Metalhead Arrogance
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- In my new video I talk about how some metalheads can take their love for metal to the level of obnoxious arrogance.
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' there's only two kinds of music, music you like and music you don't like'
- Lemmy
"If you think you're too old to rock and roll, then you are."
Also Lemmy
@@beeragainsthumanity1420 There are only two kinds of music Good and Bad .
Louis Armstrong
There's only two kinds of music Good and Bad
Louis Armstrong
All forms of arrogance come from a deep seed of insecurity. Remember if someone is putting you down it's truly because they feel threatened or inferior in some way. Unless you do something deliberately provocative to them, they're just showing their own weakness. Hails!
“If you can’t name at least five black metal bands from every Scandinavian country, how can you enjoy the genre?”
-someone in my local scene with an Ulver shirt
Lol...fkn lol...!
Not hard though. Only 15 bands total.
I remember being called a poser by some 20 year black metal fan a few years back due to wearing an Emperor shirt - I had to point out I'd been listening to them for many years BEFORE he was actually born......
Oh, and I also pointed out that if I was a poser then so was he because he was wearing a Darkthrone "Blaze" shirt.....
I'm a metalhead that enjoys all sorts of music. I love me some classical music and some 80's pop.
Absolutely the same! 🖤 Yes, we can love Rotting Christ, Depeche Mode and Mozart at the same time, it does exist 😆! Darkwave and Synthwave are always on if not Metal, I could never betray either genre over the other 🖤
@@LDuke-pc7kq that's awesome. You're both a Metalhead and a Goth. So am I.
Been a metalhead for almost 20 years and late last year I was trying to decide if I want to deep dive into kpop or jazz. New year rolled around and now for the past 2-3 months I've been super into rap and hiphop 🤷🏻♀️
@@Zinetha gross. Grow up.
@@Anonymous-wb3nz No thanks.
A perfect case of this is Metallica being in Stranger Things this is a perfect way for people to be introduced into the music and start their journey yet old men are stomping these people out because they "had it easy" and didn't pull master of puppets out of their older brother's crusty record bin in 1986 and therefore think they don't deserve to listen to the music because the way people consume music has changed in the past 40 years and that's still a shock to them
I’m an older metalhead 50 now and I’ve been listening since I was 15 in 1987. I’m all for however people discover this music as long as they discover it. I also have never understood how some older fans act that way. Not everyone is able to discover it through friends/family so let people find it however they have to.
15 November 2022
That annoyed me so much. I couldn't believe how negative people were about that. Or should I say some people? Anyway, that whole thing with Eddie playing Master of puppets is like something metalheads used to draw in notebooks back in high school. A metalhead playing guitar and some evil underworld and there's bats flying around blah blah blah and lightning in the background.... You can't get more stereotypical metal and awesome than that!
I don't care if it's a TV show, movie or whatever. If it gets people into music, that's fantastic! I got into the doors from the movie. Obviously their songs were all over it and I found myself loving them and bought their albums. If it wasn't for that movie, I probably wouldn't have discovered them until way later in life
Yes its all perspective and its funny / cool the passion that is metal because in the grand scheme of things metal is a very very new art form. And people are so passionate about it. Metal has been around for 60 years , and thats up for debate. Shit man I'm 34 and il be dead in 60 years for sure and I've been listening to metal for 20 years. The elitist thing in metal is boring and lame. Unfortunately it dose exist, i chop it up to the dead Kennedys song macho insecurity, Long live metal
Metallica?...... BWAAAHAAHAAHAA 🦴☠️ iron maiden is more of a root to the tree of metal than Metallica... At least where the dark elements of metal are concerned. Also punk .. namely the OI! INFLUENCE AT LEAST IN SPIRIT, HAD ALOT TO DO WITH THE BLUE COLLAR MINDSET ACDC( BEFORE BON SCOTT PASSED
However music is communication and soul! Not commodized noise!!! I will sit and blast the grateful dead then Laugh while I jump to some old great depression era delta blues then surprise !!!!! Up next on k- fuck fm is dark throne . Then after that here comes old woody Guthrie!!! Fck it ! Whatever suits your mood at the time is what is appropriate!! Otherwise I beg the question .. DOES ANYONE ELSE THINK WITH THEIR OWN MIND AND HEART .or is " style" more important than SUBSTANCE!?🥶🤪😵💫🎃🙉🦴☠️🔥😎
I love this video. It shows that even metalheads can grow as people. To an extent I was that arrogant asshat in high school, who would put down others for liking other genres.
There is a lot of arrogance in youth (especially teenagers) but showing compassion and sharing our heavy and badass world with others is who we can spread the love for the music. Nowadays I'm listening to all sorts of genres and regularly show off my love for metal, punk, anime and various other fandoms.
Dude you’re spot on. Music is just whatever you’re into. Doesn’t matter as far as genre to me. A jam is a jam.
I enjoy a lot of goth stuff, you don't see me dressed like a goth because despite loving their music, I'm not goth. You can't just join a subculture because you like the music.
@@baalzagoroth4693 And there's a lot of people who dress goth who don't like goth music, what's your point? In matter of fact all the people i knew who listened to goth music didn't dress goth. You should probably stop basing your "personality" off of a musical genre.
Spot on! It's one of my biggest pet peeves with metalheads. It's gotten pretty bad to where I cringe calling myself a metal fan because these type of elitists are getting way out of hand lately.
I've been in hard rock and metal bands since the late '90s. In 2005 to 2007, I was in a metal band. We were very much inspired by the swedish metal going on at the time. Inflames, soilwork, etc... But we all liked every subgenre of metal and rock.
I was the vocalist. But also the nu metal guy of the band. My 2 favorite bands have been Korn and Deftones since 98. Of course I love all types of metal and rock, but those two bands are my biggest inspiration. It would surprise some of our fans when they would ask me what my influences were because our music was more on the heavier side of things. I mean one of our guitar players was really big into strapping young lad and stuff like that.
One show we played. I want to say it was with God forbid? We opened the show and this was after our set. I was standing in the snack line and some guy walks up to me saying he really liked our music, saw us a bunch of times and that our demo has not left his truck in months. So of course I was blown away and happy as hell to hear stuff like that. I mean What musician wouldn't? That's like the ultimate compliment.
So he asked me who my favorite bands are. I was honest. I kid you not he got so angry and disgusted with me. Like you swear I told him I was a Nazi or something. It was bizarre. He said something like "I'm throwing out your demo! I can't believe I wasted money on a nu metal fag", then storms off.
I'm just stunned lol. I didn't really know what to say. This was back when Myspace first became a thing. So then we get this comment from him on MySpace which was like a novel long about how we are frauds and listen to pop music 😂😂😂. No one took him seriously and it was ignored, but I still tell that story to this day because it shows the arrogance of some metalheads. This guy was probably 25 or so at the time
I'll fully admit to having a small arrogant side of me when it comes to heavy metal, thinking that I have a great music taste compared to many people my age (24), and being proud of not being into mainstream pop/rap/country/etc. But deep down, I know I'm not special for any of that, and that there are people in my age range who like metal as well.
Now, like I've said in many of my comments, I'm very shy and introverted, so I've never really had conversations with other people about metal or music in general. Sometimes I wonder what I would be like if I had a friend/girlfriend who was hardcore into music I don't like, would I be respectful, or would that arrogant side come out of me and make me be a complete asshole to that person? I'd like to think I wouldn't be, but with how much I love metal, I can't deny the possibility.
It is a shame that the small minority of people in a fandom could turn someone away who could've potentially enjoyed that show/band/etc. While I do believe that some level of gatekeeping is necessary, as to keep people out who only pretend to like said thing or spout the most ridiculous bullshit/lies about something, you can't go around telling people that they're not "true fans" or be a complete dick to someone who're just trying to enjoy something. My advice to anyone who has experienced this, please know that these people are the only the loud minority, and that most of us in the fandom welcome new members. I know that may be hard to believe, but trust me.
I've been subscribed to you for a few years along with a multitude of other metal UA-camrs, and this is something that rarely gets addressed. And when it does, there's rarely any nuance. It's always hardline elitist vs 100% anti-gatekeeping absolutists. The truth is always in a grey area, and it's really refreshing to see this sort of take.
Glad to see a new video from this channel
Okay, let me go on a bit of a rant here.
I was a repressed metalhead for basically all my teenage years. I got called basically every slur in the book just because I was into something "not metal enough". These were all people who barely knew my name.
I got into the genre when I was about 11-12. It was through metalcore and hard rock. And I joined the community pretty early in my journey. But damn. I got stomped. To. Hell. And back. Jesus, it even made me question IF I like it. I mean, I was supposed to be some kind of poser, not to mention all the comments I got because I presented as a woman. Keep in mind I was a very young impressionable teenager. All the elitism imprinted on me. So I started hating myself. I hated pop punk, metalcore, rock, all that. All the stuff I loved with my whole heart. And the media I consumed on mainly UA-cam didn't help either.
Come along the time the frontman of my favorite band died. I was grieving like never before. So I turned to the "metal brotherhood". Their answer? He sings metalcore so him and you both should basically be ashamed. This made me turn away from metal. Remember the saying "the boy who never felt the villages love will burn it down to feel it's warmth"? I basically did that.
But after years of fighting and denial I returned and said, who cares? And we're here. I love metal, even other genres.
But the sheer arrogance some people have sometimes genuinely impact people.
@@SatanenPerkele well I’ll say it like this for me the metalhead community has been a very positive experience. Now there have been times when I thought the exact opposite but I say as long as you avoid or try to avoid the negativity and toxicity (system of a Down pun intended lol) it will be a much more positive experience. ☺️🤘horns up my fellow Metalheads
Metalcore... ewwww
@@tzzeek imagine being the exact person I talked about and still making comments like this
@@SatanenPerkele Because the actual Metal Community exists outside of Online Spaces, which are almost always horrible (especially on reddit)
Let me guess you first joined a big online space like Reddit? No wonder you had such a shitty experience.
Thank you for making this video man.
Good recommendation, looking forward to seeing Amon Amarth next month
I agree, and I also really enjoy it when it comes to people coming to me for recommendations on metal bands to get into. Two of my coworkers in the past have come to me asking about metal recommendations, one of them was just looking for other Metallica song recommendations (he had just finished watching Stranger Things), the other told me that she was listening to Beartooth, and I suggested bands like BMTH and Motionless in White.
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You are so freaking down to earth. I love your honesty around this topic. As a teenager I was also aroggant more so towards indie music and anyone who listened to commercial music was considered "less cool". My metal journey begin more so in my 20s, Iron Maiden was the first band that got me into classic metal. Amon Amarth was the first band that got me into death metal. And Amon Amarth got me into Death Metal. Although I'm a metalhead, I call myself a music nerd as I love and appreciate slot of subgeneres of metal and of rock. Folk metal isy favorite subgenere of metal currently.
You inspired me to do a video about arrogance in my niche.
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I like several different metal genres. So I don't snub anybody! Always a proud metal chick! Great episode! Stay Heavy eh! 🤘
Your self honesty is refreshing.
Great video Werewolf
I used to be like this too until I started getting into Backpack Rap and Jazz music, and those influences actually helped me write Metal music that was even better than the Metal music I grew up listening too.
Luckily I never behaved like that with people, nor did they behave like that with me directly. My problem was the embarrassment of wearing metal shirts in public because of the stares of other metalheads, who thought I was wearing them only for fashion, trends or shit like that
I mean it is annoying that people don’t know who is true in their beliefs but it is also mad cringe to pull up on someone and say name three bands. My solution is that there should be manditory euthenasion for all posers and the like
If you don't know the band, do not wear the shirt. That's a sign of a low IQ.
It's gotten to the point where gatekeepers and elitists are the biggest problems and turn me off to the scene, I'll never leave the scene but the metal community is so much more toxic then it needs to be, if you like metalcore, glam metal, nu metal etc. you're a poser to them, or those people that shit on Metallica for 30 years but then master of puppets is in one episode of stranger things and all of sudden they wanna comeback and gatekeep Metallica like they were some obscure underground band and not the biggest metal band in the world. Just doesn't make sense to me and honestly it's gotten to the point where I'd rather hang with someone wearing a band shirt who has no clue what they're wearing rather then hang with the elitists who think they're the coolest thing since sliced bread because they listen to some obscure avant-garde black metal band with the "everyone is a poser but me" attitude.
Gatekeeping is in the eyes of the poser.....
Totally agree with you! A while ago, some dude told me that "I couldn't be a metalhead because I also liked punk and rock music". I just ignored him
Metal and punk *is* rock, though, so that distinction sounds weird
I'm 52 and I got into metal at 11 and punk around 16. I love both genres still. Extreme metal would be completely different if it wasn't for the influence of punk on metal
Can’t have one without the other
How Did he think metal Got invented?
I'll be seeing Amon Amarth this winter with Obituary and Carcass and I can't wait🤘
Love that Venom banner.🤘🏻
Man, you make me happy to be a metalhead and give me the courage to let people know that metal ain't that scary at all.
I definitely don't think it's a huge problem if you're not on the internet much, since that's likely where you're gonna find this gatekeeping arrogance I think. Not to say I haven't had an irl experience though. In my freshman year of high school, I remember this tall, skinny, thrash mosher-looking dude who was in my theater class then was definitely like this. I think a specific moment I remember was I think he asked me what I was listening to, I said dubstep, and he threw a fit. Granted I've been a metal fan for as long as I can remember, I just happened to like dubstep, even moreso back then in 2016 than now, since now it's all riddim that's so boring you can fall asleep to it, but still.
Though despite being an American metalhead specifically, I'm also a giant weeb and I guess I just ended up liking most of the same metal music Japanese metalheads would like (power metal, nu metal, metalcore, deathcore, maybe prog metal. The only exception is glam metal which I never really cared for outside of the visual kei bands that were inspired by it, which is most of Japan's metal scene, and melodic death metal to a lesser extent).
Totally agree with you. God I was cringe when I was a gatekeeper nowadays I don't even consider any change in style of a band as selling out
Opeth though... Im still super pissed about that to this day.
I know that many of us feel the same. I love this discussion. 🤘
I was once that type of Metalhead, now I look back and cringe
I use to be stupid like that. But now I understand that I just let people listen to to there music & I listen my music and let people be myself like they be themselves
Thanks for the video. Very much appreciated. There is nothing that gets under my skin more than some gatekeeper telling me that I'm not metal enough because I like other genres of music. Like you said bro, you can get away with that kind of arrogance when you're 14, but when you're 41? Come on man.
Ah, thanks for saying this.
I have never pushed my metal boundaries on any one, ever. I always liked ehat I liked, I tried influencing people towards my favourite bands and music. It was always up to them if they liked it or not. I dont believe in being an Elitist or, arrogant about musoc, its always the individuals decision.
Those who are arrogant and like to THINK they know better than every one else, I will stick my ass in the air and tell them "your are a top grade BELLEND" 🤣 until the next time my fellow metalheads 🤘
I knew in highschool I was the only dude besides one of my close friends that listened to the stuff we listened to. Yeah, we used to think our taste in music was superior at some point.
When I was in my teens, I listened to a lot of classic rock and metal. I grew up listening to bands like Cream, The Who, Jimi Hendrix, and The Doors, while also listening to Slayer, White Zombie, Alice Cooper, and Venom. There were many bands that I didn’t that existed within metal. In my 20’s, I found myself listening to bands like Death, Deicide, Cannibal Corpse, Mayhem, Immortal, and so much more black, death, and extreme bands that I never stopped. I grew as a metalhead as an individual. Now that I am in my 30’s, my love for metal just grows because it empowers me. I would never let any asshole tell me that my love for this type of music is wrong or have any metalhead call me a posier for the way I dress and present myself. I rather be extreme in my music than be extreme in my attitudes. Everyone thinks differently. It’s best to leave at that! This genre of music encourages maturity.
I allways try to get people to like metal bands based on what they like, it does not have to be music related either since after that you will think of metal bands with those topics.
I think everyone who loves extreme metal can take a look in the mirror and be honest ; yes, most off all have been a moron and called people posers and what not.
It's good to realise that we've grown up, i cringe when i think about my younger self sometimes, haha!
Good video!
Amen, brother. I hate elitism and gatekeeping in metal, it's such bullshit. Let people enjoy what they enjoy.
It's similar to how some metalheads will give you shit if you like power metal, despite also loving death and black metal too. I love all three of those sub-genres and don't have time for morons who question that.
I feel like it's mostly only North Americans that would give you shit about power metal since basically every other place with a prominent metal scene seems to like it (by that I mean South America, Europe and Japan of course. Australia I'm not sure about).
Gatekeeping and elitism aren't as similar as people think. Gatekeeping keeps it real, and is a great thing for metal. The last thing we need is poseurs involved in metal.
Gatekeeping is necessary in any subculture. It keeps out the false information and the posers.
When night falls she cloaks the world in impenetrable darkness
Here in Russia a lot (if not all of them) of pop singers use fonograms during their shows, pretending to sing live. This embarrassing shit was the foundation for metalheads arrogance, since metal band always perform 100% live.
Great points! Im a metal head at heart. I play guitar and bass, I can be playing Slayer one day and Stevie Wonder the next. Alot of songs in different genres catch my ear.
I think we've all been arrogant about music, especially metal, at one point or another. I think a good way to combat this is to explore other genres and really define what you enjoy and understand why others may like it.
I'm not gonna say listen to pop, rap, modern country or anything in that area seeing as how those may be the main problematic genres with little to nothing to offer. But if you're the kind of person is to insult genres with artistic merit or inherent value (like jazz, rock, punk, industrial, goth, classical, funk, folk, blues, early country, etc) solely based on your first impression then definitely check out said genres as much as you do your favorite genre. Taking the time to research and understand some genres will give some people much needed insight.
Spot on. I used to be about metalcore and thats it really. Whateve i liked outside of that in my mind were the outliers, even though there were lots of outliers, i just didnt know artists or names, i was mainly a gamer, just happened to be emo lol. Fast forward and i found suicide silence, the heaviest band id ever found then, other than accidentally stumbling onto pornocore lol. A friend really like suicide silence and went heavier and i stayed in metalcore. When Design the Skyline surrounded by silence came out, he loved it, a lot of us mocked it. Fast forward and i see fee bits ot death metal i like, i used to hate it. To be fair its not my favorite still but some death metal fucking rocks. Once i focused on me ( divorce and other big changes ) i delved back into music, and got really big on indie pop, some shoe gaze, anything mellow and reminding me not to be a negative thinker anymore. Then i heard a heavy song whatever it was, and my body reacted much more happily than i did with the soft stuff even if i still like it. Shit like cavetown and chloe moriondo. Cavetown because i really relate, chloe because theyre friends, i found her first, and because its hard to take seriously, but shes having fun and growing up doing what she loves which is excellent. Fast forward
I delve into death metal and find lots of bands i like. Then check out whats new in metalcore and deathcore. Noe i love deathcore more than metal core, melodic death when i hated that shit when i was younger, blackened death metal and blackened deathcore, crust punk, pop punk, industrial etc. Idk what about looking into all this did or why but i can easily say after expanding my collection of music i enjoy, especially hardcore influenced, that i dont take myself nearly as seriously. I enjoy whatever i come across thats pleasing and theres no yes man involved just my ears. I think sometimes people hate what something represents rather than itself, and for me, its metallica. I cannot tell you why i hate them, its not their music but still when i hear them i get mad. Yet ill HAPPILY turn some limp bizkit up. Its not fair or consistent. Theres a little gatekeeper in all of us when you see how many try to emulate bands that excel, but the bands copying get more for it. Its not their fault, time and place, luck, etc. But since we KNOW theyre copying, we may feel a way about it. Add context if you were or are in the scene or keep up with it and it becomes understandable. Its about not tarnishing what theyre passionate about. It goes to far of course, but i dont think the little gatekeeper is a bad guy, hes an inexperienced guy, and if all you know is one genre or one set of genres, its like working your first day on the job but everyday. Seeing genre hopping influence is awesome too, expands my mind s bit
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You decided just to be arrogant about rap and pop music lol. Every genre has merits period People like you probably just need to shut up because you guys keep an eye. Embarrassing yourself with peold re evaluating artistic merit of certain people's music.George Michael just won the fan vote to get into the rock roll hall of fame yesterday,. If you were to say that back during his wham days he wouldn't even believe you. Too bad George Michael didn't get to see his music finally be appreciated artistically.
I’m GenX so there’s no hope for me. Lol But I get it and LOVE YOUR CHANNEL!! 🤘🙌💗💗
Your doing a good service to our societies for the reminder to be cool and dont be a dick.
*you're. Punctuation and spelling matters.
it is the eternal immaturity of the small fish in a small pond trying to run the school because it's the only thing they pretend to feel accepted by, or want to.
To each his own!
Just like Slipknot's song : Surfacing I wouldn't want people judging me so... I don't judge.
That exact same thing happened to me with lordi that happened to you with star wars.
I completely agree with you makes a lot of sense you can be a metalhead but that doesn't mean you have to insult or put someone down just because they don't like metal it was the opposite in middle school for me almost everyone liked rap music and no one liked rock or metal music and I was cast aside for being a metalhead which is stupid and ridiculous
gatekeeping is dumb, just let people like what they like, and give suggestions for people who want to find new genre, movie, show, ect. it's easier to be nice than mean and easier to ignore stupid people.
Gatekeeping is metal and necessary
Gatekeeping is in the eyes of the poser. If you're that sensitive, stay out of the scene. We don't need crybabies here.
I’m 33 and I still love to mosh.
I hate when I go to shows and the older people get mad when the pit opens up.
I hope to never become old and lame like these people.
I don't mosh anymore...I'm 59.
I don't get too near to a pit these days, but it's still fun to watch younger folks having fun.
Believe it or not, you're gonna get old before you know it.🤘
33 is kinda old
33 is still a very young person.....
I live in Utah and I'll go to punk rock, synthwave, avant-garde, etc shows and I'll usually see a lot of familiar faces and they'll usually be wearing their battle jackets. I'd say we have a pretty healthy scene here. However, when I was in high school I went to a lot of punk rock shows and I remember some guy with a mohawk and nose piercings telling me I don't belong there because I had long hair. Didn't really bother me all that much because I was just like I don't need a stupid haircut to prove that I'm punk. All in all, I'd say in Utah gatekeeping isn't that big of a deal. Other places might be worse. But Utah is pretty chill.
SLC punk turned me on to the “Utah scene”. Got to visit once and the people of Utah are so fucking awesome. Best anywhere!
@@michellep9999 SLC punk is definitely one of my favorite movies filmed in my home state. Unfortunately, the punk scene is not as good as it used to be 10 years ago. One of our famous punk venues BRICKS/ in the venue got demolished last year. Also, there's kind of a mild divide in the community between the hardcore punk elitists and suburban yuppie types who wants to impose their rules on the scene. And then you have people like me who just want to go to shows and have fun. But it's not all bad news, there's a skateboard and punk rock record shop called ranch records That's been around for 30 years and is still going strong. Also the metal community is really flourishing. We got our first heavy metal bar here two years ago and almost every week that place is packed.
This is very similar to what happens in the Goth subculture when you have people who are new to the scene and regardless if they want it or not by being in a small town with very few Goths they are an ambassador for the subculture so they better not make fools of themselves because they only bring shame on the rest of us too.I’d also say on the other side of the spectrum you have people who have been in the scene for a very long time who have been accused of gatekeeping and been elitists often by people who are not very knowledgeable about the scene or the music that is considered to be part of the scene.
Metal is the best music.
used to be when i was a teenager , funny but good days
My family raises chickens and the roosters make em all look loud
4:19 ...well, you weren't totally wrong there (hahaha).
The "where's the beef ?" Was a advertising campaign for Burger King ( circa 1980s)
Dude, I think Your poster down on the bottom right corner is trying to tell You something.... Get ABBATH!!! 😂😂😂
I don't mean that as anything personal, but just as a silly joke, Dude! 😅
But yes, everything You have said here, I see where You are coming from! 🤘
for me i dun talk alot i just simply display all my Metal albums in office for all to see \m/ Peace and Metal Thank you so much love listening to this Metal my best friend. BUT Metal has also taught me respect to others choice of music
You have two types of metalheads, the ones that see someone in a cool metal shirt and think oh fuck I wanna talk to that person about music and then the ones that automatically assume you don’t listen to it and are only wearing the shirt to look cool.
I fucking love when people approach me about my shirts and wanna talk about the music.
Depends on the shirt though innit? Metallica or Slayer is omegaSus where as if someone wore a blasphemy shirt I would also assume they are cool.
I have always gravitated toward the extreme end of things with the music. But still love me some weird Al. That would usually get anyones additude straight. And I've been doing this since like 86, 87ish. METAL!!!!!!
The Metalhead's superiority complex is why metal was dying.
I remember there was this one dude in a discord sever like that, was being a bit annoying on the music channel, was mostly posting I think devourment and behemoth songs and was always saying that others music wasn't heavy enough and such, eventually I noticed he wasn't posting anymore, I think he got banned, and from that moment on I barely saw any metal post, well except some Metallica and dream theater from a friend from time to time
I totally agree
Like your T-shirt! Where do I get one?
Its one thing to fanboy and gatekeep in middle/highschool but there is a time one must grow up.
Another video for the WC.
I used to rag on non-metal music when I was in high school. Right after I graduated, though, grunge was in full swing, and the tables were turned, as I would catch flak for liking metal ("You still listen to that waaaaaa widdly widdly stuff?"). That's when I really turned to death and black metal, which were still new, and got no more rude comments after that, except for "How can you listen to that crap?" To which I would answer, "Easy, with my ears, haha!" But lesson learned, I no longer rag on somebody else's jam unprovoked (even if it's rap or country, the bane of my existence).
Well said! I think for a lot of us it's part of the growing process as you grow with your metal. Maybe? I was a douche...as I grew older I realized the truth is people are awesome and terrible and there's a lot to every person aside from music. And sadly because of the subject of this video, I do not really associate with metal heads even though I grew up on DM/BM for well....a long time. I want to meet them, but because I don't look the part anymore people just either do a one up conversation, or assume I know nothing, etc. UGh. Nothing against looking the part, Its just less important to me in my old age haha. Anyway I hope to have a cool group of metal friends again someday, but I am complete anyway. Maybe it's just where I live there's not much for metal and so the people are elitist ( like I was 25 years ago....hmmm....karma?).
Thanks for this! you caused me to sub you \m/
Metalheads often forget what it was like when they first got into the genre.
Yeah, a lot of us were bullied for our music taste, and how we looked/dressed, etc. and for some, they feel like once they've found "their tribe" and "their identity", it's now their turn to be the bully. It happens in punk, goth, everything else as well.
I even remember having to take a break from metal for awhile right around the whole early 2000s NSBM craze, when you just couldn't be a metalhead if you weren't a white supremacist, misogynist, homophobic asshole and didn't worship Varg Vikernes and the Pagan Front, and didn't despise absolutely anyone from any other culture or subculture. It was toxic to the point of cult indoctrination. I'm really glad that trend has died though, and coming back to the metal scene, one can see it's grown up a bit. People have more of a sense of knowledge, open-mindedness, and maturity to them, and I think it's changed for the better.
I mean, I still think metal should be a place where dangerous music and dark extremism should be explored, but the ultimate question is always "dangerous to whom??"
Yeah, it reminds me of my old experiences with the metalheads and more recently with the goth subculture. In fact I have noticed that goth tends to be one of the worst subcultures, the gatekeepers are afraid that real goth will be lost forever or whatever if they don't constantly limit goth music to the same niche bands and genres from the 80's... imagine if that would have happened for metal, thinking real metal is only a few subgenres of metal, like thrash metal from the 80s and considering all the rest, not metal. They sound as annoying as the metalhead kid screaming Poseur under a Slipknot music video in the late 2000's...just sad, and it definitely feels like indoctrination more than a subculture where people can be creative whilst sharing commonalities in taste. Social media has been making this worse, and communities are just getting more and more fragmented by the alienating nature of the gatekeeping discourse.
I’m a metalhead who loves all kinds of music. I’m a super fan of many genres such as metal, rap (BabyTron the goat), classical, and many more. I don’t understand how someone can go through their entire life and put down other people for their taste is beyond me
I feel like if someone coming from rock or something kind of light asked me for a metal band to get into, the sadist in me would point them to something like K.F.R. with a straight face, knowing full well what I've just done.
Elitists and gatekeepers are the worst.
For example, if I meet a girl who likes Mastodon or Slayer and I’m asking them what their favorite album is or if they’ve seen em live, I’m doing it because I’m genuinely interested and I prefer that over small talk. I’m not trying to quiz them.
Funny enough. I don’t have other metal heads quizzing me, calling me a poser, etc. But I’ve had people of other genres say “you prolly won’t like this because it’s not heavy” and it’s like um, how do you know that? You won’t know until I listen to it.
While metal is my favorite genre, I also love 90s hip hop, punk, new wave, outlaw country, etc. Just because it’s not metal doesn’t mean I won’t like it and just because it’s metal doesn’t mean I’ll automatically like it.
I feel like almost everyone who is into metal has had some form of a shameful elitist phase. Mine happened when I was in high school, specifically when I had an intense prog metal phase during the part of the year that was interrupted by covid. Luckily, it didn’t take me too long to move past this obnoxious superiority complex that I inexplicably had over just a couple bands, and I listen to a far wider variety of music now.
7:46 a douchebag who called me a poser for not knowing the band Tank a band that i said I found out because of Tom Angelripper wearing a t shirt of them when i saw Sodom, this giy also was talking down to me for liking bands such as Nervosa, and Burning Witches just because the members are women
I want to pose myself as an example recently I discovered that sometimes I maybe listen to metal albums but I'm not an album listener and I prefer listening to metal songs individually depending on my taste. That's something that might make me less of metalhead for some people even a "poser" for others, but this is the way I enjoy listening to metal and I don't want to change it just to feel more accepted, I don't think I have to prove to anyone that I'm a metalhead. I buy T-shirts,CDs,I listen to the music by my way with passion and attend concerts of my favourite bands (two of which are Sabaton and Manowar btw) and I think that's enough to call myself a metalhead.
Man, I was such a piece of trash in my metal teen years. I was one of those who believed Anything that wasn't metal was trash and should be abolish lol. And then I grew up only to discovered and try listening to different types of music. Metal will always have a special place in my heart but the thought of only listening to one genre of music for the rest of my life would drive me insane. I need variety in my music taste that also includes pop songs old or new lol.
I think we all were this at one one or another and ended up growing out of it. Like myself who started listening to other genres around end of high school and ended up really loving it. Still a metalhead but I never understood the elite people who thinks you only listen to this band and that band only to get some “approval” which is the most stupidest and saddest way to live your life and being on the internet getting but hurt over people who just wear a shirt for looks and those are grown people are in there 50s… literally. Just be open mined cause you’ll be surprise how many metalheads actually likes pop music or rap.
I find it annoying that Metal elitists hate any band that is high selling. I tried bring friends of mine that were just getting into metal around metalhead friends, and when the newbies were asked by metalheads which bands they listened to and gateway bands like Metallica, Ozzy, Slipknot, Korn, A7X, Cannibal Corpse, Ghost ect.. were mentioned, the metalheads would shun my newbie friends, and treat them like posers.
Some of the most respected bands for us elitists are high selling
I wholly agree with your viewpoint, while enthusiasm toward your favorite genres is a key factor and draw to some people who may be curious as to why you are so passionate about said band or genre. I know for a fact that my love for thrash and hardcore punk is not equally shared between all metalheads and punks (that isn't even going into some of the more obscure genres I appreciate like harsh noise or drone) those first impressions are imperative for someone to at least look at metal and/or punk in a more favorable light and maybe even giving some of the more well known artists within metal a shot to see if they enjoy it. The biggest point is to not only ignore the annoying eliteist, but to provide a guiding hand to someone interested and show them that everyone isn't like that. In fact, I've met so many rad people at shows I would have never had the chance to meet if it weren't for my buddy helping me find more amazing music to fall in love with. I wouldn't trade those memories for the world.
Your flags are... entry level.
hi, i'm kind of new in the metal world does anybody have any band/song recomendation to give me :)?
I have pretty wide taste when it comes to metal. There's some sub-genres that I just couldn't get into. But that doesn't invalidate people's enjoyment of them.
I used to be like that arrogant person, but as i got older, my music tastes have matured in the last 5 years, listening to music that i wouldn't listen to before that isn't rock or metal, I can go from motzart to canibal corpse in a blink of a eye, the metalhead arrogance can put people off from getting into metal,
The only people I ever judge based on music are the ones that say that they listen to everything then get mad when you play metal and it isn’t based on their taste but just the fact that they lied about something that you have no reason to lie about and it just makes it hard to trust that person otherwise I would just recommend a couple of bands I think that they would like and if they don’t want that I just change the subject from music to something else that I like
to all you say I totally agree (now). I used to be that kind of dickhead talking shit about people that don't listen to metal or to the ''wrong'' kind of metal.
Metal heads being all nice and inclusive. It is a reaction to how outsiders are treated. Screw that!
Anyone who says you can't be a metalhead because you like stuff that isn't metal needs to grow up, humans are multifaceted, take me for example, I love metal, but I also love hard rock, I like bands like slayer, cannibal corpse and my all time favorite, motionless in white, but I also like Three Days Grace, My Chemical Romance, and (I'll admit) Black Veil Brides, (I also have a guilty pleasure for Country music) but at the end of the day, metal will always be my favorite music, and that's what I will mostly associate myself with
I felt the arrogance when I was younger. Hell I still do but now I indulge in other people's interests. I think most people grow out of it with age. And ya Metal rules.
As a metalhead other genres of music like raw 90's hip hop & underground hip hop I also enjoy. Not into the mainstream stuff but I don't really knock others for their taste in music.
Hip hop? Gross
@@Anonymous-wb3nz if you mean rap like Drake, lil wayne, Future & Young Thug etc then yes gross but real raw Hip Hop like the Wu-Tang Clan, Organized Konfusion, Ras Kass, Chino Xl & Krs One etc I can respect because they actually have insightful & intelligent lyrics.
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Sounds like me from around 1984 - 1994.
Been working on toning down the arrogance on my end, I have always had an eclectic taste though and if someone found a song through any medium and they enjoy the song or band regardless of whether it's a mainstream outlet or not then more power to them, I am just glad they're digging it. No need for elitism at all.
Elitism exists as when their is a new metalhead they will always be a poser and it is our job to guide them away from trash like metalcore, deathcore, modern power metal, melodic death metal, Nu-metal, and other poser things.
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I’m getting to be a older metalhead will be 30 on May 22, 2023. I’ve been listening since I was 13 in 2006. I have listened to other types of music including hip hop. They guys from Anthrax were influenced by rap music as they came up in New York City, made a rap song and collaborated with rap legends Public Enemy. You even have rappers like Ice T, Tupac Shakur and Enimem that are loved by metalheads who listen to rap music from time to time. Anyways, the music helps and changes people’s lives and the older we get the wiser we become. It’s just unfortunate that the older generation headbangers in their 40s and 50s that were there when the scene was huge tend to sound like grumpy old people which isn’t really cool and being downers to the younger generation. I’m a proud headbanger from the 2000s and 2010s and I was taught to respect my elders especially when it comes to musical tastes. We all just need to change for a bit and heal as human beings even if we don’t like the same music. 1 John 1:9
Lol, 30 is not an "older Metalhead" you twit. Also, get your creepy religion out of here. 🖕🖕
Arrogance has its place. There are metal-haters who feel like they are entitled to never be exposed to heavy metal even for a minute, those people deserve it. But never be a arrogant metalhead against other metalheads - you can tease someone about their preference - but dont be all serious about it. In my opinion, MOST heavy metal is not very good, most good metal bands run out of inspiration after about 3 records, and even the best albums have a song that you skip over, but one must be wise how to choose ones words. Live heavy metal is different because you might be able to get into it even if it isnt good. There is a difficult moral zone when it comes to commercially produced music - music which deserves derision because it is so obviously fake metal - it has no sincerity. But we must be careful dissing all glam rock or even all grunge just because it is associated with commercialism - because - all heavy metal is subject to the most of it isnt very good rule. It is the same with all music, most music isnt right, you take any genre of music and most of it isnt very good, except for a few exceptions like Mongolian folk music for which the bad bands WHICH ARE THERE and do constitute the majority, havent made it over yet and that scene still is dominated by the best bands, Huun Huur Tu for example.
Also, I think we have to rank how sinful it is to be arrogant based on the music we are being arrogant against.
Chiefly, the more commercially inspired it is - rather than sincere - the more arrogance becomes less bad - I am not saying it will help you at trial that the music you dissed was for example The Eagles, but it may help you in sentencing
Funny enough I thought I was better than other people do didn't listen to "metal" in middle school. I wrote metal in quotes cause I was a poser and I thought rock/numetal bands were metal. Elitism is stupid, though happens with this genre because so many people call non metal, metal. What should be done in these instances is just telling the person politely those bands are rock or hardcore subgeneras not "haha poser". Only once irl did someone try to do that to me, and he was wearing a linking park t shirt so I don't think he was any less of a "poser" than me. I continued to call nu metal, metal core, and deathcore as "metal" for years because no actual explanation was given to me online about why those are not metal, instead just name calling. Once I got into various actual metal subgeneras did I realize by sound how those other genres are not metal. Now I am a metal fan, though I do see often people shitting on popular bands and calling them poser bands, when they are in fact metal. They often say "we don't say bands are poser for popularity we like Judas priest" but it happens so often. I'm more into softer metal I guess. I prefer melodeath over death metal and symphonic black metal and atmospheric black metal over the really raw bands and I do think some people are obnoxious about things not being heavy enough for them, but nothing anyone says will be enough to drive me away from what I like to listen to.
great vid💃 same problem exist in the punk community
Here’s an example I’m a hardcore metalhead but I do also enjoy country music and I mean old old country music like Johnny cash and hank Williams now I don’t have nearly as much knowledge of country than I do heavy music but I do enjoy country. ☺️
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I remember when somebody asked me about one of my favorite death metal bands and I said it was children of Bodom and the person told me that wasn't real death metal, that it was just a pretty guy playing guitar. Since then I rather not to talk about my favorite metal bands to metalheads.