Don't Say This On The Radio - Day 27 of The 31 Day Safer Pilot Challenge
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- Опубліковано 26 січ 2024
- Welcome to Day 27 of The 31 Day Safer Pilot Challenge 2024.
In this video we look at a common phrase that really should not be said on the radio and the reason behind it.
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I was practicing emergency engine out landings at my local airport. I called "base to final with simulated engine failure" which was followed by someone with "simulated fire trucks rollin". Love a good sense of humor. 🙂
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😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 I'm surprised he didn't asked "how many simulated souls on-board?"
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When I was a student, I heard someone say "my controls" over the radio. I couldn't help myself, I radioed back "your controls". 🤣
Fresh PPL pilot from Austria here. I've heard someone meow on a military frequency. No kidding. No kitting either!
LOL, don't do it unless you are a cat who wants a spanking from the Grumpy ATC Cat 🙂
27/27. “Taking runway 19” where are you taking it?? Are you going to return it so we can use it too??🤣🤣
27/27 I fly into several pilot controlled airports where pilots still don’t make calls at all. It is scary. Just as bad, A few weeks back I was giving my son some refresher on small single engine maneuvers, and we heard someone call out, “Hey Andy, watch this!” We never heard from either of them again.
I know the feeling. I was on pattern work with my instructor entering down-wind when another plane just showed up under and to the side from no where without previous notice. Even my instructor, both a fighter pilot and commercial pilot veteran, was like WTF!!!
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If you’re low time or just very young in aviation, don’t let pressure rush you to talk fast like other more experienced pilots. Yes we need to be as efficient as possible on frequency, but rushing through a transmission that no one could understand still took up time on frequency and did not accomplish anything. Be concise, be confident! When you make a mistake, move on! All of us have made mistakes including the super fast, confident, articulate folks you hear on frequency that you want to sound like. Nobody just woke up that way! We all have to work at it and strive to get better! You can do this! DON’T QUIT!!!
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I'd like to expand that even to experienced pilots: Just don't talk fast. If you feel you need to cram your transmission in less time, think more and omit the least valuable data. Talking faster makes you harder to understand. Review and Practice your phraseology at home. For EU pilots: EASA has a great little booklet EGAST, I'm sure FAA must have something alike.
27/27! So many times I’ve heard “anybody in the traffic pattern, please advice.” Also I heard an airliner recently say “I gottem on the fish finder” 😅
“Clear the active” on a non controlled field was a big DPE no-no I was warned about not saying
As a CFI myself, it’s comical sometimes what confused reactions I would hear from other pilots when student pilots say “10-4” on the radio.
27 for 27. Hearing "please advise" on the radio raises my blood pressure. And sometimes when hearing it on a CTAF you may not catch the name of the field thus creating even more confusion.
I hear ya. When I was a student I got the same call from an incoming flight while I was doing solo pattern work at an uncontrolled field. I had to answer back to let him know that two Cessnas were at the field being piloted by student pilots doing pattern, TO and landings solo work. He was VERY thankful for the info.
There’s nothing wrong with informal radio communication at Pilot controlled airports to make sure everyone is safe.
While I agree this should go away as a first radio call when switching to the frequency, it’s a good idea to after making your initial 10 mile out cal, as you get closer to the field without hearing anyone, key up your mic and give a more informal “Anyone in the pattern at Williston?”
Too many times someone isn’t making calls because they think they are the only one in the pattern. Usually, those type of pilots don’t have ADSB.
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27 for 27. “Clear of the active” its like petting a cat backwards. Be brief but also specific. 😊
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New pilot here (just passed 100 hrs). Is this about specifying which airport/traffic I'm talking to, and my tail # (which I'd think should always be done)? And/or about not specifying which runway we're clear of?
For the latter (runway ID) question, does it matter/change at single runway airports? Meaning: If I could have only landed 18 or 36, at the sole runway, specifying 18 or 36 wouldn't hurt... but does make the radio call slightly more wordy and seems redundant (i.e. provides no additional useful info.). I'm thinking it's probably just a good habit to be in (for when truly needed/landing at airports with multiple runways), like always using carb heat for landings (so not forgotten when truly needed). But, I'm curious if I understood the "clear of active" comment right, and to hear some experienced pilots reply on this.
27/27. One of my "favorites" at a non-controlled field is "XXX traffic, Archer A123 is taking the active". No mention of a runway number! Also, where are you taking it? I'm going to need it after you! Please use the runway number in all communications. If you must say "active", add the runway number so we all know which one you are using.
I was told by my CFI that all runways are active. So what does "Active" really mean?
@@tommorgan5287 Any runway that is being used would be classed as "active". The critical thing is to make sure we are all using the same runway (i.e. same direction ). Calling out the runway number helps ensure we are all on the same page.
27 for 27! I've never done the "Any traffic in the area, please advise," or used the phrase, "With you." Ugh! Once you give your type and tail number to ATC, they already _know_ that you're "with them." Thank you, Jason @MzeroA Flight Training!
“With you” raises my blood pressure.
One of the things we MUST take away from this...The FAA thru "advisory Circulars" is trying to address the excessive radio usage...I see patterns that follow areas and is localized by poor instruction and others picking up the bad habits of others.
Our town hosts a World renowned Rodeo complete with TV coverage so during that week we had specific departure vectors which had skipped my Dads mind so... shortly after Takeoff as he was getting through his checklists The tower called and asked what vector we were on and my Dad replied "HOLY COW", they responded with a giggly what did you say????? He replied well I said Holy Cow but what I meant to say was requesting 300 heading to intercept the 270 departure vector. I teased him about that for quite some time. I sure miss him!
My CFI for what ever reason never monitored guard. On a late night XC I decided we would monitor it just in case. I joked that I don’t do it for awareness or safety but rather to catch cats. He looked at me incredibly confused and then perfectly on cue someone meowed. It was hilarious and from that point forward he taught everyone to always monitor guard. His motives might be all wrong but I like to think it taught him a good habit.
27 for 27 this has gone by fast.
As a suggestion instead of asking traffic in the area, just start listening to CTAF a few miles sooner, gives a better site picture and allows you to be prepared for where you make pattern entry.
Thanks Jason
THANK YOU JASON, YOU INSPIRED ME TO BE A PILOT
27 for 27! Early on in training I realized I was saying “for” a lot. It could easily be confused with “four”. I always try to be clear and to the point no matter the circumstance, as every pilot should be.
27/27! This has been fun and informative. Thanks.
At GYR not too long ago, I was in the pattern and tower cleared me to land 21, “Cessna 9313H, cleared to land RW21 number two behind Cirrus on 3 mile final, report traffic in sight.” I saw him and keyed the mic, “9313H has the powered parachute in sight.” Got a chuckle over the radio back from the tower and the instructor in the Cirrus keyed up and said “Hey!”
“With you.”
I knew this was what this video was going to be about as soon as I saw the title! I don't hear this much anymore here in Ohio, but I hear it ALL the time in Florida when I fly down there!
27/27, luckily training our instructor talked to us about this same topic. Great content as always Jason! Thank you!
27 for 27, thanks Jason! Can’t believe we’re nearing the end of this helpful series. Sure appreciate all the effort you and your team put in to making these videos.
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I hear The Evil Phrase all the time. I ignore it, monitor the radio and make my calls as usual. I often hear people declare "no conflict". It may be for *you*, but I remain in head on a swivel eyes peeled mode until I'm clear of the runway. As if my life depended on it. Oh, right. It does.
Last call! Turning Left Final!
27 of 27 Sir 👌😇👍OUTSTANDING WORK Sir Cheers 👍👍😇😇👌👌🍻🍻
"Last call"
I started saying "clear of the active" at non-towered. I guess it would only makes sense if you have the memory of a goldfish...otherwise I'm just going to go back to the Runway number
27 for 27 : another great video…radio discipline and clarity is vital at our uncontrolled field
There’s UA-cam videos of the meow
A favorite of mine is when people say “remain clear of class bravo airspace” you should use the word outside bravo airspace
27/27. GREAT EPISODE!
27 for 27! Just soloed on Thursday :)
27 for 27 here. I’ve heard of the meows on 121.5 but have yet to hear one. I’ve also yet to hear any strange radio calls. I have heard some no locals trying to argue with tower about what they want to do, vs what’s supposed to be done because they didn’t look at the special arrival procedures at KBFI.
27 for 27, catching up. I am guilty of using for and to, like climbing to some altitude when on flight following. Need to train myself to not say that since it could be interpreted as numbers four and two.
27 for 27 thanks Jason.
27 of 27. I’ve hear all of those except the “meowing” on guard. I think the most interesting one I have heard thus far was coming in to land at my base airport and overhead someone say hashtag _____ (cant remember the exact phrase) and tower end their call with another hashtag, definitely an interesting experience. Thanks for another great video Jason!
27 for 27, I am on a private airport and we don't have a CTAF so we use the pilot to pilot frequency. You can hear anything on this frequency but at least you can give your positions. Of course there are several aircraft here that have no electrical system so your head has to be on a swivel.
Mr Sheppert thanks for all you do for GA! These videos are not easy and lots of work goes into them! The one thing my CFI told me is never ask “which runway is in use?” This should already be in your set up. Wind direction etc. Be well and wings level sir!
I beg to disagree. There's V-shaped airports where multiple runways (with opposing pattern directions) could be in use, my home airfield has a designated calm wind direction but "calm" has different limits for different people. Said airport also has no ASOS or AWOS to even get an objective wind speed and direction number from.
When winds are calm, pilots might just pick what they like, it’s always better to verify what runway. Doesn’t hurt anyone
Non-Towered field and someone says "Taking the Active"
27/27. I am a 32 year retired LEO. I sometimes goof up the phonics alphabet. A = ADAM now alpha. B = boy now bravo. Sometimes I slip back to the old ways.
Hi Jason,
I’m a newly minted private pilot and really appreciate and have utilized a ton of your content throughout my training. I fully admit I am guilty of the “anyone in the pattern” call, although I have been trying to cut this out lately because i know it’s not recommended. My home airport is a busy class D airport and I think the uncontrolled nature of a non-towered field compared with the orderly sequencing of a control tower (which I love) just feels unnatural to me sometimes. Any advice on getting over this? I just worry about the folks that aren’t making all their calls in the pattern. Thanks.
27/4/27 N177VC, You pretty much covered it!
27/27 Thanks again Jason !
27 for 27. This is noe part of my morning routine Thank for the videos.
27 for 27 done. 👍 I was RTB with my instructor and as he makes the report-in call to the tower he, the controller, and another plane in the area had short football game score discussion. The 20-second friendly bragging talk was kind of funny but I was saying to myself "is this the place and time for having such conversation?" Personally I would avoid that, especially when all conversations with tower are recorded. I will say this though, it can be challenging to communicate the information needed to be shared while trying to be as very brief, clear and concise on the delivery.
I entered an untowered airport with a steady casual conversation between two pilots on CTAF. I learned what they had for breakfast, what they were going to do after their flights, how the weather was 100 miles to the east, followed by a mild debate between whether Pipers were better than Cessnas. All while still making pattern calls. It was surreal. And it wasn't a stuck mic. They were different callsigns and you could hear the clicks between transmissions.
27 for 27 and I can honestly say that I have never heard that. You can bet I will be listening for it in the future thanks for the video
Was doing a bounce flight in a P-3 and meant to key ICS to say “hell yeah!” To my student and definitely yelled it to approach. Just acted like it didn’t happen
27/27 I think the message of todays lesson in more so for us all to try to be more courteous to eachother especially at pilot controlled airports. I have had jets key up at my home base and say citation on short final (you) go around because jet fuel is more expensive. What an inconsiderate thing to say as your first call to traffic right? Thanks Jason
Heard one of these on Day 11 of the 31 day challenge “Departing the pattern to the North, Last call”
27-4-27! No “Any traffic in the pattern?” , calls… got it!😁
27 for 27 - still trying to break "looking for traffic"
27 for 27! Roger That ! Thanks Jason !
27 for 27 I promise never to make that Radio call!!! Thank you Jason
27 for 27. I'm on board with you Jason! If you're 10 or even 5 minutes out just listen and you'll get situational awareness of the local traffic. What's the origin of the "meow" thing? Sadly, I've heard it a few times. I find uncontrolled airports bring out the best and worst in GA.
I believe it came from the movie Super Troopers: ua-cam.com/video/1rlSjdnAKY4/v-deo.html
27 FM 27… agree stick to radio protocols please
With "any traffic in the area please advise" what are some opinions about if your going to a not very busy airport, you have no one on ads-b. U haven't heard anyone and u say it. I'm always afraid that someone who isn't very wise is in the pattern isn't going to make any calls because they think no one is around. What are your opinions??
Looking for traffic , with you , in the box 😂
Don't say "going down", but "descending"... That phrase somehow freakout a controller once.
27 for 27! "Please advise"........NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!!!!!
27-4-27🎉🎉 catching up the missing ones.
27 of 27 is with you... ;)
27 for 27. One thing that's OK to say and I sometimes do on final is "wind check please" to verify wind direction/velocity (since it can change from the last METAR reported). Also don't forget the windsock is your friend.
I've heard " _ _ _ _ in the box" after a squawk code given. It never made sense to me, saying "Squawk _ _ _ _" or just saying the numbers back has always been faster and more professional.
27 for 27…..radio etiquette is a MUST for clarity and conciseness!
Went flying for a nice cross country flight with 2 other friends with their planes. We all made radio calls and we all had ads b. No issues here. What a blast . The more the merrier 🎉. 27/27 yr. 2
Jason. Please advise
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Great video again!
27 for 27. I will takce your advice and not ask for "advise." Thanks for sharing!!!
See-yuh!
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27 for 27. Most of my flying is to and from ATC controlled airports but I have heard "any traffic in the pattern, please advise" when flying to pilot controlled airports. I never answer.
I think when flying into remote airports that are pilot controlled with a Unicom asking if anyone is in the area is not a bad idea particularly when you’re holding short to takeoff or turning final to I completely agree if you’re going into a busy airport with a lot of training or what have you there’s multiple people in the pattern it’s not appropriate.
I fly out of a pilot controlled airport, no Unicom, and have heard it used a couple of times. Two scenarios, the last radio call you heard was someone in the circuit, they should be on the ground by now but have made no further radio calls. You can see an aircraft near the airport and they haven't declared which runway they intend on using. My local has 8 separate runway headings so knowing what they are doing reduces potential conflict of airspace.
If the pilots in the circuit are making good radio calls then there should be no reason to use it.
@@catherinekilgour2563 the operative in your comment is the word should. Should is something that should never be used in Aviation. Uncertainty is not an asset.
Twenty seven for twenty seven. Have absolutely heard this. More likely hearing someone asking what runway is being used.
At my local pilot controlled airport “Inbound over the construction zone”. Unless you are a local other pilots have no clue what you are talking about or where you are.
27/27. Student here. Great to know.
27 fir 27. :Heard the meow on guard a couple of months ago. Also pilot using the CTAF for personal communication, "Hey Joe, is that you - how you doing"?
I don’t if there’s a particular phrase but how about stuck mics or as a CFI here in the city that I live in likes to call them hot mics
I’ve heard people try to have full conversations over the CTAF when I am giving instruction in the pattern.
27 of 27. I’ve definitely heard that at pilot controlled airports, lol.
27 for 27 ...as a controller when I called traffic and needed the pilot to see the traffic the phrase "got em on the fish finder" was absolutely useless to me. Negative Contact would be the appropriate response until the pilots eyeballs saw the traffic out the window. Then, "Traffic in sight" is what I wanted to hear.
Would you rather hear the phrase “looking for traffic,” or “negative contact? Or does it really matter?
@@mhilderbrand7693 "negative contact" is preferred. The controller knows your looking. At least any pilot that values their safety will be looking.
27 for 27! I often hear "Cessna xxxxx 10 miles out." Which direction please?
Non-towered airport stuff. Left final. Clearing the active runway. Taking the active runway. Lining up and wait. Final is final, might be 1 mile final, might be short final, might be something in between, but there’s no such thing as a right final or a left final. Uncontrolled airports do not have an active runway. State runway identifier. At a non-towered airport there is only one reason to go past the runway entry line and that is to takeoff. Sitting on the runway is the best way to get run over.
27 of 27. 😕 Pilots not using radios at all..... I heard the first example the other day. They were ignored completely. I smiled at the silence. Then the instructors and students continued doing what is expected and correct. Cannot stand, in the box, and with you...duh you're with them hence you are talking to ATC.... I'll take bad calls like this over the cowboys that refuse to use the radio at all. Remember, there is IFR traffic out there cowboys....they aren't always watching for you.
Pilots calling approach fixes (i.e. “crossing point VWXYZ on the RNAV 36”) rather the “5 mile final Rwy 36” call. Student VFR pilots have no idea where that point is. Communicate so everyone can understand and enhance SA.
He already hit my biggest pet peeves, but I'll add: [ATC says something] followed by "We'll [everything ATC just said, verbatim.]" Repeat back the stuff they need you to repeat back and the stuff you're not sure you understood correctly, nothing more. It makes it easier for everybody, including yourself.
A month or so ago I had to call an approach controller four times before I got through, primarily due to all of the people repeating back things like "resume own navigation, altitude your discretion" or "squawk VFR, frequency change approved." None of that stuff needs to be repeated. Key up, say your tail number so they know you heard, and you're done. Easy!
Left/right final
27 for 27. I totally get your point, but I’m cracking up at some of these comments. 😂
👍 I hate unimportant radio yapping. I call it Air Pollution. And people that take a loooooooooooooooooooong time to call their pattern moves. Make it quick and concise.
I get it, annoying when non standard things are said, but at least when
They all key mics, we all know there is traffic.
My pet peeve is the personal conversations on freq, about when they’re getting together, or have u seen Ralph lately. I mean come on! Us e the phone for that!
I’ve heard it’s bad when checking in to say “…3500 for 5000”, doesn’t bother me much but controllers may not like it.
27/27. I cringed every time I heard "traffic in the area, please advise." Some pilots don't even say where they are. How many airports in the area are on the same CTAF frequency?
I remember this from last year. It made an impression. I hear the fishfinder comment all the time. It makes me cringe every time. I hear it. 27 for 27.
27 for 27. I've heard "meow" on guard, all over the US. I've heard "guuuaaaarrrrrddddd," after someone uses guard in the appropriate manner. "Tally ho" came from WWII and meant bandit (enemy) in sight. The believe the US Navy carried that forward for many years after WWII.
My personal peeve, and I've only heard it at work, "tower Reach 123 holding short of the runway, need a couple minutes for checklist." Nope. "tower Reach 123 holding short of runway 06 will call you when ready."
I always cringe hearing someone say "with you" on their initial call. I mean, of course you are.
"Coming in hot" I've heard...I think it means "I'm flying in fast?!"
27 for 27 enjoying my morning coffee.
27 for 27!! Great reminder! I always refuse to respond to everyone please advise.
Here is one I’m guilty of and trying to quit. When I read back ATC instructions I’ll end with “for 23 Mike Zulu”, which obviously is the same as “423MZ”, which isn’t me and can cause confusion.