Luke’s Jedi Academy: The Biggest Hole In The Star Wars Timeline
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- The New Republic era of Star Wars is already missing a lot, but the Sequel Trilogy's biggest narrative holes lie in the fact that we know next to nothing about what happened at Luke's Academy.
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Hello! I’ve been wanting to make a video about this topic for literal years, and I’m so excited for you all to see it. Thank you so much for watching!!
Hey a little Critique there but please if u can explain in ur opinion how something works instead of saying it's done in a smart/ Beautiful view cuz it feel like to me that u kind of hand waying does topics away
@@StarWarsCentralized same bro ive wanted a new republic animated series for years
Light speed skimming, hyper space ramming, Palpatine having the Exegol fleet prior to return of the Jedi but still wants to burn credits on a 2nd death star... All of Project necromancer...
Your thoughts on these things would be a great help
The entire scenario with Luke igniting his saber with the fleeting impulse/thought of murdering the child of his sister and best friend is blasphemy on the face of it. Nothing will make that scenario make sense.
We need a bridge between prime Luke and "failed teacher"
The clone wars, the republic dark horse comics AND THE TOYS!! The sequels received nothing we don’t even have the whole cast in 3.75 to this day
Who are we still missing in the 3.75” range?
Republic comics are just action
Action
No one bought the sequel toys.
Nobody liked the movies, nobody bought the toys. Hasbro stopped making new figures from the sequels. It’s simple.
@@ChosenOne-il4bm and it was enough for Lucas though, it was enough for him to like certain main character at point of adding them into episode 2 and 3.
It really feels like Disney abandoned the sequels. Even when the prequels where hated upon release, we still had an entire multimedia project connecting episode 2 to 3, meanwhile there is almost no media connecting or expanding upon the sequels. The sequels need their ‘clone wars’ to flesh out and expand the movies, if they don’t an entire generation of new fans growing up with the sequels will forget about them and move on.
There was a TOOOON of sequel related media during their release years! But after? Not so much…
@@StarWarsCentralized which is a bit of a shame, since I feel the Sequel characters have such untapped potential
You have my thoughts.
I think an animated series like The Clone Wars would add not only more context, but liven the era more. Having it focused on Luke's Jedi Academy would be amazing to see. I believe they could have Luke's exile follow a similar path as Ahsoka's in the first 5 seasons of the Clone Wars, perhaps even ending with Luke leaving solemnly as she reaches out to him like Anakin did.
Though I would also love if this hypothetical series focused on Rey, Finn and Poe before Episode 7. The Force Awakens' grounded aesthetic could be leaned into, and how the conditions of their upbringing made them who they are.
I'd also like to see more of Kylo's time with the Knights of Ren, and their connection to Palpatine.
I also would like to see some books for each film's anniversary like they have done for Episodes 1 and 2 in recent years.
That would be awesome!
Isn’t Rey literally just a scavenger on Jakku? Shit would be boring as hell. Thats like making a show about Lukes life with Owen and Beru lmao
@@XDivineSouljax True then again you could have it be more a survival story or more interested have Rey explored the different towns and settlements on Jakku which were hint at in the book Rey Survival Guide like there is a monk mediating on a town there is also mentions of people worshipping luke skywalker as a myth and a legend akin to Mad Max was in his movies.
Granted yes Jakku is technically Sequel trilogy version of well Tatooine and that I prefer the original concept art for Jakku like being a water/junk planet I do like how the Aftermath Trilogy and Rey survival guide hint somesort of mysterioies on the planet I always like that enviroment storytelling it reminded me of Old Call of Duty zombies before the multiverse stuff.
I honestly don't see there being enough of a unified story among all the characters to make this work. Although a "Tales of the Jedi/Empire" style anthology could work really well! But a series would be too all over the place, esp if the characters can never meet. What they SHOULD have done is make The Resistance show about...well, the Resistance, and its' main group, instead of just calling the show that, but then following a group who was as far removed from the action as possible.
The real problem with that show was that they didn't know where the story was going, so they couldn't have the show do anything meaningful to avoid stepping on the trilogy's toes; since there WAS no planned story, the only reasonable thing to do would have been to delay the series till after the movies were done, then retroactively tell stories of Rey, Finn and Poe's adventures after Ep 8 (esp how Rey fixed the Skywalker saber), while fleshing out Snoke and the Knights of Ren...but that ship has sailed, I guess.
@@HandofOmega they could jumb in time first about luke story and those three b4 the movie than story between 8-9 and so
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Great video! Regarding the gap you have mentioned: I am not a fan of so many things happening off screen, but the passing of time in real world made it almost inevitable. The actors just aged. The other option was very little happening between VI and VII, and I am not sure if we would have liked that more.
Great points!!
I think having Luke’s Jedi Academy fully established at the start of the trilogy would have been perfectly fine. Some of the new main characters could’ve been his next generation of Jedi Knights, with Rey and Ben being his most promising students.
Just gotta say man, it's so refreshing to watch a Star Wars video from a true fan without blindly hating or loving any particular part of the franchise just for engagement on the internet. I dig the vibe of this channel and the way that you can tell your points are coming from a true place of love and best interest for the franchise. Keep it up bro
Thank you so much!!!
I wish there was a big series about the New Republic era that connected Sequels with originals
Me too!!!
@@StarWarsCentralized it could be like the Clone Wars series for prequels
Id been imagining such a series and different core scenes and episodes for a long time lol
Oh yeah id been imagining it to be animated as well
@@donutstudios6353 I would've preferred it to be live action. I think that Finn Wolfhard would be perfect option for young Ben Solo role
Its honestly crazy because you would think a YA-esque story set in Luke's academy would be like PEAK content for a Disney+ series
So, episode 7 should be simply Luke's Academy and the discovery of Snoke, then episode 8 would be the rise of the First Order and Luke's banishment and episode 9: the final battle and destruction of the emperor. Disney has overcomplicated things, and now they need to get out of this mess.
That’s what my ideal sequels would’ve been
Agreed, the idea behind the sequels was fine but it had a lot of execution problems.
In a way it's the same problems the prequels had, it's just that the prequels didn't come out during the time of Twitter, Reddit, and fandoms acting like they own everything.
The prequels and the OT feel like one big story. The prequels tell us about the failures of the last generation and then we go to the OT where the new generation triumphantly avenges the previous with the help of the little past left
The sequels feel very disconnected from the OT. It should have been about how the current generation continues their and their ancestors legacy and avoids making the same mistakes that led to the fall of the republic
I agree with you in some broad ways. Unfortunately that’s not the story that we got, though, and I’m okay with that at this point. But I do know there were 30 years of peace and prosperity that the OT heroes fought for that we don’t see, and I would like to see it.
@@StarWarsCentralized same bro
@@StarWarsCentralized i personally don’t like the sequels they are enjoyable watches but once you start to think about it a little it falls apart
TLJ is def better than TFA and TRoS but it still has glaring flaws
But everyone has their own opinions and the sequels have a lot going for them as well
I really love the sequels but I definitely think they have flaws
I dont agree it dont feel connected from OT and PT which some part and dialogue states the facts we have learned from both trilogy before this. Anakin brought balance to the Force and many years there was balance this is confirmed by Luke itself in TLJ. Luke knows about Darth Sidious is Palpatine Sith name. Yoda reminds to Luke to teach Rey what he have learned about Vader case so he can help Rey to bringing Ben back to light. If not, Yoda should be said Rey is reckless and naive believe Ben could be turned. But it doesn't because Yoda also believe Rey's instinct is right base on Anakin's case. I agree there is flaw, lack and we also seen that in OT and Prequel too.
I hope The Mandalorian, Ahsoka and another tv show or film maybe, can tells the story from Bloodline book and The Rise Of Kylo Ren comic so we can see the whole context more details and understanding how everything in TFA event begins. More importantly we need to see who Ben Solo before fall to dark side. He's not like Anakin but he has anger and conflict like his grandfather. But he also different, he's not seek the dark power just because to save the one he cared about just like Anakin.
They should have picked between either having the NJO destroyed or the NR destroyed and focus on the consequences of one. Now the period immediately of Sequels have to redo everything that should have been done post ep.6, limiting the potential stories that could be told in either era.
I’ve been thinking about how to make a both Rey and Luke’s Jedi order shows without them stepping on each others toes. I’ve come to the conclusion that the story of the Jedi order should be split amongst the two.
The gathering of the knowledge (sacred texts, holocrons), the early formation of the order, the pressures of running a school and the difficulties of teaching a troubled kid should be left to Luke’s school.
Rey’s school can focus on the students themselves, the Jedi Hogwarts that people have been asking for. This could very much focus on the students and their journeys to becoming Jedi.
Rey, Finn and Poe should also have an animated series that takes place immediately post TROS.
Loved you're ideas, In fact it would be cool if the Luke's show adapted the scene from the comics where he discovers Jocasta Nu's library for some reason that scene reminded when Ezio discover Altair's Library from Assassin Creed: Revelations In fact I would love to see Lorne Balfe doing the soundtrack for the Luke series because I really love the track ''Assassin Creed theme.'' Track 01 from Revelations I would love to see similar when Luke discovers old Jedi ruins and Jocasta Nuu's secret library.
I do wonder what time setting would you start and end for each shows for an example Andor Season 1 takes place 5 BBY while Season 2 will takes place 4-1 BBY. I'm just curious?
Jedi Hogwarts sounds cursed
i dont think rey order will be full on jedi order maybe just two student like in the leak at best
@@ryochan9438 yeah, because her being Jedi Grandmaster just seems…unbelievable
NJO is top tier
As they seem to fear making more stories around the sequel-era characters I just wished the High Republic was post TROS as that initiative has been more of the focus.
Would have done them favors, but it still would not gain traction compared to what came before.
110% with this. I understand people love TCW and the bad batch, but when rumors began spreading about a new animated show, this is what I thought of. I love the clones, the prequels, and all the stories surrounding it. But THIS is the story we need right now. The only alternative I would take is a slightly older audience oriented High Republic show. Love the Young Jedi Adventures though.
As you mentioned the show growing with the audience I immediately thought of Rebels. Yeah TCW does the same thing, I think Rebels is an even better example of that idea. Great video!! Can’t wait to see more
Man I would love if they focused on giving us another animated show based on this era made on Clone Wars style.
I yearn for a Clone Wars/Rebels-style animated series about Luke’s Jedi Academy but I’m also incredibly curious to see how the rise of Thrawn will play into the New Republic at large
now that would be amazing!
Even if they did a show focusing on this time period, I think it’s fair to assume they wouldn’t keep in line with book continuity anyway
facts
As long as Filoni’s not running the show lol
We currently don't know what the next animated series is after The Bad Batch, and I have fingers crossed that we get Jedi Academy!
There could have been so much potential and fun in showing Luke's NJO...Even if it was just a special class of his students, imagine a small but elite group of young Jedi, perhaps each having different talents in the Force or unique sabers, learning with Luke...Star Wars, by way of X-Men/Harry Potter? The toy sales alone would have been worth it, and the spin off books would be fun to collect! They could have done something similar with the Knights of Ren...
I have come as quick as I could. I must inform everyone that this video, is yet another absolute banger!! Fantastic job once again
Thank you once again!!!
i’d like to see the bloodline story in live action. it’d be really interesting to see the new Republic finding out that Darth Vader was Anakin.
This is a fantastic video. I’ve been saying the same thing for a long time. Please Lucasfilm, give us an animated series of Luke’s Jedi order!
a jedi ademy animated series?? that is an awesome idea!!💖💖
now i want to read more books
i'm on the second of alphabet squadron right now
Never hated the prequels I just thought that the shininess of them compared to the original trilogy turned me off at first! All the tech was so much better in the prequels and it never sat right with me because the OG were made before all the cool shit you can do on computers I get it but, like you said with a little bit of reading the books it put the fact that the rebel alliance was working with the leftovers of the war and whatever they could find and rebuild to fight the empire in the og which explains why everything looks so old in the originals as opposed to the prequels…
I think a large part as to why we haven't had much content around this era could be the fan backlash to the sequel trilogy. I hope that isn't the case because I'd love to see the whole story of Ben solo's fall
It is, Disney Lucasfilm is too much of a pʯ$$¥ to get the story done regardless of fan backlash
This would be a fantastic animated series. Could use mark hamil's voice too.
I hate the sequels. Nothing is going to change that. I do appreciate this video and I agree. The main problem is that there is no connective tissue between what the OT characters were like at the end of ROTJ and how they’re characterized in the sequels. I think more context or and explanation of these changes could help *some* but there is a two headed problem. We don’t know how these characters actually got to this point, and the point they arrived at.. is awful. So more context could help. But no amount of flashbacks will make me like or enjoy who luke became.
I agree. You also can't change the fact that Luke was missing from TFA and that we didn't get a single scene that reunited Luke Leia and Han. Then add in the fact that they were all failures and that neither Luke nor Leia were there to witness Han's final moments but Rey was.
I was just saying the other day how we desperately need a TV or movie series about Luke and Ben leading up to his fall to the Dark Side while Mark Hamill and Adam Driver are still young enough. It's such a glaring hole in the onscreen timeline.
Putting my 2015-2019 hat back on and speaking from the meta context, The Force Awakens by virtue of having to reintroduce the fandom to the Star Wars universe had to put Luke in the backseat of the narrative so as not to take the spotlight away from the new generation, which resulted in the air of mystery that comes from the 30 year timeskip and the cliffhanger ending which ultimately gave The Last Jedi little wiggle room. Rian Johnson chose to have The Last Jedi tell a very character-centric story leaving things very much open-ended for the next movie to pick up. Interestingly, The Rise of Skywalker makes up for The Last Jedi's lack of worldbuilding in ways we are seeing current Star Wars media like The Mandalorian and The Bad Batch benefit from very much like how the end of Attack of the Clones and the beginning of Revenge of the Sith paved the way for The Clone Wars.
I think you have articulated perfectly the problem that people have been trying to put their finger on, I don't think it's so much that The Last Jedi was 'subversive for the sake of being subversive' or that The Rise of Skywalker was 'course-correcting', it's the fact that people had to make this leap in order to fully appreciate the narrative being told. I personally can see what The Last Jedi has to say about hero worship and how The Rise of Skywalker answers that by having the average joe coming together to defeat the devil in the shadow rather than leaving it to the 'good guy vs bad guy' conflict, but having the context from the demilitarisation of the New Republic alongside with the rise and fall of Luke's Jedi Order does go a long way in helping people make that leap from a lore perspective which would better prime people into the underlying narrative told across the Sequel Trilogy.
Very insightful comment thank you!
14:38 And soon we will have more content post return of the Jedi !!!
I can´t agree more, and if I could add a little more to the wishlist, if it´s 2D with Genndy Tartakovsky onboard, with the main conflict being a canon version of the Yuuzhan Vong war (it could be the Grysk), the reintroduction of some EU old characters like Mara Jade, Nom Anor or Borsk Fey Lya, and with moments like the last adventure of Luke, Han and Leia, a duel of Luke and Kylo Ren after the end of the rise of Kylo Ren, and ending with Luke arriving to Ach-To, it would be just a perfect project for me.
I´m with you on many of those points, I like the sequels and the new Disney+ shows, I haven´t disliked any of them, but with some particular exceptions, I haven´t felt the same excitement for Star Wars since the old EU, being TNJO and the Darth Plagueis nobel unsurpassed to the date for me.
Come on Disney, I want to see Coruscant in ruins after a giant attak like the one on "Star By Star", Coruscant it´s not in the sequels, they can destroy it without damaging the canon!!.
I just clicked randomly because I was bored and I had time to kill, and I ended up spending 36 minutes of my life paying attention to every single word you said.
Genuinely a very good video, you changed my point of view on many aspects of the sequels, thanks man.
Thank you so much!! 😭😭😭
I’ve heard that Lucasfilm animation is hiring which indicates they are going to keep making stuff now that the Bad Batch has wrapped. Hopefully they’ll work on something like what you are suggesting.
Didn’t we have 2-3 games about Luke’s Jedi academy with Kyle Katarn? Legends is my canon . 🤷🏽♂️
Legends rocks man, those games are amazing
I respect this soooooo much. I too am a fan of rhe EU and the new Canon, and I see amazing points and major failures in both. Instant subscribe
Just thinking how interesting a small cast of young Jedi would have been, gradually being defeated by the First Order and Kylo Ren. Somewhere between the thousands of Jedi in the Prequels and the handful post 66. If anything it would have been ripe for spin offs and tie ins. I think in my mind there must have been other students who survived or left before completing their training as with Grogu.
Also a big missing piece is Rey's father. Was hoping he would be one of the children in that lab at the end of the bad batch, and them getting him out to live a mostly normal life would have been the finale.
Animated series is certainly the way to go, bring in Ezra and Ashoka if it will make Filoni happy, although I imagine them as wandering nomad Jedi if they survive to that point, neither of them seem to have much interest in rebuilding the Jedi order.
I think perhaps some non jedi characters would be good too, the same way we had Rex in the Clone Wars. Honestly Lando was underserved by the Sequels and deserves more. I remember imagining him as becoming a semi legit senator type, instead he pops up in a van. Could also lay the ground work for many other aspects of the sequels, the civilian fleet, the Sith loyalists outside of the first order, the state of Coruscant, definitely the Knights of Ren, etc.
Wow, another more than well done video 🤩
You really helped me (someone who also has a heart for the sequels, especially for The Last Jedi my favourite Star Wars Movie ever) to better understand some critics aboute those movies because I always thought it is unfair to dislike them for not answering Questions like "Who is Snoke?" and "Where does the First Order come from?" since no one asked the same questions about the empire, the rebels, the trade federation, the republik or about charakters like Tarkin, Boba, the Emperor, Maul or Grievous.
I personally would love to see more from Ben Solo especially since he always was the more interesting version of Anakin for me. Before Tales of the Empire was released I really hoped that Tales of the Jedi season 2 would cover him in three episodes. Furthermore I saw a video from the channel Tale Foundry which covered redemption storys. In this video he explains the potential a story could have had in which Ben instead of Rey survives and he has to make up for his past, has to prove that he has changed and has to live up to Reys sacrifice. This could also have been a story I would have loved to see.
This is an excellent video, I love your bridging of all topics of interest. Your viewpoint is a refreshing POV that the fandom should embrace slightly more, myself included.
You’ve said what everyone has been wanting for so long. I think this would give context to Luke’s failure and show a whole lot of missing information. I think we’re far enough from the sequels (and their performance wasn’t the best) thst Disney should fill the gap. It’s no longer a shock value thst we start this far in the future.
If we can get an animated star wars show with the characters from the OG trilogy it would make people love luke agian, the way clone wars made people love anakin
Somewhere, there's a timeline where Lucas started making his Ep 7 *immediately* after RotS, when the original series actors were could still have been believable as passing the torch to a generation of younger heroes, and all shared the screen together; also, as Lucas was clearly getting better with his storytelling with each movie, there's every chance it could have been as superior to RotS as that was to AotC! Best of all, if his ST was that good, then it would win over the fans and there wouldn't have been time and opportunity for the internet Prequel hate to set in and sour Lucas on continuing the series. One day, I hope to see that timeline, and maybe move there for good...
I would LOVE for more stories to fill in the gaps of the timeline. I don't really like the sequel trilogy as a whole (there are things I love tho) but I wanted to and I will take any reason to see it better than I do now. And I hope Lucasfilm explores both that gap and past TRoS
I absolutely agree with what you are saying about the effect of the Clone Wars on the prequels - they create a context that meant that the last time I watched them, I didn't hate the prequels anymore. I still hate JarJar, and I still hate the midichlorians, and I am willing to accept that I will not love everything. And I would love it if they filled in the timeline, giving context to the sequels.
Damn i wish they could do a NJO series or comics, thst would be cool to see. Maybe even adding some of the old EU jedi characters of the NJO in as a reference or something while having freedom to add new characters and everything
I've never liked the sequel era or its characters but I've always thought we could benefit from a companion piece like the clone wars to build on the trilogies failings and give us some world and character building to reinforce the films
commenting for algorithm before i actually watch. screw disney for abandoning the prequel era like cowards
You mean sequel!!!!?!?
I think we definitely need a ANIMATED show exploring Lukes jedi order. The live action shows leave much to be desired, and a animated show following Luke, Ben and a few other characters in the clone wars art style (or better yet a western anime style) would be very effective.
That’s what I talk about in the video!
The upcoming Mandalorian and Grogu and Dave FIloni's New Republic movie could become a more proper smooth continuation of the story of the OT and connect smoothly with the sequels.
Also true!
@@StarWarsCentralized Would be hype to see a 5-6 year old Ben in the new Republic movie and follow that up with a Jedi Academy movie. That Dave Filoni movie could be the beginning of a trilogy mixing elements from Thrwan's trilogy and NJO. Btw. Been loving your content. Your a new fresh voice in the community. Highly needed!
Thank you so much!!! I appreciate and agree about Ben and the new movie!!
I do hope this is the next Animated Series Ive been wanting it for years now I to Like The Sequels though not as much the Originals yes more context can go along way
I would love to see Corran Horn in pre-sequel content, since he was canonized recently in the Kenobi show.
Great video!
Regarding the OT-ST gap vs. the PT-OT gap: I always found it silly that Revenge of the Sith leaves off exactly where A New Hope picks off. I much prefer that in The Force Awakens we learn that important events did happen off-screen, it's more realistic and leaves room for future stories.
Very interesting take! I like that!
Yet it did not pay off as it is nothing more than a one-to-one shot no thanks to the director that ruins Star Trek, J.J. Abrams.
I would love to see an anthology show in the style of the clone wars for the 30 year gap.
The new star wars comics from October on apparently will tell this story
A beautiful video. Agree with every word. I am especially grateful to u for trying to unite those who like and dislike sequels. I think Star Wars has a very divided problem and 1 of the reasons why we don't get that much stories set in the New Republic Era is that Lucasfilm is afraid they won't be popular. But u r absolutely right, it would not only be pleasent for fans such as myself, but could maybe help those who dislike the sequels to warm up to them. Thank u!
Thank you so much!
I really enjoyed this video! since you also talked about the books I was wondering if you could perhaps make a video of your favorite books (canon or legends)? I'm already reading the high republic and some other books mostly clone wars era, but the way you talk about them, I'd like to know your favorites!
I should make that video! Thank you!!!
I think Luke’s new generation of Jedi should have still been around, but there would be few in number. Without Luke to guide them, it would be up to Luke’s senior students to handle the younglings and less experienced students. With that, the New Republic but mostly the Resistance would do their very best to protect and hide the last of Luke’s new Jedi Order from the Knights of Ren and the First Order.
In my headcanon one or two actually did survive
I've had the same thought for a while. It would be cool if the animated Jedi Academy series would act as an inter-trilogy. Three or six seasons, having one or two seasons that take place at the beginning, middle, and end of Ben Solo's Jedi training
Totally yea!!!
I once thought as you do... But I don't think there's any quality of writing at this point that can undo the damage to the legacy of the Jedi as portrayed in Disney's shows and movies. They seem to have an unrelentingly negative view of the Jedi. They seem to want to breakdown our love of the Jedi as the heroes of the saga. That being said, this is a great video and I'm sure it's clear I don't entirely agree with all your views on the sequels. Keep it up.
They do like to paint the Jedi as more negative, but this may be a good contrast to the acolyte in showing us that Luke and allowing emotions / connections is a good way to create the Jedi order vs the showey and exaggerated image of the Jedi during the high republic.
Very good video. Nothing new on your point, we need more stories set in the giants hole of time.
PD: I love how you didnt even mention Star Wars Resistance, that show was super useles for worldbuilding
I mostly stuck to the period before the Ossus academy burnt down, and Resistance picks up at least 5 years after that. I think it’s worldbuilding is actually really good tho
Someone tell Filoni to turn this into an animated series: Star Trek does Starfleet Academy, Star Wars can do Jedi Academy! 😅
Yes please!!!!!!!!
Man I just hope that you don't become like Star Wars Theory one day. I remember bro gave out unbiased content and was all around a positive dude and now bro just does hate videos to get views. You've earnt a sub and I can't wait to see more from you.
I never wanna be like that chud lol
Alright this is the second time you've bought up Last Shot. Make a video on it lol
I should, lol. It fascinates me
Another BANGER, so rare is it to find a UA-cam channel expressing your own opinions so eloquently. I love the production value, and while some may debate quality, no doubt one of the best parts of the new era is we have so much more beautiful B-roll for lore videos 😂
Sometimes it feels lonely being a fan of the EU and Canon, but channels like this give me hope
I really appreciate your kind comment! That’s what my channel is all about- centralizing Star Wars stories in one place. I love the new stuff and the old stuff, the obscure and the prominent. It’s all part of the wonderful galaxy far, far away!
I've seen the sentiment of an animated series for Luke's academy thrown around a lot. I'd prefer it over live-action, myself (honestly I just want people to get over their prioritisation of live-action over animation). I'm into the idea, the only question I really have is that if they bump up to when Ben fully turns, they're gonna have to deal with The Rise of Kylo Ren comic. I'd be fine if they adapted it or anything, but I know how fickle Star Wars fans are over canon so IDK what they'd show or if anything would be changed too drastically. But everything up until then would be cool. One line that confused me that even the Kylo comic doesn't really elaborate on is how in TLJ Luke says half a dozen went with him while the others died? Like, maybe he misinterpreted what the survivors were doing, but it's still odd. Just... I hope they don't relegate it to to just Tales of shorts. This deserves more than just a few shorts.
But yeah, I'm not even opposed to like a series showing the early days of Kylo Ren, like it could be a dark mirror to the Obi-Wan series, where Luke loses faith in his pupil after trying to reach out to him, except he actually goes into exile a failure instead of coming out with renewed purpose. Whether it's a miniseries or the culmination of a larger Jedi Academy series is one thing, but I do think kind of like how Obi-Wan helped with a bit of the connective tissue with certain character motivations, this could maybe ease the thoughts of the people who feel like Luke should have reached out to Ben and been more forgiving instead of giving up right after the vision he saw. Like, it could show that yeah he did try to forgive and reach out to Ben, but Kylo doubles down and Luke is just left with guilt after his efforts fail.
BTW I'm actually surprised you didn't bring up Star Wars Resistance, an actual TV series. Like sure, it IS aimed at a younger audience than say Rebels, but I do think there is some underrated world building there, especially with things like how the First Order was able to get a foothold in certain areas, and some looks at the New Republic at this time. Honestly the only real downside is that it only starts six months before The Force Awakens, with the first season ending during that movie with the destruction of Hosnian Prime, and Season 2 going past The Last Jedi, so it's a very limited time frame. It's not the best show by any means, but there is some stuff worth checking out if you're willing to give it a chance.
I actually really loved Star Wars Resistance! I only specifically mentioned media that takes place before the destruction of the Jedi Academy, though.
Thank you so much for your comment!
Lmao, will a jedi academy series be the redeeming clone wars series but for the sequels?
I hope so
It is a crime that we have no on screen Disney Star Wars film scenes with Jedi Master Luke and Force Ghost Anakin.
That by itself encapsulates many of the issues I have with the sequel trilogy.
As much as I give Rian Johnson credit for trying. He was backed into a corner story wise by JJ. I found Luke's reasoning for exile to not be fleshed out as you mentioned. Rather than showing us we were just told and given a flashback.
I wish the sequel trilogy fleshed this out more and perhaps made Luke more responsible on a galaxy wide level. Perhaps if Ben caused some sort of calamity causing the deaths of millions of lives and the new Republic losing trust in force users might have been a stronger reason for Luke's exhile than him just igniting his light saber over his sleeping nephew because he had a vision. Even seeing darkness in Ben to me isn't enough context. He literally saw evil in Vader and sought to save him anyway and only fought him when he was forced to in the heat of battle. He learned the lessons about seeing past the darkness in the worst of people.
Which then goes back to my original point. If Luke is having conflicting feelings about Ben, where was Anakin in all this? Surely he could have been there to council his son. To me it's a huge misstep by Disney to leave the central character of Star Wars out of the final trilogy.
Those are my two cents. Great video overall 👍 👍
On another note, I can see Disney planning an animated series like you mentioned. It totally would work. Many fans were disappointed we didn't get more adventures with Luke, Han and Leia. The show could give us that. It could also show how they know Snoke, which might mean they've faced off against him before.
It could fans who didn't love the sequels what they were actually hoping to see.
Thanks for the comment! Master Luke talks to the ghost of Anakin in Shadow of the Sith actually- really hope we get something like that in animation someday
Another banger lets gooooooo
Whatever Disney does, they need to capture the younger audience, otherwise Star Wars truly will fade away
Too old.
Too old to begin the training...
@@DragoX7 drake when a girl is 18
First, excellent video. Second, my issue with the sequels stems from my years enjoying the expanded universe. In Legends, Luke improves and rejects the old Jedi Orders methods. He trains regardless of age, allows Jedi to have families, and encourages attachment. Canon portrays a Luke who is repeating the old mistakes like discouraging attachment (telling Grogu he has to let go of Mando) to name just one. Granted He has missteps in Legends too, but it seem cavalier to just bulldoze 30+ years of story for the sake of doing your own thing.
Hey I totally get it- Luke’s Jedi Order in Legends is so special to me. I probably prefer it to canon. I just also find that the Legends NJO was widely established before the prequels, and therefore didn’t have to grapple with the depiction or the Jedi Order in those films that was much more complicated than was alluded to in the originals.
@@StarWarsCentralized that’s true. And what was so cool was that as the prequels (and later Clone Wars) came out, you saw some of that grappling in real time with the later additions to the books. Especially when they brought in Abeloth. We would not have got that arc had the Clone Wars not touched on the Morris Gods.
I absolutely loved that, especially in the Dark Nest Trilogy
As a sequel trilogy fan and a fan of Kylo Ren, I certainly want this. I just think Finn Wolfhard would make for a perfect young Ben. I am dying to see the Luke/Ben relationship explored. The Leia/Han//Ben relationship as well. I want a chance to see what it was before Palpatine really managed to corrupt Ben.
Once again a fantastic video by you as always, I will admit even though Luke's New Jedi Order was short and some would considered it a failure I think outside of the Ben Solo incident he did do a great/good job of rebuilding the Jedi Order from the Ground up it just that the Ben Solo incident is a black stain in this whole mess. But ultimately outside of that I do think Luke did a great/good job of rebuilding the order.
It's crazy to think the only story that focus on Kylo Ren outside of his appearance in Aftermath: Empire End, Last Shot, and Shadows of the Sith is one comic and that one is 4 issues like it should have been 10 or more issues now I don't know if that Charles Soule's idea or the Editors of Marvel who mandated that this series should be short I don't know. Hell it's even more crazy that outside of Rise of Kylo Ren, Last Shot, Bloodline, The Alphabet and Aftermath Trilogies and Mandoverse we literally have nothing on the 29-year gap between Return of the Jedi and Force Awakens compared to the amount of books and comics of the same era in Legends?
Hell what more bizarre that in canon that the conflict in the sequel trilogy is literally called the First Order-Resistance War rather then less generic or boring like say the Resurgence War like at least the Galactic Civil War and the Clone Wars have very cool names especially as perfect historical terms.
We need more stories on Ben Solo as a Jedi along with Hennix, Voe, and Tai especially Tai who I thought was an awesome character especially in the beginning of the comic series where he is the rational of the trio not to say Hennix and Voe aren't good they are definitively great/good characters but I really like Tai more and would love to see more stories with him along with Ben.
One of the things I want for the New canon is a Young Jedi Knights style series in which I'm glad that you brought it up in you're video and I think it would work for both eras mainly the 30-year gap between TRJ and TFA and the High Republic Era, With the latter being mostly about the Firebrands (Stellan, Avar, and Elzar.) youth & Adventures and especially about Ben Solo, Tai, Voe, and Hennix.
You make a great comparison with the prequels, we definitively need a Clone Wars style series like say Luke's searching for Jedi knowledge after Return of the Jedi and maybe each season could cover it's own story like maybe the first few seasons will take place during the time gap of 4-9/10 BBY before he meets Grogu while the next few seasons will be after returning Grogu to Din Djarin. I would love to see some of the legends stories being retold and adapted in this series like the Ossus plotline in Dark Empire 2 where Luke discovers the planet Ossus and meets Ood Bnar that would be the perfect way to introduce fans to the Old Republic series and then allow Lucasfilm to make Old Republic films. Maybe with Lor San Tekka and how did Luke meet him I would love to see (whether it is a canon version or just the same character from Legends) Sedriss Ql being introduced into canon although there are going to be changes like maybe this version is a Acolyte of the Beyond or what?
I do wonder if you were the one in charge of this post return of the Jedi project like what stories should be told in different formats like YA novels, Full novels, and even comics & games. Also who would you pick as Authors or writers for each story and how would you outline them like a plot summary or synopsis so that each future writer or author will added the details when telling the full story like a writer's/story bible of sorts?
I hope you make more vids on the legacy era
Thats a good idea!!
The last jedi was your favorite film? Bad opinion, bold statement. + respect
lol thanks for the respect! I do genuinely love it
@@StarWarsCentralized that was actually a great video, man! Keep up the great work!
great video! i’m interested to hear what you think of luke building his academy with robots but also having them make it look all old and handmade
Seems like a very Kevin J Anderson choice of them. I like the concept
My theory is that the hut in BOBF is built in the ancient Jedi style Luke studied that is present on Ahch-To
I'm honestly surprised by this idea. Maybe because I'm not really a Star Wars fan, just on a deep Star Wars kick over the last few months; until recently I'd only seen the (saga) movies and a bit of Clone Wars, and now I've caught up on most of the Filoniverse. But Revenge of the Sith always bothered me in how it spent the last 15 minutes in a speedrun to set everyone up in place for A New Hope to begin, especially Padme's death by plot convenience, leaving nothing to happen offscreen in the intervening 19 (apparently exceptionally uneventful) years. And when I recently watched The Book of Boba Fett and got to Ahsoka's line about the temple being the safest place in the galaxy for Grogu, I cracked up.
For that matter, I was in my teens when the prequels released, and I've never really been convinced that the flawed movies we got were definitely an improvement over the vague mythos the OT sketched out through Obi-Wan. The prequels are sort of the illustration for me of the dangers of trying to color in every little spot and not leave the audience to imagine what might be in there, that it'll never be quite as cool as what viewers imagine for themselves.
The idea of following Luke's hopes and dreams setting up his new Jedi academy and meeting a bunch of fun new characters while knowing the day they all die is so unappealing on the face of it to me that I've joked about how we're of course never meeting any new Jedi in the New Republic era. I had no idea they already existed in print, but I still can't fathom putting them on screen, let alone in their own series.
There's boundless open space to play in Rey's new Jedi academy and do new stories in the Star Wars galaxy. I'd much rather that, or notionally unconnected stories like Mando, than a story that's told entirely in dramatic irony mode, all "We Like Being Alive".
Just really surprising.
fantastic video, great job 👍
Thank you!!
I hated the sequels. But I learned to adapt. To find joy in what was good. And I was able to learn to find the points behind them. I managed to evolve and love what they did do right. As a lore person I hate them. But as a fan and person... I loved them. The heroes fight evil and win. Space battles. The inner child I had in me like them.
Great video! I think there is much potential to build and create stories set between both trilogies. Would definitely like to see Luke’s Jedi Academy and more of the New Republic in more stories. While it won’t change the sequels, maybe it will have that Clone Wars effect. 😁
The sequels, for me, depends a lot of the canon to complete many stories not explain in the movies itself, like battle of Jakku, it's nice read things for fun, but for be obligate to read to understand the full story it's not good.
Off topic but I dare you to make a video defending any controversial Star Wars books you've read and like.
I’m planning on making a Crystal Star video and talking about why it’s actually good
@@StarWarsCentralized Perfect lol and also this video reminded me of the fact that my friend also wants more on Ben Solo's Jedi days so they wrote a whole-ass fic. this is a way of saying great video as always btw
Thank you so much!!
I vehemently dislike the sequels and I don't think I could ever be convinced to like them as they are, but even I agree that Disney should make an animated series about Luke's Jedi order, if only to see more of Luke in his prime and the fall of Ben (who is basically the only sequel trilogy character that most would agree is interesting and well done.) As a fan, I have to admit that I would like to see the time period as a whole be fleshed out, even if I don't like how it ends up. The unfortunate reality is that it feels like (due to the backlash around the sequels and the aforementioned fact that we as viewers know how this time period is going to end) Disney has sort of abandoned the prospect of doing anything major with the legacy OT characters, and with their seeming desire to focus on continuing the story of Rey and her Jedi order, I don't think that a show like Luke's Jedi order will ever happen.
I read a couple of the "journey to" comics that supposedly tied-in to the films; they had NO connection whatsoever. It's disappointing we've been in the Disney era for so long and there's still gaps in the timeline
Is Poe Dameron Freefall good?
I couldn’t stand the addition of a smuggler backstory for Poe, it felt so lazy, boring, and out of character to me.
It’s put me off reading it even though Poe is a huge fave of mine.
Understandable, While I think the book is good/okay I always the addition of the smuggler backstory for Poe was a stupid idea especially from J. J. Abrams It like he really want Poe more like Han Solo granted you could argue he kinda was in Episode 7 but at least Poe is his own character even if his character isn't the best.
Ultimately I don't blame the Author of Poe Dameron Freefall I blame J. J. more then he was just commissioned to write a book to fix this plot hole!
@@WyattDucar yeah deffo JJ. Poe didn’t have smuggler like wrong side of the tracks too charming for their own good swagger, he had fighter pilot swagger and it worked and fit in the SW triad really well.
If they ever retcon Rise, and I think they should, they should have everything after Kylo grabs the wayfinder/holocron be a vision he gets from it that feeds off his memories/personality.
Palpatine coming back, mask coming back, and return of super lasers and old style star destroyers could be explained by his fanboyism/nostalgia for the empire.
Poe’s smuggler bit could be explained by him conflating Poe and Han as similar people in his mind.
The logic/conveniance/contrivance with the dagger and what not works as dream/vision logic.
Hell even the like “we’re in the same place millions of miles apart and can interact” or “hey Check out the lightsaber I just passed you through force teleportation” make sense as dream logic
Hyperspace skipping could be explained as showing places Ben had been before like presumably Cloud City.
Him sacrificing himself for Rey/becoming Ben again representing his internal conflict bubbling to the surface.
Chewie dying and then it immediately being a fake out would be him realizing he didn’t want to lose the strongest connection he could have with Han.
Idk I talked myself into this idea and I really like it and really really want Rise to not be a thing.
@@DefaultProphet Totally agreed, The main issue with Rise of Skywalker is the whole course correct of everything from the Last Jedi don't give me wrong I understand the whole controversy with The Last Jedi but the way J.J. handled it was very handfisted and on the nose. Like I'm not a fan of Colin Trevorrow especially his Jurassic world movies but there are some good elements from his Duel of the Fate script that I like such as the Uprising on Coruscant though there bad elements to the script as well like Darth Tenebrous no longer the master of Plagueis and replace that with Tor Valum although I do find the character interesting as a concept though.
Like I wouldn't mind if they combined both scripts of Rise and Duel like the good elements into one movie like there some elements to that I do like on Rise such as Kylo searching for wayfinder and the Vader Castle stuff along with Exegol (Loved The Throne room from old original trilogy art and the Sith cultists they should have been the main villains of the trilogy instead of Palpatine.) I thought that planet was awesome albeit I do wish it was Korriban although it does make sense considering if the bad guys were on Korriban then it would be easy for the good guys to find out.
Anyway a while ago, I watch Eckhartslader rewriting of Exogol and the star destroyer ships where instead of them of blue it would be instead should more like Korriban but far more terrifying the creatures, the sith cultists and the ancient Sith Statues make the Planet similar to Hell as Eckhartslader point out like when the heroes enter Hell.
Anyway instead of old style star destroyers make the Sith Eternal fleet more like looked like dark evolutions of Star destroyers (like the corruption from the Sith War Beasts from the Old EU.) that grew into their own way star destroyers that were unimaginably long and slender ships of strange and almost unimaginable design ones that don't necessarily make sense and that together are chaotic and discordant and hard to understand from an ordinary perspective maybe they all black with only a few running lights maybe they've got nothing at all and just look like pieces of rock that have come out of the ground they would look like ships that the sith cultists had pulled from some strange hell dimension.
The book goes out of its way to show that Poe was never fully in that life, and it was more like a teenage rebellion phase as a pilot for a syndicate that he clearly (in TROS) greatly regrets
@@StarWarsCentralized ah okay I should give it a listen then
Be patient. They will make soon. I think Ahsoka tv show is the first step to reach Ben's story from Jedi padawan fall into dark side and became Kylo Ren. Ahsoka is just a side character who expected she will leading the middle season of TCW series. In finale season climax episode Ahsoka is the main character and be center focus to the story. Not Anakin. Season 1-6 TCW is purposes to explaining few questions and plot hole from 3 films except for Darth Plagueis.
I think Ahsoka is has significant and important role in continue of the Mortis Arc from TCW. She is reincarnation of The Daughter. Who will be The Son in this era? Baylan or Ben Solo? Did you know original script SW episode 9 is Rey and Kylo Ren will have final battle in Planet Mortis? But that original script has their own flaw and plot hole too. The good thing is Finn and Rose will gets more screen time with their own mission. How old Jedi Temple have a device to sending signal to Outer Rim and Core World and Plagueis master still alive, but no explain why Ben and Rey can see each other through the mind, that is big problem from the original script call Duel Of The Fates. The Rise Of Skywalker still keeping from original idea like Sith Holocron, absorb lifeforce energy and appearance the Resistance allies from across galaxy and Lando return.
Back to Ahsoka, I think Ahsoka and Sabine stuck in Peridea for unknown period there is reason and something waiting for them. Also there is Baylan and Shin too. Leia also already mentioned in episode 7 so we'll might see her in season 2. I hope Carrie Fisher's daughter will be cast for Leia. I think Ben is The Son for this generation. Anakin maybe has replace The Father's place. If this true he knew his grandson destiny and potential he have. Snoke claim Ben as son of darkness. I love that lines from Snoke.
Story telling wise. There's no problem with them jumping forward 20-30 years to the next generation. The problem was undoing every accomplishment of the OT and resetting the characters to where they were in the OT trilogy, only older and sadder. Han, Luke, and Leia all are stuck in the same jobs they had in their 20s. Leia's been demoted General but still a rebel leader. Han is a loner/smuggler again, all his character growth undone. Luke is the last of the Jedi...again. The Jedi Order was wiped out...again.
But now, they're also failures at fresh things. Han and Leia have a failed relationship and are failed parents (which needed more explanation as we're left them being cool, loving people). Luke (the character who symbolizes hope) has given up hope because he failed and all his students died, and the explanation of why Kylo went so dark is pretty much just "he went dark". Luke's out of character murder contemplation is only triggered by seeing how far Kylo has fallen to the dark side, so it doesn't answer the question of how this kid raised by the three nicest people in the galaxy fell to the dark side. Anakin at least had multiple traumas to draw his anger from. Kylo is just angry to the point of murdering his loving father for raisins. (Snoke has zero backstory to the point he's irrelevant. Rey whose backstory was teased as a major plot point had no planned backstory.)
What was a good idea is flipping the script, having the New Republic in power and the Empire/Neo Nazis being the rebels/terrorists. *That* was a great idea. It moved things forward, until Ryan Johnson ignored the whole bit about them being a small terrorist group and moved things back again. Exploring the issue of child soldiers had great potential for intelligent real world political commentary...only that thread gets dropped entirely.
Again, it was such a wasted opportunity to kill off Luke's students. A new, smaller, more rag tag Jedi Order has *so* much storytelling potential and would have brought a genuinely fresh element to the screen. Particularly if you want to push diversity, weirdly bad story telling choice.
also a criticism i think that’s important that i don’t ever see anywhere is that for a series called star wars there just isn’t that much war in the sequels it comes off as disney being too afraid of making a new conflict in an established series
I understand your view…but I can’t stand the Last Jedi. “Let’s tear down Luke Skywalker so we can lift up our OC.” Also I hate that Luke almost killed his nephew. It doesn’t matter if he immediately regretted it, the fact remains he did it. He sensed a growing darkness in his nephew…..and did nothing, he didn’t talk to him, he didn’t talk to his parents, he didn’t confront him, he just let it stew for months or years on end before saying “ok time to die”. That’s not Luke Skywalker, the same guy who refused to kill his father. Luke Skywalker would not say “the Jedi need to end” and all that garbage. They Assassinated his character simply to prop up Rey and to push the ship between Kylo and Rey. It is stupid and ridiculous and I have nothing but contempt for the film. That being said I can see where you’re coming from.
Keep it up bro
Thank you! I will!!
I completely agree. I also like the sequels (well, most of them. I hate the way Episode 9 explicitely tries to retcon or criticize Episode 8), and I too feel that there is a need for a bridge between the OT and the new canon. And I think it will come, eventually, just not now. Unfortunately the audience backlash after TLJ was very big and very loud, and the fact that they decided to go in completely different directions with the Mandoverse, the Bad Batch and the High Republic, to me, shows that they are (justifiably) a bit scared to touch the sequels. They need to rebuild the general audience's trust first, and then they'll be able to carefully approach the sequels again. Hopefully they can get it done, because I love Star Wars, including the sequels, and I want to see it get its well deserved high ground once more.
They shot themselves in the foot with the sequels set up. It's depressing to write about Luke's students because we know they'll all die. That's why they had Mando go back and get Grogu even though it made more sense to leave him with Luke. They realized leaving him with Luke meant dead cash cow.
It's why despite it's flaws C-canon was superior because it was less fatalistic and introduced lots of great new Jedi era. Very weird element not to bring over as it opened space for a diverse new group of Jedi.
I'd be okay with the Yuuzhan Vong and Legacy getting overwritten as they were likewise rather dark and depressing. But instead of taking a more optimistic direction, they went darker and more poorly written. *sigh* Very bad move.
it feels to me that disney really made a major error of getting of the expanded universe for there canon which there canon isn't interesting but kind of boring in my opinion.
Based on what we’ve been told already, the New Republic era was a time of peace and nothing big or important really happened. The Kylo Ren comics even imply that Luke didn’t let Ben or the other students do anything significant. Just studying, learning, some light exploration; while Luke handled the heavy stuff. I’m guessing he was trying to protect them from darkness, and doing so left them unprepared to become Jedi, meanwhile Luke became prideful and ignorant leading to his grave mistake.
It might have made sense if a young Ben had been radicalized by some Empire loyalist movement led by the populist celebrity Snoke (before his accident), and eventually Luke had to kick him and a few of his fellow Empire simp friends out for being disruptive edgelords. Then he comes back as Kylo with his friends, now calling themselves the Knights of Ren, looking for vengeance. Luke's reluctance to hurt Ben results in the deaths of a bunch of young students, and as the Knights destroy the Academy, Luke takes the surviving students and gets them to safety. A lot of the sequels' story elements could then be kept with some reworking - even Palp could have been a Force ghost manipulating Ben behind the scenes, and Rey could be just another very young student traumatized by seeing a close friend or relative murdered by Kylo and suppressing the memory. Luke returned her to her parents, who couldn't deal with her in that state, so they sell her off. Luke feels guilt for the dead children, and anger towards Ben for what he did, so he takes time to refocus himself. When Rey finds him, one of her first words to him is "Master," as she remembers her past.
I agree with a lot of this. I think you you have a great perspective and love that you are trying to be a voice of reason by looking at things from all sides. One of my biggest frustrations with Disney is their treatment of Luke Skywalker. I didn't love what they did with him story wise in the Sequels (I definitely wouldn't have chosen it,) but I feel like I understand it pretty well and can appreciate it. My issue comes with the fact that they seem completely reluctant to fill in the gaps in his story that would connect the Sequels to the original saga. I think it would have helped with fan reception if they had taken the time and effort to fill in those gaps before TFA released and then as the other movies were releasing as well. Instead, they seem to be going out of their way NOT to tell those stories. In some instances, it even seems like they are trying to replace many stories that should be Luke's with someone else (i.e. Ashoka and Ezra are taking over Luke's role in the Thrawn trilogy, and Ashoka is taking Luke's place in the Abeloth story.) It's actually something that really eats at me (definitely more than it should.) I just wish I understood why they seem to want to ignore/erase Luke.
One point of disagreement I have with you though is that I think the Prequels 100% stand on their own. The Clone Wars is freaking awesome and definitely enhances the prequel trilogy, but I don't think that the tv show was needed to rehabilitate them. Kids of the 90s and early 2000s growing up definitely contributed to their perception in pop culture, but the prequels were also just masterpieces that look even better with time (see: ua-cam.com/video/WqLv73nOUZY/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/fLw30uC92Qo/v-deo.html ). In my opinion, people who think they are bad either didn't pay enough attention to the movies, or haven't spent enough time thinking about them.
I bet that the new animated series will be in the New Republic era. I'd prefer stories focused on newer characters while building out Luke, Kylo etc in the background though. Star Wars ultimately needs to move forward.
Great vid
Thank you so much!
According to interviews, one of the seasons of The Mandalorian begins after ABY. I think season 3. Djarin and Grogu's separation is more like 1.5 years than, what seems like, mere weeks in the narrative of Book of Boba Fett.
I’m kinda hoping there are some Jedi survivors from Luke Jedi academy in Disney canon we don’t really know how Luke Jedi order operated besides vague point of view of Ben Solo in the comics because I imagine Luke first set students were adults or younger around his age and once there training finished he start with the kids. Honestly EP 7 really needed an actual Jedi Mentor to introduce the force and the Jedi to Rey and Finn because while Han Solo is a good mentor to a regular person but don’t have the intimate knowledge of the force like a Jedi. Personally I’d would have Jedi knight Anakin Solo as the mentor due to his connection to Luke Jedi Academy and being legacy child and connection to the og cast who is an actual good guy.
I do think we need more content for Luke’s Academy but nothing as long as the main comics or animated shows
1 or 2 seasons of Tales of the Jedi should be enough to get context for Ben’s childhood, joining Luke’s academy, finding new students, learning about everyone, their adventures all culminating the
Vader scandal and the fallout
Jacen's fall to the darkside and how contentious it is *still* in fandom is an interesting topic in and of itself.
Because as you even allude to here... it was not intentional at all, and the writers for legacy, had to essentially misread what the writers of NJO were trying to do with Jacen in order to justify his fall.
I'll always argue that no solo child should have fallen unless they were designed too (ben) but if I had to choose... by the end of NJO Jaina seemed way more set up to fall to the darkside. haha