShiftyGuy777 there's no such thing
I like hearing the phrase “funny animal fandom” being spoken in a completely deadpan voice.
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@@pyoxydoge2566 DIES.JPEG
Pyoxy Doge dude that word turns me on
@@GearTech147 do I look like I know what a jpeg is?
@@memememr46 it's just a different type of Picture File
“I remember when being a pervert was a bad thing” is one hell of an opening line
It still is a bad thing, it's just that society allows rampant degeneracy more now.
OMG, my favorite line was: "These are the people who use FAO Schwarz as a singles bar." OMFG! I'm dying.
@@LionKimbro mine is "christ on a fire engine"
Isn't it interesting though, looking at this through the lens of the current era? especially around the now growing trend of trans surgeries and the hundreds of gender identities that get so ridiculous people are trying to introduce literal animal pronouns and things like actual BUGS into their identities? It seems humans have this insatiable desire for group identity...we want to belong to a meaningful group but the problem is, all these groups never speak to MEANINGFUL human values. How much of your life can you dedicate to anthro art? Not a lot. So it has to segment, over and over and OVER until you're left with hyper-niche identities which renders a person essentially a unique individual again, but surrounding themselves with others who happen to share those qualities as well...basically....friends. Look at what main stream religion does. It has groups of like-minded people getting together once (or more) a week to all share their collective beliefs with one another, and from that, stems communal identities. Communal support.
What the furry communities have been doing, is what humans have been doing since the dawn of time. Pursuing deep meaning through group identity. But when these groups fail to provide that deep meaning (because its often superficial IDENTITY driven) you end up with shallow fandoms, shallow communities, all attacking one another, dividing over and over again
There's no CORE belief holding the furry fandom together. It's literally just a visual artistic representation of animals. Anything further than that gets into religion, like attributing animals to human personality, which is done for example in the Chinese zodiac and Egyptian mythology.
Psychology is fascinating. There's nothing a human being can do that would render me speechless, it would just render my mind into an endless assortment of questions. Furries just want to show you whoat the they are on the inside. It's not ALWAYS that they hate who they are (they do sometimes) its that they know, that deep inside, every single human being, there's something special. A "spirit" lets say. That spirit, is invisible, and the furry fandom makes that spirit visible. Which I think is amazing, despite it being of often confused and mislead into deviant human behaviors. Kindred spirits. Lost spirits. They'll find their own way, hopefully.
Fascinating story.
@@CircmcisionIsChi1dAbus3 I agree in the main, but want to suggest some ideas. First, I think the group identity follows after the inner dream. I think that “groups of people” in and of themselves, do not think make for meaning. Meaning is a relationship between an event, and the impact of that event on desires. We are social, and dream of society, so that is part of it. But it’s not the only thing- it’s the dream that animated the desire and makes things meaningful. The group identity is meaningless if you don’t care about the group. I think that it just happens that in groups, people have the opportunity to obtain the leverage to bring deep dreams to reality. A “group” of people in itself is not enough. I say this because I think that the kind of anthropological lens towards looking at philosophical ideas of meaning miss the spirit for the body. “Oh, see the bodies find meaning through bodies.” But it misses the plot. I have a friend who says “Star Wars was popular in 1977 just because of the marketing budget.” No, that isn’t why.
The furry fandom I suspect DOES have core beliefs. But separate from that, I think that more importantly. the furry fandom shares a core DREAM. And it’s not just the visual artistic representation of animals. That’s another point where it is the shell rather than the essence. If I would stake my guess: The Furry fandom is about the dream of intimacy. It is the dream of feeling unalienated between the human, and the animal, starting with within one’s own skin. It is about the hearth, friendship, and very critically, sexually. It is about warmth, masculinity, and femininity. I think the furry fandom holds the human in suspicion, but rather than pursuing the alien or the transcendental (angels, vampires,) the furry pursues the animal-human mix.
I think the reason people feel lost, is because they haven’t seen a representation of their ground in a way that makes sense to them.
imagine this guys search history after this video.
Thank God incognito exists
Imagine it in general, Chris-Chan, Neopets, the Final Fantasy house, furries, that weird Teresa book, Austrian wine, the list goes on.
Imagine his targeted ads bc of it
"old 1970s furry pornography
"old furry magazines"
"am i a furry?"
"why do i find animals attractive"
"old anime"
@@stuckonaslide "old anime catgirls"
"Am I a weeb?"
"Weeb or furry, which best to identify?"
It's physically impossible to analyze the furry community without DeviantArt coming up.
Dude, DeviantArt will literally come up with anything. I one time stumbled upon an account which I could only best describe as "furry but with airplanes"
@@dreska255 ah, aeromorphs
So many fetishes I’ve discovered just going through the deviantart rabbit hole like radiation pregnancy
Or furafinity
@@dreska255 something something, It could just be described as the Waltersache gallery.
The guy whose hobby was bootlegging cartoons and showing them it in his hotel room looks EXACTLY how you would think someone who bootlegs cartoons and shows them in their hotel room would look
Like a nonce?
Frazol DuSplönken like a nonce
He looks like he's from St Louis
thats where that sterotype came from genius
that random pieceof gum I I found on the street what does that even mean
I’m not a furry, but I do consider myself furry adjacent due to my involvement in the Funny Vegetable and Funny Mineral fandoms
Yes, VeggieTales characters and the stones from Mouse Soup!
Tried googling “furries rabbit hole” to find this vid for a friend and I am now full of regret
41:51 try "Fat Furs". I'm not sure my innocent eyes needed to see that.
*Seinfeld theme plays*
You found the YouPorn version, didn't you?
Paul Dickinson
spit my drink when i read this lmao
Holy crap
The amount of professionalism it takes to describe yiff as “anthropomorphic sex” in a straight laced tone of voice is admirable
I don't know how in the world he did this script completely straight
I don't know any furry nowadays who uses the term "yiff" lol. That's like 00's/early 2010's terminology.
@@SarethZhukov314 literally every furry.
@@TWBIAP Every gamer who enjoys a violent video game is part of the mass shooting problem in the United States. Literally every one. Violent video games bad.
@@SarethZhukov314 exception that proves the rule^
Seeing a furry suit in the 1980s is like seeing a M-16 in the War of 1812
I think they had Halloween costumes back in the day... those suits aren't too far off. They fall somewhere between "budget costume" and "movie quality."
Before the birth of civil society, cave dwellers wore animal furs... so who's the real furry now?
Yep, i agree. It's like seeing SpongeBob in 1930's.
It’s like seeing Anime in Ancient Rome
It's like seeing a German ww1 tank. Makes sense. You know they were there. You know they were lonely. And you wish you coulda been there to witness it.
It’s like seeing Tik Tok on medieval Europe
The idea of an anti-gay, anti-kink furry movement sounds to me like the ideological equivalent of a movement of fish who want to summit Everest
LMFAO
Honestly real
You're missing the point that's not the problem. The problem is pedophilia, zoophilia etc. not being gay
@@ghost_1153While yes that is a problem in the world its only a small problem in the furry community since only 4% of people in the furry community are pedos/zoos. U might think the number is higher but its only because social media mostly shows the bad part of the furry community so people think most or all furries are pedos/zoos.
Eeee maybe that was the intention somewhere sometime. In reality the fandom has never had an issue with that, if people commit these crimes then theire not welcome in the fandom and that is common consensus. The burnt furs spiraled into nazis. Full blown nazis with flags and these arm ties and everything. The original posts might have made an obbious point that common decency should be held up in the fandom, but was already very hateful and aggresive. And the movement developed away from anything sensical and just became fascist nonsense. @@ghost_1153
i like how it started with "we want more silly unserious comedy, people are too serious and mainstream" and then the 80s rolled by and then "we need more serios takes on our interests in the mainstream"
Attitudes change. Overcorrection happens.
Large population joined and brought their stupidity with them..it was silly then it became silly serious
I like how it went from just cutting the restrictions and just fucking around to serious hardcore porn
@@flyhighskyguy9972 Welcome to "the urge to reproduce which is necessary to facilitate the continued existence of an intelligent species but has negative side effects such as the inevitable invention of art moving into pornography"
So basically, it went from an ironic fandom to an unironic one.
“Furries.
They’re everywhere.
And there’s many more of them than you think...”
-Internet Historian, 2018
Ahhh yes internet historian, it seems you are a man of culture as well
@Matthew Chenault and Kero, uh, actually, let's just call him "He who shall not be named." from now on.
He is the Furry Voldemort after all..
Kelavus *sips tea*
*2017
Guess I gotta start burning houses
The furry community predates the internet. Never knew that.
I feel like quite a few people don't ever realize that. Same thing where most people think the porn came first and that everyone who identifies as a furry is just a pervert. Which, by the way, (unrelated to your comment but it's been bugging me) that letter that chick wrote honestly annoyed me. How can a person care so much about what turns a person on? Seriously, I could never see myself being that disturbed by such a petty thing.
@@shreknskrubgaming7248 right? like fr bro.
@@gokinezula1689 I've had my fair share of moments where I see some weird porn and go "oh, that's a bit much. I don't want to see that again" but that's really as far as it should get. I'll never understand the people who get so offended by fetishes. We all have at least one surely. I know I've got quite a few. As long as you're not doing something incredibly illegal or hurting someone without their consent do whatever you damn well please idgaf
@@shreknskrubgaming7248 This! Everything you said. 👏👏
@@jfm14 appreciate it!
I expected furry drama,
I got a 40 minute lecture on philosophy
Society🤔
yah this is more psychology than philosophy. granted there is some over lap. But the study of human behavior is more the domain of sociology, anthropology and psychology than philosophy. Philosophy deals with ideas. Furry isn't an idea. It's an identity.
I went to court and got banned from a discord server for a month for banning a furry, worth it.
Hello my fellow Faith the Unholy Trinity enjoyer
@@blocky_luke Me when I'm applying to the unfunny contest and I see that Blocky_Luke will be my opponent: Oh hell naw
i can't believe you didn't use the word "yiff" until 38 minutes into the video. incredible
I would like this comment but it's at 69. Sorry man
@@naomisisk4663 its 97 now, go wild
@@Moon-tz1iy considering your channel's banner image has a bare ass on it with a little bit of fur and a tail, I'm not suprised you're the one to get mad at this comment
@@Moon-tz1iy I taste some salt
@@Moon-tz1iy YOU DELETED YOUR COMMENT SALTY LITTLE BITCH
I find it incredible that with every popular long running internet fandom, it started out as a couple liking a thing, and then meeting up, causing a few other people to like a thing, then some of then proceeded to draw porn of it.
69 likes, hell yeah
the circle of life
And then, just like that, they proceeded to sodomize animals, so quirky and funny!
Well i mean everything is like that
So Rule 34 is the future then Damn....
"He really wasn't a furry, but he didn't mind them, and let them in his DnD games"
That's how it starts
i have furries in my dnd games, they're fine
@@gairisiuil I'm a furry who plays dnd, and hand to god, campaigns generally end with more players being furries than when it began
@@qwerty123sc Such is the reason why I was excited to have a DM for us to play, then found out he was a furry and was significantly less excited. Then he started us in a village of furries. Then he started making one of the NPCs romance me. Gosh I'm glad that campaign ended. Our belligerent party member accidentally blew up a potion shop and turned the village into a crater.
@@WasatchWind That's just a shit DM that coincidentally is a furry.
@@Darca1n Oh I don't think it was BECAUSE they were a furry. It was just weird.
Unfortunately, Mark Merlino passed away passed away earlier this month. He has done so much for the fandom, rest in peace.
Fortunately*
@@TheMasterPlayer-uo6ms *Anime avatar detected - commence simultaneous purge of weaboos & furries*
@@TheMasterPlayer-uo6ms Grow up
"done so much for the fandom"... he shat his diapers?
Anyway, good riddance!
I guess that aside from people who have watched this video only furrys over 40 years old have heard of him
Let's just take a moment to admire how well-researched and professionally done this video is.
That is all I wanted to say.
I agree. I was a bit concerned that there would be a bias or mocking tone but I should have known better, coming from Down the Rabbit Hole. But it was all very professional and matter-of-fact.
@Dusk Raccoon no mocking necessary. Most people watching this understand how fucked this fandom is without any mocking.
@@Its_Revan Precisely. For the most part, the furry fandom seemed to have this dark deviant underbelly since the beginning. While i understand the fandom has grown since its origins into something varied and diverse, is very hard to take the unsavory characteristics out of the fandom or to fully disassociate the perverted part of the community from its more innocent groups. By design, furries are damned to always be labelled as weirdos, freaks or deviants because their very origins are steeped in deviancy from social norm, albeit from an ironic and purposely vulgar style of deviancy
I know, right? I'm even impressed with myself being able to listen to stories about furries for this long.
@@dacypher22 seemed a little biased towards the halfway mark.
"What is, a furry?"...
...*fade from black an old photo of a 1920's Walt Disney's Studios*
Your knowledge of the land shall be great.
For some reason I Imagined that being read by Ryan from FortNine
The Codex of Ultimate Wisdom?
*Turns into a Fritz the cat film*
*Zooptopia theme begins*
Your series title and this topic go so well together or terribly depending on how you look at it.
I didn't think of it that way until you said it. What have you done
Bronze God damn it
That took me a second but god damn...
I love how good this comment goes with your profile picture. Just nonchalantly telling it like it is while plucking that stache
Thank you for this
Super realistic ARG, almost convinced me that furries were real lol. Last line gave me goosebumps too, chilling.
what
@@unusedscreedican what, did you think furries are actually real?
@@therealgeneralMacArthur well i mean im here
@@unusedscreedican nice try, federal. I know these fucks ain't real
@@unusedscreedican no you're not
>Funny mineral fandom
Imagine an alternative timelines where instead of furries these guys had taken off and called themselves Geos or whatever
I think fucking minerals would be better then fucking animals
welcome to Steven Universe
Paging Rebecca Sugar
@@freddy4603 :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD SUPER LEL.
So Steven Universe, then
>rabbit hole
>furry
oh no
oh yay
hot
There's no going back
Don't you mean..
*O WO?*
UWU *stammers and shakes* n~n~nn~no???????? What do you mean Pawpi??? Don't you wan to touch bewow my cotten twail????
God, who would've thought furries had such a backstory. I always assumed it started with the internet, but as it seems it goes back a lot more.
I believe the internet was what made them able to congregate in larger groups. It's similar to the pedo rings that are being found out all over the world.
All furies are also zoophile said and necrophile said, let's not forget. Flurries also congregate online and sometimes rollpla- I mean traffic children.
@@josephgodsey7742 Said who?
How do you think all those funky animal-headed gods got started? Centaurs on vases were for jerkin off to.
It goes way back. Disney's Robinhood was originally based off a mideval furry fanfic called Reynard the fox. Not to mention Hindu and Egyptian gods and a lot of gods from ancient cultures were furries
The signs have been on the wall for years, you're actually a one of them...
Give this man an award he went through the whole thing and never uttered “My Little Pony” or “Nintendo.”
an entire 44 minutes without my little pony or nintendo.
They're too mainstream anyway. And I say that as a fan of Nintendo (and Sega) characters. The indie scene is awesome nowadays!
what does nintendo have to do with furries?
starfox? animal crossing? only two guesses i have
@Logan Weatherhead but those are monsters, not anthropomorphic animals
@@willo.mp4 isabelle
Man i Wonder where furries got their start
“By the 1940s...”
Surprised Pikachu face
Yeah, he really took a step back with that one off the bat
We won but at what cost
In older mythologies people just "play" with various animals and demi-humans were born.
@Nikola Leviathan they way you said that made you sound like a nazi-
ok ok. funny animals and funny vegetables i can kinda understand. but funny minerals? wtf? are they called stoners by any chance?
I mean Steven Universe had to come from somewhere
golems I'd guess
Don't forget Land of the Lustrous.
Gem-knight supremacy.
@@Shibe-mx3lc Ask Undertale Sans and/or Underswap Papyrus.
*rimshot*
DANG, this fandom is older than I thought! it's incredible to see just how far back the fandom's development goes.
HA! LItERLY! I’VE BEEN SAYING…the whole video 🌝nah but seriously 😹 im saying- ;)
"So what are furries?"
...It all started with Disney...
Ehhhh, sort of. Disney themselves took inspiration from the funny animal style used in the late 1800s but even then the use of animals with human proportions and/or features can date back as far as say the Egyptians. I think we as humans just had this coming but didn't realise it until it was too late.
I'm not complainin', I'm just sayin'.
Cypher Dastro wait did Aesop’s come before or after the Egyptians. I’m not for sure
Technically, it all started in the Stone Age.
Its funny that I have found few picks from interenet as some places had either shown or sold old and I mean old sculpures showing muscular lion headed female, about 4000-5000 years old.
...so it all started in ANCIENT EGYPT?
This proves that if you do something ironically long enough, you eventually forget and do it seriously.
or, If you say something it eventually becomes reality
oh you mean the 4chan Bronies¿
@@dorklymorkly3290 Yeah, you don't get It.
"Ironically", by definition", means to do/say/make something with an humourous aim.
Let's take gay sex (since we are under a furry video It makes sense).
Picture this.
I am with my group of friends playing DnD or some other RPG. I play a female character.
Then we go out to get a beer and while discussing the game I say "If I was a woman irl, I would totally fuck you dude" while joking about my character and he says "Let's fuck anyway, c'on" and then laugh.
That's irony.
If you then have sex in the bathroom, even if you say "no homo, it's Just a joke" It doesn't make It irony.
There is a clear distinction between irony and "saying something is irony just to cover my real interest in something".
In fiction this can be used in many ways.
But if your parody of... Let's say, YA distopya novels, doesn't make the reader understand that it's a parody you Just made a bad parody.
Irony, as written in novels at the start of the 900, was pretty easy to see because the writers did a good job
dorkly morkly I don’t think you know what you’re talking about
Hyperversum nah Dorkly Morkly is just being ironic
"What exactly happened at these parties is undocumented"
good.
alright then keep your secrets.
"there were people who would sabotage the convention any way they could"
good
This made me laugh so hard. Pretty sure they were documented it was just so obscene Knudsen decided to just not talk about lmao
If it's the 'old' parties in the early 90s, honestly, they weren't that terrible. I think he was avoiding delving too deep into the old CYD archives and such. But a lot of them were, from the rumor mill and attendees--Mostly videogames, bootleg anime, and the religious watching of Animalympics, or screenings of cartoons before they were officially released, often due to the connections people in the parties had with animation.
Later parties tend to change dramatically based on the group makeup. They run the range from very much gay swinger meetups, to LAN parties, to just sitting down and watching film. The ones I've been to, due to friends dragging me along mostly have been:
1) Why are these people not using the bedroom, I'm a lil uncomfortable with this. I think I'm gonna just focus on the movie and not THAT going on next to me.
2) Hanging out with nerdy lesbian girls, talking about The Secret World, and getting involved in the local Secret World community that was a thing at the time. Somehow the only one that involved talking about fetishes, as there was a discussion on softvore and one lady's extensive dildo collection, that she also doesn't use as she had a fear of penetration.
3) Videogames and MST3k. And then more videogames and MST3k. And D&D when we got sick of it.
4) Walk in the woods to talk about ethics and religion.
5) Drawmeets, where people just sit down, shoot shit, and attempt to draw as much as possible.
Really? I feel like documentation from these old parties would be hilarious and entertaining. To hear some of the wild stuff furries ACTUALLY got/get into would be major 🍿 🍿 🍿
I remember back in the mid-90s, my mom telling me some kids at my school got in trouble for emailing each other pictures of “cartoon animals having sex”! We all loved Disney and other stuff like that (some more than others), but I never knew such stuff existed.
That bambussy
@@pigmentpeddler5811that shits magical😩😩😩
@@Jan-van-RieBeeckhope it doesn't get shot
@@pigmentpeddler5811 Kill that shiz like Bambis mom yo
Sounds like potential for being a stone-age shitpost lmao
The introduction of anime was basically a case of "show me yours and I'll show you mine"
I wonder what the Japanese equivalent to "weebs" are
Gungis Grand americanphiles
Yankies
Yankmes?
@@gungisgrand225 Westaboo? Waabs?
I'm just gonna start calling furry characters "funny animals" from now on.
You are going to get stabbed in an alley one day due to this
TheSmart_ Protogen highly doubtful, mr. funny animal enthusiast.
@@LunaIsOnUA-cam Your sentence carries an implication that furries would go outside, which is almost as funny as the funny animals that they draw
@@itsfine5818 You have now been cursed to marry or birth a funny animal.
I don't make the rules here.
Me too
"devientart allowed nudity, but not pornography" oh how times have changed
@Peeps Thing is, some people are _turned on_ by what most would consider not even remotely sexual things. Put aside for the moment why they are. What it means though is that we wouldn't call an image of any of those things pornographic simply on the basis you suggest would we?
@Peeps Yes, and just to add to my point, I remember as an adolescent _using_ clothing catalogues as basically pornographic material, but it's hard (no pun intended) to actually call them porn. I guess it likely comes down to what the producer intends the image to be used for.
I've heard that deviantart posts have still been banned for being pornographic recently. I think they just have a very narrow definition of what technically counts as porn, which is why fetish porn has managed to thrive over there.
Yup. 2018 and things went to shit
@Peeps Nudity isn't always sexual. Meanwhile pornography is.
This comment section is INSANE I stop by every now and then and I need to start collecting some of these.
Hi
A furry? 💀
@@likingandsubscribing nawh its just a character from a show i like :^)
@@caius8614 is said show has many furries in it or just this charater is neat?
@@paperhat_boiits bluey which is a kids show that many non-furries like lmao
"What are furries?"
Alright, this is going o-
"By the 1940s..."
OH OK THATS UH THATS PRETTY IN DEPTH
Not as in-depth as it COULD be, though. If you want a full account of anthropomorphized animals sweeping art communities, you could easily go as far back as the Ancient Egyptians... hell, Ancient Greece was notorious for all its anthros in its myths. If you said it was "for the temple," you could get away with anything as an artist.
I suppose the takeaway here is that when you give artists creative freedom, inevitably someone is gonna draw lewd animals.
The 1973 iteration of Robin Hood (considered now to be the *other* seminal furry cartoon film released in 1973) was a mashup of Robin Hood and Reynard the Fox, a series of legends from the 12th century that was for decades on Walt Disney's wish list of possible adaptations. And that's just one example of something people likely assume as being far more recent in nature.
You could go on and on and risk winding up with a Ken Burns-sized documentary, and REALLY get... well, down the rabbit hole lol
Furries go back since the dawn of human civilization. I wish I was making this up but I’m not.
Im surprised how educational and immersive this video was. Only disapointment is i didnt see him mention Omaha the cat dancer.
Is this a video about Dan from Game Grumps
yahoo Now class, let's all study how NOT to write a cohesive sentence.
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hotdiggedydemon You really shouldn’t have punched Dan’s wife
hotdiggedydemon Max G is an alt-right furry. He's both a gopher, and the grand wizard.
(Joking)
OUR GOD HAS SPOKEN
Furries then: Man is too serious, we must analyze our self-importance and sense of grandeur
Furries now: OwO
UwU
What's dis?
True and sad.
@-- Seek help
Furries then: People are too serious, time to be silly
Furries now: Mostly silly
I had to do classmate interviews in my creative writing class in high school. Interviewed a quiet kid and he told me he was a furry in the interview. I didn't understand the extent of what that was but proceeded to tell the class all about it and mortifying my teacher in the process.
That’s kinda a messed up thing to do, but I guess you didn’t know what a furry was or how people would react. And he didn’t know rule number one is to NEVER tell anyone. Because people hate us.
damn i bet they don’t enjoy you as a person much anymore huh
My guy literally destroyed someones life.
@@fur.theory And for GOOD REASON.
@@fblack9033 nope, lil bro did not watch the video. This fandom is a creative outlet and a safe place.
Video: So where did it begin
Me: Hmm, okay
Video: By the 1940s...
Me: wow were really starting at the beginning huh
Nah. If you REALLY wanted to start at the beginning, you'd have to go well into psychological and sociological issues, all the way to basically the dawn of humanity. Egyptians had half-human half-animal hybrids as their gods. The Greeks had so. much. swan. sex. going in on their myths. The beginning of this goes way beyond anthropomorphic cartoons and art. It goes to the most base level of human psychology and sexuality. The relationship of human beings to the animal world around them is a really, really complicated thing.
EXACTLY HOW I FELT!
That's how rabbit holes work, you can't just go partway down. (No metaphor intended.)
@@aeschafer1 If it has a hole...
@Dusk Raccoon u/Nebbyfox is my hero.
Is nobody going to talk about *f u n n y m i n e r a l s ?*
Something, something Steven Universe.
Louie Pooh how?
Land of the Illustrious?
Thank you! As a proud member of the Salty Fandom it’s about time we got some more representation.
Lapha002 I fucking guess?
16:25 - "And we actually had to deal with police who had to go through the dealers room to deal with people who were selling bootleg videotapes."
Imagine being a cop in the mid 90s being called in to tell the grown man dressed as a cartoon wolf that he can't sell his "Chinese cartoons" to people in the Holiday Inn lobby.
The cop, “I’m sorry sir but your not allow to sell Chinese Winnie the Pooh vhs because of copyright law.”
I never imagined that kind of situation actually happening and realising is not a bad fanfic...
That is what i pay my taxes for good sir!
Never would I imagine that.
@@pigof7626 like hell I won't
Let's collectively take a moment to appreciate the stars that aligned to produce "Down the Rabbit Hole" and a history of furries in the same title.
Also god damn, that puritanical purge manifesto read like someone cosplaying furry Hitler. There were some pretty dark undertones going on with that
Unsuprisingly there was a good deal of overlap between the Burned Furs and the Nazi furs, with even Foxler (yes actually) having claimed himself to be amongst their number. An incarnation of Burned furs have made a small comeback in the furry fandom of today, with namely older teens who want to sanitize the furry fandom. This has gottwn caught up in the much larger purge of zoophiles from the community as a whole, which looks to be actually working thankfully.
Seeing a "Furry Oc Do Not Steal" in the fucking 70s is the best type of uncannyness I've ever experienced. (Edit, The last edit was stupid so heres somethin useful, the timestamp is 7:15)
timestamp?
Timestamp or i domt like ur comment
Ight I might rewatch this at some point and look out for it, I _need_ that timestamp.
Timestamp I need timestamp this is not optional
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I always assumed they have been around for a Long Time. Just look at Egyptians! They considered furries GODS.
Hell, even the oldest recorded piece of art is a Furry: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-man
So, if you REALLY want to blame someone, blame possibly the first artist who ever lived.
Now I want to go back in time to Ancient Egypt.
What? Why are you looking at me like that?
We're the most ancient fandom
Pikapetey Animations they are
Are you in any way implying that furries are NOT gods?
Infidel.
More like "Up the rabbit's hole"
Daniel v2 yes please.
Oh my god
Daniel v2 How bout no
Daniel v2 how deep does the rabbit hole go?
THE COMMENT OF THE WEEK Goes2Daniel v2👏👏
This was surprisingly more in-depth than I expected, which I suppose shouldn't be as much of a surprise considering the level of research Mr. Knudsen seems to do for all his videos.
"Egyptian Gods are just fursonas with super powers "
-Solar sands 2018
Solar Sand is a brainlet if he sincerely believes it.
@@ophois9265 don't take it personally.
@@saladcaesar7716 Ok. I got a little bit tired of such rhetoric. Sometimes afrocentrists and black Israelites combined with other history revisionists sound much smarter and more original in comparison with these brilliant "jokes" and arguments aka "Damn! Egyptians wuz original furf@gz n' shiet!". Hope, that people who says this understand the difference between the myth and the modernity.
@@ophois9265 can't believe you brought zionism and nationalism in a discussion about anthropomorphic animals. Oh the mental gymnastic...
Of course everyone knows the myths don't represent the "modern" versions.
Of course Egyptians didn't mean to make their gods sexual like furries.
Gods were meant to answers existential questions about life, nature etc.
Why do we exist ? How does rain works ? Questions like that.
So why do you take it so personally?
@@saladcaesar7716 "Zionism and nationalism" when I was talking about historical revisionism. It appears, you suffer from a dyslexia. Try again.
When you look at these statements from the position of historical revisionism (aka you want to justify your political agenda or create a specific image for your political group) you eventually find out that crossing the fandom thing with historical entities like Ancient Egypt can be considered as a form of revisionism. If you believe that furries do not take this seriosly you might want to check their discussions related to topic of "Anthropomorphic vs Furry", and you will find out that there is a number of furries who do not take this statement simply as a joke.
"down the rabbit hole"
furries: mmmmmmmmmm
no
I don't like where this is going
Oh no you don't
i dont like this post
Oh fuck
I am shocked how neutral, well-researched, and interesting this is. I did not think I would care about a video on Furry history.
I am just suprised as you are.
at least it isn't "furries = gay lol"
He is a good journalist
that's nice well....
That is technically true
@@ieatgarbage8771 Even then, it doesn't contribute anything new, just a cheap laugh.
there is something really, and i mean really unique, about the aura surrounding conventions. You cannot find any atmosphere like it outside of conventions. The amalgamation of people with similar interests and everybody understands the nuances of their own fandoms respectively. If you had to explain the drama that goes on in one fandom's convention to a stranger, all it will do is confuse them.
To me, conventions remove the expectations of adults, like having a career and working for money. In a lot of our lives we have to be "adults" and spend time on "productive" things, even kids who have to worry about grades and chores, but at a convention, you are just free to have fun and not think about those responsibilities and expectations. (Ideally, at least)
Its a short time to escape. I guess the same thing can be applied to a vacation to a new place. However a convention can still be stressful in making friends and feelings of FOMO
But i guess conventions generally foster a sense of belonging, and that is connecting with a similar interest.
So a Victorian guy drawing humanoid frogs caused furries?
Betcha Mr. Toad will take you on the wildest ride wink wink
Lol omg that's the worst thought I've had in a while. :'D
Technically, drawing anthropomorphic animals go a LONG way, possibly dating back to the Stone Age. Perhaps the most notable anthropomorphic depictions are some of the deities of Ancient Egypt (particularly Anubis (jackal), Ra (falcon), Horus (also falcon), Sobek (crocodile), Bastet (cat), Sekhmet (lioness), Thoth (ibis, or in Australia, "bin chicken"), and Seth (Seth Beast/Typhonic Beast/Sha, possibly a mythical animal)). In fact, Anubis and Bastet are popular among furries who are also history buffs, and Sobek is ESPECIALLY popular with scalies.
@@nicholaslienandjaja1815 so you're telling me, that ancient egyptians are the first furries?
Ot was bacause Charles Darwin monkey caricature.
Pretty much
Bro why is furry history more complex than game of thrones
Furries. Game of thrones before game of thrones was even considered.
The Game of Pelts.
@@d0gfl3sh Well...there was an attempt...
That's why the comunity It's so crap.
Truth is often stranger than fiction, as they say.
There’s something kinda hilarious how the original doxxing apparently was “I swear officer, they have illegal recordings of Tom and Jerry! I saw the VHS’s!”
Authentic Lime Flavor More like swatting imo.
Yoshifan0312 I mean, your opinion is wrong. Police and swat are two separate entities, who do two entirely separate jobs. It’s a lot more close to doxxing.
Doxxing is publishing someone’s personal info on the internet. It has nothing to do with calling law enforcement.
@@funny3scene
Yeah...I don't think you understand what doxxing is. Swatting would definitely be a vastly similar example to doxxing in this case.
Dumb furry
its funny how the start of the video has furries say “people are too serious” and then later on you get these grandiose speeches coming from furries about what they want or dislike
I can't get over "funny animals" and the "funny animal fandom" because it sounds like he's trying so hard to cover up the term furry even though it's just that the term didn't exist yet
"I'm not a furry I'm a FUNNY ANIMAL FAN"
Well, like the video said, the term furry came years after the fandom was formed
@@jmtrad1906 would it be wrong to call them fafs
im a proud funny animal fandom person
"I'M NOT A FURRY I JUST REALLY LIKE TO DRAW ANIMAL DICKS"
@@cooltwittertag that's honestly worse than being a furry nsfw artist, basically admitting to zoophilia
A 45 minute feature without ads,
Someone buy this man a beer!
It probably got demonetized with the content of the video💀
Because the video is free as in beer?
Alcohol kills brain cells, so better don't
@@DutchBane whatever you say kind stranger from the internet
@@ruthenian.wisdom cats carry a parasite called Toxoplasma gondii, which can get into your brain and cause a condition known as toxoplasmosis. People with compromised immune systems are especially vulnerable to this.
“Down the rabbit hole” has a entire different meaning with furries.....
lewd
Fuckin ewwww
Nah dragons are better man
maxie is right
Disgustang!
Imagine my horror, having only known of furries as a fringe group of enthusiasts born and contained within the Internet - extrapolating from my experience on old social media sites and video game culture...
and then being informed that *in the year I was born* - the "original" furries were at the height of their power, AND were some of the earliest adopters of anime in the States.
My entire existence is a prank at this point, man. I'm at a loss for words.
Dude, I know right. I was born in 85. A totally different era to me from now. Michael Jackson, pop music, blockbuster flicks, NES and arcade games... I can't even accept that in the 80ies this shit was already a thing. In my mind I have always associated this movement with the rise of internet platforms as a central way to interact with the world, so with the early 2000's, because never ever before across my childhood and teenage years I had heard of this.
lol get trolled
Time is the cruellest thing that has effected humanity yet it is nothing but a human construct
@@danieldubrovin8813 Yo how is time a human construct tho?
@@standard-carrier-wo-chan hours, days, months, years, all part of the christian calendar. one example of people using a different calendar was during the french revolution where they used different “seconds”
Wow this went super in depth, great video!
Im surprise no one noticed you here.
...
Sailor moon fandom when?
Hey monger,what's the exit fandom flies
Fancy seein you here
Sup
My dude and guide of the internet. Bro I watched hetalia through and through when I was like 12 but now I know the dark truth of what had happened far from my eyes
Furries origins: Counter Culture response to the World War 2 propaganda Disney machine. Wow.
But what about the Egyptians?
Cinna Bunnz OH SHIT. You might be right.
Don't forget about Mesoamerica
i very much apreciate the sexual anthropermorphic pornographic content spawned from the community but im not a furry myself, furries use persona as an escape as they dont have any personal values that they themselfs can apreciate, as well as for others, thats why they try to be something else, disturbing really
@@sabergoli3518 Themselfs has no cool cat qualiteez
Glad you made this. I've recently been looking into the connection between Furries and Amiga.
Amiga balls xDDDDDD
btw love your stuff both of you.
Eric Shwartz
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I recently discovered your channel. It's great. I just wish the videos were longer.
Furries and Amiga ? Eric Schwartz, the cartoonist behind the Sabrina webcomic might be an interesting source, he's been around for a loooooong time.
I watched the full thing and dude, split this into a few episodes and bam u have a Netflix masterpiece ready to bring in the green also bro ur voice is chill that probably what got me through
"Down the rabbit hole."
>Zootopia fanart in a nutshell
OwO
Oomf
O W O
"We are good at multiplying."
-Judy Hoppz
*FUCKING PUN KILLED ME LMAO*
"So, what are furries?"
"..."
"By the 1940's..."
Lol, sorry. It was funny.
Ah… the Tiger and Panthers
so basically, not even the furry fandom is safe from the furry fandom.
...Which is why I stay far from it.
Furries makes sure to make fun of other furries as much as possible.
What do you expect from a bunch of degenerates. No one need to do anything they start destroying each other.
Yeah basically. The whole fandom is kind of a madhouse.
Furries ruin everything. Including furries.
I do honestly feel bad for furries that have been misinterpreted
TLDR: Furries are divided about what level of weird sex is acceptable.
Aren't we all though?
@@dikbutkis7843 not all furries are
yes but most furries prefer not to have sex in suits
@@onyxlunareclipse9958 if you say so
@@dikbutkis7843 as a furry i can 100 percent that is the case. yes alot of people are open about having sex, and those people just so happen to be furries.
"More serious treatment of funny animals"
In loving memories of Tony the Tiger's Twitter account.
Kazerz
May yiff have mercy on his sould.
The best comment I remember from that Twitter account was him saying something along the lines of "Daddy is going to spank all you naughty people if you don't behave" 😂😂 yeah you can just imagine the comments
Kazerz we have to remember zabivaka as well, may he rest in peace. 🤧😭😢 #wewillrememberyou #metoo #zabivaka
How is Chester the Cheetah’s Twitter doing?
Okay. Good question...
I didn't even notice this video is 5 years ago, it's very good quality and looks like it was made recently.
good job on this Fredrik Knudsen
"The furries are here to stay"
Well that doesn't sound ominous at all
yea, i oddly got chills from it. Not because it's a bad thing. just sounded so off for some reason for to be at the end with furry person dancing. lol
Edward Taylor They grow... They multiply... They invade...
They March on the new dawn
Was Garfield the first furry?
Yep. We grow, we multiply, we invade. Like a tumor. And like a tumor, we’re likely here to stay.......
I used to think furries were a modern thing when I first heard of them. I figured they started in 2003-2008. Little did I know they extended all the way back to the 80s.
And even before that! There's been a historical anthropomorphic animals
The Egyptian god come to mind
Strictly speaking, the concept goes back to fudal Japan (no really). The modern incarnation of the fandom as a group began in the 80s. But "people who like antho animals" is very old.
@@barklet6110 There is no ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic for "yiff!"
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Don't worry,, there's no nudity.
Vootie, 1976: Let's have FUN funny animals!
Albedo, 1983: "A more serious treatment of funny animals."
They went from "humans are too serious" to "animals aren't serious enough".
Goes to show you: It's human nature to factionalize.
i kinda want to do the vootie version,but my personality is too much the albedo version.
Art works in cycles. Simplicity to Complexity and back to the Simple. This isn't special to any group of people.
Loved this video. Just factual information, no judgement, no opinion, only information from a neutral stance. Loved it, just inspired me to watch more of your content.
The original creators of the fandom look exactly like id expect them to
So what? Don't judge people like that. Gabe Newell and Boogie are also hardcore blobs, that doesn't mean they can't do cool things.
JakeSpacePirate E - RE: "hardcore blobs". Boogie is actively changing and decidedly against being a "hardcore blob", and Gabe is a pretty big douche in general. Not very good examples. Frankly, I don't think people should be harassed or notably harmed in any fashion for their morbid obesity, but some level of "normal" pressure or shame is what motivates people to change, as well. Not always, but that's what those emotions are for. Celebrating, or tolerating the more excessive (or lifestyle-promotional) cases of morbid obesity is like celebrating heroin addiction... except morbid obesity is even more harmful to one's health (fentanyl/overdose crises aside... that's a whole different matter that is entirely the fault of the Drug War, or the illegality of addiction, not the drug or addiction to it by itself).
More directly to the point, it's not unfair to generalize when the generalization is accurate and not targeted to any particular person.
zombievac Considering we're going through a massive opiate addiction crisis at the moment, I don't think it's reasonable to positively compare heroin addicts to lardballs.
Gabe Newwell did it?
dear god...
+zombievac I just don't know why people chock it up to them being Furries. You don't see people saying things like "Of COURSE Boogie and Gabe Newell are fat, they play video games!"
it's a childish comparison to make. Everyone online is a neckbeard, don't try to tie in their likes with a bodyweight, it's a ridiculous comparison to make.
First half: Enlightening and positive
Second half: Oh God.
The first half is the rollar coaster climbing up...up...up.... To the tippy top........ Then we go Down the Spiral
It's the people in the fandom, not neccesarily everyone. This is a fandom where everyone on the outside will judge no matter what, so you hear a lot more bad things about it than good. It's just one of the many downsides to the fandom.
Though being a furry myself, I don't see a lot of the negative stuff aside from the art theives but that's everywhere. Then there's also the horrible fursuit makers that either put sharp metal in their fursuit heads or are just a total ass to their customers.
Again, not everything about the fandom is bad. People tend to just focus on the negative more than the positive with this fandom.
@@flavc5434 How is that the same?
@@flavc5434 literally in the video there are multiple occasions where multiple sources say it's not the same as zoophilia. and it's not zoophilia. most of the fandom hates zoophiles and i often get furries in my timeline on twitter saying "zoophile, block and report" same with nazi furries and pedophiles. a really popular person in the fandom (fluffz) turned out to be a pedophile and is now hated by most people.
Life
The title "Furries | Down the rabbit hole" gets funnier the more you think about it
o-o-oh no you dont
Oh I‘m going down Judy‘s if you get what I‘m saying
@@quaygrass6212 ö_ö
😂😂😂
@@quaygrass6212 Obama noooo
i never thought the furry fandom had such a long and complex history that overlaps with other fandoms
Yep! Thus the explainaition of kt being an extension of other communities and topics is pretty true. It's similar to cosplay and Sci fi n such
Being in Japan I haven’t heard of it beyond happy go lucky cosplaying into recently. Was shocked this video is 4 years old. Was more shocked to learn it started years before I was ever born. Was more shocked to learn how perverted it was. The overwhelming majority of cosplayers I know do it for the challenge of making a costume as much as dressing in it. They dress up, do a few photo shoots in the park, and then get to work on their next costume. Furries in the US seem to be people using it as a fetish which is really kind of sad because they’re doing it to fill a need in consumption instead of having fun in production.
@@chamuuemura5314 - It's really unfortunate that this is the impression you have of the fandom. In reality, people who see it as only a fetish or an outlet for their fetishes are pretty uncommon, but like in any large group, the outspoken minority tend to ruin it for the rest of us.
I've been in the fandom since the early 80s, not too long after it first really gained traction as a fandom and not just a niche part of the comix scene. I've seen it go through all sorts of evolutions that included both very positive and negative developments. But the one thing I keep reminding people of through all this is that the furry scene has evolved in pretty much exactly the same way most other fandoms have as well. Every fandom has its fair share of porn, as well as people not just getting into costume but doing bizarre things in their costumes. Every fandom has fetishists and weirdos. We're not really all that different from Trekkies, anime cosplayers, historical reenactment enthusiasts, etc..
In my experience, the biggest reason why people tend to focus so heavily on the negative aspects of furry culture is because of the association with bestiality - which I suppose comes naturally with the fact that we're drawing humanoid animals. Because some people in the fandom are into "doing it" with animals and are really vocal and public about it, people have quickly drawn more associations to the fandom that aren't necessarily deserved - e.g. now we're also pedophiles, rapists, arsonists, exhibitionists, etc.. And we've never really been able to shake that reputation. Any time you see even a hint of activity that doesn't meet what people define as "strictly acceptable", those stereotypes immediately come back to the forefront and further spread misinformation about the fandom. And people like me really can't do much about it except try to patiently explain how the public perception doesn't match reality.
"Funny Minerals"? Oh my god they predicted steven universe
Those old bastards predicted all the funny things! ;o;
And "Funny Plants" as well, so they predicted Plants vs. Zombies in that letter too.
I just choked in real life thank you I needed that laugh
Funny minerals plants inanimate objects... they woulda flipped if they saw cuphead
Frederick Fox yup next Care Bears.
The name “funny animal fan” is hilarious to me. It’s such a literal name that it comes off as blunt.
It's like how a neanderthal would describe a furry
"Sexually Dubious Paraphiliac" wasn't as catchy
"Funny animals" was a genre of comics in the 40's and 50's. I guess the fans of those got nostalgic over them in the 70's and 80's... and then it went a bit far.
@@brovid-19 (just a reminder, a large chunk of the fanbase are children, so I wouldn't call all furries Paraphiliacs or just in it for the sexual part)
@@Echofan0808 in the literal sense, if you like doge or cheems memes, you're a furry. Also, I don't think children are the vocal part of the fandom
“What’s a furry?”
“Idk in just here for the party and sex” lmao
Yeahh that's the sad truth about some of the furries
@@buzzkillington8078 _-Some?-_
@@mortarion9813 okok 85% of them
@@buzzkillington8078 Ight I'm fine with that
@@mortarion9813 XD
4:09
I've often wondered what furries find so fascinating in anthropomorphic cartoon animals, compared to cartoon characters in general. I think this letter finally shed some clarity on that for me. Like they say, humans are serious, human-shaped animals aren't.
Combine it with animal characters possessing traditionally easy-to-recognize traits that allow creators to avoid irksome human complexities, and it all makes sense.
Yep! And it allows the characters to be more akin. No controversies no discrimination. Just funny human-like animals that are basically humans but look fluffy. That's a big part of the appeal.
@@Its_Asteria | It's also fascinating to me that y'all will tend to gravitate to the same handful of animals. Canine shapes clearly being the most popular. Any idea why that may be, aside from the positive connotations such imagery brings?
@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworthHI! Furry of seven years here. It might be just that! Canids (and by extension felids) were so present in such q large population of people's lives, be it through a childhood pet, a favorite media, a favorite animal, or just what kind of animal you could see yourself as. Though a lot of the times, it's also "I think that one looks cool, I'd like my character to be that." It is really interesting, though.
I think a lot of the canine sona's come from (without going back to the previous acknowledgments) is just how popular canines tend to be in American (where most furries tend to be) pop culture. Think Balto, Paw-Patrol, those stupid "alpha Lone wolf" shirts that so many middle-aged dads wear for some reason. It's a recognizable species that you can look at and just go "yep, that's a dog right there," no matter what style they're applied in, I mean. Look at Bluey (albeit, not American, but you get the point), those bastards are cylinders, and you can still tell they're dogs.
It could also be band-wagon philosophy, a young/new furry sees how many people have canine songs and jump on with them.
@@buttondowndingo | Thanks for taking the time to give me this analysis!
What interests me even more though is how there seems to be a definitive furry artstyle. While individual styles do sometimes show up, I've noticed that the majority of fursonas I see online tend to lean towards a very specific "Disney-ish animal mascot" style. Is that the result of the media they grew up with? How do you think it'll evolve with time?
@potatopatato6610 That's more of a common "poster style" that more popular artists (Falfie is one to mention. Though we don't particularly like her much anymore) use. But art styles (including my own) are usually a big mesh of different inspirations, Disney is always a popular one because of just how much of a presence it has over almost every community centered around art ever. I think they're going to stay the same for the foreseeable future. The big artists in the fandom have always had some sort of a semi-toony style, with exaggerated features. I don't think it'll change anytime soon. But I have noticed a shift with more "loose" anatomy and features, really throwing the concept of "semi-realistic anatomy" at a wall and making out pf the resulting mush. A lot of furry artists are embracing the cartoon-iness and absurdity of it all, and I'm so happy to see it.
No rabbit furry in the intro. 0/10
"Down the rabbit hole"
Literally every furries: very poor choice of words
Could have been worse ... It might have been "Up the Rabbit Hole".
@@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164 let's not start it then..
@@chriswolf3686 Depends on how cute the Rabbit is ...
@@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164 you're starting it.. you're starting it..
@@chriswolf3686 lol
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Top 10 anime crossovers.
NO!
man this just made me miss the old internet, when we all had our own small little groups that kept to themselves
You either die an internet niche, or live long enough to see yourself become the British empire.
"he closed by comparing himself to martin luther king" -wait hol up, what?
Furries have ingrained themselves in modern culture, but who are they, and where did they come from? where do they go? where did they they come from? cotton eyed joe?
waffielz yolo this made me laugh harder than it should have
You fucking fenta.
No one knows who they were, or what they were doing...
And war never changes
@@Tall_Order Tactical Nuke!
Wow, even furries thought that furries were degenerates.
Trust me we know we're degenerates
A lot still do.
What group *doesnt* have degenerate elements? XD
@@etherraichu true, but they never hijacked the fanbase
Self loathing furries are pretty common. Ya like what ya like but it doesn't mean you're proud of it.
Oh wow! For me, this is extra information not mentioned in the Fandom documentary Ash Coyote made. This talks even more about of how the fandom was created!
What a great video!
After watching this i found Ash Coyote and binge-watched his amazing documentaries. Fast becoming Furry-obsessed!
@@martinharris5017Ash is female. Though I don't blame you for not knowing since ash coyote comes off a bit masculine as a name.
@@Its_Asteria Thanks, until a few days ago I hadn't seen Ash "unmasked".
I understand Ash is trans female? Please correct me if I'm wrong about that!
Thanks and all the best to you
Martin aka Keneko The Anthro-tiger;)
(yeah, i have a fursona now)
So anime became popular in america in part due to early furries. Well, the more you know.
those bastards
See, not everything we do is bad!
@@sackfu7952 I disagree with that not being bad
@@kingtreedede7303 what does that mean.
@@theguyishere249 anime bad
"THERE ARE NO WEREWOLVES, AND WE HAVE NO CATS, KATHLEEN! Don't you see a problem here?"
Me: "I have no werewolves or cats, but I have crocodiles, sharks, Komodo dragons, giant squid, and Velociraptors!"
Funny Animals fandom: We gotta find a name
Random Dude not in the fandom: Furry
Furries: FURRY IT IS
YOOO NICE PFP, WHAT A CHAD 😎
Fun fact: Charlene Trotman, the creator of the "burned furs" mentioned in this video, would later go by the name C. Spike Trotman, or Spike, and found Iron Circus Comics, a fairly major force in the indie comix scene and Chicago's largest indie comic company. She's also an avid pornographer and has published multiple smutty comics by well-known adult comic artists. After 20+ years, I think she's mellowed out quite a bit and I honestly can't find it in me to bear her any ill will; for all that her moralizing and puritanical attitude harmed the fandom as a whole, she always seemed to approach it from an angle of genuine, if misguided, frustration with the people she saw as harming her weird little niche of the internet.
Hey wait isn't she involved in Lacksadaisy?
Source? Because I can't find anything confirming this