The Final Fantasy House | Down the Rabbit Hole
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2018
- In the early 2000s, when connecting with other fans of Final Fantasy VII, a young person is invited to live with others in the fandom, but things quickly turn dour.
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A number of people have brought this up, so I think I should mention this: when making this video, I was aware that Jen is still an active soulbonder who has moved on to the Hannibal fandom, but I decided to cut off the video before that point for two reasons. First, my intention was not to talk about Jen, but rather the Final Fantasy House. Second, the video was already pushing 40 minutes, and to cover Jen's further activities would have easily sent it past the 1 hour mark. This would have made the production cycle prohibitively long and the video much less accessible, neither of which I was willing to allow. This does not, however rule out a video about Jen or Tattle-Crime in the future.
I hope you do consider making a part 2 of this saga! I will love to see how deep it goes!
Fredrik Knudsen I would love to hear more about these people. Very fascinating!
she's a hannibal fan? so exactly when are the half eaten bodies in her basement going to be found?
I would love another part
Part two would be great
I know this sounds weird, but this video has helped me realise I am actually the reincarnation of the right hand paddle from Pong.
"I know how you feel, man." - *NBA Jam CPU*
What's it like having your face hit by a square ball every time?
@Zarxxis, I actually find it to be a form of exquisite sexual ecstasy.
feel you , replace the roght hand paddle from pong with Heavy weapons guy from TF2
@@jamesflames6987 A-are you my match? The one I've been longing for my whole life? You might not see it yet, b-but it's me... Left Hand Paddle.
Its funny how they think that they are some of the main/minor characters and not the random soldier who got killed at disc 2
Funny how that works)
Ok I've only played past the 1st disc once but I don't remember a soldier getting killed in disc 2, how soon after Aerith's Death Scene is this?
@Moist Tony Hush, edgelord.
@@daredrogers3884 Hush, white knight
Of course. That would be lame.
Man. . . Zack cant catch a break no matter what dimension he is in.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hell, he can't even catch a break with Fredrick Knudsen calling him a "minor character"
@@Soulraven2735 Back then (at the time of the story), he was a minor character.
@@Soulraven2735 to be fair, he was quoting the guys post. Which I believe was posted before Crisis Core released but I could be wrong. The guy was still pushing it by saying 'VERY minor' considering how important Zack still is. As someone who is a big fan of Zack, that did bug me quite a bit xD
me gongaga
Imagine being soulbonded to a Goomba.
I bet that person lets people step all over them.
I'll see myself out.
@@TheSlammurai Lmao, you've earned my like.
this would actually make a lot of sense for me. someone do the ritual with me
@@andracatheduckking257 Instructions unclear, you are now bonded to the Doomslayer.
@@TheSlammurai this comment made me say "oh my god shut up" out loud, which means you've earned the bad pun seal of approval
Imagine going to the kitchen to get a carton of milk or something and getting, like, 7 random encounters on the way.
「#1 Schemer」 Final Fantasy in a nutshell
「#1 Schemer」 And your cult friend's kid on the milk carton.
Just equip the Enemy Away materia dude
「#1 Schemer」 🤣
sometimes you gotta grind for milk. That's life.
"Lots of people cannot understand me because I have such a high intellect it is beyond their grasp" Sarah was a fan of Rick & Morty before it was cool
Maybe it was Based Momma?
Bet Rick is one of the souls she "bonded" with.
People have been saying this for yearrrrs. Humans aren't all that different
Michael Beddoe It’s extremely exhausting having 140 iq tits, I guess that’s exceptional or something? 😂😂 I’ve also heard through the grapevine she banged Wizard of Cause while Mundane Matt Jarbo spanked it. If that isn’t where trailer parks come from, I don’t know where.
And cringy
There’s a notable lack of Cloud and Sephiroth in this FF7 story.
that has to be the most bizarre part of the whole thing!
Tifa is missing too :/
They’re clearly too busy being 3 stocked by Pyra/Mythra mains
@@roachdoggjr5647 Now its Kazuya mains.
If cloud and sephiroth were there I imagine that Jen and Hojo would be beaten up by those two lmao
What's crazy is that by the time he left, it had only been 2 months. The stories make it sound like years. It had to have been the most miserable 2 months of his entire life. Poor dude.
nah, he totally deserved it, he chose it after all
@@sifins1579 Wow.
@@randomrobin7773 yeah that's a bit harsh isn't it lo😂
@@randomrobin7773I mean tbf, he left home to give live with some schizo who thought video game characters were real. What did he expect to happen, these people aren't stable lmao
@@benturner3458... Not really. A grown man playing Final Fantasy pretend time? Unless you're a schizo, that's a problem you've walked directly into.
I'm 27, single, and I work in a deli for $13/hour. My life isn't glamorous, but watching this makes me feel like I'm doing something right.
I work fast food and I earn more than you, what the fuck is that third world country pay?
@@throwawayaccount9141 I also eat $200 worth of free food a week, so we call it even. I only go to the grocery store for fun.
@@decem_sagittae you have a good point, and I do want to earn that degree. I've been in college three times. Quit on the first attempt because I chose something I wasn't interested in after being medically discharged from the marine corps for night blindness. Dad died during the next attempt so I had a meltdown and quit. Third attempt I tried to take seriously, but I quit again after making a D in a class that I needed a C in to get the credit toward the degree. The first and third time I was balancing jobs and I was a teenager or in my early twenties during this time. These are lame excuses, I know, but school was never my favorite thing to endure anyway.
@@DarkAngelOfTexas well shiieeet, Can't beat free food. My apologies sir.
Hey colorado human, I'm also a Colorado human, and I'll tell you, pay rates around here are garbage so you're still doing great. Life ain't a straight line.
Early 2000s internet was basically just that place on the edge of the map that said “here be dragons”
Yeah. It was wonderful. I much prefer ti to the current net where everything is just mundane, normal, boring, or highly political. I wish their was some kind of browser plugin that would switch ou between the normal net and a "subset" which was just full of all the weird stuff.
The internet before social media sites gobbled up everything was really interesting
@7678687678686 9890809809808 Also before the rise of better search engines it was much easier to stumble upon one of these newly popped up sites. Now Google tailors search results so most people are within a safe bubble of facebook, reddit, etc.
.......That latin suicide cult sure did put a lot of work into that website. o_o'
@@MeepChangeling you're looking for the deep web forums gl
there be crazys
we should give a shoutout to Cid, the guy doesn't even believe in the shit but visits every now and again to help people break free
Even the name is sort of fitting, my man is trying to help transport those poor souls the fuck out of there. It's no airship, but something like that
@@poon_donthe kh cid helped the protags go to other worlds
to be fair, if cid wasn't there, one of them could have actually went insane
Cid is the true hero of this story.
@@RoachDogg_JRThat's what we call irony.
Let this be a lesson: if you wanna join a house full of FF7 larpers, make sure there's a Tifa being a good influence on them
I'd say someone noticeably not showering while also being hard into larping is a flag so red it makes satan look like a pair of pale blushing buttcheeks
And a Barret keeping them in check
That’s probably a totally different house. The one in the video was a bunch of people LARPing as toxic villains, what else would you expect
call me an italian representative the way i need tifa in my life
Also if you're going to join a bunch of larpers, maybe steer clear of the group where the leaders believe that they're some of the main antagonists of the game
>College freshman
>Heavy drinker
Why did you just say the same thing twice?
T H E E D G E
man, being half aluminum must be lightweighted
Har har har
Dad joke
Token goody-two-shoes here, I was never drunk my entire freshman year of college.
I don’t get it. If you believe yourself to be a FF7 character, why would you trust Hojo and Jenova?
the author could be thinking this way, they cannot be evil just because their ancestors are.
for extreme foreshadowing
@@pao5563 extra plot twist
Looool
Seems like a goddamn calamity to me.
Imagine self harming so much you can tell when a cut is deep or shallow.
Hope a brudda is doing good.
I mean the poor guy already had a lot of symptoms of psychological trauma and abuse, the dead giveaway that he was a very heavy drinker. Then ending up wit that crazy cult definitely made it worse, I hope he got the help he needed.
I've worked with suicidal teens a bit. I can tell the difference, too. Creepy, tho.
Who can't tell the difference between a deep and shallow cut
a deep cut doesn't really scab over for hours and bleed like a bitch, while shallow cuts sometimes refuse to bleed at all.
I really really hope you just trolled all these folks
This is by far my favourite internet story. The fact it happened over 20 years ago but has so much information behind it still accessible today is a miracle, considering “old internet” stories are often lost to the ether. Makes me wonder how many other batshit insane stories are out there from those days that we may never hear of again because someone didn’t bother documenting it.
epic nekojiru icon
"one roommate demanded that the soul-binders be ejected, but Matt wanted to gawk at the ritual. So they stood in the kitchen and ate pizza."
Glorious
Someone needs to make an animation, or gather a bunch of actors to re-enact this ritual, it would be glorious
Curiosity is a powerful motivator
I'm definitely a Matt kin
"They held them to a chair and forced them to watch then rape eachother"
Not sure how much better any of you people are when all you hear about this story is memey jokes.
@@minisciencedude look up the definition of rape.
Also, why make that assumption based on the info given? She straight up talked about drugging members to force them to have sex.
I'm soulbonded to Paul Blart mall cop.
Hey! Me too. Let's start a cult.
I'm soulbonded to Paul Blart foreskin
We all are
Hahahaha
Wait... is this you? ua-cam.com/video/rNFoOHI9iJw/v-deo.html
I seriously thought this was going to be a 40 minute documentary about that creepy house you had to battle in Midgar in the first disk of the game. And I was genuinely excited to see what crazy conspiracy theories people had come up with.
I thought your name was “Christian stoner”
hell house?
@@sigmatheta9399no, crackhouse
lol me too. not what i expected holy shit
Jen has all the hallmarks of being the typical cult leader. She picks on a certain kind of vulnerable people she knows she can appeal to, and picks an obscure activity as the centre of the cult to make her followers believe they are in on something special in order to strengthen the bonds of the group.
well... she *is* Jenova.
The scariest part to me is that Zack said that Jen *had a babysitting job.* Imagine entrusting this lunatic with your kids, having no idea who she is.
She must not have stunk quite so hard and been wearing other clothes at the time.
I mean she did lose it
someone in one of this videos said they knew her and said "in early 2000s, in the place they lived in, she didn't really stand out" as the college town was full of punks, emos, skaters, and proto-weebs, stoners and they hung out at a nearby arcade sometimes. So her wearing a lab coat and being a FF7 fan was 'meh'.
EDIT: found it. @altec surtan said
"I use to work at the north Atherton-walmart back then. Renee use to come in at night to go shopping and yes she would dress as Hojo. I can not recall anybody with her. She did not stink and was very talkative and normal beside her dress code. Granted we had short chats about video games especially about Final Fantasy seven and the theory it was based on Earth. State College back then was still grungy and had character, play-land was still active filled with stoned kids and cigarette smoke, nirvana's closet was on it last leg. Coffee shops and Asian restaurants. There was all kinds of weirdos back then, so she never stood out compared to the other the goths, punks, proto weebs and skaters. This really fucks with my head, never would of guessed what a hot mess she and her friends were behind closed doors.
"
@@Warsie thats Renee/Hojo, not Jen
@@udednow Renee is the more chill person I take it? Not the person who set up the Group.
"You stole my crystals and doujinshi" is now officially the weirdest shit I've ever read in my entire life
Alexander the real question is who the fuck buys non-digital dōjinshi, or buys dōjinshi at all? Just use the internet like everyone else
@@bluchicken_995 I go to a con regularly where you can buy them on the side during auctions which is pretty popular.
@@teddyfresh9605 nice
@@bluchicken_995 to support the creators cause im pretty sure they won't make more shit if they can't earn money from them
NOT THE DOJIN!
This deserves it's own Netflix series -- the complete series opposite of _Friends_ .
Enemies?
@@caitlinsnowfrost8244 Yeah, something like it. Needs a better show title though so it can distinguish itself from other series. Content wise, they can expand the script & plot for enhanced spicy craziness 😁
@@caitlinsnowfrost8244
🎶I won't be there for youuu🎶
So Seinfield?
There's already a series like that:
It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia
"The world needs us to conquer evil"
If you believe you're the reincarnation of JENOVA, I got some bad news for you.
Ikr 🤣🤣🤣🤣
for a parasite feeding off other organisms, those organisms fighting back is the EVIL
Even calls herself a Cetra ...witch Jenova is not 😂
Anyone who's obsessed with Hojo is a red flag up front.
Aren’t some of his experiments like... r*pe experiments?
@@Lishadra yeah, attempted, with aerith and...red xiii. and lucrecia? although I dont know the entire story on that one.
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY
@blackrave404 r*pe is combanation of rhyme and rhythm. It is a very popular music form gaining fame in the 90s
Who the FUCK would have Hojo as their husbando? It’s one thing if he looked nice like Sephiroth, but he looks like Voldemort on a bad hair day and has a personality only Mengele would love.
imagine believing you are the reincarnation of Zack Fair and think you can trust living safely around "Hojo" and "Jenova" LOL
Anything is possible when you've got college freshman stress combined with liberal amounts of booze.
@@tr4nsg0th1ca also, insane amounts of psychological abuse
@@tr4nsg0th1ca and LSD
@@citizenvulpes4562 not how LSD works
You’d be surprised how underdeveloped adults are because of psychological abuse as children. We don’t put enough effort in the mental health issues that plague the entire world
jen was literally just like "you? gongaga"
So... She claimed to be Jenova, and nobody thought for a moment that she was evil? ._.
It's not like Hojo is such a sweetheart either, you know...
Red flags! Get your red flags here!
the red flag was big enough to cover the state. why roommate with an evil being???
@@Viteaification When you see that the main two weren't that bad looking, it seems like the motivation for a lot of these guys was to hopefully bone either or both of them. Guys back then who were really into stuff like final fantasy were not typically also good with women, and alt girls have always had a reputation for being easy.
@@captainweekend5276 Did they not smell like shit and refuse to bathe? That'd bring a 10 down to a 2 or 1 real goddamn fast
Can't believe they put the final fantasy house as a boss in the remake
It was prophecied in the original game with the random encounter of the "haunted house" enemy. It was a mistranslation of "stank house."
Manny Fontes you won the comment section with this one LMFAOOOO
The true Hellhouse was the friends we made along the way.
i was actually wishing there was something more creative with it... like an actual building you had to navigate where some fucked up people lived (or wanted you to clear out so they could live in there). If the devs had been aware of this story, Hell House could have been a MUCH better thing in FF7R
There was a boss fight with a house in the original right?
Coming from someone who is a fan of the actual game (in a way that doesn’t make me think I’m one of the characters in it), Jenova has no personality or character besides from being a big eldritch abomination that you fight. Honestly can see why this psycho related to it.
Probably by being someone who has no personality or character besides from being a big eldritch abomination that fights you.
@blackrave404 Now, I'm not FF7 expert, but I was under the impression that during the original FF7, Sephiroth was basically speaking through parts of Jenova that he shaped to look like him, and that he did all this mentally from his Materia cocoon in the northern crater.
@@lolrus5555 this was a lot of words that probably meant something. Real talk tho. Aeris dying is a good plot twist.
seriously.... is this "Jen" not locked away in a hospital by now?
@blackrave404 yes because sadly most of them were at least back in the day and now its near to impossible to put someone away no matter how crazy they are.
I mean, this story brings the phrase ‘Zack Fair deserved better’ to a whole other level...
People talk pretty unhealthily about neurodivergence a lot, and others rightfully pick them up on victimising people because they happen to think or behave differently. I think there's a lot of discussion to be had about where 'mental illness' and pity end and 'abuse' starts.
I think the line is just that: at the point where you 'being yourself' is abuse to others - destroying their property, controlling their lives, refusing to contribute or aid those around you - is the point where you can no longer claim you're just neurodivergent and should be treated with respect. There are people who are heavily autistic or have other 'disorders' who are perfectly capable of understanding and interacting with society, but society doesn't accept them because they act weird, or don't express themselves the way others do. Especially when things like therapy and medication clearly help you coexist with others without abuse, you can't claim to just 'think differently' and get a pass for abusive behaviour.
I suppose it's important for people to know this so they don't get sucked into codependent (or worse) relationships with people who try to co-opt messages of tolerance to get away with abuse. If someone in your life is hurting you like this, get out and get help.
Well said
I honestly hate when kin community weirdos blame this behavior or being heavily delusional on mental disability because it just makes everyone else look bad and gives people that treats them unfairly more ammo
Preacg
Oh of course I make a god damn typo
exactly! throughout the video i was thinking that these people (especially jen) seem like theyre possibly nd and mentally ill if they have these intense delusions, but consistently refusing help or fighting people who tell you that something’s wrong just shows that it’s turned into straight up abuse. i know several really nice & genuine people who have delusional attachments to characters, so its definitely not just the neurodivergence - the ppl in the vid were malicious as well. i really do hope that they eventually got some sort of help and stopped abusing/scamming people.
After a point this stops having anything to do with FF7, and just becomes about an extremely manipulative, toxic person.
I was in contact with Jen back in the day. (Before this happened) I was only 13. Yes, she was extremely manipulative and toxic. She was trying to get me to give her my phone number, trying to keep me up late at night, and saying bad things about my family when they made me get off the computer.
Fortunately I was on the other side of the country. And yes, she assigned me a character from FF7.
Out of morbid curiosity, who did you get?
@@Aeroshifter She assigned me 'Yuffie'.
Terestrasz sure bro
Yes.
Weird how every single otherkin is soulbonded to a really interesting character, innit?
None of them goes, "Yeah, I'm actually Ragnur from Skyrim. He's an unremarkable man who works at a general store. In the evenings he goes back to his small home, drinks alone and falls asleep. This cycle repeats every single day."
... Actually that is a pretty accurate description of my life.
Am I an otherkin?
Buster Jostrand Jokes on you, I'm an otherkin of a Lovecraft story protagonist, and thus, the epitome of useless to reality.
The people kinning small-scale characters are the best; there’s no story, personality, background, NOTHING to latch onto, so basically they’re projecting their own being onto a character they wish they were. Kinception, if you will. Voiceless visual novel protags are one hell of a drug.
There's no Ragnur in Skyrim. Your saying your non-existent then.
That's pretty edgy.
Doktor Wyvern Jokes on you, I'm an otherkin of that one dude in the tower you see briefly on Yavin IV in Star Wars who points something at an incoming spaceship, the epitome of useless to reality
Hojo and Zack are both pretty minor, no?
When I was young, I had a friend who's mother fell for a cult leader. She invited the guy over to our house one night and I remember him having the darkest vibe of anyone I've ever met. My friends mom ended up leaving her husband and moving him and his brother to a commune in the middle of the desert with a bunch of other people. I dont know the details, but apparently it got really bad. I visited my former friend years later and he was not the same person, the ordeal had taken a serious toll on him. This story just proves that these kind of things happen more often than you'd like to think.
No they don’t. Sad what happened to your friend but wouldn’t call it common.
@@marcar9marcar972 You're the only person who used the word common.
@@marcar9marcar972You just told on yourself
So, Jena is actually a pretty good Jenovah, as in: perfect cult leader, thinks shes some god, manipulates so well she manages to ruin everyones life just for snacks
The moral of this story is: don't move in with random people you've only talked to online. "Jen" sounds like a classic narcissistic sociopath.
Sounded like NPD/BPD mix to me.
@@Anonymous-54545 dunno my last ex was pretty bpd and this jen chick is leagues of extra crazy
@@middleclassbogan9741 i agree that something additional is going on, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have BPD too. people with BPD can be a variety of personality types and levels of crazy like anyone. I'm just saying that out of the cluster-B personality disorders, I don't think NPD+ASPD is the right combo.
@@middleclassbogan9741 Right but did you guys live together (Without parents) or dated separately with parents? It's definitely NPD but possibly BPD, Sociopath or Psychopath. You can't ever fully tell until you guys live together and no one to rely dependently on.
Additionally BPDs tend to behave more softly if they date full blown NPDs.
@@Anonymous-54545 haven't lived with my family in about a decade, spent almost 5 years living with her
“Lots of people cannot understand me because I have such a high intellect it is beyond their grasp” ah yes, I see... it was Sarah who formed the modern Rick and Morty fandom....
wait, wasnt that Aeris/Sarah who said that?
blashga27 you might just be right. I’m trying to go through the video quickly to find where it was said, but a 40 minute long video makes it hard to find one line...
Found it, 24:21. yeah its sarah/aeris saying it. lol whatever, sorry to be so nit-picky :) have a nice day
blashga27 nah don’t worry. I commented before the end of the video and I think at that point I was expecting the outcome to be that Sarah WAS Jen. That’s what I get for commenting before I got all the info.
Did she get her sauce
“The very minor character Zack from Final Fantasy 7…”
Wow, this IS an old internet story.
It brings me so much joy to see the internet discover the horror that is the average State College living arrangement.
😂
it is SO weird to think that, since most of these people were in college in the early 2000s, they would be around 40 Years Old now! This sounds like some insane modern happening yet it happened almost 20 years ago...
it's almost as if the internet, video games and crazy people existed 20 years ago
@@sleepwalkusa135 yeah but like OP said this sounds like something that would be a more modern happening and not 20 years ago. We're aware that all those things existed back then too but all of this happening feels very weird because it feels very modern and recent.
@@justas423 what's actually fucked up is even now it's still happening especially Jen being still around
It's still happening, she was active and pulling the same shit in the Hannibal fandom a few years ago. Chances are she hasn't stopped and just stealthily moved on to yet another fandom to parasite and abuse
almost like humans aren't nearly as evolved as people would like to believe
The most unbelievable part of all of this is that they cut him down to one hour a week at a grocery store.
Seriously. Who the fuck would even entertain that? If you cut my shift down to one hour a week, im robbing the fucking store when we close tonight!
Sounds like when I worked at GameStop lol
This is exactly the reason I left my job. Got down to about 5 hours a week and I just stopped showing up
BRUH
Even when my job gets slow(I'm a waiter) and I only get 3 days a week (15-18 hours) I start thinking about selling drugs , and other semi legit side hustles, I could never even think of coming to a job for JUST 60 MINS.
Honestly more than anything the Final Fantasy House is just sad. These people probably had horrible childhoods and fled to these characters, games, and their imagination as a way to cope with such a bad upbringing, and just never properly grew up. I hope Jen moves on some day, and I truly hope the best for her.
In my experience knowing people like this during the same time period, a LOT of them were young people from upper-middle class families whose parents just did not pay any attention to them. so not really abuse so much a form of neglect but this is why you need to have a relationship with your kids.
@@xXluluchanelXx Sorry for the late response but these actually checked some boxes in Jen's background. There was an article from a site called the human exception where the reporters interviewed one of Jen's former boyfriends. Apparently she came from a well off family with a big name and a big local business. Of course, she has lots of issues most of it stemming from her father as well as her time in boarding school ( her friend Mela actually confided in this).
oh my god, when i was 14 or 15 i was groomed by the lunatics just like these. person who believed they were reincarnated as a child and a couple of other characters, and her friend. holy shit i never knew someone went through something similar. luckily they lived far away from me, and when i turned 18 they lost interest in me, but it's done so much damage to me. im still a little bit scared some of them will visit me one day.
They won't, they'll find other victims because they don't actively think about it they just act on a dumb urge they've gotten used to
Sorry you went through that man. Dont worry your safe now
@@rigerous8726why are you giving him a false sense of security? They have his ip address dude
I'm glad you made it out! I knew people like this too, in the periphery of my friend group (same era as the Final Fantasy house, early 00s.) To me, it seemed super common at the time, because I went to a lot of cons and met all kinds of socially awkward, upper-middle class kids whose parents were just not paying attention to them. a lot of them went this direction.
This is why I don't laugh at the fictionkin boom on tumblr. A lot of impressionable, often mentally ill kids, being told by adults sometimes twice their age that they knew each other in a past life or were lovers in a past life and need to date/move closer to each other/be loyal to each other? Yeah, this is where this shit leads. It's not all about the lulz, it's about abusing people under the guise of love and community. This is just one case. There are so, so many more.
I never found any of this kind of stuff to be funny. Interesting and mildly terrifying though? Absolutely.
This has a name nowadays- it's called grooming.
Wouldn't laughing at them be a kind of a solution to the problem? Kids do not want to be ridiculed, and it's probably the easiest way to get them to realize the people they are interacting with them are not good influence. On top of that it's actually kind of funny how ridiculous some of those communities get, and people tend to share funny things, making the victim more likely to see the message.
@@krpajda I don't think so, they won't realise you are laughing at them for making a fool of themselves but rather because you aren't special, smart or whatever to understand them. You'll most likely get a Sarah response "Lots of people cannot understand me because I have such high intellect it is beyond their grasp". Also I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this stems from a desire to be unique and important, the fulfilment of that could overshadow the embarrassment of being ridiculed.
As someone who was abused at a very impressionable age under the guise of otherkin community? 100% agree. Though I feel like there isn’t anything /Inherently/ wrong with the concept of otherkin and connecting with fictional characters in that way there’s So much toxicity and manipulation from the online culture the community creates. The worst part is the fact that abusers can Much easier groom victims by telling a victim that they were important to eachother in their past life to convince them that there’s no need to establish boundaries or build trust before jumping into a serious relationship/friendship. Plus from my experience most people who id with otherkin are lgbt minors (like I was) so altogether a Very impressionable group of people who often seek out support from these online communities they might not be getting irl without realizing they could end up being taken advantage of
Imagine being Jenova. An all powerful alien that travels from planet to planet, sucking the life out of them. You had the power to destroy worlds with ease.
Then you die and get resurrected as some random human girl with no powers whatsoever that lives in a pigsty.
Not the most glorious end, huh?
Grand Salamancer now Jenova travels from apartment to apartment sucking the money out of her roommate’s bank accounts.
Well I'm assuming shes the bad guy of the game so I would say its a deserving end.
Now I believe she is a reincarnate! Haha, this was her punishment.
Reminds me of that anime, I think it’s called... The devils a part-timer
@@paulhairston6759 ...And has the power to destroy lives with ease.
@@MaVoelk the devil ended up being a nice guy tho
I actually ran into Renee back when she was in Utah. It was a touch-and-go encounter in the local library, but the "girl-who-thinks-she's-Hojo" always sat in the back of my mind as an odd encounter. I'm glad I found your channel and remembered this and even gladder that it was only a touch-and-go encounter.
No you didn't
Were you there? @@dougr8646
@@meta_taco9947 Nice made-up story.
@@SyfoMan How can you be so sure it's fake? Imagine believing everything you read is fake. Stuff like this really does happen and if you don't believe it, maybe it's time to get out more and experience life.
Man, FF7R Part 2 took the story in a completely different direction than the original.
Also ironic given that there’s an enemy/boss in FF7 literally called “Hell House”
I like that I got the platinum trophy 2 weeks after the game came out. 220 hours and one smashed controller. never again
"Cetra Queen" Jenova? Wow, she didn't even understand the character she was imitating. Jenovah wasn't a Cetra, this was a mistaken assumption initially made by the Shinra scientists that discovered her remains. The Cetra where a human offshoot that engaged in magic and mysticism that mostly died out after Jenovah preyed on them.
In reality, Jenovah was a deceptive alien parasite that would manipulate others into serving her own ends... hmm, maybe Jen DID understand the character.
Not that big into the lore, but wouldnt she like in a sence of mockery, claim that title?
@@lollikabosso.w.n7153 could be argued but noncanon
@@lollikabosso.w.n7153 and never mentioned
@@veryoriginalname2515 ok
Pedantic correction: the Cetra were not a "human offshot", rather, humans are a Cetra offshot.
3:28 "He was met at the bus stop by Hojo, wearing a lab coat."
That's when I knew I was in for something...
He was in for some *_SCIENCE_* !
or atleast that is what he thought...
He was in for a wild ride he could not comprehend
🤡🌍🤣
I would very much like to see pictures of them out in town with lab coats
*turns around and gets back on bus*
Ngl I was in the otherkin community a while back because I thought it was some fandom roleplay thing. I left quickly when I realised how weird ppl there are. One guy on a forum was talking about training himself to walk on all fours like a wolf. Another identified as an oak tree. The fact that half the forum members were also teenagers made it worse. Just what the fk
Sounds about right
People kin with characters because
A.) They wanna feel special
Or
B.) They probably are mentally ill and need to seek help
Honestly I'm not in the community but with friends in the community,it's not that bad
@Under Thunderbirds QHiw do you roleplay as an oak tree online...?
@MYSTIK Imagine escaping your life and choosing to be a tree lmao
In FF7 lore, Jenova was eventually decapitated by Hojo for experimentation.
Be careful what you wish for, Jen.
Oh come on Hojo didn't do it. She was headless when he found her.
Reading this has made me come to the conclusion that I’m a reincarnation of the L block in tetris
I hope you found a place to fit in in this world
And I am the reincarnation of a Burmy. Screw the better, stronger, or more popular Pokemon out there, I am better because I can change my cocoon coating.
hey bro lomg time no see! rememeber me? i am the cube block we had an awesome time back then!
The way that the comment is formated on my phone made me think you were talking L from Death Note
And now I have something to add to my list of "crossovers I never knew I wanted to see"
I'm the board it's played on, hello brother! Want to move in? Wait, do you have money?
You know, it's almost poetic that someone who took up the namesake Zack was psychologically tortured and manipulated by someone named Hojo and then finally escapes considering that's how Crisis Core starts
maybe they rlly were soul bonded all along..
@@kittycatrina1861 pretty freaky if true. if just all a coincidence then it's still creepy that everything seems to have mimicked the game in one way or another. they do say that there's a thin line between genius and madness
@@pillarmenn1936 or two abusive narcissists who related to two abusive narcissist characters and lured in a naive idiot to play a naive idiot character in their weird fantasy
Crisis Core is based on Final Fantasy House.
What if
Just What if
This means that they are right?
Yes, this is a joke obviously
If anyone ever doubts that we have a mental health crisis in the US, show them this shit.
First things off, this is a very strong cautionary tale on mental health.
Secondly, this is the kind of shit that happens when mental health costs a buttload of money.
Third, I have a relative that might be involved in a cult like this, and now I'm wondering if I should check on them.
So your relative is part of a soulbonding group? Cool...
@@Warsie Not cool.
Better to be safe than sorry.
@@jonathansotelo4877 there are some people out there that are crazy but a lot of times mental health professionals have no interest in helping them. Most of the time they just throw medication around regardless of wether it will even help. Second it is expensive, everywhere. Even in nations where it is “free” it costs like 40% of income in taxes (and many times you still need insurance). Third, wish you the best with that, hope it works out 😢.
This diseased mindset happens on college campuses a lot. Just switch mental disease with shallow political slogans that infects their mind.
You didn't teach ME how to use crystals. I have been using them since I was ten.
Nerd City This should get more thumbs up.
Whoa didn't expect to see you here, hi.
You were born into it. Molded by it. You didn’t see a chakra until you were an adult.
Bullying isn't always the acceptable option, ESPECIALLY if they're prone to fucking themselves and the people around them over if pushed.
Quit encouraging this shit. :|
hold up
what kind of crystal
pebble crystal, or the friendly-neighbor and kid-friendly *CRYSTAL METH*
"Some items are magical. That doesn't mean you can have every single one."
-my DM when I'm already attuned to 3 items
Claire Deming roll to eat the DM
@@jimmyelkordy3752 20
dunjons and dragons are gay
@@miaouew I'm pretty sure you don't know what any of those words mean...
@@casteanpreswyn7528 you're mom dosent
Fun Fact Chris O'Neil from OneyPlays was actually one of the members of the FF House.
Oh really? I'd like to know more on this.
@@gallibon1319 He was apart of it till abuncha trolls on Newgrounds (which he was super active at the time) called him out on it and became remorseful and told him to get outa there and he did.
@@catcrimes80 do you have a source for any of this? Genuinely asking, not being snarky
@@samkuperman9035 Sources are for Beta Cucks with smelly long fingers. Only a Giga Boss Level Chad pounces on Misinformation with no such trinket like Sources
@@catcrimes80 based and real, my mistake
My ex told me about an irl encounter she had with Hojo and Jen. Fortunately, she was able to get away before they hurt her. I am floored that there is a whole rabbit hole saga about these people.
Your ex sounds really interesting bro 😭
@@enmunap we had a lot of fun
*Clear red flags*
*moves in*
okay
Lets see where this goes...
it ill be fun
When your wearing rose tinted glasses, red flags just look like flags.
I'd be out the door the nano-second Hojo was mentioned. Like no, absolutely no
@@cornpop7521 God, damn.
Alcohol will do that to ya
I can't believe Fredrik leaked the plot of the FF7 Remake
Miiks
This would be the newly-made Episode 4, then.
That made me laugh out loud, thanks for that.
Just realised how ironic it is that the writer ran a page about cloud and Zak,since cloud thought he was Zak due to manipulation and trauma
What makes this such a somber affair to me is, it's only an exagerration of what video games and other stories should do. From characters, people who don't exist, we can get real-world strength and wisdom. Connecting to stories can be a powerful thing, and should be something that brings joy and real life connection.
Idk man still seems kinda weird
If this was the plot to a movie, it would be rejected for being ridiculously unbelievable.
True
In the words of Bad Religion, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. However, your point is spot on; this behavior is so ludicrous it defies rationality and most sane people would not think it could possibly be real. Or perhaps it is better for the mind to just not believe it.
I don't know dude, Acrimony was a thing, and that was pretty bat shut crazy in its own right.
Well it is likely not true really. We have seen such stories on the internet, and since anyone can post anything, how can you be sure it is truth?
I mean, abusive releationships and mental illness are a thing and all, but even I think that this seems unreasonable. Especially since others actually joined.
*This is why Sephiroth summoned a meteor to strike the planet*
dur Didn’t that meteor hit the sun instead?
End it all he said.
Sephiroth did nothing wrong.
naamber faiv,sephirothh
Sephiroh should have summoned 2
This rabbit hole takes me back. I used to be friends with a group in high school who were like this with anime and they convinced me that I was the reincarnation of Kurogane from Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle, it got so bad that I started to think I could speak to him in my head. When my family moved away from that school district I finally was able to let go of all that and I consider myself lucky
Otherkin is a fascinating idea in theory, but it's obviously easily explained away as simply being a similar type of person to the character in question and simply relating with them.
Me listening: they sound like they probably stink and don’t clean
The video: they stunk and didnt clean
My otherkin is Thats So Raven.
Burt C0caine
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@xxslendermomxx3026 unrated comment
i ugly laughed but tbh?? Almost all anime / FF fans don't use deodorant so
aannddrreeaa I believe you lmao. The number one criticism I hear about anime cons is that it just smells like musty booty.
I congratulate you for not editing your comment to thank people for 1k likes. Good one on ya 👍
It's interesting how this has become a sort of "haha funny" thing to retell when pointing out weird communities, but the original story is such a horrifying look into how people like this can exist in even the most niche of circles.
Is it actually real though, or is it just like a made up story??
@CloudNIN420 I wasn't sure because sometimes these things turn out to just be internet myths.
Damn, there really be some fucked up people out there huh.
@@deathya1 look it up, one of Jen's former apprentices became a separate soul-bonder. There's a somethingawful thread on that person, and the FF7 house has long articles. There's some mirrors from livejournal and whatnot.
i think the worst thing about it is that the ones who do all the godawful shit are the ones who seemingly refuse to change, and just hop between communities and fandoms without ever considering how their actions affect people. (see: jen moving to the hannibal fandom, and then apparently to other stuff.) the lack of self awareness from these people is genuinely frightening
@@deathya1 I I can can I just send it out and get you in for it if I don't have
Imagine Jen, and a dementianal merge era Chris Chan sharing a house together, feeding each other's delusions.
I...might write a fanfiction of sorts about this lol
@@SirJoelsuf1 Point me in it's direction if you do, man. Sounds hilarious
Make for an interesting reality tv show lol
So which FF7 character would Chris Chan be
@@vwts cloudchu
How fitting that the people who kinned Zach and Aeris were essentially the good guys in the story, while the people who kinned Hojo and Jenova were undoubtedly the villains. Almost makes you wonder if the whole soul bonding thing has some truth behind it after all...
Lol true
the character you choose to identify with probably does say a lot about you
@@WorthlessWinner sadly yes
@@WorthlessWinner eh, sometimes but not always
Aeris is greedy tho
Things I hope get made into a "Down The Rabbit Hole" someday:
-My Immortal
-The Amazing Atheist
-David Icke's Reptilian theories
-Banksy
-The Poe Toaster
-Penny Dreadfuls
-Max Headroom incident
-Jimmy Screamerclaus
+1 vote for The Amazing Atheist. Also
-Goon Island (related to the SA forums featured in this video)
-My Elemental Goddess
-Derek Smart
-YTMND
-That one Western lady who thinks she's an authentic Japanese geisha without any actual credentials to back it up, can't remember her name
-Touhou and its fandom
@@OurBenefactors MagicalPockyUsagi (the weeb)
Link:ua-cam.com/video/uAoV5AZ9a6Q/v-deo.html
I have like two which is
-slenderman
-thac (marble hornets crew)
slenderman has been talked about like that a bunch so id be fine if he didnt do SM but no one ever talks about the downward spiral of thac and the breakup.
What is there to really talk about TJ (The Amazing Athiest) besides the banana thing and his falling out with Ben?
My vote is for the Amazing Atheist
Also I nominate to make a comprehensive timeline of the ENTIRE Channel Awesome drama, no matter how long the video is. Every. Single. Creator.
I’m back 2 years later after actually having played the game and, like, anyone obsessed with Hojo (and Jenova too for that matter) is already one giant flashing red flag
They're not even that interesting!
Red xiii flag
At first I thought you were generalizing so I was gonna dislike but then I remembered there villains so I liked instead,yeah you can like a character but not super obsessed
@@TankEngine75 considering Hojo tortured two people for like 2 years after his beautiful badass son killed a village and burned it down, and kidnapped two ancients, and nearly destroyed an entire city just to give his son a power boost. Yeah, not the best guy in the world
@@toxin2366 I don't remember making that Comment but yeah I agree
The way people laugh at this in the comments is literally why none of the victims really spoke out to try and get out sooner. FF7 House wasn’t just a couple of video game obsessed kids taking shit too far, it was a literal CULT.
Call the cops, people are laughing on the internet
@@Channel-gz9hm I can see why people hesitate to call cops especially in the US. They can pretty violent for no reason.
@@ShaoKahnnor They're at risk of being killed on a daily basis just for doing their job, especially now with all the anti-police sentiment going around. I personally hate the goose-stepping cops in most liberal cities that just blindly enforce tyrannical edicts handed down by their Democrat rulers in order to preserve their positions of authority, but there are far more good cops than bad, particularly in rural areas.
@@ShaoKahnnor bro was making a joke, why did you have to make it political??
@@Dild0swaggins63 well the joke was pretty political in and of itself. To be fair making fun of people is a crime in most western nations. Not here though 😊
Segments :
00:42 - Zach’s Story
5:44 - Zach Realizes
11:46 - Community Notice
17:23 - Mela’s Story
21:30 - Housemate Horror
25:03 - Sarah Saga
28:34 Sarah Saga Suspicions
30:44 - Jagerhunde’s 1st post
34:41 - Jager’s 2nd Post
After watching this video, I feel comfortable announcing that I am actually in a polyamorous relationship with the thumb people from Spy Kids, as I have soulbonded with them.
The Eggplant Mage were not degenerates here, we don’t believe in polygamy
Image you've traversed all the way to what you think is end of the game ready to square up against Medusa. Youre going in on extra hard difficulty. You got your handy dandy staff/club/palm or whatever the fuck and youre ready. And them some assfuck turns you into an eggplant and you die instantly. Fuck you eggplant mage
To be honest the thumb people in spy kids seemed like nice guys, so i can understand why you might be in such a relationship.
Is this true, brother?
After watching this I feel moderately better about my own life.
I wonder if the person going by Jen realizes the irony of their choice of name. Jenova in the ff7 games is a villainous parasite from space who manipulates people and tries to destroy the world. Much like the villain, Jen seemingly is also a villainous parasite who manipulates people and tries to destroy their personal and social worlds.
Well then it isn't ironic. It's perfectly accurate.
My thoughts exactly. I couldn't help but wonder, how much of her behavior comes from subconsciously playing the part of Jenova? Did she choose Jenova to "bond" with in the first place because she was already an abusive, manipulative person and could relate, or did she become an abusive, manipulative person over time because that's just what she thinks Jenova would do in her situation?
There's only one way to find out. Track down this nut-job and find out firsthand. Oh, and don't forget to make a detailed account of whatever you experience for us. Thanks in advance
*+Kyle Vickers*
Dear Kyle, you can't ask people to sacrifice their sanity and (possibly) their life for information! What if they never came back?!
Are you serious? Thats the obvious fact. She is not mentally ok, she needs to be in a facility where she cannot hurt or manipulate anyone. I don't know why she isn't being pursued after, she can cause a lot of damage.
I live and work in state college. There was a point in the 90s that my group of friends became annoyed with the Vampire LARPers. We spent a night hunting them down, pretending we were too stupid to know they weren’t real. This effectively diminished the population by getting many of them remembering it was a game, not a way of life. There is something here that’s allows people to be supported waaaaay to far into a delusion.
That was a genius move
Brothers let us hunt these Unholy Undead in the Name of God, may their Bones rest in peace
I actually knew a guy in high school who fully believed he was a vampire slayer despite having never seen or slayed a vampire
The lack of Barret is understandable considering no Black guy would be seen within ten miles of these people
"9/10 Has a little something for everyone."
- IGN
Excellent double joke
Dunkey
Goddammit my faces hurts from so much laughter
makes you feel like batman
Bruh
Me: can we get Final Fantasy 7?
Mom: we have Final Fantasy 7 at home.
Final Fantasy 7 at home:
👌
hhahahahahahahah
Literally at home
i fucking hate you my sides are in pain
Final Fantasy 7 at house
This is an intense story of young adults screaming and raging at each other in different words, but with the same message. "I don't want a real job, please let me be the hero and the victim in every story I ever tell."
Interesting. So you just ignored the abuse?
You have the emotional intelligence of a pebble. And not even a pretty one.
the self harming part made me "ouch", cuz I've been in a similar situation. I got you bro, hope you're doing ok.
Im soulbounded as that scientist that turned himself into a pickle
Funniest shit i have ever seen
What was his name? Roark?
"People don't understand I have an extremely high intellect."
clorox bleach what heis picpickd le rick he is not lyignn
*Funniest shit I've ever been
@@kyubayas oh look grammar nazi
The ringleader identifying herself with Jenova is a red flag right from the start honestly.
At least she would have an absolute banger of a theme if I beat her up
You may be onto something there. I mean, Jenova is a parasitic life-form that manipulates Cloud into believing he's not himself but a person who doesn't really exist. Now look at Jen who runs an Otakukin cult and cons her followers out of their money. No wonder she saw a lot of herself in Sephiroth's mom...
@@samt3412 honestly, if certain people had a disembodied, area-based battle theme when they got into a fight/got beat up, I'd condone violence more regularly
heh, yeah. parasite. that's what i came to see the in-game jenova as.
or if you prefer, lavos with alien tiddies.
It's interesting to note that the Japanese text in journal author's profile picture says, "help," or "help me."
I need a Where Are They Now episode for this
It turns out that the real insanity, was the friends they made along the way.
Fucking beautiful 😂
Honestly, Sarah doesn't strike as someone who actually believes in soulbonding stuff, but instead as an abuser who uses that as an excuse to abuse others.
Calling everyone racist and nazis. She truly was ahead of her time.
@@MisogynyMan Who do you think has been wrongfully called that?
@@crishealingvtuber8626 Many people
@@crishealingvtuber8626
Marcus Meechan (Count Dankula)
@@MisogynyMan You should see the 50's, everyone could be "cancelled" by simply being called commie. Then it was the early 2000's where people could be called terrorist lovers for not supporting certain illegal wars in the Middle East. At least the government won't do shit about those called nazis, many of those other people got fucked.
thank u oney for telling us of this video
Very cool video. Very uncomfortable to sit through. I suppose this was common place back in the early 2000's era of the internet. I happened to come across a really trauma-inducing group of people I met through Gaia online who I still think about regularly due to the things I experienced through them. I've never said this once on any sort of social media, but I figured hey... it's vague enough, and on a UA-cam comment, so it'll drown out. But from personal experience, stay away from people like these, no matter how welcoming and accepting they are, you're not alone, and they are not the answer.
Gaia online. Now there's a website I haven't heard in a long time. Agreed on some of the people you find there. That place is wild.
Please May I ask what happened if you’re ok with it?
My aunt has been talking about that site recently, should I worry?
@@badpiggies4926Probably not. It's just a game. Any online game can have its fair share of people like this, but they're rare
I'm soulbonded to parapa the rappa. Kick punch block and chop the door.
bob malfrank this is the best comment I’ve found yet.
ma man
Well I'm soulbonded to Um Jammer Lammy. NOW PUT THESE KIDS TO SLEEP WILL YA??
Woah,woah woah woah woah. Woah woah?
The fact you got the line wrong irrationally infuriates me
This isn't your average, everyday fictionkin. This is...
_ADVANCED FICTIONKIN_
I was not prepared.
Mitt Romney XIIV I'm mad how hard I just laughed.
*_P E A C C F I C T I O N K I N_*
Reading the first part ngl my brain went
*They're the legendary super Fictionkin*
also known as an IRL on the internet, real term: schizophrenic
Final Fantasy House is the single greatest warning against ever joining the occult I've ever seen.
Then clearly you've never read about Heaven's Gate. As disgusting and eye rolling the antics of these loons are, it can't possibly hold a candle to voluntary castration and mass suicide.
They’re just bad people
lmao... if you think the core of this was 'the occult = bad', I hope you don't meet anyone like Jen because you might just fall for it regardless given you totally missed the point of this horror story
I went through some research of myself and unfortunatelly, I have also came in contact with Jen and Serah more than 15 years ago on the Neoseeker forums, we used to play forum RPGs back then. Internet Dinosaurs like myself will know what I'm talking about, and these girls were there. Good lord.
“You’re both country grown, ...”
*furiously typing in google maps for Gongaga*
I did just that. I got some restaurant in Sao Paulo.
@@calebwheeler8143 I wonder if there are any Brazilian Zack cosplayers who go there regularly
@@calebwheeler8143 oh shit I live in São Paulo. Maybe I should start my own Final Fantasy House near Gongaga...
*me? Gongaga*
Now for Nibelhei- oh yeah
Ironic that they are "soul-bonded" to characters in a game that talked about not pretending to be someone you're not.
There’s so many layers or irony and ignorance.
I'm soulbonded to Tifa's left tiddy
@@rustyjones7908 I prefer the right tiddy personally.
“You are ruining [her] life. It is not okay to do so, even if you have her permission.”
Bro, this attitude isn't going anywhere.
As long as there are weak, nerdy men, there will be disgusting, "spiritual" girls who will exploit them.
They will defend their right to be awful and they will not allow any accountability.
@@roachdoggjr1940 i mean, i don’t disagree, but this was a woman analyzing a relationship between two women. honestly gender doesn’t have to be a part of it, i just thought it was a powerful line.
@@hurricanejaney I've never seen it reversed. Maybe you have, but I doubt it.